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1 00:00:01,871 00:00:02,761 Previously on "The Path"... Previously on "The Path"...
2 00:00:02,785 00:00:05,851 - This is my resort property on Kuta Beach. - This is my resort property on Kuta Beach.
3 00:00:05,875 00:00:07,113 I would like to convert it I would like to convert it
4 00:00:07,137 00:00:09,463 into the first Meyerist Center in Asia. into the first Meyerist Center in Asia.
5 00:00:09,487 00:00:11,857 To the Light in Bali. To the Light in Bali.
6 00:00:11,881 00:00:14,164 He wants me to take things over for a couple of days. He wants me to take things over for a couple of days.
7 00:00:14,188 00:00:16,427 - Okay, but you're still gonna make it to Washington, right? - Okay, but you're still gonna make it to Washington, right?
8 00:00:16,451 00:00:17,950 - No, actually no. No, I can't. - No, actually no. No, I can't.
9 00:00:17,974 00:00:19,473 What the fuck is wrong with you? What the fuck is wrong with you?
10 00:00:19,497 00:00:21,171 A waitress from a women's rights dinner. A waitress from a women's rights dinner.
11 00:00:21,195 00:00:22,694 - What are you doing here? - So nice to meet you. - What are you doing here? - So nice to meet you.
12 00:00:22,718 00:00:24,565 Thanks for supporting a woman's right to choose. Thanks for supporting a woman's right to choose.
13 00:00:24,589 00:00:25,914 Let's get the vote out in November. Let's get the vote out in November.
14 00:00:25,938 00:00:27,612 - Something happened, Cal. - Something happened, Cal.
15 00:00:27,636 00:00:29,527 - Happened? - To you. - Happened? - To you.
16 00:00:29,551 00:00:31,485 With Steve. With Steve.
17 00:00:31,509 00:00:34,010 - How did... - You don't have to tell me. - How did... - You don't have to tell me.
18 00:00:34,034 00:00:36,229 - We are looking at the very first draft of Ladder, - We are looking at the very first draft of Ladder,
19 00:00:36,253 00:00:37,535 and I believe that and I believe that
20 00:00:37,559 00:00:39,189 there's a second author. - Lilith. there's a second author. - Lilith.
21 00:00:39,213 00:00:40,973 - She believes that Eddie will die. - She believes that Eddie will die.
22 00:00:40,997 00:00:42,888 - Why? - The Movement will crumble - Why? - The Movement will crumble
23 00:00:42,912 00:00:45,586 without Eddie, and the world will crumble without Eddie, and the world will crumble
24 00:00:45,610 00:00:47,327 without The Movement. - Where is she? without The Movement. - Where is she?
25 00:00:47,351 00:00:49,329 I just knew you'd find me. I just knew you'd find me.
26 00:00:49,353 00:00:51,766 - You never told me that Vera was your daughter. - You never told me that Vera was your daughter.
27 00:00:51,790 00:00:53,377 - Vera put me in here, - Vera put me in here,
28 00:00:53,401 00:00:55,466 and she's the only one who can get me out. and she's the only one who can get me out.
29 00:00:55,490 00:00:57,294 - I think you're right where you need to be. - I think you're right where you need to be.
30 00:00:57,318 00:00:58,773 - Sarah! - Sarah!
31 00:01:07,284 00:01:14,384
32 00:01:41,971 00:01:43,688 - The Meyerist Movement, until recently, - The Meyerist Movement, until recently,
33 00:01:43,712 00:01:46,604 was a small fringe movement in upstate New York. was a small fringe movement in upstate New York.
34 00:01:46,628 00:01:48,910 In the past year, they've increased their membership In the past year, they've increased their membership
35 00:01:48,934 00:01:51,087 70% and expanded to Europe. 70% and expanded to Europe.
36 00:01:51,111 00:01:54,090 - You called it a "Second-generation phenomenon." - You called it a "Second-generation phenomenon."
37 00:01:54,114 00:01:56,962 - Uh, yeah, their... their founder, Dr. Steven Meyer, - Uh, yeah, their... their founder, Dr. Steven Meyer,
38 00:01:56,986 00:01:59,530 recently died. Now... recently died. Now...
39 00:01:59,554 00:02:00,966 It's very rare for a new religion It's very rare for a new religion
40 00:02:00,990 00:02:02,663 not to die with its founder. not to die with its founder.
41 00:02:02,687 00:02:05,101 In this case, their new leader, Eddie Lane, In this case, their new leader, Eddie Lane,
42 00:02:05,125 00:02:08,321 tripled the base. tripled the base.
43 00:02:08,345 00:02:11,933 Now, he's a guy from a blue collar family in Brooklyn, Now, he's a guy from a blue collar family in Brooklyn,
44 00:02:11,957 00:02:14,806 with a history of mental illness and abuse. with a history of mental illness and abuse.
45 00:02:14,830 00:02:20,116 He married a woman high up in the faith in 1999. He married a woman high up in the faith in 1999.
46 00:02:20,140 00:02:24,424 Took over October of last year. Took over October of last year.
47 00:02:24,448 00:02:27,993 And, uh, has a mystical experience And, uh, has a mystical experience
48 00:02:28,017 00:02:31,039 in the first few weeks of his leadership. in the first few weeks of his leadership.
49 00:02:31,063 00:02:35,566 He walks a pregnant woman through fire He walks a pregnant woman through fire
50 00:02:35,590 00:02:38,395 a video which conveniently trends on YouTube. a video which conveniently trends on YouTube.
51 00:02:38,419 00:02:40,788 I've seen the video. Are you saying it was staged? I've seen the video. Are you saying it was staged?
52 00:02:40,812 00:02:42,399 I'm not saying anything I'm not saying anything
53 00:02:42,423 00:02:44,140 I don't have the facts to back up. I don't have the facts to back up.
54 00:02:45,817 00:02:46,925 You called your article You called your article
55 00:02:46,949 00:02:49,580 "The Fastest Growing Faith." "The Fastest Growing Faith."
56 00:02:49,604 00:02:51,538 What do you think it is about Meyerism What do you think it is about Meyerism
57 00:02:51,562 00:02:53,323 that appeals to this younger generation? that appeals to this younger generation?
58 00:02:53,347 00:02:55,890 - The future is more uncertain than ever. - The future is more uncertain than ever.
59 00:02:55,914 00:03:00,068 And young people are looking for something to believe in, And young people are looking for something to believe in,
60 00:03:00,092 00:03:02,245 and Lane has an "everyman" quality. and Lane has an "everyman" quality.
61 00:03:02,269 00:03:03,985 He's a regular guy. He's a regular guy.
62 00:03:04,009 00:03:06,031 That is until he asked you to sign your life away. That is until he asked you to sign your life away.
63 00:03:06,055 00:03:08,773 He recently introduced a 25-page contract He recently introduced a 25-page contract
64 00:03:08,797 00:03:11,732 for all members for their "security," for all members for their "security,"
65 00:03:11,756 00:03:15,214 um, that essentially requires them um, that essentially requires them
66 00:03:15,238 00:03:17,912 to waive basic human rights. to waive basic human rights.
67 00:03:17,936 00:03:19,914 - Have you ever seen this guy before? - Have you ever seen this guy before?
68 00:03:19,938 00:03:21,351 - No. - No.
69 00:03:21,375 00:03:24,180 - Somebody's talked to him, obviously. - Somebody's talked to him, obviously.
70 00:03:24,204 00:03:27,966 We'll check the log of Possibles and intake sessions. We'll check the log of Possibles and intake sessions.
71 00:03:27,990 00:03:30,577 We can look at security footage outside the city center. We can look at security footage outside the city center.
72 00:03:30,601 00:03:32,275 I'm sure that's where he came in. I'm sure that's where he came in.
73 00:03:32,299 00:03:35,234 - Yes, I was able to get my hands - Yes, I was able to get my hands
74 00:03:35,258 00:03:37,149 on early notebooks of Meyer's, on early notebooks of Meyer's,
75 00:03:37,173 00:03:39,369 notebooks that no one had seen before notebooks that no one had seen before
76 00:03:39,393 00:03:41,762 or rather they'd been hidden away. or rather they'd been hidden away.
77 00:03:41,786 00:03:45,026 And these notebooks pointed to another writer. And these notebooks pointed to another writer.
78 00:03:45,050 00:03:47,246 A darker voice. A darker voice.
79 00:03:47,270 00:03:50,336 And my research showed her to have been a patient And my research showed her to have been a patient
80 00:03:50,360 00:03:51,816 of Steven Meyer's... - What notebook? of Steven Meyer's... - What notebook?
81 00:03:51,840 00:03:53,209 - When she was she was just 13. - When she was she was just 13.
82 00:03:53,233 00:03:55,298 - Are they real? Is he making this up? - Are they real? Is he making this up?
83 00:03:55,322 00:03:57,125 Meyerism is not a religion. Meyerism is not a religion.
84 00:03:57,149 00:03:59,127 It is not a "movement" as they like to call it. It is not a "movement" as they like to call it.
85 00:03:59,151 00:04:01,695 Lane is a dangerous man. Lane is a dangerous man.
86 00:04:01,719 00:04:03,219 And this is a cult. And this is a cult.
87 00:04:03,243 00:04:07,135
88 00:04:12,643 00:04:14,882 It's disgusting, and it's libel. It's disgusting, and it's libel.
89 00:04:14,906 00:04:17,798 It's a direct attack on Steve. - Yes, it is. It's a direct attack on Steve. - Yes, it is.
90 00:04:17,822 00:04:19,322 - And what the hell was that bullshit - And what the hell was that bullshit
91 00:04:19,346 00:04:21,280 about someone else writing The Ladder? about someone else writing The Ladder?
92 00:04:21,304 00:04:23,239 - How did he even find out about the contract? - How did he even find out about the contract?
93 00:04:23,263 00:04:25,241 - We're looking into it. - What about the article? - We're looking into it. - What about the article?
94 00:04:25,265 00:04:27,155 Can you get a retraction? Can you get a retraction?
95 00:04:27,179 00:04:30,724 - Um... No. - Um... No.
96 00:04:30,748 00:04:34,119 No. But there is some good news. No. But there is some good news.
97 00:04:34,143 00:04:36,339 I've been in touch with Ruben's producers, I've been in touch with Ruben's producers,
98 00:04:36,363 00:04:38,993 and they got a great response to the segment and they got a great response to the segment
99 00:04:39,017 00:04:40,299 and would like to bring Eddie and would like to bring Eddie
100 00:04:40,323 00:04:42,083 on for a follow-up next Thursday. on for a follow-up next Thursday.
101 00:04:42,107 00:04:44,347 You'll be able to go head to head with Professor Neill. You'll be able to go head to head with Professor Neill.
102 00:04:45,850 00:04:48,089 - Eddie, we have plenty of time to prep, - Eddie, we have plenty of time to prep,
103 00:04:48,113 00:04:50,309 and they've promised us an unbiased forum and they've promised us an unbiased forum
104 00:04:50,333 00:04:53,399 for our response. - It will not be unbiased. for our response. - It will not be unbiased.
105 00:04:53,423 00:04:55,271 Okay? He called us a cult. Okay? He called us a cult.
