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1 | 00:00:01,751 | 00:00:06,715 | Hello, I am Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels. | Hello, I am Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels. |
2 | 00:00:07,174 | 00:00:08,382 | And I'm Bonnie Wild, | And I'm Bonnie Wild, |
3 | 00:00:08,466 | 00:00:11,761 | the sound editor and re-recording mixer at Skywalker Ranch. | the sound editor and re-recording mixer at Skywalker Ranch. |
4 | 00:00:12,512 | 00:00:14,180 | Also on Star Wars Rebels. | Also on Star Wars Rebels. |
5 | 00:00:14,264 | 00:00:15,724 | Also on Star Wars Rebels. | Also on Star Wars Rebels. |
6 | 00:00:17,893 | 00:00:20,854 | So, I don't even know... | So, I don't even know... |
7 | 00:00:21,271 | 00:00:25,525 | where it occurred to me to do this thing with these voices, | where it occurred to me to do this thing with these voices, |
8 | 00:00:25,609 | 00:00:29,404 | but I was interested in trying to... | but I was interested in trying to... |
9 | 00:00:30,030 | 00:00:34,367 | tie all of the films together in some way. | tie all of the films together in some way. |
10 | 00:00:34,451 | 00:00:38,746 | And I was trying to build this bigger concept of what the Force is, | And I was trying to build this bigger concept of what the Force is, |
11 | 00:00:38,830 | 00:00:41,916 | and how it works, not necessarily what the space is, | and how it works, not necessarily what the space is, |
12 | 00:00:42,000 | 00:00:44,335 | but just all the ideas of the Force | but just all the ideas of the Force |
13 | 00:00:44,419 | 00:00:46,170 | that George had created over the years | that George had created over the years |
14 | 00:00:46,254 | 00:00:49,257 | with things he had taught me on Clone Wars, | with things he had taught me on Clone Wars, |
15 | 00:00:49,341 | 00:00:52,677 | and give Ezra some really... | and give Ezra some really... |
16 | 00:00:53,011 | 00:00:55,222 | kind of transcendent experience... | kind of transcendent experience... |
17 | 00:00:55,555 | 00:00:58,349 | something that would make the audience | something that would make the audience |
18 | 00:00:58,433 | 00:01:01,227 | feel like they're getting some big answer | feel like they're getting some big answer |
19 | 00:01:01,311 | 00:01:02,728 | to what the Force is, | to what the Force is, |
20 | 00:01:02,812 | 00:01:05,565 | or that you would feel more what the Force is. | or that you would feel more what the Force is. |
21 | 00:01:05,649 | 00:01:07,483 | So really, these images, I think, | So really, these images, I think, |
22 | 00:01:07,567 | 00:01:09,193 | play at things that | play at things that |
23 | 00:01:09,277 | 00:01:12,029 | I imagined growing up as a Star Wars fan, | I imagined growing up as a Star Wars fan, |
24 | 00:01:12,113 | 00:01:15,450 | that I imagined as some big connective universe... | that I imagined as some big connective universe... |
25 | 00:01:15,909 | 00:01:17,535 | and it's all | and it's all |
26 | 00:01:17,786 | 00:01:20,663 | derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid | derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid |
27 | 00:01:20,747 | 00:01:22,623 | derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid | derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid |
28 | 00:01:22,707 | 00:01:26,627 | when it's more of a magic time and a time of wonder in your life, | when it's more of a magic time and a time of wonder in your life, |
29 | 00:01:26,711 | 00:01:28,921 | and that's what, in some ways, | and that's what, in some ways, |
30 | 00:01:29,005 | 00:01:32,217 | the world between worlds is really trying to capture. | the world between worlds is really trying to capture. |
31 | 00:01:33,551 | 00:01:38,890 | And sound would play an instrumental role in this whole episode. | And sound would play an instrumental role in this whole episode. |
32 | 00:01:40,141 | 00:01:43,102 | Yeah, we really tried to put them in that space. | Yeah, we really tried to put them in that space. |
33 | 00:01:43,186 | 00:01:45,229 | And we had them, like, moving around, didn't we? | And we had them, like, moving around, didn't we? |
34 | 00:01:45,313 | 00:01:47,363 | - Mmm-hmm. - And everything was kind of... | - Mmm-hmm. - And everything was kind of... |
35 | 00:01:48,149 | 00:01:51,569 | We weren't so concerned with clarity more than | We weren't so concerned with clarity more than |
36 | 00:01:51,653 | 00:01:53,363 | how it would make you... | how it would make you... |
37 | 00:01:54,281 | 00:01:57,075 | feel emotionally about hearing these... | feel emotionally about hearing these... |
38 | 00:01:57,409 | 00:01:59,911 | Hearing the voices in that space. | Hearing the voices in that space. |
39 | 00:02:00,370 | 00:02:04,248 | And then contrasting that completely bizarre space, | And then contrasting that completely bizarre space, |
40 | 00:02:04,332 | 00:02:08,961 | you have this rather normal situation of an Imperial interrogation, | you have this rather normal situation of an Imperial interrogation, |
41 | 00:02:09,045 | 00:02:12,299 | but I wanted to play it in a way that we hadn't seen before. | but I wanted to play it in a way that we hadn't seen before. |
42 | 00:02:12,424 | 00:02:15,384 | So it's not really torturous physically, | So it's not really torturous physically, |
43 | 00:02:15,468 | 00:02:19,013 | it's more of a mental game between Hydan here and Sabine. | it's more of a mental game between Hydan here and Sabine. |
44 | 00:02:19,097 | 00:02:23,935 | And somebody that wants to pretend that they're in a like mind is Sabine, | And somebody that wants to pretend that they're in a like mind is Sabine, |
45 | 00:02:24,019 | 00:02:25,269 | as far as being an artist. | as far as being an artist. |
46 | 00:02:25,353 | 00:02:28,272 | And Hydan plays a long game, | And Hydan plays a long game, |
47 | 00:02:28,356 | 00:02:29,857 | played by Malcolm McDowell, | played by Malcolm McDowell, |
48 | 00:02:29,941 | 00:02:32,318 | of trying to break down Sabine's confidence, | of trying to break down Sabine's confidence, |
49 | 00:02:32,402 | 00:02:33,736 | her faith in her friends, | her faith in her friends, |
50 | 00:02:33,820 | 00:02:36,156 | her belief that Ezra's going to be all right. | her belief that Ezra's going to be all right. |
51 | 00:02:36,656 | 00:02:40,076 | He's trying to undermine | He's trying to undermine |
52 | 00:02:40,160 | 00:02:43,329 | her will and her confidence, to get out of her information | her will and her confidence, to get out of her information |
53 | 00:02:43,413 | 00:02:45,665 | because he knows that she helped Ezra, | because he knows that she helped Ezra, |
54 | 00:02:45,749 | 00:02:47,875 | or assumes that she must have been involved | or assumes that she must have been involved |
55 | 00:02:47,959 | 00:02:50,836 | in helping Ezra to open the gateway. | in helping Ezra to open the gateway. |
56 | 00:02:50,920 | 00:02:54,174 | And she alludes to as much in her conversation with him. | And she alludes to as much in her conversation with him. |
57 | 00:02:54,299 | 00:02:57,551 | But it was a fun series of scenes to write | But it was a fun series of scenes to write |
58 | 00:02:57,635 | 00:02:59,804 | because really Sabine, I think, | because really Sabine, I think, |
59 | 00:02:59,888 | 00:03:01,639 | you know, mentally out-duels Hydan. | you know, mentally out-duels Hydan. |
60 | 00:03:01,723 | 00:03:05,685 | He underestimates her in this situation. | He underestimates her in this situation. |
61 | 00:03:05,852 | 00:03:07,478 | She's been through so much at this point, | She's been through so much at this point, |
