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1 | 00:00:01,751 | 00:00:05,463 | Hey, this is Dave Filoni, executive producer on Star Wars Rebels. | Hey, this is Dave Filoni, executive producer on Star Wars Rebels. |
2 | 00:00:05,964 | 00:00:10,010 | And I'm going to talk about the episode today, Jedi Night. | And I'm going to talk about the episode today, Jedi Night. |
3 | 00:00:11,386 | 00:00:14,681 | This episode was a long time in coming... | This episode was a long time in coming... |
4 | 00:00:15,182 | 00:00:19,352 | dealing with Kanan and his overall arc. | dealing with Kanan and his overall arc. |
5 | 00:00:20,604 | 00:00:23,689 | This moment, building in this episode, | This moment, building in this episode, |
6 | 00:00:23,773 | 00:00:27,485 | is something that I spoke to Freddie... | is something that I spoke to Freddie... |
7 | 00:00:28,486 | 00:00:30,404 | about in the very first season. | about in the very first season. |
8 | 00:00:30,488 | 00:00:32,907 | I wasn't sure about the details of what was going to happen yet, | I wasn't sure about the details of what was going to happen yet, |
9 | 00:00:32,991 | 00:00:36,244 | but I was throwing around the idea that | but I was throwing around the idea that |
10 | 00:00:36,328 | 00:00:38,454 | probably Kanan wouldn't make it through the series. | probably Kanan wouldn't make it through the series. |
11 | 00:00:38,538 | 00:00:41,958 | And Freddie was always tremendously supportive of that idea. | And Freddie was always tremendously supportive of that idea. |
12 | 00:00:44,169 | 00:00:46,045 | And when you're going to do that with a character, | And when you're going to do that with a character, |
13 | 00:00:46,129 | 00:00:47,296 | especially a major character, | especially a major character, |
14 | 00:00:47,380 | 00:00:50,508 | when you're going to take them out of the show... | when you're going to take them out of the show... |
15 | 00:00:51,301 | 00:00:55,222 | you have to make sure that you set everything up to make it meaningful. | you have to make sure that you set everything up to make it meaningful. |
16 | 00:00:56,056 | 00:00:57,807 | There's a responsibility in it. | There's a responsibility in it. |
17 | 00:00:57,891 | 00:01:03,104 | It's not something that you do that's sensational or for shock value, | It's not something that you do that's sensational or for shock value, |
18 | 00:01:03,188 | 00:01:05,857 | at least not for me. | at least not for me. |
19 | 00:01:06,107 | 00:01:10,695 | It has to be a big part of explaining the story | It has to be a big part of explaining the story |
20 | 00:01:10,779 | 00:01:12,989 | and what we're supposed to take away from it. | and what we're supposed to take away from it. |
21 | 00:01:13,865 | 00:01:16,450 | I think now there's a lot of overriding sense in films to just, | I think now there's a lot of overriding sense in films to just, |
22 | 00:01:16,534 | 00:01:19,913 | I think now there's a lot of overriding sense in films to just... | I think now there's a lot of overriding sense in films to just... |
23 | 00:01:20,997 | 00:01:25,793 | not follow traditional narratives and heroic story arcs, | not follow traditional narratives and heroic story arcs, |
24 | 00:01:25,877 | 00:01:28,880 | and to shockingly kill off characters and heroes... | and to shockingly kill off characters and heroes... |
25 | 00:01:30,131 | 00:01:33,281 | so the audience plays a guessing game of who's going to go next. | so the audience plays a guessing game of who's going to go next. |
26 | 00:01:36,471 | 00:01:37,806 | And I think that... | And I think that... |
27 | 00:01:38,598 | 00:01:41,559 | your story that is reacting to the overall picture | your story that is reacting to the overall picture |
28 | 00:01:41,643 | 00:01:43,186 | of stories out there in the world | of stories out there in the world |
29 | 00:01:43,270 | 00:01:46,522 | instead of being true to what your story intended. | instead of being true to what your story intended. |
30 | 00:01:46,606 | 00:01:51,736 | So, in our story, Kanan had to meet his end in order to enable | So, in our story, Kanan had to meet his end in order to enable |
31 | 00:01:51,820 | 00:01:56,908 | the other characters, not just Ezra, but all of them, to find their path. | the other characters, not just Ezra, but all of them, to find their path. |
32 | 00:01:58,285 | 00:02:04,457 | We've done many different scenes like this in Rebels... | We've done many different scenes like this in Rebels... |
33 | 00:02:05,375 | 00:02:07,210 | with the shocking whatnot, | with the shocking whatnot, |
34 | 00:02:07,294 | 00:02:10,338 | but the important element here to me is Thrawn | but the important element here to me is Thrawn |
35 | 00:02:10,422 | 00:02:14,134 | and how he tries to get inside people's heads. | and how he tries to get inside people's heads. |
36 | 00:02:15,343 | 00:02:18,596 | It was an opportunity to give a little insight, | It was an opportunity to give a little insight, |
37 | 00:02:18,680 | 00:02:22,017 | a little more insight, into the personal background of Hera... | a little more insight, into the personal background of Hera... |
38 | 00:02:22,600 | 00:02:26,813 | that she had possibly had a brother who died when she was very young. | that she had possibly had a brother who died when she was very young. |
39 | 00:02:28,064 | 00:02:30,984 | The idea that he would know things about her... | The idea that he would know things about her... |
40 | 00:02:32,402 | 00:02:35,655 | that are personal is very invasive. | that are personal is very invasive. |
41 | 00:02:36,364 | 00:02:40,743 | It shows that, while he likes art and studies it, | It shows that, while he likes art and studies it, |
42 | 00:02:40,827 | 00:02:43,287 | he doesn't really have an appreciation or understanding | he doesn't really have an appreciation or understanding |
43 | 00:02:43,371 | 00:02:44,872 | for the emotional value of it, | for the emotional value of it, |
44 | 00:02:44,956 | 00:02:49,085 | for probably what drives the creation of art... | for probably what drives the creation of art... |
45 | 00:02:49,794 | 00:02:53,589 | what's inside the minds of these people. | what's inside the minds of these people. |
