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1 | 00:00:57,955 | 00:00:59,748 | The Investigation | The Investigation |
2 | 00:01:00,091 | 00:01:02,618 | Police was contacted at 15.42 by a | Police was contacted at 15.42 by a |
3 | 00:01:02,643 | 00:01:05,472 | cyclist on the south-west part of Amager | cyclist on the south-west part of Amager |
4 | 00:01:05,480 | 00:01:08,408 | saying that he had seen something that | saying that he had seen something that |
5 | 00:01:08,410 | 00:01:10,834 | resembled a upper body in the sea. | resembled a upper body in the sea. |
6 | 00:01:10,851 | 00:01:13,803 | It's the body of a woman. | It's the body of a woman. |
7 | 00:01:14,707 | 00:01:16,906 | It's the torso of a woman. | It's the torso of a woman. |
8 | 00:01:17,601 | 00:01:20,058 | What I mean, when I say torso | What I mean, when I say torso |
9 | 00:01:20,107 | 00:01:22,023 | then I mean without a head. | then I mean without a head. |
10 | 00:01:22,836 | 00:01:24,336 | It's without arms. | It's without arms. |
11 | 00:01:24,746 | 00:01:26,245 | And it is without legs. | And it is without legs. |
12 | 00:01:27,635 | 00:01:34,795 | It is clear that the police and media and the public are asking if this is Kim Wall? | It is clear that the police and media and the public are asking if this is Kim Wall? |
13 | 00:01:35,383 | 00:01:38,249 | It is much, much too early to say. | It is much, much too early to say. |
14 | 00:01:38,566 | 00:01:40,999 | We simply don't know at this point. | We simply don't know at this point. |
15 | 00:01:41,787 | 00:01:46,026 | Be honest with me, Jens. | Be honest with me, Jens. |
16 | 00:01:46,534 | 00:01:49,396 | Do you think it is her or not? | Do you think it is her or not? |
17 | 00:01:50,844 | 00:01:53,078 | I don’t know yet, but...but... | I don’t know yet, but...but... |
18 | 00:01:53,614 | 00:01:55,995 | there is a good possibility that it is. | there is a good possibility that it is. |
19 | 00:01:56,141 | 00:01:56,845 | Hmmm | Hmmm |
20 | 00:01:57,284 | 00:01:58,011 | Hmmm | Hmmm |
21 | 00:01:59,596 | 00:02:02,046 | But you have not found anything else? | But you have not found anything else? |
22 | 00:02:02,081 | 00:02:03,282 | No, we haven't. | No, we haven't. |
23 | 00:02:03,286 | 00:02:06,986 | It's hard for the divers, they don't really know where to search. | It's hard for the divers, they don't really know where to search. |
24 | 00:02:07,189 | 00:02:09,711 | We hope to trace the course the submarine took | We hope to trace the course the submarine took |
25 | 00:02:09,736 | 00:02:12,188 | from radar control... but as I say, they are | from radar control... but as I say, they are |
26 | 00:02:12,213 | 00:02:14,661 | constantly diving and we got the dogs out... | constantly diving and we got the dogs out... |
27 | 00:02:14,686 | 00:02:16,860 | we are doing all we can, Joachim. We really are. | we are doing all we can, Joachim. We really are. |
28 | 00:02:16,881 | 00:02:20,393 | What sort of dogs? Are they cadaver dogs? | What sort of dogs? Are they cadaver dogs? |
29 | 00:02:20,882 | 00:02:22,368 | No, they are police dogs. | No, they are police dogs. |
30 | 00:02:23,555 | 00:02:26,111 | Okay, yes. But there are ... | Okay, yes. But there are ... |
31 | 00:02:26,550 | 00:02:31,640 | dogs that are trained to find bodies, also underwater. | dogs that are trained to find bodies, also underwater. |
32 | 00:02:32,856 | 00:02:35,968 | I've never heard of cadaver dogs. But, I'm happy to look into it. | I've never heard of cadaver dogs. But, I'm happy to look into it. |
33 | 00:02:35,994 | 00:02:37,981 | Yes, please do that. | Yes, please do that. |
34 | 00:02:38,182 | 00:02:42,957 | And as I've said before, Jens. I'm happy to help if I can. | And as I've said before, Jens. I'm happy to help if I can. |
35 | 00:02:43,662 | 00:02:48,129 | One of my friends is a diver. He knows Øresund like the back of his hand. | One of my friends is a diver. He knows Øresund like the back of his hand. |
36 | 00:02:49,165 | 00:02:52,064 | You can't be part of the investigation, Joachim. You know that. | You can't be part of the investigation, Joachim. You know that. |
37 | 00:02:52,136 | 00:02:54,703 | Jens. We are looking for my daughter. | Jens. We are looking for my daughter. |
38 | 00:02:56,521 | 00:02:59,496 | For me this is much more than an investigation. | For me this is much more than an investigation. |
39 | 00:02:59,735 | 00:03:02,907 | We need answers, Jens. Do you understand? | We need answers, Jens. Do you understand? |
40 | 00:03:03,595 | 00:03:05,162 | We need answers! | We need answers! |
41 | 00:03:06,792 | 00:03:07,674 | Yes. | Yes. |
42 | 00:03:09,529 | 00:03:11,098 | I understand that. | I understand that. |
43 | 00:03:21,038 | 00:03:24,557 | We don't expect any DNA results for another 36 hours | We don't expect any DNA results for another 36 hours |
