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1 | 00:00:01,585 | 00:00:04,588 | Hey, this is Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels. | Hey, this is Dave Filoni, executive producer of Star Wars Rebels. |
2 | 00:00:04,671 | 00:00:08,133 | And we're going to talk about Wolves and a Door, | And we're going to talk about Wolves and a Door, |
3 | 00:00:08,216 | 00:00:09,968 | one of my favorite episodes. | one of my favorite episodes. |
4 | 00:00:10,385 | 00:00:14,264 | I like starting with these little lighthearted Loth-cat moments. | I like starting with these little lighthearted Loth-cat moments. |
5 | 00:00:16,558 | 00:00:21,938 | I don't know, this is just something I enjoy very much, these images. | I don't know, this is just something I enjoy very much, these images. |
6 | 00:00:22,606 | 00:00:26,318 | It kind of rounds out, I think, the whole feeling of the world | It kind of rounds out, I think, the whole feeling of the world |
7 | 00:00:26,401 | 00:00:31,406 | for me to start from the point of view of these creatures and then go in. | for me to start from the point of view of these creatures and then go in. |
8 | 00:00:32,282 | 00:00:36,703 | There were a lot of things to figure out in this episode, | There were a lot of things to figure out in this episode, |
9 | 00:00:37,579 | 00:00:41,416 | as I wrote it. This scene was a lot longer. | as I wrote it. This scene was a lot longer. |
10 | 00:00:41,499 | 00:00:45,587 | This opening scene was probably twice as long as I originally wrote it, | This opening scene was probably twice as long as I originally wrote it, |
11 | 00:00:46,046 | 00:00:47,714 | and you're always juggling | and you're always juggling |
12 | 00:00:48,673 | 00:00:51,468 | how much you're explaining versus how much you're feeling | how much you're explaining versus how much you're feeling |
13 | 00:00:51,551 | 00:00:53,845 | "this is an actual conversation that could happen." | "this is an actual conversation that could happen." |
14 | 00:00:54,429 | 00:00:59,226 | As it turned out, I could trim it down and trim it down to just its essentials. | As it turned out, I could trim it down and trim it down to just its essentials. |
15 | 00:01:00,143 | 00:01:01,186 | But, man, | But, man, |
16 | 00:01:01,269 | 00:01:06,900 | there were a lot of diagrams and charts that I had to make to try to figure out | there were a lot of diagrams and charts that I had to make to try to figure out |
17 | 00:01:07,525 | 00:01:10,904 | how they open these doors and what's going on at the Jedi Temple. | how they open these doors and what's going on at the Jedi Temple. |
18 | 00:01:10,987 | 00:01:13,907 | And this was a tricky episode. | And this was a tricky episode. |
19 | 00:01:13,990 | 00:01:18,036 | But the opening part is... It was a fun part because I really was able | But the opening part is... It was a fun part because I really was able |
20 | 00:01:18,119 | 00:01:20,455 | to get into some of these ideas | to get into some of these ideas |
21 | 00:01:20,538 | 00:01:24,459 | with the wolves that I'd had, and some of their abilities. | with the wolves that I'd had, and some of their abilities. |
22 | 00:01:26,544 | 00:01:27,921 | I think it goes without saying that | I think it goes without saying that |
23 | 00:01:28,004 | 00:01:33,468 | I am obviously a very big fan of Miyazaki's film Princess Mononoke. | I am obviously a very big fan of Miyazaki's film Princess Mononoke. |
24 | 00:01:33,551 | 00:01:37,764 | I think it's unavoidable, you see the influence that it has, | I think it's unavoidable, you see the influence that it has, |
25 | 00:01:37,847 | 00:01:44,187 | as far as how I approach these wolves in this show. | as far as how I approach these wolves in this show. |
26 | 00:01:44,271 | 00:01:46,398 | But I've also had (CHUCKLES) a long history | But I've also had (CHUCKLES) a long history |
27 | 00:01:46,481 | 00:01:48,984 | of liking wolves, as some people know, | of liking wolves, as some people know, |
28 | 00:01:49,067 | 00:01:53,613 | that would go back to the film Never Cry Wolf by Carroll Ballard. | that would go back to the film Never Cry Wolf by Carroll Ballard. |
29 | 00:01:53,738 | 00:01:56,074 | It was a very big influence on me as a kid, | It was a very big influence on me as a kid, |
30 | 00:01:56,616 | 00:02:02,122 | and I've actually done quite a bit of research and study of wolves, | and I've actually done quite a bit of research and study of wolves, |
31 | 00:02:02,289 | 00:02:07,085 | and how they fit into the world | and how they fit into the world |
32 | 00:02:07,168 | 00:02:11,881 | and how we can have a role in their existence | and how we can have a role in their existence |
33 | 00:02:11,965 | 00:02:16,803 | and how we can help their existence, or, just what their conservation means. | and how we can help their existence, or, just what their conservation means. |
34 | 00:02:16,886 | 00:02:19,306 | If you want to really delve into that, | If you want to really delve into that, |
35 | 00:02:19,389 | 00:02:22,600 | there are some great resources out there like wolf.org | there are some great resources out there like wolf.org |
36 | 00:02:22,684 | 00:02:25,687 | where you can find out information. | where you can find out information. |
37 | 00:02:25,770 | 00:02:29,649 | But, yeah, the wolf is an interesting creature | But, yeah, the wolf is an interesting creature |
38 | 00:02:29,733 | 00:02:36,614 | because it creates such opposing forces in our world, our real world. | because it creates such opposing forces in our world, our real world. |
39 | 00:02:37,115 | 00:02:39,326 | They are seen as an aggressive creature, | They are seen as an aggressive creature, |
40 | 00:02:39,409 | 00:02:41,703 | and they're seen as a spiritual creature. | and they're seen as a spiritual creature. |
41 | 00:02:41,786 | 00:02:45,665 | So, that's like the Force to me, light and dark. | So, that's like the Force to me, light and dark. |
42 | 00:02:46,458 | 00:02:49,085 | And so much of that depends on our own point of view. | And so much of that depends on our own point of view. |
