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2 00:00:16,228 00:00:18,937 Newscaster 1: New and frightening warning from the FBI Newscaster 1: New and frightening warning from the FBI
3 00:00:19,019 00:00:21,103 on hackers using malicious software on hackers using malicious software
4 00:00:21,186 00:00:23,895 to launch a cyber attack against US businesses. to launch a cyber attack against US businesses.
5 00:00:23,978 00:00:26,770 Newscaster 2: In some ways, it's a whole new way of making warfare, Newscaster 2: In some ways, it's a whole new way of making warfare,
6 00:00:26,853 00:00:28,895 and I don't think that that overstates it one bit. and I don't think that that overstates it one bit.
7 00:00:28,978 00:00:31,186 Mohammad javad zarif: There is a cyber war going on. Mohammad javad zarif: There is a cyber war going on.
8 00:00:31,269 00:00:33,853 The United States started that cyber war. The United States started that cyber war.
9 00:00:33,937 00:00:35,353 Newscaster 3: The first cyber weapon Newscaster 3: The first cyber weapon
10 00:00:35,436 00:00:38,019 to threaten to damage targets in the real world. to threaten to damage targets in the real world.
11 00:00:38,103 00:00:41,728 Newscaster 4: Hackers in places like China, North Korea, Iran, elsewhere, Newscaster 4: Hackers in places like China, North Korea, Iran, elsewhere,
12 00:00:41,812 00:00:45,978 are exhibiting the capability to hit the power grid. are exhibiting the capability to hit the power grid.
13 00:00:46,061 00:00:48,019 Newscaster 5: Chinese state-backed hackers Newscaster 5: Chinese state-backed hackers
14 00:00:48,103 00:00:50,770 have been mobilized with one target in mind: have been mobilized with one target in mind:
15 00:00:50,853 00:00:54,812 Anything to do with covid-19 related research. Anything to do with covid-19 related research.
16 00:00:54,895 00:00:58,436 Mark Warner: Many of the threats in the 21st century will be in cyber: Mark Warner: Many of the threats in the 21st century will be in cyber:
17 00:00:58,520 00:01:00,019 Misinformation, disinformation. Misinformation, disinformation.
18 00:01:00,103 00:01:01,978 Newscaster 6: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter. Newscaster 6: YouTube, Facebook, Twitter.
19 00:01:02,061 00:01:03,603 Whatsapp? Instagram? Whatsapp? Instagram?
20 00:01:03,687 00:01:06,770 We are human species. We can be hacked. We are human species. We can be hacked.
21 00:01:06,853 00:01:09,395 Newscaster 7: Russian government hackers Newscaster 7: Russian government hackers
22 00:01:09,478 00:01:11,561 have breached the network of the dnc. have breached the network of the dnc.
23 00:01:11,645 00:01:13,228 I don't think anybody knows it was Russia. I don't think anybody knows it was Russia.
24 00:01:13,311 00:01:14,853 Newscaster 8: Russia, China, and other countries Newscaster 8: Russia, China, and other countries
25 00:01:14,937 00:01:17,061 are collecting stolen information from hackers. are collecting stolen information from hackers.
26 00:01:17,144 00:01:18,395 Michael Rogers: Today we face threats Michael Rogers: Today we face threats
27 00:01:18,478 00:01:20,144 that have increased in sophistication, that have increased in sophistication,
28 00:01:20,228 00:01:23,228 magnitude, intensity, volume, and velocity. magnitude, intensity, volume, and velocity.
29 00:01:23,311 00:01:25,395 What about the confidence in the vote? What about the confidence in the vote?
30 00:01:25,478 00:01:27,395 Andrea Mitchell: Especially against the backdrop Andrea Mitchell: Especially against the backdrop
31 00:01:27,478 00:01:29,687 of the Russian interference in 2016. of the Russian interference in 2016.
32 00:01:29,770 00:01:32,061 Joe biden: They're involved going after me on Facebook. Joe biden: They're involved going after me on Facebook.
33 00:01:32,144 00:01:33,436 Because putin knows me, Because putin knows me,
34 00:01:33,520 00:01:35,311 and I know him, and he doesn't want me to be president. and I know him, and he doesn't want me to be president.
35 00:01:35,395 00:01:37,311 Newscaster 9: President Trump claimed without evidence, Newscaster 9: President Trump claimed without evidence,
36 00:01:37,395 00:01:41,019 quote, "rigged 2020 election will be the scandal of our times." quote, "rigged 2020 election will be the scandal of our times."
37 00:01:41,103 00:01:44,103 Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election? Are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election?
38 00:01:44,186 00:01:45,353 I have to see. I have to see.
39 00:02:02,895 00:02:04,353 Announcer: Madam speaker, Announcer: Madam speaker,
40 00:02:04,436 00:02:07,228 the president of the United States. the president of the United States.
41 00:02:07,311 00:02:10,353 (Cheering and applause) (Cheering and applause)
42 00:02:17,019 00:02:19,436 David sanger: At the end of the bush administration, David sanger: At the end of the bush administration,
43 00:02:19,520 00:02:22,311 president bush decided he had to stop president bush decided he had to stop
44 00:02:22,395 00:02:24,103 the Iranian nuclear program. the Iranian nuclear program.
45 00:02:24,186 00:02:26,937 The United Nations has imposed sanctions on Iran, The United Nations has imposed sanctions on Iran,
46 00:02:27,019 00:02:30,478 and made it clear that the world will not allow the regime in Tehran and made it clear that the world will not allow the regime in Tehran
47 00:02:30,561 00:02:32,144 to acquire nuclear weapons. to acquire nuclear weapons.
48 00:02:32,228 00:02:34,144 (Applause) (Applause)
49 00:02:34,228 00:02:35,853 But he had a problem. But he had a problem.
50 00:02:37,353 00:02:39,436 Colin Powell: My second purpose today is to share with you Colin Powell: My second purpose today is to share with you
51 00:02:39,520 00:02:43,853 what the United States knows about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction... what the United States knows about Iraq's weapons of mass destruction...
52 00:02:43,937 00:02:45,812 We had just gone to a war in Iraq We had just gone to a war in Iraq
53 00:02:45,895 00:02:49,019 on the false pretense that Iraq had a nuclear weapon. on the false pretense that Iraq had a nuclear weapon.
54 00:02:50,395 00:02:52,186 So there was no way he was going to be able to So there was no way he was going to be able to
55 00:02:52,269 00:02:54,019 publicly convince the world publicly convince the world
56 00:02:54,103 00:02:58,978 to get into a conflict with Iran over its nuclear program. to get into a conflict with Iran over its nuclear program.
57 00:02:59,061 00:03:02,645 One day, a group of intelligence officials One day, a group of intelligence officials
58 00:03:02,728 00:03:04,895 and military officers and military officers
59 00:03:04,978 00:03:08,228 came to the president and said, "sir, we have another way." came to the president and said, "sir, we have another way."
60 00:03:09,937 00:03:14,478 They told bush that a joint Israeli-American cyber team They told bush that a joint Israeli-American cyber team
61 00:03:14,561 00:03:16,228 had designed some code had designed some code
62 00:03:16,311 00:03:21,061 that could get into the Iranian nuclear control system. that could get into the Iranian nuclear control system.
63 00:03:21,144 00:03:26,687 Until then, countries were using cyber to steal data. Until then, countries were using cyber to steal data.
64 00:03:26,770 00:03:28,895 To spy on each other. To spy on each other.
65 00:03:30,186 00:03:34,645 But almost no one had used cyber as an offensive weapon. But almost no one had used cyber as an offensive weapon.
66 00:03:37,228 00:03:41,269 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
67 00:03:44,311 00:03:45,812 John hultquist: The plan was John hultquist: The plan was
68 00:03:45,895 00:03:48,186 a piece of malware would be delivered a piece of malware would be delivered
69 00:03:48,269 00:03:50,728 into the industrial control systems into the industrial control systems
70 00:03:50,812 00:03:53,603 running the Iranian nuclear program. running the Iranian nuclear program.
71 00:03:55,228 00:03:57,061 Michael Riley: This network was air gapped. Michael Riley: This network was air gapped.
72 00:03:57,144 00:03:59,561 In other words, it's not connected to the Internet. In other words, it's not connected to the Internet.
73 00:03:59,645 00:04:03,812 So you had to have ways in which the code could jump onto those computers. So you had to have ways in which the code could jump onto those computers.
74 00:04:09,103 00:04:13,520 Sanger: There's still some mystery about exactly how this code Sanger: There's still some mystery about exactly how this code
75 00:04:13,603 00:04:16,728 made it from the NSA and the Israeli cyber unit made it from the NSA and the Israeli cyber unit
76 00:04:16,812 00:04:18,978 into the natanz plant. into the natanz plant.
77 00:04:21,103 00:04:22,561 There are many ways, There are many ways,
78 00:04:22,645 00:04:25,436 including slipping in a USB key. including slipping in a USB key.
79 00:04:26,937 00:04:28,436 But we also now know But we also now know
80 00:04:28,520 00:04:32,019 that the NSA had designed a brilliant small system, that the NSA had designed a brilliant small system,
81 00:04:32,103 00:04:34,103 about the size of a briefcase, about the size of a briefcase,
82 00:04:34,186 00:04:37,061 that could work from six or seven miles away, that could work from six or seven miles away,
83 00:04:37,144 00:04:40,061 beaming computer code into a computer beaming computer code into a computer
84 00:04:40,144 00:04:43,353 that had been set up with a receiver chip. that had been set up with a receiver chip.
85 00:04:43,436 00:04:47,269 And that device could be used And that device could be used
86 00:04:47,353 00:04:49,103 not only to put code in, not only to put code in,
87 00:04:49,186 00:04:51,687 but later to replace it and update it. but later to replace it and update it.
88 00:04:53,353 00:04:55,228 Hultquist: Once they got in, Hultquist: Once they got in,
89 00:04:55,311 00:04:58,269 the code started unlocking itself, the code started unlocking itself,
90 00:04:58,353 00:05:01,520 and it started two major tasks. and it started two major tasks.
91 00:05:01,603 00:05:04,311 The first one was to record The first one was to record
92 00:05:04,395 00:05:07,353 everything that the operator would be saying, everything that the operator would be saying,
93 00:05:07,436 00:05:09,436 and essentially, put that on a loop. and essentially, put that on a loop.
94 00:05:09,520 00:05:12,436 So that every day, when the operator came in to work, So that every day, when the operator came in to work,
95 00:05:12,520 00:05:15,061 everything would look just fine. everything would look just fine.
96 00:05:16,770 00:05:18,895 It's sort of like a classic heist movie It's sort of like a classic heist movie
97 00:05:18,978 00:05:21,269 where the surveillance video is run on a loop, where the surveillance video is run on a loop,
98 00:05:21,353 00:05:23,478 and the guard never knows what's actually going on. and the guard never knows what's actually going on.
99 00:05:23,561 00:05:27,520 While at the same time, somebody's breaking in and stealing something. While at the same time, somebody's breaking in and stealing something.
100 00:05:30,728 00:05:32,645 The Iranians were thinking the whole time The Iranians were thinking the whole time
101 00:05:32,728 00:05:34,019 that they're making progress. that they're making progress.
102 00:05:34,103 00:05:36,103 That they're moving towards their goal, That they're moving towards their goal,
103 00:05:36,186 00:05:39,728 when in fact, these systems are deadlined. when in fact, these systems are deadlined.
104 00:05:39,812 00:05:42,103 Because the second task for the code Because the second task for the code
105 00:05:42,186 00:05:45,561 was to take the centrifuges and break them. was to take the centrifuges and break them.
106 00:05:47,019 00:05:48,520 This code was so ingenious This code was so ingenious
107 00:05:48,603 00:05:50,812 that not only did it have this sort of fake video, that not only did it have this sort of fake video,
108 00:05:50,895 00:05:52,645 pay no attention to what's going on here, pay no attention to what's going on here,
109 00:05:52,728 00:05:54,395 it would lie in wait. it would lie in wait.
110 00:05:54,478 00:05:56,061 And so days would go by, And so days would go by,
111 00:05:56,144 00:05:59,269 where the centrifuges were spinning exactly as they were supposed to. where the centrifuges were spinning exactly as they were supposed to.
112 00:05:59,353 00:06:01,853 And then all of a sudden, they'd speed up really fast. And then all of a sudden, they'd speed up really fast.
113 00:06:01,937 00:06:03,269 And then when you'd turn to look, And then when you'd turn to look,
114 00:06:03,353 00:06:05,186 they would slow down to the regular speed. they would slow down to the regular speed.
115 00:06:05,269 00:06:06,770 And eventually what happens when you do this And eventually what happens when you do this
116 00:06:06,853 00:06:08,269 to these finely tuned machines, to these finely tuned machines,
117 00:06:08,353 00:06:10,144 is that they break themselves apart. is that they break themselves apart.
118 00:06:15,353 00:06:18,520 Sanger: When President Obama had that traditional meeting Sanger: When President Obama had that traditional meeting
119 00:06:18,603 00:06:21,395 with his predecessor, George Bush, with his predecessor, George Bush,
120 00:06:21,478 00:06:24,019 bush told him that there were two programs bush told him that there were two programs
121 00:06:24,103 00:06:27,228 he had to make sure that he preserved. he had to make sure that he preserved.
122 00:06:27,311 00:06:28,937 One of them was the drone program. One of them was the drone program.
123 00:06:30,269 00:06:33,019 The second program was "olympic games," The second program was "olympic games,"
124 00:06:33,103 00:06:36,687 the code name for the program against Iran. the code name for the program against Iran.
125 00:06:36,770 00:06:40,144 Suddenly, in his first months in office, Suddenly, in his first months in office,
126 00:06:40,228 00:06:43,144 President Obama finds himself in the situation room, President Obama finds himself in the situation room,
127 00:06:43,228 00:06:46,144 picking out centrifuges to attack. picking out centrifuges to attack.
128 00:06:48,812 00:06:52,520 For a while, the Iranians had no idea what was going on. For a while, the Iranians had no idea what was going on.
129 00:06:52,603 00:06:55,728 They didn't know if they had made engineering errors, They didn't know if they had made engineering errors,
130 00:06:55,812 00:06:57,561 whether they had bad parts. whether they had bad parts.
131 00:06:57,645 00:07:00,395 They suspected sabotage, but couldn't prove it. They suspected sabotage, but couldn't prove it.
132 00:07:00,478 00:07:03,937 Until one day, when the code got out. Until one day, when the code got out.
133 00:07:04,019 00:07:07,103 Riley: This code is only supposed to go into one facility, Riley: This code is only supposed to go into one facility,
134 00:07:07,186 00:07:10,061 and it was never supposed to be known to the rest of the world. and it was never supposed to be known to the rest of the world.
135 00:07:10,144 00:07:12,103 Instead, it escapes the box. Instead, it escapes the box.
136 00:07:12,186 00:07:15,269 It gets out of that facility and begins to spread around the world. It gets out of that facility and begins to spread around the world.
137 00:07:15,353 00:07:17,144 Newscaster 1: These are the letters and numbers Newscaster 1: These are the letters and numbers
138 00:07:17,228 00:07:19,061 behind the so-called stuxnet virus. behind the so-called stuxnet virus.
139 00:07:19,144 00:07:21,436 Newscaster 2: It begins with a simple USB key. Newscaster 2: It begins with a simple USB key.
140 00:07:21,520 00:07:23,103 Then with surgical precision, Then with surgical precision,
141 00:07:23,186 00:07:26,603 penetrates some of the world's most advanced computer security. penetrates some of the world's most advanced computer security.
142 00:07:26,687 00:07:29,019 Newscaster 3: Its creators hid their tracks so well, Newscaster 3: Its creators hid their tracks so well,
143 00:07:29,103 00:07:33,061 experts say we will likely never know who created it. experts say we will likely never know who created it.
144 00:07:33,144 00:07:35,061 Sanger: As we began to hear about Sanger: As we began to hear about
145 00:07:35,144 00:07:38,395 this incredibly sophisticated piece of code this incredibly sophisticated piece of code
146 00:07:38,478 00:07:40,937 that the industry was calling stuxnet, that the industry was calling stuxnet,
147 00:07:41,019 00:07:43,770 I began to reconstruct the story I began to reconstruct the story
148 00:07:43,853 00:07:47,395 of who authorized this code to be written. of who authorized this code to be written.
149 00:07:54,144 00:07:55,645 Riley: Neither Israel nor the US Riley: Neither Israel nor the US
150 00:07:55,728 00:07:58,478 had publicly admitted that this was designed by them. had publicly admitted that this was designed by them.
151 00:07:58,561 00:08:01,561 John maggio: You did that without at all mentioning stuxnet or olympic games. John maggio: You did that without at all mentioning stuxnet or olympic games.
152 00:08:01,645 00:08:02,978 That was, that was impressive. That was, that was impressive.
153 00:08:03,061 00:08:04,812 I never heard of those. I never heard of those.
154 00:08:04,895 00:08:06,478 Chris durrance: Can you talk about stuxnet? Chris durrance: Can you talk about stuxnet?
155 00:08:06,561 00:08:09,478 -No: -Durrance: It's years ago. That-- one thing that-- -No: -Durrance: It's years ago. That-- one thing that--
156 00:08:09,561 00:08:11,687 I don't want to talk about it, okay? I don't want to talk about it, okay?
157 00:08:11,770 00:08:13,269 Durrance: It's just that, it's a mystery. Durrance: It's just that, it's a mystery.
158 00:08:13,353 00:08:15,478 I don't want to talk about it. I don't want to talk about it.
159 00:08:15,561 00:08:18,728 Let me know if I'm not-- if I'm being too subtle, okay? Let me know if I'm not-- if I'm being too subtle, okay?
160 00:08:21,353 00:08:26,144 Newscaster: This is the first worm designed to damage the physical world. Newscaster: This is the first worm designed to damage the physical world.
161 00:08:26,228 00:08:29,311 Newscaster 2: It's a new dimension in sabotage and warfare. Newscaster 2: It's a new dimension in sabotage and warfare.
162 00:08:29,395 00:08:31,978 The implications and the possible consequences The implications and the possible consequences
163 00:08:32,061 00:08:34,937 are only now coming to light. are only now coming to light.
164 00:08:35,019 00:08:37,812 Amy zegart: The stuxnet attack on Iran Amy zegart: The stuxnet attack on Iran
165 00:08:37,895 00:08:41,019 was the first time a major state was the first time a major state
166 00:08:41,103 00:08:43,561 used a powerful cyber weapon used a powerful cyber weapon
167 00:08:43,645 00:08:45,478 in a very aggressive way. in a very aggressive way.
168 00:08:46,812 00:08:48,853 Riley: People knew that the US government Riley: People knew that the US government
169 00:08:48,937 00:08:50,311 had been developing tools had been developing tools
170 00:08:50,395 00:08:52,687 that can manipulate computer systems that can manipulate computer systems
171 00:08:52,770 00:08:56,019 to create effects in the real world. to create effects in the real world.
172 00:08:56,103 00:08:59,937 Stuxnet was the first big example of that happening. Stuxnet was the first big example of that happening.
173 00:09:00,019 00:09:02,103 Here's what it looks like, here's how sophisticated it is, Here's what it looks like, here's how sophisticated it is,
174 00:09:02,186 00:09:03,436 and here's what it can do. and here's what it can do.
175 00:09:05,269 00:09:06,520 You take that same principle, You take that same principle,
176 00:09:06,603 00:09:08,687 you could shut down an airport with a similar tool. you could shut down an airport with a similar tool.
177 00:09:08,770 00:09:11,144 You could shut down an electrical grid with a similar tool. You could shut down an electrical grid with a similar tool.
178 00:09:11,228 00:09:14,353 You could shut down a gas pipeline with a similar tool. You could shut down a gas pipeline with a similar tool.
179 00:09:14,436 00:09:16,978 So these things that were speculative So these things that were speculative
180 00:09:17,061 00:09:18,353 suddenly become real. suddenly become real.
181 00:09:18,436 00:09:21,269 The question is, if you're the first mover there, The question is, if you're the first mover there,
182 00:09:21,353 00:09:24,061 have you now said, "that's fair game for everybody." have you now said, "that's fair game for everybody."
183 00:09:24,144 00:09:25,561 They've crossed the rubicon. They've crossed the rubicon.
184 00:09:25,645 00:09:29,269 The United States had basically legitimized The United States had basically legitimized
185 00:09:29,353 00:09:30,687 the use of cyber the use of cyber
186 00:09:30,770 00:09:33,061 as a weapon against another country as a weapon against another country
187 00:09:33,144 00:09:35,728 against whom you had not declared war. against whom you had not declared war.
188 00:09:35,812 00:09:39,353 It pushed the world into an entirely new territory. It pushed the world into an entirely new territory.
189 00:09:39,436 00:09:42,436 (President ahmadinejad speaking) (President ahmadinejad speaking)
190 00:09:49,395 00:09:51,436 Jason healey: Once the Iranians took the punch, Jason healey: Once the Iranians took the punch,
191 00:09:51,520 00:09:54,770 Iran said, "oh, that's the way the game is played. Iran said, "oh, that's the way the game is played.
192 00:09:54,853 00:09:56,353 All right, I get this now." All right, I get this now."
193 00:09:56,436 00:09:58,395 And then they started to unleash And then they started to unleash
194 00:09:58,478 00:09:59,812 against the United States. against the United States.
195 00:09:59,895 00:10:02,687 ("Viva Las Vegas" by Elvis Presley playing) ("Viva Las Vegas" by Elvis Presley playing)
196 00:10:02,770 00:10:05,937 ♪ Gonna set my soul on fire ♪ ♪ Gonna set my soul on fire ♪
197 00:10:06,019 00:10:09,269 ♪ got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn ♪ ♪ got a whole lot of money that's ready to burn ♪
198 00:10:09,353 00:10:12,645 ♪ so get those stakes up higher ♪ ♪ so get those stakes up higher ♪
199 00:10:13,269 00:10:15,728 ♪ viva Las Vegas ♪ ♪ viva Las Vegas ♪
200 00:10:16,645 00:10:19,228 ♪ viva Las Vegas ♪ ♪ viva Las Vegas ♪
201 00:10:20,687 00:10:24,228 Riley: In 2013, it's clear that Iran is still working towards Riley: In 2013, it's clear that Iran is still working towards
202 00:10:24,311 00:10:26,395 a nuclear weapon. a nuclear weapon.
203 00:10:26,478 00:10:28,353 And the Obama administration in the US And the Obama administration in the US
204 00:10:28,436 00:10:30,269 is trying to start negotiations is trying to start negotiations
205 00:10:30,353 00:10:32,687 to sort of coax them away from that. to sort of coax them away from that.
206 00:10:34,186 00:10:37,061 In October of 2013, there's a panel. In October of 2013, there's a panel.
207 00:10:37,144 00:10:38,103 There are several people on it, There are several people on it,
208 00:10:38,186 00:10:39,770 but the really interesting person but the really interesting person
209 00:10:39,853 00:10:43,853 that comes to talk on the panel is Sheldon adelson. that comes to talk on the panel is Sheldon adelson.