106 00:04:55,295 00:04:58,012 - Yeah, and you can explain why we're not. - Yeah, and you can explain why we're not.
107 00:04:58,036 00:05:00,667 Eddie, it's a... it's a very good show. Eddie, it's a... it's a very good show.
108 00:05:00,691 00:05:03,191 It's popular, and Ruben will moderate. It's popular, and Ruben will moderate.
109 00:05:03,215 00:05:07,283 I... I think it's a good move. I... I think it's a good move.
110 00:05:07,307 00:05:10,177 - Eddie. You have to do this. - Eddie. You have to do this.
111 00:05:12,486 00:05:14,176 - I agree. - I agree.
112 00:05:15,880 00:05:17,771 You have to go on that show. You have to go on that show.
113 00:05:17,795 00:05:20,034 Defend us. Defend us.
114 00:05:20,058 00:05:21,408 And Steve. And Steve.
115 00:05:28,240 00:05:29,870 - I can't do this. - I can't do this.
116 00:05:29,894 00:05:31,481 Cal. Cal.
117 00:05:31,505 00:05:33,787 I mean, I... I mean, I...
118 00:05:33,811 00:05:37,031 Can go on and defend myself, but how can I defend him? Can go on and defend myself, but how can I defend him?
119 00:05:39,077 00:05:41,077 - Um... - Um...
120 00:05:43,734 00:05:46,409 I'll do it. I'll do it.
121 00:05:46,433 00:05:48,106 He's taken enough from me. He's taken enough from me.
122 00:05:48,130 00:05:50,740 It's time. It's time.
123 00:05:52,917 00:05:54,347 - Are you sure? - Are you sure?
124 00:05:58,270 00:06:00,360 - I'd really like to do this. - I'd really like to do this.
125 00:06:13,329 00:06:15,769 - Mary? Buck needs to see you. - Mary? Buck needs to see you.
126 00:06:18,116 00:06:19,442 I didn't read that article, I didn't read that article,
127 00:06:19,466 00:06:21,879 the exposé in "The New Yorker." the exposé in "The New Yorker."
128 00:06:21,903 00:06:24,360 I mean, you spend your time reading magazines, I mean, you spend your time reading magazines,
129 00:06:24,384 00:06:26,057 you don't get shit else done in your day. you don't get shit else done in your day.
130 00:06:26,081 00:06:27,537 But one of my interns, they have Google alerts But one of my interns, they have Google alerts
131 00:06:27,561 00:06:29,800 for everything. - It's not true. for everything. - It's not true.
132 00:06:29,824 00:06:31,105 - I did skim it. - I did skim it.
133 00:06:31,129 00:06:32,846 Some other woman involved? Some other woman involved?
134 00:06:32,870 00:06:34,960 Always a woman behind the man, huh? Always a woman behind the man, huh?
135 00:06:36,961 00:06:39,141 - So, that's it? - So, that's it?
136 00:06:44,055 00:06:46,251 - I called your husband because I have a problem. - I called your husband because I have a problem.
137 00:06:46,275 00:06:48,645 An impulse that I can't control. An impulse that I can't control.
138 00:06:48,669 00:06:52,388 An impulse that I know could destroy me. An impulse that I know could destroy me.
139 00:06:52,412 00:06:55,434 And you are actually helping me. And you are actually helping me.
140 00:06:55,458 00:06:58,350 - Meyerism is effective. - Meyerism is effective.
141 00:06:58,374 00:07:00,265 - You're effective. - You're effective.
142 00:07:00,289 00:07:02,729 You're a force, you know that? You're a force, you know that?
143 00:07:05,250 00:07:09,274 What if you came to work for me? What if you came to work for me?
144 00:07:09,298 00:07:12,016 Be on my staff. Be on my staff.
145 00:07:12,040 00:07:13,626 - As what? - Executive Assistant - As what? - Executive Assistant
146 00:07:13,650 00:07:15,541 but you'd function as an advisor. but you'd function as an advisor.
147 00:07:15,565 00:07:17,238 I want you on the team when I run for governor. I want you on the team when I run for governor.
148 00:07:17,262 00:07:20,546 You'd get hands-on campaign experience, and... You'd get hands-on campaign experience, and...
149 00:07:20,570 00:07:23,375 Then when we move to Albany, you can transition to be Then when we move to Albany, you can transition to be
150 00:07:23,399 00:07:25,638 in my office there, if you wanted. in my office there, if you wanted.
151 00:07:25,662 00:07:28,192 - I'll admit it's enticing. - I'll admit it's enticing.
152 00:07:29,710 00:07:31,427 - Health insurance for you and your family, - Health insurance for you and your family,
153 00:07:31,451 00:07:34,212 travel stipend, full-time salary. travel stipend, full-time salary.
154 00:07:34,236 00:07:35,648 I mean... I mean...
155 00:07:35,672 00:07:38,346 It's government so you're not gonna be rich, It's government so you're not gonna be rich,
156 00:07:38,370 00:07:42,030 but it'd be something like... but it'd be something like...
157 00:07:44,202 00:07:46,529 - What about Cal? - What about him? - What about Cal? - What about him?
158 00:07:46,553 00:07:50,707 - He's the... the one with the insight. - He's the... the one with the insight.
159 00:07:50,731 00:07:53,144 - I don't know. - I don't know.
160 00:07:53,168 00:07:54,537 He didn't charm the pants off He didn't charm the pants off
161 00:07:54,561 00:07:55,755 the ladies for reproductive rights, the ladies for reproductive rights,
162 00:07:55,779 00:07:57,670 and he didn't keep me and he didn't keep me
163 00:07:57,694 00:07:59,324 from getting a hollow blow job from getting a hollow blow job
164 00:07:59,348 00:08:01,500 from that waitress afterward. from that waitress afterward.
165 00:08:01,524 00:08:03,371 You did. You did.
166 00:08:03,395 00:08:05,286 - And the fact that I'm a Meyerist? - And the fact that I'm a Meyerist?
167 00:08:05,310 00:08:06,592 - Oh. - Oh.
168 00:08:06,616 00:08:07,767 I believe in the separation I believe in the separation
169 00:08:07,791 00:08:09,813 of Church and State. of Church and State.
170 00:08:09,837 00:08:12,642 Of course, if it came out on the campaign trail, Of course, if it came out on the campaign trail,
171 00:08:12,666 00:08:14,774 that would be annoying, but that would be annoying, but
172 00:08:14,798 00:08:16,758 personally it doesn't bother me. personally it doesn't bother me.
173 00:08:20,674 00:08:22,504 - What the fuck, Sarah? - What the fuck, Sarah?
174 00:08:24,155 00:08:26,699 - I know. I'm furious. - I know. I'm furious.
175 00:08:26,723 00:08:29,441 - How could you trust someone like that? - How could you trust someone like that?
176 00:08:29,465 00:08:31,182 - I met him at a vulnerable time. - I met him at a vulnerable time.
177 00:08:31,206 00:08:32,705 I'm going to talk to him. I'm going to talk to him.
178 00:08:32,729 00:08:34,446 - You're done with him, okay? - You're done with him, okay?
179 00:08:34,470 00:08:36,579 I need you now. I need you now.
180 00:08:36,603 00:08:39,625 Everything that he knows I need to know and more. Everything that he knows I need to know and more.
181 00:08:39,649 00:08:41,714 Okay? Okay?
182 00:08:41,738 00:08:43,518 Let's go. Let's go.
183 00:09:00,278 00:09:02,605 So you were one of Steve's patients. So you were one of Steve's patients.
184 00:09:02,629 00:09:04,824 Yes. Yes.
185 00:09:04,848 00:09:08,132 - And The Ladder. You saw in your dreams? - And The Ladder. You saw in your dreams?
186 00:09:08,156 00:09:09,829 - Visions, yes. - Visions, yes.
187 00:09:09,853 00:09:12,266 - So what happened on Huayna Picchu? - So what happened on Huayna Picchu?
188 00:09:12,290 00:09:15,139 - I don't know. I wasn't there. - I don't know. I wasn't there.
189 00:09:15,163 00:09:18,882 But Steve had a wonderful imagination. But Steve had a wonderful imagination.
190 00:09:18,906 00:09:20,579 - All right, so what's the difference - All right, so what's the difference
191 00:09:20,603 00:09:24,452 between Steve's imagination and your dreams? between Steve's imagination and your dreams?
192 00:09:24,476 00:09:26,542 - My dreams come true. - My dreams come true.
193 00:09:26,566 00:09:29,762 So Eddie has to die for your apocalypse to happen? So Eddie has to die for your apocalypse to happen?
194 00:09:29,786 00:09:32,460 Eddie doesn't have to die. Eddie doesn't have to die.
195 00:09:32,484 00:09:34,506 Eddie gets to die. Eddie gets to die.
196 00:09:34,530 00:09:37,422 What if you're just a mentally ill person. What if you're just a mentally ill person.
197 00:09:37,446 00:09:39,576 I'm not. I'm not.
198 00:09:43,321 00:09:45,778 Why not ask the professor about all of this? Why not ask the professor about all of this?
199 00:09:45,802 00:09:47,301 He seems to know more than anyone. He seems to know more than anyone.
200 00:09:47,325 00:09:48,781 - How do you know about that? - How do you know about that?
201 00:09:48,805 00:09:49,782 - We get "The New Yorker" in the loony bin, dear. - We get "The New Yorker" in the loony bin, dear.
202 00:09:49,806 00:09:52,742 We're not savages. We're not savages.
203 00:09:52,766 00:09:55,286 It was you, wasn't it, Sarah? It was you, wasn't it, Sarah?
204 00:09:56,639 00:09:58,399 I thought so. I thought so.
205 00:09:58,423 00:10:00,750 All that information about me had to come from you. All that information about me had to come from you.
206 00:10:00,774 00:10:05,798 Well... I wish I could change the future. Well... I wish I could change the future.
207 00:10:05,822 00:10:08,975 But I can't. None of us can. But I can't. None of us can.
208 00:10:08,999 00:10:12,089 You understand, Eddie. You've had visions too. You understand, Eddie. You've had visions too.
209 00:10:22,099 00:10:25,629 All right, well, thank you, Lilith. All right, well, thank you, Lilith.
210 00:10:27,278 00:10:31,824 Vera, I want you to get her out of here. Vera, I want you to get her out of here.
211 00:10:31,848 00:10:33,957 - That's... that's not a good idea. - That's... that's not a good idea.
212 00:10:33,981 00:10:36,263 - I don't care. - I don't care.
213 00:10:36,287 00:10:38,004 - No, she's right. - No, she's right.
214 00:10:38,028 00:10:40,877 Lilith has manipulated and lied. Lilith has manipulated and lied.
215 00:10:40,901 00:10:44,576 - Eddie. You don't know her. - Eddie. You don't know her.
216 00:10:44,600 00:10:46,186 If she's out in the world, she'll make sure If she's out in the world, she'll make sure
217 00:10:46,210 00:10:47,840 that prophecy comes true. that prophecy comes true.
218 00:10:47,864 00:10:50,713 - Well, I don't want to lock up someone for - Well, I don't want to lock up someone for
219 00:10:50,737 00:10:52,802 her ideas. her ideas.
