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1 00:00:07,520 00:00:09,880 Kudos acquired the rights to "The Bridge". Kudos acquired the rights to "The Bridge".
2 00:00:10,040 00:00:12,120 It's a Swedish/Danish co-production. It's a Swedish/Danish co-production.
3 00:00:15,200 00:00:19,560 it's a really good example of Scandinavian thrillers, which have become so popular. it's a really good example of Scandinavian thrillers, which have become so popular.
4 00:00:19,720 00:00:22,440 It was character-driven and it was exciting. It was character-driven and it was exciting.
5 00:00:22,600 00:00:26,960 You're always terrified when you do any drama and an adaptation has plenty of challenges, You're always terrified when you do any drama and an adaptation has plenty of challenges,
6 00:00:27,120 00:00:30,800 cos you know they'll be a hardcore of people going, "It's not as good as the original. cos you know they'll be a hardcore of people going, "It's not as good as the original.
7 00:00:30,960 00:00:32,840 "Why did they remake it? "Why did they remake it?
8 00:00:33,000 00:00:36,200 You know you're gonna get that, so you've got to take that on the chin. You know you're gonna get that, so you've got to take that on the chin.
9 00:00:36,360 00:00:38,120 But the one I'm really confident about is, But the one I'm really confident about is,
10 00:00:38,280 00:00:41,600 we're not gonna suffer from not having "The Bridge" when we've got "The Tunnel". we're not gonna suffer from not having "The Bridge" when we've got "The Tunnel".
11 00:00:41,760 00:00:44,720 You know, "The Tunnel" is an extremely exciting place. You know, "The Tunnel" is an extremely exciting place.
12 00:00:46,120 00:00:50,400 Obviously because it's Britain/France not Denmark/Sweden it's a totally different context, Obviously because it's Britain/France not Denmark/Sweden it's a totally different context,
13 00:00:50,560 00:00:53,160 and the language differences are greater. and the language differences are greater.
14 00:00:53,320 00:00:56,040 Arguably the cultural differences are greater. Arguably the cultural differences are greater.
15 00:00:57,240 00:01:00,240 Saga was very iconic in the original. Saga was very iconic in the original.
16 00:01:00,640 00:01:05,720 She's so marked by her borderline...it's never named as autism, but it's strongly suggested. She's so marked by her borderline...it's never named as autism, but it's strongly suggested.
17 00:01:07,480 00:01:13,520 In our version we make a lot more of the fact that Elise is a twin. In our version we make a lot more of the fact that Elise is a twin.
18 00:01:13,680 00:01:19,000 Perhaps she was always, you know, the quiet and withdrawn and reserved one of the pairing. Perhaps she was always, you know, the quiet and withdrawn and reserved one of the pairing.
19 00:01:19,800 00:01:24,400 But that her sister's death actually exacerbated that tendency. But that her sister's death actually exacerbated that tendency.
20 00:01:25,160 00:01:28,120 And Elise is very serious and takes the world very seriously. And Elise is very serious and takes the world very seriously.
21 00:01:28,280 00:01:32,600 One of the things that I always think with the British which Elise actually says to Karl One of the things that I always think with the British which Elise actually says to Karl
22 00:01:32,760 00:01:35,840 is the British place an incredibly high emphasis on humor. is the British place an incredibly high emphasis on humor.
23 00:01:36,000 00:01:38,280 You're not really one for jokes, are you? You're not really one for jokes, are you?
24 00:01:39,000 00:01:40,680 Sometimes. Sometimes.
25 00:01:40,840 00:01:42,120 It depends if they're funny. It depends if they're funny.
26 00:01:42,280 00:01:43,560 Which is great in one sense, Which is great in one sense,
27 00:01:43,720 00:01:49,080 but can also lead to a kind of annoying facetiousness and cynicism. but can also lead to a kind of annoying facetiousness and cynicism.
28 00:01:49,240 00:01:52,280 In a way, I wanted to say that she's right sometimes. In a way, I wanted to say that she's right sometimes.
29 00:01:52,440 00:01:55,360 Cos she prioritizes other things like truth and rigor Cos she prioritizes other things like truth and rigor
30 00:01:55,520 00:02:00,320 and she actually finds some of those other more trivial things slightly sidetracking. and she actually finds some of those other more trivial things slightly sidetracking.
31 00:02:00,480 00:02:05,360 Danny? The point is to catch the person who did this to you. Where did you lose your mobile? Danny? The point is to catch the person who did this to you. Where did you lose your mobile?
