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1 00:00:21,725 00:00:23,724 - Right now I'd like to dedicate this song - Right now I'd like to dedicate this song
2 00:00:23,725 00:00:26,932 to everybody here with hearts, any kind of hearts and ears. to everybody here with hearts, any kind of hearts and ears.
3 00:00:26,933 00:00:28,308 Goes something like this here... Goes something like this here...
4 00:00:32,475 00:00:34,558 Yeah. Yeah.
5 00:00:34,559 00:00:35,765 Yeah! Yeah!
6 00:00:54,434 00:00:57,765 ♪ Once upon a time, you dressed so fine ♪ ♪ Once upon a time, you dressed so fine ♪
7 00:00:57,766 00:01:01,849 ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime ♪ ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime ♪
8 00:01:01,850 00:01:04,266 ♪ Didn't you? ♪ ♪ Didn't you? ♪
9 00:01:06,933 00:01:09,599 ♪ People called, said, "Beware, doll" ♪ ♪ People called, said, "Beware, doll" ♪
10 00:01:09,600 00:01:11,308 ♪ You're bound to fall ♪ ♪ You're bound to fall ♪
11 00:01:11,309 00:01:16,141 ♪ You thought they all were kidding you ♪ ♪ You thought they all were kidding you ♪
12 00:01:19,808 00:01:22,974 ♪ You used to ♪ ♪ You used to ♪
13 00:01:22,975 00:01:24,308 ♪ Laugh about ♪ ♪ Laugh about ♪
14 00:01:24,309 00:01:26,640 - Volume one, number one. - Volume one, number one.
15 00:01:26,641 00:01:29,266 A letter from the editor. A letter from the editor.
16 00:01:29,267 00:01:31,558 You're probably wondering what we're trying to do. You're probably wondering what we're trying to do.
17 00:01:31,559 00:01:35,308 - ♪ Look at you, but now you don't talk so loud ♪ - ♪ Look at you, but now you don't talk so loud ♪
18 00:01:35,309 00:01:37,932 - It's hard to say. - It's hard to say.
19 00:01:37,933 00:01:41,182 - ♪ But now you don't, baby, seem so proud ♪ - ♪ But now you don't, baby, seem so proud ♪
20 00:01:41,183 00:01:43,224 - We hope that we have something here, - We hope that we have something here,
21 00:01:43,225 00:01:46,099 sort of a magazine, sort of a newspaper. sort of a magazine, sort of a newspaper.
22 00:01:46,100 00:01:47,682 - ♪ Yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah ♪
23 00:01:47,683 00:01:50,849 - The name of it comes from an old saying. - The name of it comes from an old saying.
24 00:01:50,850 00:01:53,974 Muddy Waters used the name for a song he wrote. Muddy Waters used the name for a song he wrote.
25 00:01:53,975 00:01:56,349 - ♪ How does it feel? ♪ - ♪ How does it feel? ♪
26 00:01:56,350 00:01:59,182 - The Stones took their name from Muddy's song. - The Stones took their name from Muddy's song.
27 00:01:59,183 00:02:01,224 - ♪ Oh, how does it feel, baby ♪ - ♪ Oh, how does it feel, baby ♪
28 00:02:01,225 00:02:03,016 - It was the title of Bob Dylan's - It was the title of Bob Dylan's
29 00:02:03,017 00:02:05,433 first rock and roll record. first rock and roll record.
30 00:02:05,434 00:02:06,849 - ♪ To be on your own? ♪ - ♪ To be on your own? ♪
31 00:02:06,850 00:02:08,516 - It's not just about the music, - It's not just about the music,
32 00:02:08,517 00:02:10,349 but also the things and attitudes but also the things and attitudes
33 00:02:10,350 00:02:12,016 that the music embraces. that the music embraces.
34 00:02:12,017 00:02:13,849 - ♪ No direction home ♪ - ♪ No direction home ♪
35 00:02:13,850 00:02:16,057 - We've been working quite hard on it. - We've been working quite hard on it.
36 00:02:16,058 00:02:17,349 We hope you can dig it. We hope you can dig it.
37 00:02:17,350 00:02:19,141 - ♪ A complete unknown ♪ - ♪ A complete unknown ♪
38 00:02:19,142 00:02:21,182 - To describe it any further would be difficult - To describe it any further would be difficult
39 00:02:21,183 00:02:22,765 without sounding like bullshit. without sounding like bullshit.
40 00:02:22,766 00:02:25,099 - ♪ Like a rolling stone ♪ - ♪ Like a rolling stone ♪
41 00:02:47,641 00:02:51,057 - Jann, in recent years, sophisticated publications - Jann, in recent years, sophisticated publications
42 00:02:51,058 00:02:53,558 such as yours and FM radio, such as yours and FM radio,
43 00:02:53,559 00:02:56,266 rock and roll is reaching a different age group. rock and roll is reaching a different age group.
44 00:02:56,267 00:02:58,807 Now, what's the difference between rock and roll now Now, what's the difference between rock and roll now
45 00:02:58,808 00:03:00,932 and the rock and roll of the Elvis Presley, and the rock and roll of the Elvis Presley,
46 00:03:00,933 00:03:02,391 Everly Brothers era? Everly Brothers era?
47 00:03:02,392 00:03:03,890 - Well, rock and roll is, you know, - Well, rock and roll is, you know,
48 00:03:03,891 00:03:06,182 is a--is a-- is a particular form is a--is a-- is a particular form
49 00:03:06,183 00:03:08,433 that's changed tremendously and keeps changing that's changed tremendously and keeps changing
50 00:03:08,434 00:03:11,182 and vastly changing, making a tremendous amount of changes, and vastly changing, making a tremendous amount of changes,
51 00:03:11,183 00:03:14,640 and, uh, there was no publication around and, uh, there was no publication around
52 00:03:14,641 00:03:16,474 that covered it the way it should be covered, that covered it the way it should be covered,
53 00:03:16,475 00:03:18,266 you know, that had treated it you know, that had treated it
54 00:03:18,267 00:03:19,890 the way it deserved to be treated, the way it deserved to be treated,
55 00:03:19,891 00:03:22,932 that, you know, understood it, really. that, you know, understood it, really.
56 00:03:24,891 00:03:26,724 - Oh, yeah! - Oh, yeah!
57 00:03:28,600 00:03:31,849 - Jann, is there such thing as a San Francisco sound? - Jann, is there such thing as a San Francisco sound?
58 00:03:31,850 00:03:34,765 Or is it just that this happened to be the place Or is it just that this happened to be the place
59 00:03:34,766 00:03:37,890 where acid rock, or whatever it's called, started? where acid rock, or whatever it's called, started?
60 00:03:37,891 00:03:39,599 - The important thing about San Francisco - The important thing about San Francisco
61 00:03:39,600 00:03:41,099 is that it's a scene. is that it's a scene.
62 00:03:41,100 00:03:43,099 It's a warm, supportive, friendly city It's a warm, supportive, friendly city
63 00:03:43,100 00:03:45,016 that's historically, you know, had the Bohemians, that's historically, you know, had the Bohemians,
64 00:03:45,017 00:03:48,474 the Beats, that supported the arts, poetry, jazz, the Beats, that supported the arts, poetry, jazz,
65 00:03:48,475 00:03:50,974 and similarly today it supports rock and roll. and similarly today it supports rock and roll.
66 00:03:53,683 00:03:56,308 - San Francisco is home to all kinds of artists, - San Francisco is home to all kinds of artists,
67 00:03:56,309 00:03:58,849 and I loved the excitement of it. and I loved the excitement of it.
68 00:03:58,850 00:04:02,141 I had tried to do music when I was in college, I had tried to do music when I was in college,
69 00:04:02,142 00:04:05,558 but I was not good at it particularly. but I was not good at it particularly.
70 00:04:05,559 00:04:07,890 I mean, I was not a great guitar player, you know. I mean, I was not a great guitar player, you know.
71 00:04:07,891 00:04:09,932 I mean, I knew the music, and I loved it. I mean, I knew the music, and I loved it.
72 00:04:09,933 00:04:12,849 I could feel it, but that-- I could feel it, but that--
73 00:04:12,850 00:04:15,640 that life was not for me. that life was not for me.
74 00:04:15,641 00:04:18,640 But what I had as a skill and a natural ability But what I had as a skill and a natural ability
75 00:04:18,641 00:04:20,266 was journalism. was journalism.
76 00:04:20,267 00:04:23,141 - ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪ - ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
77 00:04:23,142 00:04:26,141 ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪ ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
78 00:04:26,142 00:04:27,849 ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪ ♪ Ooh, ooh ♪
79 00:04:27,850 00:04:30,765 - ♪ Everybody's dying, everybody is trying ♪ - ♪ Everybody's dying, everybody is trying ♪
80 00:04:30,766 00:04:33,349 ♪ To feel more, feel more, feel more, yeah ♪ ♪ To feel more, feel more, feel more, yeah ♪
81 00:04:33,350 00:04:35,308 - ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪ - ♪ Ooh, ooh, yeah ♪
82 00:04:35,309 00:04:37,558 - In the '60s, rock and roll was becoming more than ever - In the '60s, rock and roll was becoming more than ever
83 00:04:37,559 00:04:40,682 the medium of communication among young people. the medium of communication among young people.
84 00:04:40,683 00:04:43,849 - ♪ Even though you never, then it doesn't mean you never ♪ - ♪ Even though you never, then it doesn't mean you never ♪
85 00:04:43,850 00:04:46,516 ♪ So you feel more, you feel more, you feel more ♪ ♪ So you feel more, you feel more, you feel more ♪
86 00:04:46,517 00:04:50,266 - It was freeing yourself from this gray vision of life - It was freeing yourself from this gray vision of life
87 00:04:50,267 00:04:52,682 in America that was parentally shaped in America that was parentally shaped
88 00:04:52,683 00:04:56,224 and socially shaped by the Eisenhower years. and socially shaped by the Eisenhower years.
89 00:04:56,225 00:04:58,391 - ♪ Whoa ♪ - ♪ Whoa ♪
90 00:04:58,392 00:05:00,308 ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
91 00:05:03,017 00:05:05,224 ♪ Whoa ♪ ♪ Whoa ♪
92 00:05:05,225 00:05:07,016 ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪ ♪ Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa ♪
93 00:05:07,017 00:05:09,349 - ♪ Whoa, yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah, baby ♪ - ♪ Whoa, yeah ♪ - ♪ Yeah, baby ♪
94 00:05:09,350 00:05:11,057 ♪ Whoa ♪ ♪ Whoa ♪
95 00:05:11,058 00:05:13,057 - Music and the kind of cultural revolution - Music and the kind of cultural revolution
96 00:05:13,058 00:05:14,558 that was attached to it, that was attached to it,
97 00:05:14,559 00:05:16,349 that was the big uncovered story. that was the big uncovered story.
98 00:05:21,350 00:05:23,308 At that time, I was living with the woman At that time, I was living with the woman
99 00:05:23,309 00:05:25,391 I was gonna marry, Jane, I was gonna marry, Jane,
100 00:05:25,392 00:05:27,724 and she had that same enthusiasm and she had that same enthusiasm
101 00:05:27,725 00:05:31,141 for the sheer joy of the music. for the sheer joy of the music.
102 00:05:31,142 00:05:34,391 Together, we saw it as really important, Together, we saw it as really important,
103 00:05:34,392 00:05:37,682 spiritually and culturally, you know? spiritually and culturally, you know?
104 00:05:37,683 00:05:40,724 - We really understood that music - We really understood that music
105 00:05:40,725 00:05:44,224 was effecting a change in America. was effecting a change in America.
106 00:05:44,225 00:05:46,640 You could see it and hear it. You could see it and hear it.
107 00:05:52,267 00:05:56,807 In '67, Jann was going down to cover Monterey Pop. In '67, Jann was going down to cover Monterey Pop.
108 00:05:56,808 00:06:00,599 This was before we started "Rolling Stone." This was before we started "Rolling Stone."
109 00:06:00,600 00:06:03,474 He was there one day, and then he called me, and he said, He was there one day, and then he called me, and he said,
110 00:06:03,475 00:06:05,433 "Jane, you've got to come down here. "Jane, you've got to come down here.
111 00:06:05,434 00:06:08,849 You will not believe what's happening." You will not believe what's happening."
112 00:06:12,183 00:06:18,308 - ♪ I see a red door, and I want to paint it black ♪ - ♪ I see a red door, and I want to paint it black ♪
113 00:06:18,309 00:06:20,391 ♪ No colors in my life ♪ ♪ No colors in my life ♪
114 00:06:20,392 00:06:24,099 ♪ You know they're turning black ♪ ♪ You know they're turning black ♪
115 00:06:24,100 00:06:26,974 ♪ I see people walking by ♪ ♪ I see people walking by ♪
116 00:06:26,975 00:06:30,349 ♪ Dressed in their colorful clothes ♪ ♪ Dressed in their colorful clothes ♪
117 00:06:30,350 00:06:33,016 ♪ I see them strolling by ♪ ♪ I see them strolling by ♪
118 00:06:33,017 00:06:34,849 ♪ My happiness just flows ♪ ♪ My happiness just flows ♪
119 00:06:34,850 00:06:38,599 - We were so lucky to have that music - We were so lucky to have that music
120 00:06:38,600 00:06:40,308 at that time. at that time.
121 00:06:40,309 00:06:42,474 I mean, Monterey was incredible. I mean, Monterey was incredible.
122 00:06:42,475 00:06:44,682 - ♪ Turn it black, oh, yeah ♪ - ♪ Turn it black, oh, yeah ♪
123 00:07:08,142 00:07:09,933 Thank you. Thank you.
124 00:07:13,517 00:07:15,433 - I had been writing a column - I had been writing a column
125 00:07:15,434 00:07:18,349 for "The Daily Californian," the student newspaper, for "The Daily Californian," the student newspaper,
126 00:07:18,350 00:07:21,182 and I wrote it under a pseudonym, Mr. Jones, and I wrote it under a pseudonym, Mr. Jones,
127 00:07:21,183 00:07:23,308 called "Something Is Happening by Mr. Jones," called "Something Is Happening by Mr. Jones,"
128 00:07:23,309 00:07:24,974 after the Dylan song. after the Dylan song.
129 00:07:24,975 00:07:26,724 And it was very much in the mold And it was very much in the mold
130 00:07:26,725 00:07:28,890 of a column that Ralph Gleason was writing of a column that Ralph Gleason was writing
131 00:07:28,891 00:07:31,016 for the "San Francisco Chronicle." for the "San Francisco Chronicle."
132 00:07:33,225 00:07:35,890 - This is "Jazz Casual," and I'm Ralph Gleason. - This is "Jazz Casual," and I'm Ralph Gleason.
133 00:07:35,891 00:07:38,807 John Coltrane, like many of the modern jazz musicians, John Coltrane, like many of the modern jazz musicians,
134 00:07:38,808 00:07:42,682 feels that the music itself speaks far more fluently feels that the music itself speaks far more fluently
135 00:07:42,683 00:07:44,516 than any human ever could. than any human ever could.
136 00:07:44,517 00:07:46,391 I agree with that thoroughly, I agree with that thoroughly,
137 00:07:46,392 00:07:48,724 and I also endorse the position and I also endorse the position
138 00:07:48,725 00:07:51,266 that Miles Davis' albums shouldn't have liner notes, that Miles Davis' albums shouldn't have liner notes,
139 00:07:51,267 00:07:52,932 even when I write them. even when I write them.
140 00:07:52,933 00:07:54,599 - He was a jazz critic, - He was a jazz critic,
141 00:07:54,600 00:07:56,308 but he also would write about popular music but he also would write about popular music
142 00:07:56,309 00:07:59,682 and The Beatles or Dylan and Baez. and The Beatles or Dylan and Baez.
143 00:07:59,683 00:08:01,890 - ♪ I don't really wanna stop the show ♪ - ♪ I don't really wanna stop the show ♪
144 00:08:01,891 00:08:03,974 ♪ But I thought you might like to know ♪ ♪ But I thought you might like to know ♪
145 00:08:03,975 00:08:05,849 - His column was the place you could read - His column was the place you could read
146 00:08:05,850 00:08:07,558 about all these things in your own life, about all these things in your own life,
147 00:08:07,559 00:08:10,141 which were not in the local press. which were not in the local press.
148 00:08:10,142 00:08:12,099 - ♪ So let me introduce to you ♪ - ♪ So let me introduce to you ♪
149 00:08:12,100 00:08:14,682 ♪ The one and only Billy Shears ♪ ♪ The one and only Billy Shears ♪
150 00:08:14,683 00:08:18,182 ♪ And Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ♪ ♪ And Sergeant Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band ♪
151 00:08:18,183 00:08:19,890 - They used to say about Ralph - They used to say about Ralph
152 00:08:19,891 00:08:21,640 that he couldn't decide whether he was that he couldn't decide whether he was
153 00:08:21,641 00:08:24,016 four 12-year-olds or three 16-year-olds. four 12-year-olds or three 16-year-olds.
154 00:08:24,017 00:08:25,558 And he loved young people, And he loved young people,
155 00:08:25,559 00:08:27,974 and he loved the excitement of it. and he loved the excitement of it.
156 00:08:27,975 00:08:30,308 People trying to get a place in the rock and roll scene People trying to get a place in the rock and roll scene
157 00:08:30,309 00:08:32,932 would come over to him and seek advice. would come over to him and seek advice.
158 00:08:34,933 00:08:37,141 So I introduced myself to him. So I introduced myself to him.
159 00:08:37,142 00:08:38,599 He said, "Oh, I know exactly who you are. He said, "Oh, I know exactly who you are.
160 00:08:38,600 00:08:40,474 I read your column." I read your column."
161 00:08:40,475 00:08:42,433 And that was just the beginning of it right there. And that was just the beginning of it right there.
162 00:08:42,434 00:08:45,807 - ♪ What would you think if I sang out of tune? ♪ - ♪ What would you think if I sang out of tune? ♪
163 00:08:45,808 00:08:49,932 ♪ Would you stand up and walk out on me? ♪ ♪ Would you stand up and walk out on me? ♪
164 00:08:49,933 00:08:52,807 - He alone among the critical establishment - He alone among the critical establishment
165 00:08:52,808 00:08:54,599 was receptive to rock and roll was receptive to rock and roll
166 00:08:54,600 00:08:56,391 and saw how good a music it was, and saw how good a music it was,
167 00:08:56,392 00:08:58,516 how good songwriters these were. how good songwriters these were.
168 00:08:58,517 00:09:02,433 - ♪ Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends ♪ - ♪ Oh, I get by with a little help from my friends ♪
169 00:09:02,434 00:09:04,099 ♪ Mm, I get high... ♪ ♪ Mm, I get high... ♪
170 00:09:04,100 00:09:05,807 - We knew that Ralph was the best person - We knew that Ralph was the best person
171 00:09:05,808 00:09:07,932 to be starting "Rolling Stone" with. to be starting "Rolling Stone" with.
172 00:09:07,933 00:09:12,932 - ♪ Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends ♪ - ♪ Mm, gonna try with a little help from my friends ♪
173 00:09:12,933 00:09:14,433 - Jann came over one day and said, - Jann came over one day and said,
174 00:09:14,434 00:09:15,974 "How about a magazine?" "How about a magazine?"