220 00:10:52,826 00:10:55,587 That's exactly what Steve did to her. That's exactly what Steve did to her.
221 00:10:58,092 00:11:00,244 Get her out. Get her out.
222 00:11:00,268 00:11:07,058
223 00:11:24,335 00:11:26,375 - I had to do it. - I had to do it.
224 00:11:33,083 00:11:39,022 - I think maybe my father wasn't my father. - I think maybe my father wasn't my father.
225 00:11:39,046 00:11:41,415 - What are you talking about? - What are you talking about?
226 00:11:41,439 00:11:44,157 - There was this man named Rajeev. - There was this man named Rajeev.
227 00:11:44,181 00:11:45,985 He went to college with my parents. He went to college with my parents.
228 00:11:46,009 00:11:48,945 He was my dad's best friend. He was my dad's best friend.
229 00:11:48,969 00:11:52,209 When I was a child, he would, you know, visit in the summers, When I was a child, he would, you know, visit in the summers,
230 00:11:52,233 00:11:55,299 holidays, that kind of thing. Always brought me something. holidays, that kind of thing. Always brought me something.
231 00:11:55,323 00:11:59,259 One night I woke up to get some water. One night I woke up to get some water.
232 00:11:59,283 00:12:02,654 My mother and Rajeev were arguing in the kitchen, My mother and Rajeev were arguing in the kitchen,
233 00:12:02,678 00:12:07,746 and I walked in, I saw tears and I walked in, I saw tears
234 00:12:07,770 00:12:11,663 in my mother's eyes, and I just knew... in my mother's eyes, and I just knew...
235 00:12:11,687 00:12:13,796 They must have been lovers. They must have been lovers.
236 00:12:13,820 00:12:16,146 It made sense to me. It made sense to me.
237 00:12:16,170 00:12:20,106 My whole childhood I never felt like my parents. My whole childhood I never felt like my parents.
238 00:12:20,130 00:12:23,762 They were scientists. I liked stories. They were scientists. I liked stories.
239 00:12:23,786 00:12:27,356 I always felt like I had been born into the wrong family. I always felt like I had been born into the wrong family.
240 00:12:30,184 00:12:32,640 - What happened to him? - What happened to him?
241 00:12:32,664 00:12:36,104 - He died of a brain tumor before he was 30. - He died of a brain tumor before he was 30.
242 00:12:39,541 00:12:41,780 - Why are you telling me all of this now? - Why are you telling me all of this now?
243 00:12:41,804 00:12:45,175 - There are things I haven't told you. - There are things I haven't told you.
244 00:12:45,199 00:12:48,439 Things I need you to know. Things I need you to know.
245 00:12:48,463 00:12:50,513 About me. About me.
246 00:12:52,815 00:12:54,375 - Why? - Why?
247 00:12:57,428 00:12:59,232 Why now? Why now?
248 00:12:59,256 00:13:02,366 - Because I saw it. The end. - Because I saw it. The end.
249 00:13:02,390 00:13:06,457 It's gonna be in Bali. It's gonna be in Bali.
250 00:13:06,481 00:13:10,374 - Wait. Who... who told you about Bali? - Wait. Who... who told you about Bali?
251 00:13:10,398 00:13:13,681 - Who told me what about Bali? - Who told me what about Bali?
252 00:13:13,705 00:13:16,859 - That we're going there to set up a new site. - That we're going there to set up a new site.
253 00:13:16,883 00:13:19,644 - When? - When?
254 00:13:19,668 00:13:24,127 - Wait, wait. You're telling me no one told you about Bali, - Wait, wait. You're telling me no one told you about Bali,
255 00:13:24,151 00:13:26,216 but somehow you just... you just know? but somehow you just... you just know?
256 00:13:26,240 00:13:28,392 - I saw it. - I saw it.
257 00:13:28,416 00:13:30,307 - You set this up. - You set this up.
258 00:13:30,331 00:13:32,439 You set this whole thing up. You set this whole thing up.
259 00:13:32,463 00:13:35,399 - No, I didn't, and that is how I know it's real. - No, I didn't, and that is how I know it's real.
260 00:13:38,426 00:13:41,144 - Okay. What did you see? - Okay. What did you see?
261 00:13:41,168 00:13:43,059 - A palace. - A palace.
262 00:13:43,083 00:13:45,365 A pond. A pond.
263 00:13:45,389 00:13:48,412 Surrounded by lotus flowers. Surrounded by lotus flowers.
264 00:13:48,436 00:13:50,893 Lit by the hunter's moon. Lit by the hunter's moon.
265 00:13:50,917 00:13:57,638
266 00:13:57,662 00:14:00,250 - I... I need to unburden. - I... I need to unburden.
267 00:14:00,274 00:14:02,426 I read some of Professor Neill's article. I read some of Professor Neill's article.
268 00:14:02,450 00:14:04,384 I did too. I did too.
269 00:14:04,408 00:14:07,257 - Is it true? - Come on, guys. - Is it true? - Come on, guys.
270 00:14:07,281 00:14:08,911 All that, you know it's bullshit. All that, you know it's bullshit.
271 00:14:08,935 00:14:10,521 - But he says he was given access - But he says he was given access
272 00:14:10,545 00:14:12,175 to Steve's early journals. to Steve's early journals.
273 00:14:12,199 00:14:14,568 - This guy is trying to sell a book - This guy is trying to sell a book
274 00:14:14,592 00:14:16,832 by making up a bunch of stuff about us. by making up a bunch of stuff about us.
275 00:14:16,856 00:14:18,572 - But who talked to him? - But who talked to him?
276 00:14:18,596 00:14:20,357 I mean, we're supposed to be transparent, I mean, we're supposed to be transparent,
277 00:14:20,381 00:14:21,837 but nobody's come forward. but nobody's come forward.
278 00:14:21,861 00:14:23,316 - We are looking into it. - We are looking into it.
279 00:14:23,340 00:14:24,840 It's most likely someone who left. It's most likely someone who left.
280 00:14:24,864 00:14:26,624 - Yeah, but why would someone want to do that? - Yeah, but why would someone want to do that?
281 00:14:26,648 00:14:28,626 - Yeah, seriously, what do they have against us? - Yeah, seriously, what do they have against us?
282 00:14:28,650 00:14:32,456 - Our mom asked if we were in a cult and I said I don't know. - Our mom asked if we were in a cult and I said I don't know.
283 00:14:32,480 00:14:33,849 - Okay. - Okay.
284 00:14:33,873 00:14:36,403 Look, this is exactly what he wants. Look, this is exactly what he wants.
285 00:14:39,226 00:14:42,640 I need everyone to look at me. I need everyone to look at me.
286 00:14:42,664 00:14:46,122 We're not a cult. We're not a cult.
287 00:14:46,146 00:14:51,301 We are not... A cult. We are not... A cult.
288 00:14:51,325 00:14:53,405 Okay? Okay?
289 00:14:56,983 00:14:59,483 Mr. Roberts, tell us a little bit Mr. Roberts, tell us a little bit
290 00:14:59,507 00:15:03,487 about your history with The Movement. about your history with The Movement.
291 00:15:03,511 00:15:05,706 - Well, Mr. Wise, I came to Meyerism - Well, Mr. Wise, I came to Meyerism
292 00:15:05,730 00:15:07,317 when I was a young child. when I was a young child.
293 00:15:07,341 00:15:09,493 My parents were, ah, My parents were, ah,
294 00:15:09,517 00:15:11,930 unfit to care for me. - You said "ah." unfit to care for me. - You said "ah."
295 00:15:11,954 00:15:13,714 And you should call him Ruben. And you should call him Ruben.
296 00:15:13,738 00:15:16,518 All the other guests do, I checked. All the other guests do, I checked.
297 00:15:18,482 00:15:20,721 - All right. Well, Ruben, - All right. Well, Ruben,
298 00:15:20,745 00:15:22,854 I came to Meyerism when I was a young child. I came to Meyerism when I was a young child.
299 00:15:22,878 00:15:24,682 My parents were unfit to care for me, My parents were unfit to care for me,
300 00:15:24,706 00:15:27,859 and the community embraced me in their absence. and the community embraced me in their absence.
301 00:15:27,883 00:15:33,256 The compound became my home and still is to this day. The compound became my home and still is to this day.
302 00:15:33,280 00:15:35,693 - Professor Neill describes Dr. Steven Meyer as - Professor Neill describes Dr. Steven Meyer as
303 00:15:35,717 00:15:38,826 "a master manipulator, who stole the tenet of the religion "a master manipulator, who stole the tenet of the religion
304 00:15:38,850 00:15:42,918 from a very ill, young female patient." from a very ill, young female patient."
305 00:15:42,942 00:15:45,007 - Dr. Meyer did no such thing. - Dr. Meyer did no such thing.
306 00:15:45,031 00:15:47,705 His aim was to help people His aim was to help people
307 00:15:47,729 00:15:48,967 and, uh, - Sorry, I... and, uh, - Sorry, I...
308 00:15:48,991 00:15:50,664 I can't let you do this. - Hang on. I can't let you do this. - Hang on.
309 00:15:50,688 00:15:53,624 Hang... let me figure out the right way to say it. Hang... let me figure out the right way to say it.
310 00:15:58,000 00:16:00,326 Hm. Hm.
311 00:16:00,350 00:16:02,807 - You're defending him. - You're defending him.
312 00:16:02,831 00:16:04,678 - Hmm? - Hmm?
313 00:16:04,702 00:16:07,638 - I don't know the details. - I don't know the details.
314 00:16:07,662 00:16:09,553 But I know. But I know.
315 00:16:09,577 00:16:11,927 I know Steve abused you. I know Steve abused you.
316 00:16:21,763 00:16:23,306 - Yeah. - Yeah.
317 00:16:23,330 00:16:26,570 - Then why... how can you do this? - Then why... how can you do this?
318 00:16:26,594 00:16:28,398 - Because I want to own the narrative. - Because I want to own the narrative.
319 00:16:28,422 00:16:29,660 - Going on a TV show and saying - Going on a TV show and saying
320 00:16:29,684 00:16:31,270 that Steve was a brilliant man that Steve was a brilliant man
321 00:16:31,294 00:16:32,968 isn't owning anything. - No, you're wrong. isn't owning anything. - No, you're wrong.
322 00:16:32,992 00:16:35,579 Because he's dead and now I get to speak for his Movement Because he's dead and now I get to speak for his Movement
323 00:16:35,603 00:16:36,580 and have his followers. and have his followers.
324 00:16:36,604 00:16:37,929 He couldn't destroy me, He couldn't destroy me,
325 00:16:37,953 00:16:39,365 and now I'm the one with the power. and now I'm the one with the power.
326 00:16:39,389 00:16:40,453 - Are you listening to yourself? - Are you listening to yourself?
327 00:16:40,477 00:16:41,802 - What would you rather me do? - What would you rather me do?
328 00:16:41,826 00:16:43,674 Crawl into a hole and give it all away, Crawl into a hole and give it all away,
329 00:16:43,698 00:16:45,868 everything I've earned? everything I've earned?
