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1 | 00:00:03,300 | 00:00:06,940 | I remember sitting on the rocks down at the beach, | I remember sitting on the rocks down at the beach, |
2 | 00:00:06,940 | 00:00:08,980 | in my mind going over August 27th, | in my mind going over August 27th, |
3 | 00:00:08,980 | 00:00:11,100 | August 27th, and I kept saying 1979, | August 27th, and I kept saying 1979, |
4 | 00:00:11,100 | 00:00:13,900 | I'll never forget this date, and I don't. | I'll never forget this date, and I don't. |
5 | 00:00:13,900 | 00:00:18,500 | Every year, that date comes round and we remember it. | Every year, that date comes round and we remember it. |
6 | 00:00:18,500 | 00:00:21,300 | 40 years ago, Lord Mountbatten, | 40 years ago, Lord Mountbatten, |
7 | 00:00:21,300 | 00:00:24,220 | the great-uncle of Prince Charles, | the great-uncle of Prince Charles, |
8 | 00:00:24,220 | 00:00:26,380 | was blown up at sea by the IRA | was blown up at sea by the IRA |
9 | 00:00:26,380 | 00:00:28,020 | at Mullaghmore, | at Mullaghmore, |
10 | 00:00:28,020 | 00:00:30,200 | off the west coast of Ireland. | off the west coast of Ireland. |
11 | 00:00:30,200 | 00:00:32,300 | By killing Mountbatten, | By killing Mountbatten, |
12 | 00:00:32,300 | 00:00:34,900 | you sent ripples around the world, | you sent ripples around the world, |
13 | 00:00:34,900 | 00:00:39,380 | in a way in which no other assassination could have achieved. | in a way in which no other assassination could have achieved. |
14 | 00:00:40,200 | 00:00:42,300 | No member of the British royal family | No member of the British royal family |
15 | 00:00:42,300 | 00:00:44,500 | had been murdered | had been murdered |
16 | 00:00:44,500 | 00:00:48,100 | by terrorists, within living memory. | by terrorists, within living memory. |
17 | 00:00:49,000 | 00:00:52,180 | At the time, I could not imagine how | At the time, I could not imagine how |
18 | 00:00:52,180 | 00:00:54,740 | we would come to terms with the anguish | we would come to terms with the anguish |
19 | 00:00:54,740 | 00:00:57,740 | of such a deep loss. | of such a deep loss. |
20 | 00:00:57,740 | 00:01:03,340 | Three others were killed on the boat, including two teenage boys. | Three others were killed on the boat, including two teenage boys. |
21 | 00:01:03,340 | 00:01:05,780 | There was an almighty bang, | There was an almighty bang, |
22 | 00:01:05,780 | 00:01:07,820 | a huge crack like thunder, | a huge crack like thunder, |
23 | 00:01:07,820 | 00:01:10,740 | and I immediately said... | and I immediately said... |
24 | 00:01:10,740 | 00:01:13,100 | "Paul is dead." | "Paul is dead." |
25 | 00:01:13,100 | 00:01:15,380 | The day was marked not just by | The day was marked not just by |
26 | 00:01:15,380 | 00:01:17,220 | the Mountbatten bomb, | the Mountbatten bomb, |
27 | 00:01:17,220 | 00:01:19,340 | but by a second IRA attack | but by a second IRA attack |
28 | 00:01:19,340 | 00:01:21,940 | that killed 18 British soldiers | that killed 18 British soldiers |
29 | 00:01:21,940 | 00:01:24,140 | at Warrenpoint, across the border | at Warrenpoint, across the border |
30 | 00:01:24,140 | 00:01:26,100 | in Northern Ireland. | in Northern Ireland. |
31 | 00:01:26,100 | 00:01:28,100 | The IRA couldn't believe their luck. | The IRA couldn't believe their luck. |
32 | 00:01:28,100 | 00:01:29,900 | For the nationalist population, | For the nationalist population, |
33 | 00:01:29,900 | 00:01:31,460 | we were monsters. | we were monsters. |
34 | 00:01:35,860 | 00:01:38,180 | This is the story of that day... | This is the story of that day... |
35 | 00:01:39,340 | 00:01:41,900 | ..told by those directly affected by it. | ..told by those directly affected by it. |
36 | 00:01:43,580 | 00:01:48,020 | It is hard, when you see the wounds | It is hard, when you see the wounds |
37 | 00:01:48,020 | 00:01:50,860 | that never really got sewn up, | that never really got sewn up, |
38 | 00:01:50,860 | 00:01:53,620 | from that day and that tragedy, | from that day and that tragedy, |
39 | 00:01:53,620 | 00:01:56,020 | and that is hard. | and that is hard. |
40 | 00:01:58,180 | 00:02:05,300 | This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting | This programme contains scenes which some viewers may find upsetting |
41 | 00:02:09,580 | 00:02:13,380 | MUSIC: This Is Your Life theme tune | MUSIC: This Is Your Life theme tune |
42 | 00:02:15,380 | 00:02:16,580 | In a few minutes from now, | In a few minutes from now, |
43 | 00:02:16,580 | 00:02:20,340 | I'll know whether or not we're going to succeed in telling | I'll know whether or not we're going to succeed in telling |
44 | 00:02:20,340 | 00:02:23,980 | the exciting story of a man whose courage and daring in the war | the exciting story of a man whose courage and daring in the war |
45 | 00:02:23,980 | 00:02:26,820 | and far-ranging influence on peace | and far-ranging influence on peace |
46 | 00:02:26,820 | 00:02:28,660 | have significantly contributed to | have significantly contributed to |
47 | 00:02:28,660 | 00:02:31,180 | the shaping of this century's history. | the shaping of this century's history. |
48 | 00:02:31,180 | 00:02:33,660 | The man I'm after has no idea that I'm going to be there... | The man I'm after has no idea that I'm going to be there... |
49 | 00:02:33,660 | 00:02:35,060 | I remember going to the studio | I remember going to the studio |
50 | 00:02:35,060 | 00:02:37,100 | and I remember the dress, I had to wear my sister's | and I remember the dress, I had to wear my sister's |
51 | 00:02:37,100 | 00:02:39,820 | hand-me-down dress, always a hand-me-down dress. | hand-me-down dress, always a hand-me-down dress. |
52 | 00:02:39,820 | 00:02:42,260 | And my thanks to Lord Brabourne, John Barrett... | And my thanks to Lord Brabourne, John Barrett... |
53 | 00:02:42,260 | 00:02:44,900 | We even had Princess Anne's underwear, I remember one year | We even had Princess Anne's underwear, I remember one year |
54 | 00:02:44,900 | 00:02:46,500 | was handed all the way down to us. | was handed all the way down to us. |
55 | 00:02:46,500 | 00:02:49,460 | Admiral of the Fleet, the Earl Mountbatten of Burma, | Admiral of the Fleet, the Earl Mountbatten of Burma, |
56 | 00:02:49,460 | 00:02:51,380 | tonight, this is your life. | tonight, this is your life. |
57 | 00:02:51,380 | 00:02:52,820 | What do you mean? | What do you mean? |
58 | 00:02:52,820 | 00:02:56,900 | LAUGHTER | LAUGHTER |
59 | 00:02:56,900 | 00:02:58,700 | I don't know what you mean! | I don't know what you mean! |
60 | 00:02:58,700 | 00:03:01,860 | Inside here, we have a whole host of surprises for you... | Inside here, we have a whole host of surprises for you... |
61 | 00:03:01,860 | 00:03:04,220 | Amazing that they managed to pull that off. | Amazing that they managed to pull that off. |
62 | 00:03:04,220 | 00:03:07,420 | APPLAUSE | APPLAUSE |
63 | 00:03:09,500 | 00:03:11,300 | Now, India, that's an unusual name, | Now, India, that's an unusual name, |
64 | 00:03:11,300 | 00:03:13,140 | isn't it? How did you get that? | isn't it? How did you get that? |
65 | 00:03:13,140 | 00:03:15,180 | Because my grandfather was the last | Because my grandfather was the last |
66 | 00:03:15,180 | 00:03:18,420 | Viceroy of India. LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | Viceroy of India. LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE |
67 | 00:03:18,420 | 00:03:20,660 | Because my grandfather was the last Viceroy of India! | Because my grandfather was the last Viceroy of India! |
68 | 00:03:22,900 | 00:03:26,060 | Of course, nowadays, people say, what's a Viceroy? | Of course, nowadays, people say, what's a Viceroy? |
69 | 00:03:27,980 | 00:03:29,940 | As Viceroy, he was the last | As Viceroy, he was the last |
70 | 00:03:29,940 | 00:03:32,180 | colonial ruler of India. | colonial ruler of India. |
71 | 00:03:33,820 | 00:03:36,980 | He was also Admiral of the Fleet, | He was also Admiral of the Fleet, |
72 | 00:03:36,980 | 00:03:39,300 | second cousin of the Queen, | second cousin of the Queen, |
73 | 00:03:39,300 | 00:03:41,780 | and mentor to the Prince of Wales. | and mentor to the Prince of Wales. |
74 | 00:03:43,980 | 00:03:45,820 | The Earl Mountbatten of Burma | The Earl Mountbatten of Burma |
75 | 00:03:45,820 | 00:03:48,100 | was, for half a century, one of | was, for half a century, one of |
76 | 00:03:48,100 | 00:03:50,660 | Britain's leading public figures. | Britain's leading public figures. |
77 | 00:03:52,340 | 00:03:54,100 | Can you bear having hot milk in it, | Can you bear having hot milk in it, |
78 | 00:03:54,100 | 00:03:56,180 | or would you rather not have milk in it? | or would you rather not have milk in it? |
79 | 00:03:56,180 | 00:03:57,460 | In retirement, he spent | In retirement, he spent |
80 | 00:03:57,460 | 00:04:00,020 | more time with his family, | more time with his family, |
81 | 00:04:00,020 | 00:04:02,860 | but he still enjoyed the public spotlight so much | but he still enjoyed the public spotlight so much |
82 | 00:04:02,860 | 00:04:04,540 | that he allowed an ITV crew | that he allowed an ITV crew |
83 | 00:04:04,540 | 00:04:07,340 | to record his annual summer holiday in Ireland, | to record his annual summer holiday in Ireland, |
84 | 00:04:07,340 | 00:04:10,860 | even if it meant compromising the family's privacy. | even if it meant compromising the family's privacy. |
85 | 00:04:10,860 | 00:04:12,220 | I've found some more milk... | I've found some more milk... |
86 | 00:04:12,220 | 00:04:13,500 | Every Easter, every summer, | Every Easter, every summer, |
87 | 00:04:13,500 | 00:04:15,860 | every Christmas, every single holiday, | every Christmas, every single holiday, |
88 | 00:04:15,860 | 00:04:17,820 | we were together with our cousins. | we were together with our cousins. |
89 | 00:04:17,820 | 00:04:19,140 | One, two, three... Whoopsie! | One, two, three... Whoopsie! |
90 | 00:04:19,140 | 00:04:22,380 | Classiebawn was always in the summer, a month in August. | Classiebawn was always in the summer, a month in August. |
91 | 00:04:22,380 | 00:04:24,420 | The twins, where are the twins? | The twins, where are the twins? |
92 | 00:04:24,420 | 00:04:28,500 | For all of the fact that it was called Classiebawn Castle, | For all of the fact that it was called Classiebawn Castle, |
93 | 00:04:28,500 | 00:04:31,700 | essentially, it wasn't. It was a Victorian mansion, with some turret | essentially, it wasn't. It was a Victorian mansion, with some turret |
94 | 00:04:31,700 | 00:04:33,340 | built onto the end of it. | built onto the end of it. |
95 | 00:04:34,420 | 00:04:38,860 | Lord Mountbatten inherited Classiebawn Castle from his wife, | Lord Mountbatten inherited Classiebawn Castle from his wife, |
96 | 00:04:38,860 | 00:04:41,700 | Lady Edwina, who died in 1960. | Lady Edwina, who died in 1960. |
97 | 00:04:42,940 | 00:04:45,540 | There were so many wonderful traditions. | There were so many wonderful traditions. |
98 | 00:04:50,420 | 00:04:52,340 | The heart of the holiday was | The heart of the holiday was |
99 | 00:04:52,340 | 00:04:53,660 | going out on the boat. | going out on the boat. |
100 | 00:04:53,660 | 00:04:55,100 | I would go a lot on the boat, | I would go a lot on the boat, |
101 | 00:04:55,100 | 00:04:56,820 | we all did. | we all did. |
102 | 00:04:58,460 | 00:04:59,980 | India, come on... | India, come on... |
103 | 00:04:59,980 | 00:05:02,420 | The building of the dams, that was absolutely a tradition, | The building of the dams, that was absolutely a tradition, |
104 | 00:05:02,420 | 00:05:04,260 | and taken very seriously. | and taken very seriously. |
105 | 00:05:04,260 | 00:05:05,900 | Everybody knew what they had to do. | Everybody knew what they had to do. |
106 | 00:05:05,900 | 00:05:08,900 | LORD MOUNTBATTEN: Give it to me, I'll show you. Make the hole here. | LORD MOUNTBATTEN: Give it to me, I'll show you. Make the hole here. |
107 | 00:05:08,900 | 00:05:11,100 | There it is, see? From here, | There it is, see? From here, |
108 | 00:05:11,100 | 00:05:12,580 | then you start doing the dam. | then you start doing the dam. |
109 | 00:05:12,580 | 00:05:14,220 | Yeah. Out of the way... | Yeah. Out of the way... |
110 | 00:05:14,220 | 00:05:18,220 | You see, he was, um, admiralling, wasn't he? | You see, he was, um, admiralling, wasn't he? |
111 | 00:05:18,220 | 00:05:19,500 | No, put it this way. | No, put it this way. |
112 | 00:05:19,500 | 00:05:20,900 | Go on, do as you're told. | Go on, do as you're told. |
113 | 00:05:20,900 | 00:05:22,100 | Do as you're told. | Do as you're told. |
114 | 00:05:22,100 | 00:05:23,700 | That'll do it. | That'll do it. |
115 | 00:05:23,700 | 00:05:25,420 | There we are. There you are... | There we are. There you are... |
116 | 00:05:25,420 | 00:05:27,020 | It would be hard to be | It would be hard to be |
117 | 00:05:27,020 | 00:05:29,460 | Chief of Combined Operations and then not be in charge of | Chief of Combined Operations and then not be in charge of |
118 | 00:05:29,460 | 00:05:31,900 | the family dam, let's face it. | the family dam, let's face it. |
119 | 00:05:33,500 | 00:05:35,420 | That way... | That way... |
120 | 00:05:35,420 | 00:05:40,380 | The Mountbattens were generally viewed by the locals as benevolent, | The Mountbattens were generally viewed by the locals as benevolent, |
121 | 00:05:40,380 | 00:05:44,300 | well-meaning, helpful people, who it was nice to have around. | well-meaning, helpful people, who it was nice to have around. |
122 | 00:05:44,300 | 00:05:47,500 | The neighbourhood benefited as a result of their presence. | The neighbourhood benefited as a result of their presence. |
123 | 00:05:50,020 | 00:05:53,180 | Each summer, the Mountbattens would take up residence | Each summer, the Mountbattens would take up residence |
124 | 00:05:53,180 | 00:05:54,660 | at Classiebawn Castle, | at Classiebawn Castle, |
125 | 00:05:54,660 | 00:05:58,300 | overlooking the pretty fishing village of Mullaghmore. | overlooking the pretty fishing village of Mullaghmore. |
126 | 00:05:59,900 | 00:06:03,100 | The family's visits brought a touch of glamour, | The family's visits brought a touch of glamour, |
127 | 00:06:03,100 | 00:06:05,620 | and jobs for the locals. | and jobs for the locals. |
128 | 00:06:06,620 | 00:06:08,460 | This photograph, here, | This photograph, here, |
129 | 00:06:08,460 | 00:06:10,860 | was in the dining room of Classiebawn. | was in the dining room of Classiebawn. |
130 | 00:06:10,860 | 00:06:15,140 | It's a dinner. That is me there. | It's a dinner. That is me there. |
