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1 00:00:01,751 00:00:06,715 Hello, I am Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels. Hello, I am Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels.
2 00:00:07,174 00:00:08,382 And I'm Bonnie Wild, And I'm Bonnie Wild,
3 00:00:08,466 00:00:11,761 the sound editor and re-recording mixer at Skywalker Ranch. the sound editor and re-recording mixer at Skywalker Ranch.
4 00:00:12,512 00:00:14,180 Also on Star Wars Rebels. Also on Star Wars Rebels.
5 00:00:14,264 00:00:15,724 Also on Star Wars Rebels. Also on Star Wars Rebels.
6 00:00:17,893 00:00:20,854 So, I don't even know... So, I don't even know...
7 00:00:21,271 00:00:25,525 where it occurred to me to do this thing with these voices, where it occurred to me to do this thing with these voices,
8 00:00:25,609 00:00:29,404 but I was interested in trying to... but I was interested in trying to...
9 00:00:30,030 00:00:34,367 tie all of the films together in some way. tie all of the films together in some way.
10 00:00:34,451 00:00:38,746 And I was trying to build this bigger concept of what the Force is, And I was trying to build this bigger concept of what the Force is,
11 00:00:38,830 00:00:41,916 and how it works, not necessarily what the space is, and how it works, not necessarily what the space is,
12 00:00:42,000 00:00:44,335 but just all the ideas of the Force but just all the ideas of the Force
13 00:00:44,419 00:00:46,170 that George had created over the years that George had created over the years
14 00:00:46,254 00:00:49,257 with things he had taught me on Clone Wars, with things he had taught me on Clone Wars,
15 00:00:49,341 00:00:52,677 and give Ezra some really... and give Ezra some really...
16 00:00:53,011 00:00:55,222 kind of transcendent experience... kind of transcendent experience...
17 00:00:55,555 00:00:58,349 something that would make the audience something that would make the audience
18 00:00:58,433 00:01:01,227 feel like they're getting some big answer feel like they're getting some big answer
19 00:01:01,311 00:01:02,728 to what the Force is, to what the Force is,
20 00:01:02,812 00:01:05,565 or that you would feel more what the Force is. or that you would feel more what the Force is.
21 00:01:05,649 00:01:07,483 So really, these images, I think, So really, these images, I think,
22 00:01:07,567 00:01:09,193 play at things that play at things that
23 00:01:09,277 00:01:12,029 I imagined growing up as a Star Wars fan, I imagined growing up as a Star Wars fan,
24 00:01:12,113 00:01:15,450 that I imagined as some big connective universe... that I imagined as some big connective universe...
25 00:01:15,909 00:01:17,535 and it's all and it's all
26 00:01:17,786 00:01:20,663 derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid
27 00:01:20,747 00:01:22,623 derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid derived from things that I was inspired by as a kid
28 00:01:22,707 00:01:26,627 when it's more of a magic time and a time of wonder in your life, when it's more of a magic time and a time of wonder in your life,
29 00:01:26,711 00:01:28,921 and that's what, in some ways, and that's what, in some ways,
30 00:01:29,005 00:01:32,217 the world between worlds is really trying to capture. the world between worlds is really trying to capture.
31 00:01:33,551 00:01:38,890 And sound would play an instrumental role in this whole episode. And sound would play an instrumental role in this whole episode.
32 00:01:40,141 00:01:43,102 Yeah, we really tried to put them in that space. Yeah, we really tried to put them in that space.
33 00:01:43,186 00:01:45,229 And we had them, like, moving around, didn't we? And we had them, like, moving around, didn't we?
34 00:01:45,313 00:01:47,363 - Mmm-hmm. - And everything was kind of... - Mmm-hmm. - And everything was kind of...
35 00:01:48,149 00:01:51,569 We weren't so concerned with clarity more than We weren't so concerned with clarity more than
36 00:01:51,653 00:01:53,363 how it would make you... how it would make you...
37 00:01:54,281 00:01:57,075 feel emotionally about hearing these... feel emotionally about hearing these...
38 00:01:57,409 00:01:59,911 Hearing the voices in that space. Hearing the voices in that space.
39 00:02:00,370 00:02:04,248 And then contrasting that completely bizarre space, And then contrasting that completely bizarre space,
40 00:02:04,332 00:02:08,961 you have this rather normal situation of an Imperial interrogation, you have this rather normal situation of an Imperial interrogation,
41 00:02:09,045 00:02:12,299 but I wanted to play it in a way that we hadn't seen before. but I wanted to play it in a way that we hadn't seen before.
42 00:02:12,424 00:02:15,384 So it's not really torturous physically, So it's not really torturous physically,
43 00:02:15,468 00:02:19,013 it's more of a mental game between Hydan here and Sabine. it's more of a mental game between Hydan here and Sabine.
44 00:02:19,097 00:02:23,935 And somebody that wants to pretend that they're in a like mind is Sabine, And somebody that wants to pretend that they're in a like mind is Sabine,
45 00:02:24,019 00:02:25,269 as far as being an artist. as far as being an artist.
46 00:02:25,353 00:02:28,272 And Hydan plays a long game, And Hydan plays a long game,
47 00:02:28,356 00:02:29,857 played by Malcolm McDowell, played by Malcolm McDowell,
48 00:02:29,941 00:02:32,318 of trying to break down Sabine's confidence, of trying to break down Sabine's confidence,
49 00:02:32,402 00:02:33,736 her faith in her friends, her faith in her friends,
50 00:02:33,820 00:02:36,156 her belief that Ezra's going to be all right. her belief that Ezra's going to be all right.
51 00:02:36,656 00:02:40,076 He's trying to undermine He's trying to undermine
52 00:02:40,160 00:02:43,329 her will and her confidence, to get out of her information her will and her confidence, to get out of her information
53 00:02:43,413 00:02:45,665 because he knows that she helped Ezra, because he knows that she helped Ezra,
54 00:02:45,749 00:02:47,875 or assumes that she must have been involved or assumes that she must have been involved
55 00:02:47,959 00:02:50,836 in helping Ezra to open the gateway. in helping Ezra to open the gateway.
56 00:02:50,920 00:02:54,174 And she alludes to as much in her conversation with him. And she alludes to as much in her conversation with him.
57 00:02:54,299 00:02:57,551 But it was a fun series of scenes to write But it was a fun series of scenes to write
58 00:02:57,635 00:02:59,804 because really Sabine, I think, because really Sabine, I think,
59 00:02:59,888 00:03:01,639 you know, mentally out-duels Hydan. you know, mentally out-duels Hydan.
60 00:03:01,723 00:03:05,685 He underestimates her in this situation. He underestimates her in this situation.