44 | 00:03:24,582 | 00:03:28,100 | but obviously we start immediately with the autopsy. | but obviously we start immediately with the autopsy. |
45 | 00:03:28,151 | 00:03:30,473 | What do you expect to learn from that? | What do you expect to learn from that? |
46 | 00:03:30,613 | 00:03:31,510 | Cause of death. | Cause of death. |
47 | 00:03:31,559 | 00:03:33,643 | And maybe time of death. | And maybe time of death. |
48 | 00:03:34,026 | 00:03:36,651 | How and when the limbs were removed. | How and when the limbs were removed. |
49 | 00:03:36,700 | 00:03:38,199 | Or possibly nothing at all. | Or possibly nothing at all. |
50 | 00:03:38,259 | 00:03:39,996 | But you have seen the torso already? | But you have seen the torso already? |
51 | 00:03:41,055 | 00:03:41,814 | Yes. | Yes. |
52 | 00:03:44,574 | 00:03:45,544 | And? | And? |
53 | 00:03:45,781 | 00:03:47,595 | And, nothing. | And, nothing. |
54 | 00:03:48,189 | 00:03:52,901 | If a body has been in the sea for a substantial time it can be seriously impacted. | If a body has been in the sea for a substantial time it can be seriously impacted. |
55 | 00:03:52,941 | 00:03:56,239 | If it has been floating, then the sun can have damaged the skin. | If it has been floating, then the sun can have damaged the skin. |
56 | 00:03:56,276 | 00:03:58,634 | Rocks and sand can do the same. | Rocks and sand can do the same. |
57 | 00:03:58,635 | 00:04:01,315 | Listen! I have her family, I have the press, I have the | Listen! I have her family, I have the press, I have the |
58 | 00:04:01,330 | 00:04:04,199 | prosecutor that needs to extend the custody in two weeks... | prosecutor that needs to extend the custody in two weeks... |
59 | 00:04:04,224 | 00:04:04,968 | Jens. | Jens. |
60 | 00:04:05,857 | 00:04:07,768 | We are working as fast as we possible can. | We are working as fast as we possible can. |
61 | 00:04:08,770 | 00:04:09,790 | Of course. | Of course. |
62 | 00:04:09,818 | 00:04:13,016 | It's just that I'm stuck until I get answers from you. | It's just that I'm stuck until I get answers from you. |
63 | 00:04:13,085 | 00:04:13,943 | I know. | I know. |
64 | 00:04:18,302 | 00:04:21,667 | I've asked Musa to stay here so he can relay any news. | I've asked Musa to stay here so he can relay any news. |
65 | 00:04:21,772 | 00:04:23,003 | I go back to the office. | I go back to the office. |
66 | 00:04:23,252 | 00:04:24,126 | No problem. | No problem. |
67 | 00:04:26,919 | 00:04:29,837 | Listen man! This is the fourth time you call within an hour. | Listen man! This is the fourth time you call within an hour. |
68 | 00:04:30,827 | 00:04:32,376 | We still have no news. | We still have no news. |
69 | 00:04:33,661 | 00:04:35,560 | Yes. I promise to let you know. | Yes. I promise to let you know. |
70 | 00:04:37,385 | 00:04:40,827 | Yes, but my phone is not exclusively to give you headlines. | Yes, but my phone is not exclusively to give you headlines. |
71 | 00:04:40,851 | 00:04:41,572 | Yes. | Yes. |
72 | 00:05:11,239 | 00:05:14,132 | And what does the ME think has happened? | And what does the ME think has happened? |
73 | 00:05:14,628 | 00:05:16,420 | He doesn't know yet. | He doesn't know yet. |
74 | 00:05:16,869 | 00:05:18,737 | Did he not have the torso? | Did he not have the torso? |
75 | 00:05:18,786 | 00:05:21,041 | Yes, but you know how they are. | Yes, but you know how they are. |
76 | 00:05:21,480 | 00:05:23,847 | He will not say anything until he's done the autopsy. | He will not say anything until he's done the autopsy. |
77 | 00:05:23,918 | 00:05:24,887 | Okay. | Okay. |
78 | 00:05:25,456 | 00:05:28,600 | And when do they expect to confirm if it's her or not. | And when do they expect to confirm if it's her or not. |
79 | 00:05:29,849 | 00:05:34,342 | We have her hair samples and toothbrush so the process is in full swing | We have her hair samples and toothbrush so the process is in full swing |
80 | 00:05:34,347 | 00:05:38,677 | and we will know if there is a DNA match within the next 48 hours. | and we will know if there is a DNA match within the next 48 hours. |
81 | 00:05:39,743 | 00:05:40,381 | Okay. | Okay. |
82 | 00:05:40,400 | 00:05:41,550 | Call me with any updates. | Call me with any updates. |
83 | 00:05:41,558 | 00:05:42,346 | Sure. | Sure. |
84 | 00:05:47,924 | 00:05:50,659 | Uhhhh...anything new on tracing the subs course? | Uhhhh...anything new on tracing the subs course? |
85 | 00:05:51,170 | 00:05:52,700 | No, nothing yet. | No, nothing yet. |
86 | 00:05:53,079 | 00:05:56,332 | The whole thing is on the Swedish side and they | The whole thing is on the Swedish side and they |
87 | 00:05:56,357 | 00:05:59,532 | are a bit slow. I'm trying to put pressure on them. | are a bit slow. I'm trying to put pressure on them. |