131 | 00:06:17,780 | 00:06:19,820 | When you look back, so many years ago, | When you look back, so many years ago, |
132 | 00:06:19,820 | 00:06:21,860 | it's now 40 years, you can always say, | it's now 40 years, you can always say, |
133 | 00:06:21,860 | 00:06:26,260 | the memories of them are happy ones, | the memories of them are happy ones, |
134 | 00:06:26,260 | 00:06:28,940 | and that's the most important thing of all. | and that's the most important thing of all. |
135 | 00:06:28,940 | 00:06:31,180 | Do you remember this, Mother? | Do you remember this, Mother? |
136 | 00:06:31,180 | 00:06:34,460 | Louis gave you this book. Yeah. | Louis gave you this book. Yeah. |
137 | 00:06:34,460 | 00:06:36,540 | "To Mrs Barry, with grateful appreciation, | "To Mrs Barry, with grateful appreciation, |
138 | 00:06:36,540 | 00:06:41,540 | "Mountbatten of Burma, Classiebawn Castle. August, 1978." | "Mountbatten of Burma, Classiebawn Castle. August, 1978." |
139 | 00:06:41,540 | 00:06:44,980 | And it was Barbara Cartland's Book of Useless Information. | And it was Barbara Cartland's Book of Useless Information. |
140 | 00:06:44,980 | 00:06:47,700 | So, my mother treasured that very much. | So, my mother treasured that very much. |
141 | 00:06:47,700 | 00:06:50,060 | I think that's the last thing he gave to her. | I think that's the last thing he gave to her. |
142 | 00:07:03,100 | 00:07:06,100 | The Mountbattens were not alone in their attachment | The Mountbattens were not alone in their attachment |
143 | 00:07:06,100 | 00:07:08,460 | to Mullaghmore. | to Mullaghmore. |
144 | 00:07:08,460 | 00:07:10,540 | There are my three children at Mullaghmore. | There are my three children at Mullaghmore. |
145 | 00:07:10,540 | 00:07:14,500 | That was Paul and his two sisters. | That was Paul and his two sisters. |
146 | 00:07:16,500 | 00:07:19,140 | Mullaghmore was a popular holiday destination | Mullaghmore was a popular holiday destination |
147 | 00:07:19,140 | 00:07:21,780 | for families from Northern Ireland, | for families from Northern Ireland, |
148 | 00:07:21,780 | 00:07:23,140 | as well as the South, | as well as the South, |
149 | 00:07:23,140 | 00:07:25,540 | and the Maxwells, from Enniskillen, | and the Maxwells, from Enniskillen, |
150 | 00:07:25,540 | 00:07:27,460 | had their own cottage there. | had their own cottage there. |
151 | 00:07:27,460 | 00:07:31,340 | We went down there during summer holidays for two months | We went down there during summer holidays for two months |
152 | 00:07:31,340 | 00:07:36,060 | every year, and the children enjoyed it immensely. | every year, and the children enjoyed it immensely. |
153 | 00:07:36,060 | 00:07:37,940 | I particularly like this... | I particularly like this... |
154 | 00:07:37,940 | 00:07:39,580 | this one of Paul. | this one of Paul. |
155 | 00:07:41,060 | 00:07:44,060 | That summer, 15-year-old Paul Maxwell | That summer, 15-year-old Paul Maxwell |
156 | 00:07:44,060 | 00:07:46,300 | landed his dream job - looking after | landed his dream job - looking after |
157 | 00:07:46,300 | 00:07:49,780 | Lord Mountbatten's boat, Shadow V. | Lord Mountbatten's boat, Shadow V. |
158 | 00:07:49,780 | 00:07:52,460 | I think they had a nice relationship. | I think they had a nice relationship. |
159 | 00:07:52,460 | 00:07:54,900 | Paul would sometimes | Paul would sometimes |
160 | 00:07:54,900 | 00:07:57,300 | stay on the boat afterwards with | stay on the boat afterwards with |
161 | 00:07:57,300 | 00:08:00,380 | Mountbatten and they would talk. | Mountbatten and they would talk. |
162 | 00:08:00,380 | 00:08:05,860 | And he told Paul about going into the Navy. And he said, | And he told Paul about going into the Navy. And he said, |
163 | 00:08:05,860 | 00:08:10,300 | "You know, I went into the Navy when I was 12 years old, | "You know, I went into the Navy when I was 12 years old, |
164 | 00:08:10,300 | 00:08:14,220 | "and I saw active service when I was 16." | "and I saw active service when I was 16." |
165 | 00:08:14,220 | 00:08:19,260 | And Paul said to him, "Were you not frightened, My Lord?" | And Paul said to him, "Were you not frightened, My Lord?" |
166 | 00:08:19,260 | 00:08:22,500 | And he said, "Yes, but you didn't show it." | And he said, "Yes, but you didn't show it." |
167 | 00:08:22,500 | 00:08:24,260 | And you can see... | And you can see... |
168 | 00:08:24,260 | 00:08:27,780 | Classiebawn in the background there, | Classiebawn in the background there, |
169 | 00:08:27,780 | 00:08:29,180 | in the distance. | in the distance. |
170 | 00:08:32,500 | 00:08:36,980 | Classiebawn itself had been a fairly early example of what you might call | Classiebawn itself had been a fairly early example of what you might call |
171 | 00:08:36,980 | 00:08:38,980 | English colonisation, | English colonisation, |
172 | 00:08:38,980 | 00:08:43,220 | in a sense that, quite clearly, they were intruders. | in a sense that, quite clearly, they were intruders. |
173 | 00:08:43,220 | 00:08:49,260 | The Irish obviously resented Britain, as such, and wanted us out. | The Irish obviously resented Britain, as such, and wanted us out. |
174 | 00:08:50,900 | 00:08:53,220 | The Mountbattens' summer retreat | The Mountbattens' summer retreat |
175 | 00:08:53,220 | 00:08:55,180 | was in County Sligo, | was in County Sligo, |
176 | 00:08:55,180 | 00:08:57,660 | in the Republic of Ireland. | in the Republic of Ireland. |
177 | 00:08:57,660 | 00:08:59,460 | Mullaghmore was only 13 miles | Mullaghmore was only 13 miles |
178 | 00:08:59,460 | 00:09:01,700 | from the border with Northern Ireland | from the border with Northern Ireland |
179 | 00:09:01,700 | 00:09:03,300 | where, in 1969, | where, in 1969, |
180 | 00:09:03,300 | 00:09:06,020 | a bloody conflict broke out. | a bloody conflict broke out. |
181 | 00:09:06,020 | 00:09:07,980 | EXPLOSION | EXPLOSION |
182 | 00:09:10,860 | 00:09:12,100 | Catholics in Northern Ireland | Catholics in Northern Ireland |
183 | 00:09:12,100 | 00:09:14,100 | resented being treated as | resented being treated as |
184 | 00:09:14,100 | 00:09:16,940 | what they saw as second-class citizens, | what they saw as second-class citizens, |
185 | 00:09:16,940 | 00:09:21,420 | and the IRA took up arms against the British state. | and the IRA took up arms against the British state. |
186 | 00:09:22,580 | 00:09:24,260 | Despite the nearby Troubles, | Despite the nearby Troubles, |
187 | 00:09:24,260 | 00:09:26,700 | the Mountbattens kept coming | the Mountbattens kept coming |
188 | 00:09:26,700 | 00:09:28,100 | to Classiebawn. | to Classiebawn. |
189 | 00:09:28,100 | 00:09:30,740 | They enjoyed protection from the local police, | They enjoyed protection from the local police, |
190 | 00:09:30,740 | 00:09:32,980 | the Garda, but it was all kept | the Garda, but it was all kept |
191 | 00:09:32,980 | 00:09:34,420 | very low-key. | very low-key. |
192 | 00:09:36,860 | 00:09:38,860 | The families themselves were | The families themselves were |
193 | 00:09:38,860 | 00:09:40,660 | very rarely targeted at all | very rarely targeted at all |
194 | 00:09:40,660 | 00:09:44,740 | and there was very little personal animosity. | and there was very little personal animosity. |
195 | 00:09:45,780 | 00:09:47,460 | I don't believe the Garda, | I don't believe the Garda, |
196 | 00:09:47,460 | 00:09:49,380 | more than anybody else, believed | more than anybody else, believed |
197 | 00:09:49,380 | 00:09:51,500 | that actually, there was a serious threat. | that actually, there was a serious threat. |
198 | 00:09:53,420 | 00:09:57,340 | Judging the appropriate level of security for the Mountbattens | Judging the appropriate level of security for the Mountbattens |
199 | 00:09:57,340 | 00:09:59,180 | was a tough call. | was a tough call. |
200 | 00:09:59,180 | 00:10:02,820 | My grandfather was very keen not to have the intrusion of | My grandfather was very keen not to have the intrusion of |
201 | 00:10:02,820 | 00:10:05,140 | an overly protective force around, | an overly protective force around, |
202 | 00:10:05,140 | 00:10:07,100 | which is funny when you think that | which is funny when you think that |
203 | 00:10:07,100 | 00:10:11,180 | on the mountainside, there was a big painted sign, "Brits go home". | on the mountainside, there was a big painted sign, "Brits go home". |
204 | 00:10:11,180 | 00:10:14,900 | You arrived for your summer holiday and that's the welcome. | You arrived for your summer holiday and that's the welcome. |
205 | 00:10:19,540 | 00:10:21,580 | A reminder that while the fishing village | A reminder that while the fishing village |
206 | 00:10:21,580 | 00:10:24,980 | of Mullaghmore itself may have welcomed the Mountbattens, | of Mullaghmore itself may have welcomed the Mountbattens, |
207 | 00:10:24,980 | 00:10:27,660 | County Sligo had deep roots in | County Sligo had deep roots in |
208 | 00:10:27,660 | 00:10:30,420 | the Republican movement. | the Republican movement. |
209 | 00:10:30,420 | 00:10:33,740 | Mountbatten would have been seen by | Mountbatten would have been seen by |
210 | 00:10:33,740 | 00:10:37,140 | people in the IRA leadership as a... | people in the IRA leadership as a... |
211 | 00:10:37,140 | 00:10:40,420 | cultural icon of the British establishment. | cultural icon of the British establishment. |
212 | 00:10:41,860 | 00:10:46,900 | Anthony McIntyre joined the IRA in Belfast in 1973. | Anthony McIntyre joined the IRA in Belfast in 1973. |
213 | 00:10:46,900 | 00:10:49,540 | He wanted to get the Brits out | He wanted to get the Brits out |
214 | 00:10:49,540 | 00:10:52,420 | and create a united Ireland. | and create a united Ireland. |
215 | 00:10:52,420 | 00:10:54,980 | Although he later fell out with the IRA, | Although he later fell out with the IRA, |
216 | 00:10:54,980 | 00:10:57,500 | he understood their mind-set at the time. | he understood their mind-set at the time. |
217 | 00:10:57,500 | 00:10:59,260 | BAND PLAYS | BAND PLAYS |
218 | 00:10:59,260 | 00:11:01,060 | He would have been targeted, | He would have been targeted, |
219 | 00:11:01,060 | 00:11:05,260 | and his targeting justified | and his targeting justified |
220 | 00:11:05,260 | 00:11:09,420 | on the grounds that by taking him out, | on the grounds that by taking him out, |
221 | 00:11:09,420 | 00:11:13,620 | there was a blow being administered | there was a blow being administered |
222 | 00:11:13,620 | 00:11:17,820 | to the very heart of the British establishment. | to the very heart of the British establishment. |
223 | 00:11:17,820 | 00:11:19,420 | HE SHOUTS COMMAND | HE SHOUTS COMMAND |
224 | 00:11:20,940 | 00:11:24,700 | It turns out that throughout the 1970s, Lord Mountbatten | It turns out that throughout the 1970s, Lord Mountbatten |
225 | 00:11:24,700 | 00:11:28,060 | had been a potential target for the IRA. | had been a potential target for the IRA. |
226 | 00:11:30,580 | 00:11:34,860 | Kieran Conway had risen through the IRA's ranks to become | Kieran Conway had risen through the IRA's ranks to become |
227 | 00:11:34,860 | 00:11:37,660 | its Director of Intelligence by 1975. | its Director of Intelligence by 1975. |
228 | 00:11:38,940 | 00:11:42,980 | He reveals, for the first time, that an attempt on Mountbatten's life | He reveals, for the first time, that an attempt on Mountbatten's life |
229 | 00:11:42,980 | 00:11:46,340 | had been actively considered four years before | had been actively considered four years before |
230 | 00:11:46,340 | 00:11:48,420 | the successful assassination. | the successful assassination. |
231 | 00:11:48,420 | 00:11:49,940 | In the mid-Seventies, | In the mid-Seventies, |
232 | 00:11:49,940 | 00:11:53,020 | there was an operation cleared to kill Mountbatten. | there was an operation cleared to kill Mountbatten. |
233 | 00:11:54,660 | 00:11:58,260 | He was to be ambushed either exiting or entering his castle. | He was to be ambushed either exiting or entering his castle. |
234 | 00:11:59,940 | 00:12:01,420 | Four or five men, | Four or five men, |
235 | 00:12:01,420 | 00:12:04,740 | a spotter car somewhere distant, | a spotter car somewhere distant, |
236 | 00:12:04,740 | 00:12:07,740 | then walkie-talkie communication between the people with the guns | then walkie-talkie communication between the people with the guns |
237 | 00:12:07,740 | 00:12:10,580 | and the car to say he's on his way. | and the car to say he's on his way. |
238 | 00:12:11,660 | 00:12:13,700 | You'd know roughly how long it was going to take, | You'd know roughly how long it was going to take, |
239 | 00:12:13,700 | 00:12:17,340 | and, er, then open up on the car. | and, er, then open up on the car. |
240 | 00:12:20,780 | 00:12:23,060 | The mind-set in '74-'75, the early '70s, | The mind-set in '74-'75, the early '70s, |
241 | 00:12:23,060 | 00:12:27,260 | would have been operational, you know? Like, kill them. Ha! | would have been operational, you know? Like, kill them. Ha! |
242 | 00:12:27,260 | 00:12:29,500 | Without too much reflection. | Without too much reflection. |
243 | 00:12:32,340 | 00:12:37,380 | I think he would have been astonished if told that there were | I think he would have been astonished if told that there were |
244 | 00:12:37,380 | 00:12:41,300 | IRA members in Ireland who were interested in his existence, | IRA members in Ireland who were interested in his existence, |
245 | 00:12:41,300 | 00:12:43,180 | let alone wanting to murder him. | let alone wanting to murder him. |
246 | 00:12:43,180 | 00:12:47,460 | The 1975 plot did not get the go-ahead from | The 1975 plot did not get the go-ahead from |
247 | 00:12:47,460 | 00:12:50,100 | the IRA's Army Council, | the IRA's Army Council, |
248 | 00:12:50,100 | 00:12:54,340 | and Kieran Conway temporarily left the IRA later that year. | and Kieran Conway temporarily left the IRA later that year. |
249 | 00:12:55,380 | 00:12:57,540 | EXPLOSION | EXPLOSION |
250 | 00:12:57,540 | 00:12:59,380 | But the military campaign against | But the military campaign against |
251 | 00:12:59,380 | 00:13:01,820 | the British security forces | the British security forces |
252 | 00:13:01,820 | 00:13:03,220 | did not let up. | did not let up. |
253 | 00:13:03,220 | 00:13:07,100 | In Crossmaglen, it takes all the professional skills of the Army | In Crossmaglen, it takes all the professional skills of the Army |
254 | 00:13:07,100 | 00:13:09,300 | to make it safe enough for the Royal Ulster Constabulary | to make it safe enough for the Royal Ulster Constabulary |