210 00:10:43,937 00:10:46,853 Sheldon adelson is one of the richest men in the world. Sheldon adelson is one of the richest men in the world.
211 00:10:46,937 00:10:48,853 He's a casino magnate. He's a casino magnate.
212 00:10:48,937 00:10:51,770 He's got casinos off China, He's got casinos off China,
213 00:10:51,853 00:10:54,311 he's got a major casino in Singapore. he's got a major casino in Singapore.
214 00:10:54,395 00:10:56,478 He's got two major casinos in Las Vegas, He's got two major casinos in Las Vegas,
215 00:10:56,561 00:10:58,144 and that's really where he made his money. and that's really where he made his money.
216 00:10:58,228 00:10:59,978 Newscaster: The billionaire businessman Newscaster: The billionaire businessman
217 00:11:00,061 00:11:01,478 who made a fortune with casinos who made a fortune with casinos
218 00:11:01,561 00:11:03,645 gave more than $92 million gave more than $92 million
219 00:11:03,728 00:11:06,478 to conservative candidates in the 2012 race. to conservative candidates in the 2012 race.
220 00:11:06,561 00:11:07,895 Riley: One of his most famous things is Riley: One of his most famous things is
221 00:11:07,978 00:11:09,812 an effort to spend a hundred million dollars an effort to spend a hundred million dollars
222 00:11:09,895 00:11:12,228 to make sure that Obama doesn't get elected to a second term. to make sure that Obama doesn't get elected to a second term.
223 00:11:12,311 00:11:14,520 You've got to really dislike me... You've got to really dislike me...
224 00:11:14,603 00:11:16,269 (Crowd laughing) (Crowd laughing)
225 00:11:16,353 00:11:17,978 ...to spend that kind of money. ...to spend that kind of money.
226 00:11:18,061 00:11:20,103 And he's very clear, and, And he's very clear, and,
227 00:11:20,186 00:11:21,812 and full-throated about his opinions. and full-throated about his opinions.
228 00:11:21,895 00:11:23,853 How are you able to be so outspoken? How are you able to be so outspoken?
229 00:11:23,937 00:11:27,520 I flunked diplomacy 101. I flunked diplomacy 101.
230 00:11:27,603 00:11:29,561 Riley: Especially when it comes to Iran, Riley: Especially when it comes to Iran,
231 00:11:29,645 00:11:32,103 and when it comes to these negotiations in particular. and when it comes to these negotiations in particular.
232 00:11:32,186 00:11:33,687 Wait, so you would support Wait, so you would support
233 00:11:33,770 00:11:35,728 negotiations with Iran currently, negotiations with Iran currently,
234 00:11:35,812 00:11:39,853 so long as they first seized all enrichment of uranium? so long as they first seized all enrichment of uranium?
235 00:11:39,937 00:11:42,812 No. What do you mean support nego-- No. What do you mean support nego--
236 00:11:42,895 00:11:44,687 what are we going to negotiate about? what are we going to negotiate about?
237 00:11:44,770 00:11:47,770 What I would say is... listen. What I would say is... listen.
238 00:11:47,853 00:11:50,103 You see that desert out there? You see that desert out there?
239 00:11:50,186 00:11:52,103 I want to show you something. I want to show you something.
240 00:11:52,186 00:11:54,311 You pick up your cell phone, You pick up your cell phone,
241 00:11:54,395 00:11:56,353 and you call somewhere in Nebraska, and you call somewhere in Nebraska,
242 00:11:56,436 00:11:58,269 and you say, "okay, let it go." and you say, "okay, let it go."
243 00:11:58,353 00:12:01,812 So there's an atomic weapon goes over ballistic missiles So there's an atomic weapon goes over ballistic missiles
244 00:12:01,895 00:12:05,978 in the middle of the desert that doesn't hurt a soul. in the middle of the desert that doesn't hurt a soul.
245 00:12:06,061 00:12:09,561 Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes and scorpions or whatever. Maybe a couple of rattlesnakes and scorpions or whatever.
246 00:12:09,645 00:12:11,937 And then, and then you say, "see? And then, and then you say, "see?
247 00:12:12,019 00:12:14,478 The next one is in the middle of Tehran." The next one is in the middle of Tehran."
248 00:12:15,436 00:12:17,687 So, we mean business. So, we mean business.
249 00:12:17,770 00:12:20,061 And that was not taken well in Iran. And that was not taken well in Iran.
250 00:12:20,144 00:12:22,937 See? The next one is in the middle of Tehran. See? The next one is in the middle of Tehran.
251 00:12:23,019 00:12:25,228 Riley: Somebody gets a YouTube clip of this. Riley: Somebody gets a YouTube clip of this.
252 00:12:25,311 00:12:26,228 It goes up. It goes up.
253 00:12:26,311 00:12:28,478 Doesn't take long before Iran notices it. Doesn't take long before Iran notices it.
254 00:12:28,561 00:12:31,019 (Speaking foreign language) (Speaking foreign language)
255 00:12:43,436 00:12:45,645 (Cheering) (Cheering)
256 00:12:48,478 00:12:51,311 Riley: It's clear that Iran wants to punish adelson. Riley: It's clear that Iran wants to punish adelson.
257 00:12:51,395 00:12:53,019 And they want to make it hurt. And they want to make it hurt.
258 00:12:56,728 00:12:59,269 Casinos are basically big banks, right? Casinos are basically big banks, right?
259 00:12:59,353 00:13:02,561 The amount of money that goes in and out of a casino in a day The amount of money that goes in and out of a casino in a day
260 00:13:02,645 00:13:05,103 is millions and millions of dollars. is millions and millions of dollars.
261 00:13:05,186 00:13:08,561 And so, casinos spend an enormous amount of money on physical security. And so, casinos spend an enormous amount of money on physical security.
262 00:13:08,645 00:13:11,561 On cameras, on security guards, on vaults. On cameras, on security guards, on vaults.
263 00:13:11,645 00:13:13,520 Like, the things that you would do to protect Like, the things that you would do to protect
264 00:13:13,603 00:13:15,311 chips and cash. chips and cash.
265 00:13:15,395 00:13:17,603 But as far as their it infrastructure, But as far as their it infrastructure,
266 00:13:17,687 00:13:19,478 what does that look like? what does that look like?
267 00:13:24,645 00:13:27,061 So, around December 2013, So, around December 2013,
268 00:13:27,144 00:13:30,103 hackers in Iran start looking for a weak link hackers in Iran start looking for a weak link
269 00:13:30,186 00:13:32,436 into sands corp's network. into sands corp's network.
270 00:13:32,520 00:13:35,186 And the hackers just ultimately get lucky. And the hackers just ultimately get lucky.
271 00:13:36,895 00:13:39,645 A senior software engineer had come from Las Vegas, A senior software engineer had come from Las Vegas,
272 00:13:39,728 00:13:42,770 was working at a small casino in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, was working at a small casino in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania,
273 00:13:42,853 00:13:45,061 that's part of the sands corp empire, that's part of the sands corp empire,
274 00:13:45,144 00:13:47,103 and had used his credentials and had used his credentials
275 00:13:47,186 00:13:48,937 to get onto one of the machines in Bethlehem, to get onto one of the machines in Bethlehem,
276 00:13:49,019 00:13:50,687 and the hackers found him. and the hackers found him.
277 00:13:50,770 00:13:54,186 Those credentials allowed them to get into the Bethlehem network. Those credentials allowed them to get into the Bethlehem network.
278 00:13:55,103 00:13:57,061 And then, from Bethlehem, And then, from Bethlehem,
279 00:13:57,144 00:14:00,228 to Las Vegas, which is really where they wanted to be. to Las Vegas, which is really where they wanted to be.
280 00:14:04,019 00:14:05,978 They'd start kind of slowly, They'd start kind of slowly,
281 00:14:06,061 00:14:07,687 but by early February, but by early February,
282 00:14:07,770 00:14:10,645 they release a few hundred lines of code, they release a few hundred lines of code,
283 00:14:10,728 00:14:14,728 which is designed to, not to steal information, which is designed to, not to steal information,
284 00:14:14,812 00:14:16,436 but to destroy computers. but to destroy computers.
285 00:14:16,520 00:14:20,770 To, to override information. To really create chaos To, to override information. To really create chaos
286 00:14:20,853 00:14:22,603 within sands corp's network. within sands corp's network.
287 00:14:26,478 00:14:28,520 Former sands employee 1: I received a phone call Former sands employee 1: I received a phone call
288 00:14:28,603 00:14:30,478 from a support desk manager from a support desk manager
289 00:14:30,561 00:14:33,436 at about 4:00 A.M. at about 4:00 A.M.
290 00:14:33,520 00:14:36,144 The support desk manager had been receiving calls The support desk manager had been receiving calls
291 00:14:36,228 00:14:41,687 telling her that people's emails were getting locked up. telling her that people's emails were getting locked up.
292 00:14:41,770 00:14:44,353 Some of the engineers tried to look into Some of the engineers tried to look into
293 00:14:44,436 00:14:46,144 what might be the cause of it, what might be the cause of it,
294 00:14:46,228 00:14:48,603 and they couldn't get in. and they couldn't get in.
295 00:14:49,603 00:14:51,770 I wouldn't say that they were panicked. I wouldn't say that they were panicked.
296 00:14:51,853 00:14:53,436 I would say that there was, um, I would say that there was, um,
297 00:14:53,520 00:14:57,269 an extreme sense of urgency. an extreme sense of urgency.
298 00:14:57,353 00:15:00,687 Former sands employee 2: In the morning, sometimes I check my email. Former sands employee 2: In the morning, sometimes I check my email.
299 00:15:00,770 00:15:02,812 And I couldn't get to anything. And I couldn't get to anything.
300 00:15:02,895 00:15:07,353 First thing I thought is, someone's gonna call me and yell at me, First thing I thought is, someone's gonna call me and yell at me,
301 00:15:07,436 00:15:10,228 because probably the software is down. because probably the software is down.
302 00:15:10,311 00:15:12,228 Minutes of a software outage Minutes of a software outage
303 00:15:12,311 00:15:15,812 can amount to a loss of a serious amount of money. can amount to a loss of a serious amount of money.
304 00:15:17,895 00:15:19,645 We were getting reports left and right We were getting reports left and right
305 00:15:19,728 00:15:22,520 of people not being able to access their computers. of people not being able to access their computers.
306 00:15:22,603 00:15:26,853 Our internal systems, our email, our way to communicate. Our internal systems, our email, our way to communicate.
307 00:15:26,937 00:15:28,478 Accounting, was, like, paralyzed, Accounting, was, like, paralyzed,
308 00:15:28,561 00:15:30,186 and that place is all accountants. and that place is all accountants.
309 00:15:30,269 00:15:32,978 I mean, everybody in the back that isn't it I mean, everybody in the back that isn't it
310 00:15:33,061 00:15:34,895 is in some kind of finance team. is in some kind of finance team.
311 00:15:34,978 00:15:38,061 As the guys kept digging into it more and more, As the guys kept digging into it more and more,
312 00:15:38,144 00:15:41,937 a sense of, like, "holy shit, this is huge. a sense of, like, "holy shit, this is huge.
313 00:15:42,019 00:15:44,478 Like, the damage is massive." Like, the damage is massive."
314 00:15:48,144 00:15:50,853 Former sands employee 1: At some point in time, we made a decision Former sands employee 1: At some point in time, we made a decision
315 00:15:50,937 00:15:54,228 that everybody needs to turn off their computers. that everybody needs to turn off their computers.
316 00:15:54,311 00:15:58,937 We basically had teams go out and unplug desktop machines. We basically had teams go out and unplug desktop machines.
317 00:15:59,019 00:16:01,436 Former sands employee 2: We were going to pcs on the casino floor Former sands employee 2: We were going to pcs on the casino floor
318 00:16:01,520 00:16:03,853 in the pits, and at the player's club, in the pits, and at the player's club,
319 00:16:03,937 00:16:05,228 and in the cage, and in the cage,
320 00:16:05,311 00:16:07,436 and taking them offline one at a time. and taking them offline one at a time.
321 00:16:07,520 00:16:09,353 Scanning 'em, cleaning 'em. Scanning 'em, cleaning 'em.
322 00:16:11,770 00:16:15,853 Former sands employee 1: We knew at that time this was a possible hack. Former sands employee 1: We knew at that time this was a possible hack.
323 00:16:15,937 00:16:18,937 But I still thought it was a singular event. But I still thought it was a singular event.
324 00:16:19,019 00:16:22,311 That we were basically doing damage control. That we were basically doing damage control.
325 00:16:22,395 00:16:24,645 But there were things that popped up But there were things that popped up
326 00:16:24,728 00:16:26,978 that indicated that it wasn't somebody hacking that indicated that it wasn't somebody hacking
327 00:16:27,061 00:16:28,728 just for the sake of hacking. just for the sake of hacking.
328 00:16:28,812 00:16:30,603 It was a political statement. It was a political statement.
329 00:16:32,520 00:16:35,561 Former sands employee 2: The Las Vegas sands website had been defaced, Former sands employee 2: The Las Vegas sands website had been defaced,
330 00:16:35,645 00:16:37,978 to show an image of the globe to show an image of the globe
331 00:16:38,061 00:16:41,395 with various locations of the world on fire. with various locations of the world on fire.
332 00:16:42,436 00:16:44,478 Former sands employee 1: I remember flames, Former sands employee 1: I remember flames,
333 00:16:44,561 00:16:49,019 and something about adelson and cutting off his tongue. and something about adelson and cutting off his tongue.
334 00:16:49,103 00:16:51,561 Former sands employee 2: We were all curious as to who did it, Former sands employee 2: We were all curious as to who did it,
335 00:16:51,645 00:16:54,186 and then when we saw what had happened to the website, and then when we saw what had happened to the website,
336 00:16:54,269 00:16:55,687 it was like, "oh. it was like, "oh.
337 00:16:55,770 00:16:59,395 Well, this is a reaction to what Mr. Adelson had said." Well, this is a reaction to what Mr. Adelson had said."
338 00:16:59,478 00:17:02,478 Former sands employee 1: You know, my stomach sank. It was like, Former sands employee 1: You know, my stomach sank. It was like,
339 00:17:02,561 00:17:05,603 excuse my language, like, "holy shit." excuse my language, like, "holy shit."
340 00:17:06,687 00:17:08,228 This is real. This is real.
341 00:17:11,061 00:17:14,186 Newscaster: A cascading attack. Servers shut down. Newscaster: A cascading attack. Servers shut down.
342 00:17:14,269 00:17:17,436 Screens go blank. A rush to unplug computers. Screens go blank. A rush to unplug computers.
343 00:17:17,520 00:17:20,561 This attack hit the world's largest casino operation This attack hit the world's largest casino operation
344 00:17:20,645 00:17:21,853 ten months ago. ten months ago.
345 00:17:21,937 00:17:23,978 Sands corp was able to keep it secret for months, Sands corp was able to keep it secret for months,
346 00:17:24,061 00:17:27,478 and to keep the scale, especially, of the attacks, secret for months. and to keep the scale, especially, of the attacks, secret for months.
347 00:17:27,561 00:17:30,561 Newscaster: CNN has learned on February 10th of this year, Newscaster: CNN has learned on February 10th of this year,
348 00:17:30,645 00:17:33,812 thousands of employees at sands casinos in Las Vegas thousands of employees at sands casinos in Las Vegas
349 00:17:33,895 00:17:36,895 and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, had their computers hit. and Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, had their computers hit.
350 00:17:38,186 00:17:41,186 Former sands employee 1: They didn't want to get this out. Former sands employee 1: They didn't want to get this out.
351 00:17:41,269 00:17:43,895 They wanted controlled communications, They wanted controlled communications,
352 00:17:43,978 00:17:45,770 is what I will say. is what I will say.
353 00:17:48,770 00:17:51,853 Riley: That comment that adelson made on that stage Riley: That comment that adelson made on that stage
354 00:17:51,937 00:17:53,687 was a very expensive comment to make. was a very expensive comment to make.
355 00:17:55,103 00:17:58,353 The cost of the attack and recovering from the attack The cost of the attack and recovering from the attack
356 00:17:58,436 00:18:00,395 was about $40 million. was about $40 million.
357 00:18:00,478 00:18:02,728 It cost the Iranians far less than $40 million. It cost the Iranians far less than $40 million.
358 00:18:02,812 00:18:05,186 I mean, that's the thing about the asymmetry of these attacks I mean, that's the thing about the asymmetry of these attacks
359 00:18:05,269 00:18:08,687 is hackers working in a team for a few days, is hackers working in a team for a few days,
360 00:18:08,770 00:18:11,311 you know, they started probing in December. you know, they started probing in December.
361 00:18:11,395 00:18:15,186 You know, a couple of teams got really active for a few days in January, You know, a couple of teams got really active for a few days in January,
362 00:18:15,269 00:18:17,853 and in February, they unleashed the attack. and in February, they unleashed the attack.
363 00:18:17,937 00:18:21,353 You know, that's a very low-cost attack from a nation-state point of view. You know, that's a very low-cost attack from a nation-state point of view.
364 00:18:26,520 00:18:29,353 Sanger: The sands casino attack was a warning shot. Sanger: The sands casino attack was a warning shot.
365 00:18:29,436 00:18:32,269 It was a reinforcement of the thought It was a reinforcement of the thought
366 00:18:32,353 00:18:34,812 that a middling power like Iran that a middling power like Iran
367 00:18:34,895 00:18:38,770 could shut down a big economic enterprise could shut down a big economic enterprise
368 00:18:38,853 00:18:40,687 in the United States. in the United States.
369 00:18:40,770 00:18:44,186 And that if the sands casino could be brought down, And that if the sands casino could be brought down,
370 00:18:44,269 00:18:46,144 so could the rest of Vegas. so could the rest of Vegas.
371 00:18:46,228 00:18:50,144 And what happened in Vegas wouldn't stay in Vegas. And what happened in Vegas wouldn't stay in Vegas.
372 00:18:50,228 00:18:54,978 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
373 00:18:58,687 00:19:01,895 Zegart: The evolution of cyber has happened very quickly, Zegart: The evolution of cyber has happened very quickly,
374 00:19:01,978 00:19:04,311 in terms of its importance to the United States, in terms of its importance to the United States,
375 00:19:04,395 00:19:08,395 and the organizational dimension of it in the US government. and the organizational dimension of it in the US government.
376 00:19:09,520 00:19:12,186 In 2007, the director of national intelligence In 2007, the director of national intelligence
377 00:19:12,269 00:19:15,228 issues a threat assessment of all the threats against the country. issues a threat assessment of all the threats against the country.
378 00:19:15,311 00:19:18,853 The word "cyber" isn't in it a single time. The word "cyber" isn't in it a single time.
379 00:19:20,853 00:19:22,937 Fast forward just a couple of years, Fast forward just a couple of years,
380 00:19:23,019 00:19:25,019 you had the creation of cyber command. you had the creation of cyber command.
381 00:19:26,186 00:19:29,436 Fast forward a couple more years, it's 2012. Fast forward a couple more years, it's 2012.
382 00:19:29,520 00:19:32,645 Suddenly cyber has gone from not being mentioned at all Suddenly cyber has gone from not being mentioned at all
383 00:19:32,728 00:19:33,978 in those threat assessments, in those threat assessments,
384 00:19:34,061 00:19:35,978 to being one of the top three threats to being one of the top three threats
385 00:19:36,061 00:19:38,061 facing the United States. facing the United States.
386 00:19:42,895 00:19:44,645 Secretary of defense panetta Secretary of defense panetta
387 00:19:44,728 00:19:48,228 goes on board the intrepid, which is an aircraft carrier museum-- goes on board the intrepid, which is an aircraft carrier museum--
388 00:19:48,311 00:19:50,520 I think the background is not a coincidence-- I think the background is not a coincidence--
389 00:19:50,603 00:19:53,144 and talks about a cyber Pearl harbor. and talks about a cyber Pearl harbor.
390 00:19:53,228 00:19:56,937 We know that foreign cyber actors We know that foreign cyber actors
391 00:19:57,019 00:20:01,895 are probing america's critical infrastructure networks. are probing america's critical infrastructure networks.
392 00:20:01,978 00:20:05,561 They are targeting the computer control systems They are targeting the computer control systems
393 00:20:05,645 00:20:10,228 that operate chemical, electricity, and water plants, that operate chemical, electricity, and water plants,
394 00:20:10,311 00:20:13,311 and those that guide transportation and those that guide transportation
395 00:20:13,395 00:20:16,228 throughout this country. throughout this country.
396 00:20:16,311 00:20:20,478 The collective result of these kinds of attacks The collective result of these kinds of attacks
397 00:20:20,561 00:20:23,353 could be a cyber Pearl harbor. could be a cyber Pearl harbor.
398 00:20:23,436 00:20:26,311 Riley: And as people were warned about this notion of the cyber Pearl harbor, Riley: And as people were warned about this notion of the cyber Pearl harbor,
399 00:20:26,395 00:20:28,353 what they seem to miss was, in fact, what they seem to miss was, in fact,
400 00:20:28,436 00:20:31,061 that the US had set up a regime where, that the US had set up a regime where,
401 00:20:31,144 00:20:34,061 if they, if Russia took down the electrical grid if they, if Russia took down the electrical grid
402 00:20:34,144 00:20:36,061 or if China took down a, a gas pipeline, or if China took down a, a gas pipeline,
403 00:20:36,144 00:20:38,978 they should expect a military response. they should expect a military response.
404 00:20:39,061 00:20:42,228 The government had plans for a massive, kind of, The government had plans for a massive, kind of,
405 00:20:42,311 00:20:44,061 major attack against the electrical grid. major attack against the electrical grid.
406 00:20:44,144 00:20:46,770 What they didn't really have plans for was What they didn't really have plans for was
407 00:20:46,853 00:20:49,978 this kind of, like, incremental, hit a company, this kind of, like, incremental, hit a company,
408 00:20:50,061 00:20:51,895 you know, destroy its brand. you know, destroy its brand.
409 00:20:51,978 00:20:54,186 Destroy its capacity to do business. Destroy its capacity to do business.
410 00:20:54,269 00:20:56,395 How are we gonna respond, as the US government, How are we gonna respond, as the US government,
411 00:20:56,478 00:20:58,645 to those kinds of attacks? to those kinds of attacks?
412 00:21:07,770 00:21:10,770 (Singing in korean) (Singing in korean)
413 00:21:23,687 00:21:26,937 Seth Rogen: I started with just a huge fascination Seth Rogen: I started with just a huge fascination
414 00:21:27,019 00:21:28,812 with North Korea. with North Korea.
415 00:21:33,520 00:21:37,186 Me and my writing partner Evan would read articles and books Me and my writing partner Evan would read articles and books
416 00:21:37,269 00:21:39,019 and watch documentaries, and it was just, like, and watch documentaries, and it was just, like,
417 00:21:39,103 00:21:41,103 endlessly fascinating to US. endlessly fascinating to US.
418 00:21:41,186 00:21:42,395 Uh, who is it? Uh, who is it?
419 00:21:42,478 00:21:44,311 Man: It is, uh, Kim jong-UN. Man: It is, uh, Kim jong-UN.