88 | 00:05:59,548 | 00:06:01,641 | Great. We need to pinpoint it for the divers. | Great. We need to pinpoint it for the divers. |
89 | 00:06:07,198 | 00:06:08,924 | Hi Musa. It's Jens, again. | Hi Musa. It's Jens, again. |
90 | 00:06:11,402 | 00:06:12,467 | Call me back. | Call me back. |
91 | 00:06:15,643 | 00:06:16,710 | Maibritt. | Maibritt. |
92 | 00:06:17,126 | 00:06:17,977 | Yes? | Yes? |
93 | 00:06:18,015 | 00:06:19,582 | Have you heard from Musa? | Have you heard from Musa? |
94 | 00:06:19,750 | 00:06:22,217 | No. Isn't he at the ME's office? | No. Isn't he at the ME's office? |
95 | 00:06:22,787 | 00:06:23,757 | Yes. | Yes. |
96 | 00:06:24,489 | 00:06:26,449 | They should be finished by now. | They should be finished by now. |
97 | 00:06:27,604 | 00:06:30,024 | I think I'll go home. Call me if there is anything new. | I think I'll go home. Call me if there is anything new. |
98 | 00:06:30,029 | 00:06:31,022 | Of course. | Of course. |
99 | 00:06:42,879 | 00:06:46,287 | Cecilie invited us round for a coffee. | Cecilie invited us round for a coffee. |
100 | 00:06:46,666 | 00:06:47,688 | One of these days. | One of these days. |
101 | 00:06:47,848 | 00:06:48,377 | Sure. | Sure. |
102 | 00:06:48,974 | 00:06:50,529 | I bumped into her today. | I bumped into her today. |
103 | 00:06:52,914 | 00:06:54,201 | How was she? | How was she? |
104 | 00:06:54,296 | 00:06:56,338 | She seemed very good. | She seemed very good. |
105 | 00:07:01,431 | 00:07:02,150 | Hey! | Hey! |
106 | 00:07:03,789 | 00:07:04,766 | Are you okay? | Are you okay? |
107 | 00:07:07,387 | 00:07:08,603 | I really don't know. | I really don't know. |
108 | 00:07:10,666 | 00:07:12,638 | The press is constantly calling. | The press is constantly calling. |
109 | 00:07:13,082 | 00:07:15,390 | I have no information from the ME's office. | I have no information from the ME's office. |
110 | 00:07:18,160 | 00:07:20,679 | If the torso we found is of her | If the torso we found is of her |
111 | 00:07:22,907 | 00:07:26,622 | then I have a tough phone-call to make that I don't look forward to. | then I have a tough phone-call to make that I don't look forward to. |
112 | 00:08:41,444 | 00:08:43,524 | Musa. Call me, I'm outside. | Musa. Call me, I'm outside. |
113 | 00:09:39,430 | 00:09:40,603 | Musa. | Musa. |
114 | 00:09:41,401 | 00:09:42,322 | Hi Jens. | Hi Jens. |
115 | 00:09:43,175 | 00:09:44,989 | Why don't I get any news? | Why don't I get any news? |
116 | 00:09:47,555 | 00:09:49,457 | I have no idea what is going on. | I have no idea what is going on. |
117 | 00:09:49,573 | 00:09:51,001 | I was about to call you. | I was about to call you. |
118 | 00:09:51,324 | 00:09:53,325 | He is only just finishing now. | He is only just finishing now. |
119 | 00:09:56,575 | 00:09:57,491 | Hello again. | Hello again. |
120 | 00:09:57,768 | 00:09:58,407 | Hi. | Hi. |
121 | 00:10:00,683 | 00:10:02,168 | Have you got anything? | Have you got anything? |
122 | 00:10:02,367 | 00:10:03,131 | Yes. | Yes. |
123 | 00:10:03,239 | 00:10:09,707 | We know that the head, arms and legs were severed on purpose with some sort of a saw. | We know that the head, arms and legs were severed on purpose with some sort of a saw. |
124 | 00:10:09,906 | 00:10:12,774 | A saw with small teeth we believe. | A saw with small teeth we believe. |
125 | 00:10:14,815 | 00:10:20,654 | We also know that the torso has received at least 17 stabs or cuts. | We also know that the torso has received at least 17 stabs or cuts. |
126 | 00:10:21,763 | 00:10:23,297 | - Seventeen? - Yes. | - Seventeen? - Yes. |
127 | 00:10:23,348 | 00:10:25,853 | But none of them are cause of death. | But none of them are cause of death. |
128 | 00:10:29,799 | 00:10:34,142 | It appears that they are all postmortem. | It appears that they are all postmortem. |
129 | 00:10:35,027 | 00:10:37,628 | Quite possibly he wanted to... | Quite possibly he wanted to... |
130 | 00:10:37,701 | 00:10:41,687 | make holes in the torso and along with the weight of the | make holes in the torso and along with the weight of the |
131 | 00:10:41,712 | 00:10:45,686 | iron pieces we found attached to it, ensure it would sink. | iron pieces we found attached to it, ensure it would sink. |
132 | 00:10:45,690 | 00:10:46,704 | Okay. | Okay. |
133 | 00:10:47,243 | 00:10:49,105 | What's the cause of death? | What's the cause of death? |
134 | 00:10:49,769 | 00:10:54,024 | In my opinion that is not to be found on the torso. | In my opinion that is not to be found on the torso. |
135 | 00:10:55,388 | 00:10:58,348 | But, assuming this is the journalist, didn't he | But, assuming this is the journalist, didn't he |
136 | 00:10:58,373 | 00:11:01,830 | explain that she had been hit on the head by a hatch? | explain that she had been hit on the head by a hatch? |
137 | 00:11:16,434 | 00:11:18,418 | What do you think happened? | What do you think happened? |
