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1 00:00:01,334 00:00:05,839 So, Dave Filoni back for "Heroes of Mandalore: Part 2." So, Dave Filoni back for "Heroes of Mandalore: Part 2."
2 00:00:06,798 00:00:08,341 Here we go. Here we go.
3 00:00:09,134 00:00:10,969 So here we are back on Mandalore. So here we are back on Mandalore.
4 00:00:11,386 00:00:14,764 It's interesting, I know a lot of Mandalorians oddly. It's interesting, I know a lot of Mandalorians oddly.
5 00:00:14,848 00:00:17,558 I mean, I guess it's not odd. It makes sense I would know Mandalorians. I mean, I guess it's not odd. It makes sense I would know Mandalorians.
6 00:00:17,642 00:00:20,270 But they're all great people. But they're all great people.
7 00:00:20,812 00:00:23,606 They throw fantastic dinners. They throw fantastic dinners.
8 00:00:23,690 00:00:26,040 I don't know if you'd realize that, but they do. I don't know if you'd realize that, but they do.
9 00:00:26,902 00:00:30,030 Um, they are very Mandalorian, I'll say that. Um, they are very Mandalorian, I'll say that.
10 00:00:30,530 00:00:34,325 I have been to dinner with Mandalorians at Star Wars Celebrations. I have been to dinner with Mandalorians at Star Wars Celebrations.
11 00:00:34,409 00:00:39,914 And they just really... It's kind of a nice jolt And they just really... It's kind of a nice jolt
12 00:00:39,998 00:00:44,710 to be reminded of how important to be reminded of how important
13 00:00:44,794 00:00:48,047 the characters are to people, the characters are to people,
14 00:00:48,131 00:00:52,718 how much fans invest in these characters, how much fans invest in these characters,
15 00:00:52,802 00:00:55,930 like Sabine, like Bo-Katan, uh, like Sabine, like Bo-Katan, uh,
16 00:00:56,014 00:00:58,683 and it really allows me to refocus... and it really allows me to refocus...
17 00:01:01,061 00:01:02,770 you know, you know,
18 00:01:02,854 00:01:04,730 the importance of getting these episodes right. the importance of getting these episodes right.
19 00:01:04,814 00:01:06,732 I mean, of course we're going to work hard, I mean, of course we're going to work hard,
20 00:01:06,816 00:01:09,861 but you know, to talk to the fans and to interact with them really brings it but you know, to talk to the fans and to interact with them really brings it
21 00:01:09,945 00:01:12,155 to a whole other level. to a whole other level.
22 00:01:12,239 00:01:15,032 And then I think that any of my team and I that have And then I think that any of my team and I that have
23 00:01:15,116 00:01:17,952 been to an event with the fans, we come back and say, been to an event with the fans, we come back and say,
24 00:01:18,036 00:01:20,496 okay, yeah, yeah, let's really nail this, okay, yeah, yeah, let's really nail this,
25 00:01:20,580 00:01:22,123 let's get this right, let's get this right,
26 00:01:22,207 00:01:26,794 let's find the problems that we have and make things better. let's find the problems that we have and make things better.
27 00:01:26,878 00:01:29,755 I mean, you just need that little extra bit sometimes I mean, you just need that little extra bit sometimes
28 00:01:29,839 00:01:31,189 to go a little bit farther. to go a little bit farther.
29 00:01:32,259 00:01:34,719 And it's often what the characters need, too. And it's often what the characters need, too.
30 00:01:34,803 00:01:37,513 They need to push themselves a little bit farther They need to push themselves a little bit farther
31 00:01:37,597 00:01:40,392 to find victory. to find victory.
32 00:01:41,726 00:01:42,311 So, here we start with a battle. It's always good to start in on action. So, here we start with a battle. It's always good to start in on action.
33 00:01:42,395 00:01:45,945 So, here we start with a battle. It's always good to start in on action. So, here we start with a battle. It's always good to start in on action.
34 00:01:46,439 00:01:48,900 We tried to cut this in a tricky way so you... We tried to cut this in a tricky way so you...
35 00:01:48,984 00:01:53,196 Originally there were just so few soldiers attacking, um, Originally there were just so few soldiers attacking, um,
36 00:01:53,280 00:01:59,368 so by adding a bunch of closeups and quick shots of the bad guys, so by adding a bunch of closeups and quick shots of the bad guys,
37 00:01:59,452 00:02:03,706 you feel like there are maybe more bad guys than just four, you feel like there are maybe more bad guys than just four,
38 00:02:03,790 00:02:06,251 which would be not enough reinforcements. which would be not enough reinforcements.
39 00:02:06,376 00:02:09,587 The simple rule always is that when you have your heroes, The simple rule always is that when you have your heroes,
40 00:02:09,671 00:02:15,760 you want to try to outnumber your heroes three to one with bad guys. you want to try to outnumber your heroes three to one with bad guys.
41 00:02:17,095 00:02:18,429 So, the more heroes you have, So, the more heroes you have,
42 00:02:18,513 00:02:22,726 like in this scene we have quite a number of heavy hitters. like in this scene we have quite a number of heavy hitters.
43 00:02:23,518 00:02:26,229 We need to add more and more bad guys We need to add more and more bad guys
44 00:02:26,313 00:02:27,981 and up the stakes somehow. and up the stakes somehow.
45 00:02:28,523 00:02:29,523 The... The...
46 00:02:29,607 00:02:33,819 It's kind of like if you went into a party in Dungeons and Dragons, It's kind of like if you went into a party in Dungeons and Dragons,
47 00:02:33,903 00:02:35,738 and you had like all epic characters, and you had like all epic characters,
48 00:02:35,822 00:02:39,117 well, it's going to take a lot to knock those characters out. well, it's going to take a lot to knock those characters out.