46 | 00:02:53,673 | 00:02:55,383 | He's just a manipulator. | He's just a manipulator. |
47 | 00:02:55,800 | 00:02:59,596 | But I don't think art is something that he would really aspire to himself. | But I don't think art is something that he would really aspire to himself. |
48 | 00:03:00,388 | 00:03:01,847 | He appropriates things. | He appropriates things. |
49 | 00:03:01,931 | 00:03:03,725 | He takes them and he uses them... | He takes them and he uses them... |
50 | 00:03:04,267 | 00:03:08,897 | often against the very people that made the art or the statement. | often against the very people that made the art or the statement. |
51 | 00:03:10,148 | 00:03:15,278 | This scene is just to let him kind of have his moment... | This scene is just to let him kind of have his moment... |
52 | 00:03:16,279 | 00:03:21,742 | where he's working her to then make what Pryce has to do a bit easier. | where he's working her to then make what Pryce has to do a bit easier. |
53 | 00:03:21,826 | 00:03:24,676 | And Pryce is just, she doesn't care about things like art. | And Pryce is just, she doesn't care about things like art. |
54 | 00:03:24,913 | 00:03:28,333 | She probably just enjoys the torture moment of it all... | She probably just enjoys the torture moment of it all... |
55 | 00:03:28,833 | 00:03:30,543 | the pain and the suffering of someone. | the pain and the suffering of someone. |
56 | 00:03:30,627 | 00:03:33,337 | And really, when villains do that type of thing, | And really, when villains do that type of thing, |
57 | 00:03:33,421 | 00:03:35,381 | it's because they themselves are suffering, | it's because they themselves are suffering, |
58 | 00:03:35,465 | 00:03:36,966 | they themselves are afraid. | they themselves are afraid. |
59 | 00:03:38,885 | 00:03:44,933 | Being evil is a very sad, lonesome, horrid thing at the end of the day. | Being evil is a very sad, lonesome, horrid thing at the end of the day. |
60 | 00:03:45,767 | 00:03:48,767 | Your powers are all gained through the suffering of others... | Your powers are all gained through the suffering of others... |
61 | 00:03:49,479 | 00:03:52,179 | which is quite, in the end, sad, if you think about it. | which is quite, in the end, sad, if you think about it. |
62 | 00:03:53,400 | 00:03:58,946 | Ezra, of course, could key in on Hera in this moment of torture. | Ezra, of course, could key in on Hera in this moment of torture. |
63 | 00:03:59,030 | 00:04:01,866 | So, they're going to devise a plan. | So, they're going to devise a plan. |
64 | 00:04:02,075 | 00:04:04,160 | Something you see towards the back end of Rebels | Something you see towards the back end of Rebels |
65 | 00:04:04,244 | 00:04:07,789 | is the younger characters taking the lead more. | is the younger characters taking the lead more. |
66 | 00:04:07,914 | 00:04:11,500 | Sabine and Ezra both have to take the lead | Sabine and Ezra both have to take the lead |
67 | 00:04:11,584 | 00:04:15,588 | that Hera and Kanan used to in the early days of the show. | that Hera and Kanan used to in the early days of the show. |
68 | 00:04:16,464 | 00:04:21,094 | They are following in the footsteps of these parental-like figures. | They are following in the footsteps of these parental-like figures. |
69 | 00:04:21,845 | 00:04:24,930 | And they, of course, have their Uncle Zeb here | And they, of course, have their Uncle Zeb here |
70 | 00:04:25,014 | 00:04:28,643 | to ask questions and to get them to do their best. | to ask questions and to get them to do their best. |
71 | 00:04:29,310 | 00:04:35,775 | I have no idea why we name everything on Lothal a Loth-something... | I have no idea why we name everything on Lothal a Loth-something... |
72 | 00:04:36,234 | 00:04:40,196 | a Loth-cat, Loth-bat, Loth-rat, Loth-wolf. I don't know why. | a Loth-cat, Loth-bat, Loth-rat, Loth-wolf. I don't know why. |
73 | 00:04:40,655 | 00:04:44,658 | Probably just for an ease of naming, that you know they're from Lothal, | Probably just for an ease of naming, that you know they're from Lothal, |
74 | 00:04:44,742 | 00:04:50,081 | but it wasn't something that was necessarily set on in the beginning | but it wasn't something that was necessarily set on in the beginning |
75 | 00:04:50,165 | 00:04:52,583 | to say they must be done that way. | to say they must be done that way. |
76 | 00:04:52,667 | 00:04:56,212 | But we just kind of stuck with it throughout the series. | But we just kind of stuck with it throughout the series. |
77 | 00:04:56,546 | 00:05:00,633 | This scene with Kanan is very ceremonial. | This scene with Kanan is very ceremonial. |
78 | 00:05:00,717 | 00:05:05,305 | It's kind of him being in a transitional moment. | It's kind of him being in a transitional moment. |
79 | 00:05:06,097 | 00:05:10,310 | For this scene, which is very montage-like for us, | For this scene, which is very montage-like for us, |
80 | 00:05:10,518 | 00:05:12,978 | I talked to Kevin about doing some music | I talked to Kevin about doing some music |
81 | 00:05:13,062 | 00:05:16,399 | that was a bit different than we've normally done it. | that was a bit different than we've normally done it. |
82 | 00:05:17,358 | 00:05:22,238 | I think in some ways there's a rhythm that's slightly more modern and moving | I think in some ways there's a rhythm that's slightly more modern and moving |
83 | 00:05:22,363 | 00:05:26,742 | as far as the tempo than things that we've normally done | as far as the tempo than things that we've normally done |
84 | 00:05:26,826 | 00:05:30,538 | for Star Wars, or Star Wars Rebels specifically. | for Star Wars, or Star Wars Rebels specifically. |
85 | 00:05:31,789 | 00:05:34,792 | But it's just to set up, this moment of ingenuity | But it's just to set up, this moment of ingenuity |
86 | 00:05:34,876 | 00:05:36,711 | and this moment of transformation... | and this moment of transformation... |
87 | 00:05:37,295 | 00:05:40,548 | and I love how it nicely ends with the Star Wars theme | and I love how it nicely ends with the Star Wars theme |
88 | 00:05:40,632 | 00:05:44,302 | when Kanan is revealed here ready to go. | when Kanan is revealed here ready to go. |