138 | 00:11:20,786 | 00:11:23,285 | I think she has been brutally murdered. | I think she has been brutally murdered. |
139 | 00:11:24,656 | 00:11:29,861 | And then he came up with the hatch story to explain why we will find head injuries. | And then he came up with the hatch story to explain why we will find head injuries. |
140 | 00:11:34,179 | 00:11:36,473 | Then you better find the head. | Then you better find the head. |
141 | 00:11:40,349 | 00:11:41,211 | Yeah. | Yeah. |
142 | 00:11:43,768 | 00:11:48,424 | Day 12 22ⁿᵈ August 2017 | Day 12 22ⁿᵈ August 2017 |
143 | 00:13:03,668 | 00:13:05,978 | We have been dredging this morning. | We have been dredging this morning. |
144 | 00:13:06,626 | 00:13:09,521 | We have gone through 3 zones. | We have gone through 3 zones. |
145 | 00:13:09,754 | 00:13:10,947 | No luck. | No luck. |
146 | 00:13:15,883 | 00:13:17,173 | We need help, Jens. | We need help, Jens. |
147 | 00:13:17,241 | 00:13:18,849 | We need information. | We need information. |
148 | 00:13:19,383 | 00:13:22,131 | We have almost 100 volunteers searching the shorelines. | We have almost 100 volunteers searching the shorelines. |
149 | 00:13:22,927 | 00:13:24,176 | Both in Denmark and Sweden. | Both in Denmark and Sweden. |
150 | 00:13:26,129 | 00:13:28,139 | We have dogs, we have helicopters. | We have dogs, we have helicopters. |
151 | 00:13:28,142 | 00:13:29,431 | And all my divers are at work. | And all my divers are at work. |
152 | 00:13:29,432 | 00:13:30,428 | - Yes. - Yes. | - Yes. - Yes. |
153 | 00:13:30,782 | 00:13:32,832 | But still, no idea where the rest of the body is. | But still, no idea where the rest of the body is. |
154 | 00:13:32,836 | 00:13:36,158 | We can't establish cause of death unless we find the head. | We can't establish cause of death unless we find the head. |
155 | 00:13:36,331 | 00:13:37,405 | We are stuck! | We are stuck! |
156 | 00:13:37,973 | 00:13:39,857 | And we would love to find it. | And we would love to find it. |
157 | 00:13:44,317 | 00:13:46,737 | We just haven't got a clue where to dive. | We just haven't got a clue where to dive. |
158 | 00:14:03,473 | 00:14:04,411 | PULL! | PULL! |
159 | 00:14:11,713 | 00:14:12,664 | PULL! | PULL! |
160 | 00:14:31,892 | 00:14:34,288 | There is something I want to show you. | There is something I want to show you. |
161 | 00:14:34,706 | 00:14:39,147 | I've just been to something called Vessel Traffic Service in Malmö. | I've just been to something called Vessel Traffic Service in Malmö. |
162 | 00:14:39,224 | 00:14:45,798 | VTS. Not sure what I did, but when I got there this morning then they immediately | VTS. Not sure what I did, but when I got there this morning then they immediately |
163 | 00:14:45,823 | 00:14:51,683 | gave me access to the Radar Tracking that until now was impossible to get. | gave me access to the Radar Tracking that until now was impossible to get. |
164 | 00:14:51,928 | 00:14:52,938 | But... | But... |
165 | 00:14:54,330 | 00:14:55,959 | now we know where it sailed. | now we know where it sailed. |
166 | 00:14:56,040 | 00:15:01,389 | We have copied the radar images from the night between the 10ᵗʰ and 11ᵗʰ | We have copied the radar images from the night between the 10ᵗʰ and 11ᵗʰ |
167 | 00:15:01,414 | 00:15:06,863 | August and plotted what we believe is the submarine's route through Køge Bay. | August and plotted what we believe is the submarine's route through Køge Bay. |
168 | 00:15:07,126 | 00:15:12,029 | And as you can see, there is a dot marking interval | And as you can see, there is a dot marking interval |
169 | 00:15:12,054 | 00:15:17,152 | of every 5 min. between 20.00 and 10.22 when it sank. | of every 5 min. between 20.00 and 10.22 when it sank. |
170 | 00:15:17,920 | 00:15:22,244 | It dives here, just after she sends the text and then | It dives here, just after she sends the text and then |
171 | 00:15:22,269 | 00:15:26,748 | appears again here when we have traced his phone signal. | appears again here when we have traced his phone signal. |
172 | 00:15:27,018 | 00:15:33,254 | Then they sail this way towards Drogden Lighthouse where they stop for 50 minutes. | Then they sail this way towards Drogden Lighthouse where they stop for 50 minutes. |
173 | 00:15:33,267 | 00:15:40,587 | He seems to spot a cargo ship and follows it and sails into Køge Bay and seems | He seems to spot a cargo ship and follows it and sails into Køge Bay and seems |
174 | 00:15:40,812 | 00:15:48,228 | to dive at 04.40 and appears again here at 08.22 and after going south for a bit | to dive at 04.40 and appears again here at 08.22 and after going south for a bit |
175 | 00:15:48,253 | 00:15:54,922 | he goes back towards Drogden Lighthouse where the sub sinks at exactly 10.22. | he goes back towards Drogden Lighthouse where the sub sinks at exactly 10.22. |