49 00:02:39,284 00:02:41,994 So, we have to throw some TIE fighters in here So, we have to throw some TIE fighters in here
50 00:02:42,078 00:02:46,457 because that will be trouble for our heroes. because that will be trouble for our heroes.
51 00:02:46,541 00:02:51,379 And then they get a gauntlet, so it kind of is a power play back and forth. And then they get a gauntlet, so it kind of is a power play back and forth.
52 00:02:51,963 00:02:55,925 But also now, this would allow us to change the situation, But also now, this would allow us to change the situation,
53 00:02:56,009 00:02:58,559 conditions of the battle, and now do something else. conditions of the battle, and now do something else.
54 00:02:58,678 00:03:03,850 Getting them airborne, which would be Mandalorians attacking a TIE fighter... Getting them airborne, which would be Mandalorians attacking a TIE fighter...
55 00:03:04,225 00:03:07,353 which is something I really didn't think that I would ever see growing up. which is something I really didn't think that I would ever see growing up.
56 00:03:07,437 00:03:09,522 So, that became a very cool thing. So, that became a very cool thing.
57 00:03:09,606 00:03:12,525 But, you know, we had Boba Fett as a kid, But, you know, we had Boba Fett as a kid,
58 00:03:12,609 00:03:15,069 and now we have these rocket packs with missiles, and now we have these rocket packs with missiles,
59 00:03:15,153 00:03:18,489 so that seems like a pretty good formula to knock out a TIE fighter. so that seems like a pretty good formula to knock out a TIE fighter.
60 00:03:18,573 00:03:23,869 So, here goes Bo-Katan into the breach So, here goes Bo-Katan into the breach
61 00:03:23,953 00:03:27,290 to go do that very thing, which is fun. to go do that very thing, which is fun.
62 00:03:27,374 00:03:31,085 I mean, you gotta keep coming up with interesting situations I mean, you gotta keep coming up with interesting situations
63 00:03:31,169 00:03:32,253 and see how it plays out. and see how it plays out.
64 00:03:32,337 00:03:35,881 Ezra has struggles with his jetpack, Ezra has struggles with his jetpack,
65 00:03:35,965 00:03:37,967 and he might be good with the Force, and he might be good with the Force,
66 00:03:38,051 00:03:40,011 doesn't mean he'd be good with a jetpack. doesn't mean he'd be good with a jetpack.
67 00:03:40,095 00:03:42,295 Everything takes a little skill and training. Everything takes a little skill and training.
68 00:03:43,264 00:03:45,516 You know, it's funny, it goes back to Season 1, You know, it's funny, it goes back to Season 1,
69 00:03:45,600 00:03:49,104 but we put that door to the TIE fighter on top but we put that door to the TIE fighter on top
70 00:03:49,354 00:03:50,438 just like the Kenner toy. just like the Kenner toy.
71 00:03:50,522 00:03:55,651 I'm not sure that's necessarily in truth where it should be, I'm not sure that's necessarily in truth where it should be,
72 00:03:55,735 00:03:58,070 but I think that the thing in the back isn't such a window but I think that the thing in the back isn't such a window
73 00:03:58,154 00:04:00,364 as much as it was supposed to be a doorway. as much as it was supposed to be a doorway.
74 00:04:00,448 00:04:01,949 But we put it on top. But we put it on top.
75 00:04:02,033 00:04:04,618 It's terrible wind resistance when you open that top, It's terrible wind resistance when you open that top,
76 00:04:04,702 00:04:07,080 but we just shot around it... but we just shot around it...
77 00:04:08,665 00:04:11,665 And didn't really let it get in the way of telling our story. And didn't really let it get in the way of telling our story.
78 00:04:12,168 00:04:13,868 But here's a nice moment for Ezra. But here's a nice moment for Ezra.
79 00:04:13,962 00:04:15,546 Boy, it's always fun to see TIE fighters. Boy, it's always fun to see TIE fighters.
80 00:04:15,630 00:04:17,030 They're such a great design. They're such a great design.
81 00:04:18,591 00:04:23,387 You know, it's really a quite a thing to get to work with these wonderful designs You know, it's really a quite a thing to get to work with these wonderful designs
82 00:04:23,471 00:04:26,640 like the Imperial Star Destroyer like the Imperial Star Destroyer
83 00:04:26,724 00:04:27,934 and the TIE fighter. and the TIE fighter.
84 00:04:30,437 00:04:33,522 You know, Star Wars is just filled with such a rich history You know, Star Wars is just filled with such a rich history
85 00:04:33,606 00:04:35,608 of wonderful cinematic design. of wonderful cinematic design.
86 00:04:36,317 00:04:40,655 So, getting to be a part of using it is always a great privilege. So, getting to be a part of using it is always a great privilege.
87 00:04:41,614 00:04:44,033 Here we see the weapon Sabine invented at work. Here we see the weapon Sabine invented at work.
88 00:04:45,952 00:04:47,870 Pretty gruesome stuff, Pretty gruesome stuff,
89 00:04:47,954 00:04:50,998 but again, you need to set up your villain, but again, you need to set up your villain,
90 00:04:51,082 00:04:54,335 also introduce Thrawn into the fourth season. also introduce Thrawn into the fourth season.
91 00:04:54,419 00:04:58,005 And show that he's always a cut above the other villains, And show that he's always a cut above the other villains,
92 00:04:58,089 00:05:01,801 more intelligent than any of the other villains more intelligent than any of the other villains
93 00:05:01,885 00:05:04,804 that we've had on the show that we've had on the show
94 00:05:04,888 00:05:09,100 because really Tiber's trying to play a game here with Thrawn because really Tiber's trying to play a game here with Thrawn
95 00:05:09,184 00:05:11,268 and make it seem like he's more powerful than he is, and make it seem like he's more powerful than he is,
96 00:05:11,352 00:05:14,731 but Thrawn's going to see through that pretty quickly. but Thrawn's going to see through that pretty quickly.