175 00:09:15,975 00:09:19,224 Like the "Melody Maker" or "New Musical Express" Like the "Melody Maker" or "New Musical Express"
176 00:09:19,225 00:09:21,516 but an American one that would be different and better, but an American one that would be different and better,
177 00:09:21,517 00:09:24,974 that would cover not just, uh, not just the records that would cover not just, uh, not just the records
178 00:09:24,975 00:09:29,474 and the music but would cover the whole culture. and the music but would cover the whole culture.
179 00:09:29,475 00:09:32,474 I find it regrettable and sad I find it regrettable and sad
180 00:09:32,475 00:09:36,308 that some of my friends do not share my enjoyment that some of my friends do not share my enjoyment
181 00:09:36,309 00:09:39,349 for the contemporary musicians, for the contemporary musicians,
182 00:09:39,350 00:09:41,182 much less regard them much less regard them
183 00:09:41,183 00:09:42,932 with the respect with which I regard them with the respect with which I regard them
184 00:09:42,933 00:09:46,224 or see them as important as I see them. or see them as important as I see them.
185 00:09:46,225 00:09:48,640 The only way to stay alive is to stay open. The only way to stay alive is to stay open.
186 00:09:48,641 00:09:50,391 The minute you shut yourself off The minute you shut yourself off
187 00:09:50,392 00:09:52,682 and shut yourself up, you start to rot. and shut yourself up, you start to rot.
188 00:09:52,683 00:09:55,599 You die of dry rot. You die of dry rot.
189 00:09:55,600 00:09:57,974 "Rolling Stone" started with the assumption "Rolling Stone" started with the assumption
190 00:09:57,975 00:10:01,516 that music was of infinitely greater importance that music was of infinitely greater importance
191 00:10:01,517 00:10:04,474 to an upcoming generation of Americans to an upcoming generation of Americans
192 00:10:04,475 00:10:06,724 than anyone had ever thought it was before, than anyone had ever thought it was before,
193 00:10:06,725 00:10:08,391 and we were right. and we were right.
194 00:10:13,267 00:10:16,807 - ♪ Once upon a time, you dressed so fine ♪ - ♪ Once upon a time, you dressed so fine ♪
195 00:10:16,808 00:10:21,057 ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime ♪ ♪ Threw the bums a dime in your prime ♪
196 00:10:21,058 00:10:22,890 ♪ Didn't you? ♪ ♪ Didn't you? ♪
197 00:10:22,891 00:10:25,057 - We were in a printer's building in San Francisco, - We were in a printer's building in San Francisco,
198 00:10:25,058 00:10:26,724 south of Market, south of Market,
199 00:10:26,725 00:10:30,182 which then was really just kind of warehouses. which then was really just kind of warehouses.
200 00:10:30,183 00:10:32,474 Rent was free 'cause we got Rent was free 'cause we got
201 00:10:32,475 00:10:34,349 the printer to give us some free space. the printer to give us some free space.
202 00:10:34,350 00:10:38,099 We rented some typewriters and rented some tables. We rented some typewriters and rented some tables.
203 00:10:38,100 00:10:41,099 - We were looking for $7,500. - We were looking for $7,500.
204 00:10:41,100 00:10:44,724 So I asked my mother for $2,000. So I asked my mother for $2,000.
205 00:10:44,725 00:10:48,599 Jann raised some, and we started "Rolling Stone." Jann raised some, and we started "Rolling Stone."
206 00:10:48,600 00:10:53,017 And I'll say "we," because we did. And I'll say "we," because we did.
207 00:10:59,641 00:11:02,016 - Well, we felt a great, uh-- - Well, we felt a great, uh--
208 00:11:02,017 00:11:04,890 a great historic responsibility a great historic responsibility
209 00:11:04,891 00:11:06,974 on behalf of the American public. on behalf of the American public.
210 00:11:06,975 00:11:09,724 Well, you know, no, jeez-- Well, you know, no, jeez--
211 00:11:09,725 00:11:12,724 That isn't what happened. That isn't what happened.
212 00:11:12,725 00:11:15,057 - It was really Ralph and myself and Jane. - It was really Ralph and myself and Jane.
213 00:11:15,058 00:11:18,890 We'd meet and, uh, discuss this thing and what to do. We'd meet and, uh, discuss this thing and what to do.
214 00:11:21,225 00:11:23,640 The first issue, we had John Lennon on the cover The first issue, we had John Lennon on the cover
215 00:11:23,641 00:11:25,433 and an interview with Donovan and an interview with Donovan
216 00:11:25,434 00:11:27,016 and then a big two-page spread and then a big two-page spread
217 00:11:27,017 00:11:28,682 on the Grateful Dead getting busted, on the Grateful Dead getting busted,
218 00:11:28,683 00:11:31,807 which was a little story that I wrote. which was a little story that I wrote.
219 00:11:31,808 00:11:34,016 We went over and took these pictures of the Dead We went over and took these pictures of the Dead
220 00:11:34,017 00:11:38,182 standing on the stoop of their house over in Haight-Ashbury. standing on the stoop of their house over in Haight-Ashbury.
221 00:11:38,183 00:11:40,724 All, you know, at the top of the stairs, All, you know, at the top of the stairs,
222 00:11:40,725 00:11:42,599 you know, with their fists up, raised, you know, with their fists up, raised,
223 00:11:42,600 00:11:44,682 and I think it was Pigpen that had some pistols, and I think it was Pigpen that had some pistols,
224 00:11:44,683 00:11:47,266 and Phil Lesh was carrying a rifle and all that stuff. and Phil Lesh was carrying a rifle and all that stuff.
225 00:11:47,267 00:11:51,266 And defiant, "We will not be moved," you know? And defiant, "We will not be moved," you know?
226 00:11:51,267 00:11:53,932 We nearly went bankrupt shipping out that issue. We nearly went bankrupt shipping out that issue.
227 00:11:53,933 00:11:56,057 And all of a sudden, all the bills came in, And all of a sudden, all the bills came in,
228 00:11:56,058 00:11:57,932 and we had to-- "Oh, God, we don't have and we had to-- "Oh, God, we don't have
229 00:11:57,933 00:11:59,807 enough money for that." enough money for that."
230 00:12:02,725 00:12:04,474 - I bought the first issue. - I bought the first issue.
231 00:12:04,475 00:12:06,266 I had no idea that the magazine I had no idea that the magazine
232 00:12:06,267 00:12:08,141 consisted of about three people. consisted of about three people.
233 00:12:08,142 00:12:09,974 It looked like a very professional operation. It looked like a very professional operation.
234 00:12:09,975 00:12:11,640 I volunteered to be a proofreader. I volunteered to be a proofreader.
235 00:12:11,641 00:12:13,308 I told them I was a proofreader. I told them I was a proofreader.
236 00:12:13,309 00:12:15,057 I had never read proof in my life. I had never read proof in my life.
237 00:12:15,058 00:12:18,640 And so I was the first unpaid employee. And so I was the first unpaid employee.
238 00:12:18,641 00:12:20,266 I tell you, my qualifications I tell you, my qualifications
239 00:12:20,267 00:12:22,266 were a degree in Near Eastern languages, were a degree in Near Eastern languages,
240 00:12:22,267 00:12:24,807 three years' experience as an animal caretaker, three years' experience as an animal caretaker,
241 00:12:24,808 00:12:26,474 and I was willing to work for free. and I was willing to work for free.
242 00:12:29,017 00:12:31,141 - Now, Charlie was a volunteer, - Now, Charlie was a volunteer,
243 00:12:31,142 00:12:32,640 but he had a paying job, but he had a paying job,
244 00:12:32,641 00:12:34,308 which was to be an assistant zookeeper which was to be an assistant zookeeper
245 00:12:34,309 00:12:35,849 at the San Francisco Zoo. at the San Francisco Zoo.
246 00:12:35,850 00:12:38,224 And he said, "I can't do both." And he said, "I can't do both."
247 00:12:38,225 00:12:40,807 We agreed that he would get $25 a week. We agreed that he would get $25 a week.
248 00:12:40,808 00:12:43,640 And he was the first actual, real true employee And he was the first actual, real true employee
249 00:12:43,641 00:12:45,141 of "Rolling Stone." of "Rolling Stone."
250 00:12:45,142 00:12:46,890 - I was known at one time - I was known at one time
251 00:12:46,891 00:12:49,308 for excessive consumption of marijuana. for excessive consumption of marijuana.
252 00:12:49,309 00:12:50,682 When I went to "Rolling Stone," When I went to "Rolling Stone,"
253 00:12:50,683 00:12:52,016 I found I couldn't use drugs. I found I couldn't use drugs.
254 00:12:52,017 00:12:53,599 I wanted to write, I wanted to write,
255 00:12:53,600 00:12:55,391 and I could write reams when I was stoned, and I could write reams when I was stoned,
256 00:12:55,392 00:12:57,807 but none of it made any sense. but none of it made any sense.
257 00:12:57,808 00:12:59,849 In those days, we were not well known In those days, we were not well known
258 00:12:59,850 00:13:01,308 outside San Francisco. outside San Francisco.
259 00:13:01,309 00:13:03,016 "Rolling Stone" was thought of "Rolling Stone" was thought of
260 00:13:03,017 00:13:05,558 as particularly a magazine for musicians. as particularly a magazine for musicians.
261 00:13:05,559 00:13:08,558 And we had to struggle with our distributor And we had to struggle with our distributor
262 00:13:08,559 00:13:12,141 to get us put on newsstands near recording studios. to get us put on newsstands near recording studios.
263 00:13:12,142 00:13:13,807 For many years, we had a musician's For many years, we had a musician's
264 00:13:13,808 00:13:15,765 free classified column for bands free classified column for bands
265 00:13:15,766 00:13:18,016 that were looking for a drummer. that were looking for a drummer.
266 00:13:18,017 00:13:20,849 But Jann always had a vision of it as being more But Jann always had a vision of it as being more
267 00:13:20,850 00:13:23,682 than just about rock and roll itself. than just about rock and roll itself.
268 00:13:23,683 00:13:26,474 He had an idea that there was a rock culture, He had an idea that there was a rock culture,
269 00:13:26,475 00:13:28,308 all sorts of generational things all sorts of generational things
270 00:13:28,309 00:13:30,807 that would be of interest. that would be of interest.
271 00:13:38,891 00:13:40,349 - I think there's various things. - I think there's various things.
272 00:13:40,350 00:13:42,224 I think the basic thing is that-- I think the basic thing is that--
273 00:13:42,225 00:13:44,057 is what people have always found fascinating about youth, is what people have always found fascinating about youth,
274 00:13:44,058 00:13:46,474 you know, and young-- young things you know, and young-- young things
275 00:13:46,475 00:13:48,682 and young people and new ideas and young people and new ideas
276 00:13:48,683 00:13:51,724 and, you know, that period of life and, you know, that period of life
277 00:13:51,725 00:13:53,433 which is associated with being most alive which is associated with being most alive
278 00:13:53,434 00:13:55,807 and most experimental and the most, you know, and most experimental and the most, you know,
279 00:13:55,808 00:13:57,099 sort of carefree. sort of carefree.
280 00:13:59,058 00:14:01,807 It was important that "Rolling Stone" have a sense It was important that "Rolling Stone" have a sense
281 00:14:01,808 00:14:05,974 of style and sex appeal of the youth culture. of style and sex appeal of the youth culture.
282 00:14:07,641 00:14:09,765 I met a guy named Baron Wolman, I met a guy named Baron Wolman,
283 00:14:09,766 00:14:13,558 and Baron had training as kind of a portrait photographer. and Baron had training as kind of a portrait photographer.
284 00:14:13,559 00:14:15,182 Baron came up with the idea Baron came up with the idea
285 00:14:15,183 00:14:17,391 to do a special issue on the groupies. to do a special issue on the groupies.
286 00:14:17,392 00:14:21,682 - ♪ There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs, but... ♪ - ♪ There'll be a feast if you just come upstairs, but... ♪
287 00:14:21,683 00:14:24,266 - I would go backstage and hang out with the bands, - I would go backstage and hang out with the bands,
288 00:14:24,267 00:14:26,391 and I saw these women back there and I saw these women back there
289 00:14:26,392 00:14:29,224 with style and with self-assurance. with style and with self-assurance.
290 00:14:29,225 00:14:31,474 You know, nobody was going to tell them what to do. You know, nobody was going to tell them what to do.
291 00:14:31,475 00:14:35,807 - ♪ I can see that you're 15 years old ♪ - ♪ I can see that you're 15 years old ♪
292 00:14:35,808 00:14:38,599 ♪ No, I don't want your ID ♪ ♪ No, I don't want your ID ♪
293 00:14:38,600 00:14:41,266 - Within a certain subculture in San Francisco, - Within a certain subculture in San Francisco,
294 00:14:41,267 00:14:43,349 rock is the basic art form. rock is the basic art form.
295 00:14:43,350 00:14:45,765 The musicians are the high priests of the community, The musicians are the high priests of the community,
296 00:14:45,766 00:14:48,224 and all activities revolve around the bands. and all activities revolve around the bands.
297 00:14:48,225 00:14:50,890 Now, sex is no big deal within the community. Now, sex is no big deal within the community.
298 00:14:50,891 00:14:53,682 It's just part of the whole sharing process. It's just part of the whole sharing process.
299 00:14:53,683 00:14:57,391 They share food, houses, drugs, money, and sex. They share food, houses, drugs, money, and sex.
300 00:14:57,392 00:14:59,599 - ♪ You're a stray, stray cat, I bet ♪ - ♪ You're a stray, stray cat, I bet ♪
301 00:14:59,600 00:15:04,349 ♪ Bet your mama don't know you scream like that ♪ ♪ Bet your mama don't know you scream like that ♪
302 00:15:04,350 00:15:09,807 ♪ I bet your mama don't know you can spread like that ♪ ♪ I bet your mama don't know you can spread like that ♪
303 00:15:09,808 00:15:11,474 - You get to fuck the prettiest boys. - You get to fuck the prettiest boys.
304 00:15:11,475 00:15:13,308 You get to smoke the best dope. You get to smoke the best dope.
305 00:15:13,309 00:15:16,890 You, um--you get to meet all the most far-out people. You, um--you get to meet all the most far-out people.
306 00:15:16,891 00:15:18,640 - They dress the way I want all guys to dress. - They dress the way I want all guys to dress.
307 00:15:18,641 00:15:19,932 They have long hair. They have long hair.
308 00:15:19,933 00:15:21,599 They talk with a British accent. They talk with a British accent.
309 00:15:21,600 00:15:23,599 - "There are two kinds of groupies," - "There are two kinds of groupies,"
310 00:15:23,600 00:15:26,308 notes veteran trouper, guitarist Jimmy Page. notes veteran trouper, guitarist Jimmy Page.
311 00:15:26,309 00:15:29,433 "Those who are like friends, like San Francisco girls, "Those who are like friends, like San Francisco girls,
312 00:15:29,434 00:15:31,433 "and those Los Angeles and New York girls, "and those Los Angeles and New York girls,
313 00:15:31,434 00:15:33,141 "who are making a religion "who are making a religion
314 00:15:33,142 00:15:34,974 "out of how many pop stars they can fuck. "out of how many pop stars they can fuck.
315 00:15:34,975 00:15:37,224 "Groupies are a better ball, by and large. "Groupies are a better ball, by and large.
316 00:15:37,225 00:15:38,974 "They've had more experience, "They've had more experience,
317 00:15:38,975 00:15:40,535 and they're willing to try more things." and they're willing to try more things."
318 00:16:00,891 00:16:04,433 - ♪ White bird ♪ - ♪ White bird ♪
319 00:16:04,434 00:16:08,224 ♪ In a golden cage ♪ ♪ In a golden cage ♪
320 00:16:08,225 00:16:10,308 - Sally Mann lives with Jefferson Airplane - Sally Mann lives with Jefferson Airplane
321 00:16:10,309 00:16:13,558 at their spacious, Victorian San Francisco mansion. at their spacious, Victorian San Francisco mansion.
322 00:16:13,559 00:16:15,849 She serves as housemother, preparing meals, She serves as housemother, preparing meals,
323 00:16:15,850 00:16:18,266 washing the dishes, screening unwanted visitors, washing the dishes, screening unwanted visitors,
324 00:16:18,267 00:16:21,349 and a host of other chores for which she is paid nothing and a host of other chores for which she is paid nothing
325 00:16:21,350 00:16:23,765 except the gratitude of the Airplane. except the gratitude of the Airplane.
326 00:16:23,766 00:16:27,974 - Jack, show me your cock again, please. - Jack, show me your cock again, please.
327 00:16:27,975 00:16:30,599 Please, one more time. Come on! Please, one more time. Come on!
328 00:16:30,600 00:16:33,057 - No. - Jack, one-- - No. - Jack, one--
329 00:16:33,058 00:16:34,640 You had to be there. You had to be there.
330 00:16:34,641 00:16:36,640 I don't mean that to understand it, I don't mean that to understand it,
331 00:16:36,641 00:16:38,558 you had to be there. you had to be there.
332 00:16:38,559 00:16:42,349 I'm saying if you felt it, you had to be where it was. I'm saying if you felt it, you had to be where it was.
333 00:16:42,350 00:16:44,182 Oh, look. Oh, look.
334 00:16:44,183 00:16:46,349 Look--look, you can see him in action. Look--look, you can see him in action.
335 00:16:46,350 00:16:48,391 This is how he looks when he's playing. This is how he looks when he's playing.
336 00:16:48,392 00:16:50,224 Oh, isn't it far out? Oh, isn't it far out?
337 00:16:50,225 00:16:52,640 There was no way on the planet There was no way on the planet
338 00:16:52,641 00:16:54,640 I could have stayed in Houston, Texas, I could have stayed in Houston, Texas,
339 00:16:54,641 00:16:57,724 when the music was being made out in California. when the music was being made out in California.
340 00:16:57,725 00:16:59,182 I had to be there. I had to be there.
341 00:16:59,183 00:17:00,433 Pull the pubes out of the way, Pull the pubes out of the way,
342 00:17:00,434 00:17:01,974 and let's light you a joint up. and let's light you a joint up.
343 00:17:01,975 00:17:03,599 You could be crazy about Elvis, You could be crazy about Elvis,
344 00:17:03,600 00:17:05,391 but you weren't walking up and down but you weren't walking up and down
345 00:17:05,392 00:17:08,057 the streets of Memphis in a movement of people the streets of Memphis in a movement of people
346 00:17:08,058 00:17:10,182 who all felt the same way. who all felt the same way.
347 00:17:10,183 00:17:12,849 Need it, need it. Need it, need it.
348 00:17:12,850 00:17:14,932 - Groupies are hardly a new phenomenon, - Groupies are hardly a new phenomenon,
349 00:17:14,933 00:17:17,433 and they are not new to the rock and roll scene either. and they are not new to the rock and roll scene either.
350 00:17:17,434 00:17:20,932 But as the scene changes, so do the girls. But as the scene changes, so do the girls.
351 00:17:26,808 00:17:29,890 Cynthia, age 21, and Diane, age 17, Cynthia, age 21, and Diane, age 17,
352 00:17:29,891 00:17:31,765 took a cab to the Chicago Opera House took a cab to the Chicago Opera House
353 00:17:31,766 00:17:33,558 where they waited where they waited
354 00:17:33,559 00:17:35,558 for one of the rock and roll attractions to appear. for one of the rock and roll attractions to appear.