43 | 00:02:50,462 | 00:02:53,048 | Zeb, I think he would be the least knowledgeable | Zeb, I think he would be the least knowledgeable |
44 | 00:02:53,131 | 00:02:54,758 | of this whole thing with wolves, so, | of this whole thing with wolves, so, |
45 | 00:02:55,842 | 00:02:57,886 | it's fun to play him a little comically. | it's fun to play him a little comically. |
46 | 00:02:59,554 | 00:03:01,723 | And I love these wide vistas. | And I love these wide vistas. |
47 | 00:03:01,806 | 00:03:05,810 | It's almost a sea of grass. | It's almost a sea of grass. |
48 | 00:03:05,894 | 00:03:11,024 | This idea that they're going out into this vastness is always fun. | This idea that they're going out into this vastness is always fun. |
49 | 00:03:11,107 | 00:03:13,943 | And now Ezra has his own kind of little language. | And now Ezra has his own kind of little language. |
50 | 00:03:14,027 | 00:03:15,236 | That was a big moment 'cause | That was a big moment 'cause |
51 | 00:03:15,320 | 00:03:17,655 | Hera had never put her goggles down until that moment. | Hera had never put her goggles down until that moment. |
52 | 00:03:17,989 | 00:03:20,116 | We'd almost made it through the entire series without doing that, | We'd almost made it through the entire series without doing that, |
53 | 00:03:20,200 | 00:03:21,368 | which would have been crazy. | which would have been crazy. |
54 | 00:03:23,536 | 00:03:24,996 | It was very lucky that the wolf's head | It was very lucky that the wolf's head |
55 | 00:03:25,080 | 00:03:26,498 | was big enough to actually pick Chopper up, | was big enough to actually pick Chopper up, |
56 | 00:03:27,165 | 00:03:30,085 | so that was a fun thing, like a dog with a bone. | so that was a fun thing, like a dog with a bone. |
57 | 00:03:31,044 | 00:03:33,755 | And then, this racing across the grass, | And then, this racing across the grass, |
58 | 00:03:33,838 | 00:03:36,383 | which I had a couple different versions of, | which I had a couple different versions of, |
59 | 00:03:36,466 | 00:03:41,304 | with dialogue here and there, a way to convey that they're moving swiftly, | with dialogue here and there, a way to convey that they're moving swiftly, |
60 | 00:03:43,014 | 00:03:46,434 | that every one of the Rebels is now on board with this, | that every one of the Rebels is now on board with this, |
61 | 00:03:46,518 | 00:03:48,478 | mainly because they're doing it for Kanan. | mainly because they're doing it for Kanan. |
62 | 00:03:49,646 | 00:03:52,774 | So they're driven to some things that they might not normally do. | So they're driven to some things that they might not normally do. |
63 | 00:03:53,191 | 00:03:56,027 | But they have no idea how deep this experience is about to get. | But they have no idea how deep this experience is about to get. |
64 | 00:03:56,986 | 00:04:03,493 | And I wanted to play with this idea that the wolves are just so in tune | And I wanted to play with this idea that the wolves are just so in tune |
65 | 00:04:03,576 | 00:04:07,580 | with the world around them that they can just glide | with the world around them that they can just glide |
66 | 00:04:07,872 | 00:04:09,082 | right through the grass | right through the grass |
67 | 00:04:09,165 | 00:04:15,880 | into the very fabric of matter in the universe here, | into the very fabric of matter in the universe here, |
68 | 00:04:16,339 | 00:04:20,385 | and that our characters, if they're open to it just a little bit, | and that our characters, if they're open to it just a little bit, |
69 | 00:04:20,468 | 00:04:23,763 | they're just swept up in this, this shot in particular, | they're just swept up in this, this shot in particular, |
70 | 00:04:23,847 | 00:04:26,182 | where they just disappear under the grass, | where they just disappear under the grass, |
71 | 00:04:26,474 | 00:04:28,184 | like disappearing into water. | like disappearing into water. |
72 | 00:04:29,185 | 00:04:31,062 | It became quite a technical thing to do, but it was important to get you to this, | It became quite a technical thing to do, but it was important to get you to this, |
73 | 00:04:31,062 | 00:04:34,816 | It became quite a technical thing to do, but it was important to get you to this, | It became quite a technical thing to do, but it was important to get you to this, |
74 | 00:04:34,899 | 00:04:37,193 | which I just had this feeling | which I just had this feeling |
75 | 00:04:37,277 | 00:04:40,864 | that within the planet itself, are all these moments. | that within the planet itself, are all these moments. |
76 | 00:04:41,531 | 00:04:42,824 | You're in this kind of more... | You're in this kind of more... |
77 | 00:04:43,992 | 00:04:47,620 | You're either unconscious or incredibly conscious, I can't decide. | You're either unconscious or incredibly conscious, I can't decide. |
78 | 00:04:47,704 | 00:04:51,958 | But the characters are hearing these things. | But the characters are hearing these things. |
79 | 00:04:52,375 | 00:04:54,043 | They're passing through their mind. | They're passing through their mind. |
80 | 00:04:54,794 | 00:04:59,299 | They're passing just out of what they know as what they would call real, | They're passing just out of what they know as what they would call real, |
81 | 00:05:00,300 | 00:05:03,219 | these experiences, a lot surrounding Kanan. | these experiences, a lot surrounding Kanan. |
82 | 00:05:04,762 | 00:05:08,183 | And we see Ahsoka there mainly to set up | And we see Ahsoka there mainly to set up |
83 | 00:05:08,266 | 00:05:12,437 | the idea that she is going to be appearing in short order in the show. | the idea that she is going to be appearing in short order in the show. |
84 | 00:05:12,520 | 00:05:16,024 | And so I worked in a couple references to Ahsoka. | And so I worked in a couple references to Ahsoka. |
85 | 00:05:16,107 | 00:05:17,984 | It begins in the previous episode, actually, | It begins in the previous episode, actually, |
86 | 00:05:18,067 | 00:05:20,737 | where Ezra meets the Dume wolf, | where Ezra meets the Dume wolf, |
87 | 00:05:20,820 | 00:05:21,905 | and he brings up Ahsoka. | and he brings up Ahsoka. |