89 | 00:05:46,471 | 00:05:47,722 | Just a nice moment. | Just a nice moment. |
90 | 00:05:51,226 | 00:05:57,732 | Now this scene, you're always influenced by different movies and things. | Now this scene, you're always influenced by different movies and things. |
91 | 00:05:59,108 | 00:06:03,612 | Definitely I drew from several movies that are among my favorites | Definitely I drew from several movies that are among my favorites |
92 | 00:06:03,696 | 00:06:10,036 | or things that kind of emotionally inspired me over the years. | or things that kind of emotionally inspired me over the years. |
93 | 00:06:10,703 | 00:06:13,622 | A sequence here, and I don't always speak about it, | A sequence here, and I don't always speak about it, |
94 | 00:06:13,706 | 00:06:17,210 | but I really love the soundtrack to the film Always... | but I really love the soundtrack to the film Always... |
95 | 00:06:18,169 | 00:06:23,508 | the Steven Spielberg film, John Williams soundtrack... | the Steven Spielberg film, John Williams soundtrack... |
96 | 00:06:24,509 | 00:06:28,846 | and dealing with pilots fighting forest fires. | and dealing with pilots fighting forest fires. |
97 | 00:06:29,347 | 00:06:32,725 | And that seemed to me the music, | And that seemed to me the music, |
98 | 00:06:32,809 | 00:06:37,396 | and it was very inspirational for this uplifting effort happening here. | and it was very inspirational for this uplifting effort happening here. |
99 | 00:06:37,480 | 00:06:44,361 | So, there's often a lot of music that I use to inspire the structure, | So, there's often a lot of music that I use to inspire the structure, |
100 | 00:06:44,445 | 00:06:46,573 | the writing of things that I'm doing... | the writing of things that I'm doing... |
101 | 00:06:46,948 | 00:06:50,493 | and I'll listen to these tracks relentlessly just to get my mind... | and I'll listen to these tracks relentlessly just to get my mind... |
102 | 00:06:51,703 | 00:06:55,080 | in the right moment, in the right space, to create the scenes. | in the right moment, in the right space, to create the scenes. |
103 | 00:06:55,164 | 00:06:59,376 | And this scene, I think, came off particularly nice. | And this scene, I think, came off particularly nice. |
104 | 00:06:59,460 | 00:07:03,172 | Joel and the team did a wonderful job lighting it. | Joel and the team did a wonderful job lighting it. |
105 | 00:07:03,381 | 00:07:08,052 | It was a little longer before we trimmed it down, but it expresses the idea. | It was a little longer before we trimmed it down, but it expresses the idea. |
106 | 00:07:10,054 | 00:07:14,350 | This scene at different times in Rebels in Season 4, | This scene at different times in Rebels in Season 4, |
107 | 00:07:14,434 | 00:07:19,855 | there was a moment where even Krennic would appear in this series, | there was a moment where even Krennic would appear in this series, |
108 | 00:07:19,939 | 00:07:22,691 | where the Death Star appeared in this series, | where the Death Star appeared in this series, |
109 | 00:07:22,775 | 00:07:26,570 | but because our show isn't ultimately | but because our show isn't ultimately |
110 | 00:07:26,654 | 00:07:29,657 | about either Krennic or the Death Star... | about either Krennic or the Death Star... |
111 | 00:07:30,158 | 00:07:33,620 | I decided to cut those ideas from visibly showing up. | I decided to cut those ideas from visibly showing up. |
112 | 00:07:33,786 | 00:07:36,705 | I don't want to confuse the audience. | I don't want to confuse the audience. |
113 | 00:07:36,789 | 00:07:40,501 | I know a lot of people would know exactly how they fit. | I know a lot of people would know exactly how they fit. |
114 | 00:07:41,586 | 00:07:44,713 | It just seemed distracting to talk about something | It just seemed distracting to talk about something |
115 | 00:07:44,797 | 00:07:47,175 | that wasn't the primary focus of the show. | that wasn't the primary focus of the show. |
116 | 00:07:47,550 | 00:07:49,885 | It'd be distracting to bring the Death Star into it, | It'd be distracting to bring the Death Star into it, |
117 | 00:07:49,969 | 00:07:50,970 | or this character Krennic. | or this character Krennic. |
118 | 00:07:51,054 | 00:07:52,805 | Why would we bring him in if he's not going to play | Why would we bring him in if he's not going to play |
119 | 00:07:52,889 | 00:07:55,141 | a major role in this series? | a major role in this series? |
120 | 00:07:57,477 | 00:08:00,688 | So I tried to avoid that, and yet get the idea that | So I tried to avoid that, and yet get the idea that |
121 | 00:08:00,772 | 00:08:05,234 | Thrawn is competing with how we're going to fight the Rebels. | Thrawn is competing with how we're going to fight the Rebels. |
122 | 00:08:06,361 | 00:08:11,240 | These two guys are, these stormtroopers, actually the same guys that appeared... | These two guys are, these stormtroopers, actually the same guys that appeared... |
123 | 00:08:12,367 | 00:08:16,746 | battling the little Loth-cats out on the runway. | battling the little Loth-cats out on the runway. |
124 | 00:08:17,205 | 00:08:19,790 | It's supposed to be the same two guys that chase them | It's supposed to be the same two guys that chase them |
125 | 00:08:19,874 | 00:08:22,960 | when Ezra and Sabine stole the TIE fighter interceptor. | when Ezra and Sabine stole the TIE fighter interceptor. |
126 | 00:08:23,586 | 00:08:26,756 | They're actually played by myself and Steve Blum... | They're actually played by myself and Steve Blum... |
127 | 00:08:27,090 | 00:08:30,884 | so we reprised our role as these two kind of knuckle-headed stormtroopers, | so we reprised our role as these two kind of knuckle-headed stormtroopers, |
128 | 00:08:30,968 | 00:08:37,558 | but that was a little bit of a fun thing to do, especially with Steve. | but that was a little bit of a fun thing to do, especially with Steve. |
129 | 00:08:38,476 | 00:08:40,185 | It's always fun to play a stormtrooper there. | It's always fun to play a stormtrooper there. |
130 | 00:08:40,269 | 00:08:42,369 | They don't have that much dynamic range... | They don't have that much dynamic range... |