176 | 00:15:56,512 | 00:15:57,811 | What about this? | What about this? |
177 | 00:15:58,077 | 00:15:59,247 | There is a gap here, right? | There is a gap here, right? |
178 | 00:15:59,305 | 00:15:59,900 | Yes. | Yes. |
179 | 00:15:59,905 | 00:16:01,597 | For what... 3½ hours? What happened there? | For what... 3½ hours? What happened there? |
180 | 00:16:01,625 | 00:16:07,490 | I think he dived and then he drifted south and ascended here. | I think he dived and then he drifted south and ascended here. |
181 | 00:16:09,944 | 00:16:11,597 | How sure are you about all this? | How sure are you about all this? |
182 | 00:16:11,748 | 00:16:13,324 | I'm pretty confident. | I'm pretty confident. |
183 | 00:16:13,412 | 00:16:15,112 | Can you come with me out to the diving team? | Can you come with me out to the diving team? |
184 | 00:16:15,128 | 00:16:15,863 | Of course. | Of course. |
185 | 00:16:15,867 | 00:16:18,744 | And Maibritt. Please contact the Swedish side and get a status update from them. | And Maibritt. Please contact the Swedish side and get a status update from them. |
186 | 00:16:18,823 | 00:16:19,492 | Yes. | Yes. |
187 | 00:16:31,647 | 00:16:33,609 | LM! Did you get my message? | LM! Did you get my message? |
188 | 00:16:33,872 | 00:16:34,696 | Yes, I did. | Yes, I did. |
189 | 00:16:35,685 | 00:16:36,889 | I brought Nikolaj with me. | I brought Nikolaj with me. |
190 | 00:16:36,989 | 00:16:38,553 | Was it you that managed to plot the course? | Was it you that managed to plot the course? |
191 | 00:16:38,570 | 00:16:39,747 | Yes. Look here. | Yes. Look here. |
192 | 00:16:39,808 | 00:16:40,601 | Do you know each other? | Do you know each other? |
193 | 00:16:40,621 | 00:16:41,901 | Yes, we do. | Yes, we do. |
194 | 00:16:42,677 | 00:16:43,494 | Look here. | Look here. |
195 | 00:16:44,323 | 00:16:46,842 | As you can see here, the course... | As you can see here, the course... |
196 | 00:16:47,456 | 00:16:51,198 | is plotted based on radar signals from the night. | is plotted based on radar signals from the night. |
197 | 00:16:51,334 | 00:16:51,800 | Yes. | Yes. |
198 | 00:16:51,826 | 00:16:53,226 | This is awesome, man. | This is awesome, man. |
199 | 00:16:53,380 | 00:16:56,948 | There are 5 minutes between each... | There are 5 minutes between each... |
200 | 00:16:57,148 | 00:16:59,094 | point there which we have plotted during the night. | point there which we have plotted during the night. |
201 | 00:16:59,170 | 00:17:00,342 | Jarliss! | Jarliss! |
202 | 00:17:01,207 | 00:17:04,396 | Based on the phone signals... | Based on the phone signals... |
203 | 00:17:04,596 | 00:17:06,475 | - Yes? - Come and look at this. | - Yes? - Come and look at this. |
204 | 00:17:07,060 | 00:17:11,359 | At 23.25 it is there and goes all the way.... | At 23.25 it is there and goes all the way.... |
205 | 00:17:11,409 | 00:17:12,556 | This is fantastic! | This is fantastic! |
206 | 00:17:12,637 | 00:17:13,492 | So, this will help? | So, this will help? |
207 | 00:17:13,512 | 00:17:14,478 | You bet. | You bet. |
208 | 00:17:14,896 | 00:17:15,809 | Here you go. | Here you go. |
209 | 00:17:25,617 | 00:17:26,740 | Yes, hello. | Yes, hello. |
210 | 00:17:27,783 | 00:17:28,878 | - Hi Joachim. - Hello. | - Hi Joachim. - Hello. |
211 | 00:17:29,519 | 00:17:33,421 | I just wanted to inform you that we have managed | I just wanted to inform you that we have managed |
212 | 00:17:33,446 | 00:17:36,551 | to plot the course the submarine took. | to plot the course the submarine took. |
213 | 00:17:37,031 | 00:17:38,453 | Really? | Really? |
214 | 00:17:39,227 | 00:17:39,966 | Yeah. | Yeah. |
215 | 00:17:41,364 | 00:17:43,119 | Did you have anything to do with it? | Did you have anything to do with it? |
216 | 00:17:43,522 | 00:17:45,506 | No.. What do you mean? | No.. What do you mean? |
217 | 00:17:47,206 | 00:17:51,754 | At first there was no way to get the info and then suddenly it was all available for us. | At first there was no way to get the info and then suddenly it was all available for us. |
218 | 00:17:52,894 | 00:17:56,826 | I don't really think that my call made any difference. | I don't really think that my call made any difference. |
219 | 00:17:57,960 | 00:17:58,955 | Hmmm.. well. | Hmmm.. well. |
220 | 00:17:59,699 | 00:18:04,051 | Anyway, the divers are now able to narrow the search area significantly. | Anyway, the divers are now able to narrow the search area significantly. |
221 | 00:18:04,538 | 00:18:05,938 | That's great news. | That's great news. |
222 | 00:18:08,361 | 00:18:11,338 | Any news on the DNA test? | Any news on the DNA test? |
223 | 00:18:11,674 | 00:18:12,765 | No, not yet. | No, not yet. |
224 | 00:18:13,916 | 00:18:16,763 | But, I'll call as soon as I get any news. | But, I'll call as soon as I get any news. |