330 00:16:48,572 00:16:51,290 - Harbaugh offered me a full-time job. - Harbaugh offered me a full-time job.
331 00:16:51,314 00:16:53,423 - Well, we... we can't do that. - Well, we... we can't do that.
332 00:16:53,447 00:16:54,859 We have responsibilities to Meyerism. We have responsibilities to Meyerism.
333 00:16:54,883 00:16:57,775 - Not... us. - Not... us.
334 00:16:57,799 00:16:58,969 Me. Me.
335 00:17:03,109 00:17:04,695 - What did you tell him? - What did you tell him?
336 00:17:04,719 00:17:08,525 - That I needed to think about it. - That I needed to think about it.
337 00:17:08,549 00:17:10,614 This is what we want, right? This is what we want, right?
338 00:17:10,638 00:17:13,399 - Selling your soul to protect a pervert's reputation? - Selling your soul to protect a pervert's reputation?
339 00:17:13,423 00:17:14,748 Not really. - Isn't that what you're doing? Not really. - Isn't that what you're doing?
340 00:17:14,772 00:17:18,448 Going on that TV show? Going on that TV show?
341 00:17:18,472 00:17:20,450 - Mary, I'm your husband. - You're not my husband. - Mary, I'm your husband. - You're not my husband.
342 00:17:20,474 00:17:23,670 - I'm your partner. - I'm your partner.
343 00:17:23,694 00:17:25,890 - And Harbaugh's not a pervert. - And Harbaugh's not a pervert.
344 00:17:25,914 00:17:28,284 He's a messed up person just like the rest of us He's a messed up person just like the rest of us
345 00:17:28,308 00:17:31,852 except that he is really trying to do something about it. except that he is really trying to do something about it.
346 00:17:31,876 00:17:34,029 He wants to change. He wants to change.
347 00:17:36,098 00:17:38,816
348 00:17:38,840 00:17:41,500 - Please don't take that job. - Please don't take that job.
349 00:17:44,063 00:17:46,503 - Please don't go on that show. - Please don't go on that show.
350 00:17:48,110 00:17:52,395 Okay, so Vera was born in 1981. Okay, so Vera was born in 1981.
351 00:17:52,419 00:17:55,702 So that puts Lilith on the compound So that puts Lilith on the compound
352 00:17:55,726 00:17:58,488 the summer of 1980. the summer of 1980.
353 00:17:58,512 00:18:00,838 Same year that Steve transcribed Same year that Steve transcribed
354 00:18:00,862 00:18:02,883 the ninth and tenth rungs. the ninth and tenth rungs.
355 00:18:02,907 00:18:05,016 Actually, will you grab the ninth rung Actually, will you grab the ninth rung
356 00:18:05,040 00:18:08,019 so we can see what the language looks like? so we can see what the language looks like?
357 00:18:08,043 00:18:10,804 Wow. Wow.
358 00:18:16,791 00:18:18,899 I'm, um... I'm gonna take this really quick. I'm, um... I'm gonna take this really quick.
359 00:18:18,923 00:18:21,859 - Fine, I'll... I'll step out. You stay. - Fine, I'll... I'll step out. You stay.
360 00:18:21,883 00:18:24,063 - Oh. Thanks. - Oh. Thanks.
361 00:18:26,192 00:18:27,995 Hey. - Are you in your office? Hey. - Are you in your office?
362 00:18:28,019 00:18:30,520 - Uh. No. - I, uh... - Uh. No. - I, uh...
363 00:18:30,544 00:18:32,522 Okay, we need to... we need to meet up. Okay, we need to... we need to meet up.
364 00:18:32,546 00:18:34,785 I have something to tell you. I have something to tell you.
365 00:18:34,809 00:18:37,527 - Look, I'm just kind of tied up at the moment, working. - Look, I'm just kind of tied up at the moment, working.
366 00:18:37,551 00:18:40,791 - Eddie, we have to cancel the trip to Bali. - Eddie, we have to cancel the trip to Bali.
367 00:18:40,815 00:18:42,793 - Why? - My mom just had a vision, - Why? - My mom just had a vision,
368 00:18:42,817 00:18:44,534 and she said that's where's it's all going to happen. and she said that's where's it's all going to happen.
369 00:18:44,558 00:18:48,364 - No. No, I am not living in fear of your mother. - No. No, I am not living in fear of your mother.
370 00:18:48,388 00:18:50,714 And neither should you. - No, I... Eddie. And neither should you. - No, I... Eddie.
371 00:18:50,738 00:18:52,759 - Look, I have to go. - Eddie, please. - Look, I have to go. - Eddie, please.
372 00:18:52,783 00:18:55,066 - I'm just... I'm in the middle of something, okay? - I'm just... I'm in the middle of something, okay?
373 00:18:55,090 00:18:57,140 I will call you later. I will call you later.
374 00:19:08,756 00:19:15,806
375 00:19:36,479 00:19:37,587 Hey. Hey.
376 00:19:43,007 00:19:44,787 Vera? Vera?
377 00:19:46,924 00:19:49,686 Did you tell her you were here? Did you tell her you were here?
378 00:19:49,710 00:19:50,991 - No. - No.
379 00:19:51,015 00:19:52,993 - I don't want to be in the middle - I don't want to be in the middle
380 00:19:53,017 00:19:54,995 of your relationship. of your relationship.
381 00:19:55,019 00:19:58,499 - You kind of are in the middle, Sarah. - You kind of are in the middle, Sarah.
382 00:20:00,199 00:20:03,613 You done working for the night? You done working for the night?
383 00:20:03,637 00:20:06,727 - Does anyone know about me? About Jackson? - Does anyone know about me? About Jackson?
384 00:20:08,946 00:20:11,011 - No. - No.
385 00:20:11,035 00:20:15,494 Cal is going head to head with him on Ruben Wise. Cal is going head to head with him on Ruben Wise.
386 00:20:15,518 00:20:18,802 - To defend Steve? - To defend Steve?
387 00:20:18,826 00:20:20,630 He... He...
388 00:20:20,654 00:20:23,981 He shouldn't do that. That is not a fair fight. He shouldn't do that. That is not a fair fight.
389 00:20:24,005 00:20:26,636 - Yeah, well, he wants to. - Why? - Yeah, well, he wants to. - Why?
390 00:20:26,660 00:20:29,160 It's not like his book is going to destroy The Movement. It's not like his book is going to destroy The Movement.
391 00:20:29,184 00:20:32,816 You're opening up a center in Bali. You're opening up a center in Bali.
392 00:20:32,840 00:20:37,168 - Only Vera wants me to cancel. - Only Vera wants me to cancel.
393 00:20:37,192 00:20:40,040 - Why? - Why?
394 00:20:40,064 00:20:41,781 - Her mom thinks that's where - Her mom thinks that's where
395 00:20:41,805 00:20:45,176 the fucking prophecy's gonna happen. the fucking prophecy's gonna happen.
396 00:20:45,200 00:20:48,135 - And, um... - And, um...
397 00:20:48,159 00:20:50,529 What do you think about her prophecy? What do you think about her prophecy?
398 00:20:50,553 00:20:52,227 You both have visions, she said it. You both have visions, she said it.
399 00:20:52,251 00:20:54,838 - I'll know when this is all over. - I'll know when this is all over.
400 00:20:54,862 00:20:58,233 - Maybe you shouldn't go. - Maybe you shouldn't go.
401 00:20:58,257 00:21:01,671 - You believe Lilith? - I don't. - You believe Lilith? - I don't.
402 00:21:01,695 00:21:03,890 But maybe after you're done doing all this work, But maybe after you're done doing all this work,
403 00:21:03,914 00:21:07,503 we're done doing this work, maybe... we're done doing this work, maybe...
404 00:21:07,527 00:21:10,114 You'll feel like none of it's real. You'll feel like none of it's real.
405 00:21:10,138 00:21:12,508 - That's not going to happen. - That's not going to happen.
406 00:21:12,532 00:21:13,987 - It happened to me. - It happened to me.
407 00:21:14,011 00:21:16,860 - No, what happened to you, Sarah, - No, what happened to you, Sarah,
408 00:21:16,884 00:21:20,080 is that you started digging up the truth. is that you started digging up the truth.
409 00:21:20,104 00:21:25,695 And all of the contradictions made you lose your way. And all of the contradictions made you lose your way.
410 00:21:25,719 00:21:29,699 But we are going to finish this, and when we do, But we are going to finish this, and when we do,
411 00:21:29,723 00:21:33,268 we will understand what we need to do. we will understand what we need to do.
412 00:21:33,292 00:21:36,619 And then it will all be real again. And then it will all be real again.
413 00:21:36,643 00:21:38,953 I promise. I promise.
414 00:21:49,743 00:21:56,323
415 00:21:59,840 00:22:02,906 - Excuse me. - Excuse me.
416 00:22:02,930 00:22:05,256 Could I have a whiskey? Could I have a whiskey?
417 00:22:05,280 00:22:08,630 - You 21? - I forgot my I.D. - You 21? - I forgot my I.D.
418 00:22:10,677 00:22:13,897 - What kind? - Anything. - What kind? - Anything.
419 00:22:25,561 00:22:28,453 - Are you in my history of photo class? - Are you in my history of photo class?
420 00:22:28,477 00:22:31,500 - Um, no... I don't... I don't think so. - Um, no... I don't... I don't think so.
421 00:22:31,524 00:22:33,980 - I just said that so I could talk to you. - I just said that so I could talk to you.
422 00:22:34,004 00:22:35,895 - Oh. - Oh.
423 00:22:35,919 00:22:39,377 - So are you at Tisch? - So are you at Tisch?
424 00:22:39,401 00:22:43,512 - No, actually, I don't go to school. - No, actually, I don't go to school.
425 00:22:43,536 00:22:45,406 - What do you do? - What do you do?
426 00:22:47,844 00:22:54,436 I... I am on the... leadership team I... I am on the... leadership team
427 00:22:54,460 00:22:56,829 of a spiritual movement. of a spiritual movement.
428 00:22:56,853 00:22:58,918 - What do you mean? Like a start-up? - What do you mean? Like a start-up?
429 00:22:58,942 00:23:01,660 - No, like a cult. - No, like a cult.
430 00:23:01,684 00:23:04,228 - You're in a cult? - Some... - You're in a cult? - Some...
431 00:23:04,252 00:23:06,839 Some people like to think so, yeah. Some people like to think so, yeah.
432 00:23:08,430 00:23:10,582 That's awesome. That's awesome.
433 00:23:10,606 00:23:13,977 I always wanted to meet somebody in a cult. I always wanted to meet somebody in a cult.
434 00:23:14,001 00:23:19,417 Uh, so like... What do they make you do? Uh, so like... What do they make you do?
435 00:23:19,441 00:23:23,290 - Nothing, really. My dad's in charge, so... - Nothing, really. My dad's in charge, so...
436 00:23:23,314 00:23:26,032 - Your dad is the cult leader? - Your dad is the cult leader?
437 00:23:26,056 00:23:29,906 That's amazing. I'm buying you a drink. That's amazing. I'm buying you a drink.
438 00:23:29,930 00:23:31,821 - Excuse me. - Excuse me.