88 | 00:05:21,988 | 00:05:25,575 | So you have to lay these things in slowly to prime the viewer | So you have to lay these things in slowly to prime the viewer |
89 | 00:05:25,658 | 00:05:26,951 | that this is going to happen, | that this is going to happen, |
90 | 00:05:27,494 | 00:05:29,412 | this character will appear, and who is she? | this character will appear, and who is she? |
91 | 00:05:30,914 | 00:05:36,002 | This, like waking up from a dream, I think, is an important moment as well. | This, like waking up from a dream, I think, is an important moment as well. |
92 | 00:05:36,377 | 00:05:39,923 | Our characters have taken this step into a larger world. | Our characters have taken this step into a larger world. |
93 | 00:05:41,716 | 00:05:47,430 | This all just, I thought, worked really wonderfully and really conveyed | This all just, I thought, worked really wonderfully and really conveyed |
94 | 00:05:47,514 | 00:05:49,849 | what I was after in the story. | what I was after in the story. |
95 | 00:05:51,851 | 00:05:53,937 | And you have a range within the characters, I think, | And you have a range within the characters, I think, |
96 | 00:05:54,020 | 00:05:56,022 | of how much they're willing to believe any of this, | of how much they're willing to believe any of this, |
97 | 00:05:56,481 | 00:05:57,857 | or how much they even understand it. | or how much they even understand it. |
98 | 00:05:57,941 | 00:05:59,776 | I don't think most of them understand what's going on even. | I don't think most of them understand what's going on even. |
99 | 00:05:59,859 | 00:06:02,820 | I don't think even Ezra understands what's truly going on here. | I don't think even Ezra understands what's truly going on here. |
100 | 00:06:03,696 | 00:06:06,324 | But they're just giving in to this | But they're just giving in to this |
101 | 00:06:08,117 | 00:06:12,872 | kind of spiritual journey because it's for their friend Kanan, | kind of spiritual journey because it's for their friend Kanan, |
102 | 00:06:12,956 | 00:06:16,876 | and this is more a step in his world as a Jedi | and this is more a step in his world as a Jedi |
103 | 00:06:18,461 | 00:06:19,879 | of the world of being more connected | of the world of being more connected |
104 | 00:06:19,963 | 00:06:24,133 | to things, the world of impossible things. So... | to things, the world of impossible things. So... |
105 | 00:06:25,385 | 00:06:28,721 | And these are my leanings as a storyteller, I guess, too. | And these are my leanings as a storyteller, I guess, too. |
106 | 00:06:30,890 | 00:06:33,351 | Now this reveal, there had been an idea, | Now this reveal, there had been an idea, |
107 | 00:06:33,601 | 00:06:35,937 | ever since, when I designed the Jedi Temple, | ever since, when I designed the Jedi Temple, |
108 | 00:06:36,020 | 00:06:38,231 | I knew it raised and lowered from the ground, | I knew it raised and lowered from the ground, |
109 | 00:06:38,314 | 00:06:42,235 | so I'd always had this instinct that we should at some point excavate it. | so I'd always had this instinct that we should at some point excavate it. |
110 | 00:06:42,318 | 00:06:46,364 | And Henry and I had talked about an excavation of the temple | And Henry and I had talked about an excavation of the temple |
111 | 00:06:46,447 | 00:06:47,949 | as early as Season 2. | as early as Season 2. |
112 | 00:06:49,409 | 00:06:51,619 | But we'd never really hit upon the right thing. | But we'd never really hit upon the right thing. |
113 | 00:06:51,911 | 00:06:53,746 | What's inside the temple? What's inside the temple? | What's inside the temple? What's inside the temple? |
114 | 00:06:53,830 | 00:06:54,998 | It's always... | It's always... |
115 | 00:06:55,123 | 00:06:58,167 | The first instinct of everybody is, "It's a weapon of some kind." | The first instinct of everybody is, "It's a weapon of some kind." |
116 | 00:06:59,419 | 00:07:02,964 | Is it some kind of lightsaber? Is it... You know, what is it? | Is it some kind of lightsaber? Is it... You know, what is it? |
117 | 00:07:03,047 | 00:07:04,173 | It's always something physical. | It's always something physical. |
118 | 00:07:04,257 | 00:07:07,176 | And in the end, I didn't want to do any of that. | And in the end, I didn't want to do any of that. |
119 | 00:07:07,260 | 00:07:08,803 | There wasn't anything that we could come up with | There wasn't anything that we could come up with |
120 | 00:07:08,886 | 00:07:13,641 | that wouldn't seem a bit cliché, | that wouldn't seem a bit cliché, |
121 | 00:07:14,350 | 00:07:15,685 | another holocron. | another holocron. |
122 | 00:07:16,894 | 00:07:21,274 | It really is about the experience that Ezra has, | It really is about the experience that Ezra has, |
123 | 00:07:21,357 | 00:07:23,568 | and the idea isn't that there's anything in the temple, | and the idea isn't that there's anything in the temple, |
124 | 00:07:23,651 | 00:07:26,279 | but the temple itself is what's important, | but the temple itself is what's important, |
125 | 00:07:26,362 | 00:07:30,783 | and the ability to enter into this world of gateways, | and the ability to enter into this world of gateways, |
126 | 00:07:30,867 | 00:07:32,827 | this world of possibilities, | this world of possibilities, |
127 | 00:07:32,910 | 00:07:36,831 | and what that could mean powerfully for good or evil, again. | and what that could mean powerfully for good or evil, again. |
128 | 00:07:36,914 | 00:07:39,375 | So it's better when it's not something you expect, | So it's better when it's not something you expect, |
129 | 00:07:39,459 | 00:07:42,920 | or something that's, I think, an object. | or something that's, I think, an object. |
130 | 00:07:43,713 | 00:07:50,553 | Very simply, it's just too often the case. | Very simply, it's just too often the case. |
131 | 00:07:50,637 | 00:07:52,555 | And we've done it quite a bit on this show. | And we've done it quite a bit on this show. |
132 | 00:07:53,097 | 00:07:54,098 | In the last season, | In the last season, |