61 00:03:05,852 00:03:07,478 She's been through so much at this point, She's been through so much at this point,
62 00:03:07,562 00:03:12,108 and it becomes a part of the step for Sabine on her journey and it becomes a part of the step for Sabine on her journey
63 00:03:12,192 00:03:15,779 to becoming a different type of character, to becoming a different type of character,
64 00:03:15,904 00:03:19,032 more of a leader, which you see followed through in the finale, more of a leader, which you see followed through in the finale,
65 00:03:19,282 00:03:20,783 somebody that uses her mind somebody that uses her mind
66 00:03:20,867 00:03:23,411 even more than her skills with a weapon, even more than her skills with a weapon,
67 00:03:23,536 00:03:26,205 you know, finding ways to outwit her opponents you know, finding ways to outwit her opponents
68 00:03:26,289 00:03:29,167 as opposed to physically overpower her opponents. as opposed to physically overpower her opponents.
69 00:03:29,334 00:03:30,960 Not that she couldn't in this situation, Not that she couldn't in this situation,
70 00:03:31,044 00:03:32,462 she obviously could. she obviously could.
71 00:03:32,712 00:03:35,298 And you see here all the different designs and images And you see here all the different designs and images
72 00:03:35,382 00:03:38,509 from different Jedi Temples in there from different Jedi Temples in there
73 00:03:38,593 00:03:42,347 behind Sabine in the Mortis constellation painting. behind Sabine in the Mortis constellation painting.
74 00:03:43,098 00:03:45,099 So tying all these ideas together So tying all these ideas together
75 00:03:45,183 00:03:49,729 from Clone Wars and Rebels all into one bigger mythology. from Clone Wars and Rebels all into one bigger mythology.
76 00:03:50,230 00:03:52,440 And these very real-world situations, And these very real-world situations,
77 00:03:52,524 00:03:54,483 that our heroes here don't really understand, that our heroes here don't really understand,
78 00:03:54,567 00:03:59,697 set up this bigger journey into where Ezra is, set up this bigger journey into where Ezra is,
79 00:03:59,989 00:04:02,199 which now sound became a key element, which now sound became a key element,
80 00:04:02,283 00:04:04,933 which is, we hear all these voices in this next scene. which is, we hear all these voices in this next scene.
81 00:04:05,245 00:04:06,871 Yeah. This was... Yeah. This was...
82 00:04:08,206 00:04:09,416 This was a thing, right? This was a thing, right?
83 00:04:11,960 00:04:13,837 Yeah. A lot of these came through, Yeah. A lot of these came through,
84 00:04:13,962 00:04:16,213 - that you had picked out, Dave, in here. - Mmm-hmm. - that you had picked out, Dave, in here. - Mmm-hmm.
85 00:04:16,297 00:04:20,301 And then actually in the mix we added, And then actually in the mix we added,
86 00:04:20,385 00:04:22,345 we added more, we took some out we added more, we took some out
87 00:04:22,429 00:04:25,807 that maybe we didn't feel were so appropriate. that maybe we didn't feel were so appropriate.
88 00:04:26,307 00:04:30,686 But, again, in here we weren't too concerned with clarity, But, again, in here we weren't too concerned with clarity,
89 00:04:30,770 00:04:32,355 in having the viewer hear in having the viewer hear
90 00:04:32,439 00:04:35,274 distinctly everything that was being said. distinctly everything that was being said.
91 00:04:35,358 00:04:37,860 It was more that there was... It was more that there was...
92 00:04:37,944 00:04:39,278 There was so much that he could... There was so much that he could...
93 00:04:39,362 00:04:43,199 That he could hear so much calling to him in this space from, That he could hear so much calling to him in this space from,
94 00:04:43,283 00:04:44,909 like, all different places, like, all different places,
95 00:04:44,993 00:04:48,163 and really just echoing around that world between worlds. and really just echoing around that world between worlds.
96 00:04:48,830 00:04:50,206 In its original version, In its original version,
97 00:04:50,290 00:04:52,249 I actually had him looking through portals I actually had him looking through portals
98 00:04:52,333 00:04:54,251 and seeing all kinds of events happening, and seeing all kinds of events happening,
99 00:04:54,335 00:04:56,045 things he wouldn't understand, things he wouldn't understand,
100 00:04:56,129 00:04:58,839 but it's one of those times where limitations really, but it's one of those times where limitations really,
101 00:04:58,923 00:05:00,174 I think, benefited us, I think, benefited us,
102 00:05:00,258 00:05:02,885 and the mystery of it being just the voices and the mystery of it being just the voices
103 00:05:02,969 00:05:06,139 played more powerfully than any images we could create. played more powerfully than any images we could create.
104 00:05:06,681 00:05:10,142 And then really, the first visual you get is this owl, And then really, the first visual you get is this owl,
105 00:05:10,226 00:05:14,313 and the first experience with connecting to another world, and the first experience with connecting to another world,
106 00:05:14,397 00:05:17,525 or another time, is through this portal. or another time, is through this portal.
107 00:05:18,651 00:05:22,279 And this bit was cool, sound-wise here, And this bit was cool, sound-wise here,
108 00:05:22,363 00:05:26,576 as we have the kind of the reveal for Vader and Ahsoka. as we have the kind of the reveal for Vader and Ahsoka.
109 00:05:26,784 00:05:29,287 We went back to the Season 2 finale here... We went back to the Season 2 finale here...
110 00:05:29,704 00:05:31,497 and we took all the sound elements and we took all the sound elements
111 00:05:31,581 00:05:34,875 that we used for that battle with Vader and Ahsoka, that we used for that battle with Vader and Ahsoka,
112 00:05:34,959 00:05:37,170 and we brought them into this episode... and we brought them into this episode...
113 00:05:37,879 00:05:40,423 so it's kind of a real... so it's kind of a real...
114 00:05:40,924 00:05:44,176 It doesn't even feel like a flashback, It doesn't even feel like a flashback,
115 00:05:44,260 00:05:47,138 it was just going back into that moment in time. it was just going back into that moment in time.
116 00:05:47,805 00:05:49,473 Yeah, that was a big jump. Yeah, that was a big jump.
117 00:05:49,557 00:05:53,811 When Steward Lee and I talked about this, Stew was up site directing. When Steward Lee and I talked about this, Stew was up site directing.
118 00:05:53,895 00:05:57,773 You know, we wanted to be sure that it felt real to, You know, we wanted to be sure that it felt real to,
119 00:05:57,857 00:06:00,067 you know, the situation that was happening with Ahsoka, you know, the situation that was happening with Ahsoka,
120 00:06:00,151 00:06:03,905 that it felt real to the time length that was happening for her escape, that it felt real to the time length that was happening for her escape,
121 00:06:04,197 00:06:06,824 it all had to feel like we're literally seeing a part of the episode it all had to feel like we're literally seeing a part of the episode
122 00:06:06,908 00:06:08,618 that we never got to see before. that we never got to see before.
123 00:06:09,744 00:06:12,830 And having the sound tied together really played well. And having the sound tied together really played well.
124 00:06:12,914 00:06:16,264 I remember originally we had the original music score in there, too. I remember originally we had the original music score in there, too.