97 00:05:16,232 00:05:20,027 It's been an interesting kind of thing to do Star Wars Clone Wars, It's been an interesting kind of thing to do Star Wars Clone Wars,
98 00:05:20,111 00:05:22,113 and then go into Star Wars Rebels and then go into Star Wars Rebels
99 00:05:22,197 00:05:25,950 because the two series really play back to back with one another, because the two series really play back to back with one another,
100 00:05:26,034 00:05:30,413 and we move from Jedi cruisers into Imperial Star Destroyers. and we move from Jedi cruisers into Imperial Star Destroyers.
101 00:05:31,873 00:05:34,458 I've had different fleet admirals over the years, I've had different fleet admirals over the years,
102 00:05:34,542 00:05:36,627 but now to have Thrawn, but now to have Thrawn,
103 00:05:36,711 00:05:40,506 always a big thrill to have a character like that, always a big thrill to have a character like that,
104 00:05:40,590 00:05:43,259 but when I see these sets and the similarity between them, but when I see these sets and the similarity between them,
105 00:05:43,343 00:05:45,678 and you really start to understand and you really start to understand
106 00:05:45,762 00:05:50,015 kind of the details to George's mythology kind of the details to George's mythology
107 00:05:50,099 00:05:52,769 and the Imperial take over, and how... and the Imperial take over, and how...
108 00:05:54,187 00:05:59,733 you know, the once grand Republic became this evil Empire you know, the once grand Republic became this evil Empire
109 00:05:59,817 00:06:05,823 and all the machines and weapons that they had built to preserve good and all the machines and weapons that they had built to preserve good
110 00:06:05,907 00:06:12,705 and to protect their democracy, in the end, really enslaved a galaxy and to protect their democracy, in the end, really enslaved a galaxy
111 00:06:12,789 00:06:16,750 and became, you know, the control and became, you know, the control
112 00:06:16,834 00:06:20,796 through fear, weapons of power for people like Thrawn, through fear, weapons of power for people like Thrawn,
113 00:06:20,880 00:06:23,466 people like Tiber Saxon, you know. people like Tiber Saxon, you know.
114 00:06:25,093 00:06:30,014 Those decisions that they made during the final days of the Republic Those decisions that they made during the final days of the Republic
115 00:06:30,098 00:06:34,185 were all made out of fear, fear that they needed stronger defenses, were all made out of fear, fear that they needed stronger defenses,
116 00:06:34,352 00:06:37,772 fear that the Separatists would take over. fear that the Separatists would take over.
117 00:06:38,606 00:06:42,568 And so they really, as Padmé says, And so they really, as Padmé says,
118 00:06:42,652 00:06:45,529 they handed over the democracy to thunderous applause, they handed over the democracy to thunderous applause,
119 00:06:45,613 00:06:50,618 to an Emperor, somebody that said he would give them peace and security, to an Emperor, somebody that said he would give them peace and security,
120 00:06:50,702 00:06:55,290 but he really gave them nothing but terror and enslavement. but he really gave them nothing but terror and enslavement.
121 00:06:56,124 00:06:58,209 And it's affected everyone you see. And it's affected everyone you see.
122 00:06:58,293 00:07:03,172 It trickles down to the personal disagreements and arguments, you know. It trickles down to the personal disagreements and arguments, you know.
123 00:07:03,256 00:07:06,342 Bo-Katan is a person that will hold you accountable. Bo-Katan is a person that will hold you accountable.
124 00:07:07,594 00:07:12,014 She is not happy with Sabine for developing that weapon, She is not happy with Sabine for developing that weapon,
125 00:07:12,098 00:07:16,101 but I think it's an important moment for Sabine not to fight back but I think it's an important moment for Sabine not to fight back
126 00:07:16,185 00:07:18,604 and defend herself through that kind of violent action, and defend herself through that kind of violent action,
127 00:07:18,688 00:07:21,440 but to, you know, but to, you know,
128 00:07:21,524 00:07:27,113 explain herself and to take responsibility for this weapon. explain herself and to take responsibility for this weapon.
129 00:07:28,406 00:07:30,241 And, you know, for Ezra not to understand it, And, you know, for Ezra not to understand it,
130 00:07:30,325 00:07:34,078 for him not to understand what's at stake here with this armor. for him not to understand what's at stake here with this armor.
131 00:07:34,162 00:07:37,665 It's not his culture, it's not personal to him. It's not his culture, it's not personal to him.
132 00:07:38,625 00:07:40,084 So we have to... Again, So we have to... Again,
133 00:07:40,168 00:07:42,586 if you don't know Star Wars, you don't know Mandalorians, if you don't know Star Wars, you don't know Mandalorians,
134 00:07:42,670 00:07:45,256 then you have to understand why is this important. then you have to understand why is this important.
135 00:07:45,923 00:07:47,258 'Cause someone might say, well, 'Cause someone might say, well,
136 00:07:47,342 00:07:49,385 yeah, what Ezra said, just change your armor. yeah, what Ezra said, just change your armor.
137 00:07:49,469 00:07:50,803 But it's not that simple. But it's not that simple.
138 00:07:50,887 00:07:54,014 So again, we have to explain this to the audience, So again, we have to explain this to the audience,
139 00:07:54,098 00:07:56,100 so they can really enjoy the emotions of what's going on here. so they can really enjoy the emotions of what's going on here.
140 00:07:56,184 00:07:59,234 So they can really enjoy the emotions of what's going on here. So they can really enjoy the emotions of what's going on here.
141 00:08:00,271 00:08:01,855 The gauntlet and the base camp The gauntlet and the base camp
142 00:08:01,939 00:08:05,609 are all things that are based on their Clone Wars counterpart. are all things that are based on their Clone Wars counterpart.