439 00:23:31,845 00:23:36,826 Can we get two shots of tequila, please? Can we get two shots of tequila, please?
440 00:23:36,850 00:23:39,263 Thanks. Thanks.
441 00:23:39,287 00:23:43,417 - So, what kind of cult is it? - So, what kind of cult is it?
442 00:23:45,467 00:23:49,447 A nice cult? - Yeah. A nice cult? - Yeah.
443 00:23:49,471 00:23:52,450 - Is that possible? - I think so. - Is that possible? - I think so.
444 00:23:52,474 00:23:54,354 - Okay. - Okay.
445 00:23:57,044 00:23:59,394 - To nice cults. - Mm. - To nice cults. - Mm.
446 00:24:07,794 00:24:09,641 I think that deserves another round. I think that deserves another round.
447 00:24:09,665 00:24:11,774 - Yes, please. - Yes, please.
448 00:24:14,801 00:24:21,901
449 00:24:26,508 00:24:29,487 So, you'll understand if we have to cut off ties So, you'll understand if we have to cut off ties
450 00:24:29,511 00:24:31,750 and the trip to Bali. and the trip to Bali.
451 00:24:33,341 00:24:34,971 - We all make bad decisions. - We all make bad decisions.
452 00:24:34,995 00:24:37,843 You're not a bad person. I know that. You're not a bad person. I know that.
453 00:24:37,867 00:24:39,976 You have the resources to handle this. You have the resources to handle this.
454 00:24:40,000 00:24:41,934 - I don't know what you're talking about. - I don't know what you're talking about.
455 00:24:41,958 00:24:44,981 - I'm gonna have to ask you to please not contact us again. - I'm gonna have to ask you to please not contact us again.
456 00:24:45,005 00:24:47,070 - Please, help me. - Please, help me.
457 00:24:47,094 00:24:48,767 I'm extremely confused. I'm extremely confused.
458 00:24:50,706 00:24:52,771 - I'm guessing that's your lawyer. - I'm guessing that's your lawyer.
459 00:24:52,795 00:24:55,535 You're gonna want to take that. You're gonna want to take that.
460 00:24:57,452 00:24:59,474 - How did you know? - How did you know?
461 00:24:59,498 00:25:02,999 - I heard they found some nasty stuff in your hotels. - I heard they found some nasty stuff in your hotels.
462 00:25:06,766 00:25:09,396 You should try and be a little more discreet next time. You should try and be a little more discreet next time.
463 00:25:09,420 00:25:14,793
464 00:25:14,817 00:25:16,517 - Hello? - Hello?
465 00:25:20,693 00:25:23,672
466 00:25:23,696 00:25:26,526 I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything about that.
467 00:25:32,487 00:25:34,465 - He was so thorough. - He was so thorough.
468 00:25:34,489 00:25:36,598 - Mm. - Mm.
469 00:25:36,622 00:25:38,730 That's what happens when you consider yourself a god. That's what happens when you consider yourself a god.
470 00:25:38,754 00:25:43,082 You assume that you're leaving behind a legacy. You assume that you're leaving behind a legacy.
471 00:25:43,106 00:25:47,016 Man, who knows what's from The Light and what's fiction. Man, who knows what's from The Light and what's fiction.
472 00:25:49,025 00:25:50,612 - Do you want to get something to eat? - Do you want to get something to eat?
473 00:25:50,636 00:25:52,048 - No, I'm all right. - No, I'm all right.
474 00:25:52,072 00:25:53,602 - When was the last time you ate? - When was the last time you ate?
475 00:25:55,292 00:25:57,432 What day is it? What day is it?
476 00:25:59,296 00:26:00,970 Here. Here.
477 00:26:00,994 00:26:02,654 - Thanks. - Thanks.
478 00:26:17,576 00:26:20,056 - This has our wedding in it. - This has our wedding in it.
479 00:26:21,623 00:26:23,645 - No, I don't want to hear what he has to say about us. - No, I don't want to hear what he has to say about us.
480 00:26:23,669 00:26:26,996 - It's not what he said. It's what you said. - It's not what he said. It's what you said.
481 00:26:27,020 00:26:29,110 - Mm. - Mm.
482 00:26:34,680 00:26:37,310 "Every moment of my life, my childhood, "Every moment of my life, my childhood,
483 00:26:37,334 00:26:40,270 the pain has all been worth it." the pain has all been worth it."
484 00:26:40,294 00:26:42,141 God, I was corny. God, I was corny.
485 00:26:42,165 00:26:43,752 - No. - No.
486 00:26:43,776 00:26:45,776 I love it. I love it.
487 00:26:48,215 00:26:50,215 "Because it led me to you." "Because it led me to you."
488 00:26:52,567 00:26:54,589 - You are kind. - You are kind.
489 00:26:54,613 00:26:57,200 You are beautiful. You are beautiful.
490 00:26:57,224 00:26:59,376 You are Light. You are Light.
491 00:26:59,400 00:27:02,450 - You have shown me what love is. - You have shown me what love is.
492 00:27:05,536 00:27:08,820 I wish I was still that person for you. I wish I was still that person for you.
493 00:27:08,844 00:27:11,064 - Hey. - Hey.
494 00:27:13,283 00:27:16,219 You still are. - No. You still are. - No.
495 00:27:16,243 00:27:18,700 - Yes. - I'm not. - Yes. - I'm not.
496 00:27:18,724 00:27:21,164 - Just in a different way. - Just in a different way.
497 00:27:27,602 00:27:29,172 Hey, Vera. Hey, Vera.
498 00:27:30,344 00:27:34,150 - Oh, so, this is what you're caught up with? - Oh, so, this is what you're caught up with?
499 00:27:34,174 00:27:37,094 - Vera. - I have nothing to say to you. - Vera. - I have nothing to say to you.
500 00:27:39,570 00:27:42,419 There's an entire Movement out there depending on you. There's an entire Movement out there depending on you.
501 00:27:42,443 00:27:44,726 People who believe in you. People who believe in you.
502 00:27:44,750 00:27:48,077 Counting on you, and you're in here... Counting on you, and you're in here...
503 00:27:48,101 00:27:51,341 Reading a bunch of Steve's shit! Reading a bunch of Steve's shit!
504 00:27:51,365 00:27:52,734 With a woman who sold you out With a woman who sold you out
505 00:27:52,758 00:27:54,387 to a safety school college professor. to a safety school college professor.
506 00:27:54,411 00:27:57,477 - That's enough. - No, it isn't. - That's enough. - No, it isn't.
507 00:27:57,501 00:27:59,654 Eddie, I believe in you. Eddie, I believe in you.
508 00:27:59,678 00:28:01,394 I believe in this Movement. I believe in this Movement.
509 00:28:01,418 00:28:03,832 I would destroy my life for it. I would destroy my life for it.
510 00:28:03,856 00:28:05,572 I would destroy everything I've worked I would destroy everything I've worked
511 00:28:05,596 00:28:06,748 so fucking hard to put behind me. so fucking hard to put behind me.
512 00:28:06,772 00:28:08,271 - What are you talking about? - What are you talking about?
513 00:28:08,295 00:28:10,186 - You should be out there fighting for us - You should be out there fighting for us
514 00:28:10,210 00:28:12,449 instead of hiding in here with... instead of hiding in here with...
515 00:28:12,473 00:28:14,756 someone who doesn't believe in it, or you. someone who doesn't believe in it, or you.
516 00:28:14,780 00:28:17,106 - Hey. - Hey.
517 00:28:20,133 00:28:23,112
518 00:28:26,139 00:28:28,465
519 00:28:28,489 00:28:29,771 Should we head back to Forest? Should we head back to Forest?
520 00:28:29,795 00:28:31,816 Yeah, in a minute. Yeah, in a minute.
521 00:28:31,840 00:28:36,190 It's so beautiful. - Yeah, it is. It's so beautiful. - Yeah, it is.
522 00:28:46,159 00:28:48,267 - I need to tell you something. - I need to tell you something.
523 00:28:49,858 00:28:52,707 It's just like I stole their music. It's just like I stole their music.
524 00:28:52,731 00:28:54,731 - What do you need to tell me? - Uh... - What do you need to tell me? - Uh...
525 00:28:57,213 00:28:59,322 Ah, I, um... Ah, I, um...
526 00:28:59,346 00:29:02,629 Maybe I'm not clear enough, um... Maybe I'm not clear enough, um...
527 00:29:02,653 00:29:04,327 I love you. - I know. I love you. - I know.
528 00:29:04,351 00:29:07,460 - No, no, no. No. No, okay, Mary... - No, no, no. No. No, okay, Mary...
529 00:29:07,484 00:29:10,812 I love you. I love you.
530 00:29:10,836 00:29:13,510 And, um... And, um...
531 00:29:13,534 00:29:18,471 I wanted to come out here today to the city because, uh... I wanted to come out here today to the city because, uh...
532 00:29:18,495 00:29:24,260 My parents and the compound and all the Steve stuff... My parents and the compound and all the Steve stuff...
533 00:29:24,284 00:29:27,176 It's the past. It's the past.
534 00:29:27,200 00:29:29,395 You are my future. You are my future.
535 00:29:29,419 00:29:32,224 You and Forest. You and Forest.
536 00:29:36,252 00:29:40,972 I... I thought of us as married for a long time, but... I... I thought of us as married for a long time, but...
537 00:29:40,996 00:29:44,426 you deserve to have a ring on your finger. you deserve to have a ring on your finger.
538 00:29:45,827 00:29:48,937 I mean, you deserve everything. I mean, you deserve everything.
539 00:29:48,961 00:29:52,723 I want to give it to you. I want to give it to you.
540 00:29:52,747 00:29:56,553 I will try to give it to you. I will try to give it to you.
541 00:29:56,577 00:29:59,469 So, uh... So, uh...
542 00:30:01,321 00:30:05,736 Mary Cox, will you marry me? Mary Cox, will you marry me?
543 00:30:05,760 00:30:07,738 - Really? - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah.
544 00:30:07,762 00:30:10,393 Well, um. Well, um.
545 00:30:10,417 00:30:12,395 I mean. I mean.
546 00:30:12,419 00:30:13,657 Wow, um. Wow, um.
547 00:30:13,681 00:30:15,528 Okay, so I'll take the job, Okay, so I'll take the job,
548 00:30:15,552 00:30:16,573 and we'll figure out the next steps. and we'll figure out the next steps.
549 00:30:16,597 00:30:17,966 And we'll start. - Yeah. And we'll start. - Yeah.
550 00:30:17,990 00:30:19,794 Yeah, I mean I'll still be with Meyerism. Yeah, I mean I'll still be with Meyerism.
551 00:30:19,818 00:30:21,839 - But you won't do the TV show? - But you won't do the TV show?
552 00:30:21,863 00:30:24,276 - Yeah, yeah, but with you at my side. - Yeah, yeah, but with you at my side.
553 00:30:25,911 00:30:27,889 - Is that why you're doing this? - Is that why you're doing this?
554 00:30:27,913 00:30:31,762 - No, no. No, that's not why. - Cal. - No, no. No, that's not why. - Cal.