355 00:17:35,559 00:17:38,099 If he was agreeable, they would all go to his room, If he was agreeable, they would all go to his room,
356 00:17:38,100 00:17:40,141 and this popular lead guitarist and this popular lead guitarist
357 00:17:40,142 00:17:44,765 would become Number 00004 in the Plaster Casters' diary. would become Number 00004 in the Plaster Casters' diary.
358 00:17:44,766 00:17:47,932 - In art class, we started doing plaster casting. - In art class, we started doing plaster casting.
359 00:17:47,933 00:17:50,433 One day the teacher said you could plaster cast One day the teacher said you could plaster cast
360 00:17:50,434 00:17:52,682 almost anything that's solid. almost anything that's solid.
361 00:17:52,683 00:17:55,640 In fact, bring in any old object from home, In fact, bring in any old object from home,
362 00:17:55,641 00:17:57,308 tomorrow we'll make a cast of it. tomorrow we'll make a cast of it.
363 00:17:57,309 00:17:59,807 And I thought... And I thought...
364 00:17:59,808 00:18:02,599 - ♪ Having hard times ♪ - ♪ Having hard times ♪
365 00:18:02,600 00:18:04,765 ♪ In this crazy town ♪ ♪ In this crazy town ♪
366 00:18:04,766 00:18:06,308 ♪ Having hard times ♪ ♪ Having hard times ♪
367 00:18:06,309 00:18:07,765 - In the Plaster Casters' diary, - In the Plaster Casters' diary,
368 00:18:07,766 00:18:09,807 a penis is called a "rig," a penis is called a "rig,"
369 00:18:09,808 00:18:11,807 fellatio is called "plating," fellatio is called "plating,"
370 00:18:11,808 00:18:14,474 and a fellator is called a "plater." and a fellator is called a "plater."
371 00:18:14,475 00:18:16,682 Masturbation is called "banking" Masturbation is called "banking"
372 00:18:16,683 00:18:20,807 and a masturbator is called a "Barclay's Banker." and a masturbator is called a "Barclay's Banker."
373 00:18:20,808 00:18:22,765 - ♪ Having hard times ♪ - ♪ Having hard times ♪
374 00:18:22,766 00:18:25,807 - Cynthia asked me, you know, if--at that time, - Cynthia asked me, you know, if--at that time,
375 00:18:25,808 00:18:28,016 if I'd like to be a plaster caster. if I'd like to be a plaster caster.
376 00:18:28,017 00:18:29,974 I became her plater. I became her plater.
377 00:18:29,975 00:18:33,349 She called me the head plaster caster because I gave the head. She called me the head plaster caster because I gave the head.
378 00:18:33,350 00:18:35,308 And she was the master plaster caster And she was the master plaster caster
379 00:18:35,309 00:18:37,849 because she's the originator of the idea. because she's the originator of the idea.
380 00:18:37,850 00:18:39,433 - While you're lying there, - While you're lying there,
381 00:18:39,434 00:18:42,016 I'd like you to close your eyes. I'd like you to close your eyes.
382 00:18:42,017 00:18:45,349 And I'd like you to think that this is a sexual experience. And I'd like you to think that this is a sexual experience.
383 00:18:45,350 00:18:49,099 Just relax and use your imagination. Just relax and use your imagination.
384 00:18:49,100 00:18:51,224 Don't necessarily think of the reality of what's happening, Don't necessarily think of the reality of what's happening,
385 00:18:51,225 00:18:54,932 but think of what you'd like to be happening. but think of what you'd like to be happening.
386 00:18:54,933 00:18:59,016 We'll get along fine. We'll get along fine.
387 00:18:59,017 00:19:00,807 - ♪ And I'm sick and tired ♪ - ♪ And I'm sick and tired ♪
388 00:19:00,808 00:19:04,807 ♪ Of having so many hard, hard times baby ♪ ♪ Of having so many hard, hard times baby ♪
389 00:19:04,808 00:19:07,057 ♪ And from my party house... ♪ ♪ And from my party house... ♪
390 00:19:07,058 00:19:09,890 - We had an ad for the groupie issue that said, - We had an ad for the groupie issue that said,
391 00:19:09,891 00:19:11,224 "When we tell you about a groupie, "When we tell you about a groupie,
392 00:19:11,225 00:19:13,057 will you really understand?" will you really understand?"
393 00:19:13,058 00:19:14,890 And we were saying, "Hey, we got the goods. And we were saying, "Hey, we got the goods.
394 00:19:14,891 00:19:16,474 "You want to know what's really happening? "You want to know what's really happening?
395 00:19:16,475 00:19:18,266 Listen to us." Listen to us."
396 00:19:18,267 00:19:22,099 - This was just complete shock to everybody, you know? - This was just complete shock to everybody, you know?
397 00:19:22,100 00:19:23,682 The fact that rock and roll The fact that rock and roll
398 00:19:23,683 00:19:25,057 and the culture of rock and roll and the culture of rock and roll
399 00:19:25,058 00:19:28,266 had this world underneath it. had this world underneath it.
400 00:19:28,267 00:19:32,058 It was the generation gap starting to be writ large. It was the generation gap starting to be writ large.
401 00:19:33,933 00:19:35,682 - Jann had a particular view - Jann had a particular view
402 00:19:35,683 00:19:38,516 of what he wanted "Rolling Stone" to be. of what he wanted "Rolling Stone" to be.
403 00:19:38,517 00:19:41,182 He was always thinking way down the road, He was always thinking way down the road,
404 00:19:41,183 00:19:42,974 ahead of himself, and maybe ahead ahead of himself, and maybe ahead
405 00:19:42,975 00:19:45,599 of the generation, to a certain extent. of the generation, to a certain extent.
406 00:19:45,600 00:19:48,391 At "Rolling Stone" we were pretty much around the clock, At "Rolling Stone" we were pretty much around the clock,
407 00:19:48,392 00:19:50,599 living, breathing, writing rock and roll. living, breathing, writing rock and roll.
408 00:19:50,600 00:19:51,890 - And did you like it? - And did you like it?
409 00:19:51,891 00:19:53,682 - Nah, hated it. Hated it. - Nah, hated it. Hated it.
410 00:19:58,517 00:20:01,224 When Jann hired me, he probably saw me When Jann hired me, he probably saw me
411 00:20:01,225 00:20:04,266 as a fairly straight person. as a fairly straight person.
412 00:20:04,267 00:20:06,765 Having come out of college for about a year Having come out of college for about a year
413 00:20:06,766 00:20:09,890 and having some journalism experience and having some journalism experience
414 00:20:09,891 00:20:12,099 as well as having a pretty decent knowledge as well as having a pretty decent knowledge
415 00:20:12,100 00:20:14,599 of the pop music scene in general of the pop music scene in general
416 00:20:14,600 00:20:17,349 and wanting to apply journalism to it. and wanting to apply journalism to it.
417 00:20:17,350 00:20:19,266 - ♪ Get on the good foot ♪ - ♪ Get on the good foot ♪
418 00:20:21,434 00:20:24,516 - So he saw a person who came in not just off the street, - So he saw a person who came in not just off the street,
419 00:20:24,517 00:20:26,974 being a rock and roll fan, being a longhaired hippie, being a rock and roll fan, being a longhaired hippie,
420 00:20:26,975 00:20:29,640 but a guy who could bring a modicum but a guy who could bring a modicum
421 00:20:29,641 00:20:31,807 of professional journalism background of professional journalism background
422 00:20:31,808 00:20:33,890 to what he was trying to do. to what he was trying to do.
423 00:20:36,475 00:20:39,974 We would sit at our typewriters and get stoned. We would sit at our typewriters and get stoned.
424 00:20:39,975 00:20:42,807 No, we would sit at our typewriters and just think, No, we would sit at our typewriters and just think,
425 00:20:42,808 00:20:44,765 "Let's see, oh, that could be fun," "Let's see, oh, that could be fun,"
426 00:20:44,766 00:20:47,224 and then just start something. and then just start something.
427 00:20:47,225 00:20:51,224 It could be a description of a guy sifting cocaine. It could be a description of a guy sifting cocaine.
428 00:20:51,225 00:20:56,308 It could be you heading to interview the Jackson Five. It could be you heading to interview the Jackson Five.
429 00:20:56,309 00:20:58,099 It could be a description It could be a description
430 00:20:58,100 00:21:01,474 of a living room as with Ike and Tina Turner. of a living room as with Ike and Tina Turner.
431 00:21:01,475 00:21:03,266 That becomes the lead. That becomes the lead.
432 00:21:03,267 00:21:05,057 - Walk into what, from the outside, - Walk into what, from the outside,
433 00:21:05,058 00:21:06,974 looks to be another well-paid, looks to be another well-paid,
434 00:21:06,975 00:21:09,516 well-kept home in suburban Inglewood, California, well-kept home in suburban Inglewood, California,
435 00:21:09,517 00:21:11,474 and you're hit... and you're hit...
436 00:21:11,475 00:21:14,516 a huge imperial oil painting of Ike and Tina Turner a huge imperial oil painting of Ike and Tina Turner
437 00:21:14,517 00:21:18,682 dressed as if for a simple, private wedding circa 1960. dressed as if for a simple, private wedding circa 1960.
438 00:21:18,683 00:21:21,099 Also in the foyer, under the portrait, Also in the foyer, under the portrait,
439 00:21:21,100 00:21:23,516 a small white bust of John F. Kennedy. a small white bust of John F. Kennedy.
440 00:21:23,517 00:21:26,349 Next to him, the Bible. Next to him, the Bible.
441 00:21:26,350 00:21:27,932 Over in the family room, Over in the family room,
442 00:21:27,933 00:21:30,141 splashing programmed, is a waterfall. splashing programmed, is a waterfall.
443 00:21:30,142 00:21:33,224 There's a red velvet sofa designed around a coffee table There's a red velvet sofa designed around a coffee table
444 00:21:33,225 00:21:35,765 in the shape of a bass guitar. in the shape of a bass guitar.
445 00:21:35,766 00:21:39,183 Tina's not back, half an hour late. Tina's not back, half an hour late.
446 00:21:42,517 00:21:44,890 - Tina being late showing up, - Tina being late showing up,
447 00:21:44,891 00:21:46,433 that was nothing, no big deal. that was nothing, no big deal.
448 00:21:46,434 00:21:48,516 You're often kept waiting, You're often kept waiting,
449 00:21:48,517 00:21:51,682 except that it wasn't like there was a publicist except that it wasn't like there was a publicist
450 00:21:51,683 00:21:54,890 or a manager or an agent or somebody. or a manager or an agent or somebody.
451 00:21:54,891 00:21:58,182 I think there were a couple housekeepers maybe around I think there were a couple housekeepers maybe around
452 00:21:58,183 00:22:01,182 and her family. and her family.
453 00:22:01,183 00:22:02,890 I just sat there, I just sat there,
454 00:22:02,891 00:22:04,724 and oftentimes you take those challenges and oftentimes you take those challenges
455 00:22:04,725 00:22:06,516 and just do what you can with them. and just do what you can with them.
456 00:22:06,517 00:22:09,057 You just worked with what you've got. You just worked with what you've got.
457 00:22:12,309 00:22:14,391 - The world's greatest heartbreaker drives up - The world's greatest heartbreaker drives up
458 00:22:14,392 00:22:16,558 in her Mercedes sedan and strides in, in her Mercedes sedan and strides in,
459 00:22:16,559 00:22:20,640 all fresh and breezy in a red knit hot pants outfit, all fresh and breezy in a red knit hot pants outfit,
460 00:22:20,641 00:22:22,599 third button unbuttoned, third button unbuttoned,
461 00:22:22,600 00:22:27,224 supple legs still very trim at age 32, charging on to 33. supple legs still very trim at age 32, charging on to 33.
462 00:22:31,891 00:22:34,433 - ♪ When I was a little girl ♪ - ♪ When I was a little girl ♪
463 00:22:34,434 00:22:37,266 ♪ I had a rag doll ♪ ♪ I had a rag doll ♪
464 00:22:37,267 00:22:40,099 ♪ Only doll I've ever owned ♪ ♪ Only doll I've ever owned ♪
465 00:22:42,517 00:22:45,516 - In the mid '60s, around 1966, - In the mid '60s, around 1966,
466 00:22:45,517 00:22:49,182 I saw Ike and Tina in North Beach I saw Ike and Tina in North Beach
467 00:22:49,183 00:22:52,890 and was just knocked out. and was just knocked out.
468 00:22:52,891 00:22:55,433 - ♪ And it gets stronger ♪ - ♪ And it gets stronger ♪
469 00:22:55,434 00:22:58,141 ♪ In every way ♪ ♪ In every way ♪
470 00:22:58,142 00:23:00,932 ♪ And it gets deeper ♪ ♪ And it gets deeper ♪
471 00:23:00,933 00:23:03,682 ♪ Let me say ♪ ♪ Let me say ♪
472 00:23:03,683 00:23:06,765 ♪ And it gets higher ♪ ♪ And it gets higher ♪
473 00:23:06,766 00:23:09,016 ♪ Day by day ♪ ♪ Day by day ♪
474 00:23:09,017 00:23:11,974 - I'd always been an R&B fan, but this was beyond R&B. - I'd always been an R&B fan, but this was beyond R&B.
475 00:23:11,975 00:23:15,308 This was showmanship. This was rock and roll. This was showmanship. This was rock and roll.
476 00:23:15,309 00:23:19,099 - ♪ Yeah, river deep, mountain high ♪ - ♪ Yeah, river deep, mountain high ♪
477 00:23:19,100 00:23:21,474 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
478 00:23:21,475 00:23:24,433 - And so it was just in my head, and I volunteered, - And so it was just in my head, and I volunteered,
479 00:23:24,434 00:23:26,932 "Yeah, I've seen them, I love them, and let's go." "Yeah, I've seen them, I love them, and let's go."
480 00:23:26,933 00:23:29,266 - ♪ Oh, how I love you, baby ♪ - ♪ Oh, how I love you, baby ♪
481 00:23:29,267 00:23:32,932 ♪ Baby, baby, baby ♪ ♪ Baby, baby, baby ♪
482 00:23:39,058 00:23:41,099 ♪ I love you, baby ♪ ♪ I love you, baby ♪
483 00:23:41,100 00:23:44,266 ♪ Like a flower loves the spring ♪ ♪ Like a flower loves the spring ♪
484 00:23:44,267 00:23:46,349 ♪ And I love you, baby ♪ ♪ And I love you, baby ♪
485 00:23:46,350 00:23:49,932 ♪ Like a robin loves to sing ♪ ♪ Like a robin loves to sing ♪
486 00:23:49,933 00:23:52,057 ♪ And I love you, baby ♪ ♪ And I love you, baby ♪
487 00:23:52,058 00:23:55,807 ♪ Like a schoolboy loves his pet ♪ ♪ Like a schoolboy loves his pet ♪
488 00:23:55,808 00:23:57,516 ♪ And I love you, baby ♪ ♪ And I love you, baby ♪
489 00:23:57,517 00:24:01,349 ♪ River deep and mountain high ♪ ♪ River deep and mountain high ♪
490 00:24:01,350 00:24:03,974 - "River Deep, Mountain High"-- - "River Deep, Mountain High"--
491 00:24:03,975 00:24:07,516 to hear that song for the first time in 1967, to hear that song for the first time in 1967,
492 00:24:07,517 00:24:10,099 the first year of acid rock and Memphis soul, the first year of acid rock and Memphis soul,
493 00:24:10,100 00:24:12,640 to hear that wall falling toward you, to hear that wall falling toward you,
494 00:24:12,641 00:24:14,516 with Tina teasing it along, with Tina teasing it along,
495 00:24:14,517 00:24:18,224 was to understand all the power of rock and roll. was to understand all the power of rock and roll.
496 00:24:18,225 00:24:20,016 - ♪ Do I love you ♪ - ♪ Do I love you ♪
497 00:24:20,017 00:24:22,974 ♪ My, oh, my ♪ ♪ My, oh, my ♪
498 00:24:22,975 00:24:26,558 ♪ Yeah, river deep, mountain high ♪ ♪ Yeah, river deep, mountain high ♪
499 00:24:26,559 00:24:28,141 ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪ ♪ Yeah, yeah, yeah ♪
500 00:24:28,142 00:24:30,182 - But after "River Deep" bombed, - But after "River Deep" bombed,
501 00:24:30,183 00:24:32,349 Ike Turner said the Spector production didn't get airplay Ike Turner said the Spector production didn't get airplay
502 00:24:32,350 00:24:34,807 because the soul stations said "too pop," because the soul stations said "too pop,"
503 00:24:34,808 00:24:37,932 and the white stations said "too R&B." and the white stations said "too R&B."
504 00:24:37,933 00:24:39,890 "See, what's wrong with America "See, what's wrong with America
505 00:24:39,891 00:24:42,016 "is that rather than accept something for its value, "is that rather than accept something for its value,
506 00:24:42,017 00:24:45,100 America mixes race in it." America mixes race in it."
507 00:24:46,517 00:24:48,765 What finally carried Ike and Tina through What finally carried Ike and Tina through
508 00:24:48,766 00:24:51,849 was the 1969 Rolling Stones tour. was the 1969 Rolling Stones tour.
509 00:24:51,850 00:24:55,308 Someone once called Tina "The female Mick Jagger." Someone once called Tina "The female Mick Jagger."
510 00:24:55,309 00:24:57,016 To be more accurate, To be more accurate,
511 00:24:57,017 00:25:01,391 one should call Mick "The Male Tina Turner." one should call Mick "The Male Tina Turner."
512 00:25:01,392 00:25:03,724 - All right, can you tell me, just real quickly, - All right, can you tell me, just real quickly,
513 00:25:03,725 00:25:06,349 what was your first connection with the Stones? what was your first connection with the Stones?
514 00:25:06,350 00:25:08,433 - So I think with the influence - So I think with the influence
515 00:25:08,434 00:25:10,391 that "River Deep, Mountain High" had on Mick, that "River Deep, Mountain High" had on Mick,
516 00:25:10,392 00:25:12,224 and then when he came to see our show, and then when he came to see our show,
517 00:25:12,225 00:25:14,099 he wanted, you know, us to be on his show he wanted, you know, us to be on his show
518 00:25:14,100 00:25:16,057 because he felt that it would be different. because he felt that it would be different.
519 00:25:16,058 00:25:18,349 - Right. This is a weird question, but did you have - Right. This is a weird question, but did you have
520 00:25:18,350 00:25:20,516 any kind of a rush of excitement when you discovered any kind of a rush of excitement when you discovered
521 00:25:20,517 00:25:23,224 there was a whole new kind of a culture there was a whole new kind of a culture
522 00:25:23,225 00:25:25,391 that was a ready audience for you? that was a ready audience for you?
523 00:25:25,392 00:25:27,433 - Hippies came, and they changed the world. - Hippies came, and they changed the world.
524 00:25:27,434 00:25:30,057 They changed the minds because they said, "Well, why? They changed the minds because they said, "Well, why?
525 00:25:30,058 00:25:31,849 "Why is it that you can say that Tina Turner "Why is it that you can say that Tina Turner
526 00:25:31,850 00:25:33,516 isn't as good as The Supremes?" isn't as good as The Supremes?"
527 00:25:33,517 00:25:35,391 And everybody else said, "Yeah, why?" And everybody else said, "Yeah, why?"