131 | 00:08:43,064 | 00:08:45,525 | (CHUCKLES) that's why I can do one of them... | (CHUCKLES) that's why I can do one of them... |
132 | 00:08:46,317 | 00:08:47,443 | (CHUCKLES) | (CHUCKLES) |
133 | 00:08:48,528 | 00:08:49,778 | I like the glider element. | I like the glider element. |
134 | 00:08:49,862 | 00:08:54,617 | I liked our guys masquerading as some kind of natural element | I liked our guys masquerading as some kind of natural element |
135 | 00:08:54,701 | 00:08:56,577 | or creature to sneak by the Empire. | or creature to sneak by the Empire. |
136 | 00:08:56,661 | 00:09:00,456 | They don't really pay enough attention to those things, as Kanan brings up. | They don't really pay enough attention to those things, as Kanan brings up. |
137 | 00:09:01,624 | 00:09:06,253 | In a lot of ways, you have to recognize the moments that are happening | In a lot of ways, you have to recognize the moments that are happening |
138 | 00:09:06,337 | 00:09:10,841 | when you're directing these things, and this is really the last moment, | when you're directing these things, and this is really the last moment, |
139 | 00:09:10,925 | 00:09:15,805 | if you think about it, that Kanan really spends with Sabine and Ezra, | if you think about it, that Kanan really spends with Sabine and Ezra, |
140 | 00:09:16,097 | 00:09:19,224 | where he has a chance to impart some knowledge. | where he has a chance to impart some knowledge. |
141 | 00:09:19,308 | 00:09:21,435 | And these are things that Freddie and I would talk about | And these are things that Freddie and I would talk about |
142 | 00:09:21,519 | 00:09:23,604 | as we did this scene. | as we did this scene. |
143 | 00:09:23,980 | 00:09:25,940 | He knows that this is going to be it. | He knows that this is going to be it. |
144 | 00:09:27,442 | 00:09:30,542 | He doesn't want to tell them, though. He's on the edge of that. | He doesn't want to tell them, though. He's on the edge of that. |
145 | 00:09:30,653 | 00:09:34,448 | And at one moment later, he almost tells Hera that something's going to happen, | And at one moment later, he almost tells Hera that something's going to happen, |
146 | 00:09:34,532 | 00:09:38,911 | but he resists it. He has to be fair to them. | but he resists it. He has to be fair to them. |
147 | 00:09:38,995 | 00:09:42,395 | They have to survive, and they have to do what they're going to do... | They have to survive, and they have to do what they're going to do... |
148 | 00:09:44,083 | 00:09:46,043 | for the good of everyone in the future. | for the good of everyone in the future. |
149 | 00:09:46,169 | 00:09:50,339 | So, to Ezra and Sabine, this mission is, | So, to Ezra and Sabine, this mission is, |
150 | 00:09:50,423 | 00:09:53,801 | probably similar to any other they've done in this series. | probably similar to any other they've done in this series. |
151 | 00:09:54,385 | 00:09:57,221 | But it's going to turn out quite differently | But it's going to turn out quite differently |
152 | 00:09:57,305 | 00:09:59,355 | than anything they've experienced before. | than anything they've experienced before. |
153 | 00:09:59,807 | 00:10:01,767 | It was a trick to play this out, | It was a trick to play this out, |
154 | 00:10:01,851 | 00:10:05,521 | which is how would Kanan know the Kalikori is in there, | which is how would Kanan know the Kalikori is in there, |
155 | 00:10:05,605 | 00:10:11,443 | he can't see it, but I think that, the object's connection to Hera | he can't see it, but I think that, the object's connection to Hera |
156 | 00:10:11,527 | 00:10:15,656 | kind of draws him to it, and we see him kind of trying to feel what, | kind of draws him to it, and we see him kind of trying to feel what, |
157 | 00:10:15,740 | 00:10:18,158 | why am I sensing something in this moment? | why am I sensing something in this moment? |
158 | 00:10:18,242 | 00:10:19,284 | What is in there? | What is in there? |
159 | 00:10:19,368 | 00:10:23,289 | And then he goes and rescues this little bit of family history for her. | And then he goes and rescues this little bit of family history for her. |
160 | 00:10:25,541 | 00:10:29,753 | This was a big episode that got trimmed down quite a bit. | This was a big episode that got trimmed down quite a bit. |
161 | 00:10:29,837 | 00:10:32,006 | But in the end I think it flows nicely. | But in the end I think it flows nicely. |
162 | 00:10:33,090 | 00:10:36,219 | There was a lot of discussion about this upcoming scene now. | There was a lot of discussion about this upcoming scene now. |
163 | 00:10:38,012 | 00:10:40,306 | We had felt we never really saw this | We had felt we never really saw this |
164 | 00:10:40,556 | 00:10:44,935 | Imperial probe droid do its thing in A New Hope. | Imperial probe droid do its thing in A New Hope. |
165 | 00:10:45,019 | 00:10:51,150 | We cut away when the mind probe tries to get Leia to talk about... | We cut away when the mind probe tries to get Leia to talk about... |
166 | 00:10:52,485 | 00:10:57,615 | the rebel base in A New Hope, so let's see what is that like here... | the rebel base in A New Hope, so let's see what is that like here... |
167 | 00:10:58,991 | 00:11:01,785 | which is a device reasonably the Empire would use on Hera. | which is a device reasonably the Empire would use on Hera. |
168 | 00:11:01,869 | 00:11:05,915 | Now it became really important in a discussion in the writers' room... | Now it became really important in a discussion in the writers' room... |
169 | 00:11:06,958 | 00:11:10,002 | what does it mean to have Hera under this influence? | what does it mean to have Hera under this influence? |
170 | 00:11:10,878 | 00:11:15,007 | We can't have that be a thing that she's at any kind of disadvantage | We can't have that be a thing that she's at any kind of disadvantage |
171 | 00:11:15,091 | 00:11:16,091 | when dealing with Kanan | when dealing with Kanan |
172 | 00:11:16,175 | 00:11:18,761 | or when she's expressing any kind of feelings to Kanan. | or when she's expressing any kind of feelings to Kanan. |
173 | 00:11:18,845 | 00:11:23,474 | I don't want this to be some kind of situation where she is... | I don't want this to be some kind of situation where she is... |