62 | 00:03:07,562 | 00:03:12,108 | and it becomes a part of the step for Sabine on her journey | and it becomes a part of the step for Sabine on her journey |
63 | 00:03:12,192 | 00:03:15,779 | to becoming a different type of character, | to becoming a different type of character, |
64 | 00:03:15,904 | 00:03:19,032 | more of a leader, which you see followed through in the finale, | more of a leader, which you see followed through in the finale, |
65 | 00:03:19,282 | 00:03:20,783 | somebody that uses her mind | somebody that uses her mind |
66 | 00:03:20,867 | 00:03:23,411 | even more than her skills with a weapon, | even more than her skills with a weapon, |
67 | 00:03:23,536 | 00:03:26,205 | you know, finding ways to outwit her opponents | you know, finding ways to outwit her opponents |
68 | 00:03:26,289 | 00:03:29,167 | as opposed to physically overpower her opponents. | as opposed to physically overpower her opponents. |
69 | 00:03:29,334 | 00:03:30,960 | Not that she couldn't in this situation, | Not that she couldn't in this situation, |
70 | 00:03:31,044 | 00:03:32,462 | she obviously could. | she obviously could. |
71 | 00:03:32,712 | 00:03:35,298 | And you see here all the different designs and images | And you see here all the different designs and images |
72 | 00:03:35,382 | 00:03:38,509 | from different Jedi Temples in there | from different Jedi Temples in there |
73 | 00:03:38,593 | 00:03:42,347 | behind Sabine in the Mortis constellation painting. | behind Sabine in the Mortis constellation painting. |
74 | 00:03:43,098 | 00:03:45,099 | So tying all these ideas together | So tying all these ideas together |
75 | 00:03:45,183 | 00:03:49,729 | from Clone Wars and Rebels all into one bigger mythology. | from Clone Wars and Rebels all into one bigger mythology. |
76 | 00:03:50,230 | 00:03:52,440 | And these very real-world situations, | And these very real-world situations, |
77 | 00:03:52,524 | 00:03:54,483 | that our heroes here don't really understand, | that our heroes here don't really understand, |
78 | 00:03:54,567 | 00:03:59,697 | set up this bigger journey into where Ezra is, | set up this bigger journey into where Ezra is, |
79 | 00:03:59,989 | 00:04:02,199 | which now sound became a key element, | which now sound became a key element, |
80 | 00:04:02,283 | 00:04:04,933 | which is, we hear all these voices in this next scene. | which is, we hear all these voices in this next scene. |
81 | 00:04:05,245 | 00:04:06,871 | Yeah. This was... | Yeah. This was... |
82 | 00:04:08,206 | 00:04:09,416 | This was a thing, right? | This was a thing, right? |
83 | 00:04:11,960 | 00:04:13,837 | Yeah. A lot of these came through, | Yeah. A lot of these came through, |
84 | 00:04:13,962 | 00:04:16,213 | - that you had picked out, Dave, in here. - Mmm-hmm. | - that you had picked out, Dave, in here. - Mmm-hmm. |
85 | 00:04:16,297 | 00:04:20,301 | And then actually in the mix we added, | And then actually in the mix we added, |
86 | 00:04:20,385 | 00:04:22,345 | we added more, we took some out | we added more, we took some out |
87 | 00:04:22,429 | 00:04:25,807 | that maybe we didn't feel were so appropriate. | that maybe we didn't feel were so appropriate. |
88 | 00:04:26,307 | 00:04:30,686 | But, again, in here we weren't too concerned with clarity, | But, again, in here we weren't too concerned with clarity, |
89 | 00:04:30,770 | 00:04:32,355 | in having the viewer hear | in having the viewer hear |
90 | 00:04:32,439 | 00:04:35,274 | distinctly everything that was being said. | distinctly everything that was being said. |
91 | 00:04:35,358 | 00:04:37,860 | It was more that there was... | It was more that there was... |
92 | 00:04:37,944 | 00:04:39,278 | There was so much that he could... | There was so much that he could... |
93 | 00:04:39,362 | 00:04:43,199 | That he could hear so much calling to him in this space from, | That he could hear so much calling to him in this space from, |
94 | 00:04:43,283 | 00:04:44,909 | like, all different places, | like, all different places, |
95 | 00:04:44,993 | 00:04:48,163 | and really just echoing around that world between worlds. | and really just echoing around that world between worlds. |
96 | 00:04:48,830 | 00:04:50,206 | In its original version, | In its original version, |
97 | 00:04:50,290 | 00:04:52,249 | I actually had him looking through portals | I actually had him looking through portals |
98 | 00:04:52,333 | 00:04:54,251 | and seeing all kinds of events happening, | and seeing all kinds of events happening, |
99 | 00:04:54,335 | 00:04:56,045 | things he wouldn't understand, | things he wouldn't understand, |
100 | 00:04:56,129 | 00:04:58,839 | but it's one of those times where limitations really, | but it's one of those times where limitations really, |
101 | 00:04:58,923 | 00:05:00,174 | I think, benefited us, | I think, benefited us, |
102 | 00:05:00,258 | 00:05:02,885 | and the mystery of it being just the voices | and the mystery of it being just the voices |
103 | 00:05:02,969 | 00:05:06,139 | played more powerfully than any images we could create. | played more powerfully than any images we could create. |
104 | 00:05:06,681 | 00:05:10,142 | And then really, the first visual you get is this owl, | And then really, the first visual you get is this owl, |
105 | 00:05:10,226 | 00:05:14,313 | and the first experience with connecting to another world, | and the first experience with connecting to another world, |
106 | 00:05:14,397 | 00:05:17,525 | or another time, is through this portal. | or another time, is through this portal. |
107 | 00:05:18,651 | 00:05:22,279 | And this bit was cool, sound-wise here, | And this bit was cool, sound-wise here, |
108 | 00:05:22,363 | 00:05:26,576 | as we have the kind of the reveal for Vader and Ahsoka. | as we have the kind of the reveal for Vader and Ahsoka. |
109 | 00:05:26,784 | 00:05:29,287 | We went back to the Season 2 finale here... | We went back to the Season 2 finale here... |
110 | 00:05:29,704 | 00:05:31,497 | and we took all the sound elements | and we took all the sound elements |
111 | 00:05:31,581 | 00:05:34,875 | that we used for that battle with Vader and Ahsoka, | that we used for that battle with Vader and Ahsoka, |
112 | 00:05:34,959 | 00:05:37,170 | and we brought them into this episode... | and we brought them into this episode... |
113 | 00:05:37,879 | 00:05:40,423 | so it's kind of a real... | so it's kind of a real... |
114 | 00:05:40,924 | 00:05:44,176 | It doesn't even feel like a flashback, | It doesn't even feel like a flashback, |
115 | 00:05:44,260 | 00:05:47,138 | it was just going back into that moment in time. | it was just going back into that moment in time. |
116 | 00:05:47,805 | 00:05:49,473 | Yeah, that was a big jump. | Yeah, that was a big jump. |
117 | 00:05:49,557 | 00:05:53,811 | When Steward Lee and I talked about this, Stew was up site directing. | When Steward Lee and I talked about this, Stew was up site directing. |
118 | 00:05:53,895 | 00:05:57,773 | You know, we wanted to be sure that it felt real to, | You know, we wanted to be sure that it felt real to, |
119 | 00:05:57,857 | 00:06:00,067 | you know, the situation that was happening with Ahsoka, | you know, the situation that was happening with Ahsoka, |
120 | 00:06:00,151 | 00:06:03,905 | that it felt real to the time length that was happening for her escape, | that it felt real to the time length that was happening for her escape, |
121 | 00:06:04,197 | 00:06:06,824 | it all had to feel like we're literally seeing a part of the episode | it all had to feel like we're literally seeing a part of the episode |
122 | 00:06:06,908 | 00:06:08,618 | that we never got to see before. | that we never got to see before. |