143 00:08:05,693 00:08:08,279 In some cases, they might even be In some cases, they might even be
144 00:08:08,363 00:08:12,283 modeled after their Clone Wars counterpart and adapted. modeled after their Clone Wars counterpart and adapted.
145 00:08:14,494 00:08:19,832 And again, we developed the look of several different Mandalorian houses... And again, we developed the look of several different Mandalorian houses...
146 00:08:20,291 00:08:22,960 I think, Vizsla, Kryze... I think, Vizsla, Kryze...
147 00:08:24,295 00:08:26,213 I don't think we see Saxons in this, I don't think we see Saxons in this,
148 00:08:26,297 00:08:29,341 but Eldar, you know, Wren. but Eldar, you know, Wren.
149 00:08:29,425 00:08:35,806 We have several different paint schemes that these houses would employ We have several different paint schemes that these houses would employ
150 00:08:35,890 00:08:39,811 for their immediate warriors. for their immediate warriors.
151 00:08:40,561 00:08:45,065 I think that as that expands out, you have these massive houses like, I think that as that expands out, you have these massive houses like,
152 00:08:45,149 00:08:48,152 you know, House Wren. you know, House Wren.
153 00:08:48,611 00:08:53,908 I think they might fall under a bigger house and belong to that... I think they might fall under a bigger house and belong to that...
154 00:08:54,826 00:08:56,160 someone more like Kryze. someone more like Kryze.
155 00:08:56,285 00:09:02,791 But ultimately they're even smaller and smaller factions of Mandalorian groups, But ultimately they're even smaller and smaller factions of Mandalorian groups,
156 00:09:02,875 00:09:06,754 and some of them don't all play out and some of them don't all play out
157 00:09:06,838 00:09:09,131 in the bigger theater that you're seeing, in the bigger theater that you're seeing,
158 00:09:09,215 00:09:10,925 like these big families. like these big families.
159 00:09:11,217 00:09:13,553 Some of them are working on a smaller scale. Some of them are working on a smaller scale.
160 00:09:14,095 00:09:19,600 Some of them are a bit more traveling and vagabond in the galaxy. Some of them are a bit more traveling and vagabond in the galaxy.
161 00:09:19,684 00:09:22,895 I think there's a whole range of different ways I think there's a whole range of different ways
162 00:09:22,979 00:09:26,357 that the Mandalorians operate as a people, that the Mandalorians operate as a people,
163 00:09:26,441 00:09:30,194 but the binding thing is that they have their armor, their beskar, but the binding thing is that they have their armor, their beskar,
164 00:09:30,278 00:09:34,699 and that's fundamentally important to them as a people. and that's fundamentally important to them as a people.
165 00:09:36,993 00:09:42,915 In this moment, again, because Sabine was honest about what she... In this moment, again, because Sabine was honest about what she...
166 00:09:44,500 00:09:48,545 Her responsibility was with this weapon, Her responsibility was with this weapon,
167 00:09:48,629 00:09:52,091 Bo-Katan's giving her the opportunity to prove herself. Bo-Katan's giving her the opportunity to prove herself.
168 00:09:52,175 00:09:56,721 That seems fair, and that seems like it's the Mandalorian way. That seems fair, and that seems like it's the Mandalorian way.
169 00:09:58,973 00:10:03,686 We've done many, many, many of these scenes now in the different series... We've done many, many, many of these scenes now in the different series...
170 00:10:04,562 00:10:06,981 the Strategy Scene, the Map Scene. the Strategy Scene, the Map Scene.
171 00:10:09,108 00:10:11,558 You can be as literal as you want in these scenes. You can be as literal as you want in these scenes.
172 00:10:12,695 00:10:15,155 Sometimes the maps and the things they're talking about Sometimes the maps and the things they're talking about
173 00:10:15,239 00:10:17,157 in the center of the room in the center of the room
174 00:10:17,241 00:10:19,827 do relate directly to what they're saying. do relate directly to what they're saying.
175 00:10:19,911 00:10:21,912 Sometimes, in all honesty, they do not. Sometimes, in all honesty, they do not.
176 00:10:21,996 00:10:24,331 Sometimes it's just visual interest, Sometimes it's just visual interest,
177 00:10:24,415 00:10:27,293 and what the characters are saying is more important. and what the characters are saying is more important.
178 00:10:29,212 00:10:30,546 You know, the classic in Star Wars You know, the classic in Star Wars
179 00:10:30,630 00:10:34,383 is the trench run description in A New Hope. is the trench run description in A New Hope.
180 00:10:34,467 00:10:40,305 So, that kind of sets the standard for how you do a briefing So, that kind of sets the standard for how you do a briefing
181 00:10:40,389 00:10:43,767 so the audience understands the complex nature so the audience understands the complex nature
182 00:10:43,851 00:10:45,353 of what Luke was trying to do. of what Luke was trying to do.
183 00:10:45,978 00:10:49,106 Here it's not so much about the specificity of the mission Here it's not so much about the specificity of the mission
184 00:10:49,190 00:10:51,358 as much as the character dynamic. as much as the character dynamic.
185 00:10:51,442 00:10:55,154 So, our mission, we know, is to eliminate this weapon, So, our mission, we know, is to eliminate this weapon,
186 00:10:55,238 00:10:58,031 but you know, I wanted to get more into what but you know, I wanted to get more into what
187 00:10:58,115 00:11:01,118 Bo-Katan is thinking behind the scenes Bo-Katan is thinking behind the scenes
188 00:11:01,202 00:11:04,329 off to the side, showing that she's recognizing that off to the side, showing that she's recognizing that
189 00:11:04,413 00:11:08,751 Sabine is a leader, and a good one, Sabine is a leader, and a good one,
190 00:11:08,835 00:11:11,485 somebody that maybe she feels she herself couldn't be. somebody that maybe she feels she herself couldn't be.