255 | 00:13:09,300 | 00:13:11,140 | to walk around the town where | to walk around the town where |
256 | 00:13:11,140 | 00:13:13,620 | they're charged with maintaining law and order. | they're charged with maintaining law and order. |
257 | 00:13:13,620 | 00:13:15,700 | Two of them have been gunned down here. | Two of them have been gunned down here. |
258 | 00:13:16,940 | 00:13:20,940 | By 1979, the British Army had been in Northern Ireland | By 1979, the British Army had been in Northern Ireland |
259 | 00:13:20,940 | 00:13:22,740 | for ten years. | for ten years. |
260 | 00:13:22,740 | 00:13:25,060 | Around 30,000 troops were lined up against | Around 30,000 troops were lined up against |
261 | 00:13:25,060 | 00:13:30,060 | an estimated 500 IRA volunteers, | an estimated 500 IRA volunteers, |
262 | 00:13:30,060 | 00:13:34,100 | yet 324 soldiers had already been killed. | yet 324 soldiers had already been killed. |
263 | 00:13:35,940 | 00:13:39,180 | And things were particularly dangerous in South Armagh, | And things were particularly dangerous in South Armagh, |
264 | 00:13:39,180 | 00:13:42,420 | which runs along the Irish border. | which runs along the Irish border. |
265 | 00:13:42,420 | 00:13:44,260 | Bombings and shootings. | Bombings and shootings. |
266 | 00:13:46,860 | 00:13:51,940 | South Armagh had a fairly notorious reputation as being dangerous. | South Armagh had a fairly notorious reputation as being dangerous. |
267 | 00:13:53,300 | 00:13:55,020 | More dangerous, perhaps, | More dangerous, perhaps, |
268 | 00:13:55,020 | 00:13:58,460 | than any other battalion area. | than any other battalion area. |
269 | 00:13:58,460 | 00:14:01,940 | Of course, South Armagh adjoins the Republic... | Of course, South Armagh adjoins the Republic... |
270 | 00:14:02,980 | 00:14:05,420 | ..so life on the border was, um... | ..so life on the border was, um... |
271 | 00:14:06,620 | 00:14:08,260 | ..er, challenging. | ..er, challenging. |
272 | 00:14:11,700 | 00:14:14,740 | The South Armagh Brigade was, er, beyond belief. | The South Armagh Brigade was, er, beyond belief. |
273 | 00:14:15,900 | 00:14:18,580 | Just its ability, their operational efficiency. | Just its ability, their operational efficiency. |
274 | 00:14:18,580 | 00:14:21,180 | They were, erm, visibly beating the British. | They were, erm, visibly beating the British. |
275 | 00:14:26,380 | 00:14:28,220 | In the summer of 1979, | In the summer of 1979, |
276 | 00:14:28,220 | 00:14:30,540 | the South Armagh Brigade | the South Armagh Brigade |
277 | 00:14:30,540 | 00:14:31,980 | was plotting two of the most | was plotting two of the most |
278 | 00:14:31,980 | 00:14:33,220 | ambitious attacks of | ambitious attacks of |
279 | 00:14:33,220 | 00:14:36,220 | the IRA's campaign so far. | the IRA's campaign so far. |
280 | 00:14:36,220 | 00:14:37,980 | One in Warrenpoint, | One in Warrenpoint, |
281 | 00:14:37,980 | 00:14:40,540 | the other just south of | the other just south of |
282 | 00:14:40,540 | 00:14:42,340 | the border, in Mullaghmore. | the border, in Mullaghmore. |
283 | 00:14:44,980 | 00:14:47,820 | There, during the night of the 26th of August, | There, during the night of the 26th of August, |
284 | 00:14:47,820 | 00:14:50,260 | the IRA planted a remote-controlled | the IRA planted a remote-controlled |
285 | 00:14:50,260 | 00:14:51,700 | 50-pound bomb on | 50-pound bomb on |
286 | 00:14:51,700 | 00:14:55,460 | Lord Mountbatten's boat, Shadow V, | Lord Mountbatten's boat, Shadow V, |
287 | 00:14:55,460 | 00:14:58,780 | sitting unguarded in the harbour. | sitting unguarded in the harbour. |
288 | 00:15:17,740 | 00:15:19,940 | I went on duty at 6am... | I went on duty at 6am... |
289 | 00:15:21,660 | 00:15:23,340 | ..up at the castle here. | ..up at the castle here. |
290 | 00:15:25,420 | 00:15:28,420 | 9:00-9:30, Lord Mountbatten | 9:00-9:30, Lord Mountbatten |
291 | 00:15:28,420 | 00:15:31,220 | and his family | and his family |
292 | 00:15:31,220 | 00:15:34,460 | came out from the castle and informed us that they were | came out from the castle and informed us that they were |
293 | 00:15:34,460 | 00:15:36,460 | going down to the pier. | going down to the pier. |
294 | 00:15:36,460 | 00:15:38,420 | So, we got into a patrol car | So, we got into a patrol car |
295 | 00:15:38,420 | 00:15:40,500 | and we escorted them. | and we escorted them. |
296 | 00:15:44,060 | 00:15:45,900 | In this unique photograph, | In this unique photograph, |
297 | 00:15:45,900 | 00:15:48,180 | taken just 24 hours earlier, | taken just 24 hours earlier, |
298 | 00:15:48,180 | 00:15:50,140 | showing the family and staff | showing the family and staff |
299 | 00:15:50,140 | 00:15:51,660 | outside Classiebawn, | outside Classiebawn, |
300 | 00:15:51,660 | 00:15:53,060 | all the members of | all the members of |
301 | 00:15:53,060 | 00:15:55,860 | Lord Mountbatten's boat party are present. | Lord Mountbatten's boat party are present. |
302 | 00:15:55,860 | 00:15:57,980 | His son-in-law, Lord Brabourne, | His son-in-law, Lord Brabourne, |
303 | 00:15:57,980 | 00:16:00,340 | and his daughter, Patricia, | and his daughter, Patricia, |
304 | 00:16:00,340 | 00:16:01,980 | their 14-year-old twin sons, | their 14-year-old twin sons, |
305 | 00:16:01,980 | 00:16:04,300 | Timothy and Nicholas Knatchbull, | Timothy and Nicholas Knatchbull, |
306 | 00:16:04,300 | 00:16:08,660 | and their 83-year-old grandmother, Doreen, the Lady Dowager. | and their 83-year-old grandmother, Doreen, the Lady Dowager. |
307 | 00:16:08,660 | 00:16:10,340 | The only non-family member on board | The only non-family member on board |
308 | 00:16:10,340 | 00:16:15,140 | was the 15-year-old Northern Irish boat boy, Paul Maxwell. | was the 15-year-old Northern Irish boat boy, Paul Maxwell. |
309 | 00:16:19,020 | 00:16:22,740 | The day itself comes to me in flashes, | The day itself comes to me in flashes, |
310 | 00:16:22,740 | 00:16:24,300 | rather like small explosions. | rather like small explosions. |
311 | 00:16:26,060 | 00:16:30,260 | I remember distinctly sitting in the library with my brother. | I remember distinctly sitting in the library with my brother. |
312 | 00:16:30,260 | 00:16:33,660 | My grandfather and the others had gone out on the boat, | My grandfather and the others had gone out on the boat, |
313 | 00:16:33,660 | 00:16:36,500 | and Ash and I were watching - on this crackly, fuzzy | and Ash and I were watching - on this crackly, fuzzy |
314 | 00:16:36,500 | 00:16:38,540 | television screen - Laurel and Hardy. | television screen - Laurel and Hardy. |
315 | 00:16:40,980 | 00:16:45,540 | On that day, August 27th, 1979, | On that day, August 27th, 1979, |
316 | 00:16:45,540 | 00:16:49,900 | I was sitting on the back patio, with | I was sitting on the back patio, with |
317 | 00:16:49,900 | 00:16:53,180 | Paul's father and Lisa. | Paul's father and Lisa. |
318 | 00:16:53,180 | 00:16:57,420 | Paul said, "Goodbye, Mum, see you in the evening." | Paul said, "Goodbye, Mum, see you in the evening." |
319 | 00:16:59,180 | 00:17:04,540 | I didn't think that was the last time I would ever see him alive. | I didn't think that was the last time I would ever see him alive. |
320 | 00:17:11,860 | 00:17:13,700 | Beautiful morning, it was. | Beautiful morning, it was. |
321 | 00:17:13,700 | 00:17:16,100 | The sun was shining. | The sun was shining. |
322 | 00:17:16,100 | 00:17:18,740 | They left Mullaghmore Pier and | They left Mullaghmore Pier and |
323 | 00:17:18,740 | 00:17:20,180 | travelled out to | travelled out to |
324 | 00:17:20,180 | 00:17:22,100 | where they had some lobster pots. | where they had some lobster pots. |
325 | 00:17:41,660 | 00:17:43,340 | This is where we were. | This is where we were. |
326 | 00:17:43,340 | 00:17:46,020 | Yes, looking out here. Because... | Yes, looking out here. Because... |
327 | 00:17:46,020 | 00:17:48,340 | you can see the boat as it came along. | you can see the boat as it came along. |
328 | 00:17:52,980 | 00:17:56,140 | Dennis Devlin was a 15-year-old, | Dennis Devlin was a 15-year-old, |
329 | 00:17:56,140 | 00:17:58,780 | whose family came to Mullaghmore every summer. | whose family came to Mullaghmore every summer. |
330 | 00:17:58,780 | 00:18:00,380 | Their caravan was parked | Their caravan was parked |
331 | 00:18:00,380 | 00:18:02,100 | just off the coastal road. | just off the coastal road. |
332 | 00:18:12,820 | 00:18:15,180 | As they came in, I could hear them talking. | As they came in, I could hear them talking. |
333 | 00:18:16,860 | 00:18:18,780 | Talking among themselves. | Talking among themselves. |
334 | 00:18:22,300 | 00:18:23,580 | As the boat pulled up, | As the boat pulled up, |
335 | 00:18:23,580 | 00:18:26,340 | I remember the young fella over the side of the boat | I remember the young fella over the side of the boat |
336 | 00:18:26,340 | 00:18:29,180 | pulling in the lobster pot, and slowly pulled it in. | pulling in the lobster pot, and slowly pulled it in. |
337 | 00:18:43,500 | 00:18:49,540 | Suddenly, there was a flash of light and a loud bang. | Suddenly, there was a flash of light and a loud bang. |
338 | 00:18:49,540 | 00:18:52,020 | You could see the boat had just disintegrated. | You could see the boat had just disintegrated. |
339 | 00:18:52,020 | 00:18:55,260 | It was obvious that a bomb had gone off. | It was obvious that a bomb had gone off. |
340 | 00:18:58,540 | 00:19:01,340 | There was an almighty bang. | There was an almighty bang. |
341 | 00:19:01,340 | 00:19:04,460 | A huge crack, like thunder. | A huge crack, like thunder. |
342 | 00:19:06,540 | 00:19:09,620 | And I immediately said, | And I immediately said, |
343 | 00:19:09,620 | 00:19:11,340 | "Paul is dead." | "Paul is dead." |
344 | 00:19:13,940 | 00:19:20,860 | And I knew he was dead because I felt a part of me go. | And I knew he was dead because I felt a part of me go. |
345 | 00:19:26,100 | 00:19:28,740 | My brother, sister and I were taken | My brother, sister and I were taken |
346 | 00:19:28,740 | 00:19:31,380 | into the study and, before anything, | into the study and, before anything, |
347 | 00:19:31,380 | 00:19:33,620 | we were asked to take these pills, with a glass of water. | we were asked to take these pills, with a glass of water. |
348 | 00:19:33,620 | 00:19:35,460 | I'd never taken a pill in my life before. | I'd never taken a pill in my life before. |
349 | 00:19:35,460 | 00:19:41,500 | And that, to me, was more surprising than anything of that day. | And that, to me, was more surprising than anything of that day. |
350 | 00:19:41,500 | 00:19:44,220 | I couldn't understand why I was being made to take a pill. | I couldn't understand why I was being made to take a pill. |
351 | 00:19:44,220 | 00:19:46,980 | Again, I think it's so reflective of the era that they were in, | Again, I think it's so reflective of the era that they were in, |
352 | 00:19:46,980 | 00:19:49,700 | in the 1970s, that someone would have had Valium on them, | in the 1970s, that someone would have had Valium on them, |
353 | 00:19:49,700 | 00:19:52,540 | for God's sakes, and said, let's give it to the children. | for God's sakes, and said, let's give it to the children. |
354 | 00:19:52,540 | 00:19:54,780 | I mean, dear God, would you give an 11-year-old a Valium?! | I mean, dear God, would you give an 11-year-old a Valium?! |
355 | 00:19:56,140 | 00:19:59,380 | I, for some reason, left the castle | I, for some reason, left the castle |
356 | 00:19:59,380 | 00:20:01,220 | and ran down to the beach, | and ran down to the beach, |
357 | 00:20:01,220 | 00:20:03,500 | which wasn't helpful at all, | which wasn't helpful at all, |
358 | 00:20:03,500 | 00:20:06,140 | and incredibly inconsiderate of me, now I look back. | and incredibly inconsiderate of me, now I look back. |
359 | 00:20:06,140 | 00:20:08,620 | I remember sitting on the rocks | I remember sitting on the rocks |
360 | 00:20:08,620 | 00:20:10,620 | down at the beach, in my mind, | down at the beach, in my mind, |
361 | 00:20:10,620 | 00:20:13,260 | going over - 27th of August, 27th of August. | going over - 27th of August, 27th of August. |
362 | 00:20:13,260 | 00:20:15,740 | And I kept saying, 1979, I'll never forget this date. | And I kept saying, 1979, I'll never forget this date. |
363 | 00:20:15,740 | 00:20:18,060 | And I don't. I don't. | And I don't. I don't. |
364 | 00:20:18,060 | 00:20:21,780 | VOICE BREAKING: Every year, that date comes round and we remember it. | VOICE BREAKING: Every year, that date comes round and we remember it. |
365 | 00:20:21,780 | 00:20:25,820 | Um... And, erm... And, er... | Um... And, erm... And, er... |
366 | 00:20:25,820 | 00:20:29,660 | And it was just such an incredibly beautiful day. | And it was just such an incredibly beautiful day. |
367 | 00:20:29,660 | 00:20:33,140 | And on the rocks, this incredible view. | And on the rocks, this incredible view. |
368 | 00:20:33,140 | 00:20:36,220 | And yet, you know, destruction. | And yet, you know, destruction. |
369 | 00:20:36,220 | 00:20:37,820 | I'm so sorry, I don't... | I'm so sorry, I don't... |
370 | 00:20:37,820 | 00:20:39,940 | I don't normally get upset. | I don't normally get upset. |
371 | 00:20:41,060 | 00:20:42,580 | SHE CHUCKLES | SHE CHUCKLES |
372 | 00:20:47,940 | 00:20:49,660 | I remember it very vividly, | I remember it very vividly, |
373 | 00:20:49,660 | 00:20:51,180 | every moment of it, really. | every moment of it, really. |
374 | 00:20:51,180 | 00:20:52,660 | From the very start | From the very start |
375 | 00:20:52,660 | 00:20:55,620 | to the very end of the day. And I think I'll always remember it. | to the very end of the day. And I think I'll always remember it. |
376 | 00:20:59,460 | 00:21:02,180 | Lord Mountbatten's boat had exploded. | Lord Mountbatten's boat had exploded. |
377 | 00:21:02,180 | 00:21:05,260 | So, immediately, I got two friends | So, immediately, I got two friends |
378 | 00:21:05,260 | 00:21:08,500 | and we went out on the boat to see what we could do. | and we went out on the boat to see what we could do. |
379 | 00:21:08,500 | 00:21:12,060 | And, erm, we arrived there and there was other boats | And, erm, we arrived there and there was other boats |
380 | 00:21:12,060 | 00:21:14,620 | that were in the near vicinity, they were already... | that were in the near vicinity, they were already... |
381 | 00:21:14,620 | 00:21:16,180 | lifting the survivors. | lifting the survivors. |
382 | 00:21:24,660 | 00:21:27,900 | I think when we actually took him from the boat | I think when we actually took him from the boat |