123 | 00:06:09,744 | 00:06:12,830 | And having the sound tied together really played well. | And having the sound tied together really played well. |
124 | 00:06:12,914 | 00:06:16,264 | I remember originally we had the original music score in there, too. | I remember originally we had the original music score in there, too. |
125 | 00:06:16,459 | 00:06:18,127 | But in the end it was a little more | But in the end it was a little more |
126 | 00:06:18,211 | 00:06:18,628 | visceral to just have the sound design | visceral to just have the sound design |
127 | 00:06:18,712 | 00:06:20,463 | visceral to just have the sound design... | visceral to just have the sound design... |
128 | 00:06:20,547 | 00:06:21,964 | - Yeah. It definitely made it... - Cut through clearly. | - Yeah. It definitely made it... - Cut through clearly. |
129 | 00:06:22,048 | 00:06:24,717 | ...more real. It was cool. | ...more real. It was cool. |
130 | 00:06:25,051 | 00:06:26,635 | And when you're doing a scene like this, I mean, | And when you're doing a scene like this, I mean, |
131 | 00:06:26,719 | 00:06:29,096 | what are your considerations as far as... | what are your considerations as far as... |
132 | 00:06:29,180 | 00:06:33,058 | I think the audience would obviously see the big story implications in a scene | I think the audience would obviously see the big story implications in a scene |
133 | 00:06:33,142 | 00:06:36,395 | like the world between worlds, but what about in a situation like this? | like the world between worlds, but what about in a situation like this? |
134 | 00:06:36,479 | 00:06:38,856 | I think it's like you were talking about, | I think it's like you were talking about, |
135 | 00:06:38,940 | 00:06:40,816 | like, this is the real world. | like, this is the real world. |
136 | 00:06:40,900 | 00:06:43,235 | So, to make this space feel real, | So, to make this space feel real, |
137 | 00:06:43,319 | 00:06:44,445 | and to have everything, | and to have everything, |
138 | 00:06:44,529 | 00:06:46,530 | like, you're really grounded in here, | like, you're really grounded in here, |
139 | 00:06:46,614 | 00:06:48,241 | there's nothing to... | there's nothing to... |
140 | 00:06:49,826 | 00:06:52,828 | There's nothing, kind of... There's no gray area here. | There's nothing, kind of... There's no gray area here. |
141 | 00:06:52,912 | 00:06:55,247 | - Mmm-hmm. - We're definitely in reality, | - Mmm-hmm. - We're definitely in reality, |
142 | 00:06:55,331 | 00:06:58,000 | and it was kind of... | and it was kind of... |
143 | 00:06:58,084 | 00:07:00,044 | Just really with Sabine here, I think. | Just really with Sabine here, I think. |
144 | 00:07:00,128 | 00:07:02,278 | I love her in this. She's got such attitude. | I love her in this. She's got such attitude. |
145 | 00:07:02,505 | 00:07:07,384 | I know that, I like to carve out a lot of space for sound, | I know that, I like to carve out a lot of space for sound, |
146 | 00:07:07,468 | 00:07:11,472 | and I think people think sound may be encompassing mainly music, | and I think people think sound may be encompassing mainly music, |
147 | 00:07:11,556 | 00:07:15,100 | but Star Wars has a lot of very distinct sounds, | but Star Wars has a lot of very distinct sounds, |
148 | 00:07:15,184 | 00:07:16,852 | sound designs, sound effects, | sound designs, sound effects, |
149 | 00:07:16,936 | 00:07:19,188 | just the hologram, and the hologram, | just the hologram, and the hologram, |
150 | 00:07:19,272 | 00:07:20,648 | you know, fritzing and futzing, | you know, fritzing and futzing, |
151 | 00:07:20,732 | 00:07:23,234 | can give a real mood, like there, | can give a real mood, like there, |
152 | 00:07:23,318 | 00:07:25,468 | when the troopers walk through the hologram. | when the troopers walk through the hologram. |
153 | 00:07:25,653 | 00:07:29,866 | The way it phases adds a certain characterization to their attitude, | The way it phases adds a certain characterization to their attitude, |
154 | 00:07:29,991 | 00:07:31,075 | you know, to Sabine. | you know, to Sabine. |
155 | 00:07:31,159 | 00:07:32,868 | So I always love that kind of stuff. | So I always love that kind of stuff. |
156 | 00:07:32,952 | 00:07:34,703 | Yeah, and we do use, | Yeah, and we do use, |
157 | 00:07:34,787 | 00:07:38,123 | you know, we use the legacy library, we use the Clone Wars library. | you know, we use the legacy library, we use the Clone Wars library. |
158 | 00:07:38,207 | 00:07:40,459 | Obviously we've built up a library doing Rebels. | Obviously we've built up a library doing Rebels. |
159 | 00:07:40,543 | 00:07:41,710 | So everything | So everything |
160 | 00:07:41,794 | 00:07:45,256 | puts you in the Star Wars universe, like audibly. | puts you in the Star Wars universe, like audibly. |
161 | 00:07:45,590 | 00:07:46,757 | The sounds are, | The sounds are, |
162 | 00:07:46,841 | 00:07:51,011 | in some ways, the most authentic piece of Star Wars, | in some ways, the most authentic piece of Star Wars, |
163 | 00:07:51,095 | 00:07:54,307 | if you think about it, genre to genre, | if you think about it, genre to genre, |
164 | 00:07:54,515 | 00:07:57,435 | movie to film, you know, TV show. | movie to film, you know, TV show. |
165 | 00:07:57,727 | 00:08:00,604 | They're the one thing that's true across the board. | They're the one thing that's true across the board. |
166 | 00:08:00,688 | 00:08:04,567 | Like, I imagine the Ghost's actual sounds are in Rogue One... | Like, I imagine the Ghost's actual sounds are in Rogue One... |
167 | 00:08:04,651 | 00:08:06,277 | - Yeah. - Just like they're in our show. | - Yeah. - Just like they're in our show. |
168 | 00:08:06,361 | 00:08:08,488 | Chopper's real sounds are in Rogue One. | Chopper's real sounds are in Rogue One. |
169 | 00:08:09,030 | 00:08:10,656 | I've been told that, you know, | I've been told that, you know, |
170 | 00:08:10,740 | 00:08:13,826 | Clone Wars actually added a huge library for all Star Wars, | Clone Wars actually added a huge library for all Star Wars, |
171 | 00:08:13,910 | 00:08:16,287 | not just that series, but... | not just that series, but... |
172 | 00:08:16,371 | 00:08:18,539 | Yeah, I know it's massive, | Yeah, I know it's massive, |
173 | 00:08:18,748 | 00:08:22,627 | it's part of what we used for the episodes. | it's part of what we used for the episodes. |
174 | 00:08:22,877 | 00:08:24,877 | This is where we did some of the most... | This is where we did some of the most... |
175 | 00:08:25,380 | 00:08:29,175 | fun designing with the voices because... | fun designing with the voices because... |
176 | 00:08:29,509 | 00:08:32,887 | you remember, we laid in, we didn't have in the first viewing... | you remember, we laid in, we didn't have in the first viewing... |
177 | 00:08:33,471 | 00:08:36,724 | the daughter saying "I am daughter" underneath the owl. | the daughter saying "I am daughter" underneath the owl. |
178 | 00:08:36,808 | 00:08:38,517 | - Yes. - And we didn't have Vader | - Yes. - And we didn't have Vader |
179 | 00:08:38,601 | 00:08:41,979 | saying those two lines that he does underneath Ahsoka. | saying those two lines that he does underneath Ahsoka. |
180 | 00:08:42,063 | 00:08:43,188 | And that was designed. | And that was designed. |
181 | 00:08:43,272 | 00:08:47,443 | Once I saw what Bonnie was doing with the soundscape of this sequence, | Once I saw what Bonnie was doing with the soundscape of this sequence, |
182 | 00:08:47,527 | 00:08:50,571 | I thought, well, maybe that's what's going through her mind. | I thought, well, maybe that's what's going through her mind. |
183 | 00:08:50,655 | 00:08:53,616 | Maybe that's what... And only she hears those things, | Maybe that's what... And only she hears those things, |