528 00:25:35,392 00:25:37,308 This girl and their act is just as good This girl and their act is just as good
529 00:25:37,309 00:25:40,474 as these other people that you figure is class. as these other people that you figure is class.
530 00:25:40,475 00:25:43,640 And she's just as much class as they are. And she's just as much class as they are.
531 00:25:45,058 00:25:47,765 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
532 00:25:47,766 00:25:50,599 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
533 00:25:50,600 00:25:53,599 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
534 00:25:53,600 00:25:56,765 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
535 00:25:56,766 00:25:58,849 ♪ Here come old flat-top ♪ ♪ Here come old flat-top ♪
536 00:25:58,850 00:26:01,849 ♪ He comes grooving up slowly ♪ ♪ He comes grooving up slowly ♪
537 00:26:01,850 00:26:04,682 ♪ He's got ju-ju eyeballs ♪ ♪ He's got ju-ju eyeballs ♪
538 00:26:04,683 00:26:07,599 ♪ He one holy roller ♪ ♪ He one holy roller ♪
539 00:26:07,600 00:26:13,682 ♪ He's got hair down to his knees ♪ ♪ He's got hair down to his knees ♪
540 00:26:13,683 00:26:19,807 ♪ Got to be a joker, he just do what he please ♪ ♪ Got to be a joker, he just do what he please ♪
541 00:26:19,808 00:26:20,974 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
542 00:26:20,975 00:26:22,807 - The move to interpreting - The move to interpreting
543 00:26:22,808 00:26:25,433 white rock and roll, she says, was quite natural. white rock and roll, she says, was quite natural.
544 00:26:25,434 00:26:28,308 "My mother, her radio was usually blues, "My mother, her radio was usually blues,
545 00:26:28,309 00:26:29,807 "B.B. King and all. "B.B. King and all.
546 00:26:29,808 00:26:31,391 "But rock and roll was more me. "But rock and roll was more me.
547 00:26:31,392 00:26:33,349 "When that sort of music came on, "When that sort of music came on,
548 00:26:33,350 00:26:35,057 "I never could sit down. "I never could sit down.
549 00:26:35,058 00:26:37,141 I always wanted to move." I always wanted to move."
550 00:26:37,142 00:26:39,308 - ♪ He's got monkey fingers ♪ - ♪ He's got monkey fingers ♪
551 00:26:39,309 00:26:42,057 ♪ He shoots Coca-Cola ♪ ♪ He shoots Coca-Cola ♪
552 00:26:42,058 00:26:45,640 ♪ He says I know you ♪ ♪ He says I know you ♪
553 00:26:45,641 00:26:48,308 ♪ You know me ♪ ♪ You know me ♪
554 00:26:48,309 00:26:53,182 ♪ One thing I can tell you is you've got to be free ♪ ♪ One thing I can tell you is you've got to be free ♪
555 00:26:53,183 00:26:55,974 ♪ Come together ♪ ♪ Come together ♪
556 00:26:55,975 00:26:58,849 ♪ Right now ♪ ♪ Right now ♪
557 00:26:58,850 00:27:01,141 ♪ Over me ♪ ♪ Over me ♪
558 00:27:01,142 00:27:02,682 ♪ Shoo ♪ ♪ Shoo ♪
559 00:27:02,683 00:27:04,890 - On stage, there may be reason to compare - On stage, there may be reason to compare
560 00:27:04,891 00:27:06,974 Tina Turner to Mick Jagger. Tina Turner to Mick Jagger.
561 00:27:06,975 00:27:10,682 Tina, in fact, is more aggressive, more animalistic. Tina, in fact, is more aggressive, more animalistic.
562 00:27:10,683 00:27:13,016 But it is, indeed, a stage. But it is, indeed, a stage.
563 00:27:13,017 00:27:14,974 "My whole thing," she once said, "My whole thing," she once said,
564 00:27:14,975 00:27:16,890 "Is the fact I am to Ike-- "Is the fact I am to Ike--
565 00:27:16,891 00:27:19,016 "I'm going to use the term 'doll'-- "I'm going to use the term 'doll'--
566 00:27:19,017 00:27:21,016 that you sort of mold." that you sort of mold."
567 00:27:21,017 00:27:24,308 - Do it. - Do it, go, three, four. - Do it. - Do it, go, three, four.
568 00:27:24,309 00:27:28,224 - ♪ Handful of gimme ♪ - ♪ Handful of gimme ♪
569 00:27:28,225 00:27:31,807 ♪ Mouthful of much obliged ♪ ♪ Mouthful of much obliged ♪
570 00:27:31,808 00:27:33,974 - ♪ Handful of gimme ♪ - ♪ Handful of gimme ♪
571 00:27:33,975 00:27:36,807 ♪ Mouthful of much obliged ♪ ♪ Mouthful of much obliged ♪
572 00:27:36,808 00:27:38,224 - Much obliged. - Much obliged.
573 00:27:38,225 00:27:40,057 - ♪ Much obliged ♪ - Right on. - ♪ Much obliged ♪ - Right on.
574 00:27:43,267 00:27:46,474 - Tina is giving me a tour of Ike's new main studios. - Tina is giving me a tour of Ike's new main studios.
575 00:27:46,475 00:27:48,890 There's a double-door air closet at the entrance There's a double-door air closet at the entrance
576 00:27:48,891 00:27:51,433 to Ike's private quarters. to Ike's private quarters.
577 00:27:51,434 00:27:53,057 Tina turns to Ike and says, Tina turns to Ike and says,
578 00:27:53,058 00:27:55,724 "Can I tell 'em what we call this room? "Can I tell 'em what we call this room?
579 00:27:55,725 00:27:57,558 We call it the whorehouse." We call it the whorehouse."
580 00:27:57,559 00:28:00,391 - Let me hear it. - ♪ Oh, never you ♪ - Let me hear it. - ♪ Oh, never you ♪
581 00:28:00,392 00:28:03,682 I asked an ex-Ikette about Ike Turner and sex. I asked an ex-Ikette about Ike Turner and sex.
582 00:28:03,683 00:28:07,516 "Sex, oh, my God, that's another volume," she said. "Sex, oh, my God, that's another volume," she said.
583 00:28:07,517 00:28:09,765 "I'll have to get a cigarette on that one." "I'll have to get a cigarette on that one."
584 00:28:09,766 00:28:11,974 - One, two, three, and... - One, two, three, and...
585 00:28:17,850 00:28:20,349 - Last winter Tina was sick with bronchial pneumonia, - Last winter Tina was sick with bronchial pneumonia,
586 00:28:20,350 00:28:22,141 in the hospital with her body ice-packed in the hospital with her body ice-packed
587 00:28:22,142 00:28:23,890 to bring the temperature down. to bring the temperature down.
588 00:28:23,891 00:28:25,890 And Ike was visiting, and he was going, And Ike was visiting, and he was going,
589 00:28:25,891 00:28:30,142 "You get out and sing, or you get out of the house!" "You get out and sing, or you get out of the house!"
590 00:28:38,183 00:28:42,266 ♪ Lord knows I've tried ♪ ♪ Lord knows I've tried ♪
591 00:28:42,267 00:28:45,599 ♪ I've tried to do what's right ♪ ♪ I've tried to do what's right ♪
592 00:28:47,975 00:28:52,308 ♪ Five whole long years I stayed home ♪ ♪ Five whole long years I stayed home ♪
593 00:28:52,309 00:28:56,141 ♪ Both day and night ♪ ♪ Both day and night ♪
594 00:28:57,309 00:28:59,599 ♪ And now I smell ♪ ♪ And now I smell ♪
595 00:28:59,600 00:29:02,682 ♪ A whole lot of trouble ♪ ♪ A whole lot of trouble ♪
596 00:29:05,225 00:29:08,266 ♪ Lord, I smell trouble ♪ ♪ Lord, I smell trouble ♪
597 00:29:08,267 00:29:10,516 ♪ Ahead of me ♪ ♪ Ahead of me ♪
598 00:29:10,517 00:29:13,141 - Ike and Tina, when they do an interview together, - Ike and Tina, when they do an interview together,
599 00:29:13,142 00:29:17,599 invariably they disagree and chide each other. invariably they disagree and chide each other.
600 00:29:17,600 00:29:21,433 - ♪ Ohh ♪ - ♪ Ohh ♪
601 00:29:21,434 00:29:24,349 ♪ Worries and trouble ♪ ♪ Worries and trouble ♪
602 00:29:26,641 00:29:29,433 ♪ I declare they just won't... ♪ ♪ I declare they just won't... ♪
603 00:29:29,434 00:29:32,932 - Posing for a photo, Ike is asked to embrace Tina. - Posing for a photo, Ike is asked to embrace Tina.
604 00:29:32,933 00:29:36,057 He does and warns, "Better catch this quick. He does and warns, "Better catch this quick.
605 00:29:36,058 00:29:38,016 I don't do this often." I don't do this often."
606 00:29:48,850 00:29:52,682 - Oh, this is a great, great story, great sitting. - Oh, this is a great, great story, great sitting.
607 00:29:52,683 00:29:54,516 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
608 00:29:54,517 00:29:56,433 Ike and Tina, was he crazy at the time? Ike and Tina, was he crazy at the time?
609 00:29:56,434 00:29:58,266 - Yes, yes, yes. - And what did he-- - Yes, yes, yes. - And what did he--
610 00:29:58,267 00:30:00,349 Did he make your life difficult in doing that picture? Did he make your life difficult in doing that picture?
611 00:30:00,350 00:30:02,682 Because he threatened Ben Because he threatened Ben
612 00:30:02,683 00:30:04,349 at the end of that story with something. at the end of that story with something.
613 00:30:04,350 00:30:06,849 - Ike didn't seem to mind me being around, - Ike didn't seem to mind me being around,
614 00:30:06,850 00:30:09,182 and I was taking a lot of, you know, photographs, and I was taking a lot of, you know, photographs,
615 00:30:09,183 00:30:12,016 and I was, you know, around. and I was, you know, around.
616 00:30:12,017 00:30:14,890 And I told, uh, Ben about it. And I told, uh, Ben about it.
617 00:30:14,891 00:30:16,724 I told him what I saw. I told him what I saw.
618 00:30:16,725 00:30:19,349 You know, like, there would be jugs full of white powder You know, like, there would be jugs full of white powder
619 00:30:19,350 00:30:20,890 and things like that. and things like that.
620 00:30:20,891 00:30:23,057 Cameras in the bedrooms. Cameras in the bedrooms.
621 00:30:23,058 00:30:25,016 And Ben wrote about it, And Ben wrote about it,
622 00:30:25,017 00:30:28,599 and, uh--and then I got a call from Ike, saying, and, uh--and then I got a call from Ike, saying,
623 00:30:28,600 00:30:30,141 "I trusted you. What did-- "I trusted you. What did--
624 00:30:30,142 00:30:32,682 Annie, this is Ike," you know like-- Annie, this is Ike," you know like--
625 00:30:32,683 00:30:34,224 And, you know, like, "I trusted you. And, you know, like, "I trusted you.
626 00:30:34,225 00:30:35,974 How could you have done this?" How could you have done this?"
627 00:30:35,975 00:30:38,057 And, you know, "I have ways to take care of this." And, you know, "I have ways to take care of this."
628 00:30:43,766 00:30:46,765 Those years at "Rolling Stone" formed me completely Those years at "Rolling Stone" formed me completely
629 00:30:46,766 00:30:50,308 as a journalist and a photographer. as a journalist and a photographer.
630 00:30:50,309 00:30:52,141 That's what this work is here. That's what this work is here.
631 00:30:52,142 00:30:54,640 It really is looking at sort of growing up It really is looking at sort of growing up
632 00:30:54,641 00:30:57,932 a young-- a young girl photographer. a young-- a young girl photographer.
633 00:31:00,100 00:31:03,057 This is my second assignment, which is pretty incredible. This is my second assignment, which is pretty incredible.
634 00:31:03,058 00:31:04,391 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
635 00:31:04,392 00:31:06,141 - Grace Slick and Paul Kantner. - Grace Slick and Paul Kantner.
636 00:31:06,142 00:31:08,182 - They were super popular at the time. I mean, huge. - They were super popular at the time. I mean, huge.
637 00:31:08,183 00:31:11,807 It's incredible how intimate in their lives you got, It's incredible how intimate in their lives you got,
638 00:31:11,808 00:31:13,391 or they let you get. or they let you get.
639 00:31:13,392 00:31:15,099 - But--but everyone was that way. - But--but everyone was that way.
640 00:31:15,100 00:31:16,433 I mean, no one got dressed up. I mean, no one got dressed up.
641 00:31:16,434 00:31:17,932 No one, like, you know-- No one, like, you know--
642 00:31:17,933 00:31:20,266 Everyone was, like, very relaxed. Everyone was, like, very relaxed.
643 00:31:20,267 00:31:23,016 - It's just the intimacy level that they gave you. - It's just the intimacy level that they gave you.
644 00:31:23,017 00:31:25,308 - You know, we're all sitting on some waterbed or something. - You know, we're all sitting on some waterbed or something.
645 00:31:25,309 00:31:27,599 I don't know. - Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh. I don't know. - Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh.
646 00:31:27,600 00:31:32,099 All the drug paraphernalia laying around. All the drug paraphernalia laying around.
647 00:31:32,100 00:31:34,224 - When I went in for John and Yoko, I said, - When I went in for John and Yoko, I said,
648 00:31:34,225 00:31:35,932 "Oh, my gosh, I'm photographing "Oh, my gosh, I'm photographing
649 00:31:35,933 00:31:38,724 this extraordinarily famous person." this extraordinarily famous person."
650 00:31:38,725 00:31:40,099 But they couldn't have been nicer. But they couldn't have been nicer.
651 00:31:40,100 00:31:41,974 They were incredible. - Mm-hmm. They were incredible. - Mm-hmm.
652 00:31:41,975 00:31:44,308 - And then Yoko Ono finally told me years later - And then Yoko Ono finally told me years later
653 00:31:44,309 00:31:46,974 that they were so impressed that you took that they were so impressed that you took
654 00:31:46,975 00:31:48,932 a photographer that wasn't known, a photographer that wasn't known,
655 00:31:48,933 00:31:53,016 and a girl, and let her come and take these pictures. and a girl, and let her come and take these pictures.
656 00:31:53,017 00:31:54,640 And that's why they were-- And that's why they were--
657 00:31:54,641 00:31:56,558 I think that's why they were so accommodating, I think that's why they were so accommodating,
658 00:31:56,559 00:31:58,807 is they just-- they thought it was really is they just-- they thought it was really
659 00:31:58,808 00:32:01,599 kind of charming and sweet that you took a sort of-- kind of charming and sweet that you took a sort of--
660 00:32:01,600 00:32:04,558 this unknown photographer and let her take those pictures. this unknown photographer and let her take those pictures.
661 00:32:04,559 00:32:06,558 And you know the story about this picture. And you know the story about this picture.
662 00:32:06,559 00:32:08,099 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
663 00:32:08,100 00:32:10,141 - You saw this picture on a contact sheet. - You saw this picture on a contact sheet.
664 00:32:10,142 00:32:12,308 - I said, "That's the cover." - You did, you did say that. - I said, "That's the cover." - You did, you did say that.
665 00:32:12,309 00:32:13,890 - Yeah, I picked that out immediately. - Yeah, I picked that out immediately.
666 00:32:13,891 00:32:16,474 Look at the power of that expression. Look at the power of that expression.
667 00:32:17,891 00:32:20,849 ♪ Look at me ♪ ♪ Look at me ♪
668 00:32:24,350 00:32:27,682 ♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪ ♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪
669 00:32:27,683 00:32:29,682 ♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪ ♪ Who am I supposed to be? ♪
670 00:32:29,683 00:32:32,516 - Our first real contact with John and Yoko - Our first real contact with John and Yoko
671 00:32:32,517 00:32:35,724 was about nine or ten months into starting "Rolling Stone." was about nine or ten months into starting "Rolling Stone."
672 00:32:35,725 00:32:38,433 We heard about the "Two Virgins" record, We heard about the "Two Virgins" record,
673 00:32:38,434 00:32:41,182 that first solo record by John and Yoko together. that first solo record by John and Yoko together.
674 00:32:41,183 00:32:42,682 Kind of experimental music. Kind of experimental music.
675 00:32:51,641 00:32:54,349 The cover and the back cover of that record The cover and the back cover of that record
676 00:32:54,350 00:32:58,266 was a photograph of the two of them naked. was a photograph of the two of them naked.
677 00:32:58,267 00:33:01,558 Well, this was banned in quite a lot of places, Well, this was banned in quite a lot of places,
678 00:33:01,559 00:33:03,391 including the United States. including the United States.
679 00:33:03,392 00:33:07,266 - The naked album cover, we felt like two virgins-- - The naked album cover, we felt like two virgins--
680 00:33:07,267 00:33:08,890 that's what the album was called-- that's what the album was called--
681 00:33:08,891 00:33:10,516 because we were in love, because we were in love,
682 00:33:10,517 00:33:13,932 just met, and we were trying to make something. just met, and we were trying to make something.
683 00:33:13,933 00:33:16,932 And we thought to show everything. And we thought to show everything.
684 00:33:16,933 00:33:18,849 People are always looking at people like me, People are always looking at people like me,
685 00:33:18,850 00:33:20,682 trying to see some secret or, trying to see some secret or,
686 00:33:20,683 00:33:22,558 "What do they do? What do they do?" "What do they do? What do they do?"
687 00:33:22,559 00:33:24,308 You know, "Do they go to the bathroom? You know, "Do they go to the bathroom?
688 00:33:24,309 00:33:25,640 Do they eat?" Do they eat?"
689 00:33:25,641 00:33:28,182 We just said, "Here." You know? We just said, "Here." You know?
690 00:33:28,183 00:33:30,599 - We decided to write them - We decided to write them
691 00:33:30,600 00:33:32,308 and tell them we'll publish it. and tell them we'll publish it.
692 00:33:32,309 00:33:35,474 It created quite a stir. It created quite a stir.
693 00:33:35,475 00:33:38,849 Really the first time we had gotten any kind of attention. Really the first time we had gotten any kind of attention.
694 00:33:38,850 00:33:41,266 The "San Francisco Chronicle" ran an article, The "San Francisco Chronicle" ran an article,
695 00:33:41,267 00:33:46,474 which was headlined, "Naked Beatle Perils S.F." which was headlined, "Naked Beatle Perils S.F."
696 00:33:46,475 00:33:48,516 And I concluded from all this, And I concluded from all this,
697 00:33:48,517 00:33:50,224 if you print a famous foreskin, if you print a famous foreskin,
698 00:33:50,225 00:33:52,807 the world will beat a path to your door. the world will beat a path to your door.
699 00:33:52,808 00:33:55,765 - One, two. One, two, three, four. - One, two. One, two, three, four.
700 00:34:01,058 00:34:04,932 - ♪ Everybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism ♪ - ♪ Everybody's talking about Bagism, Shagism, Dragism ♪
701 00:34:04,933 00:34:06,932 ♪ Madism, Ragism, Tagism ♪ ♪ Madism, Ragism, Tagism ♪
702 00:34:06,933 00:34:09,599 ♪ This-ism, that-ism, ism, ism, ism ♪ ♪ This-ism, that-ism, ism, ism, ism ♪
703 00:34:11,267 00:34:17,099 ♪ All we are saying ♪ ♪ All we are saying ♪
704 00:34:17,100 00:34:19,266 ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪ ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
705 00:34:19,267 00:34:21,099 That's all we're saying! That's all we're saying!