420 00:21:44,395 00:21:45,770 What? What?
421 00:21:45,853 00:21:48,436 Rogen: And then when Kim jong-UN took over Rogen: And then when Kim jong-UN took over
422 00:21:48,520 00:21:51,311 is when the idea really expanded in our heads, is when the idea really expanded in our heads,
423 00:21:51,395 00:21:54,478 because we realized he was around our age, because we realized he was around our age,
424 00:21:54,561 00:21:56,645 um, and we read more about his life, um, and we read more about his life,
425 00:21:56,728 00:21:59,812 and he weirdly was like a very sympathetic character and he weirdly was like a very sympathetic character
426 00:21:59,895 00:22:01,561 in, in some ways. in, in some ways.
427 00:22:05,186 00:22:09,520 We came up with this story about a guy who hosts We came up with this story about a guy who hosts
428 00:22:09,603 00:22:13,269 a very exploitative late night talk show. a very exploitative late night talk show.
429 00:22:15,144 00:22:19,228 Kim jong-UN is a big fan of his TV show. Kim jong-UN is a big fan of his TV show.
430 00:22:22,561 00:22:24,478 So we get an interview with him. So we get an interview with him.
431 00:22:24,561 00:22:26,311 And then the CIA says, And then the CIA says,
432 00:22:26,395 00:22:28,228 because we are gonna be the first Americans, because we are gonna be the first Americans,
433 00:22:28,311 00:22:30,186 you know, face-to-face with him in a long time, you know, face-to-face with him in a long time,
434 00:22:30,269 00:22:31,895 uh, we could kill him. uh, we could kill him.
435 00:22:35,853 00:22:38,186 We pitched the idea to Sony, We pitched the idea to Sony,
436 00:22:38,269 00:22:40,395 and they basically said, like, and they basically said, like,
437 00:22:40,478 00:22:42,061 "if you get James Franco in this, "if you get James Franco in this,
438 00:22:42,144 00:22:44,019 we'll make this movie right away." we'll make this movie right away."
439 00:22:44,103 00:22:45,853 And we were like, "okay." And we were like, "okay."
440 00:22:45,937 00:22:50,103 (Guitar music playing) (Guitar music playing)
441 00:22:51,144 00:22:52,770 If I recall correctly, If I recall correctly,
442 00:22:52,853 00:22:56,853 it was them who suggested that we make it actually it was them who suggested that we make it actually
443 00:22:56,937 00:22:58,228 Kim jong-UN. Kim jong-UN.
444 00:23:01,103 00:23:03,353 It was something that, like, we were maybe, we were like, It was something that, like, we were maybe, we were like,
445 00:23:03,436 00:23:04,645 "should we make up a guy? "should we make up a guy?
446 00:23:04,728 00:23:07,311 Is that too much?" Um, and, Is that too much?" Um, and,
447 00:23:07,395 00:23:09,645 Sony suggested, like, "well, just call him Kim jong-UN. Sony suggested, like, "well, just call him Kim jong-UN.
448 00:23:09,728 00:23:12,019 It's probably funnier that way." Okay. It's probably funnier that way." Okay.
449 00:23:12,103 00:23:14,103 (Action music playing) (Action music playing)
450 00:23:14,186 00:23:16,019 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
451 00:23:16,103 00:23:18,186 So, when the trailer comes out, So, when the trailer comes out,
452 00:23:18,269 00:23:21,103 North Korea releases a statement through the UN North Korea releases a statement through the UN
453 00:23:21,186 00:23:22,645 condemning the movie. condemning the movie.
454 00:23:22,728 00:23:24,978 Newscaster: North Korea is accusing the United States Newscaster: North Korea is accusing the United States
455 00:23:25,061 00:23:28,061 of "provocative insanity." An "act of war." of "provocative insanity." An "act of war."
456 00:23:28,144 00:23:31,353 And promising "a decisive and merciless countermeasure" And promising "a decisive and merciless countermeasure"
457 00:23:31,436 00:23:34,311 if the US supports the release of the film. if the US supports the release of the film.
458 00:23:38,269 00:23:41,395 Michael lynton: We were trying to understand how seriously to take this Michael lynton: We were trying to understand how seriously to take this
459 00:23:41,478 00:23:44,478 and whether there was something that we should be concerned about. and whether there was something that we should be concerned about.
460 00:23:44,561 00:23:46,687 I called a friend of mine at the state department I called a friend of mine at the state department
461 00:23:46,770 00:23:50,478 who directed me to the person who knew about the subject. who directed me to the person who knew about the subject.
462 00:23:52,478 00:23:55,144 They said the North Korean government They said the North Korean government
463 00:23:55,228 00:23:57,895 tends to be prone to make a lot of threats. tends to be prone to make a lot of threats.
464 00:23:58,019 00:24:01,395 But almost never carried out on those threats. But almost never carried out on those threats.
465 00:24:01,478 00:24:03,311 And they would certainly never And they would certainly never
466 00:24:03,395 00:24:06,603 be able to carry out on a threat on US soil. be able to carry out on a threat on US soil.
467 00:24:06,687 00:24:09,520 There was no mention whatsoever of cyber. There was no mention whatsoever of cyber.
468 00:24:11,186 00:24:14,603 Rogen: Around then, conversations started to come up, Rogen: Around then, conversations started to come up,
469 00:24:14,687 00:24:17,853 of like, "should we tone it down a bit?" of like, "should we tone it down a bit?"
470 00:24:19,186 00:24:21,478 The idea that maybe, uh, The idea that maybe, uh,
471 00:24:21,561 00:24:26,019 killing Kim jong-UN so graphically was maybe, um, killing Kim jong-UN so graphically was maybe, um,
472 00:24:26,103 00:24:27,603 extra antagonistic. extra antagonistic.
473 00:24:27,687 00:24:32,687 ♪ As you leave 'em falling down, down, down ♪ ♪ As you leave 'em falling down, down, down ♪
474 00:24:36,853 00:24:41,061 Lynton: Seth Rogen and his group were very resistant. Lynton: Seth Rogen and his group were very resistant.
475 00:24:41,144 00:24:44,937 They felt that it added to the satire. They felt that it added to the satire.
476 00:24:45,019 00:24:49,269 It was a lot of back and forth and there was a little bit of argument about it. It was a lot of back and forth and there was a little bit of argument about it.
477 00:24:49,353 00:24:52,728 But we ultimately came to a compromise, I think. But we ultimately came to a compromise, I think.
478 00:24:54,311 00:24:58,061 At that point, we felt that we had taken all the necessary precautions. At that point, we felt that we had taken all the necessary precautions.
479 00:24:58,144 00:25:00,645 We made the changes to the picture that, We made the changes to the picture that,
480 00:25:00,728 00:25:04,061 you know, Sony felt, or that my, my employer felt was, you know, Sony felt, or that my, my employer felt was,
481 00:25:04,144 00:25:06,144 was necessary and, you know, was necessary and, you know,
482 00:25:06,228 00:25:08,228 the rest was about getting the movie out. the rest was about getting the movie out.
483 00:25:08,311 00:25:11,978 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
484 00:25:12,061 00:25:13,687 Sanger: In North Korea, Sanger: In North Korea,
485 00:25:13,770 00:25:15,812 the reconnaissance general bureau, the reconnaissance general bureau,
486 00:25:15,895 00:25:19,019 which is the North Korean equivalent of the CIA, which is the North Korean equivalent of the CIA,
487 00:25:19,103 00:25:21,645 dispatched a young hacker dispatched a young hacker
488 00:25:21,728 00:25:24,853 to go to China and Southeast Asia to go to China and Southeast Asia
489 00:25:24,937 00:25:29,561 and put together a team that would break into Sony's systems. and put together a team that would break into Sony's systems.
490 00:25:30,853 00:25:32,687 Jim clapper went to North Korea Jim clapper went to North Korea
491 00:25:32,770 00:25:34,603 during the middle of the Sony hack, during the middle of the Sony hack,
492 00:25:34,687 00:25:37,353 and met the head of the reconnaissance general bureau. and met the head of the reconnaissance general bureau.
493 00:25:37,436 00:25:40,019 He was trying to get the release of two Americans there He was trying to get the release of two Americans there
494 00:25:40,103 00:25:41,978 while the hack was underway. while the hack was underway.
495 00:25:42,061 00:25:45,728 And he never raised it because he never knew it was happening. And he never raised it because he never knew it was happening.
496 00:25:45,812 00:25:49,103 The north Koreans went about this patiently, The north Koreans went about this patiently,
497 00:25:49,186 00:25:50,770 and somewhat brilliantly. and somewhat brilliantly.
498 00:25:52,603 00:25:57,228 In September of 2014, they broke into the Sony systems. In September of 2014, they broke into the Sony systems.
499 00:26:00,186 00:26:02,978 But they didn't then just turn around and attack. But they didn't then just turn around and attack.
500 00:26:03,061 00:26:05,728 They spent weeks examining They spent weeks examining
501 00:26:05,812 00:26:09,812 how each element of Sony's operations how each element of Sony's operations
502 00:26:09,895 00:26:11,770 were tied into the computer system. were tied into the computer system.
503 00:26:11,853 00:26:14,269 They lurked in the system long enough They lurked in the system long enough
504 00:26:14,353 00:26:17,645 to figure out how they could do maximum damage. to figure out how they could do maximum damage.
505 00:26:17,728 00:26:21,395 And it wasn't until just around Thanksgiving, And it wasn't until just around Thanksgiving,
506 00:26:21,478 00:26:24,353 two months later, that they struck. two months later, that they struck.
507 00:26:27,978 00:26:30,853 Lynton: I was driving to work. My phone rang in the car. Lynton: I was driving to work. My phone rang in the car.
508 00:26:30,937 00:26:34,311 The chief financial officer of the company rang me up The chief financial officer of the company rang me up
509 00:26:34,395 00:26:36,520 and he said, "we have a real problem at work. and he said, "we have a real problem at work.
510 00:26:36,603 00:26:39,269 All the email has gone down." All the email has gone down."
511 00:26:39,353 00:26:41,812 Nobody was able to retrieve any data. Nobody was able to retrieve any data.
512 00:26:41,895 00:26:44,311 And as the day progressed, it became quickly evident And as the day progressed, it became quickly evident
513 00:26:44,395 00:26:47,436 that it was way beyond that. That in fact, we had... that it was way beyond that. That in fact, we had...
514 00:26:47,520 00:26:51,061 Pretty much 70 percent of our computers had been knocked out of action. Pretty much 70 percent of our computers had been knocked out of action.
515 00:26:51,144 00:26:52,687 Had been ruined, frankly. Had been ruined, frankly.
516 00:26:52,770 00:26:55,687 Newscaster: Serious breach at Sony pictures last week. Newscaster: Serious breach at Sony pictures last week.
517 00:26:55,770 00:26:58,603 A skeleton appeared on the Sony picture computers A skeleton appeared on the Sony picture computers
518 00:26:58,687 00:27:01,353 with a small message that claimed they'd been hacked by a group with a small message that claimed they'd been hacked by a group
519 00:27:01,436 00:27:03,103 calling itself "guardians of peace." calling itself "guardians of peace."
520 00:27:03,186 00:27:04,937 Newscaster 2: Whoever they are, the guardians of peace Newscaster 2: Whoever they are, the guardians of peace
521 00:27:05,019 00:27:06,770 have already done real damage. have already done real damage.
522 00:27:06,853 00:27:09,687 Newscaster 3: Employees communicated with a phone tree, Newscaster 3: Employees communicated with a phone tree,
523 00:27:09,770 00:27:14,103 and paid people with paper checks cut by a machine pulled from storage. and paid people with paper checks cut by a machine pulled from storage.
524 00:27:14,186 00:27:15,687 Newscaster 4: Sony, by the time this is done, Newscaster 4: Sony, by the time this is done,
525 00:27:15,770 00:27:17,687 is gonna lose tens of millions of dollars is gonna lose tens of millions of dollars
526 00:27:17,770 00:27:19,728 just recovering from this attack. just recovering from this attack.
527 00:27:19,812 00:27:23,311 It's a huge cost, just in terms of the impact of the it infrastructure. It's a huge cost, just in terms of the impact of the it infrastructure.
528 00:27:23,395 00:27:26,395 But more importantly, it's a huge cost to the brand, But more importantly, it's a huge cost to the brand,
529 00:27:26,478 00:27:28,436 because they steal a lot of data in this attack, because they steal a lot of data in this attack,
530 00:27:28,520 00:27:30,186 and then they start releasing it publicly. and then they start releasing it publicly.
531 00:27:30,269 00:27:31,937 Reporter 1: Tinseltown's dirty laundry Reporter 1: Tinseltown's dirty laundry
532 00:27:32,019 00:27:33,895 is laid out in plain view. is laid out in plain view.
533 00:27:33,978 00:27:35,353 And it is not pretty. And it is not pretty.
534 00:27:35,436 00:27:36,728 Reporter 2: The studio's co-chairman Reporter 2: The studio's co-chairman
535 00:27:36,812 00:27:38,228 and a powerful Hollywood producer and a powerful Hollywood producer
536 00:27:38,311 00:27:40,687 used racial jokes to mock President Obama. used racial jokes to mock President Obama.
537 00:27:40,770 00:27:42,645 Reporter 3: A top producer criticizing Reporter 3: A top producer criticizing
538 00:27:42,728 00:27:45,311 Angelina Jolie's talent and ego. Angelina Jolie's talent and ego.
539 00:27:45,395 00:27:46,978 These are juicy. These are juicy.
540 00:27:47,061 00:27:50,061 Dmitri alperovitch: We had seen criminal hackers and hacktivists Dmitri alperovitch: We had seen criminal hackers and hacktivists
541 00:27:50,144 00:27:52,144 use this hack and dump technique use this hack and dump technique
542 00:27:52,228 00:27:55,311 to intimidate victims on a small scale. to intimidate victims on a small scale.
543 00:27:55,395 00:27:57,478 That was the first time we had seen a nation-state That was the first time we had seen a nation-state
544 00:27:57,561 00:27:59,019 do it very effectively. do it very effectively.
545 00:27:59,103 00:28:00,645 The first thing that the north Koreans did The first thing that the north Koreans did
546 00:28:00,728 00:28:02,228 was give it to reporters. was give it to reporters.
547 00:28:02,311 00:28:04,937 And then, when they've exhausted that channel, And then, when they've exhausted that channel,
548 00:28:05,019 00:28:06,728 they gave it to wikileaks. they gave it to wikileaks.
549 00:28:09,687 00:28:12,520 Zegart: This was all very valuable information to the company. Zegart: This was all very valuable information to the company.
550 00:28:12,603 00:28:15,812 Trade secrets, like scripts before movies were released, Trade secrets, like scripts before movies were released,
551 00:28:15,895 00:28:19,228 detailed contract information about what had been paid to whom. detailed contract information about what had been paid to whom.
552 00:28:19,311 00:28:22,019 By the way, Seth Rogen made two million dollars more By the way, Seth Rogen made two million dollars more
553 00:28:22,103 00:28:25,353 -than co-star James Franco. -Mm... -than co-star James Franco. -Mm...
554 00:28:25,436 00:28:27,687 You wouldn't assume someone's stolen property You wouldn't assume someone's stolen property
555 00:28:27,770 00:28:30,311 was instantly going to be made was instantly going to be made
556 00:28:30,395 00:28:32,520 available for public consumption available for public consumption
557 00:28:32,603 00:28:34,269 by the media. by the media.
558 00:28:34,353 00:28:37,019 Sony were the victims of a crime. Sony were the victims of a crime.
559 00:28:37,103 00:28:39,395 And then the media took the victims of a crime And then the media took the victims of a crime
560 00:28:39,478 00:28:41,144 and made it a hundred million times worse. and made it a hundred million times worse.
561 00:28:41,228 00:28:44,728 You want US to assassinate the leader of North Korea? You want US to assassinate the leader of North Korea?
562 00:28:44,812 00:28:46,687 -Yes. -What? -Yes. -What?
563 00:28:46,770 00:28:48,478 James Franco, Seth Rogen here right now. James Franco, Seth Rogen here right now.
564 00:28:48,561 00:28:51,728 And that's what the whole world is doing right now, saying, "what?" And that's what the whole world is doing right now, saying, "what?"
565 00:28:51,812 00:28:53,103 (Laughing) (Laughing)
566 00:28:53,186 00:28:55,103 Rogen: I go to New York Rogen: I go to New York
567 00:28:55,186 00:28:58,561 to, like, do the final week of promotion for the film. to, like, do the final week of promotion for the film.
568 00:28:58,645 00:29:00,144 It's a very weird thing to do. It's a very weird thing to do.
569 00:29:00,228 00:29:03,395 To promote a thing that is causing the world To promote a thing that is causing the world
570 00:29:03,478 00:29:05,228 distress at that moment. distress at that moment.
571 00:29:05,311 00:29:10,228 And that's when, like, it really ratcheted up a notch. And that's when, like, it really ratcheted up a notch.
572 00:29:10,311 00:29:14,978 The hackers made a threat against anyone who goes to see Sony's new film. The hackers made a threat against anyone who goes to see Sony's new film.
573 00:29:15,061 00:29:18,770 Newscaster: This message warns movie-goers to stay away from theaters. Newscaster: This message warns movie-goers to stay away from theaters.
574 00:29:18,853 00:29:21,728 The group is threatening to deliver what it calls its "Christmas gift." The group is threatening to deliver what it calls its "Christmas gift."
575 00:29:21,812 00:29:24,728 I literally got on a plane and left New York in the middle of my press tour. I literally got on a plane and left New York in the middle of my press tour.
576 00:29:24,812 00:29:26,645 I think I was, like, on the way to do "Jimmy Fallon," I think I was, like, on the way to do "Jimmy Fallon,"
577 00:29:26,728 00:29:28,978 and I was like, "let's go to the airport. Like... and I was like, "let's go to the airport. Like...
578 00:29:29,061 00:29:31,269 I don't think this movie's coming out, guys." I don't think this movie's coming out, guys."
579 00:29:33,520 00:29:36,269 And I went back to la, and went to Sony, And I went back to la, and went to Sony,
580 00:29:36,353 00:29:38,895 and was like, "what's the plan? Like, is it gonna be pulled from theaters? and was like, "what's the plan? Like, is it gonna be pulled from theaters?
581 00:29:38,978 00:29:41,978 It seems like people don't want to play the movie anymore." It seems like people don't want to play the movie anymore."
582 00:29:45,103 00:29:48,603 Lynton: When the email came out that involved physical threats, Lynton: When the email came out that involved physical threats,
583 00:29:48,687 00:29:52,103 there was a lot of conversations with the theaters that happened there was a lot of conversations with the theaters that happened
584 00:29:52,186 00:29:55,269 where they were asking to delay the release of the picture. where they were asking to delay the release of the picture.
585 00:29:55,353 00:30:00,019 I think Michael lynton didn't want to leave the theater owners, I think Michael lynton didn't want to leave the theater owners,
586 00:30:00,103 00:30:02,103 you know, looking like the bad guy. you know, looking like the bad guy.
587 00:30:02,186 00:30:04,395 So, he then was like, "I'm gonna pull the movie. So, he then was like, "I'm gonna pull the movie.
588 00:30:04,478 00:30:08,186 "I'm just gonna say... It's... it's, it's pulled. "I'm just gonna say... It's... it's, it's pulled.
589 00:30:08,269 00:30:10,645 "And we all need to come as like a united front, "And we all need to come as like a united front,
590 00:30:10,728 00:30:12,395 and say that that's what we want." and say that that's what we want."
591 00:30:12,478 00:30:14,561 And we were like, "absolutely not." And we were like, "absolutely not."
592 00:30:14,645 00:30:18,311 Newscaster: Today, Sony cancelled the Christmas day release Newscaster: Today, Sony cancelled the Christmas day release
593 00:30:18,395 00:30:19,436 of "the interview." of "the interview."
594 00:30:19,520 00:30:20,728 Newscaster 2: The hackers win. Newscaster 2: The hackers win.
595 00:30:20,812 00:30:22,061 I don't know how else to frame it I don't know how else to frame it
596 00:30:22,144 00:30:23,478 now that Sony has cancelled now that Sony has cancelled
597 00:30:23,561 00:30:24,770 the release of "the interview," the release of "the interview,"
598 00:30:24,853 00:30:25,978 that spoof about North Korea that spoof about North Korea
599 00:30:26,061 00:30:27,895 starring James Franco and Seth Rogen. starring James Franco and Seth Rogen.
600 00:30:29,728 00:30:31,603 Rogen: A couple days later, Rogen: A couple days later,
601 00:30:31,687 00:30:35,436 we were all gathered in our bungalow on the Sony lot. we were all gathered in our bungalow on the Sony lot.
602 00:30:35,520 00:30:37,812 And they were like, "there's a press conference coming, And they were like, "there's a press conference coming,
603 00:30:37,895 00:30:39,687 and Obama's gonna talk about it, I think." and Obama's gonna talk about it, I think."
604 00:30:39,770 00:30:42,186 And we, we were like, "he's not gonna talk about it." And we, we were like, "he's not gonna talk about it."
605 00:30:42,269 00:30:43,645 Like, and it was like the first question. Like, and it was like the first question.
606 00:30:43,728 00:30:45,311 Reporter: Thank you, Mr. President. Uh, Reporter: Thank you, Mr. President. Uh,
607 00:30:45,395 00:30:47,186 let's start on North Korea, 'cause that seems to be let's start on North Korea, 'cause that seems to be
608 00:30:47,269 00:30:48,812 the, uh, biggest topic today. the, uh, biggest topic today.
609 00:30:48,895 00:30:53,144 Uh, what does a proportional response look like, Uh, what does a proportional response look like,
610 00:30:53,228 00:30:55,353 uh, to the Sony hack? uh, to the Sony hack?
611 00:30:55,436 00:30:58,853 The question at that time was, well, how serious a deal is this? The question at that time was, well, how serious a deal is this?
612 00:30:58,937 00:31:03,019 And before you knew it, it was an international security incident And before you knew it, it was an international security incident
613 00:31:03,103 00:31:05,603 that involved the president of the United States. that involved the president of the United States.
614 00:31:07,561 00:31:11,478 Hurd: If North Korea launched a missile Hurd: If North Korea launched a missile
615 00:31:11,561 00:31:14,019 into San Francisco, into San Francisco,
616 00:31:14,103 00:31:18,228 everybody knows what the United States of America, our response would be. everybody knows what the United States of America, our response would be.
617 00:31:18,311 00:31:21,186 Right? That's a physical-on-physical attack. Right? That's a physical-on-physical attack.
618 00:31:21,269 00:31:24,311 But what is a digital-on-digital attack, But what is a digital-on-digital attack,
619 00:31:24,395 00:31:26,186 and what is the appropriate response? and what is the appropriate response?
620 00:31:26,269 00:31:29,269 John mccain at the time said, "this is an act of war." John mccain at the time said, "this is an act of war."
621 00:31:29,353 00:31:32,395 It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in, It's a new form of warfare that we're involved in,
622 00:31:32,478 00:31:35,269 and we need to react, and react vigorously. and we need to react, and react vigorously.