184 | 00:08:53,700 | 00:08:55,284 | Ezra doesn't hear those things | Ezra doesn't hear those things |
185 | 00:08:55,368 | 00:08:58,705 | because they're specific to what she's thinking and feeling. | because they're specific to what she's thinking and feeling. |
186 | 00:08:58,871 | 00:09:00,998 | "You don't know the power of the dark side." | "You don't know the power of the dark side." |
187 | 00:09:01,082 | 00:09:02,417 | "I must obey my master." | "I must obey my master." |
188 | 00:09:02,583 | 00:09:06,170 | Like, those things echoing through truly to just Ahsoka. | Like, those things echoing through truly to just Ahsoka. |
189 | 00:09:06,337 | 00:09:07,963 | So, that was a lot of fun | So, that was a lot of fun |
190 | 00:09:08,047 | 00:09:12,135 | once we started dropping in a line here and a line there. | once we started dropping in a line here and a line there. |
191 | 00:09:12,468 | 00:09:16,430 | And in fact, in the original version of this episode, | And in fact, in the original version of this episode, |
192 | 00:09:16,514 | 00:09:19,141 | there wasn't any lengthy sequence | there wasn't any lengthy sequence |
193 | 00:09:19,225 | 00:09:21,977 | with Kanan and his voice or any of that. | with Kanan and his voice or any of that. |
194 | 00:09:22,061 | 00:09:24,355 | That was something I added late. | That was something I added late. |
195 | 00:09:24,439 | 00:09:26,440 | We can talk about that when we get to it, but... | We can talk about that when we get to it, but... |
196 | 00:09:26,524 | 00:09:27,608 | Yes. | Yes. |
197 | 00:09:27,859 | 00:09:30,737 | Yeah, a lot of interesting dialogue laid in here. | Yeah, a lot of interesting dialogue laid in here. |
198 | 00:09:31,404 | 00:09:33,489 | And then back to harsh reality. | And then back to harsh reality. |
199 | 00:09:33,573 | 00:09:36,116 | I think here it's mainly just sounds. | I think here it's mainly just sounds. |
200 | 00:09:36,200 | 00:09:37,618 | Yeah, I think as we cut back here, | Yeah, I think as we cut back here, |
201 | 00:09:37,702 | 00:09:39,536 | yeah, we've got the troopers walking around, | yeah, we've got the troopers walking around, |
202 | 00:09:39,620 | 00:09:42,957 | which I like because it's a real contrast between | which I like because it's a real contrast between |
203 | 00:09:45,251 | 00:09:46,835 | Ezra's state of mind | Ezra's state of mind |
204 | 00:09:46,919 | 00:09:49,129 | and just like the actual planning and action | and just like the actual planning and action |
205 | 00:09:49,213 | 00:09:50,506 | that's going on here. | that's going on here. |
206 | 00:09:50,715 | 00:09:53,760 | The surreal world and the real world. | The surreal world and the real world. |
207 | 00:09:53,968 | 00:09:56,804 | There was a lot more scenes for this whole thing. | There was a lot more scenes for this whole thing. |
208 | 00:09:56,888 | 00:09:58,847 | I remember writing versions of this | I remember writing versions of this |
209 | 00:09:58,931 | 00:10:02,267 | and how I tried to convey what Hera was trying to do | and how I tried to convey what Hera was trying to do |
210 | 00:10:02,351 | 00:10:06,814 | and the details of it versus what wound up in the final version. | and the details of it versus what wound up in the final version. |
211 | 00:10:06,898 | 00:10:08,608 | But you only have so much time. | But you only have so much time. |
212 | 00:10:08,858 | 00:10:12,403 | So I had to keep cutting stuff down, you know. | So I had to keep cutting stuff down, you know. |
213 | 00:10:12,528 | 00:10:15,739 | And that's the only shot you get of that big machine, | And that's the only shot you get of that big machine, |
214 | 00:10:15,823 | 00:10:17,950 | that foreshadows what happens in the end with Chopper. | that foreshadows what happens in the end with Chopper. |
215 | 00:10:18,034 | 00:10:19,327 | In the end, yeah. | In the end, yeah. |
216 | 00:10:20,203 | 00:10:22,455 | Did you do anything for the stepping? | Did you do anything for the stepping? |
217 | 00:10:22,663 | 00:10:24,498 | Yeah, we have the steps so, | Yeah, we have the steps so, |
218 | 00:10:24,582 | 00:10:27,000 | steps as well we've seen in previous episodes | steps as well we've seen in previous episodes |
219 | 00:10:27,084 | 00:10:29,169 | - when it's the wolf in that. - Oh, that's right. | - when it's the wolf in that. - Oh, that's right. |
220 | 00:10:29,253 | 00:10:31,088 | - Yeah. - Oh, that's right. | - Yeah. - Oh, that's right. |
221 | 00:10:31,172 | 00:10:34,091 | So everything always calls back. | So everything always calls back. |
222 | 00:10:34,425 | 00:10:36,927 | See, there's a little thing I put up there, | See, there's a little thing I put up there, |
223 | 00:10:37,011 | 00:10:38,471 | if people notice it. | if people notice it. |
224 | 00:10:38,679 | 00:10:40,764 | The creatures from episode eight. | The creatures from episode eight. |
225 | 00:10:40,848 | 00:10:41,849 | Is it the fathier at the back? | Is it the fathier at the back? |
226 | 00:10:41,933 | 00:10:45,228 | Yeah, the fathier. I put that in there for Rian. | Yeah, the fathier. I put that in there for Rian. |
227 | 00:10:45,561 | 00:10:47,271 | Because I had been out visiting and seen his creatures. | Because I had been out visiting and seen his creatures. |
228 | 00:10:47,355 | 00:10:50,055 | They're actually on either side of a doorway earlier... | They're actually on either side of a doorway earlier... |
229 | 00:10:50,566 | 00:10:52,067 | as a nod to him. | as a nod to him. |
230 | 00:10:52,151 | 00:10:57,114 | There are ways those who have passed on may still guide or influence the living. | There are ways those who have passed on may still guide or influence the living. |
231 | 00:10:57,198 | 00:10:58,866 | It's not impossible. | It's not impossible. |
232 | 00:10:58,950 | 00:11:00,492 | But if it was Kanan... | But if it was Kanan... |
233 | 00:11:00,576 | 00:11:02,369 | And that wolf constellation | And that wolf constellation |
234 | 00:11:02,453 | 00:11:04,538 | actually just happened to be there in the sky at the... | actually just happened to be there in the sky at the... |
235 | 00:11:04,622 | 00:11:06,498 | It wasn't even pre-planned. | It wasn't even pre-planned. |
236 | 00:11:06,582 | 00:11:08,417 | - Because this whole scene... - What? Really? | - Because this whole scene... - What? Really? |
237 | 00:11:08,501 | 00:11:11,838 | Yeah. This whole scene I wrote after I saw the first... | Yeah. This whole scene I wrote after I saw the first... |
238 | 00:11:13,130 | 00:11:16,842 | you know, complete cut, once I had gotten it back. | you know, complete cut, once I had gotten it back. |
239 | 00:11:16,926 | 00:11:19,386 | And I thought, boy, it doesn't work, I don't... | And I thought, boy, it doesn't work, I don't... |
240 | 00:11:19,470 | 00:11:22,347 | I wasn't emotionally connecting what was going on in this whole scene, | I wasn't emotionally connecting what was going on in this whole scene, |
241 | 00:11:22,431 | 00:11:24,683 | so I trashed it, | so I trashed it, |
242 | 00:11:24,767 | 00:11:28,521 | and I think I called, in this episode, oh, my gosh. | and I think I called, in this episode, oh, my gosh. |
243 | 00:11:28,771 | 00:11:31,482 | It must have been close to 30-some new shots, | It must have been close to 30-some new shots, |
244 | 00:11:31,566 | 00:11:33,568 | and I rewrote all the dialogue... | and I rewrote all the dialogue... |
245 | 00:11:34,277 | 00:11:39,156 | Ashley and Taylor had to go and record this scene. | Ashley and Taylor had to go and record this scene. |
246 | 00:11:39,240 | 00:11:43,702 | I think we did this specific sequence at least five times | I think we did this specific sequence at least five times |