706 00:34:21,100 00:34:23,474 - Because of that cover, - Because of that cover,
707 00:34:23,475 00:34:27,308 we became friends with John and Yoko. we became friends with John and Yoko.
708 00:34:27,309 00:34:29,308 You know, I would speak to him on the phone. You know, I would speak to him on the phone.
709 00:34:29,309 00:34:30,932 He'd give us little interviews, He'd give us little interviews,
710 00:34:30,933 00:34:32,516 and we'd run all these articles. and we'd run all these articles.
711 00:34:32,517 00:34:34,474 We covered their peace crusade, We covered their peace crusade,
712 00:34:34,475 00:34:36,391 the bed-in, and all the various things the bed-in, and all the various things
713 00:34:36,392 00:34:38,558 that they were doing as John was finding his way that they were doing as John was finding his way
714 00:34:38,559 00:34:40,308 into political protests into political protests
715 00:34:40,309 00:34:42,016 and starting to come away from the Beatles, and starting to come away from the Beatles,
716 00:34:42,017 00:34:44,474 and we kind of became the mouthpiece and we kind of became the mouthpiece
717 00:34:44,475 00:34:46,849 for John and Yoko. for John and Yoko.
718 00:34:46,850 00:34:49,308 At the same time, people thought he was just crazy At the same time, people thought he was just crazy
719 00:34:49,309 00:34:51,474 for doing that kind of stuff. for doing that kind of stuff.
720 00:34:51,475 00:34:53,433 The media of the world, they didn't want to see The media of the world, they didn't want to see
721 00:34:53,434 00:34:56,640 anything other than the level mop-top Beatle. anything other than the level mop-top Beatle.
722 00:34:56,641 00:34:59,057 - What do you know about a protest movement anyway? - What do you know about a protest movement anyway?
723 00:34:59,058 00:35:01,349 - I know a lot about it-- - It consists of a lot more - I know a lot about it-- - It consists of a lot more
724 00:35:01,350 00:35:03,599 than sending your chauffeur and your car than sending your chauffeur and your car
725 00:35:03,600 00:35:04,932 back to Buckingham Palace. back to Buckingham Palace.
726 00:35:04,933 00:35:06,474 - You're just a snob about it. - You're just a snob about it.
727 00:35:06,475 00:35:07,849 The only way to make-- - You're a fake. The only way to make-- - You're a fake.
728 00:35:07,850 00:35:09,974 - ♪ Give peace a chance ♪ - ♪ Give peace a chance ♪
729 00:35:09,975 00:35:11,516 - If I'm gonna get on the front page, - If I'm gonna get on the front page,
730 00:35:11,517 00:35:12,765 I might as well get on the front page I might as well get on the front page
731 00:35:12,766 00:35:14,182 with the word "peace." with the word "peace."
732 00:35:14,183 00:35:15,974 - But you've made yourself ridiculous. - But you've made yourself ridiculous.
733 00:35:15,975 00:35:17,474 - To some people. I don't care if-- - To some people. I don't care if--
734 00:35:17,475 00:35:19,182 - You're too good for what you're doing. - You're too good for what you're doing.
735 00:35:19,183 00:35:21,849 - If it saves lives-- - You don't think you-- - If it saves lives-- - You don't think you--
736 00:35:21,850 00:35:24,724 Oh, my dear boy, you're living in a Never Never Land. Oh, my dear boy, you're living in a Never Never Land.
737 00:35:24,725 00:35:28,182 - ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪ - ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
738 00:35:28,183 00:35:30,682 - ♪ Everybody's talking about revolution, evolution... ♪ - ♪ Everybody's talking about revolution, evolution... ♪
739 00:35:30,683 00:35:32,849 - I'm someone who admired you very much. - I'm someone who admired you very much.
740 00:35:32,850 00:35:34,724 - Well, I'm sorry you liked the old mop tops, dear, - Well, I'm sorry you liked the old mop tops, dear,
741 00:35:34,725 00:35:38,016 and you thought it was very satirical and witty, and you thought it was very satirical and witty,
742 00:35:38,017 00:35:39,849 and you liked "Hard Day's Night," love, and you liked "Hard Day's Night," love,
743 00:35:39,850 00:35:41,599 but I've grown up, but you obviously haven't. but I've grown up, but you obviously haven't.
744 00:35:41,600 00:35:43,558 - Have you? - Yes, folks. - Have you? - Yes, folks.
745 00:35:43,559 00:35:46,224 - What have you grown up to? - Oh, 29. - What have you grown up to? - Oh, 29.
746 00:35:46,225 00:35:47,558 - Yes, yeah. - Yes, yeah.
747 00:35:47,559 00:35:49,057 - You were saying that in America, - You were saying that in America,
748 00:35:49,058 00:35:51,016 they're so serious about the protest movement. they're so serious about the protest movement.
749 00:35:51,017 00:35:52,724 - Yes, they are. - But they were so flippant - Yes, they are. - But they were so flippant
750 00:35:52,725 00:35:54,516 that they were singing a happy-go-lucky song, that they were singing a happy-go-lucky song,
751 00:35:54,517 00:35:56,224 which happens to be one I wrote, which happens to be one I wrote,
752 00:35:56,225 00:35:57,932 and I'm glad they sang it. and I'm glad they sang it.
753 00:35:57,933 00:36:01,765 And that was a message from me to America or to anywhere. And that was a message from me to America or to anywhere.
754 00:36:01,766 00:36:04,224 - Thank you, good-bye. - Thank you, good-bye.
755 00:36:04,225 00:36:06,433 - But the last point was a good point, - But the last point was a good point,
756 00:36:06,434 00:36:08,474 and she didn't want to respond to that. and she didn't want to respond to that.
757 00:36:08,475 00:36:09,807 - She didn't hear anything. - She didn't hear anything.
758 00:36:09,808 00:36:15,224 - ♪ All we are saying ♪ - ♪ All we are saying ♪
759 00:36:15,225 00:36:19,349 ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪ ♪ Is give peace a chance ♪
760 00:36:19,350 00:36:21,724 - Okay, beautiful. Yeah. - Okay, beautiful. Yeah.
761 00:36:27,808 00:36:29,599 - Would you take it all back? - Would you take it all back?
762 00:36:29,600 00:36:31,349 - What? - Being a Beatle? - What? - Being a Beatle?
763 00:36:31,350 00:36:33,599 - If I could be a fucking fisherman, I would. - If I could be a fucking fisherman, I would.
764 00:36:33,600 00:36:35,433 You know, if I had the capabilities You know, if I had the capabilities
765 00:36:35,434 00:36:37,474 of being something other than I am, I would. of being something other than I am, I would.
766 00:36:37,475 00:36:40,599 It's no fun being an artist. It's torture. It's no fun being an artist. It's torture.
767 00:36:40,600 00:36:43,182 I resent being an artist. I resent being an artist.
768 00:36:43,183 00:36:47,308 I resent performing for fucking idiots. I resent performing for fucking idiots.
769 00:36:47,309 00:36:48,599 They can't feel. They can't feel.
770 00:36:48,600 00:36:49,932 I'm the one that's feeling I'm the one that's feeling
771 00:36:49,933 00:36:51,433 'cause I'm the one expressing 'cause I'm the one expressing
772 00:36:51,434 00:36:53,433 what they are trying to-- what they are trying to--
773 00:36:53,434 00:36:57,807 They--they live vicariously through me and other artists. They--they live vicariously through me and other artists.
774 00:36:57,808 00:37:03,057 I'm interested in more things with a worldwide-- I'm interested in more things with a worldwide--
775 00:37:03,058 00:37:05,433 something that means something for everyone, something that means something for everyone,
776 00:37:05,434 00:37:09,141 not just for a few kids listening to wallpaper. not just for a few kids listening to wallpaper.
777 00:37:09,142 00:37:13,599 You know, I'm in the game of concept and philosophy You know, I'm in the game of concept and philosophy
778 00:37:13,600 00:37:15,266 and ways of life and ways of life
779 00:37:15,267 00:37:17,890 and whole movements in history. and whole movements in history.
780 00:37:17,891 00:37:21,724 I'm not interested in good guitarists. I'm not interested in good guitarists.
781 00:37:21,725 00:37:23,349 - You don't really believe that we're headed - You don't really believe that we're headed
782 00:37:23,350 00:37:25,141 for a violent revolution, do you? for a violent revolution, do you?
783 00:37:25,142 00:37:28,099 - Eventually it'll happen. - Eventually it'll happen.
784 00:37:28,100 00:37:29,724 It has to happen, you know? It has to happen, you know?
785 00:37:29,725 00:37:31,266 What else can happen? What else can happen?
786 00:37:31,267 00:37:33,099 - The problem is a violent revolution now - The problem is a violent revolution now
787 00:37:33,100 00:37:34,974 would really just be the end of the world. would really just be the end of the world.
788 00:37:34,975 00:37:36,932 - Not necessarily. They say that every time. - Not necessarily. They say that every time.
789 00:37:36,933 00:37:40,433 I don't really believe it. And if it is, okay. I don't really believe it. And if it is, okay.
790 00:37:40,434 00:37:43,141 I mean, I'm back to where I was when I was 17, you know? I mean, I'm back to where I was when I was 17, you know?
791 00:37:43,142 00:37:44,807 I mean, at 17, I used to think, I mean, at 17, I used to think,
792 00:37:44,808 00:37:46,807 "Well, what have you got to lose?" "Well, what have you got to lose?"
793 00:37:46,808 00:37:50,682 And now I've got nothing to lose. And now I've got nothing to lose.
794 00:37:50,683 00:37:53,765 ♪ I don't believe in Buddha ♪ ♪ I don't believe in Buddha ♪
795 00:37:53,766 00:37:55,308 - I knew Beatles fans around the world - I knew Beatles fans around the world
796 00:37:55,309 00:37:57,349 had never heard this before. had never heard this before.
797 00:37:57,350 00:38:01,057 Imagine a guy who so urgently wants to be himself Imagine a guy who so urgently wants to be himself
798 00:38:01,058 00:38:05,640 and he's being constrained in the Fab Four soapbox package and he's being constrained in the Fab Four soapbox package
799 00:38:05,641 00:38:07,599 for so long. for so long.
800 00:38:07,600 00:38:09,224 This is what this interview is. This is what this interview is.
801 00:38:09,225 00:38:10,724 It's that box exploding. It's that box exploding.
802 00:38:10,725 00:38:12,016 He's blown it to smithereens. He's blown it to smithereens.
803 00:38:12,017 00:38:16,016 That box is in tatters. That box is in tatters.
804 00:38:16,017 00:38:20,182 - ♪ I don't believe in kings ♪ - ♪ I don't believe in kings ♪
805 00:38:22,350 00:38:26,099 ♪ I don't believe in Elvis ♪ ♪ I don't believe in Elvis ♪
806 00:38:27,683 00:38:32,224 ♪ I don't believe in Zimmerman ♪ ♪ I don't believe in Zimmerman ♪
807 00:38:34,017 00:38:38,392 ♪ I don't believe in Beatles ♪ ♪ I don't believe in Beatles ♪
808 00:38:39,475 00:38:42,724 - You say now, "I don't believe in the Beatles." - You say now, "I don't believe in the Beatles."
809 00:38:42,725 00:38:45,433 - Yeah, I don't believe in the Beatles, that's all. - Yeah, I don't believe in the Beatles, that's all.
810 00:38:45,434 00:38:49,057 I don't believe in the Beatles myth. I don't believe in the Beatles myth.
811 00:38:49,058 00:38:52,349 You know, I don't believe-- You know, I don't believe--
812 00:38:52,350 00:38:54,099 I don't believe in the Beatles. I don't believe in the Beatles.
813 00:38:54,100 00:38:55,890 Yeah, there's no other way of saying it. Yeah, there's no other way of saying it.
814 00:38:55,891 00:38:57,849 Is there? I don't believe in them. Is there? I don't believe in them.
815 00:38:57,850 00:38:59,724 It was a dream. It was a dream.
816 00:38:59,725 00:39:03,558 I don't believe in the dream anymore. I don't believe in the dream anymore.
817 00:39:03,559 00:39:06,724 ♪ I just believe in me ♪ ♪ I just believe in me ♪
818 00:39:10,225 00:39:12,224 ♪ Yoko and me ♪ ♪ Yoko and me ♪
819 00:39:16,225 00:39:17,932 ♪ That's reality ♪ ♪ That's reality ♪
820 00:39:20,058 00:39:22,433 ♪ The dream is over ♪ ♪ The dream is over ♪
821 00:39:26,392 00:39:29,599 ♪ What can I say? ♪ ♪ What can I say? ♪
822 00:39:31,392 00:39:33,308 - The first "Rolling Stone" that I bought - The first "Rolling Stone" that I bought
823 00:39:33,309 00:39:36,640 was Jann's John Lennon interview, part one. was Jann's John Lennon interview, part one.
824 00:39:36,641 00:39:41,349 And I couldn't believe the candor of John Lennon. And I couldn't believe the candor of John Lennon.
825 00:39:41,350 00:39:44,141 I couldn't believe that Jann would ask him this stuff. I couldn't believe that Jann would ask him this stuff.
826 00:39:44,142 00:39:46,141 I couldn't believe the honesty I couldn't believe the honesty
827 00:39:46,142 00:39:48,391 that John Lennon answered with. that John Lennon answered with.
828 00:39:48,392 00:39:52,516 I couldn't believe his ease in the photos with Annie. I couldn't believe his ease in the photos with Annie.
829 00:39:52,517 00:39:55,141 I couldn't believe he said "fuck" so much. I couldn't believe he said "fuck" so much.
830 00:39:55,142 00:39:58,099 I mean, this was, like, fun to read. I mean, this was, like, fun to read.
831 00:39:58,100 00:40:01,932 - ♪ I was the Walrus ♪ - ♪ I was the Walrus ♪
832 00:40:01,933 00:40:04,807 - There was this head shop next to this bus stop, - There was this head shop next to this bus stop,
833 00:40:04,808 00:40:06,599 my school bus stop, my school bus stop,
834 00:40:06,600 00:40:08,640 and they had "Rolling Stone" in a glass case that said, and they had "Rolling Stone" in a glass case that said,
835 00:40:08,641 00:40:11,224 "Must be 18 to buy this." "Must be 18 to buy this."
836 00:40:11,225 00:40:12,765 But it was like one of those places, But it was like one of those places,
837 00:40:12,766 00:40:15,016 it was like "Ye Olde Head Shoppe" it was like "Ye Olde Head Shoppe"
838 00:40:15,017 00:40:16,765 S-H-O-P-P-E. S-H-O-P-P-E.
839 00:40:16,766 00:40:18,558 And I would--I would go in there and, like, And I would--I would go in there and, like,
840 00:40:18,559 00:40:20,016 see the new "Rolling Stone," see the new "Rolling Stone,"
841 00:40:20,017 00:40:21,765 and eventually they let me buy it. and eventually they let me buy it.
842 00:40:21,766 00:40:23,224 And that was how I first And that was how I first
843 00:40:23,225 00:40:24,474 started to read "Rolling Stone." started to read "Rolling Stone."
844 00:40:24,475 00:40:26,182 - And how old were you then? - And how old were you then?
845 00:40:26,183 00:40:28,516 - 14. - Right. - 14. - Right.
846 00:40:28,517 00:40:30,141 - A lucky 14. - A lucky 14.
847 00:40:32,683 00:40:36,890 My mom, a teacher, who did not believe in rock, My mom, a teacher, who did not believe in rock,
848 00:40:36,891 00:40:39,141 didn't believe it should even be in the house, didn't believe it should even be in the house,
849 00:40:39,142 00:40:40,807 would never have believed would never have believed
850 00:40:40,808 00:40:43,266 the kind of emotional and intellectual commitment the kind of emotional and intellectual commitment
851 00:40:43,267 00:40:46,724 that these people had towards putting out this magazine. that these people had towards putting out this magazine.
852 00:40:56,017 00:40:59,016 "Rolling Stone" had these amazing writers. "Rolling Stone" had these amazing writers.
853 00:40:59,017 00:41:01,849 They were so serious about this thing They were so serious about this thing
854 00:41:01,850 00:41:07,308 that was supposed to be disposable--rock music. that was supposed to be disposable--rock music.
855 00:41:07,309 00:41:11,016 And so I was trying to, like, make it in my own little way, And so I was trying to, like, make it in my own little way,
856 00:41:11,017 00:41:13,349 writing for this local underground paper-- writing for this local underground paper--
857 00:41:13,350 00:41:17,057 the "San Diego Door." the "San Diego Door."
858 00:41:17,058 00:41:21,433 I had started to get copies of my reviews that I would send I had started to get copies of my reviews that I would send
859 00:41:21,434 00:41:23,807 to Ben Fong-Torres at "Rolling Stone." to Ben Fong-Torres at "Rolling Stone."
860 00:41:31,891 00:41:33,724 At one point, I got tickets At one point, I got tickets
861 00:41:33,725 00:41:36,682 to a 1973 Rolling Stones benefit to a 1973 Rolling Stones benefit
862 00:41:36,683 00:41:38,391 that they did at the Forum. that they did at the Forum.
863 00:41:38,392 00:41:40,099 And there was a publicist that said to me, And there was a publicist that said to me,
864 00:41:40,100 00:41:43,016 "Do you want to meet Ben Fong-Torres?" "Do you want to meet Ben Fong-Torres?"
865 00:41:43,017 00:41:44,433 I said, "Yeah, let's do it." I said, "Yeah, let's do it."
866 00:41:44,434 00:41:47,057 She was like, "Let's be quick." She was like, "Let's be quick."
867 00:41:47,058 00:41:49,057 - ♪ Yeah, a Gold Coast slave ship ♪ - ♪ Yeah, a Gold Coast slave ship ♪
868 00:41:49,058 00:41:50,807 ♪ Bound for cotton fields ♪ ♪ Bound for cotton fields ♪
869 00:41:50,808 00:41:53,724 ♪ Sold in the market down in New Orleans ♪ ♪ Sold in the market down in New Orleans ♪
870 00:41:53,725 00:41:56,057 - She takes me down to these great seats - She takes me down to these great seats
871 00:41:56,058 00:41:58,391 where Ben Fong-Torres was and says, where Ben Fong-Torres was and says,
872 00:41:58,392 00:42:01,057 "Ben, Ben, I want you to meet this young writer "Ben, Ben, I want you to meet this young writer
873 00:42:01,058 00:42:02,682 from San Diego." from San Diego."
874 00:42:02,683 00:42:04,266 And he said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I-- And he said, "Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I--
875 00:42:04,267 00:42:06,141 I think I know your stuff." I think I know your stuff."
876 00:42:06,142 00:42:07,932 And it was dark and he couldn't see how old I was, And it was dark and he couldn't see how old I was,
877 00:42:07,933 00:42:09,765 and he was like, "Yeah, great, congratulations. and he was like, "Yeah, great, congratulations.
878 00:42:09,766 00:42:12,141 It's great to meet you. Enjoy the show. Bye." It's great to meet you. Enjoy the show. Bye."
879 00:42:12,142 00:42:16,224 But I had met Ben Fong-Torres, and that was the beginning. But I had met Ben Fong-Torres, and that was the beginning.