133 | 00:07:54,182 | 00:07:57,018 | everything had to be a bit different and be a bit more meaningful. | everything had to be a bit different and be a bit more meaningful. |
134 | 00:07:57,769 | 00:07:59,771 | And so, we found a way, I think, to do that. | And so, we found a way, I think, to do that. |
135 | 00:07:59,854 | 00:08:01,522 | But that was a discovery process. | But that was a discovery process. |
136 | 00:08:03,232 | 00:08:06,653 | The two-part arc of this episode and the next were... | The two-part arc of this episode and the next were... |
137 | 00:08:07,070 | 00:08:10,239 | In the beginning it was one episode, and I actually had to split it in two | In the beginning it was one episode, and I actually had to split it in two |
138 | 00:08:10,323 | 00:08:12,992 | because it took me the effort of one episode | because it took me the effort of one episode |
139 | 00:08:13,076 | 00:08:14,744 | just to figure out how to open the door. | just to figure out how to open the door. |
140 | 00:08:15,286 | 00:08:19,749 | It had to be a difficult task, and even then, to me, | It had to be a difficult task, and even then, to me, |
141 | 00:08:19,832 | 00:08:23,336 | sometimes seems a bit too easy, how they figure out how to get in there. | sometimes seems a bit too easy, how they figure out how to get in there. |
142 | 00:08:24,504 | 00:08:30,718 | Just for film buffs, there's probably some obvious influence from films | Just for film buffs, there's probably some obvious influence from films |
143 | 00:08:30,802 | 00:08:34,722 | like Close Encounters going on in this episode, | like Close Encounters going on in this episode, |
144 | 00:08:34,806 | 00:08:37,183 | a film that resonates within me. | a film that resonates within me. |
145 | 00:08:38,685 | 00:08:45,066 | I just really enjoy it and the way they have Devils Tower, | I just really enjoy it and the way they have Devils Tower, |
146 | 00:08:46,693 | 00:08:49,904 | the little setup. I took some inspiration from that. | the little setup. I took some inspiration from that. |
147 | 00:08:51,197 | 00:08:57,245 | I just enjoy these... I spent a lot of time as a kid in museums growing up. | I just enjoy these... I spent a lot of time as a kid in museums growing up. |
148 | 00:08:58,162 | 00:09:01,833 | Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania has a lot of great museums, | Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania has a lot of great museums, |
149 | 00:09:01,916 | 00:09:05,712 | and I spent a lot of time there looking at artwork, | and I spent a lot of time there looking at artwork, |
150 | 00:09:05,795 | 00:09:09,006 | looking at ancient ruins, looking at things from the past, | looking at ancient ruins, looking at things from the past, |
151 | 00:09:09,090 | 00:09:13,594 | and history, and science, and so, | and history, and science, and so, |
152 | 00:09:13,970 | 00:09:18,599 | maybe that's influenced a bit of what draws my attention to a story like this. | maybe that's influenced a bit of what draws my attention to a story like this. |
153 | 00:09:18,683 | 00:09:23,938 | But Malcolm McDowell here was fantastic as Hydan. | But Malcolm McDowell here was fantastic as Hydan. |
154 | 00:09:25,606 | 00:09:28,192 | I've been familiar with his work over the years, | I've been familiar with his work over the years, |
155 | 00:09:28,276 | 00:09:32,488 | and I thought it'd be really fun to have him playing this kind of villain | and I thought it'd be really fun to have him playing this kind of villain |
156 | 00:09:32,572 | 00:09:35,116 | that we haven't really had much of before. | that we haven't really had much of before. |
157 | 00:09:35,742 | 00:09:37,452 | He's a little more of an intellectual. | He's a little more of an intellectual. |
158 | 00:09:37,535 | 00:09:39,454 | There's nothing really physical about him as a villain. | There's nothing really physical about him as a villain. |
159 | 00:09:39,954 | 00:09:42,957 | He's gonna try to out think you. | He's gonna try to out think you. |
160 | 00:09:44,125 | 00:09:45,793 | He's a little more evil for it | He's a little more evil for it |
161 | 00:09:47,962 | 00:09:50,173 | 'cause you can't underestimate him. | 'cause you can't underestimate him. |
162 | 00:09:51,340 | 00:09:55,928 | The old mind trick, always a good one. Ezra's gotten a lot better at it. | The old mind trick, always a good one. Ezra's gotten a lot better at it. |
163 | 00:09:57,054 | 00:09:58,181 | (CHUCKLES) | (CHUCKLES) |
164 | 00:09:59,307 | 00:10:02,643 | These troopers, there's so much debate over if they should actually speak | These troopers, there's so much debate over if they should actually speak |
165 | 00:10:03,603 | 00:10:06,439 | in actual words or not, or just their coded messages. | in actual words or not, or just their coded messages. |
166 | 00:10:06,564 | 00:10:08,608 | But I'll let the debate rage on. | But I'll let the debate rage on. |
167 | 00:10:09,484 | 00:10:11,486 | I had a story to tell, so they needed to speak English. | I had a story to tell, so they needed to speak English. |
168 | 00:10:11,569 | 00:10:13,696 | It's pretty... Sometimes the decisions | It's pretty... Sometimes the decisions |
169 | 00:10:13,780 | 00:10:16,240 | are about as simple as that, I have to tell you. | are about as simple as that, I have to tell you. |
170 | 00:10:17,658 | 00:10:21,120 | One of the exciting things in this episode, for me, | One of the exciting things in this episode, for me, |
171 | 00:10:21,204 | 00:10:24,499 | was getting to work with Ian McDiarmid as Emperor Palpatine. | was getting to work with Ian McDiarmid as Emperor Palpatine. |
172 | 00:10:24,582 | 00:10:28,252 | And that was new, we did not have him in The Clone Wars. | And that was new, we did not have him in The Clone Wars. |
173 | 00:10:28,336 | 00:10:31,547 | But we were able to secure him for Rebels, | But we were able to secure him for Rebels, |
174 | 00:10:31,631 | 00:10:35,551 | which is a real great thing for us. | which is a real great thing for us. |
175 | 00:10:36,511 | 00:10:41,140 | It's just something special to have more performance | It's just something special to have more performance |