32 00:02:05,520 00:02:07,640 I told you, in a bar. Which bar? I told you, in a bar. Which bar?
33 00:02:09,000 00:02:10,040 Which bar? Which bar?
34 00:02:10,200 00:02:15,000 Through her relationship with Karl she discovers Through her relationship with Karl she discovers
35 00:02:15,160 00:02:20,240 an almost different kind of sibling relationship that frees her up a little more an almost different kind of sibling relationship that frees her up a little more
36 00:02:20,400 00:02:25,320 and allows her to recover from being frozen in the grief caused by the death of her sister. and allows her to recover from being frozen in the grief caused by the death of her sister.
37 00:02:26,280 00:02:30,720 The character of Karl who in the original was Martin, The character of Karl who in the original was Martin,
38 00:02:30,880 00:02:34,480 I think has changed quite significantly. I think has changed quite significantly.
39 00:02:34,760 00:02:36,640 My dad was a die-hard Communist. My dad was a die-hard Communist.
40 00:02:36,800 00:02:40,960 He was a miner in the coalfields when there used to be coalfields around here. He was a miner in the coalfields when there used to be coalfields around here.
41 00:02:41,120 00:02:44,600 Did you join the police just to annoy him? Not consciously. Did you join the police just to annoy him? Not consciously.
42 00:02:45,360 00:02:49,760 Hi, Dad. Well, well. This is a rare treat. Hi, Dad. Well, well. This is a rare treat.
43 00:02:50,400 00:02:55,120 To look at a police officer who was the son of a politicized Kent miner, To look at a police officer who was the son of a politicized Kent miner,
44 00:02:55,280 00:02:59,000 who had gone on to university, and the tensions that produced, who had gone on to university, and the tensions that produced,
45 00:02:59,160 00:03:02,440 there was very little of that kind of back-story in the original. there was very little of that kind of back-story in the original.
46 00:03:02,600 00:03:05,280 He's deeply proud of his origins. He's deeply proud of his origins.
47 00:03:05,440 00:03:11,120 And he's incredibly intolerant of people who don't understand them And he's incredibly intolerant of people who don't understand them
48 00:03:11,280 00:03:14,480 or who he thinks, particularly Danny Hillier the journalist, or who he thinks, particularly Danny Hillier the journalist,
49 00:03:14,640 00:03:18,000 cheapen and traduce that tradition that he comes from. cheapen and traduce that tradition that he comes from.
50 00:03:18,920 00:03:22,840 Is she there? Your sister? Is she there? Your sister?
51 00:03:24,960 00:03:27,000 He can understand Elise. He can understand Elise.
52 00:03:27,160 00:03:29,520 And he has a sympathy for people who are different, And he has a sympathy for people who are different,
53 00:03:29,680 00:03:31,560 or people who don't necessarily fit. or people who don't necessarily fit.
54 00:03:31,720 00:03:34,960 And that's one of the reasons why they click as effectively as they do. And that's one of the reasons why they click as effectively as they do.
55 00:03:35,120 00:03:37,040 And as they definitely do in "The Bridge" as well. And as they definitely do in "The Bridge" as well.
56 00:03:37,200 00:03:39,720 But he has weaknesses like all human beings do. But he has weaknesses like all human beings do.
57 00:03:39,880 00:03:42,000 One of his weaknesses is vulnerable women. One of his weaknesses is vulnerable women.
58 00:03:42,160 00:03:45,360 And it brings a sort of catastrophe on his family life. And it brings a sort of catastrophe on his family life.
59 00:03:45,520 00:03:48,640 Cos he's not a very good liar either really. He can't be bothered. Cos he's not a very good liar either really. He can't be bothered.
60 00:03:49,080 00:03:51,080 Did you sleep with her? Did you sleep with her?
61 00:03:51,720 00:03:53,600 God. God.
62 00:03:53,760 00:03:58,600 Essentially the story's very simple and that, for me, is the art of good thriller writing. Essentially the story's very simple and that, for me, is the art of good thriller writing.
63 00:03:58,760 00:04:02,480 A man who, we don't know who he is, A man who, we don't know who he is,
64 00:04:02,640 00:04:09,400 has suddenly opened this amazing overture of crime to put these bodies in "The Tunnel". has suddenly opened this amazing overture of crime to put these bodies in "The Tunnel".
65 00:04:09,920 00:04:13,680 And is clearly making some kind of statement, but they don't know what it is. And is clearly making some kind of statement, but they don't know what it is.
66 00:04:13,840 00:04:18,880 And he then proceeds to reveal what he calls five truths. And he then proceeds to reveal what he calls five truths.