880 00:42:22,434 00:42:25,807 - ♪ Drums beating cold, English blood runs hot ♪ - ♪ Drums beating cold, English blood runs hot ♪
881 00:42:25,808 00:42:29,266 ♪ Lady of the house wondering when it's gonna stop ♪ ♪ Lady of the house wondering when it's gonna stop ♪
882 00:42:29,267 00:42:32,807 ♪ Houseboy knows that he's doing all right ♪ ♪ Houseboy knows that he's doing all right ♪
883 00:42:32,808 00:42:36,890 ♪ You should have heard him just around midnight ♪ ♪ You should have heard him just around midnight ♪
884 00:42:38,683 00:42:42,016 ♪ Brown Sugar, how come you dance so good? ♪ ♪ Brown Sugar, how come you dance so good? ♪
885 00:42:42,017 00:42:44,558 - Ben gave me a couple assignments-- - Ben gave me a couple assignments--
886 00:42:44,559 00:42:48,141 Kris Kristofferson, the Eagles. Kris Kristofferson, the Eagles.
887 00:42:48,142 00:42:50,807 Poco was my first byline piece. Poco was my first byline piece.
888 00:42:53,017 00:42:54,807 - Cameron was a high-school student, - Cameron was a high-school student,
889 00:42:54,808 00:42:56,474 you know, in San Diego. you know, in San Diego.
890 00:42:56,475 00:42:58,682 To get him to go do pieces for us, To get him to go do pieces for us,
891 00:42:58,683 00:43:01,308 we had to write notes to the school we had to write notes to the school
892 00:43:01,309 00:43:04,474 getting him out of classes. getting him out of classes.
893 00:43:04,475 00:43:07,474 Here comes Cameron, this fresh-faced kid, Here comes Cameron, this fresh-faced kid,
894 00:43:07,475 00:43:10,640 super interested in music, and "aw shucks." super interested in music, and "aw shucks."
895 00:43:10,641 00:43:13,308 And I think everybody loved him for that. And I think everybody loved him for that.
896 00:43:13,309 00:43:15,266 - Is Nixon still on their minds? - Is Nixon still on their minds?
897 00:43:15,267 00:43:17,974 I was just happy to be there. I was just happy to be there.
898 00:43:17,975 00:43:19,890 I felt like I was a fan, I felt like I was a fan,
899 00:43:19,891 00:43:22,474 who, along with his front-row seat, who, along with his front-row seat,
900 00:43:22,475 00:43:24,890 got an opportunity to ask the questions got an opportunity to ask the questions
901 00:43:24,891 00:43:27,932 that I really wanted to know the answers to. that I really wanted to know the answers to.
902 00:43:27,933 00:43:31,057 - ♪ Just like a young boy should ♪ - ♪ Just like a young boy should ♪
903 00:43:31,058 00:43:32,682 - One of my first pieces for them - One of my first pieces for them
904 00:43:32,683 00:43:34,640 was a review of Joe Walsh. was a review of Joe Walsh.
905 00:43:34,641 00:43:38,099 Jann sent me a note that said, Jann sent me a note that said,
906 00:43:38,100 00:43:40,599 "Nice job. Your stuff's getting better. "Nice job. Your stuff's getting better.
907 00:43:40,600 00:43:42,016 Jann." Jann."
908 00:43:42,017 00:43:43,890 Which I thought, "That's amazing. Which I thought, "That's amazing.
909 00:43:43,891 00:43:46,849 He's reading my Joe Walsh review." He's reading my Joe Walsh review."
910 00:43:46,850 00:43:49,599 - In that period, I was the hands-on editor - In that period, I was the hands-on editor
911 00:43:49,600 00:43:51,349 of the magazine of all these writers. of the magazine of all these writers.
912 00:43:51,350 00:43:54,182 And we had a real great stable of them. And we had a real great stable of them.
913 00:43:54,183 00:43:56,099 My job is knowing what somebody's good at, My job is knowing what somebody's good at,
914 00:43:56,100 00:43:57,724 getting them to do what they're good at, getting them to do what they're good at,
915 00:43:57,725 00:43:59,640 or matching them with a good idea. or matching them with a good idea.
916 00:43:59,641 00:44:01,516 You know, sometimes great writers just don't know You know, sometimes great writers just don't know
917 00:44:01,517 00:44:03,224 what they should write about. what they should write about.
918 00:44:03,225 00:44:05,224 And fairly quickly "Rolling Stone" became And fairly quickly "Rolling Stone" became
919 00:44:05,225 00:44:07,391 more than a music magazine. more than a music magazine.
920 00:44:07,392 00:44:09,141 We had really taken over from "Esquire" We had really taken over from "Esquire"
921 00:44:09,142 00:44:10,890 as the home of the new journalism. as the home of the new journalism.
922 00:44:10,891 00:44:15,433 I mean, by '73, I had recruited Tom Wolfe. I mean, by '73, I had recruited Tom Wolfe.
923 00:44:15,434 00:44:17,224 - "Rolling Stone" has been, um, - "Rolling Stone" has been, um,
924 00:44:17,225 00:44:20,640 extremely flexible and willing to take chances extremely flexible and willing to take chances
925 00:44:20,641 00:44:22,349 and not frightened. and not frightened.
926 00:44:22,350 00:44:24,016 "Rolling Stone" broke all the rules. "Rolling Stone" broke all the rules.
927 00:44:24,017 00:44:25,974 In an era in which young people In an era in which young people
928 00:44:25,975 00:44:29,141 were supposed to have the shortest attention spans, were supposed to have the shortest attention spans,
929 00:44:29,142 00:44:30,849 started running articles that were endless. started running articles that were endless.
930 00:44:30,850 00:44:32,433 I wrote some of them myself. I wrote some of them myself.
931 00:44:32,434 00:44:35,765 - With "Rolling Stone," I was given the room - With "Rolling Stone," I was given the room
932 00:44:35,766 00:44:39,724 and the range to really kick ass, you know, and the range to really kick ass, you know,
933 00:44:39,725 00:44:43,640 to stomp on the terra, as Lord Buckley said. to stomp on the terra, as Lord Buckley said.
934 00:44:43,641 00:44:47,765 And very few places, uh, will give you that. And very few places, uh, will give you that.
935 00:44:53,183 00:44:55,724 - My guest, he's the roving correspondent, - My guest, he's the roving correspondent,
936 00:44:55,725 00:44:57,932 you might say, for "Rolling Stone." you might say, for "Rolling Stone."
937 00:44:57,933 00:44:59,724 One of the most remarkable journalists One of the most remarkable journalists
938 00:44:59,725 00:45:02,765 in the country today, Hunter S. Thompson, DGS, in the country today, Hunter S. Thompson, DGS,
939 00:45:02,766 00:45:05,516 Doctor of Gonzo Journalism. Doctor of Gonzo Journalism.
940 00:45:05,517 00:45:06,600 - No. - No.
941 00:45:12,933 00:45:14,932 - What is gonzo journalism? - What is gonzo journalism?
942 00:45:14,933 00:45:17,266 - Subjectivity, total subjectivity. - Subjectivity, total subjectivity.
943 00:45:17,267 00:45:20,807 Uh, out-front bias, participation. Uh, out-front bias, participation.
944 00:45:20,808 00:45:23,016 You are a part of the story. You are a part of the story.
945 00:45:24,725 00:45:26,182 - Who first came up with the idea - Who first came up with the idea
946 00:45:26,183 00:45:28,433 of Hunter covering a campaign? of Hunter covering a campaign?
947 00:45:28,434 00:45:30,974 - I did. - I did.
948 00:45:30,975 00:45:32,849 At first, I came up with the idea At first, I came up with the idea
949 00:45:32,850 00:45:35,890 that he should go to Vietnam and cover the war there. that he should go to Vietnam and cover the war there.
950 00:45:35,891 00:45:37,308 - Nice. - Nice.
951 00:45:37,309 00:45:39,099 - As we were getting ready to do it, - As we were getting ready to do it,
952 00:45:39,100 00:45:42,308 I kind of, like, was having second thoughts about it. I kind of, like, was having second thoughts about it.
953 00:45:44,434 00:45:46,349 - Let's re-mark him. - Let's re-mark him.
954 00:45:46,350 00:45:48,807 - 961. - 961.
955 00:45:48,808 00:45:51,349 - You know, I don't know-- I was getting cold feet on it - You know, I don't know-- I was getting cold feet on it
956 00:45:51,350 00:45:53,474 for some reason or another. for some reason or another.
957 00:45:53,475 00:45:56,640 - But I'd like to ask you why you use drugs. - But I'd like to ask you why you use drugs.
958 00:45:56,641 00:46:00,765 - It's been demonstratively proven - It's been demonstratively proven
959 00:46:00,766 00:46:04,640 that temper tantrums are not the best way to do interviews, that temper tantrums are not the best way to do interviews,
960 00:46:04,641 00:46:07,057 and probably my life will be easier and yours, too, and probably my life will be easier and yours, too,
961 00:46:07,058 00:46:09,682 if I smoke a joint. if I smoke a joint.
962 00:46:09,683 00:46:13,016 If I were to sit here in a fit of anger If I were to sit here in a fit of anger
963 00:46:13,017 00:46:14,807 and you saw me eating acid, and you saw me eating acid,
964 00:46:14,808 00:46:17,974 if I were you, I'd leave with all the equipment. if I were you, I'd leave with all the equipment.
965 00:46:17,975 00:46:20,890 - We set out on the campaign as partners - We set out on the campaign as partners
966 00:46:20,891 00:46:24,182 in an effort to influence the election, in an effort to influence the election,
967 00:46:24,183 00:46:26,141 see what we could do with the "Rolling Stone" audience's see what we could do with the "Rolling Stone" audience's
968 00:46:26,142 00:46:28,016 so-called youth vote. so-called youth vote.
969 00:46:28,017 00:46:29,849 Nearly all of our audience could all of a sudden vote Nearly all of our audience could all of a sudden vote
970 00:46:29,850 00:46:31,640 for the first time in American history. for the first time in American history.
971 00:46:31,641 00:46:33,682 How do you make politics appealing to an audience How do you make politics appealing to an audience
972 00:46:33,683 00:46:35,516 that didn't like politics? that didn't like politics?
973 00:46:35,517 00:46:37,849 I mean, take the guy who wrote "Hell's Angels" I mean, take the guy who wrote "Hell's Angels"
974 00:46:37,850 00:46:40,391 and send him out to cover this cast of thugs and send him out to cover this cast of thugs
975 00:46:40,392 00:46:42,932 and power mad freaks, and, you know, and power mad freaks, and, you know,
976 00:46:42,933 00:46:46,974 all these people running around, you know, and Nixon. all these people running around, you know, and Nixon.
977 00:46:46,975 00:46:48,890 - Would you have any other place - Would you have any other place
978 00:46:48,891 00:46:51,599 to publish your stuff if it wasn't for "Rolling Stone"? to publish your stuff if it wasn't for "Rolling Stone"?
979 00:46:51,600 00:46:53,391 - Oh, yeah. - Oh, yeah.
980 00:46:53,392 00:46:56,599 But there's not too many places that would pay for it. But there's not too many places that would pay for it.
981 00:46:56,600 00:46:58,474 We've come to the point where every four years, We've come to the point where every four years,
982 00:46:58,475 00:47:00,599 this national fever rises up. this national fever rises up.
983 00:47:00,600 00:47:02,308 This hunger for the Savior, This hunger for the Savior,
984 00:47:02,309 00:47:05,308 the White Knight, the Man on Horseback, the White Knight, the Man on Horseback,
985 00:47:05,309 00:47:08,057 and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful, and whoever wins becomes so immensely powerful,
986 00:47:08,058 00:47:10,308 like Nixon is now, like Nixon is now,
987 00:47:10,309 00:47:12,474 that when you vote for President today that when you vote for President today
988 00:47:12,475 00:47:14,391 you're talking about giving a man you're talking about giving a man
989 00:47:14,392 00:47:16,224 dictatorial power for four years. dictatorial power for four years.
990 00:47:16,225 00:47:17,932 You almost have to be a rock star You almost have to be a rock star
991 00:47:17,933 00:47:19,682 to generate the kind of fever to generate the kind of fever
992 00:47:19,683 00:47:22,433 you need to survive in American politics. you need to survive in American politics.
993 00:47:25,766 00:47:27,599 - ♪ I was born ♪ - ♪ I was born ♪
994 00:47:27,600 00:47:30,807 ♪ In a crossfire hurricane ♪ ♪ In a crossfire hurricane ♪
995 00:47:30,808 00:47:32,682 - In a letter released today, - In a letter released today,
996 00:47:32,683 00:47:34,932 President Nixon announced that he will run for re-election. President Nixon announced that he will run for re-election.
997 00:47:34,933 00:47:38,516 - ♪ At my ma in the driving rain ♪ - ♪ At my ma in the driving rain ♪
998 00:47:40,600 00:47:44,266 ♪ But it's all right, yeah, it's all right ♪ ♪ But it's all right, yeah, it's all right ♪
999 00:47:44,267 00:47:46,640 - There's no lack of Democratic candidates. - There's no lack of Democratic candidates.
1000 00:47:46,641 00:47:49,433 Maine Senator Edmund Muskie is an early favorite. Maine Senator Edmund Muskie is an early favorite.
1001 00:47:49,434 00:47:52,932 Also in the race, South Dakota Senator George McGovern, Also in the race, South Dakota Senator George McGovern,
1002 00:47:52,933 00:47:56,974 dark-horse choice of the youth vote. dark-horse choice of the youth vote.
1003 00:47:56,975 00:48:00,558 - ♪ Whoo ♪ - ♪ Whoo ♪
1004 00:48:00,559 00:48:02,640 - When you go to Washington... - Yeah. - When you go to Washington... - Yeah.
1005 00:48:02,641 00:48:06,765 - You must make applications for press credentials. - You must make applications for press credentials.
1006 00:48:06,766 00:48:08,807 - I don't think they'd even consider ignoring - I don't think they'd even consider ignoring
1007 00:48:08,808 00:48:11,224 or turning down "Rolling Stone" anyway. or turning down "Rolling Stone" anyway.
1008 00:48:11,225 00:48:13,057 Unless there was somebody that had something Unless there was somebody that had something
1009 00:48:13,058 00:48:15,099 really personal against me. really personal against me.
1010 00:48:15,100 00:48:17,224 But, uh, I can't think of anybody, But, uh, I can't think of anybody,
1011 00:48:17,225 00:48:19,308 except some of Nixon's people might. except some of Nixon's people might.
1012 00:48:19,309 00:48:20,474 - Yeah, yeah. - Yeah, yeah.
1013 00:48:20,475 00:48:22,141 - ♪ But it's all right ♪ - ♪ But it's all right ♪
1014 00:48:22,142 00:48:23,807 - The only way a reporter - The only way a reporter
1015 00:48:23,808 00:48:25,974 should look at a politician is down. should look at a politician is down.
1016 00:48:25,975 00:48:28,016 When I went to Washington, When I went to Washington,
1017 00:48:28,017 00:48:30,558 I was determined to avoid the clubby, personal relationships I was determined to avoid the clubby, personal relationships
1018 00:48:30,559 00:48:32,974 that develop between politicians and journalists. that develop between politicians and journalists.
1019 00:48:32,975 00:48:34,890 But there are serious problems But there are serious problems
1020 00:48:34,891 00:48:37,474 with that kind of merciless, ball-busting approach. with that kind of merciless, ball-busting approach.
1021 00:48:37,475 00:48:39,807 The most obvious had to do with my natural, The most obvious had to do with my natural,
1022 00:48:39,808 00:48:43,182 out-front bias for the McGovern candidacy. out-front bias for the McGovern candidacy.
1023 00:48:43,183 00:48:46,224 - We ought to have on our hearts the young men - We ought to have on our hearts the young men
1024 00:48:46,225 00:48:49,474 who are still tied down in the bitter fighting. who are still tied down in the bitter fighting.
1025 00:48:49,475 00:48:52,932 I want the war in Vietnam ended, I want the war in Vietnam ended,
1026 00:48:52,933 00:48:55,141 and I want it ended without delay. and I want it ended without delay.
1027 00:48:55,142 00:48:58,224 - He is probably the most honest big-time politician - He is probably the most honest big-time politician
1028 00:48:58,225 00:49:00,558 in America, which is not quite the same thing in America, which is not quite the same thing
1029 00:49:00,559 00:49:02,433 as being the best candidate. as being the best candidate.
1030 00:49:02,434 00:49:04,599 For that, McGovern would need at least one dark, For that, McGovern would need at least one dark,
1031 00:49:04,600 00:49:06,599 kinky streak of Mick Jagger in his soul. kinky streak of Mick Jagger in his soul.
1032 00:49:06,600 00:49:08,849 - ♪ I was drowned ♪ - ♪ I was drowned ♪
1033 00:49:08,850 00:49:11,765 ♪ I was washed up and left for dead ♪ ♪ I was washed up and left for dead ♪
1034 00:49:11,766 00:49:13,640 - So much for objective journalism. - So much for objective journalism.
1035 00:49:13,641 00:49:15,849 Don't bother to look for it here, Don't bother to look for it here,
1036 00:49:15,850 00:49:17,266 not under any byline of mine not under any byline of mine
1037 00:49:17,267 00:49:18,890 or anyone else I can think of. or anyone else I can think of.
1038 00:49:18,891 00:49:20,182 With the possible exception With the possible exception
1039 00:49:20,183 00:49:21,974 of things like box scores, of things like box scores,
1040 00:49:21,975 00:49:24,141 race results, and stock market tabulations, race results, and stock market tabulations,
1041 00:49:24,142 00:49:27,266 there is no such thing as objective journalism. there is no such thing as objective journalism.
1042 00:49:27,267 00:49:30,558 The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.
1043 00:49:30,559 00:49:33,182 It's the built-in blind spots of the objective rules It's the built-in blind spots of the objective rules
1044 00:49:33,183 00:49:35,516 and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither and dogma that allowed Nixon to slither
1045 00:49:35,517 00:49:38,266 into the White House in the first place. into the White House in the first place.
1046 00:49:38,267 00:49:40,016 - Let us be strong. - Let us be strong.
1047 00:49:40,017 00:49:42,682 Let us be for peace, but let us be for peace Let us be for peace, but let us be for peace
1048 00:49:42,683 00:49:45,141 through strength and not peace through weakness. through strength and not peace through weakness.
1049 00:49:45,142 00:49:46,724 That is what we stand for. That is what we stand for.
1050 00:49:46,725 00:49:49,016 - Richard Nixon represents the dark side - Richard Nixon represents the dark side
1051 00:49:49,017 00:49:50,724 of the American Dream. of the American Dream.
1052 00:49:50,725 00:49:52,474 Richard Nixon stands, to me, for everything Richard Nixon stands, to me, for everything
1053 00:49:52,475 00:49:54,890 that I not only have contempt for but dislike that I not only have contempt for but dislike
1054 00:49:54,891 00:49:56,890 and think should be stomped out... and think should be stomped out...
1055 00:49:56,891 00:50:00,224 greed, treachery, stupidity, cupidity, greed, treachery, stupidity, cupidity,
1056 00:50:00,225 00:50:01,974 positive power of lying, positive power of lying,
1057 00:50:01,975 00:50:04,141 total contempt for, uh, any sort total contempt for, uh, any sort
1058 00:50:04,142 00:50:07,266 of human constructive political instinct. of human constructive political instinct.