383 | 00:21:27,900 | 00:21:31,260 | that he'd been brought ashore in and brought him to the ambulance. | that he'd been brought ashore in and brought him to the ambulance. |
384 | 00:21:31,260 | 00:21:33,500 | That's the first that I realised that | That's the first that I realised that |
385 | 00:21:33,500 | 00:21:37,140 | he had actually been one of the fatalities. He was one of the first | he had actually been one of the fatalities. He was one of the first |
386 | 00:21:37,140 | 00:21:38,780 | that was actually taken ashore. | that was actually taken ashore. |
387 | 00:21:44,580 | 00:21:47,500 | It was a perfectly ordinary day, that August Bank Holiday. | It was a perfectly ordinary day, that August Bank Holiday. |
388 | 00:21:47,500 | 00:21:48,940 | I was helping to put together | I was helping to put together |
389 | 00:21:48,940 | 00:21:51,180 | the lunchtime bulletin for Radio Ulster. | the lunchtime bulletin for Radio Ulster. |
390 | 00:21:51,180 | 00:21:54,980 | Nicholas Witchell was a trainee reporter at the time, | Nicholas Witchell was a trainee reporter at the time, |
391 | 00:21:54,980 | 00:21:58,060 | in the BBC newsroom in Belfast. | in the BBC newsroom in Belfast. |
392 | 00:21:58,060 | 00:22:00,500 | We received a tip-off from somebody we knew, | We received a tip-off from somebody we knew, |
393 | 00:22:00,500 | 00:22:02,180 | suggesting that there had been | suggesting that there had been |
394 | 00:22:02,180 | 00:22:04,580 | an explosion reported at Mullaghmore, | an explosion reported at Mullaghmore, |
395 | 00:22:04,580 | 00:22:06,620 | in the Republic of Ireland. | in the Republic of Ireland. |
396 | 00:22:06,620 | 00:22:11,140 | I do remember forming the words on my pad, "Mountbatten, dead". | I do remember forming the words on my pad, "Mountbatten, dead". |
397 | 00:22:14,700 | 00:22:18,380 | By now, all but one of the bodies of the boat party | By now, all but one of the bodies of the boat party |
398 | 00:22:18,380 | 00:22:20,020 | had been recovered. | had been recovered. |
399 | 00:22:20,020 | 00:22:22,820 | Lord Mountbatten and Paul Maxwell | Lord Mountbatten and Paul Maxwell |
400 | 00:22:22,820 | 00:22:24,860 | had been killed instantly. | had been killed instantly. |
401 | 00:22:24,860 | 00:22:28,740 | The 83-year-old dowager, fatally injured. | The 83-year-old dowager, fatally injured. |
402 | 00:22:28,740 | 00:22:32,620 | The parents of the twins were also seriously wounded, | The parents of the twins were also seriously wounded, |
403 | 00:22:32,620 | 00:22:35,860 | as was 14-year-old Timothy. | as was 14-year-old Timothy. |
404 | 00:22:35,860 | 00:22:38,900 | His twin brother, Nicholas, was still missing. | His twin brother, Nicholas, was still missing. |
405 | 00:22:44,980 | 00:22:47,060 | You could see this beautiful | You could see this beautiful |
406 | 00:22:47,060 | 00:22:48,860 | blue azure sea, just off to | blue azure sea, just off to |
407 | 00:22:48,860 | 00:22:53,140 | the north end of the little peninsula which Mullaghmore is. | the north end of the little peninsula which Mullaghmore is. |
408 | 00:22:54,780 | 00:22:58,060 | We could see a lot of debris. | We could see a lot of debris. |
409 | 00:22:58,060 | 00:23:00,900 | Splinters of wood. It was fine debris. | Splinters of wood. It was fine debris. |
410 | 00:23:00,900 | 00:23:02,620 | Quite fine debris, it was. | Quite fine debris, it was. |
411 | 00:23:07,740 | 00:23:10,220 | I was winched from the rescue helicopter... | I was winched from the rescue helicopter... |
412 | 00:23:12,580 | 00:23:14,660 | ..and I was placed into the water, | ..and I was placed into the water, |
413 | 00:23:14,660 | 00:23:18,100 | beside what looked like the bubble of an anorak. | beside what looked like the bubble of an anorak. |
414 | 00:23:20,740 | 00:23:23,380 | I placed my hand and pulled it, | I placed my hand and pulled it, |
415 | 00:23:23,380 | 00:23:25,580 | and it didn't yield very easily. | and it didn't yield very easily. |
416 | 00:23:25,580 | 00:23:27,220 | And I pulled it a second time, | And I pulled it a second time, |
417 | 00:23:27,220 | 00:23:30,900 | and it was then the head came up with the jacket as I pulled, | and it was then the head came up with the jacket as I pulled, |
418 | 00:23:30,900 | 00:23:33,180 | and I realised it was a child. | and I realised it was a child. |
419 | 00:23:36,460 | 00:23:38,220 | Imagine what those | Imagine what those |
420 | 00:23:38,220 | 00:23:41,100 | thick Aran sweaters must have felt like, | thick Aran sweaters must have felt like, |
421 | 00:23:41,100 | 00:23:46,540 | clogged with oil and water, being lifted out of the ocean. | clogged with oil and water, being lifted out of the ocean. |
422 | 00:23:46,540 | 00:23:51,700 | You know, how long had Nick been floating in the water, you know? | You know, how long had Nick been floating in the water, you know? |
423 | 00:23:53,460 | 00:23:55,260 | It was the first child | It was the first child |
424 | 00:23:55,260 | 00:23:57,500 | that I handled in death. | that I handled in death. |
425 | 00:23:57,500 | 00:24:00,100 | It came as a terrible shock to me, I can tell you, | It came as a terrible shock to me, I can tell you, |
426 | 00:24:00,100 | 00:24:02,340 | but I'm in rescue mode. | but I'm in rescue mode. |
427 | 00:24:02,340 | 00:24:04,420 | I need to get him out of that water. | I need to get him out of that water. |
428 | 00:24:04,420 | 00:24:07,460 | I need to give him over to his family. | I need to give him over to his family. |
429 | 00:24:08,620 | 00:24:11,300 | 14-year-old Nicholas Knatchbull's body | 14-year-old Nicholas Knatchbull's body |
430 | 00:24:11,300 | 00:24:13,820 | was returned to Mullaghmore Harbour. | was returned to Mullaghmore Harbour. |
431 | 00:24:16,020 | 00:24:19,100 | It's the last photograph we have of Paul. | It's the last photograph we have of Paul. |
432 | 00:24:19,100 | 00:24:20,460 | That's Paul. | That's Paul. |
433 | 00:24:21,460 | 00:24:23,500 | And that is... | And that is... |
434 | 00:24:23,500 | 00:24:27,100 | Nicky and Timmy. | Nicky and Timmy. |
435 | 00:24:27,100 | 00:24:28,500 | So, one boy survived, | So, one boy survived, |
436 | 00:24:28,500 | 00:24:30,220 | and the other two were killed? | and the other two were killed? |
437 | 00:24:30,220 | 00:24:35,060 | He survived because he was up on the roof. | He survived because he was up on the roof. |
438 | 00:24:36,740 | 00:24:40,580 | Mountbatten was in the middle, between | Mountbatten was in the middle, between |
439 | 00:24:40,580 | 00:24:43,820 | Paul and Nicky. | Paul and Nicky. |
440 | 00:24:43,820 | 00:24:46,660 | And so, they got the full blast. | And so, they got the full blast. |
441 | 00:24:55,820 | 00:24:58,460 | Later that afternoon, I had a phone call from | Later that afternoon, I had a phone call from |
442 | 00:24:58,460 | 00:24:59,940 | a contact I knew within | a contact I knew within |
443 | 00:24:59,940 | 00:25:02,380 | the Republican movement, who asked, | the Republican movement, who asked, |
444 | 00:25:02,380 | 00:25:06,980 | most unusually, to drive up to the Falls Road to meet him. | most unusually, to drive up to the Falls Road to meet him. |
445 | 00:25:06,980 | 00:25:09,940 | Opened the door, he got into the car, | Opened the door, he got into the car, |
446 | 00:25:09,940 | 00:25:12,060 | sat down beside me, we drove on. | sat down beside me, we drove on. |
447 | 00:25:12,060 | 00:25:14,220 | Then he reached into his mouth... | Then he reached into his mouth... |
448 | 00:25:15,100 | 00:25:16,500 | ..like that, | ..like that, |
449 | 00:25:16,500 | 00:25:19,340 | and drew out a small scrap of paper, | and drew out a small scrap of paper, |
450 | 00:25:19,340 | 00:25:23,260 | which was wrapped up in clingfilm, | which was wrapped up in clingfilm, |
451 | 00:25:23,260 | 00:25:25,860 | unwrapped it, and this was the... | unwrapped it, and this was the... |
452 | 00:25:25,860 | 00:25:28,540 | a telexed message which contained | a telexed message which contained |
453 | 00:25:28,540 | 00:25:31,300 | the IRA claim of responsibility for, as they put it, | the IRA claim of responsibility for, as they put it, |
454 | 00:25:31,300 | 00:25:33,980 | the execution of Lord Mountbatten. | the execution of Lord Mountbatten. |
455 | 00:25:38,660 | 00:25:40,900 | The choice of the word "execution" is very deliberate. | The choice of the word "execution" is very deliberate. |
456 | 00:25:42,260 | 00:25:45,180 | It is an attempt to imply that there was some kind of a justification. | It is an attempt to imply that there was some kind of a justification. |
457 | 00:25:45,180 | 00:25:48,620 | I mean, execution implies a judicial process. | I mean, execution implies a judicial process. |
458 | 00:25:48,620 | 00:25:50,860 | Clearly, you know, absolutely inappropriate. | Clearly, you know, absolutely inappropriate. |
459 | 00:25:50,860 | 00:25:55,100 | By killing Mountbatten, you sent ripples | By killing Mountbatten, you sent ripples |
460 | 00:25:55,100 | 00:25:58,020 | around the world, in a way which probably, | around the world, in a way which probably, |
461 | 00:25:58,020 | 00:26:02,020 | no other assassination could have achieved. | no other assassination could have achieved. |
462 | 00:26:04,140 | 00:26:06,580 | While people were still reeling from the news that | While people were still reeling from the news that |
463 | 00:26:06,580 | 00:26:07,820 | a member of the royal family | a member of the royal family |
464 | 00:26:07,820 | 00:26:09,540 | had been killed at Mullaghmore, | had been killed at Mullaghmore, |
465 | 00:26:09,540 | 00:26:14,740 | the IRA's operations that day were not yet over. | the IRA's operations that day were not yet over. |
466 | 00:26:16,260 | 00:26:19,260 | Now, the British Army was in their sights. | Now, the British Army was in their sights. |
467 | 00:26:20,700 | 00:26:22,420 | Later that afternoon, | Later that afternoon, |
468 | 00:26:22,420 | 00:26:24,540 | over 100 miles away, members from | over 100 miles away, members from |
469 | 00:26:24,540 | 00:26:26,820 | another South Armagh unit were | another South Armagh unit were |
470 | 00:26:26,820 | 00:26:29,220 | lying in wait by the Newry River, | lying in wait by the Newry River, |
471 | 00:26:29,220 | 00:26:30,660 | on the southern side of | on the southern side of |
472 | 00:26:30,660 | 00:26:33,100 | the Irish border. They were hoping | the Irish border. They were hoping |
473 | 00:26:33,100 | 00:26:35,300 | to blow up a British Army convoy, | to blow up a British Army convoy, |
474 | 00:26:35,300 | 00:26:36,940 | travelling along the road from | travelling along the road from |
475 | 00:26:36,940 | 00:26:38,780 | Warrenpoint, across the river, | Warrenpoint, across the river, |
476 | 00:26:38,780 | 00:26:41,060 | in Northern Ireland, by detonating | in Northern Ireland, by detonating |
477 | 00:26:41,060 | 00:26:42,940 | two radio-controlled bombs | two radio-controlled bombs |
478 | 00:26:42,940 | 00:26:45,100 | that they'd planted earlier. | that they'd planted earlier. |
479 | 00:26:45,100 | 00:26:47,380 | One - a 700-pound device hidden | One - a 700-pound device hidden |
480 | 00:26:47,380 | 00:26:49,980 | in a lorry piled high with straw - | in a lorry piled high with straw - |
481 | 00:26:49,980 | 00:26:52,660 | was parked in a lay-by. The other - | was parked in a lay-by. The other - |
482 | 00:26:52,660 | 00:26:55,020 | £1,000-worth of explosive - | £1,000-worth of explosive - |
483 | 00:26:55,020 | 00:26:57,260 | hidden in a nearby gate lodge. | hidden in a nearby gate lodge. |
484 | 00:27:02,340 | 00:27:04,180 | So, I went down. I remember | So, I went down. I remember |
485 | 00:27:04,180 | 00:27:07,020 | messing about with a car behind us. | messing about with a car behind us. |
486 | 00:27:07,020 | 00:27:10,860 | Tom Caughey was a local boy from Newtownards, | Tom Caughey was a local boy from Newtownards, |
487 | 00:27:10,860 | 00:27:13,940 | who had joined the Parachute Regiment at 18, | who had joined the Parachute Regiment at 18, |
488 | 00:27:13,940 | 00:27:16,300 | as his father had before him. | as his father had before him. |
489 | 00:27:16,300 | 00:27:18,220 | That day, he was a passenger | That day, he was a passenger |
490 | 00:27:18,220 | 00:27:21,020 | in the lead vehicle of the two-truck convoy. | in the lead vehicle of the two-truck convoy. |
491 | 00:27:22,980 | 00:27:24,700 | We had a packed lunch, | We had a packed lunch, |
492 | 00:27:24,700 | 00:27:27,580 | and we'd oranges, and we made little teeth out of the orange, you know. | and we'd oranges, and we made little teeth out of the orange, you know. |
493 | 00:27:27,580 | 00:27:29,740 | And there was a car with... | And there was a car with... |
494 | 00:27:29,740 | 00:27:31,580 | a lady and kids in it. | a lady and kids in it. |
495 | 00:27:32,620 | 00:27:36,140 | We were smiling at them, you know, that type of banter. | We were smiling at them, you know, that type of banter. |
496 | 00:27:37,140 | 00:27:38,700 | Ten minutes later, we were blown up. | Ten minutes later, we were blown up. |
497 | 00:27:38,700 | 00:27:40,540 | EXPLOSION | EXPLOSION |
498 | 00:27:40,540 | 00:27:44,380 | BLEEPING | BLEEPING |
499 | 00:27:44,380 | 00:27:46,220 | Not a bang, just a rumble. | Not a bang, just a rumble. |
500 | 00:27:46,220 | 00:27:49,460 | And I had the sensation of flying. | And I had the sensation of flying. |
501 | 00:27:51,140 | 00:27:54,940 | Coming... Not even coming to, just... | Coming... Not even coming to, just... |
502 | 00:27:54,940 | 00:27:58,780 | looking about, sitting there, and everything's just a mess. | looking about, sitting there, and everything's just a mess. |
503 | 00:28:02,260 | 00:28:04,700 | I came into the roundabout | I came into the roundabout |
504 | 00:28:04,700 | 00:28:07,460 | and you couldn't see past the roundabout. | and you couldn't see past the roundabout. |
505 | 00:28:07,460 | 00:28:09,220 | Totally obscured with smoke. | Totally obscured with smoke. |
506 | 00:28:10,620 | 00:28:14,020 | Peter Maloy was a freelance photographer at the time, | Peter Maloy was a freelance photographer at the time, |
507 | 00:28:14,020 | 00:28:17,460 | who just happened to be passing. | who just happened to be passing. |
508 | 00:28:17,460 | 00:28:20,740 | I got out, grabbed the cameras, | I got out, grabbed the cameras, |
509 | 00:28:20,740 | 00:28:23,580 | and just as I'm going into it, a policeman's coming running out | and just as I'm going into it, a policeman's coming running out |
510 | 00:28:23,580 | 00:28:26,860 | and he's screaming. He says, | and he's screaming. He says, |