125 00:06:16,459 00:06:18,127 But in the end it was a little more But in the end it was a little more
126 00:06:18,211 00:06:18,628 visceral to just have the sound design visceral to just have the sound design
127 00:06:18,712 00:06:20,463 visceral to just have the sound design... visceral to just have the sound design...
128 00:06:20,547 00:06:21,964 - Yeah. It definitely made it... - Cut through clearly. - Yeah. It definitely made it... - Cut through clearly.
129 00:06:22,048 00:06:24,717 ...more real. It was cool. ...more real. It was cool.
130 00:06:25,051 00:06:26,635 And when you're doing a scene like this, I mean, And when you're doing a scene like this, I mean,
131 00:06:26,719 00:06:29,096 what are your considerations as far as... what are your considerations as far as...
132 00:06:29,180 00:06:33,058 I think the audience would obviously see the big story implications in a scene I think the audience would obviously see the big story implications in a scene
133 00:06:33,142 00:06:36,395 like the world between worlds, but what about in a situation like this? like the world between worlds, but what about in a situation like this?
134 00:06:36,479 00:06:38,856 I think it's like you were talking about, I think it's like you were talking about,
135 00:06:38,940 00:06:40,816 like, this is the real world. like, this is the real world.
136 00:06:40,900 00:06:43,235 So, to make this space feel real, So, to make this space feel real,
137 00:06:43,319 00:06:44,445 and to have everything, and to have everything,
138 00:06:44,529 00:06:46,530 like, you're really grounded in here, like, you're really grounded in here,
139 00:06:46,614 00:06:48,241 there's nothing to... there's nothing to...
140 00:06:49,826 00:06:52,828 There's nothing, kind of... There's no gray area here. There's nothing, kind of... There's no gray area here.
141 00:06:52,912 00:06:55,247 - Mmm-hmm. - We're definitely in reality, - Mmm-hmm. - We're definitely in reality,
142 00:06:55,331 00:06:58,000 and it was kind of... and it was kind of...
143 00:06:58,084 00:07:00,044 Just really with Sabine here, I think. Just really with Sabine here, I think.
144 00:07:00,128 00:07:02,278 I love her in this. She's got such attitude. I love her in this. She's got such attitude.
145 00:07:02,505 00:07:07,384 I know that, I like to carve out a lot of space for sound, I know that, I like to carve out a lot of space for sound,
146 00:07:07,468 00:07:11,472 and I think people think sound may be encompassing mainly music, and I think people think sound may be encompassing mainly music,
147 00:07:11,556 00:07:15,100 but Star Wars has a lot of very distinct sounds, but Star Wars has a lot of very distinct sounds,
148 00:07:15,184 00:07:16,852 sound designs, sound effects, sound designs, sound effects,
149 00:07:16,936 00:07:19,188 just the hologram, and the hologram, just the hologram, and the hologram,
150 00:07:19,272 00:07:20,648 you know, fritzing and futzing, you know, fritzing and futzing,
151 00:07:20,732 00:07:23,234 can give a real mood, like there, can give a real mood, like there,
152 00:07:23,318 00:07:25,468 when the troopers walk through the hologram. when the troopers walk through the hologram.
153 00:07:25,653 00:07:29,866 The way it phases adds a certain characterization to their attitude, The way it phases adds a certain characterization to their attitude,
154 00:07:29,991 00:07:31,075 you know, to Sabine. you know, to Sabine.
155 00:07:31,159 00:07:32,868 So I always love that kind of stuff. So I always love that kind of stuff.
156 00:07:32,952 00:07:34,703 Yeah, and we do use, Yeah, and we do use,
157 00:07:34,787 00:07:38,123 you know, we use the legacy library, we use the Clone Wars library. you know, we use the legacy library, we use the Clone Wars library.
158 00:07:38,207 00:07:40,459 Obviously we've built up a library doing Rebels. Obviously we've built up a library doing Rebels.
159 00:07:40,543 00:07:41,710 So everything So everything
160 00:07:41,794 00:07:45,256 puts you in the Star Wars universe, like audibly. puts you in the Star Wars universe, like audibly.
161 00:07:45,590 00:07:46,757 The sounds are, The sounds are,
162 00:07:46,841 00:07:51,011 in some ways, the most authentic piece of Star Wars, in some ways, the most authentic piece of Star Wars,
163 00:07:51,095 00:07:54,307 if you think about it, genre to genre, if you think about it, genre to genre,
164 00:07:54,515 00:07:57,435 movie to film, you know, TV show. movie to film, you know, TV show.
165 00:07:57,727 00:08:00,604 They're the one thing that's true across the board. They're the one thing that's true across the board.
166 00:08:00,688 00:08:04,567 Like, I imagine the Ghost's actual sounds are in Rogue One... Like, I imagine the Ghost's actual sounds are in Rogue One...
167 00:08:04,651 00:08:06,277 - Yeah. - Just like they're in our show. - Yeah. - Just like they're in our show.
168 00:08:06,361 00:08:08,488 Chopper's real sounds are in Rogue One. Chopper's real sounds are in Rogue One.
169 00:08:09,030 00:08:10,656 I've been told that, you know, I've been told that, you know,
170 00:08:10,740 00:08:13,826 Clone Wars actually added a huge library for all Star Wars, Clone Wars actually added a huge library for all Star Wars,
171 00:08:13,910 00:08:16,287 not just that series, but... not just that series, but...
172 00:08:16,371 00:08:18,539 Yeah, I know it's massive, Yeah, I know it's massive,
173 00:08:18,748 00:08:22,627 it's part of what we used for the episodes. it's part of what we used for the episodes.
174 00:08:22,877 00:08:24,877 This is where we did some of the most... This is where we did some of the most...
175 00:08:25,380 00:08:29,175 fun designing with the voices because... fun designing with the voices because...
176 00:08:29,509 00:08:32,887 you remember, we laid in, we didn't have in the first viewing... you remember, we laid in, we didn't have in the first viewing...
177 00:08:33,471 00:08:36,724 the daughter saying "I am daughter" underneath the owl. the daughter saying "I am daughter" underneath the owl.
178 00:08:36,808 00:08:38,517 - Yes. - And we didn't have Vader - Yes. - And we didn't have Vader
179 00:08:38,601 00:08:41,979 saying those two lines that he does underneath Ahsoka. saying those two lines that he does underneath Ahsoka.
180 00:08:42,063 00:08:43,188 And that was designed. And that was designed.
181 00:08:43,272 00:08:47,443 Once I saw what Bonnie was doing with the soundscape of this sequence, Once I saw what Bonnie was doing with the soundscape of this sequence,
182 00:08:47,527 00:08:50,571 I thought, well, maybe that's what's going through her mind. I thought, well, maybe that's what's going through her mind.
183 00:08:50,655 00:08:53,616 Maybe that's what... And only she hears those things, Maybe that's what... And only she hears those things,
184 00:08:53,700 00:08:55,284 Ezra doesn't hear those things Ezra doesn't hear those things
185 00:08:55,368 00:08:58,705 because they're specific to what she's thinking and feeling. because they're specific to what she's thinking and feeling.