623 00:31:35,353 00:31:37,311 President Obama didn't want to go there. President Obama didn't want to go there.
624 00:31:38,520 00:31:40,561 Eric rosenbach: When we were in those conversations Eric rosenbach: When we were in those conversations
625 00:31:40,645 00:31:42,019 both in the department of defense both in the department of defense
626 00:31:42,103 00:31:43,395 and in the white house, and in the white house,
627 00:31:43,478 00:31:45,645 you fear that if you go too hard you fear that if you go too hard
628 00:31:45,728 00:31:46,728 against the north Koreans, against the north Koreans,
629 00:31:46,812 00:31:48,603 it becomes a real military conflict. it becomes a real military conflict.
630 00:31:48,687 00:31:50,561 The last thing you want The last thing you want
631 00:31:50,645 00:31:52,812 is to do something that escalates it, is to do something that escalates it,
632 00:31:52,895 00:31:54,895 and the north Koreans then hit the US back and the north Koreans then hit the US back
633 00:31:54,978 00:31:56,353 in our critical infrastructure, right? in our critical infrastructure, right?
634 00:31:56,436 00:31:58,895 We didn't know whether they were in the grid We didn't know whether they were in the grid
635 00:31:58,978 00:32:00,228 and could take something down. and could take something down.
636 00:32:00,311 00:32:04,019 We will respond. Uh, we will respond proportionally, We will respond. Uh, we will respond proportionally,
637 00:32:04,103 00:32:07,186 and we'll respond, uh, in a place and time, and we'll respond, uh, in a place and time,
638 00:32:07,269 00:32:09,353 uh, and manner, that we choose. uh, and manner, that we choose.
639 00:32:09,436 00:32:11,395 It's not something that I will announce, It's not something that I will announce,
640 00:32:11,478 00:32:13,061 uh, here today at a press conference. uh, here today at a press conference.
641 00:32:13,144 00:32:15,853 No one really knows what the US government did to North Korea. No one really knows what the US government did to North Korea.
642 00:32:15,937 00:32:18,895 There are press reports that suggest that There are press reports that suggest that
643 00:32:19,019 00:32:20,478 not long after the Sony hack, not long after the Sony hack,
644 00:32:20,561 00:32:22,812 suddenly, uh, North Korea's Internet went down. suddenly, uh, North Korea's Internet went down.
645 00:32:22,895 00:32:25,186 Even if it were the United States government Even if it were the United States government
646 00:32:25,269 00:32:27,103 that shut down the Internet of North Korea, that shut down the Internet of North Korea,
647 00:32:27,186 00:32:29,937 at the time, North Korea had 28 websites. at the time, North Korea had 28 websites.
648 00:32:30,019 00:32:32,269 So the United States is far more vulnerable So the United States is far more vulnerable
649 00:32:32,353 00:32:36,520 to cyber attacks than many of the countries that are trying to attack US. to cyber attacks than many of the countries that are trying to attack US.
650 00:32:38,186 00:32:40,395 Lynton: The president didn't necessarily Lynton: The president didn't necessarily
651 00:32:40,478 00:32:42,436 have a response to that, to them, have a response to that, to them,
652 00:32:42,520 00:32:45,937 and so, he chose to talk about Sony. and so, he chose to talk about Sony.
653 00:32:46,019 00:32:48,061 We cannot have a society We cannot have a society
654 00:32:48,144 00:32:51,103 in which some dictator someplace in which some dictator someplace
655 00:32:51,186 00:32:55,436 can start imposing censorship here in the United States. can start imposing censorship here in the United States.
656 00:32:55,520 00:32:57,353 He was like, "yeah, theaters should play it." He was like, "yeah, theaters should play it."
657 00:32:57,436 00:33:00,353 Um, "we shouldn't succumb to these threats." Um, "we shouldn't succumb to these threats."
658 00:33:00,436 00:33:02,937 And we were all like, "great!" And we were all like, "great!"
659 00:33:03,019 00:33:05,895 But everyone just bailed. (Laughs) But everyone just bailed. (Laughs)
660 00:33:06,853 00:33:08,311 Lynton: There was certainly disappointment Lynton: There was certainly disappointment
661 00:33:08,395 00:33:09,687 on the part of the filmmakers on the part of the filmmakers
662 00:33:09,770 00:33:11,853 that they weren't gonna see the movie in, you know, that they weren't gonna see the movie in, you know,
663 00:33:11,937 00:33:13,645 in theaters all across the country. in theaters all across the country.
664 00:33:13,728 00:33:16,645 We reassured them that we intended to put the movie out. We reassured them that we intended to put the movie out.
665 00:33:16,728 00:33:18,520 I called Eric schmidt at Google. I called Eric schmidt at Google.
666 00:33:18,603 00:33:20,978 He and the folks at Google felt that it was important He and the folks at Google felt that it was important
667 00:33:21,061 00:33:25,436 that the picture get out, and they offered to put it out on their platform. that the picture get out, and they offered to put it out on their platform.
668 00:33:31,353 00:33:33,103 Rogen: Ultimately, Rogen: Ultimately,
669 00:33:33,186 00:33:35,019 they let the theaters who wanted to play it play it. they let the theaters who wanted to play it play it.
670 00:33:35,103 00:33:37,770 It was in, like, 20 theaters or something like that. It was in, like, 20 theaters or something like that.
671 00:33:37,853 00:33:40,353 Um, I think it is still Google play's Um, I think it is still Google play's
672 00:33:40,436 00:33:42,853 number one ever downloaded movie. number one ever downloaded movie.
673 00:33:42,937 00:33:47,186 ♪ As you leave 'em falling down, down, down ♪ ♪ As you leave 'em falling down, down, down ♪
674 00:33:47,269 00:33:50,603 Rogen: And also, the scene is released. Rogen: And also, the scene is released.
675 00:33:50,687 00:33:52,645 "The verge" or something like that "The verge" or something like that
676 00:33:52,728 00:33:54,687 goes through the hacked footage, goes through the hacked footage,
677 00:33:54,770 00:33:56,978 finds the shot of Kim jong-UN's head exploding, finds the shot of Kim jong-UN's head exploding,
678 00:33:57,061 00:34:01,103 and releases just that online for everyone to just see. and releases just that online for everyone to just see.
679 00:34:01,937 00:34:05,269 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
680 00:34:06,603 00:34:08,978 Zegart: This was a big deal. Zegart: This was a big deal.
681 00:34:09,061 00:34:11,478 That a country that is so poor, That a country that is so poor,
682 00:34:11,561 00:34:14,645 and has only ten percent of its population with cell phones, and has only ten percent of its population with cell phones,
683 00:34:14,728 00:34:16,937 could actually wage a cyber attack could actually wage a cyber attack
684 00:34:17,019 00:34:19,478 against one of our most powerful movie studios against one of our most powerful movie studios
685 00:34:19,561 00:34:23,436 and a major corporation, and create an international crisis. and a major corporation, and create an international crisis.
686 00:34:28,019 00:34:31,645 Hurd: The Sony attack changed the public's perception Hurd: The Sony attack changed the public's perception
687 00:34:31,728 00:34:33,687 of what a cyber attack was. of what a cyber attack was.
688 00:34:33,770 00:34:35,853 Prior to Sony, people believed, Prior to Sony, people believed,
689 00:34:35,937 00:34:39,353 "oh, somebody's trying to steal my credit card information." "oh, somebody's trying to steal my credit card information."
690 00:34:39,436 00:34:43,853 "They're trying to steal my social security in order to commit fraud." "They're trying to steal my social security in order to commit fraud."
691 00:34:43,937 00:34:47,728 Sony was purely an attack to destroy. Sony was purely an attack to destroy.
692 00:34:47,812 00:34:52,186
693 00:35:01,269 00:35:04,103 James clapper: 2014 saw, for the first time, James clapper: 2014 saw, for the first time,
694 00:35:04,186 00:35:07,353 destructive cyber attacks carried out on US soil destructive cyber attacks carried out on US soil
695 00:35:07,436 00:35:09,186 by nation-state entities. by nation-state entities.
696 00:35:09,269 00:35:11,395 Marked first by the Iranian attack Marked first by the Iranian attack
697 00:35:11,478 00:35:13,812 against the Las Vegas sands casino corporation against the Las Vegas sands casino corporation
698 00:35:13,895 00:35:15,353 a year ago this month, a year ago this month,
699 00:35:15,436 00:35:19,186 and the North Korean attack against Sony in November. and the North Korean attack against Sony in November.
700 00:35:19,269 00:35:22,436 While the both of these nations have lesser technical capabilities While the both of these nations have lesser technical capabilities
701 00:35:22,520 00:35:24,853 in comparison to Russia and China, in comparison to Russia and China,
702 00:35:24,937 00:35:27,436 these destructive attacks demonstrate that these destructive attacks demonstrate that
703 00:35:27,520 00:35:32,436 Iran and North Korea are motivated and unpredictable cyber actors. Iran and North Korea are motivated and unpredictable cyber actors.
704 00:35:32,520 00:35:34,520 Russia and China continue to develop Russia and China continue to develop
705 00:35:34,603 00:35:37,103 very sophisticated cyber programs. very sophisticated cyber programs.
706 00:35:37,186 00:35:39,144 And while I can't go into detail here, And while I can't go into detail here,
707 00:35:39,228 00:35:41,269 the Russian cyber threat is more severe the Russian cyber threat is more severe
708 00:35:41,353 00:35:43,645 than we had previously assessed. than we had previously assessed.
709 00:35:54,728 00:35:57,895 Alperovitch: These days, one must always get hired by the lawyers, Alperovitch: These days, one must always get hired by the lawyers,
710 00:35:57,978 00:36:00,603 because the lawyers are the first call of a company that gets hacked. because the lawyers are the first call of a company that gets hacked.
711 00:36:00,687 00:36:02,937 Because there might be lawsuits that would follow Because there might be lawsuits that would follow
712 00:36:03,019 00:36:04,770 from, uh, from the announcement over the breach, from, uh, from the announcement over the breach,
713 00:36:04,853 00:36:07,853 so, very, very typically we get a call from a law firm that says, so, very, very typically we get a call from a law firm that says,
714 00:36:07,937 00:36:10,770 "one of our clients, uh, thinks they may have an issue. "one of our clients, uh, thinks they may have an issue.
715 00:36:10,853 00:36:11,978 Can you come in and help them?" Can you come in and help them?"
716 00:36:12,061 00:36:13,853 In this case, it was the dnc. In this case, it was the dnc.
717 00:36:16,937 00:36:18,395 The call came on a Friday, The call came on a Friday,
718 00:36:18,478 00:36:20,812 so it took US a few days for US to go into the network so it took US a few days for US to go into the network
719 00:36:20,895 00:36:24,311 and find infected machines on the network. and find infected machines on the network.
720 00:36:24,395 00:36:25,978 This wasn't just on one system. This wasn't just on one system.
721 00:36:26,061 00:36:29,144 There were hundreds of systems that were being impacted. There were hundreds of systems that were being impacted.
722 00:36:30,353 00:36:32,269 We start looking at the malware We start looking at the malware
723 00:36:32,353 00:36:35,561 and immediately realized that this was malware we had seen many times before. and immediately realized that this was malware we had seen many times before.
724 00:36:35,645 00:36:39,395 That we had high confidence attribution to the gru, That we had high confidence attribution to the gru,
725 00:36:39,478 00:36:41,645 the Russian military intelligence. the Russian military intelligence.
726 00:36:45,937 00:36:48,520 We're seeing them spread from system to system, We're seeing them spread from system to system,
727 00:36:48,603 00:36:51,478 touch files, take those files out of the network, touch files, take those files out of the network,
728 00:36:51,561 00:36:53,770 stealing data, monitoring everything. stealing data, monitoring everything.
729 00:36:53,853 00:36:55,395 You can't just shut down one machine You can't just shut down one machine
730 00:36:55,478 00:36:56,937 because they're everywhere. because they're everywhere.
731 00:36:57,019 00:36:59,186 So you have to shut everything down, um, So you have to shut everything down, um,
732 00:36:59,269 00:37:02,103 and spend several days rebuilding all the infrastructure. and spend several days rebuilding all the infrastructure.
733 00:37:02,186 00:37:05,937 We told, um, the dnc, "when do you want US to do this remediation?" We told, um, the dnc, "when do you want US to do this remediation?"
734 00:37:06,019 00:37:07,520 (Cheering) (Cheering)
735 00:37:07,603 00:37:10,687 At the time, the primaries were in full swing. At the time, the primaries were in full swing.
736 00:37:10,770 00:37:13,395 Hillary Clinton had not yet locked down her nomination, Hillary Clinton had not yet locked down her nomination,
737 00:37:13,478 00:37:16,978 so they said, "let's plan for four or five weeks from now, so they said, "let's plan for four or five weeks from now,
738 00:37:17,061 00:37:20,228 um, when the primaries are over and we're not under the gun." um, when the primaries are over and we're not under the gun."
739 00:37:20,311 00:37:22,978 Waiting a few weeks did not seem outrageous. Waiting a few weeks did not seem outrageous.
740 00:37:23,061 00:37:24,395 Of course over that period of time, Of course over that period of time,
741 00:37:24,478 00:37:25,978 the Russians continued stealing documents, the Russians continued stealing documents,
742 00:37:26,061 00:37:28,645 and we're sort of helplessly watching them. and we're sort of helplessly watching them.
743 00:37:30,603 00:37:34,395 Hillary Clinton: I was really confused and disturbed Hillary Clinton: I was really confused and disturbed
744 00:37:34,478 00:37:36,812 by what was happening. by what was happening.
745 00:37:36,895 00:37:41,186 But initially, uh, the FBI didn't take it all that seriously, But initially, uh, the FBI didn't take it all that seriously,
746 00:37:41,269 00:37:44,770 and so, it wasn't rising to the level of, and so, it wasn't rising to the level of,
747 00:37:44,853 00:37:49,061 of urgent, you know, five-alarm fire, uh, drill. of urgent, you know, five-alarm fire, uh, drill.
748 00:37:49,144 00:37:51,269 Barack Obama: I want to congratulate Hillary Clinton Barack Obama: I want to congratulate Hillary Clinton
749 00:37:51,353 00:37:55,144 on making history as the presumptive Democratic nominee on making history as the presumptive Democratic nominee
750 00:37:55,228 00:37:58,103 -for president of the United States. -(Cheering) -for president of the United States. -(Cheering)
751 00:37:58,186 00:38:00,603 Alperovitch: Finally, in June of 2016, Alperovitch: Finally, in June of 2016,
752 00:38:00,687 00:38:03,019 we kicked the Russians out of the dnc network. we kicked the Russians out of the dnc network.
753 00:38:03,103 00:38:04,520 This just in to CNN. This just in to CNN.
754 00:38:04,603 00:38:06,937 Russian hackers managed to infiltrate Russian hackers managed to infiltrate
755 00:38:07,019 00:38:09,603 the computer network at the Democratic national committee. the computer network at the Democratic national committee.
756 00:38:09,687 00:38:13,103 The researchers were roaming around the network for about a year, The researchers were roaming around the network for about a year,
757 00:38:13,186 00:38:15,269 but were removed this weekend. but were removed this weekend.
758 00:38:15,353 00:38:16,687 We've talked to dnc officials. We've talked to dnc officials.
759 00:38:16,770 00:38:19,520 We've also talked to the outside firm that the dnc brought in We've also talked to the outside firm that the dnc brought in
760 00:38:19,603 00:38:21,520 when they recognized that there was an issue here. when they recognized that there was an issue here.
761 00:38:21,603 00:38:22,978 That firm called crowdstrike. That firm called crowdstrike.
762 00:38:23,061 00:38:26,186 There was a small blip on the, on the, on the news cycle There was a small blip on the, on the, on the news cycle
763 00:38:26,269 00:38:29,144 that day, of, "oh, Russia's hacking the dnc," that day, of, "oh, Russia's hacking the dnc,"
764 00:38:29,228 00:38:31,645 but national media moved on within hours, but national media moved on within hours,
765 00:38:31,728 00:38:34,520 and, uh, I thought that was gonna be the end of the story. and, uh, I thought that was gonna be the end of the story.
766 00:38:37,186 00:38:41,395 But then on the Eve of the Democratic national convention... But then on the Eve of the Democratic national convention...
767 00:38:43,520 00:38:46,395 Wikileaks dumps the emails. Wikileaks dumps the emails.
768 00:38:49,061 00:38:51,978 Lester holt: Good evening. Their party's chairman off the program, Lester holt: Good evening. Their party's chairman off the program,
769 00:38:52,061 00:38:53,978 an apparent Russian email hack, an apparent Russian email hack,
770 00:38:54,061 00:38:56,478 and now a revolt among Bernie Sanders supporters. and now a revolt among Bernie Sanders supporters.
771 00:38:56,561 00:39:00,019 Welcome to day one of the Democratic national convention. Welcome to day one of the Democratic national convention.
772 00:39:02,228 00:39:05,353 Riley: The information stolen from those servers in the dnc, Riley: The information stolen from those servers in the dnc,
773 00:39:05,436 00:39:07,728 suddenly it begins to surface in this way suddenly it begins to surface in this way
774 00:39:07,812 00:39:09,770 that was presaged by the Sony attack, that was presaged by the Sony attack,
775 00:39:09,853 00:39:11,019 and the sands corp attack. and the sands corp attack.
776 00:39:11,103 00:39:12,812 Newscaster: Emails released by wikileaks, Newscaster: Emails released by wikileaks,
777 00:39:12,895 00:39:16,228 proving the dnc had favored Hillary Clinton over Sanders. proving the dnc had favored Hillary Clinton over Sanders.
778 00:39:16,311 00:39:19,186 Comes out through wikileaks, which makes everything searchable so you'd be, Comes out through wikileaks, which makes everything searchable so you'd be,
779 00:39:19,269 00:39:21,520 you know, there'll be a dump of 20,000 emails you know, there'll be a dump of 20,000 emails
780 00:39:21,603 00:39:23,603 and you just type in some names if you're a reporter, and you just type in some names if you're a reporter,
781 00:39:23,687 00:39:25,061 and suddenly you've got a story. and suddenly you've got a story.
782 00:39:25,144 00:39:26,853 Newscaster: The thousands of hacked emails Newscaster: The thousands of hacked emails
783 00:39:26,937 00:39:28,103 leaked to wikileaks leaked to wikileaks
784 00:39:28,186 00:39:30,353 rocked the Democratic national committee. rocked the Democratic national committee.
785 00:39:30,436 00:39:31,770 (Man speaking) (Man speaking)
786 00:39:31,853 00:39:33,061 I'm so proud-- I'm so proud--
787 00:39:33,144 00:39:35,395 (man speaking) (man speaking)
788 00:39:35,478 00:39:37,561 John podesta: One of the things they were doing John podesta: One of the things they were doing
789 00:39:37,645 00:39:43,728 was trying to stir up trouble between the Bernie delegates was trying to stir up trouble between the Bernie delegates
790 00:39:43,812 00:39:45,728 and, and, and our forces. and, and, and our forces.
791 00:39:45,812 00:39:48,269 Newscaster: Bernie Sanders supporters say the emails proved Newscaster: Bernie Sanders supporters say the emails proved
792 00:39:48,353 00:39:50,812 the party favored Hillary Clinton all along. the party favored Hillary Clinton all along.
793 00:39:50,895 00:39:52,812 It just validated everything we thought. It just validated everything we thought.
794 00:39:52,895 00:39:55,520 That this was completely rigged right from the beginning. That this was completely rigged right from the beginning.
795 00:39:55,603 00:39:58,269 Alex stamos: By using that stolen material, Alex stamos: By using that stolen material,
796 00:39:58,353 00:40:01,937 the media injected the idea that the dnc had rigged the entire process the media injected the idea that the dnc had rigged the entire process
797 00:40:02,019 00:40:04,311 against Bernie Sanders. And there's a kernel of truth. against Bernie Sanders. And there's a kernel of truth.
798 00:40:04,395 00:40:07,812 Clearly there are people in the dnc who didn't like Bernie Sanders. Clearly there are people in the dnc who didn't like Bernie Sanders.
799 00:40:07,895 00:40:09,603 But that doesn't mean the whole process is rigged. But that doesn't mean the whole process is rigged.
800 00:40:09,687 00:40:12,770 And the media allowed them to go from the kernel of truth And the media allowed them to go from the kernel of truth
801 00:40:12,853 00:40:14,728 to the conventional wisdom, to the conventional wisdom,
802 00:40:14,812 00:40:16,353 because it sold papers, because it sold papers,
803 00:40:16,436 00:40:19,561 and it got people to watch TV. and it got people to watch TV.
804 00:40:19,645 00:40:23,478 But they were amplifying the messages that the Russians wanted amplified. But they were amplifying the messages that the Russians wanted amplified.
805 00:40:26,311 00:40:28,728 Podesta: In that pile of information Podesta: In that pile of information
806 00:40:28,812 00:40:30,395 that's come from the dnc, that's come from the dnc,
807 00:40:30,478 00:40:33,978 there were some documents that were campaign finance documents there were some documents that were campaign finance documents
808 00:40:34,061 00:40:35,895 from the campaign that would-- from the campaign that would--
809 00:40:35,978 00:40:39,061 had been unlikely to be at the dnc. had been unlikely to be at the dnc.
810 00:40:39,853 00:40:42,937 So, the campaign began to look at So, the campaign began to look at
811 00:40:43,019 00:40:45,019 where might those have originated. where might those have originated.
812 00:40:47,520 00:40:48,978 Turned out, in the spring, Turned out, in the spring,
813 00:40:49,061 00:40:51,937 one of my colleagues who had access to my email account one of my colleagues who had access to my email account
814 00:40:52,019 00:40:55,228 had seen what was a fairly professional had seen what was a fairly professional
815 00:40:55,311 00:40:59,561 phishing operation, looking to be from Google. phishing operation, looking to be from Google.
816 00:41:00,520 00:41:02,853 She reported that to the people She reported that to the people
817 00:41:02,937 00:41:06,728 in the tech security side of the campaign. in the tech security side of the campaign.
818 00:41:06,812 00:41:13,269 He sent back an email to my assistant saying that it was real, He sent back an email to my assistant saying that it was real,
819 00:41:13,353 00:41:16,019 and that I should change my credentials. and that I should change my credentials.
820 00:41:16,770 00:41:18,812 She then clicked on the link, She then clicked on the link,
821 00:41:18,895 00:41:22,561 and that's how I was hacked by the Russians. and that's how I was hacked by the Russians.
822 00:41:22,645 00:41:26,395 But at that point, we weren't sure what the extent of the breach had been. But at that point, we weren't sure what the extent of the breach had been.
823 00:41:30,019 00:41:32,978 Clapper: In the summer and fall of 2016, Clapper: In the summer and fall of 2016,
824 00:41:33,061 00:41:35,978 there were many meetings about the Russians. there were many meetings about the Russians.
825 00:41:36,061 00:41:39,895 There was a lot of back and forth about what to do. There was a lot of back and forth about what to do.