176 | 00:10:41,349 | 00:10:44,936 | from any of the original actors from the films, | from any of the original actors from the films, |
177 | 00:10:45,019 | 00:10:47,355 | and he brings real gravitas to our show here. | and he brings real gravitas to our show here. |
178 | 00:10:47,355 | 00:10:50,149 | And he brings real gravitas to our show here. | And he brings real gravitas to our show here. |
179 | 00:10:51,275 | 00:10:54,070 | Also, I'm trying to connect a lot of threads | Also, I'm trying to connect a lot of threads |
180 | 00:10:54,153 | 00:10:58,199 | from the different stories that I've been a part of over the years. | from the different stories that I've been a part of over the years. |
181 | 00:10:58,282 | 00:11:00,827 | So the Mortis Gods coming into play | So the Mortis Gods coming into play |
182 | 00:11:00,910 | 00:11:04,288 | is really giving you a look back into Clone Wars | is really giving you a look back into Clone Wars |
183 | 00:11:04,372 | 00:11:07,708 | and some earlier experiences of Anakin and Obi-Wan and their adventures. | and some earlier experiences of Anakin and Obi-Wan and their adventures. |
184 | 00:11:09,126 | 00:11:13,840 | I think that's fun for the people that have been watching these shows | I think that's fun for the people that have been watching these shows |
185 | 00:11:13,923 | 00:11:17,468 | for a while. And yet, if you've never seen any of that, | for a while. And yet, if you've never seen any of that, |
186 | 00:11:17,552 | 00:11:22,640 | it just sets up this idea of an ancient civilization, which I also think is fun. | it just sets up this idea of an ancient civilization, which I also think is fun. |
187 | 00:11:22,723 | 00:11:25,017 | You don't have to go back and watch those episodes. | You don't have to go back and watch those episodes. |
188 | 00:11:25,518 | 00:11:28,020 | They don't really play a part in what's going on here. | They don't really play a part in what's going on here. |
189 | 00:11:28,104 | 00:11:33,943 | But if you know them, you can understand the story on perhaps a deeper level. | But if you know them, you can understand the story on perhaps a deeper level. |
190 | 00:11:35,111 | 00:11:40,992 | The Emperor, so evil for having Ian portraying him once again, | The Emperor, so evil for having Ian portraying him once again, |
191 | 00:11:41,534 | 00:11:44,662 | and as you know, by the end I was able to have him even portray | and as you know, by the end I was able to have him even portray |
192 | 00:11:45,830 | 00:11:49,667 | the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, not just the evil Emperor Palpatine, | the Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, not just the evil Emperor Palpatine, |
193 | 00:11:49,750 | 00:11:52,753 | which is, I think, again, fun for him to do. | which is, I think, again, fun for him to do. |
194 | 00:11:53,504 | 00:11:55,756 | This was a very important moment. | This was a very important moment. |
195 | 00:11:57,049 | 00:11:59,302 | Kanan is not a Force ghost in this moment, | Kanan is not a Force ghost in this moment, |
196 | 00:11:59,385 | 00:12:03,514 | it's not that kind of thing. This is a look inside Hera's mind, | it's not that kind of thing. This is a look inside Hera's mind, |
197 | 00:12:03,764 | 00:12:06,684 | and how, up to this point, | and how, up to this point, |
198 | 00:12:06,767 | 00:12:12,565 | she had never really felt the loss of someone like this. | she had never really felt the loss of someone like this. |
199 | 00:12:12,690 | 00:12:14,400 | She had never really thought that | She had never really thought that |
200 | 00:12:16,235 | 00:12:20,656 | they were ever going to fail or not come back from a mission. | they were ever going to fail or not come back from a mission. |
201 | 00:12:20,740 | 00:12:23,993 | So now, the stakes going forward were so much higher | So now, the stakes going forward were so much higher |
202 | 00:12:24,076 | 00:12:27,830 | because the reality is they can perish on these missions. | because the reality is they can perish on these missions. |
203 | 00:12:29,081 | 00:12:33,336 | And I just thought it made a nice moment for her, | And I just thought it made a nice moment for her, |
204 | 00:12:33,669 | 00:12:37,590 | to see that she's still thinking about Kanan, | to see that she's still thinking about Kanan, |
205 | 00:12:37,673 | 00:12:41,302 | that she's being responsible then for these other people. | that she's being responsible then for these other people. |
206 | 00:12:43,638 | 00:12:44,764 | You know... | You know... |
207 | 00:12:45,514 | 00:12:47,767 | It gives you a powerful connection | It gives you a powerful connection |
208 | 00:12:47,850 | 00:12:51,854 | between the two, even with him not there. | between the two, even with him not there. |
209 | 00:12:53,564 | 00:12:57,526 | This is, again, just one of those moments | This is, again, just one of those moments |
210 | 00:12:57,944 | 00:13:01,822 | where you just let the artwork kind of speak for you. | where you just let the artwork kind of speak for you. |
211 | 00:13:01,906 | 00:13:06,827 | And I had drawn up this kind of star chart | And I had drawn up this kind of star chart |
212 | 00:13:06,911 | 00:13:09,080 | with the Mortis Gods in the middle and just... | with the Mortis Gods in the middle and just... |
213 | 00:13:09,997 | 00:13:11,958 | Kilian Plunkett did an incredible job | Kilian Plunkett did an incredible job |
214 | 00:13:12,041 | 00:13:15,628 | at bringing that to life in a spectacular way. | at bringing that to life in a spectacular way. |
215 | 00:13:17,588 | 00:13:22,385 | I love these constellation maps and star charts. | I love these constellation maps and star charts. |
216 | 00:13:22,718 | 00:13:28,015 | There's something amazing about them. I've used them in Clone Wars. | There's something amazing about them. I've used them in Clone Wars. |
217 | 00:13:28,724 | 00:13:32,645 | There's a fantastic map in the movie Time Bandits. | There's a fantastic map in the movie Time Bandits. |
218 | 00:13:33,020 | 00:13:38,985 | There's just... There's something really inspirational for me | There's just... There's something really inspirational for me |