225 | 00:18:17,389 | 00:18:18,969 | It's just that.... | It's just that.... |
226 | 00:18:24,418 | 00:18:25,635 | Yes? | Yes? |
227 | 00:18:26,387 | 00:18:28,329 | No, it's nothing. | No, it's nothing. |
228 | 00:18:39,773 | 00:18:42,618 | Day 13 23ʳᵈ August 2017 | Day 13 23ʳᵈ August 2017 |
229 | 00:18:56,645 | 00:18:57,875 | This is Jens. | This is Jens. |
230 | 00:19:05,894 | 00:19:06,968 | Okay. | Okay. |
231 | 00:19:11,501 | 00:19:12,897 | Thanks for letting me know. | Thanks for letting me know. |
232 | 00:19:15,000 | 00:19:16,016 | Something new? | Something new? |
233 | 00:19:18,911 | 00:19:20,977 | We got the DNA test result. | We got the DNA test result. |
234 | 00:19:23,349 | 00:19:25,469 | It's her torso we found. | It's her torso we found. |
235 | 00:19:43,382 | 00:19:45,229 | Hi Joachim, It's Jens. | Hi Joachim, It's Jens. |
236 | 00:19:47,222 | 00:19:49,620 | Apologies for calling so early. | Apologies for calling so early. |
237 | 00:19:54,701 | 00:19:57,187 | We got the DNA result. | We got the DNA result. |
238 | 00:19:57,833 | 00:19:58,821 | Yes. | Yes. |
239 | 00:19:59,425 | 00:20:01,953 | I'm very sorry, but it's a match. | I'm very sorry, but it's a match. |
240 | 00:20:25,766 | 00:20:26,679 | Good morning. | Good morning. |
241 | 00:20:28,020 | 00:20:31,480 | I would like to start by expressing my deepest sympathy | I would like to start by expressing my deepest sympathy |
242 | 00:20:31,486 | 00:20:34,802 | to Kim Wall's family that during the night I had to | to Kim Wall's family that during the night I had to |
243 | 00:20:34,810 | 00:20:37,978 | inform that we have found DNA match between Kim | inform that we have found DNA match between Kim |
244 | 00:20:37,981 | 00:20:41,350 | Wall and the torso that was found couple of days ago. | Wall and the torso that was found couple of days ago. |
245 | 00:22:05,970 | 00:22:08,605 | - No need to take off the shoes. - Are you sure? | - No need to take off the shoes. - Are you sure? |
246 | 00:22:08,634 | 00:22:11,212 | Yes, the dog makes everything dirty anyway. | Yes, the dog makes everything dirty anyway. |
247 | 00:22:18,316 | 00:22:20,769 | The red one's are hers. | The red one's are hers. |
248 | 00:22:24,204 | 00:22:26,229 | She traveled all over. | She traveled all over. |
249 | 00:22:27,563 | 00:22:30,135 | Her and the boyfriend were going to move to | Her and the boyfriend were going to move to |
250 | 00:22:30,160 | 00:22:33,107 | China. They had sorted out an apartment and... | China. They had sorted out an apartment and... |
251 | 00:22:34,368 | 00:22:35,492 | Yes... | Yes... |
252 | 00:22:39,542 | 00:22:41,009 | Please have a seat. | Please have a seat. |
253 | 00:22:45,589 | 00:22:47,993 | Do you want some more coffee? | Do you want some more coffee? |
254 | 00:22:48,362 | 00:22:49,185 | No thanks. | No thanks. |
255 | 00:22:50,803 | 00:22:52,512 | What do we do now? | What do we do now? |
256 | 00:22:55,768 | 00:23:00,430 | When we first met, I promised to be open and honest with you. | When we first met, I promised to be open and honest with you. |
257 | 00:23:01,054 | 00:23:03,787 | That is a promise I intend to keep. | That is a promise I intend to keep. |
258 | 00:23:08,037 | 00:23:11,119 | I have brought some drawings of the torso. | I have brought some drawings of the torso. |
259 | 00:23:13,425 | 00:23:15,235 | I've brought some photographs. | I've brought some photographs. |
260 | 00:23:16,873 | 00:23:20,227 | It's entirely up to you if you want to see both or just the drawings. | It's entirely up to you if you want to see both or just the drawings. |
261 | 00:23:24,717 | 00:23:27,619 | Maybe we start with the drawings. | Maybe we start with the drawings. |
262 | 00:23:29,875 | 00:23:30,763 | Yes. | Yes. |
263 | 00:23:39,005 | 00:23:43,030 | What I can show you here is a drawing of the torso. | What I can show you here is a drawing of the torso. |
264 | 00:23:43,774 | 00:23:47,700 | And the wounds inflicted on the torso are marked by an 'X' | And the wounds inflicted on the torso are marked by an 'X' |
265 | 00:24:26,752 | 00:24:29,109 | - Joche... - Iso. Come . | - Joche... - Iso. Come . |
266 | 00:25:06,920 | 00:25:09,119 | Good God! | Good God! |
267 | 00:25:11,225 | 00:25:13,177 | My sweet girl. | My sweet girl. |
268 | 00:25:38,768 | 00:25:41,035 | It gigantic. | It gigantic. |
269 | 00:25:44,424 | 00:25:48,583 | Were you able to use the radar information from Malmö for something? | Were you able to use the radar information from Malmö for something? |
270 | 00:25:50,835 | 00:25:52,894 | And the cadaver dogs? | And the cadaver dogs? |
271 | 00:25:53,063 | 00:25:55,180 | Unfortunately we don't have them in Denmark. | Unfortunately we don't have them in Denmark. |
272 | 00:25:55,400 | 00:25:56,729 | Why not? | Why not? |