826 00:41:40,978 00:41:43,269 Suzanne Spaulding: We began to get information Suzanne Spaulding: We began to get information
827 00:41:43,353 00:41:47,895 about cyber activity that was focused on our voter registration databases. about cyber activity that was focused on our voter registration databases.
828 00:41:49,353 00:41:52,812 And we realized that it was probably about disrupting And we realized that it was probably about disrupting
829 00:41:52,895 00:41:55,311 the integrity of that data. the integrity of that data.
830 00:41:55,395 00:41:58,311 The Russians could go into a voter registration database The Russians could go into a voter registration database
831 00:41:58,395 00:41:59,937 and change that data, and change that data,
832 00:42:00,019 00:42:03,353 so that on election day, when voters show up to vote, so that on election day, when voters show up to vote,
833 00:42:03,436 00:42:05,186 they are turned away. they are turned away.
834 00:42:05,269 00:42:07,019 There is chaos at the voting place, There is chaos at the voting place,
835 00:42:07,103 00:42:10,228 because the name doesn't match the identification, because the name doesn't match the identification,
836 00:42:10,311 00:42:13,978 and you could disrupt election day and you could disrupt election day
837 00:42:14,061 00:42:16,061 to the degree that the American public to the degree that the American public
838 00:42:16,144 00:42:18,520 would doubt the legitimacy of the process, would doubt the legitimacy of the process,
839 00:42:18,603 00:42:22,395 and then potentially, the legitimacy of the outcome. and then potentially, the legitimacy of the outcome.
840 00:42:24,144 00:42:27,561 Podesta: That's what Obama's focus was. Podesta: That's what Obama's focus was.
841 00:42:27,645 00:42:30,770 When Obama saw putin in September, When Obama saw putin in September,
842 00:42:31,436 00:42:34,228 he basically threatened him he basically threatened him
843 00:42:34,311 00:42:36,853 that if they tried something like that, that if they tried something like that,
844 00:42:36,937 00:42:39,478 there'd be severe consequences. there'd be severe consequences.
845 00:42:39,561 00:42:42,436 What I think they underappreciated What I think they underappreciated
846 00:42:42,520 00:42:46,603 was how much effect the Russians could have from the hacking, was how much effect the Russians could have from the hacking,
847 00:42:46,687 00:42:50,436 and from their massive disinformation operation. and from their massive disinformation operation.
848 00:42:50,520 00:42:54,144
849 00:42:54,228 00:42:56,103 Stamos: During the election, Stamos: During the election,
850 00:42:56,186 00:42:58,144 we had a dedicated team at Facebook we had a dedicated team at Facebook
851 00:42:58,228 00:43:00,853 whose job it was to look for Russian actors. whose job it was to look for Russian actors.
852 00:43:00,937 00:43:05,436 And we had found gru activity. We had found dcleaks. And we had found gru activity. We had found dcleaks.
853 00:43:05,520 00:43:07,269 We had found them pushing disinformation, We had found them pushing disinformation,
854 00:43:07,353 00:43:08,645 but not really at scale. but not really at scale.
855 00:43:08,728 00:43:10,478 And we didn't really understand And we didn't really understand
856 00:43:10,561 00:43:13,520 what was behind the vast majority of this fake news. what was behind the vast majority of this fake news.
857 00:43:14,978 00:43:17,019 But right after the election, But right after the election,
858 00:43:17,103 00:43:19,228 we took all of the political ads that were run we took all of the political ads that were run
859 00:43:19,311 00:43:21,436 in the United States in the year before the election. in the United States in the year before the election.
860 00:43:21,520 00:43:24,103 And then we figured out all the accounts that were possibly tied to it. And then we figured out all the accounts that were possibly tied to it.
861 00:43:24,186 00:43:27,186 So this is the people who ran the ad, but then also, So this is the people who ran the ad, but then also,
862 00:43:27,269 00:43:29,895 people who used the same computer as the person who ran an ad. people who used the same computer as the person who ran an ad.
863 00:43:29,978 00:43:33,269 Or people who have used the same phone as the person who ran the ad. Or people who have used the same phone as the person who ran the ad.
864 00:43:33,353 00:43:35,311 And then for every single one of those accounts, And then for every single one of those accounts,
865 00:43:35,395 00:43:37,728 we looked for possible links to Russia. we looked for possible links to Russia.
866 00:43:37,812 00:43:40,728 We start pulling that thread, and then we eventually find this cluster We start pulling that thread, and then we eventually find this cluster
867 00:43:40,812 00:43:43,853 that we can all link together, and that was the Internet research agency. that we can all link together, and that was the Internet research agency.
868 00:43:43,937 00:43:47,311
869 00:43:51,395 00:43:53,228 The Internet research agency, llc The Internet research agency, llc
870 00:43:53,311 00:43:55,770 is basically a building in St. Petersburg is basically a building in St. Petersburg
871 00:43:55,853 00:43:57,853 with a bunch of trolls sitting there with a bunch of trolls sitting there
872 00:43:57,937 00:44:01,353 trying to drive divisions in US society. trying to drive divisions in US society.
873 00:44:01,436 00:44:03,978 It's existed for years and years at this point. It's existed for years and years at this point.
874 00:44:04,061 00:44:06,478 And they've done propaganda work in Russia, And they've done propaganda work in Russia,
875 00:44:06,561 00:44:08,978 and Ukraine, and the like. and Ukraine, and the like.
876 00:44:09,061 00:44:12,812 The ira specifically sent people to the United States to study The ira specifically sent people to the United States to study
877 00:44:12,895 00:44:15,144 the political sphere in the US the political sphere in the US
878 00:44:15,228 00:44:17,353 and to understand what the pressure points were. and to understand what the pressure points were.
879 00:44:17,770 00:44:19,353 So in 2016, So in 2016,
880 00:44:19,436 00:44:21,728 they were creating these fake American personas, they were creating these fake American personas,
881 00:44:21,812 00:44:25,144 and then running ads as political groups. and then running ads as political groups.
882 00:44:25,228 00:44:29,019
883 00:44:34,728 00:44:36,561 The depth of the content was surprising. The depth of the content was surprising.
884 00:44:36,645 00:44:39,978 Our assumption was that all of this content would be on one side, politically. Our assumption was that all of this content would be on one side, politically.
885 00:44:40,061 00:44:42,269 But what they had done very effectively But what they had done very effectively
886 00:44:42,353 00:44:44,520 was find a friction point was find a friction point
887 00:44:44,603 00:44:47,061 and then try to manipulate people on both sides. and then try to manipulate people on both sides.
888 00:44:48,478 00:44:50,978 The number-one topic was actually black lives matter. The number-one topic was actually black lives matter.
889 00:44:51,061 00:44:54,061 They created a fake persona to pretend to be They created a fake persona to pretend to be
890 00:44:54,144 00:44:56,645 a pro-black lives matter activist. a pro-black lives matter activist.
891 00:44:57,311 00:44:58,978 And to push narratives And to push narratives
892 00:44:59,061 00:45:01,144 that both would maybe radicalize that both would maybe radicalize
893 00:45:01,228 00:45:02,812 people who were supportive of black lives matter, people who were supportive of black lives matter,
894 00:45:02,895 00:45:04,645 but also look radical but also look radical
895 00:45:04,728 00:45:06,103 to more moderate people to more moderate people
896 00:45:06,186 00:45:08,061 who could say, like, "oh, look at these people. who could say, like, "oh, look at these people.
897 00:45:08,144 00:45:11,436 Yeah, they're, they're they're really nuts." Yeah, they're, they're they're really nuts."
898 00:45:11,520 00:45:14,687 They even, in a couple of cases, tried to create protests They even, in a couple of cases, tried to create protests
899 00:45:14,770 00:45:17,186 where a pro-immigration group and an anti-immigration group where a pro-immigration group and an anti-immigration group
900 00:45:17,269 00:45:21,687 protest one another by inviting people to events that were at the same time. protest one another by inviting people to events that were at the same time.
901 00:45:21,770 00:45:24,895 Down with the racists! Down with the Nazis! Down with the racists! Down with the Nazis!
902 00:45:24,978 00:45:28,269 (Yelling indistinctly) (Yelling indistinctly)
903 00:45:31,770 00:45:33,895 Clinton: We were surprised that Clinton: We were surprised that
904 00:45:33,978 00:45:36,061 putin would care so much putin would care so much
905 00:45:36,144 00:45:39,269 about who the next president was. about who the next president was.
906 00:45:39,353 00:45:43,770 That he was so intent upon damaging me, That he was so intent upon damaging me,
907 00:45:43,853 00:45:45,436 damaging my campaign, damaging my campaign,
908 00:45:45,520 00:45:49,103 preventing me, if he could, from becoming president. preventing me, if he could, from becoming president.
909 00:45:49,186 00:45:51,978 And also how adept they were And also how adept they were
910 00:45:52,061 00:45:55,561 in sowing disinformation, misinformation. in sowing disinformation, misinformation.
911 00:45:55,645 00:45:58,478 It was unlike anything we'd ever seen. It was unlike anything we'd ever seen.
912 00:46:01,311 00:46:03,436 Stamos: None of US kind of conceptualized this Stamos: None of US kind of conceptualized this
913 00:46:03,520 00:46:06,269 as the kind of groups we should be looking for. as the kind of groups we should be looking for.
914 00:46:07,144 00:46:09,186 Intelligence teams at the companies, Intelligence teams at the companies,
915 00:46:09,269 00:46:11,728 and in places like NSA and the US government, and in places like NSA and the US government,
916 00:46:11,812 00:46:15,061 were focused on very traditional threat actors. were focused on very traditional threat actors.
917 00:46:18,353 00:46:21,478 Sanger: General clapper's this old cold warrior. Sanger: General clapper's this old cold warrior.
918 00:46:21,561 00:46:25,228 Grew up as the son of an air force officer, Grew up as the son of an air force officer,
919 00:46:25,311 00:46:27,728 becomes an air force intelligence officer. becomes an air force intelligence officer.
920 00:46:27,812 00:46:31,770 And yet, the cyber conflicts And yet, the cyber conflicts
921 00:46:31,853 00:46:34,269 that are springing up during his time that are springing up during his time
922 00:46:34,353 00:46:36,436 as director of national intelligence as director of national intelligence
923 00:46:36,520 00:46:38,853 are an entirely different kind of threat are an entirely different kind of threat
924 00:46:38,937 00:46:41,770 that he's just trying to keep on top of. that he's just trying to keep on top of.
925 00:46:41,853 00:46:44,144 And time and time again, And time and time again,
926 00:46:44,228 00:46:47,770 he keeps getting caught by surprise. he keeps getting caught by surprise.
927 00:46:47,853 00:46:49,561 It's not his fault. It's not his fault.
928 00:46:49,645 00:46:53,103 We had never built an intelligence network We had never built an intelligence network
929 00:46:53,186 00:46:55,603 designed to pick this stuff up. designed to pick this stuff up.
930 00:46:55,687 00:46:58,561 But there he is in North Korea But there he is in North Korea
931 00:46:58,645 00:47:00,978 while the north Koreans are inside Sony. while the north Koreans are inside Sony.
932 00:47:01,061 00:47:04,019 And there he was, sitting on a system And there he was, sitting on a system
933 00:47:04,103 00:47:06,728 that failed to raise a timely alarm that failed to raise a timely alarm
934 00:47:06,812 00:47:08,645 to the president of the United States to the president of the United States
935 00:47:08,728 00:47:12,144 that the Russians were inside the Democratic national committee. that the Russians were inside the Democratic national committee.
936 00:47:12,228 00:47:14,186 Much less inside Facebook. Much less inside Facebook.
937 00:47:19,728 00:47:23,937 Clapper: You know, 20/20 hindsight, it's all, it's perfect vision. Clapper: You know, 20/20 hindsight, it's all, it's perfect vision.
938 00:47:24,019 00:47:28,311 At the time, there was concern about publicizing this, At the time, there was concern about publicizing this,
939 00:47:28,395 00:47:32,770 because by doing so, we'd simply amplify its importance. because by doing so, we'd simply amplify its importance.
940 00:47:32,853 00:47:35,812 And I think, as well, there was reluctance And I think, as well, there was reluctance
941 00:47:35,895 00:47:38,520 to be seen by the last administration as to be seen by the last administration as
942 00:47:38,603 00:47:40,436 putting its hand on the scale putting its hand on the scale
943 00:47:40,520 00:47:43,520 in favor of one candidate, or appearing to do that, in favor of one candidate, or appearing to do that,
944 00:47:43,603 00:47:45,645 to the disfavor of the other. to the disfavor of the other.
945 00:47:45,728 00:47:47,687 The system, folks, is rigged. The system, folks, is rigged.
946 00:47:47,770 00:47:51,353 It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system. It's a rigged, disgusting, dirty system.
947 00:47:51,436 00:47:53,395 It's a dirty system. It's a dirty system.
948 00:47:54,269 00:47:56,520 Then candidate trump was alleging Then candidate trump was alleging
949 00:47:56,603 00:47:59,311 that if he didn't win the election, it was rigged. that if he didn't win the election, it was rigged.
950 00:47:59,395 00:48:01,186 So, there was reluctance to, So, there was reluctance to,
951 00:48:01,269 00:48:04,144 you know, to play to that-- to play to that narrative. you know, to play to that-- to play to that narrative.
952 00:48:08,144 00:48:10,728 But the magnitude of what the Russians were doing But the magnitude of what the Russians were doing
953 00:48:10,812 00:48:14,061 grew both in expanse and clarity. grew both in expanse and clarity.
954 00:48:14,144 00:48:16,353 And on the 7th of October, And on the 7th of October,
955 00:48:16,436 00:48:18,770 we finally came out with a public statement, we finally came out with a public statement,
956 00:48:18,853 00:48:20,645 which was a pretty forthcoming statement which was a pretty forthcoming statement
957 00:48:20,728 00:48:22,353 about the Russian interference. about the Russian interference.
958 00:48:22,436 00:48:24,395 Wolf blitzer: There's more breaking news we're following tonight. Wolf blitzer: There's more breaking news we're following tonight.
959 00:48:24,478 00:48:26,728 The United States now openly saying The United States now openly saying
960 00:48:26,812 00:48:30,395 that Russia is directly behind a series of cyber attacks that Russia is directly behind a series of cyber attacks
961 00:48:30,478 00:48:33,061 targeting the upcoming presidential election. targeting the upcoming presidential election.
962 00:48:33,144 00:48:36,061 Well, unfortunately our message was completely emasculated. Well, unfortunately our message was completely emasculated.
963 00:48:36,144 00:48:39,395 A recording of Donald Trump made more than a decade ago... A recording of Donald Trump made more than a decade ago...
964 00:48:39,478 00:48:43,269 Because that's the same day that the "access Hollywood" audio tape came out. Because that's the same day that the "access Hollywood" audio tape came out.
965 00:48:43,353 00:48:45,311 You won't want young children to hear it. You won't want young children to hear it.
966 00:48:53,395 00:48:56,395 The letter from the intelligence community comes out. The letter from the intelligence community comes out.
967 00:48:56,478 00:48:58,728 The "access Hollywood" tape comes out The "access Hollywood" tape comes out
968 00:48:58,812 00:49:00,436 all in one day. all in one day.
969 00:49:00,520 00:49:03,269 And wikileaks starts dumping my emails And wikileaks starts dumping my emails
970 00:49:03,353 00:49:06,144 an hour after the "access Hollywood" tape comes out. an hour after the "access Hollywood" tape comes out.
971 00:49:06,228 00:49:08,478 You can judge whether that's a coincidence. You can judge whether that's a coincidence.
972 00:49:08,561 00:49:10,520 Two thousand more emails have been posted online, Two thousand more emails have been posted online,
973 00:49:10,603 00:49:12,103 apparently from the hacked account apparently from the hacked account
974 00:49:12,186 00:49:14,395 of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John podesta. of Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John podesta.
975 00:49:14,478 00:49:18,269 Thousands of hacked emails from her campaign chairman, John podesta. Thousands of hacked emails from her campaign chairman, John podesta.
976 00:49:18,353 00:49:19,937 Third installment of the hacked emails Third installment of the hacked emails
977 00:49:20,019 00:49:22,603 from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John podesta, from Hillary Clinton's campaign chairman John podesta,
978 00:49:22,687 00:49:24,520 and so far, the messages have provided a look and so far, the messages have provided a look
979 00:49:24,603 00:49:26,978 into the inner workings of the Clinton camp. into the inner workings of the Clinton camp.
980 00:49:27,061 00:49:31,812 Most of those ended up being of little import. Most of those ended up being of little import.
981 00:49:34,645 00:49:36,395 I'm a boring sort of guy. I'm a boring sort of guy.
982 00:49:36,478 00:49:38,561 Newscaster: One email reveals a disagreement Newscaster: One email reveals a disagreement
983 00:49:38,645 00:49:40,687 between top Clinton aide huma abedin between top Clinton aide huma abedin
984 00:49:40,770 00:49:43,103 and podesta over Clinton's press strategy. and podesta over Clinton's press strategy.
985 00:49:43,186 00:49:44,770 A lot of this was gossip. A lot of this was gossip.
986 00:49:44,853 00:49:46,937 Newscaster 2: In another email, a longtime Clinton aide Newscaster 2: In another email, a longtime Clinton aide
987 00:49:47,019 00:49:50,144 refers to Chelsea Clinton as a, quote, "spoiled brat." refers to Chelsea Clinton as a, quote, "spoiled brat."
988 00:49:50,228 00:49:53,687 But people thought, well, if it's secret, But people thought, well, if it's secret,
989 00:49:53,770 00:49:55,687 or if it's stolen, or if it's stolen,
990 00:49:55,770 00:49:57,978 it must be more sexy. it must be more sexy.
991 00:49:58,061 00:49:59,770 It's kind of shadowy. It's kind of shadowy.
992 00:49:59,853 00:50:01,978 "They didn't want you to know this much." "They didn't want you to know this much."
993 00:50:02,061 00:50:03,770 Like any good peek behind the curtains, Like any good peek behind the curtains,
994 00:50:03,853 00:50:06,812 they show things the campaign obviously would rather keep under wraps. they show things the campaign obviously would rather keep under wraps.
995 00:50:06,895 00:50:08,978 The Clinton emails are fascinating The Clinton emails are fascinating
996 00:50:09,061 00:50:10,728 and hilarious reading in some ways. and hilarious reading in some ways.
997 00:50:10,812 00:50:12,853 So is it more like "veep" or is it more like "west wing"? So is it more like "veep" or is it more like "west wing"?
998 00:50:12,937 00:50:16,144 We were very frustrated. We were very frustrated.
999 00:50:16,228 00:50:19,311 The fact that this was a hostile foreign government The fact that this was a hostile foreign government
1000 00:50:19,395 00:50:21,103 interfering in the election interfering in the election
1001 00:50:21,186 00:50:25,353 was never really part of what the coverage was. was never really part of what the coverage was.
1002 00:50:25,436 00:50:28,103 I would just add, you know, this should be of concern to everyone I would just add, you know, this should be of concern to everyone
1003 00:50:28,186 00:50:31,812 that the Russians are trying to influence our election. that the Russians are trying to influence our election.
1004 00:50:31,895 00:50:34,561 Clinton: You know, everybody was clearly informed Clinton: You know, everybody was clearly informed
1005 00:50:34,645 00:50:37,019 about my email mistakes, but they didn't know about my email mistakes, but they didn't know
1006 00:50:37,103 00:50:40,436 there was an active campaign against US by the Russians. there was an active campaign against US by the Russians.
1007 00:50:40,520 00:50:43,812 They did not know that the trump campaign had personnel They did not know that the trump campaign had personnel
1008 00:50:43,895 00:50:47,103 associated with it, who were also being investigated. associated with it, who were also being investigated.
1009 00:50:47,186 00:50:50,353 If you look at trump's campaign the last month, If you look at trump's campaign the last month,
1010 00:50:50,436 00:50:53,687 he mentioned wikileaks over 160 times. he mentioned wikileaks over 160 times.
1011 00:50:53,770 00:50:56,687 And they used the most perverse And they used the most perverse
1012 00:50:56,770 00:50:59,853 twisting of anything in John podesta's emails twisting of anything in John podesta's emails
1013 00:50:59,937 00:51:02,645 to create controversy, to create controversy,
1014 00:51:02,728 00:51:05,186 and, uh, sow distrust. and, uh, sow distrust.
1015 00:51:05,269 00:51:08,687 A Russian news outlet just totally misrepresented one of these emails, A Russian news outlet just totally misrepresented one of these emails,
1016 00:51:08,770 00:51:10,061 and then Donald Trump read it. and then Donald Trump read it.
1017 00:51:10,144 00:51:11,687 She's now admitting that they could have She's now admitting that they could have
1018 00:51:11,770 00:51:13,228 done something about Benghazi. done something about Benghazi.
1019 00:51:13,311 00:51:15,228 This just came out a little while ago. This just came out a little while ago.
1020 00:51:15,311 00:51:17,269 There was, like, an email story every day, There was, like, an email story every day,
1021 00:51:17,353 00:51:20,895 and then comey drops this hand grenade on US. and then comey drops this hand grenade on US.
1022 00:51:20,978 00:51:22,895 Newscaster: The October surprise came in the form Newscaster: The October surprise came in the form
1023 00:51:22,978 00:51:25,186 of a three-paragraph letter to congress of a three-paragraph letter to congress
1024 00:51:25,269 00:51:27,103 from FBI director James comey, from FBI director James comey,
1025 00:51:27,186 00:51:30,061 who wrote that agents on an unrelated case who wrote that agents on an unrelated case
1026 00:51:30,144 00:51:32,061 had learned of the existence of emails had learned of the existence of emails
1027 00:51:32,144 00:51:35,144 that appear to be pertinent to the Clinton investigation. that appear to be pertinent to the Clinton investigation.
1028 00:51:35,228 00:51:37,353 It's the wilderness of mirrors now, It's the wilderness of mirrors now,
1029 00:51:37,436 00:51:39,728 in terms of investigation upon investigation. in terms of investigation upon investigation.
1030 00:51:39,812 00:51:42,812 We have to investigate Hillary Clinton, We have to investigate Hillary Clinton,
1031 00:51:42,895 00:51:47,353 and we have to investigate the investigation. and we have to investigate the investigation.
1032 00:51:47,436 00:51:49,895 Podesta: This is out of a Russian playbook. Podesta: This is out of a Russian playbook.
1033 00:51:49,978 00:51:52,395 "When nothing is real, everything is possible," "When nothing is real, everything is possible,"
1034 00:51:52,478 00:51:53,895 as one of putin's critics said. as one of putin's critics said.
1035 00:51:53,978 00:51:55,978 I don't think anybody knows it was Russia I don't think anybody knows it was Russia
1036 00:51:56,061 00:51:58,812 that broke into the dnc. She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia. that broke into the dnc. She's saying Russia, Russia, Russia.
1037 00:51:58,895 00:52:00,561 But I don't-- maybe it was. But I don't-- maybe it was.
1038 00:52:00,645 00:52:02,603 It also could be somebody sitting on their bed It also could be somebody sitting on their bed
1039 00:52:02,687 00:52:05,269 that weighs 400 pounds, okay? that weighs 400 pounds, okay?