186 00:08:58,871 00:09:00,998 "You don't know the power of the dark side." "You don't know the power of the dark side."
187 00:09:01,082 00:09:02,417 "I must obey my master." "I must obey my master."
188 00:09:02,583 00:09:06,170 Like, those things echoing through truly to just Ahsoka. Like, those things echoing through truly to just Ahsoka.
189 00:09:06,337 00:09:07,963 So, that was a lot of fun So, that was a lot of fun
190 00:09:08,047 00:09:12,135 once we started dropping in a line here and a line there. once we started dropping in a line here and a line there.
191 00:09:12,468 00:09:16,430 And in fact, in the original version of this episode, And in fact, in the original version of this episode,
192 00:09:16,514 00:09:19,141 there wasn't any lengthy sequence there wasn't any lengthy sequence
193 00:09:19,225 00:09:21,977 with Kanan and his voice or any of that. with Kanan and his voice or any of that.
194 00:09:22,061 00:09:24,355 That was something I added late. That was something I added late.
195 00:09:24,439 00:09:26,440 We can talk about that when we get to it, but... We can talk about that when we get to it, but...
196 00:09:26,524 00:09:27,608 Yes. Yes.
197 00:09:27,859 00:09:30,737 Yeah, a lot of interesting dialogue laid in here. Yeah, a lot of interesting dialogue laid in here.
198 00:09:31,404 00:09:33,489 And then back to harsh reality. And then back to harsh reality.
199 00:09:33,573 00:09:36,116 I think here it's mainly just sounds. I think here it's mainly just sounds.
200 00:09:36,200 00:09:37,618 Yeah, I think as we cut back here, Yeah, I think as we cut back here,
201 00:09:37,702 00:09:39,536 yeah, we've got the troopers walking around, yeah, we've got the troopers walking around,
202 00:09:39,620 00:09:42,957 which I like because it's a real contrast between which I like because it's a real contrast between
203 00:09:45,251 00:09:46,835 Ezra's state of mind Ezra's state of mind
204 00:09:46,919 00:09:49,129 and just like the actual planning and action and just like the actual planning and action
205 00:09:49,213 00:09:50,506 that's going on here. that's going on here.
206 00:09:50,715 00:09:53,760 The surreal world and the real world. The surreal world and the real world.
207 00:09:53,968 00:09:56,804 There was a lot more scenes for this whole thing. There was a lot more scenes for this whole thing.
208 00:09:56,888 00:09:58,847 I remember writing versions of this I remember writing versions of this
209 00:09:58,931 00:10:02,267 and how I tried to convey what Hera was trying to do and how I tried to convey what Hera was trying to do
210 00:10:02,351 00:10:06,814 and the details of it versus what wound up in the final version. and the details of it versus what wound up in the final version.
211 00:10:06,898 00:10:08,608 But you only have so much time. But you only have so much time.
212 00:10:08,858 00:10:12,403 So I had to keep cutting stuff down, you know. So I had to keep cutting stuff down, you know.
213 00:10:12,528 00:10:15,739 And that's the only shot you get of that big machine, And that's the only shot you get of that big machine,
214 00:10:15,823 00:10:17,950 that foreshadows what happens in the end with Chopper. that foreshadows what happens in the end with Chopper.
215 00:10:18,034 00:10:19,327 In the end, yeah. In the end, yeah.
216 00:10:20,203 00:10:22,455 Did you do anything for the stepping? Did you do anything for the stepping?
217 00:10:22,663 00:10:24,498 Yeah, we have the steps so, Yeah, we have the steps so,
218 00:10:24,582 00:10:27,000 steps as well we've seen in previous episodes steps as well we've seen in previous episodes
219 00:10:27,084 00:10:29,169 - when it's the wolf in that. - Oh, that's right. - when it's the wolf in that. - Oh, that's right.
220 00:10:29,253 00:10:31,088 - Yeah. - Oh, that's right. - Yeah. - Oh, that's right.
221 00:10:31,172 00:10:34,091 So everything always calls back. So everything always calls back.
222 00:10:34,425 00:10:36,927 See, there's a little thing I put up there, See, there's a little thing I put up there,
223 00:10:37,011 00:10:38,471 if people notice it. if people notice it.
224 00:10:38,679 00:10:40,764 The creatures from episode eight. The creatures from episode eight.
225 00:10:40,848 00:10:41,849 Is it the fathier at the back? Is it the fathier at the back?
226 00:10:41,933 00:10:45,228 Yeah, the fathier. I put that in there for Rian. Yeah, the fathier. I put that in there for Rian.
227 00:10:45,561 00:10:47,271 Because I had been out visiting and seen his creatures. Because I had been out visiting and seen his creatures.
228 00:10:47,355 00:10:50,055 They're actually on either side of a doorway earlier... They're actually on either side of a doorway earlier...
229 00:10:50,566 00:10:52,067 as a nod to him. as a nod to him.
230 00:10:52,151 00:10:57,114 There are ways those who have passed on may still guide or influence the living. There are ways those who have passed on may still guide or influence the living.
231 00:10:57,198 00:10:58,866 It's not impossible. It's not impossible.
232 00:10:58,950 00:11:00,492 But if it was Kanan... But if it was Kanan...
233 00:11:00,576 00:11:02,369 And that wolf constellation And that wolf constellation
234 00:11:02,453 00:11:04,538 actually just happened to be there in the sky at the... actually just happened to be there in the sky at the...
235 00:11:04,622 00:11:06,498 It wasn't even pre-planned. It wasn't even pre-planned.
236 00:11:06,582 00:11:08,417 - Because this whole scene... - What? Really? - Because this whole scene... - What? Really?
237 00:11:08,501 00:11:11,838 Yeah. This whole scene I wrote after I saw the first... Yeah. This whole scene I wrote after I saw the first...
238 00:11:13,130 00:11:16,842 you know, complete cut, once I had gotten it back. you know, complete cut, once I had gotten it back.
239 00:11:16,926 00:11:19,386 And I thought, boy, it doesn't work, I don't... And I thought, boy, it doesn't work, I don't...
240 00:11:19,470 00:11:22,347 I wasn't emotionally connecting what was going on in this whole scene, I wasn't emotionally connecting what was going on in this whole scene,
241 00:11:22,431 00:11:24,683 so I trashed it, so I trashed it,
242 00:11:24,767 00:11:28,521 and I think I called, in this episode, oh, my gosh. and I think I called, in this episode, oh, my gosh.
243 00:11:28,771 00:11:31,482 It must have been close to 30-some new shots, It must have been close to 30-some new shots,
244 00:11:31,566 00:11:33,568 and I rewrote all the dialogue... and I rewrote all the dialogue...
245 00:11:34,277 00:11:39,156 Ashley and Taylor had to go and record this scene. Ashley and Taylor had to go and record this scene.
246 00:11:39,240 00:11:43,702 I think we did this specific sequence at least five times I think we did this specific sequence at least five times
247 00:11:43,786 00:11:47,748 as I worked out how to get the most out of this. as I worked out how to get the most out of this.