511 | 00:28:26,860 | 00:28:28,940 | "Don't go in there, they're all dead." | "Don't go in there, they're all dead." |
512 | 00:28:28,940 | 00:28:32,140 | I just put the camera into autofocus | I just put the camera into autofocus |
513 | 00:28:32,140 | 00:28:35,060 | and I just shot generally. | and I just shot generally. |
514 | 00:28:38,780 | 00:28:42,500 | The first thing I saw was a long wheelbased jeep, | The first thing I saw was a long wheelbased jeep, |
515 | 00:28:42,500 | 00:28:45,020 | and there were soldiers in that, and... | and there were soldiers in that, and... |
516 | 00:28:45,020 | 00:28:49,500 | one look told you they were obviously dead. And the heat, | one look told you they were obviously dead. And the heat, |
517 | 00:28:49,500 | 00:28:51,860 | you couldn't really go too close to it. | you couldn't really go too close to it. |
518 | 00:28:53,220 | 00:28:54,700 | Everything was burning. | Everything was burning. |
519 | 00:28:54,700 | 00:28:56,820 | And my legs were on fire. | And my legs were on fire. |
520 | 00:28:56,820 | 00:28:58,700 | No, I couldn't move. | No, I couldn't move. |
521 | 00:28:58,700 | 00:28:59,940 | And the next thing, | And the next thing, |
522 | 00:28:59,940 | 00:29:01,780 | the guys were on me. | the guys were on me. |
523 | 00:29:01,780 | 00:29:05,060 | They were pouring water, you know, trying to put me out. | They were pouring water, you know, trying to put me out. |
524 | 00:29:05,060 | 00:29:08,300 | And one of the guys, er, | And one of the guys, er, |
525 | 00:29:08,300 | 00:29:11,980 | give me his red beret to put over my face, | give me his red beret to put over my face, |
526 | 00:29:11,980 | 00:29:14,180 | to keep the sun off it. | to keep the sun off it. |
527 | 00:29:14,180 | 00:29:17,620 | And I can remember lying there and... | And I can remember lying there and... |
528 | 00:29:17,620 | 00:29:19,060 | voices... | voices... |
529 | 00:29:20,260 | 00:29:23,500 | Dead. He's dead. He's dead. They're dead, they're dead, they're dead. | Dead. He's dead. He's dead. They're dead, they're dead, they're dead. |
530 | 00:29:23,500 | 00:29:26,340 | And voices getting closer to me. | And voices getting closer to me. |
531 | 00:29:26,340 | 00:29:29,940 | And whether I imagined this, I don't know, | And whether I imagined this, I don't know, |
532 | 00:29:29,940 | 00:29:35,140 | but I vividly remember it. I remember saying, "I'm not dead." | but I vividly remember it. I remember saying, "I'm not dead." |
533 | 00:29:35,140 | 00:29:37,540 | You know, and taking the beret off, you know? | You know, and taking the beret off, you know? |
534 | 00:29:37,540 | 00:29:39,180 | It was like a roll call of the dead. | It was like a roll call of the dead. |
535 | 00:29:43,220 | 00:29:46,060 | Seven of the nine Paras travelling | Seven of the nine Paras travelling |
536 | 00:29:46,060 | 00:29:48,500 | in the first truck had been killed. | in the first truck had been killed. |
537 | 00:29:48,500 | 00:29:51,540 | Tom Caughey, along with his friend, | Tom Caughey, along with his friend, |
538 | 00:29:51,540 | 00:29:53,740 | Paul Burns, were the only survivors. | Paul Burns, were the only survivors. |
539 | 00:29:53,740 | 00:29:57,220 | But the carnage didn't end there. | But the carnage didn't end there. |
540 | 00:30:00,860 | 00:30:03,380 | A very fine English voice shouted, | A very fine English voice shouted, |
541 | 00:30:03,380 | 00:30:06,860 | "There could be a second bomb! Take hard cover!" | "There could be a second bomb! Take hard cover!" |
542 | 00:30:08,820 | 00:30:11,780 | And they all went over | And they all went over |
543 | 00:30:11,780 | 00:30:13,740 | towards the gate lodge. | towards the gate lodge. |
544 | 00:30:13,740 | 00:30:16,700 | Across the river, the IRA bombers | Across the river, the IRA bombers |
545 | 00:30:16,700 | 00:30:18,380 | were lying in wait, | were lying in wait, |
546 | 00:30:18,380 | 00:30:21,420 | ready to detonate the second bomb. | ready to detonate the second bomb. |
547 | 00:30:21,420 | 00:30:23,060 | They'd predicted correctly | They'd predicted correctly |
548 | 00:30:23,060 | 00:30:24,740 | where the surviving British troops | where the surviving British troops |
549 | 00:30:24,740 | 00:30:26,700 | were likely to regroup. | were likely to regroup. |
550 | 00:30:27,980 | 00:30:29,540 | I remember getting put in a chopper, | I remember getting put in a chopper, |
551 | 00:30:29,540 | 00:30:32,980 | and Paul Burns being put in. | and Paul Burns being put in. |
552 | 00:30:32,980 | 00:30:34,860 | I remember the look on his face, and he was like | I remember the look on his face, and he was like |
553 | 00:30:34,860 | 00:30:36,980 | something out of Tom and Jerry. | something out of Tom and Jerry. |
554 | 00:30:36,980 | 00:30:40,540 | When the cigar goes off in your mouth and your face is black. | When the cigar goes off in your mouth and your face is black. |
555 | 00:30:40,540 | 00:30:43,300 | And we'd all little... | And we'd all little... |
556 | 00:30:43,300 | 00:30:45,780 | He was like a strawman. You know... | He was like a strawman. You know... |
557 | 00:30:45,780 | 00:30:48,540 | Bits of straw stuck in his face. | Bits of straw stuck in his face. |
558 | 00:30:48,540 | 00:30:50,220 | And then... | And then... |
559 | 00:30:50,220 | 00:30:52,980 | Boof! Bang, it goes again. | Boof! Bang, it goes again. |
560 | 00:30:52,980 | 00:30:54,420 | Boom! | Boom! |
561 | 00:31:00,300 | 00:31:01,820 | I was thrown back | I was thrown back |
562 | 00:31:01,820 | 00:31:05,660 | and I got up again | and I got up again |
563 | 00:31:05,660 | 00:31:08,100 | and it was over. | and it was over. |
564 | 00:31:08,100 | 00:31:09,500 | Basically, it was over. | Basically, it was over. |
565 | 00:31:14,020 | 00:31:18,660 | August 27th had started badly for Mike Jackson. | August 27th had started badly for Mike Jackson. |
566 | 00:31:19,980 | 00:31:22,180 | The news came through of | The news came through of |
567 | 00:31:22,180 | 00:31:24,620 | the Mullaghmore bombing | the Mullaghmore bombing |
568 | 00:31:24,620 | 00:31:29,340 | and the death of Earl Mountbatten, amongst others, | and the death of Earl Mountbatten, amongst others, |
569 | 00:31:29,340 | 00:31:31,660 | which was obviously very shocking. | which was obviously very shocking. |
570 | 00:31:32,740 | 00:31:36,380 | Now, as the news broke that his fellow Paras had been ambushed | Now, as the news broke that his fellow Paras had been ambushed |
571 | 00:31:36,380 | 00:31:38,180 | at Warrenpoint, Jackson himself | at Warrenpoint, Jackson himself |
572 | 00:31:38,180 | 00:31:41,020 | was called into action. | was called into action. |
573 | 00:31:42,660 | 00:31:45,780 | The Brigade Commander looked at me and said, | The Brigade Commander looked at me and said, |
574 | 00:31:45,780 | 00:31:47,380 | "Mike, what are you doing here? | "Mike, what are you doing here? |
575 | 00:31:47,380 | 00:31:50,020 | You go down to the site and secure it, | You go down to the site and secure it, |
576 | 00:31:50,020 | 00:31:52,860 | and take on all the aftermath." | and take on all the aftermath." |
577 | 00:31:52,860 | 00:31:55,220 | So, I gave out some rapid orders, | So, I gave out some rapid orders, |
578 | 00:31:55,220 | 00:31:57,580 | um, and... | um, and... |
579 | 00:31:57,580 | 00:31:59,700 | got on the first light helicopter | got on the first light helicopter |
580 | 00:31:59,700 | 00:32:01,140 | I could. | I could. |
581 | 00:32:02,820 | 00:32:04,380 | There's no communication, | There's no communication, |
582 | 00:32:04,380 | 00:32:06,020 | all telephones are cut off, | all telephones are cut off, |
583 | 00:32:06,020 | 00:32:10,500 | so you're waiting for word to come back from your own... | so you're waiting for word to come back from your own... |
584 | 00:32:10,500 | 00:32:14,140 | from your own lads to what actually is going on. | from your own lads to what actually is going on. |
585 | 00:32:14,140 | 00:32:18,020 | Is there a bit of you thinking, that's my mates? Yes. | Is there a bit of you thinking, that's my mates? Yes. |
586 | 00:32:18,020 | 00:32:21,100 | Absolutely. And you want to know who it was, because you know that | Absolutely. And you want to know who it was, because you know that |
587 | 00:32:21,100 | 00:32:23,100 | some of your mates were being killed, were killed. | some of your mates were being killed, were killed. |
588 | 00:32:23,100 | 00:32:24,980 | So, yes, you did want to know. | So, yes, you did want to know. |
589 | 00:32:24,980 | 00:32:31,060 | Dead. | Dead. |
590 | 00:32:31,060 | 00:32:33,860 | Dead. Dead. Dead. | Dead. Dead. Dead. |
591 | 00:32:38,460 | 00:32:40,540 | A further 11 British soldiers | A further 11 British soldiers |
592 | 00:32:40,540 | 00:32:41,780 | had been killed in | had been killed in |
593 | 00:32:41,780 | 00:32:43,180 | the second explosion. | the second explosion. |
594 | 00:32:48,500 | 00:32:51,140 | I get to Warrenpoint | I get to Warrenpoint |
595 | 00:32:51,140 | 00:32:54,380 | and, um, it's a pretty grim site, | and, um, it's a pretty grim site, |
596 | 00:32:54,380 | 00:32:55,980 | as you can imagine. | as you can imagine. |
597 | 00:32:59,420 | 00:33:01,060 | There were body parts, um, | There were body parts, um, |
598 | 00:33:01,060 | 00:33:03,580 | pretty much everywhere. | pretty much everywhere. |
599 | 00:33:03,580 | 00:33:05,980 | In the trees, everywhere. | In the trees, everywhere. |
600 | 00:33:05,980 | 00:33:09,380 | Um, and, er... | Um, and, er... |
601 | 00:33:09,380 | 00:33:12,100 | those who had survived, | those who had survived, |
602 | 00:33:12,100 | 00:33:14,460 | um, were in shock. | um, were in shock. |
603 | 00:33:19,620 | 00:33:21,460 | It was absolutely obvious, | It was absolutely obvious, |
604 | 00:33:21,460 | 00:33:23,780 | right from the earliest point, | right from the earliest point, |
605 | 00:33:23,780 | 00:33:25,220 | that this was | that this was |
606 | 00:33:25,220 | 00:33:28,820 | a death toll on an exceptional scale. | a death toll on an exceptional scale. |
607 | 00:33:30,140 | 00:33:32,420 | It transpired, of course, that 18 soldiers | It transpired, of course, that 18 soldiers |
608 | 00:33:32,420 | 00:33:34,980 | had lost their lives - the greatest single loss of life | had lost their lives - the greatest single loss of life |
609 | 00:33:34,980 | 00:33:37,180 | that the British Army had suffered | that the British Army had suffered |
610 | 00:33:37,180 | 00:33:38,340 | in Northern Ireland. | in Northern Ireland. |
611 | 00:33:48,540 | 00:33:50,820 | Theirs were not the only lives lost | Theirs were not the only lives lost |
612 | 00:33:50,820 | 00:33:53,140 | that afternoon at Warrenpoint. | that afternoon at Warrenpoint. |
613 | 00:33:53,140 | 00:33:55,900 | Barry Hudson had been getting ready to go to work | Barry Hudson had been getting ready to go to work |
614 | 00:33:55,900 | 00:33:59,140 | at the family's funfair business in Omeath, | at the family's funfair business in Omeath, |
615 | 00:33:59,140 | 00:34:01,820 | on the southern side of the border. | on the southern side of the border. |
616 | 00:34:01,820 | 00:34:03,980 | He had been joined that summer | He had been joined that summer |
617 | 00:34:03,980 | 00:34:07,100 | by his 29-year-old cousin from England, Bill. | by his 29-year-old cousin from England, Bill. |
618 | 00:34:08,340 | 00:34:10,860 | All of a sudden, we heard this... | All of a sudden, we heard this... |
619 | 00:34:10,860 | 00:34:18,100 | thump, right? And, erm, I remember Bill saying, "Oh, what was that?" | thump, right? And, erm, I remember Bill saying, "Oh, what was that?" |
620 | 00:34:18,100 | 00:34:20,300 | And I said, "It sounded like a bomb." | And I said, "It sounded like a bomb." |
621 | 00:34:20,300 | 00:34:23,460 | He said to me, "Could you bring me down? Let me have a look." | He said to me, "Could you bring me down? Let me have a look." |
622 | 00:34:26,980 | 00:34:30,260 | In the mayhem following the two bomb blasts, | In the mayhem following the two bomb blasts, |
623 | 00:34:30,260 | 00:34:33,020 | the surviving Paras spotted the figures of Barry | the surviving Paras spotted the figures of Barry |
624 | 00:34:33,020 | 00:34:36,580 | and his cousin, Bill, on the other side of the river, | and his cousin, Bill, on the other side of the river, |
625 | 00:34:36,580 | 00:34:39,580 | and wrongly imagined them to be | and wrongly imagined them to be |
626 | 00:34:39,580 | 00:34:40,980 | the IRA bombers. | the IRA bombers. |
627 | 00:34:48,140 | 00:34:50,300 | For a time, we could see the soldiers coming in, | For a time, we could see the soldiers coming in, |
628 | 00:34:50,300 | 00:34:54,220 | along the road there, in the jeeps. | along the road there, in the jeeps. |
629 | 00:34:54,220 | 00:34:57,460 | We could see their red berets and that, you know? And... | We could see their red berets and that, you know? And... |
630 | 00:34:59,460 | 00:35:02,700 | I heard the ground being struck. | I heard the ground being struck. |
631 | 00:35:02,700 | 00:35:06,020 | And then I felt my arm, like a stone hitting it. | And then I felt my arm, like a stone hitting it. |
632 | 00:35:06,020 | 00:35:09,020 | I thought it was something, a stone maybe, or whatever. | I thought it was something, a stone maybe, or whatever. |
633 | 00:35:09,020 | 00:35:11,500 | And it was bleeding. | And it was bleeding. |
634 | 00:35:11,500 | 00:35:13,180 | And then, there was more. | And then, there was more. |
635 | 00:35:14,140 | 00:35:16,740 | So... That's why I turned, | So... That's why I turned, |
636 | 00:35:16,740 | 00:35:19,900 | and Bill was standing over there, | and Bill was standing over there, |
637 | 00:35:19,900 | 00:35:21,700 | the car was just parked up there | the car was just parked up there |
638 | 00:35:21,700 | 00:35:24,900 | and he was standing to the right, we'll say. | and he was standing to the right, we'll say. |
639 | 00:35:24,900 | 00:35:29,340 | And I shouted at him then to get down. | And I shouted at him then to get down. |
640 | 00:35:29,340 | 00:35:34,300 | And then you could hear more guns and branches cracking and that. | And then you could hear more guns and branches cracking and that. |
641 | 00:35:34,300 | 00:35:36,140 | So, I ran...ran like hell... | So, I ran...ran like hell... |
642 | 00:35:36,140 | 00:35:38,380 | HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | HE CLEARS HIS THROAT |
643 | 00:35:38,380 | 00:35:41,020 | ..and zigzagged up that lane. | ..and zigzagged up that lane. |
644 | 00:35:42,860 | 00:35:44,220 | I've seen it in war films. | I've seen it in war films. |