1040 00:52:05,353 00:52:07,687 It begins to kind of It begins to kind of
1041 00:52:07,770 00:52:10,770 destroy any trust that people have. destroy any trust that people have.
1042 00:52:10,853 00:52:12,228 Do you make the same commitment Do you make the same commitment
1043 00:52:12,311 00:52:14,937 that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? that you will absolutely accept the result of this election?
1044 00:52:15,019 00:52:16,812 I will look at it at the time. I will look at it at the time.
1045 00:52:16,895 00:52:20,812 And that really destroys the credibility of democracy. And that really destroys the credibility of democracy.
1046 00:52:20,895 00:52:22,978 That's what putin wants. That's what putin wants.
1047 00:52:27,144 00:52:31,728 Brian Williams: We look at our electronic superimposed map of the nation Brian Williams: We look at our electronic superimposed map of the nation
1048 00:52:31,812 00:52:34,603 here out back 30 rockefeller Plaza here out back 30 rockefeller Plaza
1049 00:52:34,687 00:52:37,520 in New York, where the sun will be rising, in New York, where the sun will be rising,
1050 00:52:37,603 00:52:40,770 uh, on the president-elect Donald John trump uh, on the president-elect Donald John trump
1051 00:52:40,853 00:52:42,937 of queens, New York. of queens, New York.
1052 00:52:43,019 00:52:46,103 (Cheering) (Cheering)
1053 00:52:53,228 00:52:55,853 I felt like, you know, my insides had fallen out. I felt like, you know, my insides had fallen out.
1054 00:52:55,937 00:53:00,103 It's like, I mean... Devastating. It's like, I mean... Devastating.
1055 00:53:06,353 00:53:10,061 Sanger: For months, the newly elected president is under fire Sanger: For months, the newly elected president is under fire
1056 00:53:10,144 00:53:12,520 for how he's dealing with Russia. for how he's dealing with Russia.
1057 00:53:12,603 00:53:14,019 I know a lot about hacking. I know a lot about hacking.
1058 00:53:14,103 00:53:16,061 And hacking is a very hard thing to prove. And hacking is a very hard thing to prove.
1059 00:53:16,144 00:53:17,687 So, it could be somebody else. So, it could be somebody else.
1060 00:53:17,770 00:53:21,269 And I also know things that other people don't know, And I also know things that other people don't know,
1061 00:53:21,353 00:53:26,395 and so, they cannot be sure of this situation. and so, they cannot be sure of this situation.
1062 00:53:26,478 00:53:31,353 And everybody is awaiting his first meeting ever with Vladimir putin. And everybody is awaiting his first meeting ever with Vladimir putin.
1063 00:53:31,436 00:53:33,770 Which took place in Hamburg, Germany. Which took place in Hamburg, Germany.
1064 00:53:35,269 00:53:37,019 So we all fly into Hamburg. So we all fly into Hamburg.
1065 00:53:37,103 00:53:39,728 Trump meets putin, first time. Trump meets putin, first time.
1066 00:53:39,812 00:53:41,520 Has a long conversation with him. Has a long conversation with him.
1067 00:53:41,603 00:53:43,520 Then at the dinner that night, Then at the dinner that night,
1068 00:53:43,603 00:53:46,353 goes off and has a separate conversation with him goes off and has a separate conversation with him
1069 00:53:46,436 00:53:48,353 that no one else has witnessed. that no one else has witnessed.
1070 00:53:48,436 00:53:52,770 President putin and I have been discussing various things, President putin and I have been discussing various things,
1071 00:53:52,853 00:53:54,395 and I think it's going very well. and I think it's going very well.
1072 00:53:54,478 00:53:57,061 We've had some very, very good talks. We've had some very, very good talks.
1073 00:53:57,144 00:53:59,395 I head back to my hotel room, I head back to my hotel room,
1074 00:53:59,478 00:54:03,228 and as I'm checking out, my cell phone rings. and as I'm checking out, my cell phone rings.
1075 00:54:03,311 00:54:04,978 It's the president. It's the president.
1076 00:54:05,061 00:54:09,061 "David, I just had the most remarkable conversation "David, I just had the most remarkable conversation
1077 00:54:09,144 00:54:10,853 "with Vladimir putin. "with Vladimir putin.
1078 00:54:10,937 00:54:13,186 "And he tells me, "And he tells me,
1079 00:54:13,269 00:54:14,895 "that if it had been the Russians "that if it had been the Russians
1080 00:54:14,978 00:54:17,561 "who had meddled in the election, "who had meddled in the election,
1081 00:54:17,645 00:54:19,645 "we never would have seen them. "we never would have seen them.
1082 00:54:19,728 00:54:21,395 "And therefore, it couldn't have been them, "And therefore, it couldn't have been them,
1083 00:54:21,478 00:54:22,853 "because they wouldn't have been this sloppy. "because they wouldn't have been this sloppy.
1084 00:54:22,937 00:54:25,978 "You write about this stuff. You know about all of this. "You write about this stuff. You know about all of this.
1085 00:54:26,061 00:54:28,061 He must be right." He must be right."
1086 00:54:28,144 00:54:31,395 The president was actually looking for affirmation. The president was actually looking for affirmation.
1087 00:54:31,478 00:54:35,353 He was looking for any way to deny He was looking for any way to deny
1088 00:54:35,436 00:54:37,812 or cast doubt about the question of whether or cast doubt about the question of whether
1089 00:54:37,895 00:54:40,353 the Russians were behind the hack. the Russians were behind the hack.
1090 00:54:40,436 00:54:42,478 And at that moment you knew And at that moment you knew
1091 00:54:42,561 00:54:44,353 that the United States government that the United States government
1092 00:54:44,436 00:54:46,728 was not going to organize itself was not going to organize itself
1093 00:54:46,812 00:54:49,103 to push back on the Russians. to push back on the Russians.
1094 00:54:49,186 00:54:53,311
1095 00:54:55,353 00:54:57,311 Newscaster: Let's be clear from the outset. Newscaster: Let's be clear from the outset.
1096 00:54:57,395 00:55:01,103 This is unlike any cyber attack that we have seen before. This is unlike any cyber attack that we have seen before.
1097 00:55:01,186 00:55:03,269 Newscaster 2: We want to start on this Wednesday morning Newscaster 2: We want to start on this Wednesday morning
1098 00:55:03,353 00:55:04,603 with that crippling cyber attack. with that crippling cyber attack.
1099 00:55:04,687 00:55:06,520 It's a new form of ransomware... It's a new form of ransomware...
1100 00:55:06,603 00:55:08,645 It is hitting companies around the world It is hitting companies around the world
1101 00:55:08,728 00:55:12,186 holding their computer systems hostage for money. holding their computer systems hostage for money.
1102 00:55:12,269 00:55:16,395 Spaulding: In 2017, shortly after trump came into office, Spaulding: In 2017, shortly after trump came into office,
1103 00:55:16,478 00:55:19,103 we saw a dramatic escalation we saw a dramatic escalation
1104 00:55:19,186 00:55:23,978 in the scale and the scope and the nature of cyber attacks. in the scale and the scope and the nature of cyber attacks.
1105 00:55:24,061 00:55:28,311 There was a massive ransomware attack called "notpetya" There was a massive ransomware attack called "notpetya"
1106 00:55:28,395 00:55:31,186 that started in Ukraine. that started in Ukraine.
1107 00:55:34,311 00:55:36,728 Dmytro shymkiv: It was June 2017. Dmytro shymkiv: It was June 2017.
1108 00:55:36,812 00:55:40,478 I'm deputy head of the presidential administration. I'm deputy head of the presidential administration.
1109 00:55:40,561 00:55:44,895 Took a few days' vacation to drop my, uh, kids to the summer camp. Took a few days' vacation to drop my, uh, kids to the summer camp.
1110 00:55:44,978 00:55:48,061 And in the morning, I start receiving text messages from my team. And in the morning, I start receiving text messages from my team.
1111 00:55:48,978 00:55:51,895 "We think Ukraine is under attack." "We think Ukraine is under attack."
1112 00:55:51,978 00:55:54,395 "Our infrastructure is registering attacks. "Our infrastructure is registering attacks.
1113 00:55:54,478 00:55:57,019 The virus is destroying computers." The virus is destroying computers."
1114 00:55:57,103 00:55:59,019 You know, atm machines were not working. You know, atm machines were not working.
1115 00:55:59,103 00:56:01,978 Hospitals reported their computers being down. Hospitals reported their computers being down.
1116 00:56:02,061 00:56:05,353 TV station, grocery stores... TV station, grocery stores...
1117 00:56:05,436 00:56:09,144 It was devastating. It was spreading like fire. It was devastating. It was spreading like fire.
1118 00:56:10,561 00:56:13,770 Sanger: Ukraine is Vladimir putin's petri dish. Sanger: Ukraine is Vladimir putin's petri dish.
1119 00:56:13,853 00:56:18,353 It's where he experiments on every single technique It's where he experiments on every single technique
1120 00:56:18,436 00:56:22,395 that he ultimately ended up using in the United States. that he ultimately ended up using in the United States.
1121 00:56:22,478 00:56:25,395 Breaking into emails, and making them public. Breaking into emails, and making them public.
1122 00:56:25,478 00:56:29,228 Sowing chaos with disinformation. Sowing chaos with disinformation.
1123 00:56:29,311 00:56:32,687 Shymkiv: Russia was constantly testing different strategies, Shymkiv: Russia was constantly testing different strategies,
1124 00:56:32,770 00:56:35,186 and different approaches, in Ukraine. and different approaches, in Ukraine.
1125 00:56:35,269 00:56:37,353 Attacks on the electrical grid, Attacks on the electrical grid,
1126 00:56:37,436 00:56:40,061 2015, 2016. 2015, 2016.
1127 00:56:40,144 00:56:43,186 Attack on the transportation infrastructure. Attack on the transportation infrastructure.
1128 00:56:43,269 00:56:47,395 Odessa airport, Ukrainian subway in Kiev. Odessa airport, Ukrainian subway in Kiev.
1129 00:56:47,478 00:56:50,353 You don't see the regular war. You don't see the regular war.
1130 00:56:50,436 00:56:54,311 But war is taking place, and it's devastating. But war is taking place, and it's devastating.
1131 00:56:55,311 00:56:57,228 Alperovitch: With its notpetya attack, Alperovitch: With its notpetya attack,
1132 00:56:57,311 00:56:59,228 what the Russians didn't count on what the Russians didn't count on
1133 00:56:59,311 00:57:02,228 is that the spreading algorithms that they put in is that the spreading algorithms that they put in
1134 00:57:02,311 00:57:03,853 were so aggressive that were so aggressive that
1135 00:57:03,937 00:57:06,395 it wouldn't just contain itself to the network of one company. it wouldn't just contain itself to the network of one company.
1136 00:57:06,478 00:57:09,228 Newscaster: Any firms with any links to Ukraine Newscaster: Any firms with any links to Ukraine
1137 00:57:09,311 00:57:12,645 are being contaminated by this contagious virus. are being contaminated by this contagious virus.
1138 00:57:12,728 00:57:16,395 It would quickly jump out, and compromise contractors, It would quickly jump out, and compromise contractors,
1139 00:57:16,478 00:57:18,395 other networks that you may be connected with. other networks that you may be connected with.
1140 00:57:18,478 00:57:21,061 It escapes the box, and it begins to hit the corporations It escapes the box, and it begins to hit the corporations
1141 00:57:21,144 00:57:22,603 and companies all around the world. and companies all around the world.
1142 00:57:22,687 00:57:24,978 Zegart: Maersk shipping was one. Zegart: Maersk shipping was one.
1143 00:57:25,061 00:57:26,853 Fedex was another. Fedex was another.
1144 00:57:26,937 00:57:29,436 They lost hundreds of millions of dollars of business They lost hundreds of millions of dollars of business
1145 00:57:29,520 00:57:32,186 just from the loss of business operations just from the loss of business operations
1146 00:57:32,269 00:57:34,311 and the money they had to pay to remediate and the money they had to pay to remediate
1147 00:57:34,395 00:57:36,687 the damage to their systems. the damage to their systems.
1148 00:57:37,687 00:57:39,978 Sanger: There was one other aspect Sanger: There was one other aspect
1149 00:57:40,061 00:57:42,186 to the notpetya attacks to the notpetya attacks
1150 00:57:42,269 00:57:46,144 that made this story really complicated. that made this story really complicated.
1151 00:57:46,228 00:57:49,561 It turned out that a component of the attacks It turned out that a component of the attacks
1152 00:57:49,645 00:57:53,061 had relied on code that had been stolen had relied on code that had been stolen
1153 00:57:53,144 00:57:56,311 from inside the NSA. from inside the NSA.
1154 00:57:57,228 00:57:59,144 In the summer of 2016, In the summer of 2016,
1155 00:57:59,228 00:58:02,812 a group that called itself theshadowbrokers a group that called itself theshadowbrokers
1156 00:58:02,895 00:58:07,228 began posting thousands of lines of this code began posting thousands of lines of this code
1157 00:58:07,311 00:58:09,770 to make it clear to the NSA to make it clear to the NSA
1158 00:58:09,853 00:58:12,353 that they had the crown jewels. that they had the crown jewels.
1159 00:58:13,561 00:58:16,269 Before long, the north Koreans Before long, the north Koreans
1160 00:58:16,353 00:58:18,645 used parts of the shadowbrokers code used parts of the shadowbrokers code
1161 00:58:18,728 00:58:22,687 when they attacked with a weapon called wannacry. when they attacked with a weapon called wannacry.
1162 00:58:22,770 00:58:25,687 Newscaster 1: This specific worm that was leaked from the NSA's toolkit Newscaster 1: This specific worm that was leaked from the NSA's toolkit
1163 00:58:25,770 00:58:27,103 targeted Microsoft windows. targeted Microsoft windows.
1164 00:58:27,186 00:58:29,144 Newscaster 2: Windows-based computers in the US Newscaster 2: Windows-based computers in the US
1165 00:58:29,228 00:58:32,353 and across the globe could be at risk. and across the globe could be at risk.
1166 00:58:35,645 00:58:38,395 Brad Smith: I will always remember on that morning, Brad Smith: I will always remember on that morning,
1167 00:58:38,478 00:58:41,728 sitting in the meeting of Microsoft's senior leadership team. sitting in the meeting of Microsoft's senior leadership team.
1168 00:58:41,812 00:58:44,353 And all of a sudden, people are seeing emails And all of a sudden, people are seeing emails
1169 00:58:44,436 00:58:45,978 pop up on their screen. pop up on their screen.
1170 00:58:46,061 00:58:49,353 Reports from one customer after another. "What's going on?" Reports from one customer after another. "What's going on?"
1171 00:58:49,436 00:58:53,269 We're getting details of this massive international cyber attack today. We're getting details of this massive international cyber attack today.
1172 00:58:53,353 00:58:56,812 Hackers demanding money have paralyzed computers Hackers demanding money have paralyzed computers
1173 00:58:56,895 00:58:59,853 in at least 99 countries. in at least 99 countries.
1174 00:58:59,937 00:59:01,937 Smith: You could almost see this worm Smith: You could almost see this worm
1175 00:59:02,019 00:59:03,978 moving with the time zones moving with the time zones
1176 00:59:04,061 00:59:08,228 across the Atlantic ocean from Europe to North America. across the Atlantic ocean from Europe to North America.
1177 00:59:11,019 00:59:14,311 Sanger: It was as if we had lost the blueprints Sanger: It was as if we had lost the blueprints
1178 00:59:14,395 00:59:16,353 for an American missile. for an American missile.
1179 00:59:16,436 00:59:20,228 The north Koreans and the Russians had grabbed it, The north Koreans and the Russians had grabbed it,
1180 00:59:20,311 00:59:22,728 improved upon it, designed a prototype, improved upon it, designed a prototype,
1181 00:59:22,812 00:59:27,478 and shot it back at American allies and friends. and shot it back at American allies and friends.
1182 00:59:27,561 00:59:31,728 It attacked 155 countries in one day. It attacked 155 countries in one day.
1183 00:59:31,812 00:59:34,103 In the history of humanity, In the history of humanity,
1184 00:59:34,186 00:59:37,978 no weapon has ever been fired by a single country no weapon has ever been fired by a single country
1185 00:59:38,061 00:59:41,978 in a way that hit so many other nations simultaneously. in a way that hit so many other nations simultaneously.
1186 00:59:44,561 00:59:47,186 Sanger: The volume of attacks is escalating. Sanger: The volume of attacks is escalating.
1187 00:59:47,269 00:59:50,561 The sophistication of attacks is escalating. The sophistication of attacks is escalating.
1188 00:59:50,645 00:59:53,853 And the debate about how to go deal with it And the debate about how to go deal with it
1189 00:59:53,937 00:59:57,019 is only getting more and more confusing. is only getting more and more confusing.
1190 01:00:06,478 01:00:09,436 Brandon Scott: It was my first day as council president. Brandon Scott: It was my first day as council president.
1191 01:00:09,520 01:00:11,478 It was about 12 o'clock in the morning. It was about 12 o'clock in the morning.
1192 01:00:11,561 01:00:14,520 I'm on my work phone and I try to get into my email, I'm on my work phone and I try to get into my email,
1193 01:00:14,603 01:00:16,186 and it doesn't work. and it doesn't work.
1194 01:00:16,269 01:00:18,937 And then I get onto my surface pro, and it doesn't work. And then I get onto my surface pro, and it doesn't work.
1195 01:00:19,019 01:00:21,520 And so I start to call some other folks that I knew would be up And so I start to call some other folks that I knew would be up
1196 01:00:21,603 01:00:23,687 and I was told that we had been hacked. and I was told that we had been hacked.
1197 01:00:24,978 01:00:27,603 We had been hit by a ransomware attack. We had been hit by a ransomware attack.
1198 01:00:27,687 01:00:29,144 We were advised by-- We were advised by--
1199 01:00:29,228 01:00:31,687 uh, the administration but also from the federal government-- uh, the administration but also from the federal government--
1200 01:00:31,770 01:00:34,144 that we should not pay that ransom. that we should not pay that ransom.
1201 01:00:34,228 01:00:37,770 We couldn't communicate with the people that we normally communicate with. We couldn't communicate with the people that we normally communicate with.
1202 01:00:37,853 01:00:40,228 People couldn't come in and fill out for their permits. People couldn't come in and fill out for their permits.
1203 01:00:40,311 01:00:41,937 Real estate deals could not be done. Real estate deals could not be done.
1204 01:00:42,019 01:00:43,144 Bills could not be paid. Bills could not be paid.
1205 01:00:43,228 01:00:44,478 Parking tickets could not be paid. Parking tickets could not be paid.
1206 01:00:44,561 01:00:45,978 Fines could not be paid. Fines could not be paid.
1207 01:00:46,061 01:00:48,978 We're talking about lots and lots of business in the city We're talking about lots and lots of business in the city
1208 01:00:49,061 01:00:50,395 that could not be done that could not be done
1209 01:00:50,478 01:00:52,478 because the systems were crippled because the systems were crippled
1210 01:00:52,561 01:00:54,561 and pushed down to a halt. and pushed down to a halt.
1211 01:00:54,645 01:00:59,061 I lost, you know, literally 12 years of files. I lost, you know, literally 12 years of files.
1212 01:00:59,144 01:01:01,812 Interviewer: What was the cost to Baltimore, ultimately? Interviewer: What was the cost to Baltimore, ultimately?
1213 01:01:01,895 01:01:04,019 Yeah, it was upwards of $15 million, Yeah, it was upwards of $15 million,
1214 01:01:04,103 01:01:08,436 is what we had to, to pay out and to rebuild, and build better systems. is what we had to, to pay out and to rebuild, and build better systems.
1215 01:01:08,520 01:01:11,478 Interviewer: And the original ransom was far less than that. Interviewer: And the original ransom was far less than that.
1216 01:01:11,561 01:01:12,978 Far less than that, but, you know, Far less than that, but, you know,
1217 01:01:13,061 01:01:16,144 the mayor made a decision based on the advice of, the mayor made a decision based on the advice of,
1218 01:01:16,228 01:01:19,561 uh, public safety experts to not pay it. uh, public safety experts to not pay it.
1219 01:01:22,561 01:01:26,853 Sanger: Cites across america have been paralyzed. Sanger: Cites across america have been paralyzed.
1220 01:01:26,937 01:01:29,853 And some of them, including one small town in Florida, And some of them, including one small town in Florida,
1221 01:01:29,937 01:01:32,103 decided it was cheaper to pay the ransom decided it was cheaper to pay the ransom
1222 01:01:32,186 01:01:34,770 than to try to go rebuild the databases. than to try to go rebuild the databases.
1223 01:01:36,937 01:01:38,687 Scott: Cites and governments around the country, Scott: Cites and governments around the country,
1224 01:01:38,770 01:01:41,436 businesses around the country, non-profits around the country, businesses around the country, non-profits around the country,
1225 01:01:41,520 01:01:43,186 school systems around the country, school systems around the country,
1226 01:01:43,269 01:01:46,186 have to understand that this is the world that we live in now. have to understand that this is the world that we live in now.
1227 01:01:46,269 01:01:48,478 Right? This is the new normal. Right? This is the new normal.
1228 01:01:58,436 01:02:01,937 Richard burr: Secretary Nielsen, looking ahead to 2018, Richard burr: Secretary Nielsen, looking ahead to 2018,
1229 01:02:02,019 01:02:06,103 what is dhs's current estimation what is dhs's current estimation
1230 01:02:06,186 01:02:08,436 of the threat to our elections, of the threat to our elections,
1231 01:02:08,520 01:02:12,228 from Russia, or any other hostile actor? from Russia, or any other hostile actor?
1232 01:02:12,311 01:02:13,978 We think the threat remains high. We think the threat remains high.
1233 01:02:14,061 01:02:15,478 Uh, we think vigilance is important, Uh, we think vigilance is important,
1234 01:02:15,561 01:02:18,186 and we think there's a lot that we all need to do, and we think there's a lot that we all need to do,
1235 01:02:18,269 01:02:19,770 uh, at all levels of government, uh, at all levels of government,
1236 01:02:19,853 01:02:22,311 uh, before we have the midterm elections. uh, before we have the midterm elections.
1237 01:02:25,395 01:02:27,269 When it comes to elections, When it comes to elections,
1238 01:02:27,353 01:02:29,561 the president never, uh, understandably, the president never, uh, understandably,
1239 01:02:29,645 01:02:32,478 never wanted the results of the elec-- never wanted the results of the elec--
1240 01:02:32,561 01:02:34,937 of the election to be questioned. of the election to be questioned.
1241 01:02:35,645 01:02:37,395 It was very difficult, It was very difficult,
1242 01:02:37,478 01:02:41,353 but those who need to be focused on the elections, but those who need to be focused on the elections,
1243 01:02:41,436 01:02:43,561 they know what they need to do. they know what they need to do.
1244 01:02:43,645 01:02:46,353 The people who need to do the work that needs to be done, The people who need to do the work that needs to be done,
1245 01:02:46,436 01:02:50,311 have really dug in and, and recognized the, the threat. have really dug in and, and recognized the, the threat.