248 00:11:47,832 00:11:51,418 And now, the final version had Kanan's voice leading... And now, the final version had Kanan's voice leading...
249 00:11:51,502 00:11:53,671 - Yeah. - ...you through this chasm... - Yeah. - ...you through this chasm...
250 00:11:54,005 00:11:56,841 which it didn't have for a while. which it didn't have for a while.
251 00:11:57,133 00:11:59,844 And I didn't even have where you could see him again. And I didn't even have where you could see him again.
252 00:12:00,219 00:12:02,513 Originally I did not have that. Originally I did not have that.
253 00:12:02,597 00:12:06,975 It just became apparent that you really need to remember It just became apparent that you really need to remember
254 00:12:07,059 00:12:08,560 exactly what they're talking about, exactly what they're talking about,
255 00:12:08,644 00:12:10,062 and the best way to do that is to see this. and the best way to do that is to see this.
256 00:12:10,146 00:12:12,898 And my thought was that as they're... And my thought was that as they're...
257 00:12:12,982 00:12:15,567 As Ezra especially is being emotional about things, As Ezra especially is being emotional about things,
258 00:12:15,651 00:12:17,402 and specifically Kanan, and specifically Kanan,
259 00:12:17,486 00:12:20,656 that's what the world here is presenting to him, that's what the world here is presenting to him,
260 00:12:20,740 00:12:23,743 is these moments that he's thinking about. is these moments that he's thinking about.
261 00:12:24,243 00:12:26,203 But it really becomes, But it really becomes,
262 00:12:26,287 00:12:28,455 you know, about this idea of doing something you know, about this idea of doing something
263 00:12:28,539 00:12:30,123 because you want it to happen, because you want it to happen,
264 00:12:30,207 00:12:32,376 doing something for yourself, doing something for yourself,
265 00:12:32,543 00:12:35,671 even if it seems like it's a kind act, even if it seems like it's a kind act,
266 00:12:35,755 00:12:39,634 you know, to save your friend, my gosh, what could be a better thing to do? you know, to save your friend, my gosh, what could be a better thing to do?
267 00:12:40,092 00:12:43,095 But, in the end, it's perhaps a selfish thing. But, in the end, it's perhaps a selfish thing.
268 00:12:43,179 00:12:45,472 You see this explored with Anakin You see this explored with Anakin
269 00:12:45,556 00:12:48,725 when he's trying to save Padmé, save his wife, and yet, when he's trying to save Padmé, save his wife, and yet,
270 00:12:48,809 00:12:51,603 he's not giving any thought he's not giving any thought
271 00:12:51,687 00:12:55,191 to her own agency and her own ability to save herself. to her own agency and her own ability to save herself.
272 00:12:55,399 00:12:58,110 And in doing so, he brings everything toppling down. And in doing so, he brings everything toppling down.
273 00:12:58,194 00:13:01,530 So, it's a challenge in this scene So, it's a challenge in this scene
274 00:13:01,614 00:13:02,614 because I talked to them because I talked to them
275 00:13:02,698 00:13:06,159 about how it's a big hand-off, too, for Ahsoka about how it's a big hand-off, too, for Ahsoka
276 00:13:06,243 00:13:10,039 to take up this mentoring moment for Kanan. to take up this mentoring moment for Kanan.
277 00:13:10,247 00:13:12,165 It's something that I think that Kanan, It's something that I think that Kanan,
278 00:13:12,249 00:13:13,709 besides just bringing... besides just bringing...
279 00:13:13,793 00:13:16,503 Saving Ahsoka in some ways, Saving Ahsoka in some ways,
280 00:13:16,587 00:13:20,466 getting her out of that spot that they all got into on Malachor. getting her out of that spot that they all got into on Malachor.
281 00:13:20,591 00:13:25,971 She becomes a real mentor in this moment to this boy, She becomes a real mentor in this moment to this boy,
282 00:13:26,055 00:13:30,685 and lifts him up through kind of a dark moment. and lifts him up through kind of a dark moment.
283 00:13:31,018 00:13:34,897 And this is where he has a realization about what And this is where he has a realization about what
284 00:13:34,981 00:13:38,567 the real destiny of being a selfless person is, the real destiny of being a selfless person is,
285 00:13:38,651 00:13:40,861 and how to really let go of things, and how to really let go of things,
286 00:13:40,945 00:13:42,738 and it's a difficult choice. and it's a difficult choice.
287 00:13:43,155 00:13:44,990 And this line, And this line,
288 00:13:45,074 00:13:46,491 "I wish I could be with my parents, "I wish I could be with my parents,
289 00:13:46,575 00:13:47,993 I wish I could be with my mom and dad, I wish I could be with my mom and dad,
290 00:13:48,077 00:13:49,536 why couldn't things be like they were," why couldn't things be like they were,"
291 00:13:49,620 00:13:53,374 was really reacting to, of course, you feel that way, that's very real. was really reacting to, of course, you feel that way, that's very real.
292 00:13:53,499 00:13:55,292 When difficult things happen, When difficult things happen,
293 00:13:55,376 00:13:58,421 and when you hear that... This is a spoiler a bit, but... and when you hear that... This is a spoiler a bit, but...
294 00:13:58,587 00:14:00,464 When you hear the thunderbolt When you hear the thunderbolt
295 00:14:00,673 00:14:03,050 it's letting you know that, like, okay, you spoke the truth, it's letting you know that, like, okay, you spoke the truth,
296 00:14:03,134 00:14:04,968 and maybe bad things heard you. and maybe bad things heard you.
297 00:14:05,052 00:14:06,803 And that's what this is about. And that's what this is about.
298 00:14:06,887 00:14:08,388 And then we did the cool thing with Freddie here. And then we did the cool thing with Freddie here.
299 00:14:08,472 00:14:10,516 Yeah. This is cool when... Yeah. This is cool when...
300 00:14:10,891 00:14:13,477 he tempts him to turn around, he tempts him to turn around,
301 00:14:13,561 00:14:17,856 which is Freddie's voice then into Palpatine's. which is Freddie's voice then into Palpatine's.
302 00:14:17,940 00:14:20,317 Yeah, McDiarmid, yeah, I had them say the same line. Yeah, McDiarmid, yeah, I had them say the same line.
303 00:14:20,401 00:14:22,027 Freddie was real excited about that. Freddie was real excited about that.
304 00:14:22,111 00:14:24,988 I said, "I want you to say this line just like the Emperor does." I said, "I want you to say this line just like the Emperor does."
305 00:14:25,072 00:14:27,115 And so it's Kanan's voice into the Emperor. And so it's Kanan's voice into the Emperor.
306 00:14:27,199 00:14:29,493 And then you wonder, is it the Emperor And then you wonder, is it the Emperor
307 00:14:29,577 00:14:30,535 that's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? that's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan?
308 00:14:30,619 00:14:33,413 That's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan? That's coercing Ezra this whole time to try to save Kanan?