247 | 00:11:43,786 | 00:11:47,748 | as I worked out how to get the most out of this. | as I worked out how to get the most out of this. |
248 | 00:11:47,832 | 00:11:51,418 | And now, the final version had Kanan's voice leading... | And now, the final version had Kanan's voice leading... |
249 | 00:11:51,502 | 00:11:53,671 | - Yeah. - ...you through this chasm... | - Yeah. - ...you through this chasm... |
250 | 00:11:54,005 | 00:11:56,841 | which it didn't have for a while. | which it didn't have for a while. |
251 | 00:11:57,133 | 00:11:59,844 | And I didn't even have where you could see him again. | And I didn't even have where you could see him again. |
252 | 00:12:00,219 | 00:12:02,513 | Originally I did not have that. | Originally I did not have that. |
253 | 00:12:02,597 | 00:12:06,975 | It just became apparent that you really need to remember | It just became apparent that you really need to remember |
254 | 00:12:07,059 | 00:12:08,560 | exactly what they're talking about, | exactly what they're talking about, |
255 | 00:12:08,644 | 00:12:10,062 | and the best way to do that is to see this. | and the best way to do that is to see this. |
256 | 00:12:10,146 | 00:12:12,898 | And my thought was that as they're... | And my thought was that as they're... |
257 | 00:12:12,982 | 00:12:15,567 | As Ezra especially is being emotional about things, | As Ezra especially is being emotional about things, |
258 | 00:12:15,651 | 00:12:17,402 | and specifically Kanan, | and specifically Kanan, |
259 | 00:12:17,486 | 00:12:20,656 | that's what the world here is presenting to him, | that's what the world here is presenting to him, |
260 | 00:12:20,740 | 00:12:23,743 | is these moments that he's thinking about. | is these moments that he's thinking about. |
261 | 00:12:24,243 | 00:12:26,203 | But it really becomes, | But it really becomes, |
262 | 00:12:26,287 | 00:12:28,455 | you know, about this idea of doing something | you know, about this idea of doing something |
263 | 00:12:28,539 | 00:12:30,123 | because you want it to happen, | because you want it to happen, |
264 | 00:12:30,207 | 00:12:32,376 | doing something for yourself, | doing something for yourself, |
265 | 00:12:32,543 | 00:12:35,671 | even if it seems like it's a kind act, | even if it seems like it's a kind act, |
266 | 00:12:35,755 | 00:12:39,634 | you know, to save your friend, my gosh, what could be a better thing to do? | you know, to save your friend, my gosh, what could be a better thing to do? |
267 | 00:12:40,092 | 00:12:43,095 | But, in the end, it's perhaps a selfish thing. | But, in the end, it's perhaps a selfish thing. |
268 | 00:12:43,179 | 00:12:45,472 | You see this explored with Anakin | You see this explored with Anakin |
269 | 00:12:45,556 | 00:12:48,725 | when he's trying to save Padmé, save his wife, and yet, | when he's trying to save Padmé, save his wife, and yet, |
270 | 00:12:48,809 | 00:12:51,603 | he's not giving any thought | he's not giving any thought |
271 | 00:12:51,687 | 00:12:55,191 | to her own agency and her own ability to save herself. | to her own agency and her own ability to save herself. |
272 | 00:12:55,399 | 00:12:58,110 | And in doing so, he brings everything toppling down. | And in doing so, he brings everything toppling down. |
273 | 00:12:58,194 | 00:13:01,530 | So, it's a challenge in this scene | So, it's a challenge in this scene |
274 | 00:13:01,614 | 00:13:02,614 | because I talked to them | because I talked to them |
275 | 00:13:02,698 | 00:13:06,159 | about how it's a big hand-off, too, for Ahsoka | about how it's a big hand-off, too, for Ahsoka |
276 | 00:13:06,243 | 00:13:10,039 | to take up this mentoring moment for Kanan. | to take up this mentoring moment for Kanan. |
277 | 00:13:10,247 | 00:13:12,165 | It's something that I think that Kanan, | It's something that I think that Kanan, |
278 | 00:13:12,249 | 00:13:13,709 | besides just bringing... | besides just bringing... |
279 | 00:13:13,793 | 00:13:16,503 | Saving Ahsoka in some ways, | Saving Ahsoka in some ways, |
280 | 00:13:16,587 | 00:13:20,466 | getting her out of that spot that they all got into on Malachor. | getting her out of that spot that they all got into on Malachor. |
281 | 00:13:20,591 | 00:13:25,971 | She becomes a real mentor in this moment to this boy, | She becomes a real mentor in this moment to this boy, |
282 | 00:13:26,055 | 00:13:30,685 | and lifts him up through kind of a dark moment. | and lifts him up through kind of a dark moment. |
283 | 00:13:31,018 | 00:13:34,897 | And this is where he has a realization about what | And this is where he has a realization about what |
284 | 00:13:34,981 | 00:13:38,567 | the real destiny of being a selfless person is, | the real destiny of being a selfless person is, |
285 | 00:13:38,651 | 00:13:40,861 | and how to really let go of things, | and how to really let go of things, |
286 | 00:13:40,945 | 00:13:42,738 | and it's a difficult choice. | and it's a difficult choice. |
287 | 00:13:43,155 | 00:13:44,990 | And this line, | And this line, |
288 | 00:13:45,074 | 00:13:46,491 | "I wish I could be with my parents, | "I wish I could be with my parents, |
289 | 00:13:46,575 | 00:13:47,993 | I wish I could be with my mom and dad, | I wish I could be with my mom and dad, |
290 | 00:13:48,077 | 00:13:49,536 | why couldn't things be like they were," | why couldn't things be like they were," |
291 | 00:13:49,620 | 00:13:53,374 | was really reacting to, of course, you feel that way, that's very real. | was really reacting to, of course, you feel that way, that's very real. |
292 | 00:13:53,499 | 00:13:55,292 | When difficult things happen, | When difficult things happen, |
293 | 00:13:55,376 | 00:13:58,421 | and when you hear that... This is a spoiler a bit, but... | and when you hear that... This is a spoiler a bit, but... |
294 | 00:13:58,587 | 00:14:00,464 | When you hear the thunderbolt | When you hear the thunderbolt |
295 | 00:14:00,673 | 00:14:03,050 | it's letting you know that, like, okay, you spoke the truth, | it's letting you know that, like, okay, you spoke the truth, |
296 | 00:14:03,134 | 00:14:04,968 | and maybe bad things heard you. | and maybe bad things heard you. |
297 | 00:14:05,052 | 00:14:06,803 | And that's what this is about. | And that's what this is about. |
298 | 00:14:06,887 | 00:14:08,388 | And then we did the cool thing with Freddie here. | And then we did the cool thing with Freddie here. |
299 | 00:14:08,472 | 00:14:10,516 | Yeah. This is cool when... | Yeah. This is cool when... |
300 | 00:14:10,891 | 00:14:13,477 | he tempts him to turn around, | he tempts him to turn around, |
301 | 00:14:13,561 | 00:14:17,856 | which is Freddie's voice then into Palpatine's. | which is Freddie's voice then into Palpatine's. |
302 | 00:14:17,940 | 00:14:20,317 | Yeah, McDiarmid, yeah, I had them say the same line. | Yeah, McDiarmid, yeah, I had them say the same line. |
303 | 00:14:20,401 | 00:14:22,027 | Freddie was real excited about that. | Freddie was real excited about that. |
304 | 00:14:22,111 | 00:14:24,988 | I said, "I want you to say this line just like the Emperor does." | I said, "I want you to say this line just like the Emperor does." |
305 | 00:14:25,072 | 00:14:27,115 | And so it's Kanan's voice into the Emperor. | And so it's Kanan's voice into the Emperor. |
306 | 00:14:27,199 | 00:14:29,493 | And then you wonder, is it the Emperor | And then you wonder, is it the Emperor |
307 | 00:14:29,577 | 00:14:30,535 | that's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? | that's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? |