191 00:11:12,088 00:11:15,591 And so in the end, you know, as I was saying, I think in "Part 1," And so in the end, you know, as I was saying, I think in "Part 1,"
192 00:11:15,675 00:11:21,889 it's a story of these two women, Sabine and Bo-Katan, it's a story of these two women, Sabine and Bo-Katan,
193 00:11:21,973 00:11:25,517 Bo-Katan giving Sabine an opportunity to prove herself, Bo-Katan giving Sabine an opportunity to prove herself,
194 00:11:25,601 00:11:28,771 Bo-Katan supporting Sabine, challenging Sabine. Bo-Katan supporting Sabine, challenging Sabine.
195 00:11:29,313 00:11:34,777 But it's also about Sabine seeing greatness in Bo-Katan, But it's also about Sabine seeing greatness in Bo-Katan,
196 00:11:34,861 00:11:37,822 a person that thinks she failed, and failed her people. a person that thinks she failed, and failed her people.
197 00:11:38,364 00:11:39,490 And that becomes really important. And that becomes really important.
198 00:11:39,574 00:11:42,201 So these two characters are really helping each other. So these two characters are really helping each other.
199 00:11:42,285 00:11:43,577 It's not just one direction. It's not just one direction.
200 00:11:43,661 00:11:46,998 It's not just simply one master, one apprentice. It's not just simply one master, one apprentice.
201 00:11:48,249 00:11:50,626 This dynamic becomes, I think, a little more interesting, This dynamic becomes, I think, a little more interesting,
202 00:11:50,710 00:11:52,336 and a little more complex, and a little more complex,
203 00:11:52,420 00:11:55,255 because they're helping each other because they're helping each other
204 00:11:55,339 00:11:58,217 become the best person that they each can be, become the best person that they each can be,
205 00:11:58,301 00:11:59,719 which was very important. which was very important.
206 00:12:00,094 00:12:02,680 And it's a little nod for Clone Wars fans... And it's a little nod for Clone Wars fans...
207 00:12:03,139 00:12:05,307 The Duchess, so The Duchess, so
208 00:12:05,391 00:12:08,477 for the people that love Satine. Poor Satine. for the people that love Satine. Poor Satine.
209 00:12:09,103 00:12:11,897 I feel bad about that one, but it makes sense, I feel bad about that one, but it makes sense,
210 00:12:11,981 00:12:13,608 so there you are. so there you are.
211 00:12:14,317 00:12:19,071 But this is, you know, they're a great group of heroes. But this is, you know, they're a great group of heroes.
212 00:12:19,155 00:12:22,449 But, boy, they just walk in to this conflict right here, But, boy, they just walk in to this conflict right here,
213 00:12:22,533 00:12:23,701 getting spotted. getting spotted.
214 00:12:24,201 00:12:27,413 But you gotta give the stormtroopers their due sometimes, I know. But you gotta give the stormtroopers their due sometimes, I know.
215 00:12:27,914 00:12:31,959 I talk to fans, and they wish the stormtroopers were more accurate... I talk to fans, and they wish the stormtroopers were more accurate...
216 00:12:32,335 00:12:35,379 that they hit their targets more often... that they hit their targets more often...
217 00:12:36,464 00:12:39,174 I mean, I wasn't the one that started that. I mean, I wasn't the one that started that.
218 00:12:39,258 00:12:43,512 In the old movies, Obi-Wan says only the Imperial stormtroopers are so precise, In the old movies, Obi-Wan says only the Imperial stormtroopers are so precise,
219 00:12:43,596 00:12:44,721 and in the rest of the movies and in the rest of the movies
220 00:12:44,805 00:12:46,682 they do a pretty good job of being completely imprecise. they do a pretty good job of being completely imprecise.
221 00:12:46,766 00:12:50,644 So, it's a tough job being a stormtrooper, So, it's a tough job being a stormtrooper,
222 00:12:50,728 00:12:51,729 as they'll tell you. as they'll tell you.
223 00:12:52,021 00:12:54,481 And they know that, yeah, And they know that, yeah,
224 00:12:54,565 00:12:58,319 I gotta stay true to who they are as stormtroopers... I gotta stay true to who they are as stormtroopers...
225 00:12:59,403 00:13:00,404 but I feel bad. but I feel bad.
226 00:13:00,488 00:13:04,992 If you made a bunch of stormtroopers really, really good... If you made a bunch of stormtroopers really, really good...
227 00:13:05,701 00:13:06,702 and adept at what they do, and adept at what they do,
228 00:13:06,786 00:13:09,186 then they probably won't feel like stormtroopers, then they probably won't feel like stormtroopers,
229 00:13:09,288 00:13:10,289 In all honesty. In all honesty.
230 00:13:10,373 00:13:13,333 You know, just to... I don't know if it's a big debate in your house, You know, just to... I don't know if it's a big debate in your house,
231 00:13:13,417 00:13:15,377 but I think at the end of the day, but I think at the end of the day,
232 00:13:15,461 00:13:18,338 the clones were better soldiers than the stormtroopers. the clones were better soldiers than the stormtroopers.
233 00:13:18,422 00:13:21,967 I just think that they were trained, they took it more seriously, I just think that they were trained, they took it more seriously,
234 00:13:22,051 00:13:24,678 they're an elite group that just age out, they're an elite group that just age out,
235 00:13:24,762 00:13:28,224 and the stormtroopers are a group of people brought into service. and the stormtroopers are a group of people brought into service.
236 00:13:28,683 00:13:30,183 There are probably some good stormtroopers in there, There are probably some good stormtroopers in there,
237 00:13:30,267 00:13:32,520 but not that could match the clones. but not that could match the clones.