645 | 00:35:44,220 | 00:35:47,220 | I always thought it was a load of baloney, really, | I always thought it was a load of baloney, really, |
646 | 00:35:47,220 | 00:35:49,460 | because you couldn't escape death, | because you couldn't escape death, |
647 | 00:35:49,460 | 00:35:51,500 | but I did. | but I did. |
648 | 00:35:55,780 | 00:35:58,780 | Then it all stopped. Dead quiet. | Then it all stopped. Dead quiet. |
649 | 00:36:03,980 | 00:36:05,980 | So, after about a minute or two, | So, after about a minute or two, |
650 | 00:36:05,980 | 00:36:09,300 | I thought my cousin should be coming up now. | I thought my cousin should be coming up now. |
651 | 00:36:09,300 | 00:36:11,220 | I just thought he'd get up | I just thought he'd get up |
652 | 00:36:11,220 | 00:36:13,020 | and come back up. | and come back up. |
653 | 00:36:13,020 | 00:36:17,820 | I looked around the corner and, um, | I looked around the corner and, um, |
654 | 00:36:17,820 | 00:36:20,860 | well, I've seen him lying on his back... | well, I've seen him lying on his back... |
655 | 00:36:22,060 | 00:36:24,620 | ..and, er... | ..and, er... |
656 | 00:36:24,620 | 00:36:30,060 | blood, a lot of blood. And, erm... | blood, a lot of blood. And, erm... |
657 | 00:36:31,700 | 00:36:33,940 | ..I, er... | ..I, er... |
658 | 00:36:33,940 | 00:36:35,780 | I ran down to the car. | I ran down to the car. |
659 | 00:36:38,580 | 00:36:40,780 | I knew when I'd seen him, | I knew when I'd seen him, |
660 | 00:36:40,780 | 00:36:44,500 | there's nothing anyone can do for him. | there's nothing anyone can do for him. |
661 | 00:36:46,500 | 00:36:48,180 | The lad that pulled the trigger, | The lad that pulled the trigger, |
662 | 00:36:48,180 | 00:36:52,860 | I'm sure he was shell-shocked. It didn't enter his head, | I'm sure he was shell-shocked. It didn't enter his head, |
663 | 00:36:52,860 | 00:36:56,540 | for one instant, you know, not to pull that trigger. | for one instant, you know, not to pull that trigger. |
664 | 00:36:56,540 | 00:37:00,140 | And, er, I think we would all have done the exact same thing | And, er, I think we would all have done the exact same thing |
665 | 00:37:00,140 | 00:37:02,140 | in that situation. | in that situation. |
666 | 00:37:03,700 | 00:37:06,140 | It was left to Barry to report | It was left to Barry to report |
667 | 00:37:06,140 | 00:37:09,180 | the tragic news to Bill's father. | the tragic news to Bill's father. |
668 | 00:37:09,180 | 00:37:12,100 | Ironically, Bill Senior worked in Buckingham Palace, | Ironically, Bill Senior worked in Buckingham Palace, |
669 | 00:37:12,100 | 00:37:15,820 | as one of the Queen's coachmen. | as one of the Queen's coachmen. |
670 | 00:37:15,820 | 00:37:17,820 | I said, "I've terrible news, Uncle." | I said, "I've terrible news, Uncle." |
671 | 00:37:17,820 | 00:37:20,500 | I said, "Bill's dead." | I said, "Bill's dead." |
672 | 00:37:20,500 | 00:37:23,500 | "Oh, dead? What happened? How is he dead?" | "Oh, dead? What happened? How is he dead?" |
673 | 00:37:23,500 | 00:37:25,820 | And I said, "He got shot." | And I said, "He got shot." |
674 | 00:37:25,820 | 00:37:28,020 | He said, "How did he get shot?" | He said, "How did he get shot?" |
675 | 00:37:29,660 | 00:37:32,420 | Terrible. Terrible, just... | Terrible. Terrible, just... |
676 | 00:37:34,300 | 00:37:37,940 | One of the worst moments in my life, actually. | One of the worst moments in my life, actually. |
677 | 00:37:37,940 | 00:37:41,260 | Something I wouldn't want anyone to have to do. | Something I wouldn't want anyone to have to do. |
678 | 00:37:44,900 | 00:37:46,860 | The Army later acknowledged | The Army later acknowledged |
679 | 00:37:46,860 | 00:37:51,580 | that Bill Hudson was an innocent civilian, mistakenly killed. | that Bill Hudson was an innocent civilian, mistakenly killed. |
680 | 00:37:57,020 | 00:37:59,580 | This multiple killing, the worst the security forces | This multiple killing, the worst the security forces |
681 | 00:37:59,580 | 00:38:01,740 | have ever suffered in Northern Ireland, | have ever suffered in Northern Ireland, |
682 | 00:38:01,740 | 00:38:04,180 | coming as it does after the Mountbatten tragedy, | coming as it does after the Mountbatten tragedy, |
683 | 00:38:04,180 | 00:38:07,980 | must serve to only further heighten tensions in Northern Ireland. | must serve to only further heighten tensions in Northern Ireland. |
684 | 00:38:10,060 | 00:38:13,300 | Word quickly spread of how meticulously planned | Word quickly spread of how meticulously planned |
685 | 00:38:13,300 | 00:38:17,420 | the IRA operation at Warrenpoint had been. | the IRA operation at Warrenpoint had been. |
686 | 00:38:17,420 | 00:38:21,340 | Anthony McIntyre was an IRA volunteer, locked up in | Anthony McIntyre was an IRA volunteer, locked up in |
687 | 00:38:21,340 | 00:38:23,780 | the Maze Prison at the time. | the Maze Prison at the time. |
688 | 00:38:23,780 | 00:38:25,260 | I thought it was impressive. | I thought it was impressive. |
689 | 00:38:25,260 | 00:38:27,300 | I thought it was ingenious. | I thought it was ingenious. |
690 | 00:38:27,300 | 00:38:30,700 | Because not only did they detonate the first device, | Because not only did they detonate the first device, |
691 | 00:38:30,700 | 00:38:34,020 | they had to wait until the British Army back-up arrived | they had to wait until the British Army back-up arrived |
692 | 00:38:34,020 | 00:38:36,060 | and position themselves behind the gateposts, | and position themselves behind the gateposts, |
693 | 00:38:36,060 | 00:38:37,660 | and then detonate the second one. | and then detonate the second one. |
694 | 00:38:37,660 | 00:38:39,660 | So, it took nerves of steel for the volunteers | So, it took nerves of steel for the volunteers |
695 | 00:38:39,660 | 00:38:41,620 | to sit there and do that. | to sit there and do that. |
696 | 00:38:43,500 | 00:38:46,420 | It was absolutely militarily fantastic, brilliant, | It was absolutely militarily fantastic, brilliant, |
697 | 00:38:46,420 | 00:38:48,620 | I don't want to say the word fantastic but, | I don't want to say the word fantastic but, |
698 | 00:38:48,620 | 00:38:51,460 | you know... But the big bonus that they had | you know... But the big bonus that they had |
699 | 00:38:51,460 | 00:38:53,500 | that they didn't normally have was... | that they didn't normally have was... |
700 | 00:38:53,500 | 00:38:56,860 | they were in a different country. They'd no need to run away. | they were in a different country. They'd no need to run away. |
701 | 00:38:56,860 | 00:38:58,980 | Yeah. They were in the South. They were in the South. | Yeah. They were in the South. They were in the South. |
702 | 00:38:58,980 | 00:39:01,540 | And that's why they could take their time. | And that's why they could take their time. |
703 | 00:39:02,660 | 00:39:05,140 | You take advantage when you can, and they did. | You take advantage when you can, and they did. |
704 | 00:39:14,020 | 00:39:16,460 | Will you please stand still? | Will you please stand still? |
705 | 00:39:16,460 | 00:39:18,660 | And I will move. | And I will move. |
706 | 00:39:18,660 | 00:39:20,620 | The attacks on Lord Mountbatten | The attacks on Lord Mountbatten |
707 | 00:39:20,620 | 00:39:24,780 | and the British soldiers made a deep impression on Mrs Thatcher, | and the British soldiers made a deep impression on Mrs Thatcher, |
708 | 00:39:24,780 | 00:39:27,060 | who had been Prime Minister for only four months. | who had been Prime Minister for only four months. |
709 | 00:39:28,580 | 00:39:31,660 | Within 36 hours, she landed in Northern Ireland | Within 36 hours, she landed in Northern Ireland |
710 | 00:39:31,660 | 00:39:33,660 | on an unscheduled visit, | on an unscheduled visit, |
711 | 00:39:33,660 | 00:39:35,740 | to investigate what had happened | to investigate what had happened |
712 | 00:39:35,740 | 00:39:37,980 | and to offer her reassurance. | and to offer her reassurance. |
713 | 00:39:37,980 | 00:39:39,820 | When she went to Northern Ireland, | When she went to Northern Ireland, |
714 | 00:39:39,820 | 00:39:41,820 | I remember the walkabout | I remember the walkabout |
715 | 00:39:41,820 | 00:39:44,900 | in the shopping mall, | in the shopping mall, |
716 | 00:39:44,900 | 00:39:48,620 | erm, which I thought was an extremely brave thing to do, | erm, which I thought was an extremely brave thing to do, |
717 | 00:39:48,620 | 00:39:51,700 | not because there was much risk of being shot in that environment, | not because there was much risk of being shot in that environment, |
718 | 00:39:51,700 | 00:39:54,460 | but simply because there would be a lot of people | but simply because there would be a lot of people |
719 | 00:39:54,460 | 00:39:56,860 | in the shopping mall who didn't like her very much. | in the shopping mall who didn't like her very much. |
720 | 00:40:04,380 | 00:40:07,060 | She was a very feminine person. | She was a very feminine person. |
721 | 00:40:07,060 | 00:40:10,580 | And it was like for a while, you just fell? Yes, basically... | And it was like for a while, you just fell? Yes, basically... |
722 | 00:40:10,580 | 00:40:12,700 | She was profoundly moved. | She was profoundly moved. |
723 | 00:40:12,700 | 00:40:14,500 | I broke my leg... | I broke my leg... |
724 | 00:40:14,500 | 00:40:18,820 | She didn't blub, but tears came to her eyes. | She didn't blub, but tears came to her eyes. |
725 | 00:40:18,820 | 00:40:21,140 | It could have been a lot worse... | It could have been a lot worse... |
726 | 00:40:21,140 | 00:40:23,060 | She only very rarely wept, | She only very rarely wept, |
727 | 00:40:23,060 | 00:40:26,140 | erm, to my knowledge, anyway. | erm, to my knowledge, anyway. |
728 | 00:40:26,140 | 00:40:30,660 | And when she did, there was good reason for it. | And when she did, there was good reason for it. |
729 | 00:40:32,900 | 00:40:35,260 | She's not everybody's cup of tea, I know that, | She's not everybody's cup of tea, I know that, |
730 | 00:40:35,260 | 00:40:40,340 | but she was able to relate, and they to her, to the soldiers. | but she was able to relate, and they to her, to the soldiers. |
731 | 00:40:42,180 | 00:40:46,420 | Boadicea. A very doughty lady. | Boadicea. A very doughty lady. |
732 | 00:40:51,500 | 00:40:53,340 | I think in terms of significance | I think in terms of significance |
733 | 00:40:53,340 | 00:40:55,380 | for Margaret Thatcher, | for Margaret Thatcher, |
734 | 00:40:55,380 | 00:40:59,660 | knowing as we do what we do about her personality, | knowing as we do what we do about her personality, |
735 | 00:40:59,660 | 00:41:04,220 | I'm sure that it actually made her even more determined to resist. | I'm sure that it actually made her even more determined to resist. |
736 | 00:41:09,780 | 00:41:11,420 | Mrs Thatcher's flying visit | Mrs Thatcher's flying visit |
737 | 00:41:11,420 | 00:41:13,300 | did not extend to the scene of | did not extend to the scene of |
738 | 00:41:13,300 | 00:41:16,100 | the Mountbatten bombing, over the border, | the Mountbatten bombing, over the border, |
739 | 00:41:16,100 | 00:41:18,940 | in the Republic of Ireland. | in the Republic of Ireland. |
740 | 00:41:18,940 | 00:41:23,220 | Here, too, the events of that day had made a huge impact. | Here, too, the events of that day had made a huge impact. |
741 | 00:41:23,220 | 00:41:25,380 | While it was recognised that the IRA | While it was recognised that the IRA |
742 | 00:41:25,380 | 00:41:29,700 | had pulled off two audacious military operations, | had pulled off two audacious military operations, |
743 | 00:41:29,700 | 00:41:33,700 | in PR terms, opinion was divided. | in PR terms, opinion was divided. |
744 | 00:41:35,380 | 00:41:38,300 | Almost everybody spoke with regret | Almost everybody spoke with regret |
745 | 00:41:38,300 | 00:41:40,020 | and shame about what had happened | and shame about what had happened |
746 | 00:41:40,020 | 00:41:42,300 | to Mountbatten. And that sense, | to Mountbatten. And that sense, |
747 | 00:41:42,300 | 00:41:45,700 | this is our territory, how dare they do this on our territory?! | this is our territory, how dare they do this on our territory?! |
748 | 00:41:47,980 | 00:41:49,820 | But there were a number of people, | But there were a number of people, |
749 | 00:41:49,820 | 00:41:52,860 | I won't say a majority, but there were a number of people | I won't say a majority, but there were a number of people |
750 | 00:41:52,860 | 00:41:55,460 | who said what happened to Mountbatten was wrong but, | who said what happened to Mountbatten was wrong but, |
751 | 00:41:55,460 | 00:41:59,180 | as far as the British soldiers are concerned, listen, | as far as the British soldiers are concerned, listen, |
752 | 00:41:59,180 | 00:42:02,460 | those that live by the sword die by the sword. | those that live by the sword die by the sword. |
753 | 00:42:05,780 | 00:42:10,060 | This feeling was reinforced by the fact that 16 of the 18 | This feeling was reinforced by the fact that 16 of the 18 |
754 | 00:42:10,060 | 00:42:15,220 | British soldiers killed at Warrenpoint were from the Paratroop Regiment. | British soldiers killed at Warrenpoint were from the Paratroop Regiment. |
755 | 00:42:15,220 | 00:42:19,540 | The Paras were deeply unpopular on both sides of the Irish border | The Paras were deeply unpopular on both sides of the Irish border |
756 | 00:42:19,540 | 00:42:22,580 | thanks to an infamous incident that had taken place | thanks to an infamous incident that had taken place |
757 | 00:42:22,580 | 00:42:24,940 | seven years earlier. | seven years earlier. |
758 | 00:42:24,940 | 00:42:26,900 | THEY SHOUT | THEY SHOUT |
759 | 00:42:28,420 | 00:42:33,820 | There is no other single incident in Northern Ireland that unites | There is no other single incident in Northern Ireland that unites |
760 | 00:42:33,820 | 00:42:38,060 | nationalists of all colour, north and south, like Bloody Sunday does. | nationalists of all colour, north and south, like Bloody Sunday does. |
761 | 00:42:38,060 | 00:42:40,220 | GUNSHOT | GUNSHOT |
762 | 00:42:40,220 | 00:42:44,860 | Because, to us, it was the deliberate killing | Because, to us, it was the deliberate killing |
763 | 00:42:44,860 | 00:42:48,100 | of peaceful protesters on a march in Derry. | of peaceful protesters on a march in Derry. |
764 | 00:42:48,100 | 00:42:49,940 | SCREAMS | SCREAMS |
765 | 00:42:51,380 | 00:42:53,860 | 13 civil rights protesters were killed | 13 civil rights protesters were killed |