309 00:14:33,497 00:14:35,499 Because maybe that whole thing is a trap. Because maybe that whole thing is a trap.
310 00:14:35,583 00:14:38,085 So, again, you're just never sure. So, again, you're just never sure.
311 00:14:38,586 00:14:40,295 Oh, you have to talk about the thing you did here Oh, you have to talk about the thing you did here
312 00:14:40,379 00:14:41,630 because I loved this. because I loved this.
313 00:14:41,922 00:14:43,549 This is all you guys. This is all you guys.
314 00:14:45,384 00:14:48,471 The secret code. Yeah, the knock. The secret code. Yeah, the knock.
315 00:14:48,596 00:14:51,848 You might recognize the rhythm of the knock here. You might recognize the rhythm of the knock here.
316 00:14:51,932 00:14:54,769 We had some fun, which we... We had some fun, which we...
317 00:14:56,145 00:14:59,231 Generally something is always a throwback, Generally something is always a throwback,
318 00:14:59,315 00:15:03,152 or a nod to, or just a nerd moment for sound. or a nod to, or just a nerd moment for sound.
319 00:15:04,904 00:15:07,823 And for this, Zeb's tap, his signal, And for this, Zeb's tap, his signal,
320 00:15:07,907 00:15:10,492 is the Star Wars... Is the theme tune. is the Star Wars... Is the theme tune.
321 00:15:10,576 00:15:14,038 You can probably hear it and sing along with it as it goes. You can probably hear it and sing along with it as it goes.
322 00:15:14,830 00:15:16,040 It's really great. It's really great.
323 00:15:16,248 00:15:18,917 I didn't even notice it the first time you guys did it. I didn't even notice it the first time you guys did it.
324 00:15:19,001 00:15:21,504 But it is the theme to Star Wars... But it is the theme to Star Wars...
325 00:15:21,670 00:15:23,380 As you tap it out. Yeah. As you tap it out. Yeah.
326 00:15:24,173 00:15:28,260 And it works. I mean, you don't really think about it at all when you hear it, And it works. I mean, you don't really think about it at all when you hear it,
327 00:15:28,344 00:15:30,596 you can finally hear it. But... you can finally hear it. But...
328 00:15:31,263 00:15:35,726 These things they're in were actually a reuse from Clone Wars. These things they're in were actually a reuse from Clone Wars.
329 00:15:35,810 00:15:38,020 I designed those vehicles for that. I designed those vehicles for that.
330 00:15:38,354 00:15:41,273 Now this was something... I've seen lots of lightning, Now this was something... I've seen lots of lightning,
331 00:15:41,357 00:15:43,025 I thought, why not fire? I thought, why not fire?
332 00:15:43,109 00:15:48,071 Fire seems, you know, in some ways all-consuming and menacing, Fire seems, you know, in some ways all-consuming and menacing,
333 00:15:48,155 00:15:50,866 and so I had envisioned this idea. and so I had envisioned this idea.
334 00:15:50,991 00:15:53,493 I gave Joel and the effects team I gave Joel and the effects team
335 00:15:53,577 00:15:56,163 a whole lot of, you know, a whole lot of, you know,
336 00:15:56,247 00:15:58,999 trial and error here to get the fire. But they did so brilliantly. trial and error here to get the fire. But they did so brilliantly.
337 00:15:59,083 00:16:00,167 Joel knows it. Joel knows it.
338 00:16:00,251 00:16:02,085 I was very specific with animation I was very specific with animation
339 00:16:02,169 00:16:04,839 about how Palpatine can't really come through this about how Palpatine can't really come through this
340 00:16:05,131 00:16:06,298 unless he's connected. unless he's connected.
341 00:16:06,382 00:16:08,258 So we had to have the fire a certain way So we had to have the fire a certain way
342 00:16:08,342 00:16:10,261 when it releases from the portal. when it releases from the portal.
343 00:16:10,427 00:16:11,720 And if you look at the base of the fire, And if you look at the base of the fire,
344 00:16:11,804 00:16:14,181 it's actually disintegrating the lines of the walkways, it's actually disintegrating the lines of the walkways,
345 00:16:14,265 00:16:17,476 which also adds to some of the desperation. which also adds to some of the desperation.
346 00:16:17,643 00:16:20,437 And sound-nerdy there, And sound-nerdy there,
347 00:16:20,521 00:16:23,440 we took from when the Emperor does fall down the shaft. we took from when the Emperor does fall down the shaft.
348 00:16:23,524 00:16:24,524 Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
349 00:16:24,608 00:16:27,194 And we used the sound that Ben created for that, And we used the sound that Ben created for that,
350 00:16:27,278 00:16:29,154 and we incorporated it into that. and we incorporated it into that.
351 00:16:29,238 00:16:30,989 - In which part? - The blue... - In which part? - The blue...
352 00:16:31,073 00:16:34,117 When he falls down the shaft, like, in Jedi, so... When he falls down the shaft, like, in Jedi, so...
353 00:16:34,201 00:16:35,660 For when he's screeching. For when he's screeching.
354 00:16:35,744 00:16:39,539 We added a lot of him screaming and cackling. We added a lot of him screaming and cackling.
355 00:16:39,623 00:16:42,084 The more screaming, cackling Palpatine is as the Emperor, The more screaming, cackling Palpatine is as the Emperor,
356 00:16:42,168 00:16:43,368 - the better off. - Yeah. - the better off. - Yeah.
357 00:16:43,460 00:16:44,836 The more evil. The more evil.
358 00:16:44,920 00:16:46,963 - But just this idea of his fury. - But you're right, it ties in, - But just this idea of his fury. - But you're right, it ties in,
359 00:16:47,047 00:16:51,676 you feel his anger and desperation. you feel his anger and desperation.
360 00:16:51,760 00:16:53,345 His rage, yeah. His rage, yeah.
361 00:16:53,888 00:16:55,305 I like when he says, "Help me." I like when he says, "Help me."
362 00:16:55,389 00:16:57,725 - Ian's so good at those lines. - Ooh. - Ian's so good at those lines. - Ooh.
363 00:16:57,933 00:16:59,143 So good. So good.
364 00:16:59,351 00:17:01,853 And I had to see Ahsoka's lightsabers in one moment here, And I had to see Ahsoka's lightsabers in one moment here,
365 00:17:01,937 00:17:05,148 so I devised this moment just so she could turn them on. so I devised this moment just so she could turn them on.
366 00:17:05,232 00:17:07,359 Because I love those lightsabers. Because I love those lightsabers.
367 00:17:07,818 00:17:09,862 They're my favorite lightsabers. They're my favorite lightsabers.
368 00:17:10,696 00:17:14,157 And this is like a promise here when Ezra says, And this is like a promise here when Ezra says,
369 00:17:14,241 00:17:16,243 "When you get back, come and find me." "When you get back, come and find me."
370 00:17:16,327 00:17:19,079 And she says, "I will." And I don't think people realized, And she says, "I will." And I don't think people realized,
371 00:17:19,163 00:17:20,831 what I was trying to set up there what I was trying to set up there
372 00:17:20,915 00:17:23,250 which she does come back before the end of the show. which she does come back before the end of the show.