219 | 00:13:39,068 | 00:13:42,780 | about this idea of traveling between the stars | about this idea of traveling between the stars |
220 | 00:13:42,863 | 00:13:45,533 | and secret maps and secret ways | and secret maps and secret ways |
221 | 00:13:46,659 | 00:13:48,703 | whether it be secret doors in a house, | whether it be secret doors in a house, |
222 | 00:13:48,786 | 00:13:54,625 | or ways into the wood between the worlds in Narnia, | or ways into the wood between the worlds in Narnia, |
223 | 00:13:54,709 | 00:13:56,877 | or through the wardrobe itself. | or through the wardrobe itself. |
224 | 00:13:58,629 | 00:14:01,924 | I think it's something that kids really understand. | I think it's something that kids really understand. |
225 | 00:14:02,008 | 00:14:05,803 | You travel through a thicket in the woods | You travel through a thicket in the woods |
226 | 00:14:05,886 | 00:14:08,472 | and you come out the other side in a fantastic kingdom. | and you come out the other side in a fantastic kingdom. |
227 | 00:14:08,556 | 00:14:13,811 | There's just these ways of moving through time and space | There's just these ways of moving through time and space |
228 | 00:14:13,894 | 00:14:20,026 | that are quite magical and hidden and in our subconscious, really, | that are quite magical and hidden and in our subconscious, really, |
229 | 00:14:20,401 | 00:14:21,819 | to believe in, so... | to believe in, so... |
230 | 00:14:23,029 | 00:14:27,241 | Here, the kids are trying to figure out this puzzle, | Here, the kids are trying to figure out this puzzle, |
231 | 00:14:27,992 | 00:14:30,327 | (LAUGHS) and very much I was trying to figure out | (LAUGHS) and very much I was trying to figure out |
232 | 00:14:30,411 | 00:14:31,912 | how this all worked as well. | how this all worked as well. |
233 | 00:14:31,996 | 00:14:36,208 | It had to be, as I've said, believable, difficult, | It had to be, as I've said, believable, difficult, |
234 | 00:14:36,292 | 00:14:38,544 | but also easy to understand, | but also easy to understand, |
235 | 00:14:38,961 | 00:14:43,257 | so that the audience can be right with them as they're figuring it out. | so that the audience can be right with them as they're figuring it out. |
236 | 00:14:44,884 | 00:14:47,720 | It can't be something that's too obvious, | It can't be something that's too obvious, |
237 | 00:14:48,554 | 00:14:51,557 | but it has to be just on that edge of understanding. | but it has to be just on that edge of understanding. |
238 | 00:14:51,640 | 00:14:53,434 | And if somebody said, "Well, how did they figure it out?" | And if somebody said, "Well, how did they figure it out?" |
239 | 00:14:53,517 | 00:14:56,145 | Hopefully somebody else in the room is getting it. | Hopefully somebody else in the room is getting it. |
240 | 00:14:57,271 | 00:15:04,111 | I'd wanted to implement 2D animation for a long time in one of our shows, | I'd wanted to implement 2D animation for a long time in one of our shows, |
241 | 00:15:04,195 | 00:15:09,742 | and my friends over at Ghostbot Animation did a great job | and my friends over at Ghostbot Animation did a great job |
242 | 00:15:09,825 | 00:15:15,122 | at making these paintings come to life in a wonderful way. | at making these paintings come to life in a wonderful way. |
243 | 00:15:15,206 | 00:15:17,208 | They've really stayed true to the artwork, | They've really stayed true to the artwork, |
244 | 00:15:17,958 | 00:15:18,542 | and it's just a bizarre, | and it's just a bizarre, |
245 | 00:15:18,542 | 00:15:22,546 | and it's just a bizarre, | and it's just a bizarre, |
246 | 00:15:23,255 | 00:15:26,467 | wonderful moment when these things start moving, and... | wonderful moment when these things start moving, and... |
247 | 00:15:27,885 | 00:15:28,928 | Just kind of... | Just kind of... |
248 | 00:15:29,011 | 00:15:32,598 | Again, it's nothing that we've done before visually, | Again, it's nothing that we've done before visually, |
249 | 00:15:32,681 | 00:15:35,810 | and I liked the opportunity to do that. | and I liked the opportunity to do that. |
250 | 00:15:37,603 | 00:15:41,524 | So here, you know, is some explaining, but I think if you're drawn in enough, | So here, you know, is some explaining, but I think if you're drawn in enough, |
251 | 00:15:41,607 | 00:15:43,943 | you really enjoy the explanation. | you really enjoy the explanation. |
252 | 00:15:44,485 | 00:15:49,281 | I rewrote this so many times to make it work. | I rewrote this so many times to make it work. |
253 | 00:15:49,365 | 00:15:50,658 | I had it working a couple different ways | I had it working a couple different ways |
254 | 00:15:50,741 | 00:15:52,910 | and thought, "That's not complex enough, " | and thought, "That's not complex enough, " |
255 | 00:15:52,993 | 00:15:57,331 | so again, if you're wondering, yes, a lot of work goes into this | so again, if you're wondering, yes, a lot of work goes into this |
256 | 00:15:57,414 | 00:16:03,003 | and it is a challenge, as you're constantly running out of time | and it is a challenge, as you're constantly running out of time |
257 | 00:16:03,420 | 00:16:05,089 | to try to figure out how to make this work. | to try to figure out how to make this work. |
258 | 00:16:05,673 | 00:16:07,800 | I had longer versions of all these scenes, | I had longer versions of all these scenes, |
259 | 00:16:07,883 | 00:16:12,638 | but you gotta distill it down into what's going to work here. | but you gotta distill it down into what's going to work here. |
260 | 00:16:12,721 | 00:16:15,975 | You need tension between the guards coming and discovering them, | You need tension between the guards coming and discovering them, |
261 | 00:16:16,058 | 00:16:18,144 | and Ezra actually figuring out how to open the door. | and Ezra actually figuring out how to open the door. |
262 | 00:16:19,562 | 00:16:21,897 | So, this is just a fun adventure. | So, this is just a fun adventure. |
263 | 00:16:21,981 | 00:16:26,235 | I really looked forward to writing this episode the whole season. | I really looked forward to writing this episode the whole season. |