1246 01:02:55,561 01:02:57,687 Sanger: When he was running for president, Sanger: When he was running for president,
1247 01:02:57,770 01:03:01,353 trump had not really thought about cyber. trump had not really thought about cyber.
1248 01:03:01,436 01:03:03,853 I don't think he had even heard about stuxnet. I don't think he had even heard about stuxnet.
1249 01:03:03,937 01:03:07,186 He certainly never registered what it was all about. He certainly never registered what it was all about.
1250 01:03:08,186 01:03:11,311 He said to me at one point, "oh. The cyber. He said to me at one point, "oh. The cyber.
1251 01:03:11,395 01:03:13,687 The cyber is very powerful." The cyber is very powerful."
1252 01:03:15,937 01:03:19,228 But candidate trump said he wanted to pull American troops But candidate trump said he wanted to pull American troops
1253 01:03:19,311 01:03:23,228 out of the middle east, out of South Korea, out of Japan. out of the middle east, out of South Korea, out of Japan.
1254 01:03:23,311 01:03:26,770 So he saw cyber as this magic bullet. So he saw cyber as this magic bullet.
1255 01:03:26,853 01:03:30,853 Today I'm convening this meeting to follow through Today I'm convening this meeting to follow through
1256 01:03:30,937 01:03:35,478 on my promise to secure crucial infrastructure. on my promise to secure crucial infrastructure.
1257 01:03:35,561 01:03:38,353 And the networks that we've been talking so much about And the networks that we've been talking so much about
1258 01:03:38,436 01:03:41,645 over the last period of time of the federal government over the last period of time of the federal government
1259 01:03:41,728 01:03:44,895 against cyber threats. against cyber threats.
1260 01:03:51,895 01:03:54,603 Sanger: By the time trump became president, Sanger: By the time trump became president,
1261 01:03:54,687 01:03:59,520 the United States had built up this massive, offensive cyber program. the United States had built up this massive, offensive cyber program.
1262 01:04:03,353 01:04:05,812 It had gone after North Korea's missiles. It had gone after North Korea's missiles.
1263 01:04:05,895 01:04:07,812 Newscaster: North Korea has once again attempted to launch Newscaster: North Korea has once again attempted to launch
1264 01:04:07,895 01:04:09,395 a ballistic missile, and failed. a ballistic missile, and failed.
1265 01:04:09,478 01:04:12,103 Newscaster 2: They Mark the second and third launch failures. Newscaster 2: They Mark the second and third launch failures.
1266 01:04:12,186 01:04:14,561 Newscaster 3: Another failure. Newscaster 3: Another failure.
1267 01:04:14,645 01:04:18,853 Using code to send those missiles spinning into the sea. Using code to send those missiles spinning into the sea.
1268 01:04:18,937 01:04:22,687 (Exploding) (Exploding)
1269 01:04:22,770 01:04:27,061 It had gone after the Isis recruitment system. It had gone after the Isis recruitment system.
1270 01:04:27,144 01:04:30,687 It was called "operation glowing symphony." It was called "operation glowing symphony."
1271 01:04:30,770 01:04:34,603 And the idea basically was to knock Isis offline. And the idea basically was to knock Isis offline.
1272 01:04:37,061 01:04:40,645 But one of the key lessons of the Obama administration But one of the key lessons of the Obama administration
1273 01:04:40,728 01:04:44,687 was that despite developing all these new capabilities, was that despite developing all these new capabilities,
1274 01:04:44,770 01:04:49,228 it took far too long to get cyber operations approved. it took far too long to get cyber operations approved.
1275 01:04:50,853 01:04:53,311 Rosenbach: During the time I was in the department of defense, Rosenbach: During the time I was in the department of defense,
1276 01:04:53,395 01:04:55,353 not even the secretary of defense not even the secretary of defense
1277 01:04:55,436 01:04:57,228 could approve an offensive cyber operation. could approve an offensive cyber operation.
1278 01:04:57,311 01:04:59,061 That was only the president of the United States. That was only the president of the United States.
1279 01:04:59,144 01:05:01,687 President Trump has taken a very different approach, President Trump has taken a very different approach,
1280 01:05:01,770 01:05:05,061 where he's delegated the approval authority where he's delegated the approval authority
1281 01:05:05,144 01:05:07,186 to a lot of offensive cyber operations, to a lot of offensive cyber operations,
1282 01:05:07,269 01:05:08,937 not only to the secretary of defense, not only to the secretary of defense,
1283 01:05:09,019 01:05:11,937 but to the commander of cyber command. but to the commander of cyber command.
1284 01:05:12,019 01:05:14,311 Dan Sullivan: What do you think our adversaries think right now? Dan Sullivan: What do you think our adversaries think right now?
1285 01:05:14,395 01:05:17,812 If you do a cyber attack on america, what's gonna happen to 'em? If you do a cyber attack on america, what's gonna happen to 'em?
1286 01:05:17,895 01:05:20,812 So, basically, uh, I would say right now, um, So, basically, uh, I would say right now, um,
1287 01:05:20,895 01:05:23,311 they do not, um, think that much will happen to them. they do not, um, think that much will happen to them.
1288 01:05:23,395 01:05:26,144 -Sullivan: They don't fear US. -They don't fear US. -Sullivan: They don't fear US. -They don't fear US.
1289 01:05:27,978 01:05:30,770 Sanger: Once general nakasone took over at the NSA Sanger: Once general nakasone took over at the NSA
1290 01:05:30,853 01:05:32,061 and cyber command, and cyber command,
1291 01:05:32,144 01:05:34,103 he put together within the organization he put together within the organization
1292 01:05:34,186 01:05:36,228 something called the Russia small group, something called the Russia small group,
1293 01:05:36,311 01:05:41,395 who were determined to take an aggressive stance against the Russians. who were determined to take an aggressive stance against the Russians.
1294 01:05:43,353 01:05:46,978 For several years, the United States had warned For several years, the United States had warned
1295 01:05:47,061 01:05:51,061 that Russian hackers were inside the US electric grid. that Russian hackers were inside the US electric grid.
1296 01:05:51,812 01:05:53,436 In 2018, In 2018,
1297 01:05:53,520 01:05:56,603 the NSA took American-made code the NSA took American-made code
1298 01:05:56,687 01:06:01,103 and put it inside the Russian electric grid. and put it inside the Russian electric grid.
1299 01:06:01,186 01:06:03,228 And they designed some of it And they designed some of it
1300 01:06:03,311 01:06:06,061 in a way to make sure the Russians saw them. in a way to make sure the Russians saw them.
1301 01:06:07,019 01:06:08,770 It was supposed to say, It was supposed to say,
1302 01:06:08,853 01:06:11,103 "we're not gonna do this in a covert way. "we're not gonna do this in a covert way.
1303 01:06:11,186 01:06:13,269 "We're gonna make you understand "We're gonna make you understand
1304 01:06:13,353 01:06:14,687 what the price will be." what the price will be."
1305 01:06:18,937 01:06:21,186 Rosenbach: There were also a series of messages Rosenbach: There were also a series of messages
1306 01:06:21,269 01:06:23,645 sent to Russian influence operatives sent to Russian influence operatives
1307 01:06:23,728 01:06:25,812 that said, "we know who you are. that said, "we know who you are.
1308 01:06:25,895 01:06:28,478 "If you continue to conduct cyber attacks, "If you continue to conduct cyber attacks,
1309 01:06:28,561 01:06:32,228 "and if you try to target the election in 2018, "and if you try to target the election in 2018,
1310 01:06:32,311 01:06:33,728 there will be repercussions." there will be repercussions."
1311 01:06:33,812 01:06:35,978 There were very targeted cyber operations There were very targeted cyber operations
1312 01:06:36,061 01:06:37,895 to make it clear that we knew who was doing what, to make it clear that we knew who was doing what,
1313 01:06:37,978 01:06:41,269 and we were gonna degrade their capability to succeed. and we were gonna degrade their capability to succeed.
1314 01:06:44,478 01:06:47,687 Healey: In 2018, in the lead-up to election day, Healey: In 2018, in the lead-up to election day,
1315 01:06:47,770 01:06:52,186 cyber command takes down the Russian Internet research agency. cyber command takes down the Russian Internet research agency.
1316 01:06:52,269 01:06:55,770 They got in there, and really took apart their home network. They got in there, and really took apart their home network.
1317 01:06:55,853 01:06:57,144 Really disabled it, Really disabled it,
1318 01:06:57,228 01:06:58,937 so that they wouldn't be able so that they wouldn't be able
1319 01:06:59,019 01:07:01,061 to conduct their social media campaign. to conduct their social media campaign.
1320 01:07:03,603 01:07:06,436 Hultquist: This was a very forward-leaning operation. Hultquist: This was a very forward-leaning operation.
1321 01:07:06,520 01:07:09,269 It looked to be pretty successful. It looked to be pretty successful.
1322 01:07:09,353 01:07:12,978 Russian actors were somewhat quiet during that period. Russian actors were somewhat quiet during that period.
1323 01:07:14,186 01:07:15,895 The question is, how long will that last? The question is, how long will that last?
1324 01:07:15,978 01:07:20,269 Can we defend forward against every, you know, potential actor? Can we defend forward against every, you know, potential actor?
1325 01:07:22,645 01:07:23,937 (Static) (Static)
1326 01:07:24,019 01:07:25,520 Reporter: Good morning, Sandra and ed. Reporter: Good morning, Sandra and ed.
1327 01:07:25,603 01:07:27,853 And now it is up to the Iowa voters. And now it is up to the Iowa voters.
1328 01:07:27,937 01:07:30,895 Reporter 2: Iowans in more than 1,600 precincts are gathering Reporter 2: Iowans in more than 1,600 precincts are gathering
1329 01:07:30,978 01:07:34,561 to back the person they want to win the Democratic presidential nomination. to back the person they want to win the Democratic presidential nomination.
1330 01:07:34,645 01:07:36,311 Pete butteigeig: My purpose here is very simple. Pete butteigeig: My purpose here is very simple.
1331 01:07:36,395 01:07:38,687 It's to come before you one more time It's to come before you one more time
1332 01:07:38,770 01:07:41,520 and ask you to caucus for me. and ask you to caucus for me.
1333 01:07:41,603 01:07:44,228 Chuck Todd: We are still awaiting the first official results Chuck Todd: We are still awaiting the first official results
1334 01:07:44,311 01:07:45,561 given to US by the party. given to US by the party.
1335 01:07:45,645 01:07:48,311 Obviously, things are going a bit slow for them. Obviously, things are going a bit slow for them.
1336 01:07:48,395 01:07:51,937 Sixteen hours since the Iowa caucuses began. Sixteen hours since the Iowa caucuses began.
1337 01:07:52,019 01:07:53,728 We're still waiting for the results. We're still waiting for the results.
1338 01:07:53,812 01:07:57,061 The app didn't work. No one knew if it would. The app didn't work. No one knew if it would.
1339 01:07:57,144 01:07:59,478 This is, so far, not so good. This is, so far, not so good.
1340 01:08:01,937 01:08:03,728 Iowa was exactly my worst fear. Iowa was exactly my worst fear.
1341 01:08:03,812 01:08:08,353 The biggest concern was that voters would not be able to trust the system. The biggest concern was that voters would not be able to trust the system.
1342 01:08:08,436 01:08:10,061 What about the confidence in the vote? What about the confidence in the vote?
1343 01:08:10,144 01:08:11,895 Especially with, against the backdrop Especially with, against the backdrop
1344 01:08:11,978 01:08:13,687 of the Russian interference in 2016. of the Russian interference in 2016.
1345 01:08:13,770 01:08:17,144 What Iowa is demonstrating to adversaries of the United States is What Iowa is demonstrating to adversaries of the United States is
1346 01:08:17,228 01:08:19,269 all they have to do is create that appearance. all they have to do is create that appearance.
1347 01:08:19,353 01:08:22,103 And they probably don't even have to create their own disinformation. And they probably don't even have to create their own disinformation.
1348 01:08:22,186 01:08:23,937 American partisans will do it for them. American partisans will do it for them.
1349 01:08:24,019 01:08:25,895 News anchor: The president's son was saying it's rigged. News anchor: The president's son was saying it's rigged.
1350 01:08:25,978 01:08:27,228 The president's campaign manager. The president's campaign manager.
1351 01:08:27,311 01:08:28,603 Jake tapper: The biden campaign is out there Jake tapper: The biden campaign is out there
1352 01:08:28,687 01:08:30,436 openly saying they don't trust openly saying they don't trust
1353 01:08:30,520 01:08:31,770 what the results will be. what the results will be.
1354 01:08:31,853 01:08:35,061 They've created what's called a perception hack. They've created what's called a perception hack.
1355 01:08:35,144 01:08:38,061 Our mind immediately goes to the question, Our mind immediately goes to the question,
1356 01:08:38,144 01:08:40,478 "are the Russians messing with our election?" "are the Russians messing with our election?"
1357 01:08:40,561 01:08:42,853 It doesn't matter whether they are or they aren't. It doesn't matter whether they are or they aren't.
1358 01:08:42,937 01:08:45,937 This is one of the confusing aspects of election security. This is one of the confusing aspects of election security.
1359 01:08:46,019 01:08:48,937 It's not just about trying to hack into computers. It's not just about trying to hack into computers.
1360 01:08:49,019 01:08:51,395 There's another aspect of election interference There's another aspect of election interference
1361 01:08:51,478 01:08:53,311 that's about trying to hack into your brain. that's about trying to hack into your brain.
1362 01:08:53,395 01:08:55,561 They're ultimately trying to get the American people They're ultimately trying to get the American people
1363 01:08:55,645 01:08:58,269 to lose confidence in the system. to lose confidence in the system.
1364 01:08:58,353 01:09:00,228 That the system is beyond repair. That the system is beyond repair.
1365 01:09:00,311 01:09:03,478 That the system is broken, and their vote doesn't matter. That the system is broken, and their vote doesn't matter.
1366 01:09:03,561 01:09:06,978 US officials have now told, uh, senator Bernie Sanders that Russia US officials have now told, uh, senator Bernie Sanders that Russia
1367 01:09:07,061 01:09:10,770 is trying to help his presidential campaign. is trying to help his presidential campaign.
1368 01:09:10,853 01:09:12,061 Reporter: How do you think it came out now, Reporter: How do you think it came out now,
1369 01:09:12,144 01:09:13,478 if you had the briefing a month ago? if you had the briefing a month ago?
1370 01:09:13,561 01:09:15,978 Well, I'll let you guess about one day before the, uh, Well, I'll let you guess about one day before the, uh,
1371 01:09:16,061 01:09:18,311 Nevada caucus. Why do you think it came out? Nevada caucus. Why do you think it came out?
1372 01:09:18,395 01:09:21,144 'Cause the "Washington post"? Good friends. 'Cause the "Washington post"? Good friends.
1373 01:09:21,228 01:09:23,853 Reporter: Joe, what do you say to the Russians? Reporter: Joe, what do you say to the Russians?
1374 01:09:24,395 01:09:25,978 I'm comin'. I'm comin'.
1375 01:09:26,061 01:09:27,311 They're continuing to meddle. They're continuing to meddle.
1376 01:09:27,395 01:09:29,978 They're involved in this race, and in my primary. They're involved in this race, and in my primary.
1377 01:09:30,061 01:09:32,561 They're involved going after me on Facebook. They're involved going after me on Facebook.
1378 01:09:32,645 01:09:34,269 They've already been taken down. They've already been taken down.
1379 01:09:34,353 01:09:36,311 Because putin knows me and I know him, Because putin knows me and I know him,
1380 01:09:36,395 01:09:38,228 and he doesn't want me to be president. and he doesn't want me to be president.
1381 01:09:38,311 01:09:41,895 The Russians want everyone in this country to mistrust everything. The Russians want everyone in this country to mistrust everything.
1382 01:09:41,978 01:09:43,436 Whether or not the Russians are involved, Whether or not the Russians are involved,
1383 01:09:43,520 01:09:45,186 these next few months are gonna be tense. these next few months are gonna be tense.
1384 01:09:47,895 01:09:49,395 Newscaster: We do have breaking news. Newscaster: We do have breaking news.
1385 01:09:49,478 01:09:52,728 The coronavirus outbreak is now a global pandemic. The coronavirus outbreak is now a global pandemic.
1386 01:09:52,812 01:09:54,478 No country is untouched. No country is untouched.
1387 01:09:54,561 01:09:57,645 No part of our everyday lives is untouched. No part of our everyday lives is untouched.
1388 01:09:57,728 01:09:59,770 We will see more cases, We will see more cases,
1389 01:09:59,853 01:10:01,770 and things will get worse. and things will get worse.
1390 01:10:03,645 01:10:05,353 Sanger: The coronavirus Sanger: The coronavirus
1391 01:10:05,436 01:10:09,520 has reordered the competition for world power. has reordered the competition for world power.
1392 01:10:09,603 01:10:11,520 And so, it's not surprising And so, it's not surprising
1393 01:10:11,603 01:10:13,978 that it's reordered cyber power, as well. that it's reordered cyber power, as well.
1394 01:10:14,061 01:10:16,395 Newscaster: Bad information is now spreading online Newscaster: Bad information is now spreading online
1395 01:10:16,478 01:10:18,853 faster than the coronavirus itself. faster than the coronavirus itself.
1396 01:10:18,937 01:10:20,853 Cyber experts and public health officials Cyber experts and public health officials
1397 01:10:20,937 01:10:24,103 warm this so-called info-demic is dangerous, warm this so-called info-demic is dangerous,
1398 01:10:24,186 01:10:26,103 and needs to be contained. and needs to be contained.
1399 01:10:27,853 01:10:30,311 Sanger: In the midst of covid-19, Sanger: In the midst of covid-19,
1400 01:10:30,395 01:10:33,561 disinformation gets super caffeinated. disinformation gets super caffeinated.
1401 01:10:33,645 01:10:35,186 And we see it play out And we see it play out
1402 01:10:35,269 01:10:38,353 in Russia's favorite petri dish once again, in Russia's favorite petri dish once again,
1403 01:10:38,436 01:10:40,478 in Ukraine. in Ukraine.
1404 01:10:40,561 01:10:44,019
1405 01:10:48,311 01:10:51,061 Chris Miller: As the coronavirus began spreading across the world, Chris Miller: As the coronavirus began spreading across the world,
1406 01:10:51,144 01:10:53,728 Ukraine quickly moved to start bringing Ukraine quickly moved to start bringing
1407 01:10:53,812 01:10:56,353 some of its citizens back from Wuhan, some of its citizens back from Wuhan,
1408 01:10:56,436 01:10:59,895 to serve out 14 days of self-isolation to serve out 14 days of self-isolation
1409 01:10:59,978 01:11:03,353 in this tiny little town in central Ukraine. in this tiny little town in central Ukraine.
1410 01:11:03,436 01:11:06,645 These people were not infected with the virus. These people were not infected with the virus.
1411 01:11:06,728 01:11:11,436 But people on social media began spreading this misinformation But people on social media began spreading this misinformation
1412 01:11:11,520 01:11:15,561 that these Ukrainians that are coming home from Wuhan are infected. that these Ukrainians that are coming home from Wuhan are infected.
1413 01:11:16,895 01:11:19,687 People started using viber, People started using viber,
1414 01:11:19,770 01:11:23,645 and Instagram and Facebook to warn each other. and Instagram and Facebook to warn each other.
1415 01:11:23,728 01:11:26,812 Some of the messages went even further in saying Some of the messages went even further in saying
1416 01:11:26,895 01:11:29,520 we need to go out into the streets and protest. we need to go out into the streets and protest.
1417 01:11:29,603 01:11:33,019 We need to turn these buses of people around to protect our children. We need to turn these buses of people around to protect our children.
1418 01:11:33,103 01:11:36,937 Or else we're going to wake up in the morning, and we'll all be dead. Or else we're going to wake up in the morning, and we'll all be dead.
1419 01:11:37,019 01:11:40,603 -(Crowd yelling) -This disinformation actually fueled -(Crowd yelling) -This disinformation actually fueled
1420 01:11:40,687 01:11:43,103 a real-life protest in the streets. a real-life protest in the streets.
1421 01:11:43,186 01:11:45,395 (Rocks pelting buses) (Rocks pelting buses)
1422 01:11:48,478 01:11:51,311 (Commotion, yelling) (Commotion, yelling)
1423 01:11:53,478 01:11:55,311 Police came out in response. Police came out in response.
1424 01:11:55,395 01:11:57,061 Clashes ensued. Clashes ensued.
1425 01:11:58,311 01:12:00,144 (Siren blaring) (Siren blaring)
1426 01:12:00,228 01:12:03,311 When something like this happens, in Ukraine especially, When something like this happens, in Ukraine especially,
1427 01:12:03,395 01:12:07,478 the entity that is always pointed at first is Russia. the entity that is always pointed at first is Russia.
1428 01:12:07,561 01:12:12,061 There are signs that Russia could be involved. There are signs that Russia could be involved.
1429 01:12:12,144 01:12:14,478 But there are real people in these groups. But there are real people in these groups.
1430 01:12:14,561 01:12:16,186 Real people who I interviewed, Real people who I interviewed,
1431 01:12:16,269 01:12:19,311 who said, "I also shared messages in this group who said, "I also shared messages in this group
1432 01:12:19,395 01:12:20,645 "to go out and protest, "to go out and protest,
1433 01:12:20,728 01:12:22,478 to protect myself, to protect my family." to protect myself, to protect my family."
1434 01:12:22,561 01:12:25,061 And it just spiraled out of control very, very, very quickly. And it just spiraled out of control very, very, very quickly.
1435 01:12:25,144 01:12:26,186 Within hours. Within hours.
1436 01:12:28,395 01:12:31,311 Sanger: There's a lesson in what happened in Ukraine. Sanger: There's a lesson in what happened in Ukraine.
1437 01:12:31,395 01:12:34,853 The Russians are already changing the playbook. The Russians are already changing the playbook.
1438 01:12:34,937 01:12:36,561 They're targeting people They're targeting people
1439 01:12:36,645 01:12:39,395 who might be susceptible to the message, who might be susceptible to the message,
1440 01:12:39,478 01:12:41,228 the conspiracy. the conspiracy.
1441 01:12:41,311 01:12:43,269 And repeat it themselves. And repeat it themselves.
1442 01:12:44,269 01:12:46,311 And it's not just the Russians. And it's not just the Russians.
1443 01:12:46,395 01:12:49,436 The pandemic now becoming even more than a public health crisis. The pandemic now becoming even more than a public health crisis.
1444 01:12:49,520 01:12:51,812 It is turning into a major diplomatic clash It is turning into a major diplomatic clash
1445 01:12:51,895 01:12:55,395 as the blame game unfolds on the origins of the virus. as the blame game unfolds on the origins of the virus.
1446 01:12:55,478 01:12:57,853 I would like to begin I would like to begin
1447 01:12:57,937 01:12:59,853 by announcing some important developments by announcing some important developments
1448 01:12:59,937 01:13:03,144 in our war against the Chinese virus. in our war against the Chinese virus.