766 | 00:42:53,860 | 00:42:56,580 | in what came to be known as Bloody Sunday. | in what came to be known as Bloody Sunday. |
767 | 00:42:56,580 | 00:42:58,780 | GUNSHOT | GUNSHOT |
768 | 00:42:58,780 | 00:43:05,220 | Here was the British Army turning its guns | Here was the British Army turning its guns |
769 | 00:43:05,220 | 00:43:08,420 | on the people it called its own citizens. | on the people it called its own citizens. |
770 | 00:43:13,020 | 00:43:15,500 | And the soldiers responsible for Bloody Sunday... | And the soldiers responsible for Bloody Sunday... |
771 | 00:43:15,500 | 00:43:18,060 | Were the Paratroopers. | Were the Paratroopers. |
772 | 00:43:20,700 | 00:43:26,940 | So, there was a particular feeling of general dislike | So, there was a particular feeling of general dislike |
773 | 00:43:26,940 | 00:43:29,020 | towards the Paratroopers. | towards the Paratroopers. |
774 | 00:43:30,380 | 00:43:35,140 | This dislike was felt particularly strongly by the IRA volunteers | This dislike was felt particularly strongly by the IRA volunteers |
775 | 00:43:35,140 | 00:43:38,100 | locked up in the Maze Prison at the time. | locked up in the Maze Prison at the time. |
776 | 00:43:39,300 | 00:43:42,380 | And how do you characterise the reaction of you and your fellow | And how do you characterise the reaction of you and your fellow |
777 | 00:43:42,380 | 00:43:45,380 | prisoners to hearing about the Warrenpoint news? | prisoners to hearing about the Warrenpoint news? |
778 | 00:43:45,380 | 00:43:48,420 | Exuberance, exhilaration. | Exuberance, exhilaration. |
779 | 00:43:48,420 | 00:43:50,900 | All our Christmases had come at once and come early. | All our Christmases had come at once and come early. |
780 | 00:43:52,300 | 00:43:54,380 | The IRA couldn't believe their luck. | The IRA couldn't believe their luck. |
781 | 00:43:54,380 | 00:43:57,900 | For the nationalist population, we were monsters. | For the nationalist population, we were monsters. |
782 | 00:44:00,420 | 00:44:04,860 | We were quite ruthless, quite callous, quite indifferent | We were quite ruthless, quite callous, quite indifferent |
783 | 00:44:04,860 | 00:44:10,540 | to the suffering of the relatives and found the Parachute Regiment, | to the suffering of the relatives and found the Parachute Regiment, |
784 | 00:44:10,540 | 00:44:12,900 | absolutely anathema. | absolutely anathema. |
785 | 00:44:12,900 | 00:44:16,660 | They were celebrating - of course they were. You know... | They were celebrating - of course they were. You know... |
786 | 00:44:18,300 | 00:44:21,180 | They had a good day. | They had a good day. |
787 | 00:44:21,180 | 00:44:25,220 | And doubly good in a sense with the memory for them, the memory of... | And doubly good in a sense with the memory for them, the memory of... |
788 | 00:44:25,220 | 00:44:27,220 | Bloody Sunday, yeah. Of course, yeah. | Bloody Sunday, yeah. Of course, yeah. |
789 | 00:44:27,220 | 00:44:30,780 | That's where the old saying came out, you know, | That's where the old saying came out, you know, |
790 | 00:44:30,780 | 00:44:35,140 | 13 dead, not forgotten, we got 18 and Mountbatten. | 13 dead, not forgotten, we got 18 and Mountbatten. |
791 | 00:44:36,340 | 00:44:38,860 | There's support for you. Very good. | There's support for you. Very good. |
792 | 00:44:45,940 | 00:44:48,940 | THE LAST POST | THE LAST POST |
793 | 00:45:00,980 | 00:45:03,180 | That funeral was extraordinary. | That funeral was extraordinary. |
794 | 00:45:03,180 | 00:45:06,460 | And I think my grandfather has masterminded every moment of it, | And I think my grandfather has masterminded every moment of it, |
795 | 00:45:06,460 | 00:45:10,060 | understandably, and it ran to perfection. | understandably, and it ran to perfection. |
796 | 00:45:11,540 | 00:45:15,580 | The whole family of Europe seems to be here. | The whole family of Europe seems to be here. |
797 | 00:45:15,580 | 00:45:19,500 | Lord Mountbatten's State funeral, the largest of its kind | Lord Mountbatten's State funeral, the largest of its kind |
798 | 00:45:19,500 | 00:45:23,420 | since Winston Churchill's, provided a vivid reminder | since Winston Churchill's, provided a vivid reminder |
799 | 00:45:23,420 | 00:45:27,780 | of the personal nature of the blow dealt to the Royal family. | of the personal nature of the blow dealt to the Royal family. |
800 | 00:45:32,660 | 00:45:39,140 | Two granddaughters and the girl that bears the name of India and... | Two granddaughters and the girl that bears the name of India and... |
801 | 00:45:39,140 | 00:45:42,860 | We know my grandfather's murder was a complete shock | We know my grandfather's murder was a complete shock |
802 | 00:45:42,860 | 00:45:48,100 | and very devastating to the Prince of Wales because he fulfilled a role, | and very devastating to the Prince of Wales because he fulfilled a role, |
803 | 00:45:48,100 | 00:45:50,100 | and that role was then taken away. | and that role was then taken away. |
804 | 00:45:50,100 | 00:45:53,260 | So I think he probably felt that more than most, | So I think he probably felt that more than most, |
805 | 00:45:53,260 | 00:45:57,860 | the loss, my grandfather's murder, and in such a brutal way. | the loss, my grandfather's murder, and in such a brutal way. |
806 | 00:45:59,620 | 00:46:02,460 | The murder horrified him and, | The murder horrified him and, |
807 | 00:46:02,460 | 00:46:05,260 | in a way, marked him for life. | in a way, marked him for life. |
808 | 00:46:05,260 | 00:46:10,020 | It left a sort of sense of uncertainty, if Mountbatten, | It left a sort of sense of uncertainty, if Mountbatten, |
809 | 00:46:10,020 | 00:46:16,020 | the invincible, the almighty, could be snuffed out like that, | the invincible, the almighty, could be snuffed out like that, |
810 | 00:46:16,020 | 00:46:18,500 | then what was left certain in life? | then what was left certain in life? |
811 | 00:46:20,780 | 00:46:24,660 | Within a week of the funeral, 11-year-old India found herself | Within a week of the funeral, 11-year-old India found herself |
812 | 00:46:24,660 | 00:46:27,580 | sent off to Gordonstoun, the boarding school | sent off to Gordonstoun, the boarding school |
813 | 00:46:27,580 | 00:46:29,660 | in the north of Scotland. | in the north of Scotland. |
814 | 00:46:29,660 | 00:46:33,860 | Here was she was given a painful reminder of the very public nature | Here was she was given a painful reminder of the very public nature |
815 | 00:46:33,860 | 00:46:36,420 | of her grandfather's death. | of her grandfather's death. |
816 | 00:46:36,420 | 00:46:40,700 | I remember feeling desperately lonely going off to boarding school | I remember feeling desperately lonely going off to boarding school |
817 | 00:46:40,700 | 00:46:43,140 | without my mother, and the first night someone, | without my mother, and the first night someone, |
818 | 00:46:43,140 | 00:46:46,060 | after lights out, saying a joke. | after lights out, saying a joke. |
819 | 00:46:47,220 | 00:46:50,300 | And maybe we can't even put this in because it's too horrific, | And maybe we can't even put this in because it's too horrific, |
820 | 00:46:50,300 | 00:46:55,340 | but she said, "How did they know Lord Mountbatten had dandruff?" | but she said, "How did they know Lord Mountbatten had dandruff?" |
821 | 00:46:55,340 | 00:46:57,620 | And no-one in the dorm at lights out knew the answer. | And no-one in the dorm at lights out knew the answer. |
822 | 00:46:57,620 | 00:46:59,180 | And the answer was, of course, | And the answer was, of course, |
823 | 00:46:59,180 | 00:47:03,020 | "Because they found his head and shoulders on the beach." | "Because they found his head and shoulders on the beach." |
824 | 00:47:03,020 | 00:47:04,860 | Um... | Um... |
825 | 00:47:04,860 | 00:47:07,620 | It was a pretty staggering moment. | It was a pretty staggering moment. |
826 | 00:47:11,780 | 00:47:15,300 | Later that autumn, two IRA men were put on trial | Later that autumn, two IRA men were put on trial |
827 | 00:47:15,300 | 00:47:18,260 | for the murder of Lord Mountbatten. | for the murder of Lord Mountbatten. |
828 | 00:47:18,260 | 00:47:20,900 | One, Thomas McMahon, was convicted. | One, Thomas McMahon, was convicted. |
829 | 00:47:22,580 | 00:47:26,220 | Thomas McMahon, did you know him by reputation? | Thomas McMahon, did you know him by reputation? |
830 | 00:47:26,220 | 00:47:29,260 | I knew him both by reputation and personally and he was a very, | I knew him both by reputation and personally and he was a very, |
831 | 00:47:29,260 | 00:47:31,900 | very fine IRA volunteer. | very fine IRA volunteer. |
832 | 00:47:31,900 | 00:47:33,900 | Very fine indeed. | Very fine indeed. |
833 | 00:47:34,940 | 00:47:40,700 | He would be the most outstanding figure to come out of South Armagh. | He would be the most outstanding figure to come out of South Armagh. |
834 | 00:47:40,700 | 00:47:44,460 | Thomas McMahon was sentenced to life in prison, | Thomas McMahon was sentenced to life in prison, |
835 | 00:47:44,460 | 00:47:48,700 | but no-one higher up in the IRA leadership chain was ever held | but no-one higher up in the IRA leadership chain was ever held |
836 | 00:47:48,700 | 00:47:51,380 | to account for the bomb. | to account for the bomb. |
837 | 00:47:53,420 | 00:47:57,340 | Somebody knew children were going on that boat. | Somebody knew children were going on that boat. |
838 | 00:47:57,340 | 00:48:00,420 | Not necessarily the guys who put the bomb on or the guys that made | Not necessarily the guys who put the bomb on or the guys that made |
839 | 00:48:00,420 | 00:48:03,940 | the bomb, but the people who planned it certainly knew | the bomb, but the people who planned it certainly knew |
840 | 00:48:03,940 | 00:48:05,980 | about the children. | about the children. |
841 | 00:48:17,380 | 00:48:21,460 | Although Anthony McIntyre has since fallen out with the IRA, | Although Anthony McIntyre has since fallen out with the IRA, |
842 | 00:48:21,460 | 00:48:25,620 | back in 1979, he was still very much an insider. | back in 1979, he was still very much an insider. |
843 | 00:48:25,620 | 00:48:28,300 | I think given the political sensitivity around Mountbatten | I think given the political sensitivity around Mountbatten |
844 | 00:48:28,300 | 00:48:31,940 | and the fallout that the IRA leadership, the political thinking | and the fallout that the IRA leadership, the political thinking |
845 | 00:48:31,940 | 00:48:35,460 | people in the IRA leadership would have anticipated, | people in the IRA leadership would have anticipated, |
846 | 00:48:35,460 | 00:48:38,620 | I would have imagined there was a decision taken | I would have imagined there was a decision taken |
847 | 00:48:38,620 | 00:48:40,500 | at the most senior levels. | at the most senior levels. |
848 | 00:48:42,380 | 00:48:46,620 | Kieran Conway, who temporarily left the IRA in 1976, | Kieran Conway, who temporarily left the IRA in 1976, |
849 | 00:48:46,620 | 00:48:49,260 | is in no doubt as to who was in charge at the time | is in no doubt as to who was in charge at the time |
850 | 00:48:49,260 | 00:48:51,940 | of Mountbatten's assassination. | of Mountbatten's assassination. |
851 | 00:48:51,940 | 00:48:55,580 | I have absolutely no difficulty in saying in '81 when I rejoined, | I have absolutely no difficulty in saying in '81 when I rejoined, |
852 | 00:48:55,580 | 00:48:58,660 | and I wouldn't have said that until Martin died, | and I wouldn't have said that until Martin died, |
853 | 00:48:58,660 | 00:49:01,460 | that McGuinness was Chief of Staff. | that McGuinness was Chief of Staff. |
854 | 00:49:01,460 | 00:49:05,700 | And your clear understanding is that he had been since '78? Yeah. | And your clear understanding is that he had been since '78? Yeah. |
855 | 00:49:07,180 | 00:49:11,180 | Ultimately, as Chief of Staff, it would be McGuinness' | Ultimately, as Chief of Staff, it would be McGuinness' |
856 | 00:49:11,180 | 00:49:14,660 | responsibility, that operation? Yeah, that's right, yeah. | responsibility, that operation? Yeah, that's right, yeah. |
857 | 00:49:14,660 | 00:49:17,700 | That's the way it works. I mean, if you are the boss, you are the boss. | That's the way it works. I mean, if you are the boss, you are the boss. |
858 | 00:49:17,700 | 00:49:20,340 | You take responsibility for whatever goes on. | You take responsibility for whatever goes on. |
859 | 00:49:25,180 | 00:49:28,060 | Meanwhile, no-one was ever put on trial for the bombs | Meanwhile, no-one was ever put on trial for the bombs |
860 | 00:49:28,060 | 00:49:33,420 | at Warrenpoint, let alone convicted, despite the arrest on the day itself | at Warrenpoint, let alone convicted, despite the arrest on the day itself |
861 | 00:49:33,420 | 00:49:37,220 | of two IRA suspects near the scene of the carnage. | of two IRA suspects near the scene of the carnage. |
862 | 00:49:40,420 | 00:49:43,300 | Well, of course it's frustrating. | Well, of course it's frustrating. |
863 | 00:49:43,300 | 00:49:45,740 | The event is one of murder. | The event is one of murder. |
864 | 00:49:45,740 | 00:49:47,980 | Mass murder. | Mass murder. |
865 | 00:49:47,980 | 00:49:51,460 | And it is a source of great regret | And it is a source of great regret |
866 | 00:49:51,460 | 00:49:54,300 | that nobody was brought to account for it. | that nobody was brought to account for it. |
867 | 00:50:01,420 | 00:50:04,540 | In these past few days, the irresistible force, | In these past few days, the irresistible force, |
868 | 00:50:04,540 | 00:50:08,900 | the political will, has met the immovable object, | the political will, has met the immovable object, |
869 | 00:50:08,900 | 00:50:13,020 | the legacy of the past, and it has actually moved it. | the legacy of the past, and it has actually moved it. |
870 | 00:50:13,020 | 00:50:15,580 | It took another 20 years after the Mountbatten | It took another 20 years after the Mountbatten |
871 | 00:50:15,580 | 00:50:19,660 | and Warrenpoint killings, but peace was finally established | and Warrenpoint killings, but peace was finally established |
872 | 00:50:19,660 | 00:50:23,140 | in Northern Ireland by the British and Irish governments | in Northern Ireland by the British and Irish governments |
873 | 00:50:23,140 | 00:50:26,860 | at the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. | at the Good Friday Agreement in 1998. |
874 | 00:50:26,860 | 00:50:29,820 | This agreement is good for the people of Ireland, | This agreement is good for the people of Ireland, |