264 | 00:16:26,986 | 00:16:31,740 | It feels like something I've been trying to say for a long time, | It feels like something I've been trying to say for a long time, |
265 | 00:16:31,824 | 00:16:37,538 | and the team just brought it all together so beautifully. | and the team just brought it all together so beautifully. |
266 | 00:16:38,956 | 00:16:42,042 | I really enjoy these episodes. | I really enjoy these episodes. |
267 | 00:16:42,751 | 00:16:47,506 | This kind of banter here is a bit tricky with the stormtroopers, too. | This kind of banter here is a bit tricky with the stormtroopers, too. |
268 | 00:16:48,757 | 00:16:50,801 | The stormtroopers are all very methodical, | The stormtroopers are all very methodical, |
269 | 00:16:50,885 | 00:16:55,723 | and they're dealing with reports and what would sound like paperwork, | and they're dealing with reports and what would sound like paperwork, |
270 | 00:16:55,806 | 00:16:58,517 | and they have codes for everything, | and they have codes for everything, |
271 | 00:16:58,893 | 00:17:05,733 | (LAUGHS) the complete opposite of a more artistic-minded community. | (LAUGHS) the complete opposite of a more artistic-minded community. |
272 | 00:17:06,275 | 00:17:10,571 | Certainly it's a challenge for me to write all this bizarre dialogue, | Certainly it's a challenge for me to write all this bizarre dialogue, |
273 | 00:17:12,865 | 00:17:16,035 | about military matters or archaeological digs, | about military matters or archaeological digs, |
274 | 00:17:17,369 | 00:17:19,163 | but I think it comes across well, | but I think it comes across well, |
275 | 00:17:19,246 | 00:17:23,250 | and Sabine is using her own mind to deceive these guys, | and Sabine is using her own mind to deceive these guys, |
276 | 00:17:23,334 | 00:17:24,752 | to draw attention away from Ezra. | to draw attention away from Ezra. |
277 | 00:17:25,002 | 00:17:30,216 | Very sacrificial here, very self-sacrificing to draw them away. | Very sacrificial here, very self-sacrificing to draw them away. |
278 | 00:17:30,299 | 00:17:33,886 | Matt Wood, not very happy about | Matt Wood, not very happy about |
279 | 00:17:35,721 | 00:17:38,349 | filling out his own report there as a stormtrooper. | filling out his own report there as a stormtrooper. |
280 | 00:17:38,641 | 00:17:42,394 | He had a very funny line that we left in there. | He had a very funny line that we left in there. |
281 | 00:17:42,478 | 00:17:43,938 | Matt, he's a good stormtrooper. | Matt, he's a good stormtrooper. |
282 | 00:17:45,022 | 00:17:47,983 | But here's the moment where the painting comes to life, | But here's the moment where the painting comes to life, |
283 | 00:17:48,067 | 00:17:50,653 | and this kind of stuff just really captivates me. | and this kind of stuff just really captivates me. |
284 | 00:17:52,446 | 00:17:56,867 | It could have been more complex... If we were blowing this out in a movie, | It could have been more complex... If we were blowing this out in a movie, |
285 | 00:17:56,951 | 00:18:01,163 | I would make this a lot more complex, not change the detailed elements of it, | I would make this a lot more complex, not change the detailed elements of it, |
286 | 00:18:01,247 | 00:18:04,792 | but have a lot more moving parts to this transformation. | but have a lot more moving parts to this transformation. |
287 | 00:18:04,875 | 00:18:08,587 | But I have to accomplish everything within a certain amount of time, | But I have to accomplish everything within a certain amount of time, |
288 | 00:18:08,671 | 00:18:12,174 | and I think this tells the story well enough. | and I think this tells the story well enough. |
289 | 00:18:12,675 | 00:18:16,178 | We had to match all the continuity in the painting as it's moving. | We had to match all the continuity in the painting as it's moving. |
290 | 00:18:17,179 | 00:18:19,682 | In the background of shots to make sure it all matches up. | In the background of shots to make sure it all matches up. |
291 | 00:18:21,100 | 00:18:23,352 | I got wolves in here every possible way. | I got wolves in here every possible way. |
292 | 00:18:23,435 | 00:18:28,440 | I got actual wolves, painted wolves, (CHUCKLES) there's all kinds. | I got actual wolves, painted wolves, (CHUCKLES) there's all kinds. |
293 | 00:18:28,607 | 00:18:34,989 | This is the be-all for the wolves in Star Wars for me, I guess. | This is the be-all for the wolves in Star Wars for me, I guess. |
294 | 00:18:35,197 | 00:18:39,368 | You gotta do this stuff when you can, and it made sense in the story, so... | You gotta do this stuff when you can, and it made sense in the story, so... |
295 | 00:18:41,161 | 00:18:42,997 | I love as they're walking along the wall there. | I love as they're walking along the wall there. |
296 | 00:18:43,080 | 00:18:44,540 | It's just interesting. | It's just interesting. |
297 | 00:18:45,291 | 00:18:49,211 | We had a great planetarium, again, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania growing up, | We had a great planetarium, again, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania growing up, |
298 | 00:18:49,837 | 00:18:52,506 | and the school used to always go there on field trips. | and the school used to always go there on field trips. |
299 | 00:18:52,673 | 00:18:58,470 | All this stuff must be bounced around in my head, and years later, (CHUCKLES) | All this stuff must be bounced around in my head, and years later, (CHUCKLES) |
300 | 00:18:58,554 | 00:19:01,765 | It comes out in a Star Wars episode, which is kind of fascinating. | It comes out in a Star Wars episode, which is kind of fascinating. |
301 | 00:19:03,434 | 00:19:05,561 | Again, trying to play a little humor in here, | Again, trying to play a little humor in here, |
302 | 00:19:05,644 | 00:19:08,981 | especially with Zeb having eyes on the scene, | especially with Zeb having eyes on the scene, |
303 | 00:19:10,733 | 00:19:14,194 | just to, if you're not believing in this all the way, | just to, if you're not believing in this all the way, |