67 00:04:19,040 00:04:24,840 So each time he chooses a different social or political target group, So each time he chooses a different social or political target group,
68 00:04:25,000 00:04:29,440 and uses them to illustrate something that he feels about society. and uses them to illustrate something that he feels about society.
69 00:04:33,680 00:04:36,080 We wanted to change a few of them, to spice things up a bit, We wanted to change a few of them, to spice things up a bit,
70 00:04:36,240 00:04:38,680 make it different for an audience who'd seen "The Bridge". make it different for an audience who'd seen "The Bridge".
71 00:04:38,840 00:04:42,360 And also because there were issues that for us that felt more relevant to Europe. And also because there were issues that for us that felt more relevant to Europe.
72 00:04:42,800 00:04:46,520 Look, she comes apart like the Eurozone. Look, she comes apart like the Eurozone.
73 00:04:47,160 00:04:49,960 The first truth is inequality before the law. The first truth is inequality before the law.
74 00:04:50,560 00:04:53,040 The second truth is an attack on the elderly. The second truth is an attack on the elderly.
75 00:04:54,080 00:04:57,840 Often the paradox of this is he becomes a slight folk hero along the way. Often the paradox of this is he becomes a slight folk hero along the way.
76 00:04:58,240 00:05:01,440 “2 In France pensioners make up a third of all suicides. “2 In France pensioners make up a third of all suicides.
77 00:05:02,160 00:05:04,880 And one quarter experience regular abuse. And one quarter experience regular abuse.
78 00:05:05,360 00:05:09,120 He starts to kill the elderly, but he then turns round and says “Why are you moaning? He starts to kill the elderly, but he then turns round and says “Why are you moaning?
79 00:05:09,280 00:05:11,240 You let them freeze to death in their houses, You let them freeze to death in their houses,
80 00:05:11,400 00:05:14,400 and the same number of people have frozen to death in their house and the same number of people have frozen to death in their house
81 00:05:14,560 00:05:17,480 while I've been carrying this out and yet you do nothing about it". while I've been carrying this out and yet you do nothing about it".
82 00:05:17,640 00:05:22,040 So he's constantly challenging, and that's what makes him, for me, an interesting serial killer. So he's constantly challenging, and that's what makes him, for me, an interesting serial killer.
83 00:05:22,720 00:05:26,160 The third truth is cuts to mental health. The third truth is cuts to mental health.
84 00:05:27,120 00:05:28,640 How the mentally ill are treated. How the mentally ill are treated.
85 00:05:28,800 00:05:33,040 The use of medication to try and control people, and their behavior, The use of medication to try and control people, and their behavior,
86 00:05:33,200 00:05:38,160 rather than treat the causes and symptoms of the mental health crisis that's growing worse. rather than treat the causes and symptoms of the mental health crisis that's growing worse.
87 00:05:38,320 00:05:41,320 Another truth is about the youth of today. Another truth is about the youth of today.
88 00:05:41,480 00:05:44,680 This was very much one I was interested in after the English riots. This was very much one I was interested in after the English riots.
89 00:05:44,960 00:05:47,600 We basically want to ignore their presence, We basically want to ignore their presence,
90 00:05:47,760 00:05:52,080 expect them to put up with a pile of shit that we've delivered as a society expect them to put up with a pile of shit that we've delivered as a society
91 00:05:52,240 00:05:56,560 and then act incredulous and bemused when they riot and burn stuff down. and then act incredulous and bemused when they riot and burn stuff down.
92 00:05:56,720 00:06:00,360 And then throw them in prison for long periods of time to make them invisible again, And then throw them in prison for long periods of time to make them invisible again,
93 00:06:00,520 00:06:02,360 and that's his big campaign on that one. and that's his big campaign on that one.
94 00:06:02,520 00:06:04,440 He's making the invisible visible. He's making the invisible visible.
95 00:06:04,600 00:06:08,760 He's showing us sides of our society that we generally don't want to see. He's showing us sides of our society that we generally don't want to see.
96 00:06:08,920 00:06:11,000 He also looks at the other side of the coin, He also looks at the other side of the coin,
97 00:06:11,160 00:06:13,760 the relationship between young people and the police. the relationship between young people and the police.
98 00:06:13,920 00:06:18,160 So he also attacks a police officer who's been involved in the death of a young man So he also attacks a police officer who's been involved in the death of a young man
99 00:06:18,320 00:06:20,320 in a French estate. in a French estate.