238 00:13:33,020 00:13:35,105 But you'll just say I'm biased because of The Clone Wars. But you'll just say I'm biased because of The Clone Wars.
239 00:13:35,189 00:13:37,566 So that's fine. I accept that. So that's fine. I accept that.
240 00:13:38,401 00:13:40,527 But here, again, the villain... But here, again, the villain...
241 00:13:40,611 00:13:41,987 You know, as we were leading up to this, You know, as we were leading up to this,
242 00:13:42,071 00:13:44,156 it's like, wow, the bad guy, he's not too smart it's like, wow, the bad guy, he's not too smart
243 00:13:44,240 00:13:47,075 because he knows Sabine's going to try to destroy this weapon. because he knows Sabine's going to try to destroy this weapon.
244 00:13:47,159 00:13:48,869 They just walk in through the hangar, They just walk in through the hangar,
245 00:13:48,953 00:13:51,747 but then you find out that he had a plan all along, but then you find out that he had a plan all along,
246 00:13:51,831 00:13:54,791 and this is just something he let happen because, and this is just something he let happen because,
247 00:13:54,875 00:13:58,003 as villains do, he thinks he controls the situation. as villains do, he thinks he controls the situation.
248 00:13:58,087 00:14:01,131 Which he might do at this point, Which he might do at this point,
249 00:14:01,215 00:14:04,760 but in his hubris, in his madness for power, but in his hubris, in his madness for power,
250 00:14:04,844 00:14:08,639 he doesn't see that Sabine is smart enough to fix the weapon, he doesn't see that Sabine is smart enough to fix the weapon,
251 00:14:08,723 00:14:12,059 make it more powerful, she might be smart enough to trick you make it more powerful, she might be smart enough to trick you
252 00:14:12,143 00:14:13,843 and get it to be used against you. and get it to be used against you.
253 00:14:15,271 00:14:20,400 We all wondered about this Lieutenant of his, We all wondered about this Lieutenant of his,
254 00:14:20,484 00:14:22,069 and why would he go along with this. and why would he go along with this.
255 00:14:22,153 00:14:28,158 And this shows you that his Mandalorian armor is indeed beskar And this shows you that his Mandalorian armor is indeed beskar
256 00:14:28,242 00:14:31,203 and is able to be affected by the weapon. and is able to be affected by the weapon.
257 00:14:31,454 00:14:35,874 So, you know then that Tiber's actually wearing stormtrooper armor. So, you know then that Tiber's actually wearing stormtrooper armor.
258 00:14:35,958 00:14:37,918 He's really gone over, He's really gone over,
259 00:14:38,002 00:14:41,202 that he's a Mandalorian that doesn't even wear the armor anymore. that he's a Mandalorian that doesn't even wear the armor anymore.
260 00:14:42,423 00:14:45,634 That... What an atrocious idea for a Mandalorian, so. That... What an atrocious idea for a Mandalorian, so.
261 00:14:46,886 00:14:50,305 Always fun with your droid at the port, Always fun with your droid at the port,
262 00:14:50,389 00:14:53,350 plugged in, stealing the blueprints. plugged in, stealing the blueprints.
263 00:14:53,434 00:14:54,768 Classic Star Wars. Classic Star Wars.
264 00:14:54,852 00:14:55,852 Got your two Jedi characters. Got your two Jedi characters.
265 00:14:55,936 00:15:00,941 Sometimes these simple scenes like this, running and gunning in the hallways, Sometimes these simple scenes like this, running and gunning in the hallways,
266 00:15:01,025 00:15:02,943 feels the most like Star Wars. feels the most like Star Wars.
267 00:15:03,027 00:15:05,529 You don't have to try to, it's not always about the Force. You don't have to try to, it's not always about the Force.
268 00:15:05,613 00:15:08,907 It's about these friendships, it's about these characters, It's about these friendships, it's about these characters,
269 00:15:08,991 00:15:10,993 and how they relate to one another. and how they relate to one another.
270 00:15:13,412 00:15:16,748 I always love Kanan, who's a very fun character. I always love Kanan, who's a very fun character.
271 00:15:16,832 00:15:18,792 This is, the fans caught right away, This is, the fans caught right away,
272 00:15:18,876 00:15:22,504 is an homage to the Obi-Wan shot in Clone Wars, is an homage to the Obi-Wan shot in Clone Wars,
273 00:15:22,588 00:15:25,507 though Clone Wars had about 100 more people outside the doors. though Clone Wars had about 100 more people outside the doors.
274 00:15:25,591 00:15:27,300 But, you know, But, you know,
275 00:15:27,384 00:15:30,637 size matters not, so we don't worry about that. size matters not, so we don't worry about that.
276 00:15:30,721 00:15:34,266 It's really the feeling. And for this boy, this is a big conflict. It's really the feeling. And for this boy, this is a big conflict.
277 00:15:34,350 00:15:36,309 Ezra's getting involved more and more. Ezra's getting involved more and more.
278 00:15:36,393 00:15:39,897 I really love the way the episodic director Saul Ruiz... I really love the way the episodic director Saul Ruiz...
279 00:15:40,439 00:15:43,734 had Ezra be a bit clumsy at times... had Ezra be a bit clumsy at times...
280 00:15:44,276 00:15:47,613 barely getting over the boxes, not being perfect. barely getting over the boxes, not being perfect.
281 00:15:48,197 00:15:52,117 Those imperfections, to me, make him feel a little bit more realistic Those imperfections, to me, make him feel a little bit more realistic
282 00:15:52,201 00:15:53,326 as he, you know... as he, you know...
283 00:15:53,410 00:15:56,496 Look at him just leaning off those boxes there, going forward. Look at him just leaning off those boxes there, going forward.