174 | 00:11:23,891 | 00:11:26,727 | not in control of her faculties. | not in control of her faculties. |
175 | 00:11:26,811 | 00:11:31,398 | We talked to Vanessa Marshall about it, who plays Hera, | We talked to Vanessa Marshall about it, who plays Hera, |
176 | 00:11:31,482 | 00:11:34,693 | and I said, you know, "I don't want you to be drunk-seeming, | and I said, you know, "I don't want you to be drunk-seeming, |
177 | 00:11:34,777 | 00:11:38,197 | "or reckless-seeming, in this moment. | "or reckless-seeming, in this moment. |
178 | 00:11:38,531 | 00:11:42,368 | "We have to find a way that... The way this affects you is that... | "We have to find a way that... The way this affects you is that... |
179 | 00:11:42,702 | 00:11:45,996 | "you're just blatantly honest probably, | "you're just blatantly honest probably, |
180 | 00:11:46,080 | 00:11:48,207 | "and is there a way you think you can play this | "and is there a way you think you can play this |
181 | 00:11:48,291 | 00:11:53,420 | "where you don't feel like Hera's being compromised as a character?" | "where you don't feel like Hera's being compromised as a character?" |
182 | 00:11:53,504 | 00:11:57,090 | I mean, that's what, of course, the Empire is intending to happen, | I mean, that's what, of course, the Empire is intending to happen, |
183 | 00:11:57,174 | 00:12:00,052 | but I like to think that she has a stronger will. | but I like to think that she has a stronger will. |
184 | 00:12:00,720 | 00:12:05,557 | I thought Vanessa did brilliantly at playing Hera as very matter-of-fact | I thought Vanessa did brilliantly at playing Hera as very matter-of-fact |
185 | 00:12:05,641 | 00:12:09,978 | and just honest to a fault with the stormtroopers | and just honest to a fault with the stormtroopers |
186 | 00:12:10,062 | 00:12:11,898 | and with not liking this droid. | and with not liking this droid. |
187 | 00:12:13,024 | 00:12:16,026 | She was able to make it comical and funny, | She was able to make it comical and funny, |
188 | 00:12:16,110 | 00:12:20,823 | and definitely Freddie and Vanessa play off each other wonderfully | and definitely Freddie and Vanessa play off each other wonderfully |
189 | 00:12:20,907 | 00:12:22,909 | in these scenes all the way to the end. | in these scenes all the way to the end. |
190 | 00:12:23,326 | 00:12:27,872 | But I think she was able to create a version of this with Hera | But I think she was able to create a version of this with Hera |
191 | 00:12:27,997 | 00:12:31,708 | where she's not completely lost as a person. | where she's not completely lost as a person. |
192 | 00:12:31,792 | 00:12:35,921 | She is more honest probably than Hera normally is, | She is more honest probably than Hera normally is, |
193 | 00:12:36,005 | 00:12:37,548 | especially about things she feels. | especially about things she feels. |
194 | 00:12:37,632 | 00:12:41,885 | But I think that what you've always seen Hera with | But I think that what you've always seen Hera with |
195 | 00:12:41,969 | 00:12:44,805 | is struggling with her personal interests, | is struggling with her personal interests, |
196 | 00:12:44,889 | 00:12:46,348 | her personal wants and needs, | her personal wants and needs, |
197 | 00:12:46,432 | 00:12:49,644 | versus what she does for everybody else. | versus what she does for everybody else. |
198 | 00:12:51,562 | 00:12:54,982 | Of course, you know, with anything we need, in Star Wars, | Of course, you know, with anything we need, in Star Wars, |
199 | 00:12:55,066 | 00:13:00,905 | humor to be coming through, even in these very intense stories. | humor to be coming through, even in these very intense stories. |
200 | 00:13:01,405 | 00:13:05,367 | It helps to balance things, and I think again Freddie and Vanessa | It helps to balance things, and I think again Freddie and Vanessa |
201 | 00:13:05,451 | 00:13:08,287 | have never been better than they are here together... | have never been better than they are here together... |
202 | 00:13:09,372 | 00:13:12,249 | with how they're portraying the characters. | with how they're portraying the characters. |
203 | 00:13:13,709 | 00:13:20,132 | It's kind of heart-breaking because it's some of the best dialogue, I think, | It's kind of heart-breaking because it's some of the best dialogue, I think, |
204 | 00:13:20,216 | 00:13:23,594 | that we've written for these characters, and yet, | that we've written for these characters, and yet, |
205 | 00:13:23,678 | 00:13:28,473 | it was coming to an end for Kanan on-screen at least. | it was coming to an end for Kanan on-screen at least. |
206 | 00:13:28,557 | 00:13:28,725 | And that's a big challenge. | And that's a big challenge. |
207 | 00:13:28,809 | 00:13:30,434 | And that's a big challenge. | And that's a big challenge. |
208 | 00:13:31,352 | 00:13:35,106 | The Kanan-Hera relationship is one that... | The Kanan-Hera relationship is one that... |
209 | 00:13:35,731 | 00:13:38,525 | really begins in the very first short | really begins in the very first short |
210 | 00:13:38,609 | 00:13:40,986 | that we released for the series Star Wars Rebels. | that we released for the series Star Wars Rebels. |
211 | 00:13:41,070 | 00:13:47,743 | And it was something that I felt that we didn't need to play very strongly. | And it was something that I felt that we didn't need to play very strongly. |
212 | 00:13:47,868 | 00:13:51,468 | I think these two characters that know each other for a very long time... | I think these two characters that know each other for a very long time... |
213 | 00:13:52,081 | 00:13:55,584 | they know each other prior to us seeing them on the show... | they know each other prior to us seeing them on the show... |
214 | 00:13:56,585 | 00:14:00,923 | that they would have a relationship that's a bit mysterious. | that they would have a relationship that's a bit mysterious. |
215 | 00:14:01,048 | 00:14:03,300 | We don't know all the details about it... | We don't know all the details about it... |
216 | 00:14:04,885 | 00:14:08,055 | and that kind of gave them a tremendous amount of depth. | and that kind of gave them a tremendous amount of depth. |