1059 00:50:07,267 00:50:10,516 Nixon represents everything that's wrong with this country. Nixon represents everything that's wrong with this country.
1060 00:50:10,517 00:50:11,974 - Hi. - Hi.
1061 00:50:11,975 00:50:13,391 - There are only two ways to make it - There are only two ways to make it
1062 00:50:13,392 00:50:15,057 in big-time politics today. in big-time politics today.
1063 00:50:15,058 00:50:17,057 One is to come on like a mean dinosaur One is to come on like a mean dinosaur
1064 00:50:17,058 00:50:19,016 with a high-powered machine that scares the shit with a high-powered machine that scares the shit
1065 00:50:19,017 00:50:21,974 out of your entrenched opposition, like Nixon. out of your entrenched opposition, like Nixon.
1066 00:50:21,975 00:50:25,474 And the other is to tap the massive frustrated energies And the other is to tap the massive frustrated energies
1067 00:50:25,475 00:50:27,974 of a mainly young, disillusioned electorate of a mainly young, disillusioned electorate
1068 00:50:27,975 00:50:30,849 that has long since abandoned the idea that has long since abandoned the idea
1069 00:50:30,850 00:50:33,016 that you have a duty to vote. that you have a duty to vote.
1070 00:50:33,017 00:50:35,600 - Thank you. - Whoo! - Thank you. - Whoo!
1071 00:50:37,267 00:50:39,099 - There were five people or six people - There were five people or six people
1072 00:50:39,100 00:50:40,849 covering the McGovern campaign, covering the McGovern campaign,
1073 00:50:40,850 00:50:42,890 of whom two were from "Rolling Stone" -- of whom two were from "Rolling Stone" --
1074 00:50:42,891 00:50:45,516 Hunter and Tim Crouse, who was one of our junior stars, Hunter and Tim Crouse, who was one of our junior stars,
1075 00:50:45,517 00:50:47,266 and he wanted to be up there and cover the campaign. and he wanted to be up there and cover the campaign.
1076 00:50:47,267 00:50:48,974 I said, "Sure, go right ahead, I said, "Sure, go right ahead,
1077 00:50:48,975 00:50:51,599 and you can help Hunter while you're at it." and you can help Hunter while you're at it."
1078 00:50:51,600 00:50:55,682 - The whole idea of a revolution - The whole idea of a revolution
1079 00:50:55,683 00:50:58,141 that would bring about freedom from repression, that would bring about freedom from repression,
1080 00:50:58,142 00:51:02,057 freedom from convention, that would repudiate war, freedom from convention, that would repudiate war,
1081 00:51:02,058 00:51:05,849 Hunter was very romantic about those things. Hunter was very romantic about those things.
1082 00:51:05,850 00:51:08,266 Hunter thought that politics Hunter thought that politics
1083 00:51:08,267 00:51:10,558 could be the vehicle for making the world safe could be the vehicle for making the world safe
1084 00:51:10,559 00:51:14,640 for the counterculture and for its ideals. for the counterculture and for its ideals.
1085 00:51:14,641 00:51:17,516 Essentially, he was a man Essentially, he was a man
1086 00:51:17,517 00:51:19,765 in search of an honest politician, in search of an honest politician,
1087 00:51:19,766 00:51:22,141 and the only candidate in sight and the only candidate in sight
1088 00:51:22,142 00:51:25,932 who even vaguely qualified was George McGovern, who even vaguely qualified was George McGovern,
1089 00:51:25,933 00:51:30,308 and at the same time, Hunter had it in for Muskie, and at the same time, Hunter had it in for Muskie,
1090 00:51:30,309 00:51:33,974 the man who McGovern was in competition with, the man who McGovern was in competition with,
1091 00:51:33,975 00:51:35,724 like you couldn't believe. like you couldn't believe.
1092 00:51:35,725 00:51:39,308 Hunter just could not lay off of Muskie. Hunter just could not lay off of Muskie.
1093 00:51:39,309 00:51:42,558 - What did you do to Ed Muskie? - What did you do to Ed Muskie?
1094 00:51:42,559 00:51:45,640 - Nothing, unless he did it to himself. - Nothing, unless he did it to himself.
1095 00:51:45,641 00:51:48,016 I just helped him along. I just helped him along.
1096 00:51:48,017 00:51:50,516 Toward the end of the Wisconsin primary race, Toward the end of the Wisconsin primary race,
1097 00:51:50,517 00:51:52,391 about a week before the vote, about a week before the vote,
1098 00:51:52,392 00:51:54,890 word leaked out that some of Muskie's top advisors word leaked out that some of Muskie's top advisors
1099 00:51:54,891 00:51:56,890 had called in a Brazilian doctor had called in a Brazilian doctor
1100 00:51:56,891 00:51:58,558 who was said to be treating the candidate who was said to be treating the candidate
1101 00:51:58,559 00:52:00,516 with some kind of strange drug with some kind of strange drug
1102 00:52:00,517 00:52:03,932 that nobody in the press corps had ever heard of. that nobody in the press corps had ever heard of.
1103 00:52:03,933 00:52:05,932 I immediately recognized the ibogaine effect I immediately recognized the ibogaine effect
1104 00:52:05,933 00:52:08,182 from Muskie's tearful breakdown on the flatbed truck from Muskie's tearful breakdown on the flatbed truck
1105 00:52:08,183 00:52:09,765 in New Hampshire, in New Hampshire,
1106 00:52:09,766 00:52:11,516 the delusions and altered thinking the delusions and altered thinking
1107 00:52:11,517 00:52:13,558 that characterized his campaign in Florida, that characterized his campaign in Florida,
1108 00:52:13,559 00:52:16,308 and finally the condition of total rage and finally the condition of total rage
1109 00:52:16,309 00:52:17,974 that gripped him in Wisconsin. that gripped him in Wisconsin.
1110 00:52:17,975 00:52:19,599 It is entirely conceivable, It is entirely conceivable,
1111 00:52:19,600 00:52:21,391 given the known effects of ibogaine, given the known effects of ibogaine,
1112 00:52:21,392 00:52:23,266 that Muskie's brain was almost paralyzed that Muskie's brain was almost paralyzed
1113 00:52:23,267 00:52:24,974 by hallucinations at the time, by hallucinations at the time,
1114 00:52:24,975 00:52:26,765 that he looked out at the crowd that he looked out at the crowd
1115 00:52:26,766 00:52:28,724 and saw Gila monsters instead of people. and saw Gila monsters instead of people.
1116 00:52:28,725 00:52:30,391 We can only speculate on this, We can only speculate on this,
1117 00:52:30,392 00:52:32,349 because those in a position to know because those in a position to know
1118 00:52:32,350 00:52:34,890 have flatly refused to comment on rumors concerning have flatly refused to comment on rumors concerning
1119 00:52:34,891 00:52:39,016 the senator's disastrous experiments with ibogaine. the senator's disastrous experiments with ibogaine.
1120 00:52:39,017 00:52:41,391 - The rumor began to spread everywhere - The rumor began to spread everywhere
1121 00:52:41,392 00:52:43,516 among all the people who were covering the campaign among all the people who were covering the campaign
1122 00:52:43,517 00:52:46,057 that Muskie was, in fact, on this bizarre drug. that Muskie was, in fact, on this bizarre drug.
1123 00:52:46,058 00:52:48,433 You finally said, well, you made it all up. You finally said, well, you made it all up.
1124 00:52:48,434 00:52:50,141 - I had to. - I had to.
1125 00:52:50,142 00:52:52,224 I couldn't believe people took this stuff seriously. I couldn't believe people took this stuff seriously.
1126 00:52:52,225 00:52:55,141 People really believed that Muskie was eating ibogaine. People really believed that Muskie was eating ibogaine.
1127 00:52:55,142 00:52:56,807 I never said he was. I never said he was.
1128 00:52:56,808 00:52:58,890 I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was, I said there was a rumor in Milwaukee that he was,
1129 00:52:58,891 00:53:00,349 which was true. which was true.
1130 00:53:00,350 00:53:02,266 And I started the rumor in Milwaukee. And I started the rumor in Milwaukee.
1131 00:53:02,267 00:53:04,224 And, uh... And, uh...
1132 00:53:04,225 00:53:06,705 Yeah, if you read it carefully, I'm a very accurate journalist. Yeah, if you read it carefully, I'm a very accurate journalist.
1133 00:53:14,434 00:53:16,266 - The Miami Democratic Convention - The Miami Democratic Convention
1134 00:53:16,267 00:53:18,433 was shaping up very fast as one of the most brutal was shaping up very fast as one of the most brutal
1135 00:53:18,434 00:53:21,599 and degrading animal acts of our time. and degrading animal acts of our time.
1136 00:53:21,600 00:53:23,349 Jerry Rubin is making frequent appearances Jerry Rubin is making frequent appearances
1137 00:53:23,350 00:53:24,849 on local TV to warn that... on local TV to warn that...
1138 00:53:24,850 00:53:26,599 - There will be ten thousand Yippies - There will be ten thousand Yippies
1139 00:53:26,600 00:53:28,516 marching naked down this street. marching naked down this street.
1140 00:53:28,517 00:53:30,599 There's gonna be marijuana smoked everywhere, There's gonna be marijuana smoked everywhere,
1141 00:53:30,600 00:53:32,266 including from the delegates. including from the delegates.
1142 00:53:32,267 00:53:35,558 - ♪ High, high, you too can be happy ♪ - ♪ High, high, you too can be happy ♪
1143 00:53:35,559 00:53:36,765 ♪ La-dee-da ♪ ♪ La-dee-da ♪
1144 00:53:40,600 00:53:44,182 - Will the 36th annual convention - Will the 36th annual convention
1145 00:53:44,183 00:53:48,016 of the Democratic Party please come to order? of the Democratic Party please come to order?
1146 00:53:48,017 00:53:50,016 - After four hours of listening - After four hours of listening
1147 00:53:50,017 00:53:52,849 to a seemingly endless parade of shameless dingbats, to a seemingly endless parade of shameless dingbats,
1148 00:53:52,850 00:53:54,474 about half the delegates in the hall about half the delegates in the hall
1149 00:53:54,475 00:53:56,266 were beginning to lose control. were beginning to lose control.
1150 00:53:56,267 00:53:57,890 All over the floor, I saw people All over the floor, I saw people
1151 00:53:57,891 00:53:59,974 giving in to the lure of booze, giving in to the lure of booze,
1152 00:53:59,975 00:54:01,724 and in the crowded aisle and in the crowded aisle
1153 00:54:01,725 00:54:04,057 between the California and Wisconsin delegations, between the California and Wisconsin delegations,
1154 00:54:04,058 00:54:06,807 a smiling freak with a bottle of liquid THC a smiling freak with a bottle of liquid THC
1155 00:54:06,808 00:54:08,516 was giving free hits to anyone was giving free hits to anyone
1156 00:54:08,517 00:54:10,640 who still had the strength to stand. who still had the strength to stand.
1157 00:54:10,641 00:54:12,391 - It's very good. - It's very good.
1158 00:54:12,392 00:54:14,308 - Okay. - Before it's too late. - Okay. - Before it's too late.
1159 00:54:14,309 00:54:16,517 Takes about an hour. Takes about an hour.
1160 00:54:18,683 00:54:20,807 - McGovern had put together - McGovern had put together
1161 00:54:20,808 00:54:22,807 a really mind-bending coalition... a really mind-bending coalition...
1162 00:54:22,808 00:54:25,308 a weird mix of peace freaks and hard hats, a weird mix of peace freaks and hard hats,
1163 00:54:25,309 00:54:26,807 farmers and film stars, farmers and film stars,
1164 00:54:26,808 00:54:29,182 along with urban blacks, rural Chicanos, along with urban blacks, rural Chicanos,
1165 00:54:29,183 00:54:30,890 the youth vote-- the youth vote--
1166 00:54:30,891 00:54:33,765 a coalition that could elect almost anybody. a coalition that could elect almost anybody.
1167 00:54:33,766 00:54:36,016 - You're a director as well as an actor. - You're a director as well as an actor.
1168 00:54:36,017 00:54:38,890 Do you feel that this change really gets to the young people Do you feel that this change really gets to the young people
1169 00:54:38,891 00:54:40,682 who in a way are your constituency, who in a way are your constituency,
1170 00:54:40,683 00:54:42,141 your special followers? your special followers?
1171 00:54:42,142 00:54:43,932 - The fact that they are involved, - The fact that they are involved,
1172 00:54:43,933 00:54:45,849 that they are interested and they realize that there is that they are interested and they realize that there is
1173 00:54:45,850 00:54:49,266 a process with which they can govern their own society. a process with which they can govern their own society.
1174 00:54:49,267 00:54:52,182 I think that they feel included. I think that they feel included.
1175 00:54:52,183 00:54:53,682 - By midnight on Monday, - By midnight on Monday,
1176 00:54:53,683 00:54:55,807 McGovern would get the nomination. McGovern would get the nomination.
1177 00:54:55,808 00:54:58,516 - From military spending so wasteful - From military spending so wasteful
1178 00:54:58,517 00:55:03,016 that it weakens our nation, come home, America. that it weakens our nation, come home, America.
1179 00:55:03,017 00:55:07,724 Come home to the belief that we can seek a newer world. Come home to the belief that we can seek a newer world.
1180 00:55:17,850 00:55:22,224 - ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪ - ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1181 00:55:22,225 00:55:26,724 ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪ ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1182 00:55:26,725 00:55:30,558 ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪ ♪ Glory, glory, hallelujah ♪
1183 00:55:30,559 00:55:35,433 ♪ His truth is marching on ♪ ♪ His truth is marching on ♪
1184 00:55:35,434 00:55:39,057 - Compared to the Democratic Convention five weeks earlier, - Compared to the Democratic Convention five weeks earlier,
1185 00:55:39,058 00:55:40,890 the Nixon celebration was an ugly, the Nixon celebration was an ugly,
1186 00:55:40,891 00:55:42,474 low-level trip that hovered somewhere low-level trip that hovered somewhere
1187 00:55:42,475 00:55:44,516 in that grim indefinable limbo in that grim indefinable limbo
1188 00:55:44,517 00:55:46,558 between dullness and obscenity, between dullness and obscenity,
1189 00:55:46,559 00:55:48,807 like a bad pornographic film that you want to walk out on, like a bad pornographic film that you want to walk out on,
1190 00:55:48,808 00:55:51,057 but sit through anyway and then leave the theater but sit through anyway and then leave the theater
1191 00:55:51,058 00:55:54,057 feeling depressed and vaguely embarrassed. feeling depressed and vaguely embarrassed.
1192 00:55:54,058 00:55:55,807 There may not be much difference There may not be much difference
1193 00:55:55,808 00:55:57,849 between Democrats and Republicans. between Democrats and Republicans.
1194 00:55:57,850 00:55:59,807 I've made that argument myself, I've made that argument myself,
1195 00:55:59,808 00:56:02,474 but only a blind geek could miss the difference but only a blind geek could miss the difference
1196 00:56:02,475 00:56:05,640 between McGovern and Richard Nixon. between McGovern and Richard Nixon.
1197 00:56:12,766 00:56:14,849 I'm not an easy person to deal with I'm not an easy person to deal with
1198 00:56:14,850 00:56:16,807 in terms of deadlines, in terms of deadlines,
1199 00:56:16,808 00:56:19,016 and when I didn't show up for three or four days, and when I didn't show up for three or four days,
1200 00:56:19,017 00:56:20,932 they decided to do the only logical thing. they decided to do the only logical thing.
1201 00:56:20,933 00:56:22,516 - Thanks. - Thanks.
1202 00:56:22,517 00:56:24,558 - One afternoon, they showed up at my door - One afternoon, they showed up at my door
1203 00:56:24,559 00:56:26,849 with no warning and loaded about 40 pounds of supplies with no warning and loaded about 40 pounds of supplies
1204 00:56:26,850 00:56:29,433 into the room-- two cases of Mexican beer, into the room-- two cases of Mexican beer,
1205 00:56:29,434 00:56:32,558 four quarts of gin, a dozen grapefruits, and enough speed four quarts of gin, a dozen grapefruits, and enough speed
1206 00:56:32,559 00:56:36,266 to alter the outcome of about six Super Bowls. to alter the outcome of about six Super Bowls.
1207 00:56:36,267 00:56:38,141 Also a big Selectric typewriter, Also a big Selectric typewriter,
1208 00:56:38,142 00:56:40,558 two reams of paper, and three tape-recorders... two reams of paper, and three tape-recorders...
1209 00:56:40,559 00:56:42,640 Everything stops, comes to a grinding halt. Everything stops, comes to a grinding halt.
1210 00:56:42,641 00:56:44,682 Just in case the situation got so desperate Just in case the situation got so desperate
1211 00:56:44,683 00:56:48,640 that I might finally have to resort to verbal composition. that I might finally have to resort to verbal composition.
1212 00:57:00,309 00:57:03,849 - ♪ Long as I remember ♪ - ♪ Long as I remember ♪
1213 00:57:03,850 00:57:07,932 ♪ The rain's been coming down ♪ ♪ The rain's been coming down ♪
1214 00:57:07,933 00:57:10,266 ♪ Clouds of mystery pouring ♪ ♪ Clouds of mystery pouring ♪
1215 00:57:10,267 00:57:12,682 - If the current polls are reliable, - If the current polls are reliable,
1216 00:57:12,683 00:57:15,640 Nixon will be re-elected by a huge majority of Americans Nixon will be re-elected by a huge majority of Americans
1217 00:57:15,641 00:57:17,599 who feel he is not only more honest who feel he is not only more honest
1218 00:57:17,600 00:57:19,474 and more trustworthy, and more trustworthy,
1219 00:57:19,475 00:57:22,682 but also more likely to end the war in Vietnam. but also more likely to end the war in Vietnam.
1220 00:57:22,683 00:57:26,807 - ♪ And I wonder, still I wonder ♪ - ♪ And I wonder, still I wonder ♪
1221 00:57:26,808 00:57:30,182 ♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪ ♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪
1222 00:57:30,183 00:57:33,308 - This may be the year when we finally come face-to-face - This may be the year when we finally come face-to-face
1223 00:57:33,309 00:57:36,224 with ourselves, that we are really just a nation with ourselves, that we are really just a nation
1224 00:57:36,225 00:57:38,682 of 220 million used-car salesmen of 220 million used-car salesmen
1225 00:57:38,683 00:57:41,349 with all the money we need to buy guns with all the money we need to buy guns
1226 00:57:41,350 00:57:44,016 and no qualms about killing anybody else and no qualms about killing anybody else
1227 00:57:44,017 00:57:45,890 that tries to make us uncomfortable. that tries to make us uncomfortable.
1228 00:57:45,891 00:57:48,182 - ♪ I watched the tower grow ♪ - ♪ I watched the tower grow ♪
1229 00:57:48,183 00:57:51,057 - So far, no states projected for Senator McGovern. - So far, no states projected for Senator McGovern.
1230 00:57:51,058 00:57:53,640 - This is a considerable sweep - This is a considerable sweep
1231 00:57:53,641 00:57:56,516 for President Nixon, the definition of a landslide. for President Nixon, the definition of a landslide.
1232 00:57:56,517 00:57:59,974 - ♪ And I wonder, still I wonder ♪ - ♪ And I wonder, still I wonder ♪
1233 00:57:59,975 00:58:03,016 ♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪ ♪ Who'll stop the rain ♪
1234 00:58:03,017 00:58:05,474 - Jesus, where will it end? - Jesus, where will it end?