875 | 00:50:29,820 | 00:50:32,660 | north and south. APPLAUSE | north and south. APPLAUSE |
876 | 00:50:32,660 | 00:50:37,340 | As part of the peace process, the IRA's prisoners were released, | As part of the peace process, the IRA's prisoners were released, |
877 | 00:50:37,340 | 00:50:40,780 | including Thomas McMahon, the sole IRA member | including Thomas McMahon, the sole IRA member |
878 | 00:50:40,780 | 00:50:42,940 | convicted of the killings. | convicted of the killings. |
879 | 00:50:50,740 | 00:50:55,740 | The idea of reconciliation has lain at the heart of the peace process. | The idea of reconciliation has lain at the heart of the peace process. |
880 | 00:50:58,940 | 00:51:02,980 | And there we get a first glimpse of the Queen. | And there we get a first glimpse of the Queen. |
881 | 00:51:02,980 | 00:51:08,020 | In 2012, the Queen came face-to-face with the man said to have been | In 2012, the Queen came face-to-face with the man said to have been |
882 | 00:51:08,020 | 00:51:13,500 | ultimately responsible for the assassination of her second cousin. | ultimately responsible for the assassination of her second cousin. |
883 | 00:51:13,500 | 00:51:16,740 | You really did have to just pinch yourself and think, | You really did have to just pinch yourself and think, |
884 | 00:51:16,740 | 00:51:19,380 | can this actually be happening? | can this actually be happening? |
885 | 00:51:19,380 | 00:51:21,660 | That the head of state of the United Kingdom | That the head of state of the United Kingdom |
886 | 00:51:21,660 | 00:51:25,700 | and the man who without doubt it was one of the leaders of the military, | and the man who without doubt it was one of the leaders of the military, |
887 | 00:51:25,700 | 00:51:28,420 | the offensive side of the Republican movement, | the offensive side of the Republican movement, |
888 | 00:51:28,420 | 00:51:31,180 | who may well have had a hand in planning Mullaghmore, | who may well have had a hand in planning Mullaghmore, |
889 | 00:51:31,180 | 00:51:33,180 | or certainly signing off on it... | or certainly signing off on it... |
890 | 00:51:33,180 | 00:51:36,140 | That they were standing together was remarkable. | That they were standing together was remarkable. |
891 | 00:51:37,620 | 00:51:41,980 | The symbolic strength of that shaking of hands | The symbolic strength of that shaking of hands |
892 | 00:51:41,980 | 00:51:48,660 | was enormous - one of the most powerful things that she could do. | was enormous - one of the most powerful things that she could do. |
893 | 00:51:48,660 | 00:51:51,460 | And she did it even though personally | And she did it even though personally |
894 | 00:51:51,460 | 00:51:53,700 | it may have cost her something. | it may have cost her something. |
895 | 00:51:53,700 | 00:51:56,380 | But it was terribly important that that was done. | But it was terribly important that that was done. |
896 | 00:51:56,380 | 00:51:59,620 | Only she could do it, and she did it. | Only she could do it, and she did it. |
897 | 00:51:59,620 | 00:52:02,340 | She is the more admirable person in the transaction, | She is the more admirable person in the transaction, |
898 | 00:52:02,340 | 00:52:04,340 | I think, you know? | I think, you know? |
899 | 00:52:04,340 | 00:52:07,980 | I think it was more difficult for her than it was for him. | I think it was more difficult for her than it was for him. |
900 | 00:52:13,860 | 00:52:15,820 | Like mother, like son. | Like mother, like son. |
901 | 00:52:17,140 | 00:52:19,500 | Three years later, the Prince of Wales made his own | Three years later, the Prince of Wales made his own |
902 | 00:52:19,500 | 00:52:21,940 | gesture of reconciliation. | gesture of reconciliation. |
903 | 00:52:21,940 | 00:52:27,180 | The events of 1979 had come as a double blow to him. | The events of 1979 had come as a double blow to him. |
904 | 00:52:27,180 | 00:52:30,460 | He was Colonel in Chief of the Parachute Regiment | He was Colonel in Chief of the Parachute Regiment |
905 | 00:52:30,460 | 00:52:34,780 | which had lost 16 of the 18 soldiers killed that Warrenpoint. | which had lost 16 of the 18 soldiers killed that Warrenpoint. |
906 | 00:52:34,780 | 00:52:37,980 | And at Mullaghmore, he had also lost to the mentor | And at Mullaghmore, he had also lost to the mentor |
907 | 00:52:37,980 | 00:52:40,420 | who meant so much to him. | who meant so much to him. |
908 | 00:52:40,420 | 00:52:44,900 | At the time, I could not imagine how we would come to terms | At the time, I could not imagine how we would come to terms |
909 | 00:52:44,900 | 00:52:48,580 | with the anguish of such a deep loss, since, | with the anguish of such a deep loss, since, |
910 | 00:52:48,580 | 00:52:53,460 | for me, Lord Mountbatten represented the grandfather I never had. | for me, Lord Mountbatten represented the grandfather I never had. |
911 | 00:52:59,340 | 00:53:03,780 | The poet Yeats once wrote that I shall have some peace there, | The poet Yeats once wrote that I shall have some peace there, |
912 | 00:53:03,780 | 00:53:06,020 | for peace comes dropping slow. | for peace comes dropping slow. |
913 | 00:53:08,660 | 00:53:15,460 | As a grandfather now myself, I pray that his words can apply | As a grandfather now myself, I pray that his words can apply |
914 | 00:53:15,460 | 00:53:17,820 | to all of those that have been so hurt | to all of those that have been so hurt |
915 | 00:53:17,820 | 00:53:20,740 | and scarred by the Troubles of the past. | and scarred by the Troubles of the past. |
916 | 00:53:22,500 | 00:53:25,540 | The problem with peace is you have to keep working at it. | The problem with peace is you have to keep working at it. |
917 | 00:53:25,540 | 00:53:27,980 | It's not a passive thing. | It's not a passive thing. |
918 | 00:53:27,980 | 00:53:31,620 | It is always going to be a continuing responsibility | It is always going to be a continuing responsibility |
919 | 00:53:31,620 | 00:53:35,900 | on all of us in these islands to make sure that the conditions | on all of us in these islands to make sure that the conditions |
920 | 00:53:35,900 | 00:53:39,500 | in Northern Ireland do not encourage the break-out again | in Northern Ireland do not encourage the break-out again |
921 | 00:53:39,500 | 00:53:41,540 | of sectarian tensions. | of sectarian tensions. |
922 | 00:53:41,540 | 00:53:43,620 | We do not want to go back to that. | We do not want to go back to that. |
923 | 00:53:43,620 | 00:53:46,380 | So it is not a matter of peace coming, dropping slow - | So it is not a matter of peace coming, dropping slow - |
924 | 00:53:46,380 | 00:53:49,300 | peace has to be worked at damned hard. | peace has to be worked at damned hard. |
925 | 00:53:50,740 | 00:53:54,100 | Two years ago, Martin McGuinness, the man widely believed | Two years ago, Martin McGuinness, the man widely believed |
926 | 00:53:54,100 | 00:53:56,820 | to have been the IRA Chief of Staff at the time | to have been the IRA Chief of Staff at the time |
927 | 00:53:56,820 | 00:53:59,340 | of the bombings, died. | of the bombings, died. |
928 | 00:53:59,340 | 00:54:02,940 | According to Buckingham Palace, the Queen sent a private letter | According to Buckingham Palace, the Queen sent a private letter |
929 | 00:54:02,940 | 00:54:04,940 | of condolence to his widow. | of condolence to his widow. |
930 | 00:54:14,500 | 00:54:17,860 | Today, for the most part, normal life has returned | Today, for the most part, normal life has returned |
931 | 00:54:17,860 | 00:54:20,180 | on both sides of the Irish border. | on both sides of the Irish border. |
932 | 00:54:22,020 | 00:54:26,260 | But the sense of shame in the village of Mullaghmore lives on, | But the sense of shame in the village of Mullaghmore lives on, |
933 | 00:54:26,260 | 00:54:30,820 | especially among those who had had close ties to the Mountbattens. | especially among those who had had close ties to the Mountbattens. |
934 | 00:54:34,340 | 00:54:37,620 | There was a terrible sense of shock in this village, | There was a terrible sense of shock in this village, |
935 | 00:54:37,620 | 00:54:40,100 | and disbelief. | and disbelief. |
936 | 00:54:40,100 | 00:54:43,140 | And there was a dark cloud over the area, | And there was a dark cloud over the area, |
937 | 00:54:43,140 | 00:54:45,540 | over the village, for years afterwards. | over the village, for years afterwards. |
938 | 00:54:47,500 | 00:54:49,460 | People didn't talk about it. | People didn't talk about it. |
939 | 00:54:49,460 | 00:54:52,780 | They did in their own houses hushed talk about it, | They did in their own houses hushed talk about it, |
940 | 00:54:52,780 | 00:54:55,140 | but not out in the open. | but not out in the open. |
941 | 00:54:55,140 | 00:54:58,340 | People felt so bad about what happened, | People felt so bad about what happened, |
942 | 00:54:58,340 | 00:55:00,420 | and embarrassed about it. | and embarrassed about it. |
943 | 00:55:02,420 | 00:55:06,900 | As with the town, so with the individuals themselves. | As with the town, so with the individuals themselves. |
944 | 00:55:06,900 | 00:55:10,940 | They too are still struggling to come to terms with the tragic | They too are still struggling to come to terms with the tragic |
945 | 00:55:10,940 | 00:55:13,380 | events of 40 years ago. | events of 40 years ago. |
946 | 00:55:15,980 | 00:55:18,260 | I never took another picture since. | I never took another picture since. |
947 | 00:55:18,260 | 00:55:20,300 | That's 40 years ago. | That's 40 years ago. |
948 | 00:55:20,300 | 00:55:22,980 | Why did you never take another photograph? | Why did you never take another photograph? |
949 | 00:55:22,980 | 00:55:25,460 | I... | I... |
950 | 00:55:25,460 | 00:55:27,580 | I just couldn't face it. | I just couldn't face it. |
951 | 00:55:27,580 | 00:55:29,620 | I was literally shaken. | I was literally shaken. |
952 | 00:55:31,820 | 00:55:34,300 | I watched the firemen and I thought, | I watched the firemen and I thought, |
953 | 00:55:34,300 | 00:55:36,900 | "That's what I should have been doing." | "That's what I should have been doing." |
954 | 00:55:36,900 | 00:55:41,060 | And the following week, I applied and I joined the Fire Service then. | And the following week, I applied and I joined the Fire Service then. |
955 | 00:55:42,620 | 00:55:46,540 | Loved it. Loved it. | Loved it. Loved it. |
956 | 00:55:48,340 | 00:55:52,420 | I see that young boy's face over and over and it doesn't go away | I see that young boy's face over and over and it doesn't go away |
957 | 00:55:52,420 | 00:55:56,460 | and it doesn't get any more blurred as it did from 1979 to today, | and it doesn't get any more blurred as it did from 1979 to today, |
958 | 00:55:56,460 | 00:55:59,100 | because I can still see it. | because I can still see it. |
959 | 00:55:59,100 | 00:56:02,780 | I'm OK with all that because I brought that kid home. | I'm OK with all that because I brought that kid home. |
960 | 00:56:11,860 | 00:56:14,460 | That's 40 years ago now. | That's 40 years ago now. |
961 | 00:56:20,940 | 00:56:23,540 | There hasn't been one day, I'm sure, that it hasn't | There hasn't been one day, I'm sure, that it hasn't |
962 | 00:56:23,540 | 00:56:26,100 | crossed my mind sometime. | crossed my mind sometime. |
963 | 00:56:28,100 | 00:56:31,780 | And that's a long time for something to stick in your mind. | And that's a long time for something to stick in your mind. |
964 | 00:56:34,820 | 00:56:37,500 | Didn't feel lucky at the time, | Didn't feel lucky at the time, |
965 | 00:56:37,500 | 00:56:40,820 | didn't feel lucky for ten years after it. | didn't feel lucky for ten years after it. |
966 | 00:56:44,380 | 00:56:46,500 | I wanted to be with them. | I wanted to be with them. |
967 | 00:56:47,580 | 00:56:49,740 | Why did I survive? | Why did I survive? |
968 | 00:56:52,100 | 00:56:57,500 | It was like a day that would never end and then went on to weeks | It was like a day that would never end and then went on to weeks |
969 | 00:56:57,500 | 00:57:03,260 | that would never end and years where grieving would never end. | that would never end and years where grieving would never end. |
970 | 00:57:03,260 | 00:57:05,700 | And it hasn't. | And it hasn't. |
971 | 00:57:05,700 | 00:57:07,940 | I will always grieve for Paul. | I will always grieve for Paul. |
972 | 00:57:09,180 | 00:57:12,900 | I carry him in my heart everywhere I go. | I carry him in my heart everywhere I go. |
973 | 00:57:15,060 | 00:57:17,980 | I asked my mother about doing this and she said, | I asked my mother about doing this and she said, |
974 | 00:57:17,980 | 00:57:21,940 | "Yes, absolutely, it's important to keep talking." | "Yes, absolutely, it's important to keep talking." |
975 | 00:57:23,580 | 00:57:28,460 | I think, in trauma and in death and in survival, | I think, in trauma and in death and in survival, |
976 | 00:57:28,460 | 00:57:35,100 | there is so much that is unsaid, and there is unfortunately no path, | there is so much that is unsaid, and there is unfortunately no path, |
977 | 00:57:35,100 | 00:57:38,820 | there is no written text book of healing. | there is no written text book of healing. |
978 | 00:57:38,820 | 00:57:42,900 | And so, in amongst my seven cousins, who I am, and remain, | And so, in amongst my seven cousins, who I am, and remain, |
979 | 00:57:42,900 | 00:57:48,300 | close to, and my own siblings, everybody coped very differently. | close to, and my own siblings, everybody coped very differently. |
980 | 00:57:50,300 | 00:57:53,820 | And some didn't cope well and of course we are seeing | And some didn't cope well and of course we are seeing |
981 | 00:57:53,820 | 00:57:58,060 | the side-effects of that even to this day, | the side-effects of that even to this day, |
982 | 00:57:58,060 | 00:58:00,980 | and the damage that was done | and the damage that was done |
983 | 00:58:00,980 | 00:58:05,300 | was so much deeper than any of us could ever have imagined, | was so much deeper than any of us could ever have imagined, |
984 | 00:58:05,300 | 00:58:09,500 | and adult lives are still being horrifically disrupted. | and adult lives are still being horrifically disrupted. |
985 | 00:58:13,180 | 00:58:18,620 | I certainly try not to hold resentment in any way, | I certainly try not to hold resentment in any way, |
986 | 00:58:18,620 | 00:58:20,660 | and that's hard. | and that's hard. |
987 | 00:58:22,380 | 00:58:25,580 | But forgiveness, I think, is important. | But forgiveness, I think, is important. |
988 | 00:58:25,580 | 00:58:27,580 | One has to move on. | One has to move on. |