217 | 00:14:08,472 | 00:14:11,975 | They both have things they are trying to accomplish in their lives. | They both have things they are trying to accomplish in their lives. |
218 | 00:14:12,059 | 00:14:17,147 | Hera's trying to be a general leading this rebellion against an empire, | Hera's trying to be a general leading this rebellion against an empire, |
219 | 00:14:17,231 | 00:14:21,234 | Kanan's trying to rebuild his fractured life as a Jedi | Kanan's trying to rebuild his fractured life as a Jedi |
220 | 00:14:21,318 | 00:14:24,279 | and mentor this kid Ezra Bridger, | and mentor this kid Ezra Bridger, |
221 | 00:14:24,363 | 00:14:28,784 | and they are both kind of de facto parents to these other characters | and they are both kind of de facto parents to these other characters |
222 | 00:14:28,868 | 00:14:30,494 | who've all lost their ways. | who've all lost their ways. |
223 | 00:14:31,037 | 00:14:34,665 | They have a lot going on for the characters around them... | They have a lot going on for the characters around them... |
224 | 00:14:35,207 | 00:14:37,126 | and then they also... | and then they also... |
225 | 00:14:38,794 | 00:14:41,505 | I don't know if they suppress the feelings they have for one another. | I don't know if they suppress the feelings they have for one another. |
226 | 00:14:41,589 | 00:14:44,967 | Definitely Kanan suppresses less than Hera, | Definitely Kanan suppresses less than Hera, |
227 | 00:14:45,051 | 00:14:47,761 | but they're able to see the bigger picture, | but they're able to see the bigger picture, |
228 | 00:14:47,845 | 00:14:49,513 | and they're able to respect in a lot of ways | and they're able to respect in a lot of ways |
229 | 00:14:49,597 | 00:14:52,599 | the things the other wants to accomplish, | the things the other wants to accomplish, |
230 | 00:14:52,683 | 00:14:58,772 | which, I think, makes them both likable, that they respect one another | which, I think, makes them both likable, that they respect one another |
231 | 00:14:58,856 | 00:15:02,109 | in the goals that each has in life, | in the goals that each has in life, |
232 | 00:15:02,193 | 00:15:06,530 | though there is this personal yearning to be together in a more... | though there is this personal yearning to be together in a more... |
233 | 00:15:07,573 | 00:15:11,118 | committed way I suppose, especially from Kanan. | committed way I suppose, especially from Kanan. |
234 | 00:15:12,787 | 00:15:17,166 | Again, I have a lot of music that to me spells out their relationship | Again, I have a lot of music that to me spells out their relationship |
235 | 00:15:17,291 | 00:15:21,087 | and what it's like, and I've had that for several seasons... | and what it's like, and I've had that for several seasons... |
236 | 00:15:22,338 | 00:15:25,090 | listening to songs to kind of guide me to keep me on their path, | listening to songs to kind of guide me to keep me on their path, |
237 | 00:15:25,174 | 00:15:26,801 | what's going on in their heads. | what's going on in their heads. |
238 | 00:15:28,719 | 00:15:33,015 | There had to be a progression for Hera throughout this episode | There had to be a progression for Hera throughout this episode |
239 | 00:15:33,099 | 00:15:35,059 | of coming back to herself... | of coming back to herself... |
240 | 00:15:35,726 | 00:15:40,939 | and not being under this kind of whimsical influence of saying | and not being under this kind of whimsical influence of saying |
241 | 00:15:41,023 | 00:15:44,527 | what she thinks in the moment from the interrogator droid. | what she thinks in the moment from the interrogator droid. |
242 | 00:15:45,069 | 00:15:47,696 | I thought Vanessa also played us well back into that, | I thought Vanessa also played us well back into that, |
243 | 00:15:47,780 | 00:15:51,700 | the more Hera's adrenaline kind of picked up, the more she drops... | the more Hera's adrenaline kind of picked up, the more she drops... |
244 | 00:15:53,410 | 00:15:56,079 | the idea that she's under any kind of influence. | the idea that she's under any kind of influence. |
245 | 00:15:56,163 | 00:16:00,167 | And then in the end she states very clearly when she says, | And then in the end she states very clearly when she says, |
246 | 00:16:00,251 | 00:16:03,879 | "It's me, all me," that she's back in her mind, | "It's me, all me," that she's back in her mind, |
247 | 00:16:03,963 | 00:16:06,013 | but she still wants to express herself... | but she still wants to express herself... |
248 | 00:16:06,841 | 00:16:09,468 | in this vivid way that she does in the episode. | in this vivid way that she does in the episode. |
249 | 00:16:10,010 | 00:16:12,304 | It became a bit of a comedic thing for me that | It became a bit of a comedic thing for me that |
250 | 00:16:12,388 | 00:16:16,225 | Rukh is constantly getting thrown off of ledges. There he goes again. | Rukh is constantly getting thrown off of ledges. There he goes again. |
251 | 00:16:18,769 | 00:16:22,564 | I played that out all the way to his end in the series itself, | I played that out all the way to his end in the series itself, |
252 | 00:16:22,648 | 00:16:25,776 | which I know is different for fans than how it went in the books, | which I know is different for fans than how it went in the books, |
253 | 00:16:25,860 | 00:16:30,614 | but I wanted to be able to do in | but I wanted to be able to do in |
254 | 00:16:30,698 | 00:16:33,116 | a couple of the major villains, | a couple of the major villains, |
255 | 00:16:33,200 | 00:16:38,080 | just not Thrawn, and so Rukh would meet his untimely end in this show. | just not Thrawn, and so Rukh would meet his untimely end in this show. |
256 | 00:16:38,581 | 00:16:40,999 | And we found a way to do it to tie to this idea | And we found a way to do it to tie to this idea |
257 | 00:16:41,083 | 00:16:44,503 | that he's kind of this strange creature that keeps | that he's kind of this strange creature that keeps |
258 | 00:16:44,587 | 00:16:46,589 | falling off of ledges, and recovers. | falling off of ledges, and recovers. |