100 00:06:23,240 00:06:25,720 That's one of my favorite truths, actually. That's one of my favorite truths, actually.
101 00:06:25,880 00:06:28,320 The last one is about children. The last one is about children.
102 00:06:28,720 00:06:34,800 And about the way in which we sentimentalize children, as long as they're either ours or like us. And about the way in which we sentimentalize children, as long as they're either ours or like us.
103 00:06:34,960 00:06:40,200 But really don't pay too much attention to their exploitation and deaths. But really don't pay too much attention to their exploitation and deaths.
104 00:06:40,360 00:06:46,560 So he delivers a particularly vicious truth at the end on the subject of children. So he delivers a particularly vicious truth at the end on the subject of children.
105 00:06:47,080 00:06:49,520 This is for you. Hands in the fucking air! This is for you. Hands in the fucking air!
106 00:06:49,680 00:06:53,120 It then gets personal and there's a kind of bonus truth, It then gets personal and there's a kind of bonus truth,
107 00:06:53,280 00:06:56,960 and he's coming after, in particular, Karl and his family. and he's coming after, in particular, Karl and his family.
108 00:06:57,120 00:06:59,640 Oh! Oh, there you are. Oh! Oh, there you are.
109 00:06:59,800 00:07:01,000 Oh, my babies. Oh, my babies.
110 00:07:01,160 00:07:03,280 I think here we're making a significant difference. I think here we're making a significant difference.
111 00:07:03,440 00:07:08,800 In "The Bridge" it was all a smoke screen for him to go after the character of Martin. In "The Bridge" it was all a smoke screen for him to go after the character of Martin.
112 00:07:10,000 00:07:11,200 I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that.
113 00:07:11,360 00:07:14,520 I wanted it to say he does have a personal grudge against Karl, I wanted it to say he does have a personal grudge against Karl,
114 00:07:14,680 00:07:19,840 but all the things that he'd done before his five truths were properly held by him as beliefs. but all the things that he'd done before his five truths were properly held by him as beliefs.
115 00:07:20,000 00:07:22,200 He really is the Truth Terrorist. He really is the Truth Terrorist.
116 00:07:22,360 00:07:25,920 We gave him a very different back-story, how he arrived where he did. We gave him a very different back-story, how he arrived where he did.
117 00:07:26,080 00:07:31,480 And also brought in a shady, covert inter-Europe spy operation And also brought in a shady, covert inter-Europe spy operation
118 00:07:31,640 00:07:33,040 which was nicknamed Peloton. which was nicknamed Peloton.
119 00:07:38,200 00:07:40,040 It was around the time of the Olympics. It was around the time of the Olympics.
120 00:07:40,200 00:07:42,680 80 I was looking for handy words. 80 I was looking for handy words.
121 00:07:43,400 00:07:45,800 During the Cold War there was such operations During the Cold War there was such operations
122 00:07:45,960 00:07:50,160 to cope with the potential fallout of social and economic crisis in Europe. to cope with the potential fallout of social and economic crisis in Europe.
123 00:07:50,320 00:07:54,200 And when we started this the financial crisis was really raging fully. And when we started this the financial crisis was really raging fully.
124 00:07:54,360 00:07:59,800 And it didn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing or an unreasonable suggestion, at least, And it didn't seem to me to be an unreasonable thing or an unreasonable suggestion, at least,
125 00:07:59,960 00:08:02,000 that there would be some covert planning. that there would be some covert planning.
126 00:08:02,160 00:08:04,560 What happens if the cash machines stop giving out money? What happens if the cash machines stop giving out money?
127 00:08:04,720 00:08:08,280 What happens if a country defaults? What happens if the Euro collapses? What happens if a country defaults? What happens if the Euro collapses?
128 00:08:08,440 00:08:11,240 And I've always been interested, from my time on Spooks onwards And I've always been interested, from my time on Spooks onwards
129 00:08:11,400 00:08:14,920 of covert operations that go rogue or go maverick of covert operations that go rogue or go maverick
130 00:08:15,080 00:08:17,640 or whether operatives involved develop their own agendas, or whether operatives involved develop their own agendas,
131 00:08:17,800 00:08:20,680 that take them way outside their original remit. that take them way outside their original remit.
132 00:08:20,880 00:08:22,760 He's known all along. He's known all along.
133 00:08:22,920 00:08:25,640 His final truth, his bonus truth, so to speak, His final truth, his bonus truth, so to speak,
134 00:08:25,800 00:08:28,440 is that Karl has betrayed him... is that Karl has betrayed him...