284 00:15:56,580 00:15:58,206 Keith Kellogg in the animation team, Keith Kellogg in the animation team,
285 00:15:58,290 00:16:02,836 doing a great job at keeping the humanity intact in these characters. doing a great job at keeping the humanity intact in these characters.
286 00:16:02,920 00:16:05,005 They're not superheroes, you know. They're not superheroes, you know.
287 00:16:06,423 00:16:08,175 They're vulnerable. They're vulnerable.
288 00:16:08,259 00:16:12,679 They feel pain, they get hurt, they get their simple knocks and pings, They feel pain, they get hurt, they get their simple knocks and pings,
289 00:16:12,763 00:16:14,890 not just, you know, the big hits. not just, you know, the big hits.
290 00:16:15,683 00:16:19,144 Bo-Katan throwing her helmet off, the breathing, Bo-Katan throwing her helmet off, the breathing,
291 00:16:19,228 00:16:24,441 these are things that really make them feel vulnerable. these are things that really make them feel vulnerable.
292 00:16:24,525 00:16:27,819 When there's vulnerability, you can be worried about them, When there's vulnerability, you can be worried about them,
293 00:16:27,903 00:16:29,821 there's more tension. there's more tension.
294 00:16:29,905 00:16:32,532 So, what will Sabine do? So, what will Sabine do?
295 00:16:32,616 00:16:34,466 Now we have a lot of faith in Sabine. Now we have a lot of faith in Sabine.
296 00:16:35,286 00:16:38,486 So we know that she's probably going to do something clever here. So we know that she's probably going to do something clever here.
297 00:16:38,581 00:16:40,040 But Saxon again, like I said, But Saxon again, like I said,
298 00:16:40,124 00:16:45,003 his quest for power, blinds him to what she's about to do. his quest for power, blinds him to what she's about to do.
299 00:16:45,087 00:16:48,465 Plus it's a pretty, pretty... Plus it's a pretty, pretty...
300 00:16:48,549 00:16:52,636 I won't say evil, but it's a pretty mean thing that she does here, I won't say evil, but it's a pretty mean thing that she does here,
301 00:16:52,720 00:16:55,013 creating the weapon used against her, creating the weapon used against her,
302 00:16:55,097 00:16:58,391 and throwing it against the bad guys. and throwing it against the bad guys.
303 00:16:58,475 00:17:00,393 At least she lets him activate it. At least she lets him activate it.
304 00:17:00,477 00:17:04,064 So, it's not like she's the one that does it to him. So, it's not like she's the one that does it to him.
305 00:17:04,148 00:17:06,650 But this juxtaposition of power But this juxtaposition of power
306 00:17:06,734 00:17:09,945 that she now is the one that has the power. that she now is the one that has the power.
307 00:17:10,613 00:17:16,159 She is inflicting this power that he was using on her, on him, She is inflicting this power that he was using on her, on him,
308 00:17:16,243 00:17:19,454 and this is quite a turn and this is quite a turn
309 00:17:19,538 00:17:23,333 because I think in Bo-Katan's mind it's like, because I think in Bo-Katan's mind it's like,
310 00:17:23,417 00:17:25,961 what is Sabine saying? What is she doing? what is Sabine saying? What is she doing?
311 00:17:26,045 00:17:30,507 Is she just a different type of Tiber Saxon? Is she just a different type of Tiber Saxon?
312 00:17:30,633 00:17:34,762 Will she then try to take and become a ruler just like him? Will she then try to take and become a ruler just like him?
313 00:17:35,512 00:17:39,350 You know, this terrible thing that was going to hurt all their people... You know, this terrible thing that was going to hurt all their people...
314 00:17:39,683 00:17:42,183 now, are you just going to do that to these people? now, are you just going to do that to these people?
315 00:17:43,062 00:17:44,063 You know. You know.
316 00:17:44,230 00:17:48,484 It's important questions because your actions are going to define you, It's important questions because your actions are going to define you,
317 00:17:48,776 00:17:50,126 the type of person you are. the type of person you are.
318 00:17:51,320 00:17:54,490 So, again, Sabine, just like Ezra, I mean... So, again, Sabine, just like Ezra, I mean...
319 00:17:55,324 00:17:57,284 you think of the dark side. Well, this is... you think of the dark side. Well, this is...
320 00:17:57,368 00:17:59,018 Right down to the blue lightning, Right down to the blue lightning,
321 00:17:59,286 00:18:01,413 that's not Force lightning by any stretch, that's not Force lightning by any stretch,
322 00:18:01,497 00:18:03,707 but the symbolism, it's all there. but the symbolism, it's all there.
323 00:18:03,791 00:18:09,880 This is a moment for Sabine to seize the dark side, her dark side, This is a moment for Sabine to seize the dark side, her dark side,
324 00:18:09,964 00:18:13,384 to become an evil person... to become an evil person...
325 00:18:13,884 00:18:20,349 to justify inflicting this suffering on another human being, you know. to justify inflicting this suffering on another human being, you know.
326 00:18:20,516 00:18:22,935 And the growth that you see in Bo-Katan... And the growth that you see in Bo-Katan...
327 00:18:23,477 00:18:26,062 from being this horrible person in Clone Wars, from being this horrible person in Clone Wars,
328 00:18:26,146 00:18:29,566 who was sided with the terrorists and Pre Vizsla who was sided with the terrorists and Pre Vizsla
329 00:18:29,650 00:18:32,611 to now having a sense of morality, to now having a sense of morality,
330 00:18:32,695 00:18:35,989 understanding what it means to be a leader, understanding what it means to be a leader,
331 00:18:36,073 00:18:40,660 and talking Sabine down from this terrible mistake and talking Sabine down from this terrible mistake
332 00:18:40,744 00:18:44,998 she's going to make to become evil. she's going to make to become evil.