308 | 00:14:30,619 | 00:14:33,413 | That's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? | That's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? |
309 | 00:14:33,497 | 00:14:35,499 | Because maybe that whole thing is a trap. | Because maybe that whole thing is a trap. |
310 | 00:14:35,583 | 00:14:38,085 | So, again, you're just never sure. | So, again, you're just never sure. |
311 | 00:14:38,586 | 00:14:40,295 | Oh, you have to talk about the thing you did here | Oh, you have to talk about the thing you did here |
312 | 00:14:40,379 | 00:14:41,630 | because I loved this. | because I loved this. |
313 | 00:14:41,922 | 00:14:43,549 | This is all you guys. | This is all you guys. |
314 | 00:14:45,384 | 00:14:48,471 | The secret code. Yeah, the knock. | The secret code. Yeah, the knock. |
315 | 00:14:48,596 | 00:14:51,848 | You might recognize the rhythm of the knock here. | You might recognize the rhythm of the knock here. |
316 | 00:14:51,932 | 00:14:54,769 | We had some fun, which we... | We had some fun, which we... |
317 | 00:14:56,145 | 00:14:59,231 | Generally something is always a throwback, | Generally something is always a throwback, |
318 | 00:14:59,315 | 00:15:03,152 | or a nod to, or just a nerd moment for sound. | or a nod to, or just a nerd moment for sound. |
319 | 00:15:04,904 | 00:15:07,823 | And for this, Zeb's tap, his signal, | And for this, Zeb's tap, his signal, |
320 | 00:15:07,907 | 00:15:10,492 | is the Star Wars... Is the theme tune. | is the Star Wars... Is the theme tune. |
321 | 00:15:10,576 | 00:15:14,038 | You can probably hear it and sing along with it as it goes. | You can probably hear it and sing along with it as it goes. |
322 | 00:15:14,830 | 00:15:16,040 | It's really great. | It's really great. |
323 | 00:15:16,248 | 00:15:18,917 | I didn't even notice it the first time you guys did it. | I didn't even notice it the first time you guys did it. |
324 | 00:15:19,001 | 00:15:21,504 | But it is the theme to Star Wars... | But it is the theme to Star Wars... |
325 | 00:15:21,670 | 00:15:23,380 | As you tap it out. Yeah. | As you tap it out. Yeah. |
326 | 00:15:24,173 | 00:15:28,260 | And it works. I mean, you don't really think about it at all when you hear it, | And it works. I mean, you don't really think about it at all when you hear it, |
327 | 00:15:28,344 | 00:15:30,596 | you can finally hear it. But... | you can finally hear it. But... |
328 | 00:15:31,263 | 00:15:35,726 | These things they're in were actually a reuse from Clone Wars. | These things they're in were actually a reuse from Clone Wars. |
329 | 00:15:35,810 | 00:15:38,020 | I designed those vehicles for that. | I designed those vehicles for that. |
330 | 00:15:38,354 | 00:15:41,273 | Now this was something... I've seen lots of lightning, | Now this was something... I've seen lots of lightning, |
331 | 00:15:41,357 | 00:15:43,025 | I thought, why not fire? | I thought, why not fire? |
332 | 00:15:43,109 | 00:15:48,071 | Fire seems, you know, in some ways all-consuming and menacing, | Fire seems, you know, in some ways all-consuming and menacing, |
333 | 00:15:48,155 | 00:15:50,866 | and so I had envisioned this idea. | and so I had envisioned this idea. |
334 | 00:15:50,991 | 00:15:53,493 | I gave Joel and the effects team | I gave Joel and the effects team |
335 | 00:15:53,577 | 00:15:56,163 | a whole lot of, you know, | a whole lot of, you know, |
336 | 00:15:56,247 | 00:15:58,999 | trial and error here to get the fire. But they did so brilliantly. | trial and error here to get the fire. But they did so brilliantly. |
337 | 00:15:59,083 | 00:16:00,167 | Joel knows it. | Joel knows it. |
338 | 00:16:00,251 | 00:16:02,085 | I was very specific with animation | I was very specific with animation |
339 | 00:16:02,169 | 00:16:04,839 | about how Palpatine can't really come through this | about how Palpatine can't really come through this |
340 | 00:16:05,131 | 00:16:06,298 | unless he's connected. | unless he's connected. |
341 | 00:16:06,382 | 00:16:08,258 | So we had to have the fire a certain way | So we had to have the fire a certain way |
342 | 00:16:08,342 | 00:16:10,261 | when it releases from the portal. | when it releases from the portal. |
343 | 00:16:10,427 | 00:16:11,720 | And if you look at the base of the fire, | And if you look at the base of the fire, |
344 | 00:16:11,804 | 00:16:14,181 | it's actually disintegrating the lines of the walkways, | it's actually disintegrating the lines of the walkways, |
345 | 00:16:14,265 | 00:16:17,476 | which also adds to some of the desperation. | which also adds to some of the desperation. |
346 | 00:16:17,643 | 00:16:20,437 | And sound-nerdy there, | And sound-nerdy there, |
347 | 00:16:20,521 | 00:16:23,440 | we took from when the Emperor does fall down the shaft. | we took from when the Emperor does fall down the shaft. |
348 | 00:16:23,524 | 00:16:24,524 | Uh-huh. | Uh-huh. |
349 | 00:16:24,608 | 00:16:27,194 | And we used the sound that Ben created for that, | And we used the sound that Ben created for that, |
350 | 00:16:27,278 | 00:16:29,154 | and we incorporated it into that. | and we incorporated it into that. |
351 | 00:16:29,238 | 00:16:30,989 | - In which part? - The blue... | - In which part? - The blue... |
352 | 00:16:31,073 | 00:16:34,117 | When he falls down the shaft, like, in Jedi, so... | When he falls down the shaft, like, in Jedi, so... |
353 | 00:16:34,201 | 00:16:35,660 | For when he's screeching. | For when he's screeching. |
354 | 00:16:35,744 | 00:16:39,539 | We added a lot of him screaming and cackling. | We added a lot of him screaming and cackling. |
355 | 00:16:39,623 | 00:16:42,084 | The more screaming, cackling Palpatine is as the Emperor, | The more screaming, cackling Palpatine is as the Emperor, |
356 | 00:16:42,168 | 00:16:43,368 | - the better off. - Yeah. | - the better off. - Yeah. |
357 | 00:16:43,460 | 00:16:44,836 | The more evil. | The more evil. |
358 | 00:16:44,920 | 00:16:46,963 | - But just this idea of his fury. - But you're right, it ties in, | - But just this idea of his fury. - But you're right, it ties in, |
359 | 00:16:47,047 | 00:16:51,676 | you feel his anger and desperation. | you feel his anger and desperation. |
360 | 00:16:51,760 | 00:16:53,345 | His rage, yeah. | His rage, yeah. |
361 | 00:16:53,888 | 00:16:55,305 | I like when he says, "Help me." | I like when he says, "Help me." |
362 | 00:16:55,389 | 00:16:57,725 | - Ian's so good at those lines. - Ooh. | - Ian's so good at those lines. - Ooh. |
363 | 00:16:57,933 | 00:16:59,143 | So good. | So good. |
364 | 00:16:59,351 | 00:17:01,853 | And I had to see Ahsoka's lightsabers in one moment here, | And I had to see Ahsoka's lightsabers in one moment here, |
365 | 00:17:01,937 | 00:17:05,148 | so I devised this moment just so she could turn them on. | so I devised this moment just so she could turn them on. |
366 | 00:17:05,232 | 00:17:07,359 | Because I love those lightsabers. | Because I love those lightsabers. |
367 | 00:17:07,818 | 00:17:09,862 | They're my favorite lightsabers. | They're my favorite lightsabers. |
368 | 00:17:10,696 | 00:17:14,157 | And this is like a promise here when Ezra says, | And this is like a promise here when Ezra says, |
369 | 00:17:14,241 | 00:17:16,243 | "When you get back, come and find me." | "When you get back, come and find me." |
370 | 00:17:16,327 | 00:17:19,079 | And she says, "I will." And I don't think people realized, | And she says, "I will." And I don't think people realized, |
371 | 00:17:19,163 | 00:17:20,831 | what I was trying to set up there | what I was trying to set up there |
372 | 00:17:20,915 | 00:17:23,250 | which she does come back before the end of the show. | which she does come back before the end of the show. |