135 00:08:29,400 00:08:31,040 on a personal level. on a personal level.
136 00:08:31,200 00:08:33,240 I was looking after him on an undercover operation, I was looking after him on an undercover operation,
137 00:08:33,400 00:08:35,280 er...investigating human trafficking. er...investigating human trafficking.
138 00:08:35,440 00:08:37,040 Karl. Anyway... Karl. Anyway...
139 00:08:37,200 00:08:38,840 I slept with his wife. I slept with his wife.
140 00:08:39,240 00:08:41,680 Er...when they were still married. Er...when they were still married.
141 00:08:41,840 00:08:45,000 And his final truth is "trust nobody". And his final truth is "trust nobody".
142 00:08:48,080 00:08:51,200 Kari and his son have a very fraught and difficult relationship. Kari and his son have a very fraught and difficult relationship.
143 00:08:51,360 00:08:56,280 And what he does rather brilliantly, is he organizes a kind of reconciliation, And what he does rather brilliantly, is he organizes a kind of reconciliation,
144 00:08:56,440 00:09:00,160 between them online, by posing as somebody else. between them online, by posing as somebody else.
145 00:09:00,880 00:09:04,120 He's gives the son advice to effect a reconciliation, He's gives the son advice to effect a reconciliation,
146 00:09:04,280 00:09:08,480 only to make the pain of separating them again even more acute for Karl. only to make the pain of separating them again even more acute for Karl.
147 00:09:09,120 00:09:11,400 You didn't make me love my dad again. You didn't make me love my dad again.
148 00:09:13,800 00:09:15,800 I always loved him. I always loved him.
149 00:09:16,560 00:09:20,360 And it all comes to a final denouement at the entrance to "The Tunnel"... And it all comes to a final denouement at the entrance to "The Tunnel"...
150 00:09:21,360 00:09:24,480 in what I think is the best moment of "The Bridge" in the original, in what I think is the best moment of "The Bridge" in the original,
151 00:09:24,640 00:09:29,080 when Saga can't lie to him because it's all about the truth in the end. when Saga can't lie to him because it's all about the truth in the end.
152 00:09:29,320 00:09:32,320 And we've really preserved that moment because it's so good. And we've really preserved that moment because it's so good.
153 00:09:32,480 00:09:34,480 Is my son alive, Elise? Is my son alive, Elise?
154 00:09:36,160 00:09:38,920 For me, I wanted to make much more of that moral moment. For me, I wanted to make much more of that moral moment.
155 00:09:39,080 00:09:43,560 We all fantasize about, I think, about hurting the people who hurt our children. We all fantasize about, I think, about hurting the people who hurt our children.
156 00:09:44,160 00:09:47,880 And that is something that I find really interesting. And that is something that I find really interesting.
157 00:09:48,040 00:09:52,880 Whether or not people do it, and whether it is a commendable thing. Whether or not people do it, and whether it is a commendable thing.
158 00:09:53,040 00:09:55,280 Don't shoot. Will you fucking...get back! Don't shoot. Will you fucking...get back!
159 00:09:55,440 00:09:57,360 Step away! They'll shoot you. Step away! They'll shoot you.
160 00:09:57,520 00:09:59,000 On your fucking knees. On your fucking knees.
161 00:09:59,160 00:10:03,680 Or whether as a civilized society we should prevent people from doing it. Or whether as a civilized society we should prevent people from doing it.
162 00:10:03,840 00:10:08,400 And exercising personal revenge is, for me, the moral heart of the show, or should be. And exercising personal revenge is, for me, the moral heart of the show, or should be.
163 00:10:09,080 00:10:12,920 Because, after all, if Karl even under the most extreme provocation Because, after all, if Karl even under the most extreme provocation
164 00:10:13,080 00:10:18,520 with a man basically goading him and taunting him that he's killed his son with a man basically goading him and taunting him that he's killed his son
165 00:10:18,680 00:10:22,640 takes personal revenge on him in that moment by shooting him, takes personal revenge on him in that moment by shooting him,
166 00:10:22,800 00:10:27,320 which I think a small part of us would all be cheering for him, hoping he would do... which I think a small part of us would all be cheering for him, hoping he would do...
167 00:10:27,480 00:10:29,480 Argh! Argh! Argh! Argh!
168 00:10:32,400 00:10:38,800 And in some way he's achieved a victory over us. And in some way he's achieved a victory over us.
168 00:10:32,400 00:10:38,800 And in some way he's achieved a victory over us. And in some way he's achieved a victory over us.