373 00:17:23,334 00:17:26,795 The last minute, but... Spoilers there. She does come back. The last minute, but... Spoilers there. She does come back.
374 00:17:27,213 00:17:31,133 And this was fun, to see her go down the triangle doorway And this was fun, to see her go down the triangle doorway
375 00:17:31,217 00:17:34,178 that's probably, hopefully ending some debates. that's probably, hopefully ending some debates.
376 00:17:34,428 00:17:36,263 - Yeah. - As to was it her in the doorway? - Yeah. - As to was it her in the doorway?
377 00:17:36,347 00:17:38,265 Which I always thought, of course, it's her. Which I always thought, of course, it's her.
378 00:17:38,349 00:17:42,228 But I guess I have an advantage there to know these things. But I guess I have an advantage there to know these things.
379 00:17:44,355 00:17:45,564 The fire was fun. The fire was fun.
380 00:17:45,648 00:17:49,067 And leading up to these doorways where they hit the wall, And leading up to these doorways where they hit the wall,
381 00:17:49,151 00:17:51,153 making this a tense beat making this a tense beat
382 00:17:51,237 00:17:53,781 was a lot of sound design up to that moment. was a lot of sound design up to that moment.
383 00:17:54,031 00:17:56,032 What do you do for fire hitting a magic doorway? What do you do for fire hitting a magic doorway?
384 00:17:56,116 00:17:59,203 Cutting it through. It's a lot of trial and error. Cutting it through. It's a lot of trial and error.
385 00:17:59,328 00:18:00,371 - Really? - Yeah. - Really? - Yeah.
386 00:18:00,496 00:18:02,164 I mean, that's the good thing about this I mean, that's the good thing about this
387 00:18:02,248 00:18:03,707 is that you can do a bunch of things in your room is that you can do a bunch of things in your room
388 00:18:03,791 00:18:04,959 that nobody hears. that nobody hears.
389 00:18:05,459 00:18:07,544 And that you laugh at or sometimes cry at. And that you laugh at or sometimes cry at.
390 00:18:07,628 00:18:10,464 And then you come back to it. And then you come back to it.
391 00:18:11,548 00:18:16,219 Then we have just the regular old laser blasts cutting through, but... Then we have just the regular old laser blasts cutting through, but...
392 00:18:16,303 00:18:17,846 This is one of those moments now This is one of those moments now
393 00:18:17,930 00:18:20,223 where we get into the painting that where we get into the painting that
394 00:18:20,307 00:18:23,768 we flipped the whole idea here, and it becomes about the music. we flipped the whole idea here, and it becomes about the music.
395 00:18:23,852 00:18:25,478 - Yeah. - And this is where - Yeah. - And this is where
396 00:18:25,562 00:18:28,481 I really believe Kevin Kiner's music which... I really believe Kevin Kiner's music which...
397 00:18:28,565 00:18:32,277 Boy, Kevin just rules the day in all of Season 4, but... Boy, Kevin just rules the day in all of Season 4, but...
398 00:18:32,361 00:18:33,486 - Yeah. - In these episodes - Yeah. - In these episodes
399 00:18:33,570 00:18:36,156 especially he creates some very unique music. especially he creates some very unique music.
400 00:18:36,407 00:18:40,494 And it's just all about letting that emotionally take over the scene. And it's just all about letting that emotionally take over the scene.
401 00:18:43,455 00:18:45,332 I mean, effects-wise here, I mean, effects-wise here,
402 00:18:45,416 00:18:48,043 we're using a lot of the Mortis planet stuff. we're using a lot of the Mortis planet stuff.
403 00:18:48,127 00:18:49,169 Yeah. Yeah.
404 00:18:49,253 00:18:50,545 Well, and then we put Sam in right here. Well, and then we put Sam in right here.
405 00:18:50,629 00:18:52,297 - We have Sam in here. - I had to put Sam in... - We have Sam in here. - I had to put Sam in...
406 00:18:52,381 00:18:54,007 - Yeah. - Because, you know, it makes his day. - Yeah. - Because, you know, it makes his day.
407 00:18:54,091 00:18:55,926 Well, 'cause we have the father and the daughter. Well, 'cause we have the father and the daughter.
408 00:18:56,010 00:18:57,135 Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know.
409 00:18:57,219 00:18:58,720 - No, we had to put Sam in... - Yeah. - No, we had to put Sam in... - Yeah.
410 00:18:58,804 00:19:01,765 Because he wouldn't let me hear about it if I didn't put him in, so. Because he wouldn't let me hear about it if I didn't put him in, so.
411 00:19:01,849 00:19:04,393 But he was brilliant as the son. But he was brilliant as the son.
412 00:19:04,727 00:19:06,144 And all this painting, And all this painting,
413 00:19:06,228 00:19:11,358 this was done brilliantly by my friends over at Ghostbot Studios, this was done brilliantly by my friends over at Ghostbot Studios,
414 00:19:11,442 00:19:13,443 who I had been wanting to work with for a long time. who I had been wanting to work with for a long time.
415 00:19:13,527 00:19:16,655 Brad Rau did some episodic director work for us on Rebels, Brad Rau did some episodic director work for us on Rebels,
416 00:19:16,739 00:19:18,949 and they were a great team to work with, and they were a great team to work with,
417 00:19:19,033 00:19:21,243 to do that 2D animation to do that 2D animation
418 00:19:21,327 00:19:23,453 which I've been trying to get in the show a long time, so... which I've been trying to get in the show a long time, so...
419 00:19:23,537 00:19:24,830 It looks fantastic. It looks fantastic.
420 00:19:25,080 00:19:26,415 - It's very cool. - Yeah. - It's very cool. - Yeah.
421 00:19:27,624 00:19:29,042 And there's a plethora... And there's a plethora...
422 00:19:29,126 00:19:32,776 This is just an overload of sound and music, and lights and effects and... This is just an overload of sound and music, and lights and effects and...
423 00:19:33,964 00:19:35,465 - The wolves are howling there. - This is a... - The wolves are howling there. - This is a...
424 00:19:35,549 00:19:36,842 It's a movie happening. It's a movie happening.
425 00:19:39,219 00:19:40,554 I hope so. I hope so.
426 00:19:41,430 00:19:43,473 And this is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And this is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
427 00:19:43,557 00:19:47,353 It had to build in the way that a lot of... It had to build in the way that a lot of...
428 00:19:47,686 00:19:50,022 you know, climactic... you know, climactic...
429 00:19:50,439 00:19:54,568 movies or opera that my father would have us listen to. movies or opera that my father would have us listen to.
430 00:19:54,693 00:19:59,990 I just wanted this almost wall of music and sound to hit like a big convergence, I just wanted this almost wall of music and sound to hit like a big convergence,
431 00:20:00,074 00:20:02,200 like something out of Close Encounters, too, like something out of Close Encounters, too,
432 00:20:02,284 00:20:04,494 when you think of the music there, and how big it gets, when you think of the music there, and how big it gets,
433 00:20:04,578 00:20:06,580 and how uplifting it becomes. and how uplifting it becomes.