373 | 00:17:23,334 | 00:17:26,795 | The last minute, but... Spoilers there. She does come back. | The last minute, but... Spoilers there. She does come back. |
374 | 00:17:27,213 | 00:17:31,133 | And this was fun, to see her go down the triangle doorway | And this was fun, to see her go down the triangle doorway |
375 | 00:17:31,217 | 00:17:34,178 | that's probably, hopefully ending some debates. | that's probably, hopefully ending some debates. |
376 | 00:17:34,428 | 00:17:36,263 | - Yeah. - As to was it her in the doorway? | - Yeah. - As to was it her in the doorway? |
377 | 00:17:36,347 | 00:17:38,265 | Which I always thought, of course, it's her. | Which I always thought, of course, it's her. |
378 | 00:17:38,349 | 00:17:42,228 | But I guess I have an advantage there to know these things. | But I guess I have an advantage there to know these things. |
379 | 00:17:44,355 | 00:17:45,564 | The fire was fun. | The fire was fun. |
380 | 00:17:45,648 | 00:17:49,067 | And leading up to these doorways where they hit the wall, | And leading up to these doorways where they hit the wall, |
381 | 00:17:49,151 | 00:17:51,153 | making this a tense beat | making this a tense beat |
382 | 00:17:51,237 | 00:17:53,781 | was a lot of sound design up to that moment. | was a lot of sound design up to that moment. |
383 | 00:17:54,031 | 00:17:56,032 | What do you do for fire hitting a magic doorway? | What do you do for fire hitting a magic doorway? |
384 | 00:17:56,116 | 00:17:59,203 | Cutting it through. It's a lot of trial and error. | Cutting it through. It's a lot of trial and error. |
385 | 00:17:59,328 | 00:18:00,371 | - Really? - Yeah. | - Really? - Yeah. |
386 | 00:18:00,496 | 00:18:02,164 | I mean, that's the good thing about this | I mean, that's the good thing about this |
387 | 00:18:02,248 | 00:18:03,707 | is that you can do a bunch of things in your room | is that you can do a bunch of things in your room |
388 | 00:18:03,791 | 00:18:04,959 | that nobody hears. | that nobody hears. |
389 | 00:18:05,459 | 00:18:07,544 | And that you laugh at or sometimes cry at. | And that you laugh at or sometimes cry at. |
390 | 00:18:07,628 | 00:18:10,464 | And then you come back to it. | And then you come back to it. |
391 | 00:18:11,548 | 00:18:16,219 | Then we have just the regular old laser blasts cutting through, but... | Then we have just the regular old laser blasts cutting through, but... |
392 | 00:18:16,303 | 00:18:17,846 | This is one of those moments now | This is one of those moments now |
393 | 00:18:17,930 | 00:18:20,223 | where we get into the painting that | where we get into the painting that |
394 | 00:18:20,307 | 00:18:23,768 | we flipped the whole idea here, and it becomes about the music. | we flipped the whole idea here, and it becomes about the music. |
395 | 00:18:23,852 | 00:18:25,478 | - Yeah. - And this is where | - Yeah. - And this is where |
396 | 00:18:25,562 | 00:18:28,481 | I really believe Kevin Kiner's music which... | I really believe Kevin Kiner's music which... |
397 | 00:18:28,565 | 00:18:32,277 | Boy, Kevin just rules the day in all of Season 4, but... | Boy, Kevin just rules the day in all of Season 4, but... |
398 | 00:18:32,361 | 00:18:33,486 | - Yeah. - In these episodes | - Yeah. - In these episodes |
399 | 00:18:33,570 | 00:18:36,156 | especially he creates some very unique music. | especially he creates some very unique music. |
400 | 00:18:36,407 | 00:18:40,494 | And it's just all about letting that emotionally take over the scene. | And it's just all about letting that emotionally take over the scene. |
401 | 00:18:43,455 | 00:18:45,332 | I mean, effects-wise here, | I mean, effects-wise here, |
402 | 00:18:45,416 | 00:18:48,043 | we're using a lot of the Mortis planet stuff. | we're using a lot of the Mortis planet stuff. |
403 | 00:18:48,127 | 00:18:49,169 | Yeah. | Yeah. |
404 | 00:18:49,253 | 00:18:50,545 | Well, and then we put Sam in right here. | Well, and then we put Sam in right here. |
405 | 00:18:50,629 | 00:18:52,297 | - We have Sam in here. - I had to put Sam in... | - We have Sam in here. - I had to put Sam in... |
406 | 00:18:52,381 | 00:18:54,007 | - Yeah. - Because, you know, it makes his day. | - Yeah. - Because, you know, it makes his day. |
407 | 00:18:54,091 | 00:18:55,926 | Well, 'cause we have the father and the daughter. | Well, 'cause we have the father and the daughter. |
408 | 00:18:56,010 | 00:18:57,135 | Yeah, I know. | Yeah, I know. |
409 | 00:18:57,219 | 00:18:58,720 | - No, we had to put Sam in... - Yeah. | - No, we had to put Sam in... - Yeah. |
410 | 00:18:58,804 | 00:19:01,765 | Because he wouldn't let me hear about it if I didn't put him in, so. | Because he wouldn't let me hear about it if I didn't put him in, so. |
411 | 00:19:01,849 | 00:19:04,393 | But he was brilliant as the son. | But he was brilliant as the son. |
412 | 00:19:04,727 | 00:19:06,144 | And all this painting, | And all this painting, |
413 | 00:19:06,228 | 00:19:11,358 | this was done brilliantly by my friends over at Ghostbot Studios, | this was done brilliantly by my friends over at Ghostbot Studios, |
414 | 00:19:11,442 | 00:19:13,443 | who I had been wanting to work with for a long time. | who I had been wanting to work with for a long time. |
415 | 00:19:13,527 | 00:19:16,655 | Brad Rau did some episodic director work for us on Rebels, | Brad Rau did some episodic director work for us on Rebels, |
416 | 00:19:16,739 | 00:19:18,949 | and they were a great team to work with, | and they were a great team to work with, |
417 | 00:19:19,033 | 00:19:21,243 | to do that 2D animation | to do that 2D animation |
418 | 00:19:21,327 | 00:19:23,453 | which I've been trying to get in the show a long time, so... | which I've been trying to get in the show a long time, so... |
419 | 00:19:23,537 | 00:19:24,830 | It looks fantastic. | It looks fantastic. |
420 | 00:19:25,080 | 00:19:26,415 | - It's very cool. - Yeah. | - It's very cool. - Yeah. |
421 | 00:19:27,624 | 00:19:29,042 | And there's a plethora... | And there's a plethora... |
422 | 00:19:29,126 | 00:19:32,776 | This is just an overload of sound and music, and lights and effects and... | This is just an overload of sound and music, and lights and effects and... |
423 | 00:19:33,964 | 00:19:35,465 | - The wolves are howling there. - This is a... | - The wolves are howling there. - This is a... |
424 | 00:19:35,549 | 00:19:36,842 | It's a movie happening. | It's a movie happening. |
425 | 00:19:39,219 | 00:19:40,554 | I hope so. | I hope so. |
426 | 00:19:41,430 | 00:19:43,473 | And this is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. | And this is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. |
427 | 00:19:43,557 | 00:19:47,353 | It had to build in the way that a lot of... | It had to build in the way that a lot of... |
428 | 00:19:47,686 | 00:19:50,022 | you know, climactic... | you know, climactic... |
429 | 00:19:50,439 | 00:19:54,568 | movies or opera that my father would have us listen to. | movies or opera that my father would have us listen to. |
430 | 00:19:54,693 | 00:19:59,990 | I just wanted this almost wall of music and sound to hit like a big convergence, | I just wanted this almost wall of music and sound to hit like a big convergence, |
431 | 00:20:00,074 | 00:20:02,200 | like something out of Close Encounters, too, | like something out of Close Encounters, too, |
432 | 00:20:02,284 | 00:20:04,494 | when you think of the music there, and how big it gets, | when you think of the music there, and how big it gets, |
433 | 00:20:04,578 | 00:20:06,580 | and how uplifting it becomes. | and how uplifting it becomes. |