273 | 00:25:57,771 | 00:26:01,043 | They don't think it is adequately proven that they work. | They don't think it is adequately proven that they work. |
274 | 00:26:02,473 | 00:26:04,096 | I see. | I see. |
275 | 00:26:09,855 | 00:26:13,858 | Please pass on my thanks for the help to the team. | Please pass on my thanks for the help to the team. |
276 | 00:26:15,997 | 00:26:17,863 | From both of us. | From both of us. |
277 | 00:26:32,850 | 00:26:34,916 | Thanks, Jens. | Thanks, Jens. |
278 | 00:26:40,981 | 00:26:45,721 | See you later. Please let me know if there is anything we can do. | See you later. Please let me know if there is anything we can do. |
279 | 00:26:45,739 | 00:26:46,866 | Yes, sure. | Yes, sure. |
280 | 00:26:46,933 | 00:26:49,204 | - We are doing everything we can. - Yes. | - We are doing everything we can. - Yes. |
281 | 00:26:49,699 | 00:26:51,113 | Goodbye. | Goodbye. |
282 | 00:27:06,076 | 00:27:12,746 | Hi, you have called Cecilie. I can't take your call, so please leave a message. Bye. | Hi, you have called Cecilie. I can't take your call, so please leave a message. Bye. |
283 | 00:27:14,935 | 00:27:16,056 | Hi Cille.... | Hi Cille.... |
284 | 00:28:03,550 | 00:28:06,815 | Day 17 27ᵗʰ August 2017 | Day 17 27ᵗʰ August 2017 |
285 | 00:28:16,969 | 00:28:19,871 | We are ready to dive in zone 3. | We are ready to dive in zone 3. |
286 | 00:28:23,272 | 00:28:25,886 | - Yes, you can start. - You can go. | - Yes, you can start. - You can go. |
287 | 00:28:36,016 | 00:28:39,183 | We have finished zone 3. Zone 3 is completed. | We have finished zone 3. Zone 3 is completed. |
288 | 00:28:39,240 | 00:28:42,748 | Negative. Nothing found. I repeat - nothing found. | Negative. Nothing found. I repeat - nothing found. |
289 | 00:28:45,402 | 00:28:47,255 | We are not finding anything. | We are not finding anything. |
290 | 00:28:50,992 | 00:28:52,525 | No-one said it would be easy. | No-one said it would be easy. |
291 | 00:28:52,631 | 00:28:55,245 | Easy? No-one said it would be impossible. | Easy? No-one said it would be impossible. |
292 | 00:28:55,510 | 00:28:59,855 | In total, 8 men have dived 240 hours since 11th August. 240 hours in 2 weeks. | In total, 8 men have dived 240 hours since 11th August. 240 hours in 2 weeks. |
293 | 00:29:00,388 | 00:29:02,538 | They don't see their kids, they don't see their wife's. | They don't see their kids, they don't see their wife's. |
294 | 00:29:02,689 | 00:29:04,153 | They work 24/7. | They work 24/7. |
295 | 00:29:04,587 | 00:29:06,005 | They are under huge pressure. | They are under huge pressure. |
296 | 00:29:06,150 | 00:29:08,195 | And when they ask what's the point. | And when they ask what's the point. |
297 | 00:29:08,687 | 00:29:09,907 | What do I tell them? | What do I tell them? |
298 | 00:29:10,009 | 00:29:11,884 | What the hell do you want me to do? | What the hell do you want me to do? |
299 | 00:29:12,624 | 00:29:13,522 | What? | What? |
300 | 00:29:13,943 | 00:29:17,695 | I would love to tell you exactly where to dive. But I don't. | I would love to tell you exactly where to dive. But I don't. |
301 | 00:29:29,558 | 00:29:32,021 | How long have we known each other, Jens? | How long have we known each other, Jens? |
302 | 00:29:36,352 | 00:29:39,217 | I've never seen you ruffled by a case like this before. | I've never seen you ruffled by a case like this before. |
303 | 00:30:02,915 | 00:30:05,913 | His hearing is set for 5ᵗʰ September at 9.30. | His hearing is set for 5ᵗʰ September at 9.30. |
304 | 00:30:06,266 | 00:30:08,360 | And we still don't have enough evidence. | And we still don't have enough evidence. |
305 | 00:30:10,176 | 00:30:13,375 | The ME maintains that cause of death is not on the torso? | The ME maintains that cause of death is not on the torso? |
306 | 00:30:13,417 | 00:30:14,354 | Yes, he does. | Yes, he does. |
307 | 00:30:16,819 | 00:30:20,652 | I might be able to push for manslaughter. He could get less than 2 years. | I might be able to push for manslaughter. He could get less than 2 years. |
308 | 00:30:20,980 | 00:30:23,322 | And without cause of death, even that's a tough one. | And without cause of death, even that's a tough one. |
309 | 00:30:23,474 | 00:30:24,254 | I know. | I know. |
310 | 00:30:24,354 | 00:30:25,835 | What do the divers say? | What do the divers say? |
311 | 00:30:26,467 | 00:30:28,134 | Didn't you plot the course the submarine took? | Didn't you plot the course the submarine took? |
312 | 00:30:28,136 | 00:30:28,746 | Yes. | Yes. |
313 | 00:30:28,751 | 00:30:30,596 | But it still extremely difficult. | But it still extremely difficult. |
314 | 00:30:34,444 | 00:30:35,167 | Okay. | Okay. |
315 | 00:30:36,078 | 00:30:38,556 | Sorry, I'm late. Let's get going. | Sorry, I'm late. Let's get going. |
316 | 00:30:44,471 | 00:30:46,784 | We now know it is Kim's torso. | We now know it is Kim's torso. |