259 | 00:16:46,755 | 00:16:51,009 | He always grabs onto something, and Zeb at least finally then gets hip to that, | He always grabs onto something, and Zeb at least finally then gets hip to that, |
260 | 00:16:51,093 | 00:16:54,763 | and doesn't let up and does Rukh in. | and doesn't let up and does Rukh in. |
261 | 00:16:54,847 | 00:16:59,309 | But here, we've had many adventurous escapes. | But here, we've had many adventurous escapes. |
262 | 00:16:59,393 | 00:17:03,314 | This was a very fun one. All of this was mapped out pretty intricately. | This was a very fun one. All of this was mapped out pretty intricately. |
263 | 00:17:05,274 | 00:17:10,654 | I thought Saul did a really great job being the episode art director... | I thought Saul did a really great job being the episode art director... |
264 | 00:17:11,322 | 00:17:14,522 | to make sure everything is very dynamic and interesting visually. | to make sure everything is very dynamic and interesting visually. |
265 | 00:17:15,701 | 00:17:18,453 | I love walkers. I love the walker pilots, | I love walkers. I love the walker pilots, |
266 | 00:17:18,537 | 00:17:20,288 | they're my favorite type of stormtrooper, | they're my favorite type of stormtrooper, |
267 | 00:17:20,372 | 00:17:24,084 | so it's always nice to see these guys around... | so it's always nice to see these guys around... |
268 | 00:17:25,085 | 00:17:28,088 | and involve them in this very important way. | and involve them in this very important way. |
269 | 00:17:28,422 | 00:17:31,466 | This fuel depot's been around since Season 1, | This fuel depot's been around since Season 1, |
270 | 00:17:31,550 | 00:17:36,430 | if you look at the early art direction for the capital city. | if you look at the early art direction for the capital city. |
271 | 00:17:37,306 | 00:17:39,850 | It's been a set that we've always been meaning to use. | It's been a set that we've always been meaning to use. |
272 | 00:17:39,934 | 00:17:45,730 | We did some scouting on this set virtually where we are actually standing | We did some scouting on this set virtually where we are actually standing |
273 | 00:17:45,814 | 00:17:48,942 | in a volume on top of this three-dimensional space | in a volume on top of this three-dimensional space |
274 | 00:17:49,026 | 00:17:53,488 | so I could physically figure out where they would be standing | so I could physically figure out where they would be standing |
275 | 00:17:53,572 | 00:17:55,022 | and how to shoot the cameras. | and how to shoot the cameras. |
276 | 00:17:55,991 | 00:17:59,870 | This was some very challenging stuff to do, | This was some very challenging stuff to do, |
277 | 00:17:59,954 | 00:18:04,833 | and also something that I tried to keep under the wraps quite a bit... | and also something that I tried to keep under the wraps quite a bit... |
278 | 00:18:05,292 | 00:18:06,752 | even within the office. | even within the office. |
279 | 00:18:06,919 | 00:18:11,965 | For the scenes where Kanan and Hera are on top of the fuel depot coming up, | For the scenes where Kanan and Hera are on top of the fuel depot coming up, |
280 | 00:18:12,049 | 00:18:17,513 | I would shoot those myself in the office, in my office... | I would shoot those myself in the office, in my office... |
281 | 00:18:19,139 | 00:18:22,142 | just finding some time to do it, and work out... | just finding some time to do it, and work out... |
282 | 00:18:23,435 | 00:18:28,023 | just how the sequence should unfold, | just how the sequence should unfold, |
283 | 00:18:28,190 | 00:18:29,524 | which is a bit tricky. | which is a bit tricky. |
284 | 00:18:29,608 | 00:18:33,820 | There's a lot of emotional range that I have to get through | There's a lot of emotional range that I have to get through |
285 | 00:18:33,904 | 00:18:37,783 | in a matter of moments to really get you... | in a matter of moments to really get you... |
286 | 00:18:38,826 | 00:18:42,120 | to be in this place where you understand what the characters are thinking fully, | to be in this place where you understand what the characters are thinking fully, |
287 | 00:18:42,204 | 00:18:45,207 | and you're getting the best response... | and you're getting the best response... |
288 | 00:18:46,208 | 00:18:48,419 | to everything they're thinking and feeling. | to everything they're thinking and feeling. |
289 | 00:18:52,172 | 00:18:54,675 | This is, in the end, I felt... | This is, in the end, I felt... |
290 | 00:18:55,884 | 00:18:59,763 | the Jedi can make a big difference when nobody else can. | the Jedi can make a big difference when nobody else can. |
291 | 00:18:59,847 | 00:19:02,266 | And part of what they can do, in a lot of ways... | And part of what they can do, in a lot of ways... |
292 | 00:19:02,808 | 00:19:06,270 | if you think of Star Wars Rebels and these heroes... | if you think of Star Wars Rebels and these heroes... |
293 | 00:19:06,645 | 00:19:10,607 | their story would have ended in this episode, | their story would have ended in this episode, |
294 | 00:19:10,691 | 00:19:15,612 | all but Zeb and Chopper, because the Empire is so overwhelming. | all but Zeb and Chopper, because the Empire is so overwhelming. |
295 | 00:19:16,864 | 00:19:20,701 | They have massively more troops and equipment than the rebels... | They have massively more troops and equipment than the rebels... |
296 | 00:19:21,035 | 00:19:23,912 | could ever hope to fight back against. | could ever hope to fight back against. |
297 | 00:19:23,996 | 00:19:26,873 | And there is almost an inevitability, | And there is almost an inevitability, |
298 | 00:19:26,957 | 00:19:30,669 | a feeling of inevitability to their victory. | a feeling of inevitability to their victory. |
299 | 00:19:30,794 | 00:19:35,298 | So it takes the outstanding efforts of some people | So it takes the outstanding efforts of some people |
300 | 00:19:35,382 | 00:19:39,386 | to turn that tide, to turn that power, | to turn that tide, to turn that power, |
301 | 00:19:39,470 | 00:19:43,139 | and all of our rebels are like those people, | and all of our rebels are like those people, |
302 | 00:19:43,223 | 00:19:44,766 | but Kanan can be the first. | but Kanan can be the first. |