555 00:30:31,786 00:30:34,025 I supported you, and I followed you I supported you, and I followed you
556 00:30:34,049 00:30:37,420 wherever you needed to be, but... wherever you needed to be, but...
557 00:30:37,444 00:30:41,467 You won't get better unless you leave this place. You won't get better unless you leave this place.
558 00:30:41,491 00:30:46,603 And, um... If you don't get better, And, um... If you don't get better,
559 00:30:46,627 00:30:49,432 I can't love you. I can't love you.
560 00:30:51,980 00:30:54,393
561 00:30:54,417 00:30:56,743 - You're wrong because I'm working on myself, - You're wrong because I'm working on myself,
562 00:30:56,767 00:30:59,007 and I'm in therapy. I'm in secular therapy. and I'm in therapy. I'm in secular therapy.
563 00:30:59,031 00:31:01,966 All right? And I'm making progress. All right? And I'm making progress.
564 00:31:01,990 00:31:04,795 - You'll never leave him. Or Meyerism, will you? - You'll never leave him. Or Meyerism, will you?
565 00:31:04,819 00:31:06,449 And you know how fucked up that is? And you know how fucked up that is?
566 00:31:06,473 00:31:08,364 - No, no, but I don't need to leave Meyerism. - No, no, but I don't need to leave Meyerism.
567 00:31:08,388 00:31:09,669 I need to take it back from him, I need to take it back from him,
568 00:31:09,693 00:31:11,454 and that is what I'm doing. and that is what I'm doing.
569 00:31:11,478 00:31:13,438 Okay? Okay?
570 00:31:16,526 00:31:18,656 - I'm gonna take the job. - I'm gonna take the job.
571 00:31:35,850 00:31:37,200 - Empirical evidence. - Empirical evidence.
572 00:31:39,288 00:31:42,338 Who has read Professor Neill's article? Who has read Professor Neill's article?
573 00:31:45,033 00:31:46,473 Be honest. Be honest.
574 00:31:47,906 00:31:49,796 Great. Great.
575 00:31:49,820 00:31:52,930 We are going to unburden with any questions and concerns. We are going to unburden with any questions and concerns.
576 00:31:52,954 00:31:54,627 - We don't have to do this, Hawk. - We don't have to do this, Hawk.
577 00:31:54,651 00:31:56,521 - Yes, we do. - Yes, we do.
578 00:31:58,525 00:32:01,721 Because in this Movement we do not oppose critical thinking. Because in this Movement we do not oppose critical thinking.
579 00:32:01,745 00:32:03,695 Could you hit the light, please? Could you hit the light, please?
580 00:32:06,011 00:32:10,078 Which, by the way, is the first sign Which, by the way, is the first sign
581 00:32:10,102 00:32:11,949 that you're in a cult that you're in a cult
582 00:32:11,973 00:32:14,983 according to the American Psychiatric Association. according to the American Psychiatric Association.
583 00:32:16,586 00:32:19,435 Monica. Do we "dishonor the family unit"? Monica. Do we "dishonor the family unit"?
584 00:32:19,459 00:32:21,785 - Um, no. - No. - Um, no. - No.
585 00:32:21,809 00:32:24,614 If I recall correctly, my dad actually encouraged you If I recall correctly, my dad actually encouraged you
586 00:32:24,638 00:32:27,548 to be loyal to your family instead of The Movement. to be loyal to your family instead of The Movement.
587 00:32:30,818 00:32:33,014 Do we penalize members for leaving? Do we penalize members for leaving?
588 00:32:33,038 00:32:36,321 - No. - No, Cal left, and he's back. - No. - No, Cal left, and he's back.
589 00:32:36,345 00:32:40,412 My dad left, and now he's The Guardian of the Light. My dad left, and now he's The Guardian of the Light.
590 00:32:40,436 00:32:43,502 So, no. Cross that off. Not a cult. So, no. Cross that off. Not a cult.
591 00:32:43,526 00:32:44,851 - Hawk. We get it. - Hawk. We get it.
592 00:32:44,875 00:32:46,679 - No, we're doing this. - No, we're doing this.
593 00:32:46,703 00:32:50,074 Garth, do we put down other churches and groups? Garth, do we put down other churches and groups?
594 00:32:50,098 00:32:52,120 - No, not that I know of. - Right. - No, not that I know of. - Right.
595 00:32:52,144 00:32:53,773 I dated someone from another faith. I dated someone from another faith.
596 00:32:53,797 00:32:56,646 I fucking loved someone from another faith. I fucking loved someone from another faith.
597 00:32:56,670 00:32:59,040 "Do you feel like something is being hidden from you?" "Do you feel like something is being hidden from you?"
598 00:32:59,064 00:33:00,345 - No. - No. - No. - No.
599 00:33:00,369 00:33:01,868 We are transparent. We are transparent.
600 00:33:01,892 00:33:04,436 "Are you told not to question what is taught?" "Are you told not to question what is taught?"
601 00:33:04,460 00:33:05,698 - No. - No, you can ask - No. - No, you can ask
602 00:33:05,722 00:33:07,744 any question, any time. any question, any time.
603 00:33:07,768 00:33:09,137 "Are you made to feel like a failure?" "Are you made to feel like a failure?"
604 00:33:09,161 00:33:11,052 No. No.
605 00:33:11,076 00:33:12,662 - "Do you feel like you have no home - "Do you feel like you have no home
606 00:33:12,686 00:33:13,924 outside of The Movement?" outside of The Movement?"
607 00:33:13,948 00:33:15,926 - No. - Great, so you guys get it. - No. - Great, so you guys get it.
608 00:33:15,950 00:33:19,799 Now, do you have any questions or concerns? Now, do you have any questions or concerns?
609 00:33:19,823 00:33:21,671 No! No!
610 00:33:40,540 00:33:44,410 - Right this way, Mr. Roberts. - Okay. All right, thank you. - Right this way, Mr. Roberts. - Okay. All right, thank you.
611 00:33:49,940 00:33:52,470 - You're right here. - Thank you. - You're right here. - Thank you.
612 00:34:11,875 00:34:14,550 Look, I'm about to go on TV. I can't talk now. Look, I'm about to go on TV. I can't talk now.
613 00:34:14,574 00:34:16,117 - I'm the mole. - I'm the mole.
614 00:34:16,141 00:34:17,770 - What? - What?
615 00:34:17,794 00:34:19,772 - I'm the student who talked to Professor Neill. - I'm the student who talked to Professor Neill.
616 00:34:19,796 00:34:22,886 I took his class. I gave him information about The Movement. I took his class. I gave him information about The Movement.
617 00:34:25,106 00:34:28,085 We learned about Lilith together. We learned about Lilith together.
618 00:34:28,109 00:34:30,044 - You're telling me this now? - You're telling me this now?
619 00:34:30,068 00:34:32,848 - And I slept with him. - Fuck, Sarah. - And I slept with him. - Fuck, Sarah.
620 00:34:35,160 00:34:36,876 What do you want me to do with this? What do you want me to do with this?
621 00:34:36,900 00:34:38,878 - I want you to use it. - I want you to use it.
622 00:34:38,902 00:34:41,142 Do whatever you want. Use my name, I don't care. Do whatever you want. Use my name, I don't care.
623 00:34:41,166 00:34:43,556 I want you to crush him. I want you to crush him.
624 00:34:53,221 00:34:56,531 All right, everyone, we're going up in five. All right, everyone, we're going up in five.
625 00:35:00,620 00:35:02,206 - Mr. Roberts, Professor Neill - Mr. Roberts, Professor Neill
626 00:35:02,230 00:35:04,600 called Meyerism "controversial"... called Meyerism "controversial"...
627 00:35:04,624 00:35:06,210 - And... and a cult. - And... and a cult.
628 00:35:06,234 00:35:09,213 That's okay, Ruben, I'm not afraid of the "c" word. That's okay, Ruben, I'm not afraid of the "c" word.
629 00:35:09,237 00:35:11,085 I've been a part of The Movement I've been a part of The Movement
630 00:35:11,109 00:35:12,695 almost my whole life, almost my whole life,
631 00:35:12,719 00:35:14,218 and I've seen people come and go and I've seen people come and go
632 00:35:14,242 00:35:16,133 because contrary to what you might believe, because contrary to what you might believe,
633 00:35:16,157 00:35:17,656 our doors are open. our doors are open.
634 00:35:17,680 00:35:19,005 In fact, I myself left In fact, I myself left
635 00:35:19,029 00:35:20,790 for a time, but I came back for a time, but I came back
636 00:35:20,814 00:35:23,706 because I believe in Eddie Lane. because I believe in Eddie Lane.
637 00:35:23,730 00:35:26,839 And I can assure you, he's not the megalomaniacal monster And I can assure you, he's not the megalomaniacal monster
638 00:35:26,863 00:35:28,102 you described in the article. you described in the article.
639 00:35:28,126 00:35:29,842 He's a real person. A humble person. He's a real person. A humble person.
640 00:35:29,866 00:35:31,061 - He didn't seem like a real and humble person - He didn't seem like a real and humble person
641 00:35:31,085 00:35:32,106 when he showed up at my house when he showed up at my house
642 00:35:32,130 00:35:33,846 in the middle of the night in the middle of the night
643 00:35:33,870 00:35:35,544 and called me ignorant and physically threatened me. and called me ignorant and physically threatened me.
644 00:35:35,568 00:35:36,893 You threatened him? You threatened him?
645 00:35:36,917 00:35:38,851 - I told him to stay away from my wife. - I told him to stay away from my wife.
646 00:35:38,875 00:35:40,592 - Maybe you should have said something to Cal. - Maybe you should have said something to Cal.
647 00:35:40,616 00:35:42,246 - No, he's okay. - Like I said, - No, he's okay. - Like I said,
648 00:35:42,270 00:35:45,510 Eddie Lane is a real person with flaws and a temper. Eddie Lane is a real person with flaws and a temper.
649 00:35:45,534 00:35:49,514 You must have done something to really piss him off. You must have done something to really piss him off.
650 00:35:49,538 00:35:52,038 - I assure you this is not just about Eddie Lane. - I assure you this is not just about Eddie Lane.
651 00:35:52,062 00:35:54,128 In my book, which will be out in the spring, In my book, which will be out in the spring,
652 00:35:54,152 00:35:55,564 I get into the history of violence I get into the history of violence
653 00:35:55,588 00:35:57,043 in your movement. - Sorry, violence? in your movement. - Sorry, violence?
654 00:35:57,067 00:35:58,828 - Yes, going all the way back to your founder. - Yes, going all the way back to your founder.
655 00:35:58,852 00:36:00,569 Something called The HC? Something called The HC?
656 00:36:00,593 00:36:02,527 As a type of autoerotic asphyxiation As a type of autoerotic asphyxiation
657 00:36:02,551 00:36:07,141 that you used to suppress dark urges... that you used to suppress dark urges...
658 00:36:07,165 00:36:10,274 I don't know anything about that. I don't know anything about that.
659 00:36:10,298 00:36:13,277 Specifically, but it... - Here, sweetie. Specifically, but it... - Here, sweetie.