434 00:20:06,830 00:20:08,331 And it was great, ts direction was, And it was great, ts direction was,
435 00:20:08,415 00:20:10,292 because the characters are actually shouting. because the characters are actually shouting.
436 00:20:10,376 00:20:13,670 So you can afford to have it all going on, which is cool. So you can afford to have it all going on, which is cool.
437 00:20:13,837 00:20:16,131 I've gotten better at that over time. I've gotten better at that over time.
438 00:20:16,215 00:20:19,676 I always know you can make them yell louder. I always know you can make them yell louder.
439 00:20:19,760 00:20:21,303 Now that was a moment because, you know, Now that was a moment because, you know,
440 00:20:21,387 00:20:24,389 that was the last line that Freddie has in this series. that was the last line that Freddie has in this series.
441 00:20:24,473 00:20:26,100 - Yeah. - The last line. - Yeah. - The last line.
442 00:20:27,017 00:20:28,601 And Freddie was brilliant as Kanan. And Freddie was brilliant as Kanan.
443 00:20:28,685 00:20:30,061 He really brought that character to life. He really brought that character to life.
444 00:20:30,145 00:20:32,689 All our actors are brilliant, but it was a... All our actors are brilliant, but it was a...
445 00:20:32,856 00:20:35,256 It's a funny moment to realize, then he was done. It's a funny moment to realize, then he was done.
446 00:20:39,113 00:20:43,616 This scene was special because when we were shooting it, This scene was special because when we were shooting it,
447 00:20:43,700 00:20:45,702 I wanted it to echo... I wanted it to echo...
448 00:20:46,745 00:20:50,290 the first time Kanan and Ezra came to this temple. the first time Kanan and Ezra came to this temple.
449 00:20:50,791 00:20:53,752 So you see that many of these shots, setups... So you see that many of these shots, setups...
450 00:20:54,211 00:20:56,421 are very close to or similar to are very close to or similar to
451 00:20:56,505 00:20:59,424 when Kanan and Ezra are standing in the same place, when Kanan and Ezra are standing in the same place,
452 00:20:59,508 00:21:01,510 right down to the position of... right down to the position of...
453 00:21:02,803 00:21:06,181 a ship behind them, whether it be the Phantom... a ship behind them, whether it be the Phantom...
454 00:21:08,725 00:21:10,936 or this mining, drilling machine they stole. or this mining, drilling machine they stole.
455 00:21:11,186 00:21:13,605 But I think it's an important thing But I think it's an important thing
456 00:21:13,689 00:21:17,567 that he's standing there at one point with his father figure, that he's standing there at one point with his father figure,
457 00:21:17,651 00:21:20,151 and now he's standing there with his mother figure. and now he's standing there with his mother figure.
458 00:21:20,654 00:21:22,280 I think especially for the two of them I think especially for the two of them
459 00:21:22,364 00:21:24,450 to find some type of closure... to find some type of closure...
460 00:21:25,033 00:21:27,035 with the loss of... with the loss of...
461 00:21:27,494 00:21:29,204 you know, this person that meant so much to them. you know, this person that meant so much to them.
462 00:21:29,288 00:21:31,748 And that's really what the last four episodes have been about, And that's really what the last four episodes have been about,
463 00:21:31,832 00:21:35,919 is closure for the characters... is closure for the characters...
464 00:21:36,253 00:21:40,215 for people watching this show, that the kids understand the value of... for people watching this show, that the kids understand the value of...
465 00:21:41,175 00:21:42,842 a person... a person...
466 00:21:42,926 00:21:46,221 When they care about somebody, how you can get through that. When they care about somebody, how you can get through that.
467 00:21:47,389 00:21:51,185 I think it's a nice moment for these two to share. I think it's a nice moment for these two to share.
468 00:21:52,561 00:21:54,354 And then this final farewell. And then this final farewell.
469 00:21:54,521 00:21:59,484 This in a way is the ending of an act, of a big movement This in a way is the ending of an act, of a big movement
470 00:21:59,568 00:22:02,029 of Star Wars Rebels... of Star Wars Rebels...
471 00:22:02,738 00:22:05,782 where we, Ezra now is ready to step forward, where we, Ezra now is ready to step forward,
472 00:22:05,866 00:22:07,617 as are all the characters as are all the characters
473 00:22:07,701 00:22:10,495 with who they can ultimately become and what they ultimately need to do. with who they can ultimately become and what they ultimately need to do.
474 00:22:10,579 00:22:12,330 We're all saying goodbye to Kanan. We're all saying goodbye to Kanan.
475 00:22:12,414 00:22:15,083 They are, yeah. It was hard for you. They are, yeah. It was hard for you.
476 00:22:15,167 00:22:16,292 It was hard for you. It was hard for you.
477 00:22:16,376 00:22:17,836 I always know when an episode's working I always know when an episode's working
478 00:22:17,920 00:22:21,548 because you and Tracy get emotional first. because you and Tracy get emotional first.
479 00:22:22,716 00:22:24,760 It's always a good sign. It's always a good sign.
480 00:22:25,010 00:22:27,011 It's a nice long shot to end on, you know. It's a nice long shot to end on, you know.
481 00:22:27,095 00:22:29,222 I mean, it doesn't even go into the credit music. I mean, it doesn't even go into the credit music.
482 00:22:29,306 00:22:30,974 It goes into some sad music. It goes into some sad music.
483 00:22:31,058 00:22:34,269 I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis.
484 00:22:34,353 00:22:37,303 I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis. I know. It's wonderful. It's sad, yes, but it's a catharsis.
485 00:22:37,481 00:22:39,566 I think in the end, it's kind of uplifting, I think in the end, it's kind of uplifting,
486 00:22:39,650 00:22:41,193 and there you go. and there you go.
487 00:22:41,527 00:22:45,363 There's so many things. I could watch that episode 20 times in a row There's so many things. I could watch that episode 20 times in a row
488 00:22:45,447 00:22:49,242 and tell you different stuff every time we're watching it and tell you different stuff every time we're watching it
489 00:22:49,326 00:22:50,994 because we just... We packed it in there. because we just... We packed it in there.
490 00:22:51,078 00:22:52,495 Yeah. There's a lot going on. Yeah. There's a lot going on.
491 00:22:52,579 00:22:54,372 And you guys in sound did a brilliant job. And you guys in sound did a brilliant job.
492 00:22:54,456 00:22:58,042 You guys always exceed whatever my expectation is. You guys always exceed whatever my expectation is.
493 00:22:58,126 00:22:59,169 You guys crush it. You guys crush it.
494 00:22:59,253 00:23:01,588 We have a lot to work with, so it helps. We have a lot to work with, so it helps.
495 00:23:01,672 00:23:03,340 Well, there you go. Well, there you go.