434 | 00:20:06,830 | 00:20:08,331 | And it was great, ts direction was, | And it was great, ts direction was, |
435 | 00:20:08,415 | 00:20:10,292 | because the characters are actually shouting. | because the characters are actually shouting. |
436 | 00:20:10,376 | 00:20:13,670 | So you can afford to have it all going on, which is cool. | So you can afford to have it all going on, which is cool. |
437 | 00:20:13,837 | 00:20:16,131 | I've gotten better at that over time. | I've gotten better at that over time. |
438 | 00:20:16,215 | 00:20:19,676 | I always know you can make them yell louder. | I always know you can make them yell louder. |
439 | 00:20:19,760 | 00:20:21,303 | Now that was a moment because, you know, | Now that was a moment because, you know, |
440 | 00:20:21,387 | 00:20:24,389 | that was the last line that Freddie has in this series. | that was the last line that Freddie has in this series. |
441 | 00:20:24,473 | 00:20:26,100 | - Yeah. - The last line. | - Yeah. - The last line. |
442 | 00:20:27,017 | 00:20:28,601 | And Freddie was brilliant as Kanan. | And Freddie was brilliant as Kanan. |
443 | 00:20:28,685 | 00:20:30,061 | He really brought that character to life. | He really brought that character to life. |
444 | 00:20:30,145 | 00:20:32,689 | All our actors are brilliant, but it was a... | All our actors are brilliant, but it was a... |
445 | 00:20:32,856 | 00:20:35,256 | It's a funny moment to realize, then he was done. | It's a funny moment to realize, then he was done. |
446 | 00:20:39,113 | 00:20:43,616 | This scene was special because when we were shooting it, | This scene was special because when we were shooting it, |
447 | 00:20:43,700 | 00:20:45,702 | I wanted it to echo... | I wanted it to echo... |
448 | 00:20:46,745 | 00:20:50,290 | the first time Kanan and Ezra came to this temple. | the first time Kanan and Ezra came to this temple. |
449 | 00:20:50,791 | 00:20:53,752 | So you see that many of these shots, setups... | So you see that many of these shots, setups... |
450 | 00:20:54,211 | 00:20:56,421 | are very close to or similar to | are very close to or similar to |
451 | 00:20:56,505 | 00:20:59,424 | when Kanan and Ezra are standing in the same place, | when Kanan and Ezra are standing in the same place, |
452 | 00:20:59,508 | 00:21:01,510 | right down to the position of... | right down to the position of... |
453 | 00:21:02,803 | 00:21:06,181 | a ship behind them, whether it be the Phantom... | a ship behind them, whether it be the Phantom... |
454 | 00:21:08,725 | 00:21:10,936 | or this mining, drilling machine they stole. | or this mining, drilling machine they stole. |
455 | 00:21:11,186 | 00:21:13,605 | But I think it's an important thing | But I think it's an important thing |
456 | 00:21:13,689 | 00:21:17,567 | that he's standing there at one point with his father figure, | that he's standing there at one point with his father figure, |
457 | 00:21:17,651 | 00:21:20,151 | and now he's standing there with his mother figure. | and now he's standing there with his mother figure. |
458 | 00:21:20,654 | 00:21:22,280 | I think especially for the two of them | I think especially for the two of them |
459 | 00:21:22,364 | 00:21:24,450 | to find some type of closure... | to find some type of closure... |
460 | 00:21:25,033 | 00:21:27,035 | with the loss of... | with the loss of... |
461 | 00:21:27,494 | 00:21:29,204 | you know, this person that meant so much to them. | you know, this person that meant so much to them. |
462 | 00:21:29,288 | 00:21:31,748 | And that's really what the last four episodes have been about, | And that's really what the last four episodes have been about, |
463 | 00:21:31,832 | 00:21:35,919 | is closure for the characters... | is closure for the characters... |
464 | 00:21:36,253 | 00:21:40,215 | for people watching this show, that the kids understand the value of... | for people watching this show, that the kids understand the value of... |
465 | 00:21:41,175 | 00:21:42,842 | a person... | a person... |
466 | 00:21:42,926 | 00:21:46,221 | When they care about somebody, how you can get through that. | When they care about somebody, how you can get through that. |
467 | 00:21:47,389 | 00:21:51,185 | I think it's a nice moment for these two to share. | I think it's a nice moment for these two to share. |
468 | 00:21:52,561 | 00:21:54,354 | And then this final farewell. | And then this final farewell. |
469 | 00:21:54,521 | 00:21:59,484 | This in a way is the ending of an act, of a big movement | This in a way is the ending of an act, of a big movement |
470 | 00:21:59,568 | 00:22:02,029 | of Star Wars Rebels... | of Star Wars Rebels... |
471 | 00:22:02,738 | 00:22:05,782 | where we, Ezra now is ready to step forward, | where we, Ezra now is ready to step forward, |
472 | 00:22:05,866 | 00:22:07,617 | as are all the characters | as are all the characters |
473 | 00:22:07,701 | 00:22:10,495 | with who they can ultimately become and what they ultimately need to do. | with who they can ultimately become and what they ultimately need to do. |
474 | 00:22:10,579 | 00:22:12,330 | We're all saying goodbye to Kanan. | We're all saying goodbye to Kanan. |
475 | 00:22:12,414 | 00:22:15,083 | They are, yeah. It was hard for you. | They are, yeah. It was hard for you. |
476 | 00:22:15,167 | 00:22:16,292 | It was hard for you. | It was hard for you. |
477 | 00:22:16,376 | 00:22:17,836 | I always know when an episode's working | I always know when an episode's working |
478 | 00:22:17,920 | 00:22:21,548 | because you and Tracy get emotional first. | because you and Tracy get emotional first. |
479 | 00:22:22,716 | 00:22:24,760 | It's always a good sign. | It's always a good sign. |
480 | 00:22:25,010 | 00:22:27,011 | It's a nice long shot to end on, you know. | It's a nice long shot to end on, you know. |
481 | 00:22:27,095 | 00:22:29,222 | I mean, it doesn't even go into the credit music. | I mean, it doesn't even go into the credit music. |
482 | 00:22:29,306 | 00:22:30,974 | It goes into some sad music. | It goes into some sad music. |
483 | 00:22:31,058 | 00:22:34,269 | I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. | I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. |
484 | 00:22:34,353 | 00:22:37,303 | I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. | I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. |
485 | 00:22:37,481 | 00:22:39,566 | I think in the end, it's kind of uplifting, | I think in the end, it's kind of uplifting, |
486 | 00:22:39,650 | 00:22:41,193 | and there you go. | and there you go. |
487 | 00:22:41,527 | 00:22:45,363 | There's so many things. I could watch that episode 20 times in a row | There's so many things. I could watch that episode 20 times in a row |
488 | 00:22:45,447 | 00:22:49,242 | and tell you different stuff every time we're watching it | and tell you different stuff every time we're watching it |
489 | 00:22:49,326 | 00:22:50,994 | because we just... We packed it in there. | because we just... We packed it in there. |
490 | 00:22:51,078 | 00:22:52,495 | Yeah. There's a lot going on. | Yeah. There's a lot going on. |
491 | 00:22:52,579 | 00:22:54,372 | And you guys in sound did a brilliant job. | And you guys in sound did a brilliant job. |
492 | 00:22:54,456 | 00:22:58,042 | You guys always exceed whatever my expectation is. | You guys always exceed whatever my expectation is. |
493 | 00:22:58,126 | 00:22:59,169 | You guys crush it. | You guys crush it. |
494 | 00:22:59,253 | 00:23:01,588 | We have a lot to work with, so it helps. | We have a lot to work with, so it helps. |
495 | 00:23:01,672 | 00:23:03,340 | Well, there you go. | Well, there you go. |