304 | 00:19:14,278 | 00:19:15,946 | then you're more on Zeb's side of things. | then you're more on Zeb's side of things. |
305 | 00:19:17,323 | 00:19:20,784 | But just coming up with these magic moments, | But just coming up with these magic moments, |
306 | 00:19:22,244 | 00:19:28,167 | I was describing this to the team when I pitched this whole episode, | I was describing this to the team when I pitched this whole episode, |
307 | 00:19:28,250 | 00:19:31,086 | I was like, I felt like Indiana Jones | I was like, I felt like Indiana Jones |
308 | 00:19:31,170 | 00:19:33,005 | explaining how the Ark of the Covenant works | explaining how the Ark of the Covenant works |
309 | 00:19:33,088 | 00:19:35,049 | to those government officials. | to those government officials. |
310 | 00:19:35,132 | 00:19:38,469 | I had a big whiteboard at the story meeting, | I had a big whiteboard at the story meeting, |
311 | 00:19:38,552 | 00:19:39,970 | and Kiri Hart was there, | and Kiri Hart was there, |
312 | 00:19:40,054 | 00:19:43,849 | and Carrie Beck was there, Henry, and Steve Melching, | and Carrie Beck was there, Henry, and Steve Melching, |
313 | 00:19:43,932 | 00:19:48,645 | and I'm just describing this whole episode front-to-back, | and I'm just describing this whole episode front-to-back, |
314 | 00:19:48,729 | 00:19:53,484 | I had diagrams of this Jedi Temple, and how they'd excavated, | I had diagrams of this Jedi Temple, and how they'd excavated, |
315 | 00:19:53,567 | 00:19:55,694 | and these moving paintings are happening. | and these moving paintings are happening. |
316 | 00:19:55,778 | 00:20:02,368 | And I can never tell in those meetings if they like what I'm saying, | And I can never tell in those meetings if they like what I'm saying, |
317 | 00:20:02,451 | 00:20:05,954 | or if they're just like, " Just do it, | or if they're just like, " Just do it, |
318 | 00:20:06,205 | 00:20:08,040 | "we know we can't stop you anyway." | "we know we can't stop you anyway." |
319 | 00:20:08,665 | 00:20:12,711 | But they ask some great questions that get me thinking | But they ask some great questions that get me thinking |
320 | 00:20:13,379 | 00:20:19,802 | on how to really solve for all of this and make it better. | on how to really solve for all of this and make it better. |
321 | 00:20:19,885 | 00:20:22,012 | I mean, that's what the team effort is for. | I mean, that's what the team effort is for. |
322 | 00:20:22,096 | 00:20:24,765 | You're a group trying to figure out these problems, | You're a group trying to figure out these problems, |
323 | 00:20:24,848 | 00:20:30,396 | and you're a group trying to make these stories come across as best they can. | and you're a group trying to make these stories come across as best they can. |
324 | 00:20:30,938 | 00:20:35,025 | That's why I tell these stories quite often to the crew working on them. | That's why I tell these stories quite often to the crew working on them. |
325 | 00:20:35,109 | 00:20:39,655 | I work out a lot of problems talking with them and throwing ideas at them. | I work out a lot of problems talking with them and throwing ideas at them. |
326 | 00:20:40,781 | 00:20:42,366 | I'll give them movies to watch. | I'll give them movies to watch. |
327 | 00:20:43,367 | 00:20:46,120 | Just so we're all on the same page telling this story. | Just so we're all on the same page telling this story. |
328 | 00:20:48,247 | 00:20:52,543 | There we are, look, I got a magic door with running wolves, | There we are, look, I got a magic door with running wolves, |
329 | 00:20:52,626 | 00:20:54,920 | which is kind of fascinating. | which is kind of fascinating. |
330 | 00:20:55,003 | 00:20:58,465 | But this was great effects that Joel and the team were doing, | But this was great effects that Joel and the team were doing, |
331 | 00:20:59,800 | 00:21:05,681 | preparing you for the mystery of this gateway, whatever that means, | preparing you for the mystery of this gateway, whatever that means, |
332 | 00:21:06,557 | 00:21:10,269 | as we're about to leap into the unknown. And who doesn't want to do that? | as we're about to leap into the unknown. And who doesn't want to do that? |
333 | 00:21:10,936 | 00:21:13,522 | That's one of the bravest things that you can do is, | That's one of the bravest things that you can do is, |
334 | 00:21:14,523 | 00:21:20,154 | just leap of faith through the material | just leap of faith through the material |
335 | 00:21:20,571 | 00:21:21,989 | into the immaterial. | into the immaterial. |
336 | 00:21:22,739 | 00:21:25,576 | It's practically like a Buckaroo Banzai thing in that moment, | It's practically like a Buckaroo Banzai thing in that moment, |
337 | 00:21:25,659 | 00:21:29,455 | if you're familiar, but that's probably out of reach for some people. | if you're familiar, but that's probably out of reach for some people. |
338 | 00:21:29,746 | 00:21:33,584 | But there you go. Well, that's a look at Wolves and a Door, | But there you go. Well, that's a look at Wolves and a Door, |
339 | 00:21:33,667 | 00:21:34,293 | which is one of my favorite episodes. I hope you enjoyed it. | which is one of my favorite episodes. I hope you enjoyed it. |
340 | 00:21:34,293 | 00:21:36,420 | Which is one of my favorite episodes. I hope you enjoyed it. | Which is one of my favorite episodes. I hope you enjoyed it. |
341 | 00:21:37,421 | 00:21:40,382 | And I hope that you learned something maybe a little bit more, | And I hope that you learned something maybe a little bit more, |
342 | 00:21:40,924 | 00:21:43,385 | with some insight into that particular episode. | with some insight into that particular episode. |
343 | 00:21:44,136 | 00:21:45,304 | It's very fun to make, | It's very fun to make, |
344 | 00:21:45,387 | 00:21:50,142 | and thank you very much for watching more of Star Wars Rebels. | and thank you very much for watching more of Star Wars Rebels. |
345 | 00:21:50,559 | 00:21:53,145 | And, as always, may the Force be with you. | And, as always, may the Force be with you. |
346 | 00:21:53,228 | 00:21:55,230 | (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) | (THEME MUSIC PLAYING) |