660 00:36:13,301 00:36:15,714 - It doesn't surprise me. - It doesn't surprise me.
661 00:36:15,738 00:36:18,543 Dr. Steven Meyer founded The Movement Dr. Steven Meyer founded The Movement
662 00:36:18,567 00:36:22,156 because he saw so much darkness in the world because he saw so much darkness in the world
663 00:36:22,180 00:36:23,896 and he wanted to find a community and he wanted to find a community
664 00:36:23,920 00:36:25,594 of people looking for Light. - How's he doing? of people looking for Light. - How's he doing?
665 00:36:25,618 00:36:27,726 - He's about to tear him apart. - He's about to tear him apart.
666 00:36:27,750 00:36:31,121 - Good. - So you're not doing it now? - Good. - So you're not doing it now?
667 00:36:31,145 00:36:33,689 You've never tried it? - We're not tying each other up You've never tried it? - We're not tying each other up
668 00:36:33,713 00:36:36,257 now any more than people at the church down the block now any more than people at the church down the block
669 00:36:36,281 00:36:38,868 are actually drinking the blood of their savior. are actually drinking the blood of their savior.
670 00:36:38,892 00:36:40,043 Because... Because...
671 00:36:42,765 00:36:49,335
672 00:36:51,731 00:36:54,797 Like every great leader, Eddie has brought The Movement Like every great leader, Eddie has brought The Movement
673 00:36:54,821 00:36:56,842 into a new generation, and we're bigger, into a new generation, and we're bigger,
674 00:36:56,866 00:36:59,105 more relevant than Steve ever imagined. more relevant than Steve ever imagined.
675 00:36:59,129 00:37:01,020 Meyerism's changed as the world has changed. Meyerism's changed as the world has changed.
676 00:37:01,044 00:37:02,805 But... but... look, here's the point. But... but... look, here's the point.
677 00:37:02,829 00:37:05,373 - Eddie Lane gives me hope... - Because he's gonna - Eddie Lane gives me hope... - Because he's gonna
678 00:37:05,397 00:37:07,375 lead you to "The Garden", just like he promised, right? lead you to "The Garden", just like he promised, right?
679 00:37:07,399 00:37:09,203 - You are a professor of religion. - You are a professor of religion.
680 00:37:09,227 00:37:10,682 - Mm-hmm. - So I'm sure you understand - Mm-hmm. - So I'm sure you understand
681 00:37:10,706 00:37:12,118 that most religions believe that most religions believe
682 00:37:12,142 00:37:14,033 in some sort of afterlife. - Yes, they do, in some sort of afterlife. - Yes, they do,
683 00:37:14,057 00:37:15,774 but they don't blindly follow some guy from Brooklyn but they don't blindly follow some guy from Brooklyn
684 00:37:15,798 00:37:17,298 into the afterlife. - Jesus wasn't into the afterlife. - Jesus wasn't
685 00:37:17,322 00:37:18,995 from Brooklyn. That is true. from Brooklyn. That is true.
686 00:37:19,019 00:37:21,127 Is it Brooklyn specifically that's the problem? Is it Brooklyn specifically that's the problem?
687 00:37:21,151 00:37:22,868 Would it be easier if he were from Manhattan? Would it be easier if he were from Manhattan?
688 00:37:22,892 00:37:26,959 No? What do you think happens when we die? No? What do you think happens when we die?
689 00:37:26,983 00:37:28,787 - Oh, I honestly don't know. - Oh, I honestly don't know.
690 00:37:28,811 00:37:30,659 Nor do I think anyone should Nor do I think anyone should
691 00:37:30,683 00:37:33,052 claim to know... - Well, I choose to believe claim to know... - Well, I choose to believe
692 00:37:33,076 00:37:34,880 in a Garden. in a Garden.
693 00:37:34,904 00:37:38,797 That's what helps me get through my day. That's what helps me get through my day.
694 00:37:38,821 00:37:39,972 That and the belief that I'm helping That and the belief that I'm helping
695 00:37:39,996 00:37:41,713 others do the same thing. others do the same thing.
696 00:37:41,737 00:37:45,413 So if having deep faith So if having deep faith
697 00:37:45,437 00:37:47,763 in something greater than you in something greater than you
698 00:37:47,787 00:37:50,244 makes you a cult then I guess we're a cult. makes you a cult then I guess we're a cult.
699 00:37:50,268 00:37:52,681 - Yes. Yes. - We'll be back. - Yes. Yes. - We'll be back.
700 00:37:56,230 00:37:57,381 - Hey. - Hey.
701 00:37:57,405 00:37:58,817 - Hi. - Hey. - Hi. - Hey.
702 00:37:58,841 00:38:00,166 Everything okay? Everything okay?
703 00:38:00,190 00:38:02,125 - Yeah, yeah, just felt like being home. - Yeah, yeah, just felt like being home.
704 00:38:02,149 00:38:05,346 Since when do we have a TV? - Just to see Cal. Since when do we have a TV? - Just to see Cal.
705 00:38:05,370 00:38:08,131 - Here, sit down. - Are you staying the night? - Here, sit down. - Are you staying the night?
706 00:38:08,155 00:38:12,004 - Um, yeah, maybe. - Grandma lives in your room. - Um, yeah, maybe. - Grandma lives in your room.
707 00:38:12,028 00:38:14,288 - I will sleep on the couch. - I will sleep on the couch.
708 00:38:16,424 00:38:19,882 Welcome back. Cal, before the break, Welcome back. Cal, before the break,
709 00:38:19,906 00:38:21,362 you called Meyerism you called Meyerism
710 00:38:21,386 00:38:23,015 a beacon of hope and light a beacon of hope and light
711 00:38:23,039 00:38:26,062 in today's confusing and dangerous world. in today's confusing and dangerous world.
712 00:38:26,086 00:38:27,846 Can you talk a little more Can you talk a little more
713 00:38:27,870 00:38:31,023 about why Meyerism is more relevant now than ever? about why Meyerism is more relevant now than ever?
714 00:38:31,047 00:38:33,678 - Yeah, sure, sure, Ruben. - Yeah, sure, sure, Ruben.
715 00:38:33,702 00:38:35,463 Everybody's searching. Everybody's searching.
716 00:38:35,487 00:38:38,944 It's not a comfortable notion, but I... I think we're all It's not a comfortable notion, but I... I think we're all
717 00:38:38,968 00:38:41,382 in some sort of cult. in some sort of cult.
718 00:38:41,406 00:38:44,776 A job. Alcoholics Anonymous. SoulCycle. A job. Alcoholics Anonymous. SoulCycle.
719 00:38:44,800 00:38:46,996 A class... - So now I'm a cult leader. A class... - So now I'm a cult leader.
720 00:38:47,020 00:38:49,825 Yes, okay, of course. Education is about searching. Yes, okay, of course. Education is about searching.
721 00:38:49,849 00:38:53,829 But I assure you, we do not enlist students in some sort But I assure you, we do not enlist students in some sort
722 00:38:53,853 00:38:55,874 of, for people to sign away... - I read some of your reviews of, for people to sign away... - I read some of your reviews
723 00:38:55,898 00:38:59,138 when I was prepping for... for this interview. when I was prepping for... for this interview.
724 00:38:59,162 00:39:01,880 Um, uh, bear with me. Um, uh, bear with me.
725 00:39:01,904 00:39:03,273 You're quite popular. - Thank you. You're quite popular. - Thank you.
726 00:39:03,297 00:39:04,492 - All your classes have waiting lists. - All your classes have waiting lists.
727 00:39:04,516 00:39:06,276 - Okay, that's great. - Um... - Okay, that's great. - Um...
728 00:39:06,300 00:39:09,018 Right. Oh, "Professor Neill is brilliant, Right. Oh, "Professor Neill is brilliant,
729 00:39:09,042 00:39:11,281 brilliant, and he knows it." brilliant, and he knows it."
730 00:39:11,305 00:39:14,458 "So smart, so hot." "So smart, so hot."
731 00:39:14,482 00:39:16,242 "His class will change your life." "His class will change your life."
732 00:39:16,266 00:39:17,766 Oh, yeah, here's one. Oh, yeah, here's one.
733 00:39:17,790 00:39:19,463 Um "Professor Neill has Um "Professor Neill has
734 00:39:19,487 00:39:21,247 a 'cult following' on campus." - Wait, seriously, you keep a 'cult following' on campus." - Wait, seriously, you keep
735 00:39:21,271 00:39:22,901 trying to make this point. This is ridiculous. trying to make this point. This is ridiculous.
736 00:39:22,925 00:39:24,990 We do not ask students to sign We do not ask students to sign
737 00:39:25,014 00:39:26,427 away their basic human rights in order away their basic human rights in order
738 00:39:26,451 00:39:28,298 to take a class, so... - Okay, one more. to take a class, so... - Okay, one more.
739 00:39:28,322 00:39:29,952 Uh... Uh...
740 00:39:29,976 00:39:32,824 "Professor Neill is super dreamy. He's a PILF." "Professor Neill is super dreamy. He's a PILF."
741 00:39:32,848 00:39:34,913 P-I-L-F. What's a PILF? - I honestly don't know. P-I-L-F. What's a PILF? - I honestly don't know.
742 00:39:34,937 00:39:36,741 I don't read these comments. I don't care. I don't read these comments. I don't care.
743 00:39:36,765 00:39:39,527 - But you did "eff" a student, right? - But you did "eff" a student, right?
744 00:39:42,205 00:39:44,836 - Any chance you had a sexual relationship - Any chance you had a sexual relationship
745 00:39:44,860 00:39:47,448 with the student you... you used with the student you... you used
746 00:39:47,472 00:39:51,321 for a source in your article? for a source in your article?
747 00:39:51,345 00:39:52,801 - Of course not. That would be unethical. - Of course not. That would be unethical.
748 00:39:52,825 00:39:54,411 - Right, right. - Right, right.
749 00:39:54,435 00:39:58,197 Because that's, in fact, what cult leaders do, right? Because that's, in fact, what cult leaders do, right?
750 00:39:58,221 00:40:00,417 They exploit people who are vulnerable, They exploit people who are vulnerable,
751 00:40:00,441 00:40:05,379 maybe just lost a parent or are going through a divorce. maybe just lost a parent or are going through a divorce.
752 00:40:05,403 00:40:07,772 You're writing a book, right? You're writing a book, right?
753 00:40:07,796 00:40:09,470 To spread your gospel, hoping to publish it this spring To spread your gospel, hoping to publish it this spring
754 00:40:09,494 00:40:10,993 I think you said. I think you said.
755 00:40:11,017 00:40:12,560 I don't know, it just sounds like I don't know, it just sounds like
756 00:40:12,584 00:40:15,284 you're a little bit of a cult leader yourself, no? you're a little bit of a cult leader yourself, no?
757 00:40:16,979 00:40:18,827 - Very thought-provoking, Mr. Roberts. - Very thought-provoking, Mr. Roberts.
758 00:40:18,851 00:40:20,306 Thank you. Thank you.
759 00:40:22,420 00:40:24,485 - Yes. - Yes.
760 00:40:24,509 00:40:26,400 - Excuse me. - Excuse me.