303 | 00:19:44,850 | 00:19:50,939 | He kind of starts the reaction that's needed by... | He kind of starts the reaction that's needed by... |
304 | 00:19:51,940 | 00:19:56,278 | giving up everything that he is for these other people... | giving up everything that he is for these other people... |
305 | 00:19:57,237 | 00:20:00,657 | by changing what's possible. | by changing what's possible. |
306 | 00:20:01,575 | 00:20:02,867 | This moment, of course, I think, | This moment, of course, I think, |
307 | 00:20:02,951 | 00:20:05,621 | is something fans had wanted for a long time. | is something fans had wanted for a long time. |
308 | 00:20:07,331 | 00:20:08,915 | To be honest, this second time that they kiss | To be honest, this second time that they kiss |
309 | 00:20:08,999 | 00:20:10,709 | is actually better than the first one, | is actually better than the first one, |
310 | 00:20:10,793 | 00:20:12,293 | and that's intentional, too... | and that's intentional, too... |
311 | 00:20:13,754 | 00:20:17,507 | just 'cause they're in a much deeper place in their relationship | just 'cause they're in a much deeper place in their relationship |
312 | 00:20:17,591 | 00:20:20,427 | in this moment than they've been before. | in this moment than they've been before. |
313 | 00:20:20,511 | 00:20:23,806 | And so, we tried to portray that even through the details... | And so, we tried to portray that even through the details... |
314 | 00:20:25,057 | 00:20:26,767 | in their animation in that moment. | in their animation in that moment. |
315 | 00:20:27,893 | 00:20:30,645 | This is a lot about sound now. | This is a lot about sound now. |
316 | 00:20:30,729 | 00:20:33,129 | There's really no words that you can put to this. | There's really no words that you can put to this. |
317 | 00:20:34,108 | 00:20:40,196 | I wanted the walkers coming in just like these terrible drums, these destroyers. | I wanted the walkers coming in just like these terrible drums, these destroyers. |
318 | 00:20:40,280 | 00:20:44,117 | And here, really the push-ins | And here, really the push-ins |
319 | 00:20:44,201 | 00:20:46,551 | and pull-backs become essential in this scene... | and pull-backs become essential in this scene... |
320 | 00:20:47,121 | 00:20:49,247 | to get you into the minds of the characters. | to get you into the minds of the characters. |
321 | 00:20:49,331 | 00:20:54,669 | And you have to have the audience in a moment | And you have to have the audience in a moment |
322 | 00:20:54,753 | 00:20:57,672 | where they're willing to believe this is possible. | where they're willing to believe this is possible. |
323 | 00:20:57,756 | 00:21:02,761 | Kanan's doing something rather impossible, but hopefully... | Kanan's doing something rather impossible, but hopefully... |
324 | 00:21:03,554 | 00:21:09,059 | you're with him in this moment, and you don't want this to happen, | you're with him in this moment, and you don't want this to happen, |
325 | 00:21:09,143 | 00:21:11,437 | so you're hoping that he's holding that back. | so you're hoping that he's holding that back. |
326 | 00:21:13,230 | 00:21:14,647 | You have to do so many things. | You have to do so many things. |
327 | 00:21:14,731 | 00:21:18,569 | Hera would never let this stand without an effort to save him herself. | Hera would never let this stand without an effort to save him herself. |
328 | 00:21:18,861 | 00:21:21,989 | That speaks volumes for who she is. | That speaks volumes for who she is. |
329 | 00:21:23,991 | 00:21:26,493 | But Kanan's just not going to let that happen. | But Kanan's just not going to let that happen. |
330 | 00:21:27,035 | 00:21:32,749 | The moment with the eyes is something that, I actually drew the storyboards, | The moment with the eyes is something that, I actually drew the storyboards, |
331 | 00:21:32,833 | 00:21:36,128 | and when I did these shots, I drew his eyes in, and I thought... | and when I did these shots, I drew his eyes in, and I thought... |
332 | 00:21:36,920 | 00:21:39,465 | he really needs to see her in this moment. | he really needs to see her in this moment. |
333 | 00:21:41,467 | 00:21:44,517 | I think that's right. I think that makes things feel complete. | I think that's right. I think that makes things feel complete. |
334 | 00:21:45,387 | 00:21:50,600 | And it turned out to be a real key moment in this episode. | And it turned out to be a real key moment in this episode. |
335 | 00:21:50,684 | 00:21:54,020 | And just to make everything | And just to make everything |
336 | 00:21:54,104 | 00:21:56,314 | very different and feel dynamically different, | very different and feel dynamically different, |
337 | 00:21:56,398 | 00:21:59,401 | I wanted to end with this kind of inverted logo. | I wanted to end with this kind of inverted logo. |
338 | 00:22:00,569 | 00:22:01,569 | So you know. | So you know. |
339 | 00:22:01,653 | 00:22:04,239 | This is kind of to tell you that this is real, that this happened. | This is kind of to tell you that this is real, that this happened. |
340 | 00:22:04,323 | 00:22:05,407 | This is kind of to tell you that this is real, that this happened. | This is kind of to tell you that this is real, that this happened. |
341 | 00:22:05,491 | 00:22:10,078 | So, it's a heavy episode, but it's an important episode | So, it's a heavy episode, but it's an important episode |
342 | 00:22:10,162 | 00:22:12,539 | for the entire framework of Rebels. | for the entire framework of Rebels. |
343 | 00:22:12,623 | 00:22:16,251 | And I could probably watch this several times | And I could probably watch this several times |
344 | 00:22:16,335 | 00:22:18,628 | and tell you something different every time we watch it. | and tell you something different every time we watch it. |
345 | 00:22:18,712 | 00:22:22,257 | I hope that you got something out of it this time. | I hope that you got something out of it this time. |
346 | 00:22:22,758 | 00:22:26,094 | And we'll do more of these. Always fun. | And we'll do more of these. Always fun. |
347 | 00:22:26,386 | 00:22:29,786 | Always enjoy talking about the show. And thanks so much for watching. | Always enjoy talking about the show. And thanks so much for watching. |