317 | 00:30:47,575 | 00:30:50,299 | We know she didn't die from the wounds on the torso. | We know she didn't die from the wounds on the torso. |
318 | 00:30:50,373 | 00:30:52,785 | We know the accused is lying. He didn't throw her whole | We know the accused is lying. He didn't throw her whole |
319 | 00:30:52,800 | 00:30:55,199 | body into the sea. But exactly what he did we don't know. | body into the sea. But exactly what he did we don't know. |
320 | 00:30:55,343 | 00:30:58,327 | From the VTS data in Malmö, Nikolaj has plotted the | From the VTS data in Malmö, Nikolaj has plotted the |
321 | 00:30:58,352 | 00:31:01,235 | course. That's what now guides the divers. | course. That's what now guides the divers. |
322 | 00:31:01,302 | 00:31:02,938 | They haven't found anything yet. | They haven't found anything yet. |
323 | 00:31:03,854 | 00:31:07,521 | Jakob, you say we can't charge him with murder. | Jakob, you say we can't charge him with murder. |
324 | 00:31:08,874 | 00:31:12,208 | We can charge him with murder, but it would be extremely | We can charge him with murder, but it would be extremely |
325 | 00:31:12,233 | 00:31:15,566 | difficult to get him found guilty without cause of death. | difficult to get him found guilty without cause of death. |
326 | 00:31:16,468 | 00:31:18,606 | But we can't establish cause of death without | But we can't establish cause of death without |
327 | 00:31:18,631 | 00:31:21,091 | finding the head or the other body parts. | finding the head or the other body parts. |
328 | 00:31:27,635 | 00:31:29,796 | So, we must continue to search. | So, we must continue to search. |
329 | 00:31:56,233 | 00:31:57,917 | Thanks for meeting up. | Thanks for meeting up. |
330 | 00:32:00,040 | 00:32:01,611 | I really appreciate it. | I really appreciate it. |
331 | 00:32:03,324 | 00:32:04,374 | Of course. | Of course. |
332 | 00:32:12,633 | 00:32:14,915 | I'm sorry that I just.... | I'm sorry that I just.... |
333 | 00:32:16,966 | 00:32:17,564 | well... | well... |
334 | 00:32:17,659 | 00:32:19,205 | That you just... what? | That you just... what? |
335 | 00:32:21,437 | 00:32:25,381 | Stood up and left, just after I told you that you're gonna be granddad? | Stood up and left, just after I told you that you're gonna be granddad? |
336 | 00:32:30,862 | 00:32:33,908 | Or all the other times you have ignored me? | Or all the other times you have ignored me? |
337 | 00:32:35,498 | 00:32:37,162 | My birthdays? | My birthdays? |
338 | 00:32:38,071 | 00:32:40,308 | Swimming competitions, school plays... | Swimming competitions, school plays... |
339 | 00:32:40,514 | 00:32:42,895 | Or maybe my graduation party? | Or maybe my graduation party? |
340 | 00:32:48,825 | 00:32:50,377 | All of it. | All of it. |
341 | 00:32:58,790 | 00:33:01,284 | Maybe you weren't there much for me. | Maybe you weren't there much for me. |
342 | 00:33:01,866 | 00:33:04,000 | And not much we can do about that now. | And not much we can do about that now. |
343 | 00:33:04,031 | 00:33:05,004 | But... | But... |
344 | 00:33:07,054 | 00:33:09,238 | I don't know. I would just like... | I don't know. I would just like... |
345 | 00:33:11,308 | 00:33:13,193 | like to hope that.... | like to hope that.... |
346 | 00:33:13,431 | 00:33:16,249 | my child can count on it's granddad. | my child can count on it's granddad. |
347 | 00:33:18,259 | 00:33:19,217 | Right? | Right? |
348 | 00:34:36,445 | 00:34:37,458 | Go, boy. | Go, boy. |
349 | 00:34:45,404 | 00:34:47,481 | Good - yeah. | Good - yeah. |
350 | 00:34:55,094 | 00:34:56,556 | Well done. | Well done. |
351 | 00:34:57,537 | 00:34:58,877 | Come here. Come on. | Come here. Come on. |
352 | 00:34:59,185 | 00:35:00,578 | Let go. | Let go. |
353 | 00:35:01,264 | 00:35:02,317 | Good dog. | Good dog. |
354 | 00:35:44,156 | 00:35:45,967 | Hi Joachim. It's Jens. | Hi Joachim. It's Jens. |
355 | 00:35:46,734 | 00:35:49,126 | I just wanted to let you know I will contact | I just wanted to let you know I will contact |
356 | 00:35:49,151 | 00:35:52,526 | Swedish police to see if they will lend us their dogs. | Swedish police to see if they will lend us their dogs. |
357 | 00:35:53,983 | 00:35:55,299 | Good. Take care. | Good. Take care. |
358 | 00:36:13,694 | 00:36:16,430 | Hello. This is Jens Møller from Copenhagen Police. | Hello. This is Jens Møller from Copenhagen Police. |
359 | 00:36:16,738 | 00:36:19,319 | I'm calling to ask for some help. | I'm calling to ask for some help. |
360 | 00:36:20,254 | 00:36:21,266 | Yes, thank you. | Yes, thank you. |
361 | 00:38:05,127 | 00:38:06,744 | Thank you. They are so lovely. | Thank you. They are so lovely. |
362 | 00:39:32,835 | 00:39:35,974 | Ingrid, my love. Don't stand out here in the cold. | Ingrid, my love. Don't stand out here in the cold. |