1449 01:13:03,228 01:13:06,103 (Speaking foreign language) (Speaking foreign language)
1450 01:13:09,728 01:13:11,937 The Chinese in 2020 The Chinese in 2020
1451 01:13:12,019 01:13:14,395 have used disinformation brilliantly have used disinformation brilliantly
1452 01:13:14,478 01:13:18,895 as people have been casting blame for covid-19. as people have been casting blame for covid-19.
1453 01:13:18,978 01:13:20,728 There was a story spread There was a story spread
1454 01:13:20,812 01:13:24,103 that the virus didn't begin in a wet market in Wuhan. that the virus didn't begin in a wet market in Wuhan.
1455 01:13:24,186 01:13:29,728 But instead that it began with a US army exercise in China. But instead that it began with a US army exercise in China.
1456 01:13:29,812 01:13:33,144 There's absolutely no evidence for this at all. There's absolutely no evidence for this at all.
1457 01:13:33,228 01:13:35,019 But the Chinese saw But the Chinese saw
1458 01:13:35,103 01:13:39,311 how well the Russians were able to plant this information, how well the Russians were able to plant this information,
1459 01:13:39,395 01:13:42,186 and watch it take off naturally and watch it take off naturally
1460 01:13:42,269 01:13:45,937 among conspiracy theorists and others. among conspiracy theorists and others.
1461 01:13:46,895 01:13:50,436
1462 01:13:52,144 01:13:54,770 Stamos: I think we've been highly distracted as a country Stamos: I think we've been highly distracted as a country
1463 01:13:54,853 01:13:58,061 by focusing just on Russia since 2016. by focusing just on Russia since 2016.
1464 01:13:58,144 01:14:01,353 When the real long-term strategic challenge for US When the real long-term strategic challenge for US
1465 01:14:01,436 01:14:03,561 is going to be China globally. is going to be China globally.
1466 01:14:03,645 01:14:06,478 Alperovitch: Russian foreign policy is to take others down, Alperovitch: Russian foreign policy is to take others down,
1467 01:14:06,561 01:14:09,019 and cause disruption in the system. and cause disruption in the system.
1468 01:14:09,853 01:14:11,436 China has very different priorities. China has very different priorities.
1469 01:14:11,520 01:14:13,812 They're trying to work within the system and take over the system, They're trying to work within the system and take over the system,
1470 01:14:13,895 01:14:16,478 so they're not interested in chaos. It's all about theft. so they're not interested in chaos. It's all about theft.
1471 01:14:16,561 01:14:18,812 And primarily theft of intellectual property And primarily theft of intellectual property
1472 01:14:18,895 01:14:21,520 that can be used to further build up the Chinese economy. that can be used to further build up the Chinese economy.
1473 01:14:25,144 01:14:27,603 There was one time we were brought into a company There was one time we were brought into a company
1474 01:14:27,687 01:14:30,353 that was in the satellite communications business. that was in the satellite communications business.
1475 01:14:31,269 01:14:32,603 They had discovered a hack, They had discovered a hack,
1476 01:14:32,687 01:14:34,645 and, uh, they asked US to analyze it, and, uh, they asked US to analyze it,
1477 01:14:34,728 01:14:37,311 and ultimately help protect them. and ultimately help protect them.
1478 01:14:38,019 01:14:40,228 We saw that the email address We saw that the email address
1479 01:14:40,311 01:14:42,978 that was being used to register a bunch of this infrastructure that was being used to register a bunch of this infrastructure
1480 01:14:43,061 01:14:45,144 was being reused continuously. was being reused continuously.
1481 01:14:45,228 01:14:47,687 It was a gmail address. It was a gmail address.
1482 01:14:47,770 01:14:49,978 And we tracked it to an individual in China. And we tracked it to an individual in China.
1483 01:14:50,061 01:14:52,311 They had a social persona, They had a social persona,
1484 01:14:52,395 01:14:54,144 and had a picasa album, and had a picasa album,
1485 01:14:54,228 01:14:58,144 which at the time was a photo album that was owned by Google. which at the time was a photo album that was owned by Google.
1486 01:14:58,228 01:15:01,144 It was open, and he had a bunch of pictures of his girlfriend, It was open, and he had a bunch of pictures of his girlfriend,
1487 01:15:01,228 01:15:03,687 and his family, and himself. and his family, and himself.
1488 01:15:10,520 01:15:13,061 And he had pictures of his dorm room. And he had pictures of his dorm room.
1489 01:15:16,061 01:15:19,353 And in the corner of the dorm room we saw a hat. And in the corner of the dorm room we saw a hat.
1490 01:15:22,478 01:15:24,228 We started doing imagery analysis, We started doing imagery analysis,
1491 01:15:24,311 01:15:27,269 and we noticed that the hat was pla officer's hat. and we noticed that the hat was pla officer's hat.
1492 01:15:28,770 01:15:30,561 We thought, "this might be interesting." We thought, "this might be interesting."
1493 01:15:30,645 01:15:32,728 We might have someone from the Chinese military We might have someone from the Chinese military
1494 01:15:32,812 01:15:35,645 on our hands here that may be responsible for these attacks. on our hands here that may be responsible for these attacks.
1495 01:15:38,812 01:15:41,269 We found other pictures that he had posted online We found other pictures that he had posted online
1496 01:15:41,353 01:15:43,853 that were labeled "office." that were labeled "office."
1497 01:15:43,937 01:15:47,478 There was a picture of this big white building behind him There was a picture of this big white building behind him
1498 01:15:47,561 01:15:50,520 that had huge antennae dishes, that had huge antennae dishes,
1499 01:15:50,603 01:15:52,561 had reflective coating on the windows, had reflective coating on the windows,
1500 01:15:52,645 01:15:55,103 that would prevent signal interception. that would prevent signal interception.
1501 01:15:55,186 01:15:57,645 We started doing satellite imagery analysis We started doing satellite imagery analysis
1502 01:15:57,728 01:15:59,520 to try to locate this building. to try to locate this building.
1503 01:15:59,603 01:16:02,103 We tracked it down to Shanghai. We tracked it down to Shanghai.
1504 01:16:02,186 01:16:03,853 To a particular area of Shanghai. To a particular area of Shanghai.
1505 01:16:03,937 01:16:06,269 We started looking at the imagery. We said, "wait a second. We started looking at the imagery. We said, "wait a second.
1506 01:16:06,353 01:16:09,186 There's military guard gates all over this building." There's military guard gates all over this building."
1507 01:16:09,269 01:16:11,436 We got the address of that building, We got the address of that building,
1508 01:16:11,520 01:16:16,061 and we started looking into Chinese government materials. and we started looking into Chinese government materials.
1509 01:16:16,144 01:16:18,603 And sure enough, we discovered there was the headquarters And sure enough, we discovered there was the headquarters
1510 01:16:18,687 01:16:21,061 of the 12th bureau of the third department of the 12th bureau of the third department
1511 01:16:21,144 01:16:24,103 of the general staff of the people's liberation army, of the general staff of the people's liberation army,
1512 01:16:24,186 01:16:26,144 giving US pretty high-level confidence giving US pretty high-level confidence
1513 01:16:26,228 01:16:29,311 that this hack had come from the Chinese military. that this hack had come from the Chinese military.
1514 01:16:33,853 01:16:36,436 Clapper: This is actually part of a plan. Clapper: This is actually part of a plan.
1515 01:16:37,478 01:16:40,395 They lay it out in their, their five-year plans They lay it out in their, their five-year plans
1516 01:16:40,478 01:16:42,561 for the technology they want to acquire. for the technology they want to acquire.
1517 01:16:42,645 01:16:45,603 If they can generate it indigenously, great. If they can generate it indigenously, great.
1518 01:16:45,687 01:16:46,895 If they can't, If they can't,
1519 01:16:46,978 01:16:49,687 because they want to get it fast, they'll steal it. because they want to get it fast, they'll steal it.
1520 01:16:52,478 01:16:54,853 China alone is responsible for hacks China alone is responsible for hacks
1521 01:16:54,937 01:16:58,603 to almost 700 public and private targets in the US to almost 700 public and private targets in the US
1522 01:16:58,687 01:17:00,395 in the last five years. in the last five years.
1523 01:17:01,687 01:17:03,228 Zegart: One of the reasons why Zegart: One of the reasons why
1524 01:17:03,311 01:17:04,770 China's most sophisticated airplane China's most sophisticated airplane
1525 01:17:04,853 01:17:07,436 looks like the f-35 joint strike fighter looks like the f-35 joint strike fighter
1526 01:17:07,520 01:17:09,770 is because they stole some of the technology is because they stole some of the technology
1527 01:17:09,853 01:17:11,520 from the f-35 joint strike fighter. from the f-35 joint strike fighter.
1528 01:17:11,603 01:17:14,228 When you look at pictures of it, you go, "man, that looks familiar." When you look at pictures of it, you go, "man, that looks familiar."
1529 01:17:15,603 01:17:17,103 And that's just the tip of the iceberg, And that's just the tip of the iceberg,
1530 01:17:17,186 01:17:18,645 from the Chinese side. from the Chinese side.
1531 01:17:18,728 01:17:21,186 Newscaster: Google says it and at least 20 other companies Newscaster: Google says it and at least 20 other companies
1532 01:17:21,269 01:17:24,395 were victims of a targeted cyber attack originating in China. were victims of a targeted cyber attack originating in China.
1533 01:17:24,478 01:17:28,353 A very sophisticated cyber attack on the health insurer anthem. A very sophisticated cyber attack on the health insurer anthem.
1534 01:17:28,436 01:17:31,436 Newscaster 2: This intrusion is once again the work of state-sponsored Newscaster 2: This intrusion is once again the work of state-sponsored
1535 01:17:31,520 01:17:34,228 espionage groups based in China. espionage groups based in China.
1536 01:17:35,311 01:17:36,937 Sanger: And then the Chinese escalated. Sanger: And then the Chinese escalated.
1537 01:17:37,019 01:17:41,311 They spent a year inside the office of personnel management, They spent a year inside the office of personnel management,
1538 01:17:41,395 01:17:44,478 the most boring bureaucracy in america. the most boring bureaucracy in america.
1539 01:17:44,561 01:17:47,019 Zegart: They stole 22 million files Zegart: They stole 22 million files
1540 01:17:47,103 01:17:50,978 of highly classified security clearance applications. of highly classified security clearance applications.
1541 01:17:51,061 01:17:52,853 That is an intelligence nightmare. That is an intelligence nightmare.
1542 01:17:52,937 01:17:56,478 The Chinese now have all sorts of detailed information The Chinese now have all sorts of detailed information
1543 01:17:56,561 01:17:58,311 about your family members, about your family members,
1544 01:17:58,395 01:18:00,019 foreign friends that you may have, foreign friends that you may have,
1545 01:18:00,103 01:18:02,478 that could be used to actually recruit assets that could be used to actually recruit assets
1546 01:18:02,561 01:18:05,103 for the Chinese government sometime in the future. for the Chinese government sometime in the future.
1547 01:18:06,728 01:18:08,311 Sanger: By 2020, Sanger: By 2020,
1548 01:18:08,395 01:18:11,687 they were back at it in a much more sophisticated way. they were back at it in a much more sophisticated way.
1549 01:18:11,770 01:18:14,520 News anchor: The FBI and federal cyber security agents News anchor: The FBI and federal cyber security agents
1550 01:18:14,603 01:18:17,853 are warning that hackers linked to the Chinese government are warning that hackers linked to the Chinese government
1551 01:18:17,937 01:18:22,770 are trying to steal research on coronavirus vaccines and therapies. are trying to steal research on coronavirus vaccines and therapies.
1552 01:18:22,853 01:18:26,019 Sanger: The way jet fighter designs might have been Sanger: The way jet fighter designs might have been
1553 01:18:26,103 01:18:27,395 a decade ago, a decade ago,
1554 01:18:27,478 01:18:31,228 coronavirus has become the holy grail. coronavirus has become the holy grail.
1555 01:18:32,895 01:18:35,269 Because the country that wins the race Because the country that wins the race
1556 01:18:35,353 01:18:38,853 for the vaccine and the treatment of covid-19 for the vaccine and the treatment of covid-19
1557 01:18:38,937 01:18:42,186 will become a new kind of power, will become a new kind of power,
1558 01:18:42,269 01:18:46,228 able to spread that vaccine around the world. able to spread that vaccine around the world.
1559 01:18:49,103 01:18:51,895 Finally, and perhaps most importantly, Finally, and perhaps most importantly,
1560 01:18:51,978 01:18:56,311 as China has spread its economic tentacles through the world, as China has spread its economic tentacles through the world,
1561 01:18:56,395 01:18:59,019 it has recognized that the networks it has recognized that the networks
1562 01:18:59,103 01:19:01,520 it is selling to everybody else it is selling to everybody else
1563 01:19:01,603 01:19:05,395 across fiber optic cable and 5g networks across fiber optic cable and 5g networks
1564 01:19:05,478 01:19:08,770 gives them an element of control gives them an element of control
1565 01:19:08,853 01:19:12,269 that a few years ago they could scarcely have even imagined. that a few years ago they could scarcely have even imagined.
1566 01:19:13,478 01:19:15,395 Alperovitch: You could see a future where Alperovitch: You could see a future where
1567 01:19:15,478 01:19:18,103 every device that you can imagine is on the Internet, every device that you can imagine is on the Internet,
1568 01:19:18,186 01:19:21,144 and is connected to the 5g cellular network. and is connected to the 5g cellular network.
1569 01:19:21,228 01:19:24,269 Warner: 5g is like moving from radio to television Warner: 5g is like moving from radio to television
1570 01:19:24,353 01:19:27,103 in terms of how we use our telecommunication system, in terms of how we use our telecommunication system,
1571 01:19:27,186 01:19:29,687 and if we're thinking about, you know, driverless cars, and if we're thinking about, you know, driverless cars,
1572 01:19:29,770 01:19:32,687 or our, our refrigerator that's connected to the Internet, or our, our refrigerator that's connected to the Internet,
1573 01:19:32,770 01:19:34,228 and all of the possibilities and all of the possibilities
1574 01:19:34,311 01:19:36,019 that come with a totally interconnected world, that come with a totally interconnected world,
1575 01:19:36,103 01:19:38,186 that rides on a 5g network. that rides on a 5g network.
1576 01:19:38,269 01:19:40,269 So who controls that network So who controls that network
1577 01:19:40,353 01:19:43,812 is extraordinarily important, and I think what we're waking up to is extraordinarily important, and I think what we're waking up to
1578 01:19:43,895 01:19:46,269 is we're confronting China is we're confronting China
1579 01:19:46,353 01:19:49,228 that has a national champion in its company huawei that has a national champion in its company huawei
1580 01:19:49,311 01:19:52,687 that is a long-term security threat. that is a long-term security threat.
1581 01:19:52,770 01:19:57,311 Hurd: This company huawei is the largest provider of 5g equipment. Hurd: This company huawei is the largest provider of 5g equipment.
1582 01:19:57,395 01:20:00,520 They're the ones building the antennas that you need. They're the ones building the antennas that you need.
1583 01:20:00,603 01:20:04,478 They're the ones that are building the systems that moves the data. They're the ones that are building the systems that moves the data.
1584 01:20:05,853 01:20:09,228 The United States' position on this is that The United States' position on this is that
1585 01:20:09,311 01:20:13,144 any information that is able to transmit any information that is able to transmit
1586 01:20:13,228 01:20:15,186 across huawei technology across huawei technology
1587 01:20:15,269 01:20:19,770 will ultimately be accessible by the Chinese government. will ultimately be accessible by the Chinese government.
1588 01:20:19,853 01:20:21,770 And what is the Chinese government And what is the Chinese government
1589 01:20:21,853 01:20:24,019 going to do with that information going to do with that information
1590 01:20:24,103 01:20:25,978 is the ultimate question. is the ultimate question.
1591 01:20:26,061 01:20:29,561
1592 01:20:33,895 01:20:36,395 (Crowd cheering) (Crowd cheering)
1593 01:20:36,478 01:20:37,770 Thank you. Thank you.
1594 01:20:40,228 01:20:43,103 So we begin, Oklahoma. We begin. So we begin, Oklahoma. We begin.
1595 01:20:43,186 01:20:45,019 Thank you, Oklahoma. Thank you, Oklahoma.
1596 01:20:45,103 01:20:49,311 And thank you to vice president Mike pence. And thank you to vice president Mike pence.
1597 01:20:49,395 01:20:51,895 We begin. We begin our campaign. We begin. We begin our campaign.
1598 01:20:51,978 01:20:54,687 Man singing: ♪ happy birthday, Mr. President... ♪ Man singing: ♪ happy birthday, Mr. President... ♪
1599 01:20:54,770 01:20:55,895 That's nice. That's nice.
1600 01:20:55,978 01:20:58,144 (Crowd cheering) (Crowd cheering)
1601 01:20:59,186 01:21:00,728 Thank you. Thank you.
1602 01:21:00,812 01:21:02,895 (Crowd cheering) (Crowd cheering)
1603 01:21:13,520 01:21:15,812 Christopher krebs: I have spent the last year Christopher krebs: I have spent the last year
1604 01:21:15,895 01:21:19,144 gaming out the 2020 election. gaming out the 2020 election.
1605 01:21:19,228 01:21:20,770 Trying to get ahead of it. Really trying to think through Trying to get ahead of it. Really trying to think through
1606 01:21:20,853 01:21:22,937 what, what's next. What's next, what's next. what, what's next. What's next, what's next.
1607 01:21:24,895 01:21:27,186 My nightmare scenario is ransomware. My nightmare scenario is ransomware.
1608 01:21:27,269 01:21:31,603 That a ransomware actor would gain access to a voter registration database, That a ransomware actor would gain access to a voter registration database,
1609 01:21:31,687 01:21:35,687 lock it up, and say, "hey, election official. lock it up, and say, "hey, election official.
1610 01:21:35,770 01:21:37,561 "I've locked this up. "I've locked this up.
1611 01:21:37,645 01:21:41,645 I'm not giving it back to you unless you give me $3 million." I'm not giving it back to you unless you give me $3 million."
1612 01:21:43,395 01:21:45,228 This is what gets me up every morning. This is what gets me up every morning.
1613 01:21:45,311 01:21:46,603 It's the last thing I think about at night. It's the last thing I think about at night.
1614 01:21:46,687 01:21:47,853 I wake up in the middle of the night I wake up in the middle of the night
1615 01:21:47,937 01:21:49,228 and think about it. When I'm walking the dog. and think about it. When I'm walking the dog.
1616 01:21:49,311 01:21:51,687 Up here, oh, it's a hellscape right now. Up here, oh, it's a hellscape right now.
1617 01:21:54,978 01:21:57,520 Clinton: When you have a government led by someone Clinton: When you have a government led by someone
1618 01:21:57,603 01:22:00,603 who appears to be beholden who appears to be beholden
1619 01:22:00,687 01:22:02,144 to Vladimir putin, to Vladimir putin,
1620 01:22:02,228 01:22:04,311 you don't have much confidence you don't have much confidence
1621 01:22:04,395 01:22:07,645 that your own government is going to protect that your own government is going to protect
1622 01:22:07,728 01:22:10,520 the integrity of our election. the integrity of our election.
1623 01:22:10,603 01:22:13,812 I'm somebody who thinks that putin should have paid a price. I'm somebody who thinks that putin should have paid a price.
1624 01:22:14,937 01:22:16,937 I don't know if we're gonna find out I don't know if we're gonna find out
1625 01:22:17,019 01:22:18,770 exactly what the threat is exactly what the threat is
1626 01:22:18,853 01:22:21,478 until, once again, it's too late. until, once again, it's too late.
1627 01:22:24,311 01:22:26,770 Sanger: In 2020, the Russians are back, Sanger: In 2020, the Russians are back,
1628 01:22:26,853 01:22:29,019 but so are the Chinese. but so are the Chinese.
1629 01:22:29,812 01:22:31,395 And the Iranians. And the Iranians.
1630 01:22:31,478 01:22:33,728 And the north Koreans. And the north Koreans.
1631 01:22:35,269 01:22:37,436 All of these countries are just experimenting All of these countries are just experimenting
1632 01:22:37,520 01:22:40,895 with things that they learned from watching the Russians. with things that they learned from watching the Russians.
1633 01:22:40,978 01:22:44,645 They realize that they can do damage to US, They realize that they can do damage to US,
1634 01:22:44,728 01:22:48,395 by merely opening up the chasms that already exist by merely opening up the chasms that already exist
1635 01:22:48,478 01:22:50,019 in American society. in American society.
1636 01:22:50,103 01:22:53,228 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
1637 01:22:58,311 01:23:00,645 Rosenbach: If it were going to be a nation-state actor Rosenbach: If it were going to be a nation-state actor
1638 01:23:00,728 01:23:03,687 who's gonna disrupt the elections in 2020, who's gonna disrupt the elections in 2020,
1639 01:23:03,770 01:23:07,561 I think mostly likely it would be the north Koreans I think mostly likely it would be the north Koreans
1640 01:23:07,645 01:23:09,937 or the Iranians. or the Iranians.
1641 01:23:10,019 01:23:13,645 If we were going to look for an Iranian attack, for example, If we were going to look for an Iranian attack, for example,
1642 01:23:13,728 01:23:17,103 all they would have to do is destroy one thing all they would have to do is destroy one thing
1643 01:23:17,186 01:23:19,269 in one state or one county, in one state or one county,
1644 01:23:19,353 01:23:22,645 in conjunction with an information operation that would say, in conjunction with an information operation that would say,
1645 01:23:22,728 01:23:24,978 "we are the holy warriors of Iran, "we are the holy warriors of Iran,
1646 01:23:25,061 01:23:27,770 and we successfully locked up this server." and we successfully locked up this server."
1647 01:23:27,853 01:23:30,603 The press would cover it. There would be all these questions, The press would cover it. There would be all these questions,
1648 01:23:30,687 01:23:32,520 and america would be wrapped in knots. and america would be wrapped in knots.
1649 01:23:32,603 01:23:35,186 At the same time, you know, certain political leaders At the same time, you know, certain political leaders
1650 01:23:35,269 01:23:36,937 might also take advantage of that. might also take advantage of that.
1651 01:23:41,853 01:23:45,186 One final question. Our intelligence agencies have said One final question. Our intelligence agencies have said
1652 01:23:45,269 01:23:47,978 that your country is among the countries that your country is among the countries
1653 01:23:48,061 01:23:50,728 that are attempting to interfere in our election. that are attempting to interfere in our election.
1654 01:23:50,812 01:23:54,186 We don't interfere in the internal affairs of another country, We don't interfere in the internal affairs of another country,
1655 01:23:54,269 01:23:57,144 but there is a cyber war going on. but there is a cyber war going on.
1656 01:23:57,228 01:23:59,853 The United States started that cyber war. The United States started that cyber war.
1657 01:23:59,937 01:24:01,353 You remember stuxnet. You remember stuxnet.
1658 01:24:01,436 01:24:05,061 Any war that the United States starts, Any war that the United States starts,
1659 01:24:05,144 01:24:07,561 it won't be able to finish. it won't be able to finish.
1660 01:24:07,645 01:24:10,978 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
1661 01:24:22,395 01:24:26,269 ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