333 00:18:45,082 00:18:47,042 The path between dark and light is The path between dark and light is
334 00:18:47,126 00:18:50,629 not something that is reserved for the Jedi alone. not something that is reserved for the Jedi alone.
335 00:18:50,713 00:18:56,343 It is a daily challenge for everyone, It is a daily challenge for everyone,
336 00:18:56,427 00:18:57,886 to do good or ill. to do good or ill.
337 00:18:58,470 00:19:02,307 We all make choices, small choices, large choices, We all make choices, small choices, large choices,
338 00:19:02,391 00:19:03,892 that define us, that define us,
339 00:19:03,976 00:19:10,607 and we have to overcome the temptation to be cruel at times. and we have to overcome the temptation to be cruel at times.
340 00:19:11,483 00:19:13,443 When you're driving in the car and you get cut off, When you're driving in the car and you get cut off,
341 00:19:13,527 00:19:14,903 and you get angry, and you get angry,
342 00:19:14,987 00:19:17,614 you gotta let go of these angers... you gotta let go of these angers...
343 00:19:18,407 00:19:20,992 Anger leads to hate, Anger leads to hate,
344 00:19:21,076 00:19:23,620 hatred leads to suffering, hatred leads to suffering,
345 00:19:23,704 00:19:28,834 and this quest for power, which sometimes comes out of fear... and this quest for power, which sometimes comes out of fear...
346 00:19:29,460 00:19:33,630 leads you to do terrible things, and angry things, and hateful things. leads you to do terrible things, and angry things, and hateful things.
347 00:19:33,964 00:19:38,927 So, we see Sabine very much overcoming this here... So, we see Sabine very much overcoming this here...
348 00:19:39,636 00:19:43,223 her own little journey, uh, playing at the dark side. her own little journey, uh, playing at the dark side.
349 00:19:43,307 00:19:45,768 And that's what it absolutely is. And that's what it absolutely is.
350 00:19:45,934 00:19:48,395 You know, we just... I think we are too often limited You know, we just... I think we are too often limited
351 00:19:48,479 00:19:52,399 to just the Force wielders in Star Wars, to just the Force wielders in Star Wars,
352 00:19:52,483 00:19:56,737 but it's something for all of us to overcome in all the characters. but it's something for all of us to overcome in all the characters.
353 00:19:57,696 00:19:59,364 And the two Star Destroyers in the sky there And the two Star Destroyers in the sky there
354 00:19:59,448 00:20:02,450 tell us that this conflict is not yet over. tell us that this conflict is not yet over.
355 00:20:02,534 00:20:07,372 There's a whole battle that's going to happen on Mandalore There's a whole battle that's going to happen on Mandalore
356 00:20:07,456 00:20:11,584 after this two-episode arc of Star Wars Rebels. after this two-episode arc of Star Wars Rebels.
357 00:20:11,668 00:20:17,340 But that is not the story that we're actually telling here, But that is not the story that we're actually telling here,
358 00:20:17,424 00:20:18,800 because this is Sabine's story, because this is Sabine's story,
359 00:20:18,884 00:20:22,762 and she doesn't really play a large role in the other story. and she doesn't really play a large role in the other story.
360 00:20:22,846 00:20:25,682 It's really Bo-Katan's story at that point. It's really Bo-Katan's story at that point.
361 00:20:26,141 00:20:29,978 So here, the two characters coming together, and Sabine... So here, the two characters coming together, and Sabine...
362 00:20:30,062 00:20:34,232 Sometimes this great gesture can be having power, Sometimes this great gesture can be having power,
363 00:20:34,316 00:20:38,445 and then handing it over, and then handing it over,
364 00:20:38,529 00:20:42,615 seeing greatness, seeing good in someone else, seeing greatness, seeing good in someone else,
365 00:20:42,699 00:20:46,411 and passing on that power and passing on that power
366 00:20:46,495 00:20:48,580 to someone else, someone who's deserving, to someone else, someone who's deserving,
367 00:20:48,664 00:20:51,124 someone that doesn't think they deserve it, someone that doesn't think they deserve it,
368 00:20:51,208 00:20:52,334 but is humble. but is humble.
369 00:20:52,960 00:20:57,881 And I think that's what you see here between Sabine and Bo-Katan. And I think that's what you see here between Sabine and Bo-Katan.
370 00:20:59,174 00:21:02,844 This has come full circle now from The Clone Wars This has come full circle now from The Clone Wars
371 00:21:02,928 00:21:05,388 and who Bo-Katan's character was, and who Bo-Katan's character was,
372 00:21:05,472 00:21:08,099 who had a kind of failing at one point, who had a kind of failing at one point,
373 00:21:08,183 00:21:12,771 and now rises to become a leader in her own right. and now rises to become a leader in her own right.
374 00:21:13,814 00:21:15,899 And hopefully, it's a powerful story. And hopefully, it's a powerful story.
375 00:21:15,983 00:21:19,569 And she has yet more story to be told, And she has yet more story to be told,
376 00:21:19,653 00:21:21,821 though not today. though not today.
377 00:21:21,905 00:21:25,451 And we see a little nod there between Ezra and Sabine... And we see a little nod there between Ezra and Sabine...
378 00:21:25,826 00:21:30,205 as we see their path clearly as the one we're following on Rebels. as we see their path clearly as the one we're following on Rebels.
379 00:21:30,289 00:21:33,792 And that is the end of "Heroes of Mandalore: Part 2." And that is the end of "Heroes of Mandalore: Part 2."
380 00:21:33,917 00:21:38,338 So much more could be said, but I think I've said enough for today. So much more could be said, but I think I've said enough for today.
381 00:21:38,922 00:21:42,675 So, thanks, guys, for watching and listening. So, thanks, guys, for watching and listening.
382 00:21:42,759 00:21:45,721 And, as always, may the Force be with you. And, as always, may the Force be with you.