761 00:40:29,470 00:40:32,971
762 00:40:32,995 00:40:34,495 There's a TV in our house. There's a TV in our house.
763 00:40:34,519 00:40:37,039 - Thanks again. - Oh, hey, thank you, Ruben. - Thanks again. - Oh, hey, thank you, Ruben.
764 00:40:39,175 00:40:41,023 - I did care about her. - I did care about her.
765 00:40:41,047 00:40:42,677 I do. I do.
766 00:40:42,701 00:40:43,982 Tell her I miss her and hope she's okay. Tell her I miss her and hope she's okay.
767 00:40:44,006 00:40:45,826 - Yeah, she's fine. - Yeah, she's fine.
768 00:40:47,923 00:40:50,143 - I can take that for you. - Oh, thank you very much. - I can take that for you. - Oh, thank you very much.
769 00:41:30,879 00:41:37,969
770 00:41:43,588 00:41:45,609 - Eddie. Eddie. - Eddie. Eddie.
771 00:41:46,852 00:41:49,613 - Eddie. Stop. - Eddie. Stop.
772 00:41:49,637 00:41:51,247 - Fuck him! - Fuck him!
773 00:41:54,860 00:41:56,838 - It's okay. - It's okay.
774 00:41:56,862 00:41:59,667 It's okay. Your dad just needs a minute, okay? It's okay. Your dad just needs a minute, okay?
775 00:41:59,691 00:42:06,741
776 00:42:21,234 00:42:23,544 We need to cleanse. We need to cleanse.
777 00:42:26,065 00:42:28,130 Okay, we need to purge Okay, we need to purge
778 00:42:28,154 00:42:31,263 this Movement of darkness. this Movement of darkness.
779 00:42:31,287 00:42:34,547 Of Steve. - How? Of Steve. - How?
780 00:42:40,601 00:42:42,691 - We tell everyone. - We tell everyone.
781 00:44:42,418 00:44:44,570 - Hey, uh, sorry to show up out of the blue like this. - Hey, uh, sorry to show up out of the blue like this.
782 00:44:44,594 00:44:47,124 - No, no, it's okay. Come on in. - No, no, it's okay. Come on in.
783 00:44:49,599 00:44:52,249 Hey, uh, sit down, sit down. Hey, uh, sit down, sit down.
784 00:44:58,260 00:45:00,891 Can I get you some coffee? Can I get you some coffee?
785 00:45:00,915 00:45:04,155 - Uh, no. - Where... are Mary and Forest? - Uh, no. - Where... are Mary and Forest?
786 00:45:04,179 00:45:07,709 - Uh, she's, um... We separated. - Uh, she's, um... We separated.
787 00:45:09,707 00:45:12,927 - I am so sorry, Cal. - I am so sorry, Cal.
788 00:45:17,062 00:45:18,474 - Uh... - Uh...
789 00:45:18,498 00:45:21,718 Cal, if there's anything that I can do? Cal, if there's anything that I can do?
790 00:45:25,461 00:45:29,006 Um, uh, Cal you were... Um, uh, Cal you were...
791 00:45:29,030 00:45:32,250 You were great last night. - Thank you. You were great last night. - Thank you.
792 00:45:34,470 00:45:37,972 - We just wanted to come here to - We just wanted to come here to
793 00:45:37,996 00:45:40,975 tell you that, uh... tell you that, uh...
794 00:45:40,999 00:45:45,283 That I'm going to tell the truth. That I'm going to tell the truth.
795 00:45:45,307 00:45:48,504 The history of The Movement needs to be rewritten. The history of The Movement needs to be rewritten.
796 00:45:48,528 00:45:52,029 Steve needs to be written out. Steve needs to be written out.
797 00:45:52,053 00:45:54,379 Revelation. - Revelation? Revelation. - Revelation?
798 00:45:54,403 00:45:56,599 - The new book that I will write. - The new book that I will write.
799 00:45:56,623 00:46:01,386 That tells the real truth. That tells the real truth.
800 00:46:01,410 00:46:03,693 - Right, but I just went on that show... - Right, but I just went on that show...
801 00:46:03,717 00:46:05,564 - No, no, look, I know... - No, no, look, I know...
802 00:46:05,588 00:46:09,090 I know, and that's great for the IS, I know, and that's great for the IS,
803 00:46:09,114 00:46:11,353 the non-believers, but... the non-believers, but...
804 00:46:11,377 00:46:15,183 For those of us who believe, For those of us who believe,
805 00:46:15,207 00:46:17,663 it's not good enough. - Sorry, what is this? it's not good enough. - Sorry, what is this?
806 00:46:17,687 00:46:21,363 - It's time for us to face all of it, Cal. - It's time for us to face all of it, Cal.
807 00:46:21,387 00:46:24,018 We have to. We have to.
808 00:46:24,042 00:46:25,671 The damage, the pain, The damage, the pain,
809 00:46:25,695 00:46:29,545 the hurt inflicted by that man. the hurt inflicted by that man.
810 00:46:29,569 00:46:33,331 It's destroying you. It made you destroy a life. It's destroying you. It made you destroy a life.
811 00:46:33,355 00:46:35,681 - We'll lose everyone. - We'll lose everyone.
812 00:46:35,705 00:46:39,076 You know we're not the Catholic fucking Church. You know we're not the Catholic fucking Church.
813 00:46:39,100 00:46:43,298 - No, we're not, which is why we need to do this. - No, we're not, which is why we need to do this.
814 00:46:43,322 00:46:45,691 There could be others like you. There could be others like you.
815 00:46:45,715 00:46:47,345 - No, there aren't. - No, there aren't.
816 00:46:47,369 00:46:49,521 - We don't know that. - No, I can't. I can't. - We don't know that. - No, I can't. I can't.
817 00:46:49,545 00:46:54,526 Um... I can't let you do that. Um... I can't let you do that.
818 00:46:54,550 00:46:56,224 It took me thirty years to be able to tell you. It took me thirty years to be able to tell you.
819 00:46:56,248 00:46:58,008 I'm not ready. The people aren't ready. I'm not ready. The people aren't ready.
820 00:46:58,032 00:47:00,706 - They deserve to know. - I will not use your name. - They deserve to know. - I will not use your name.
821 00:47:00,730 00:47:03,753 I will just say that Steve betrayed the ones I will just say that Steve betrayed the ones
822 00:47:03,777 00:47:06,147 that considered him a father. that considered him a father.
823 00:47:06,171 00:47:09,411 Cal, he stole The Ladder from a patient... Cal, he stole The Ladder from a patient...
824 00:47:09,435 00:47:11,369 - I can't let you do that. I won't let you do that. - I can't let you do that. I won't let you do that.
825 00:47:11,393 00:47:13,502 - This is not about you, Cal. - This is not about you, Cal.
826 00:47:13,526 00:47:15,504 Okay? This is about people... - No. You owe me. Okay? This is about people... - No. You owe me.
827 00:47:15,528 00:47:17,288 Right? 'Cause I saved your fucking life. Right? 'Cause I saved your fucking life.
828 00:47:17,312 00:47:19,638 - This is something that you will never understand, - This is something that you will never understand,
829 00:47:19,662 00:47:21,510 this is why you could never lead. this is why you could never lead.
830 00:47:21,534 00:47:23,599 - Look, The Movement won't survive. - Look, The Movement won't survive.
831 00:47:23,623 00:47:25,557 - Yes, it will. - Yes, it will.
832 00:47:25,581 00:47:28,517 They are not here for Steve. They are not here for Steve.
833 00:47:28,541 00:47:30,475 They are here for me. They are here for me.
834 00:47:30,499 00:47:34,218 - Right. Right, but I've given up everything. - Right. Right, but I've given up everything.
835 00:47:34,242 00:47:36,394 Like my family. Like my family.
836 00:47:36,418 00:47:40,485 You know, I... I had my son Embraced. You know, I... I had my son Embraced.
837 00:47:40,509 00:47:43,837 - And I have a duty - And I have a duty
838 00:47:43,861 00:47:48,102 to live up to that Embrace. to live up to that Embrace.
839 00:47:48,126 00:47:53,629 To protect him and every other child. To protect him and every other child.
840 00:47:53,653 00:47:58,443 And the only way to do that is to be transparent. And the only way to do that is to be transparent.
841 00:48:00,660 00:48:03,595 Look, Revelation Look, Revelation
842 00:48:03,619 00:48:07,773 next week, you can tell me how you want to do it, or... next week, you can tell me how you want to do it, or...
843 00:48:07,797 00:48:10,254 I will do it my way. I will do it my way.
844 00:48:13,281 00:48:21,281 ♪ Ooh ♪ Ooh
845 00:48:25,641 00:48:33,625 ♪ My Adeline ♪ ♪ My Adeline ♪
846 00:48:33,649 00:48:41,649 ♪ Ooh ♪ Ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ Ooh ♪
847 00:48:46,836 00:48:54,836 ♪ Down ♪ In Tasmania ♪ ♪ Down ♪ In Tasmania ♪
848 00:48:57,847 00:49:03,481 - I, um... I ended Bali. - I, um... I ended Bali.
849 00:49:03,505 00:49:05,527 - Why would you do that? - Why would you do that?
850 00:49:05,551 00:49:09,879
851 00:49:09,903 00:49:11,823 Did Eddie ask you to? - No. Did Eddie ask you to? - No.
852 00:49:14,821 00:49:17,321 He didn't want me to. He didn't want me to.
853 00:49:17,345 00:49:20,672 - Sweetheart, this... - Sweetheart, this...
854 00:49:22,524 00:49:23,632 It's gonna be all right. It's gonna be all right.
855 00:49:25,484 00:49:27,418 It's not. - I saw it. It's not. - I saw it.
856 00:49:27,442 00:49:31,422 It is beyond our power to stop at this point. It is beyond our power to stop at this point.
857 00:49:31,446 00:49:33,381 Okay? Okay?
858 00:49:33,405 00:49:36,558 - I just want it to be over. - And it will be. - I just want it to be over. - And it will be.
859 00:49:36,582 00:49:39,474 It will be soon. It will be soon.
860 00:49:39,498 00:49:47,498 ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline ♪
861 00:49:57,385 00:50:03,628 ♪ I watch your morning swim again ♪ ♪ I watch your morning swim again ♪
862 00:50:03,652 00:50:11,652 ♪ Ooh ♪ Cold from the blue sky ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ Cold from the blue sky ♪
863 00:50:24,325 00:50:29,306 ♪ Strokes from passing mopeds ♪ ♪ Strokes from passing mopeds ♪
864 00:50:29,330 00:50:36,574 ♪ My sweet Adeline ♪ ♪ My sweet Adeline ♪
865 00:50:36,598 00:50:44,598 ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline, I wish you well ♪ ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline, I wish you well ♪
866 00:50:47,609 00:50:55,609 ♪ My Adeline ♪ I wish you well ♪ ♪ My Adeline ♪ I wish you well ♪
867 00:50:56,792 00:51:03,601 ♪ I wish you well ♪ My Adeline ♪ I wish you well ♪ My Adeline
868 00:51:03,625 00:51:08,852 ♪ I wish you well ♪ I wish you well ♪ I wish you well ♪ I wish you well