1235 00:58:05,475 00:58:08,558 How low do you have to stoop in this country How low do you have to stoop in this country
1236 00:58:08,559 00:58:10,266 to be president? to be president?
1237 00:58:54,100 00:58:58,057 It is Nixon himself who represents that dark, It is Nixon himself who represents that dark,
1238 00:58:58,058 00:59:00,433 venal, and incurably violent side venal, and incurably violent side
1239 00:59:00,434 00:59:02,224 of the American character. of the American character.
1240 00:59:02,225 00:59:05,224 He speaks for the werewolf in us, the bully, He speaks for the werewolf in us, the bully,
1241 00:59:05,225 00:59:06,807 the predatory shyster the predatory shyster
1242 00:59:06,808 00:59:09,057 who turns into something unspeakable, who turns into something unspeakable,
1243 00:59:09,058 00:59:11,682 full of claws and bleeding string warts full of claws and bleeding string warts
1244 00:59:11,683 00:59:15,849 on nights when the moon comes too close. on nights when the moon comes too close.
1245 00:59:15,850 00:59:18,308 - There was something going on with Hunter Thompson - There was something going on with Hunter Thompson
1246 00:59:18,309 00:59:21,266 that was going to sort of like, you know-- that was going to sort of like, you know--
1247 00:59:21,267 00:59:23,807 that was explosive and charismatic, that was explosive and charismatic,
1248 00:59:23,808 00:59:25,724 and he really wanted to be a lone wolf. and he really wanted to be a lone wolf.
1249 00:59:25,725 00:59:29,433 He would push me away from him to go out and do my own story. He would push me away from him to go out and do my own story.
1250 00:59:29,434 00:59:32,474 So, you know, on some level, um, So, you know, on some level, um,
1251 00:59:32,475 00:59:34,682 you know, the writer and the photographer you know, the writer and the photographer
1252 00:59:34,683 00:59:37,433 really were pushed into separate directions, you know. really were pushed into separate directions, you know.
1253 00:59:37,434 00:59:39,474 And--and the photographs did not have to mirror And--and the photographs did not have to mirror
1254 00:59:39,475 00:59:41,141 what was in the story, but they could-- what was in the story, but they could--
1255 00:59:41,142 00:59:42,974 they would always complement the story, they would always complement the story,
1256 00:59:42,975 00:59:45,474 and they could always add to what, you know, and they could always add to what, you know,
1257 00:59:45,475 00:59:48,599 what the story was about. what the story was about.
1258 00:59:48,600 00:59:52,057 Um, San Clemente, Um, San Clemente,
1259 00:59:52,058 00:59:55,349 pictures from San Clemente. pictures from San Clemente.
1260 00:59:55,350 00:59:57,765 White House press bus, the restless wind. White House press bus, the restless wind.
1261 00:59:59,309 01:00:02,599 - These are the pictures from leaving. - These are the pictures from leaving.
1262 01:00:02,600 01:00:04,141 - When he resigned, - When he resigned,
1263 01:00:04,142 01:00:06,016 we were kind of stuck with nothing when Hunter we were kind of stuck with nothing when Hunter
1264 01:00:06,017 01:00:08,224 didn't write anything, and you had this portfolio. didn't write anything, and you had this portfolio.
1265 01:00:08,225 01:00:12,099 So our contribution to the coverage of his resignation-- So our contribution to the coverage of his resignation--
1266 01:00:12,100 01:00:13,558 - You were on deadline. - You were on deadline.
1267 01:00:13,559 01:00:15,141 You were leaving all those pages for Hunter, You were leaving all those pages for Hunter,
1268 01:00:15,142 01:00:17,682 and you filled it up with these pictures, and you filled it up with these pictures,
1269 01:00:17,683 01:00:20,682 which was unbelievable to take these pictures that-- which was unbelievable to take these pictures that--
1270 01:00:20,683 01:00:23,932 that needed space, that needed to go big, that needed space, that needed to go big,
1271 01:00:23,933 01:00:27,141 and you created a classic photo spread. and you created a classic photo spread.
1272 01:00:27,142 01:00:28,391 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
1273 01:00:28,392 01:00:30,558 Who will ever forget that image? Who will ever forget that image?
1274 01:00:30,559 01:00:32,683 Unbelievable. Unbelievable.
1275 01:00:39,350 01:00:41,057 - It was timely, because we could do this-- - It was timely, because we could do this--
1276 01:00:41,058 01:00:42,807 we could-- one, I didn't think-- we could-- one, I didn't think--
1277 01:00:42,808 01:00:44,516 one, I didn't think we had a cover picture. one, I didn't think we had a cover picture.
1278 01:00:44,517 01:00:46,516 We had an old hero picture, right? We had an old hero picture, right?
1279 01:00:46,517 01:00:48,474 I'm not keen on these. I'm not keen on these.
1280 01:00:48,475 01:00:50,099 - So we are choosing it on photos rather than story? - So we are choosing it on photos rather than story?
1281 01:00:50,100 01:00:52,099 - No, I happen to think that the cover idea - No, I happen to think that the cover idea
1282 01:00:52,100 01:00:53,765 that we've evolved now, you now, that we've evolved now, you now,
1283 01:00:53,766 01:00:56,682 which is shooting against an all-white seamless, which is shooting against an all-white seamless,
1284 01:00:56,683 01:00:58,308 is fantastic, and we're gon-- is fantastic, and we're gon--
1285 01:00:58,309 01:00:59,932 I love it. It looks beautiful. I love it. It looks beautiful.
1286 01:00:59,933 01:01:01,765 - You don't necessarily have to always shoot - You don't necessarily have to always shoot
1287 01:01:01,766 01:01:04,640 on white, because as long as it's a consistent style-- on white, because as long as it's a consistent style--
1288 01:01:04,641 01:01:06,349 - Not a matter of subject matter - Not a matter of subject matter
1289 01:01:06,350 01:01:08,141 or whether you use white backgrounds on the cover, or whether you use white backgrounds on the cover,
1290 01:01:08,142 01:01:09,890 black backgrounds or red borders or whatever, black backgrounds or red borders or whatever,
1291 01:01:09,891 01:01:11,724 there are only X number of rock and roll covers there are only X number of rock and roll covers
1292 01:01:11,725 01:01:13,640 you can do anymore, and it's getting less and less-- you can do anymore, and it's getting less and less--
1293 01:01:13,641 01:01:15,016 and it's not the nature of us. and it's not the nature of us.
1294 01:01:15,017 01:01:16,558 It's the nature of the industry, It's the nature of the industry,
1295 01:01:16,559 01:01:18,224 and it's going to continue that way. and it's going to continue that way.
1296 01:01:18,225 01:01:20,890 - Uh, yeah. Okay, next. - Uh, yeah. Okay, next.
1297 01:01:26,559 01:01:28,182 - Over yellow. - Over yellow.
1298 01:01:28,183 01:01:30,099 - "Rolling Stone" had already evolved - "Rolling Stone" had already evolved
1299 01:01:30,100 01:01:33,724 its own culture, and I wasn't a joiner. its own culture, and I wasn't a joiner.
1300 01:01:33,725 01:01:37,433 - ♪ Oh, papa don't take no mess ♪ - ♪ Oh, papa don't take no mess ♪
1301 01:01:37,434 01:01:41,141 ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪ ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1302 01:01:41,142 01:01:43,682 - I had other plans for myself. - I had other plans for myself.
1303 01:01:43,683 01:01:48,974 So I ran my own page in the record reviews. So I ran my own page in the record reviews.
1304 01:01:48,975 01:01:51,599 Getting a good review in "Rolling Stone" Getting a good review in "Rolling Stone"
1305 01:01:51,600 01:01:55,433 became something to strive for. became something to strive for.
1306 01:01:57,142 01:02:00,516 What I liked most and what I wrote about most What I liked most and what I wrote about most
1307 01:02:00,517 01:02:03,057 was black music. was black music.
1308 01:02:03,058 01:02:07,599 My early articles were about B.B. King, My early articles were about B.B. King,
1309 01:02:07,600 01:02:10,474 Aretha Franklin, Sam & Dave, Aretha Franklin, Sam & Dave,
1310 01:02:10,475 01:02:14,016 Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett. Otis Redding, Wilson Pickett.
1311 01:02:14,017 01:02:17,974 At first some of my things smelled a little too much At first some of my things smelled a little too much
1312 01:02:17,975 01:02:21,474 like college term papers. like college term papers.
1313 01:02:21,475 01:02:24,308 I was told by Jann, "You got to loosen up here." I was told by Jann, "You got to loosen up here."
1314 01:02:24,309 01:02:27,391 - ♪ Papa don't, papa don't, papa don't, papa don't ♪ - ♪ Papa don't, papa don't, papa don't, papa don't ♪
1315 01:02:27,392 01:02:29,433 ♪ Papa don't, papa don't ♪ ♪ Papa don't, papa don't ♪
1316 01:02:29,434 01:02:32,890 ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪ ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1317 01:02:32,891 01:02:35,807 ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪ ♪ Papa don't take no mess ♪
1318 01:02:35,808 01:02:38,682 - Rock is far more popular than ever before, - Rock is far more popular than ever before,
1319 01:02:38,683 01:02:41,890 but it appears to have much less social impact. but it appears to have much less social impact.
1320 01:02:41,891 01:02:44,391 It is broader than it was ten years ago, It is broader than it was ten years ago,
1321 01:02:44,392 01:02:46,016 making unprecedented use making unprecedented use
1322 01:02:46,017 01:02:48,349 of country, jazz, and straight pop. of country, jazz, and straight pop.
1323 01:02:48,350 01:02:51,765 And yet to my ears, it sounds ever more homogeneous. And yet to my ears, it sounds ever more homogeneous.
1324 01:02:51,766 01:02:53,974 Rock's single biggest lack today Rock's single biggest lack today
1325 01:02:53,975 01:02:56,433 is a failure of imagination. is a failure of imagination.
1326 01:02:56,434 01:02:59,849 - ♪ We're an American band ♪ - ♪ We're an American band ♪
1327 01:02:59,850 01:03:02,266 ♪ We're an American band ♪ ♪ We're an American band ♪
1328 01:03:02,267 01:03:03,724 ♪ Whoo ♪ ♪ Whoo ♪
1329 01:03:03,725 01:03:06,182 ♪ We're an American band ♪ ♪ We're an American band ♪
1330 01:03:06,183 01:03:07,682 ♪ Whoo ♪ ♪ Whoo ♪
1331 01:03:10,350 01:03:12,099 - Tonight there's someone I can write of - Tonight there's someone I can write of
1332 01:03:12,100 01:03:13,640 the way I used to write, the way I used to write,
1333 01:03:13,641 01:03:15,974 without reservation of any kind. without reservation of any kind.
1334 01:03:15,975 01:03:18,349 Last Thursday at the Harvard Square Theater, Last Thursday at the Harvard Square Theater,
1335 01:03:18,350 01:03:22,016 I saw my rock and roll past flash before my eyes. I saw my rock and roll past flash before my eyes.
1336 01:03:22,017 01:03:24,057 - One, two, three, go! - One, two, three, go!
1337 01:03:30,850 01:03:32,391 Break it down! Break it down!
1338 01:03:32,392 01:03:34,224 - And I saw something else. - And I saw something else.
1339 01:03:34,225 01:03:36,391 I saw rock and roll future. I saw rock and roll future.
1340 01:03:36,392 01:03:39,433 And its name is Bruce Springsteen. And its name is Bruce Springsteen.
1341 01:03:39,434 01:03:41,224 - ♪ Teardrops on the city ♪ - ♪ Teardrops on the city ♪
1342 01:03:41,225 01:03:45,057 ♪ Bad Scooter searching for his groove ♪ ♪ Bad Scooter searching for his groove ♪
1343 01:03:46,683 01:03:48,932 ♪ Seem like the whole world's walking pretty ♪ ♪ Seem like the whole world's walking pretty ♪
1344 01:03:48,933 01:03:52,474 ♪ And you can't find the room to move ♪ ♪ And you can't find the room to move ♪
1345 01:03:52,475 01:03:54,640 Clarence! Clarence!
1346 01:03:54,641 01:03:58,224 ♪ Well, everybody better move over, that's all ♪ ♪ Well, everybody better move over, that's all ♪
1347 01:03:58,225 01:04:00,182 ♪ 'Cause I'm running on the bad side ♪ ♪ 'Cause I'm running on the bad side ♪
1348 01:04:00,183 01:04:03,391 ♪ And I got my back to the wall, man ♪ ♪ And I got my back to the wall, man ♪
1349 01:04:03,392 01:04:06,391 - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪ - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1350 01:04:06,392 01:04:10,182 - Hit it! - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪ - Hit it! - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1351 01:04:10,183 01:04:12,558 - ♪ I was stranded out in the jungle ♪ - ♪ I was stranded out in the jungle ♪
1352 01:04:12,559 01:04:15,558 ♪ Taking all the heat that was given ♪ ♪ Taking all the heat that was given ♪
1353 01:04:17,725 01:04:20,224 ♪ Yeah, the night is dark, and the sidewalk's bright ♪ ♪ Yeah, the night is dark, and the sidewalk's bright ♪
1354 01:04:20,225 01:04:23,099 ♪ And lined with the light of the living ♪ ♪ And lined with the light of the living ♪
1355 01:04:25,267 01:04:28,932 ♪ From a tenement window, a transistor blasts ♪ ♪ From a tenement window, a transistor blasts ♪
1356 01:04:28,933 01:04:30,724 ♪ Turn around the corner ♪ ♪ Turn around the corner ♪
1357 01:04:30,725 01:04:32,890 ♪ Things got real quiet real fast ♪ ♪ Things got real quiet real fast ♪
1358 01:04:32,891 01:04:35,182 ♪ I walked into a... ♪ - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪ ♪ I walked into a... ♪ - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪
1359 01:04:35,183 01:04:36,932 - Springsteen does it all. - Springsteen does it all.
1360 01:04:36,933 01:04:39,391 He's a rock and roll punk, Latin street poet, He's a rock and roll punk, Latin street poet,
1361 01:04:39,392 01:04:43,182 a ballet dancer, an actor, a joker, bar bandleader, a ballet dancer, an actor, a joker, bar bandleader,
1362 01:04:43,183 01:04:46,474 hot-shit rhythm guitar player, extraordinary singer, hot-shit rhythm guitar player, extraordinary singer,
1363 01:04:46,475 01:04:49,433 and a truly great rock and roll composer. and a truly great rock and roll composer.
1364 01:04:49,434 01:04:51,433 He leads a band like he's been doing it forever. He leads a band like he's been doing it forever.
1365 01:04:51,434 01:04:53,349 - ♪ I'm talking about a Tenth ♪ - ♪ I'm talking about a Tenth ♪
1366 01:04:53,350 01:04:55,516 - I racked my brains but simply can't think - I racked my brains but simply can't think
1367 01:04:55,517 01:04:59,474 of a white artist who does so many things so superbly. of a white artist who does so many things so superbly.
1368 01:04:59,475 01:05:01,474 - ♪ I'm talking about a Tenth ♪ - ♪ I'm talking about a Tenth ♪
1369 01:05:01,475 01:05:04,474 - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪ - ♪ Freeze-out, whoo ♪ - ♪ Tenth Avenue freeze-out ♪ - ♪ Freeze-out, whoo ♪
1370 01:05:17,309 01:05:19,391 Yeah! Yeah!
1371 01:05:19,392 01:05:21,849 "Rolling Stone" I was very tuned into "Rolling Stone" I was very tuned into
1372 01:05:21,850 01:05:23,640 from probably the first issue, from probably the first issue,
1373 01:05:23,641 01:05:26,433 because that would have come out when I was 17. because that would have come out when I was 17.
1374 01:05:26,434 01:05:29,974 It was like, "Oh, my God, there's other weirdos like me It was like, "Oh, my God, there's other weirdos like me
1375 01:05:29,975 01:05:32,807 "out there that are really taking this stuff "out there that are really taking this stuff
1376 01:05:32,808 01:05:35,308 very seriously." very seriously."
1377 01:05:35,309 01:05:37,308 ♪ A Tenth ♪ ♪ A Tenth ♪
1378 01:05:41,017 01:05:44,182 In '74, we were two records in. In '74, we were two records in.
1379 01:05:44,183 01:05:46,349 I had a three-record deal. I had a three-record deal.
1380 01:05:46,350 01:05:48,433 Two records hadn't done well. Two records hadn't done well.
1381 01:05:48,434 01:05:51,433 Everybody who had hired me had moved on, Everybody who had hired me had moved on,
1382 01:05:51,434 01:05:53,224 out of the record company. out of the record company.
1383 01:05:53,225 01:05:55,682 One, two, three, four... One, two, three, four...
1384 01:05:57,600 01:06:00,682 Our production team was failing at that moment. Our production team was failing at that moment.
1385 01:06:00,683 01:06:03,099 We couldn't record what I knew were good songs. We couldn't record what I knew were good songs.
1386 01:06:03,100 01:06:04,849 We'd already been playing them live. We'd already been playing them live.
1387 01:06:04,850 01:06:06,558 "Jungleland," we already had. "Jungleland," we already had.
1388 01:06:06,559 01:06:08,765 I think we had "Thunder Road," versions of it. I think we had "Thunder Road," versions of it.
1389 01:06:08,766 01:06:12,182 But we were failing to be able to get these down on record. But we were failing to be able to get these down on record.
1390 01:06:12,183 01:06:14,308 So I went back to a night in Boston So I went back to a night in Boston
1391 01:06:14,309 01:06:17,682 when I read one of Jon's reviews. when I read one of Jon's reviews.
1392 01:06:17,683 01:06:20,433 I said, "Okay, there's information here I said, "Okay, there's information here
1393 01:06:20,434 01:06:23,516 "that I'm not getting from the people around me. "that I'm not getting from the people around me.
1394 01:06:23,517 01:06:26,349 "This seems smart. "This seems smart.
1395 01:06:26,350 01:06:28,391 I need to be closer to this guy." I need to be closer to this guy."
1396 01:06:28,392 01:06:31,057 And we started up a friendship. And we started up a friendship.
1397 01:06:31,058 01:06:34,807 - Bruce was just one of those great connections - Bruce was just one of those great connections
1398 01:06:34,808 01:06:37,765 you make in life that there's nothing like it. you make in life that there's nothing like it.
1399 01:06:37,766 01:06:40,765 - ♪ The Rangers had a homecoming ♪ - ♪ The Rangers had a homecoming ♪
1400 01:06:40,766 01:06:42,807 One evening, I brought him into the studio, One evening, I brought him into the studio,
1401 01:06:42,808 01:06:45,391 and he just observed what we were doing. and he just observed what we were doing.
1402 01:06:45,392 01:06:48,849 At the end of the night, we went and had a bite somewhere, At the end of the night, we went and had a bite somewhere,
1403 01:06:48,850 01:06:52,057 and he said, "Well, you know, if there's anything and he said, "Well, you know, if there's anything
1404 01:06:52,058 01:06:54,391 that you think I can do, let me know." that you think I can do, let me know."
1405 01:06:54,392 01:06:56,057 ♪ Sitting on the hood of a Dodge ♪ ♪ Sitting on the hood of a Dodge ♪
1406 01:06:56,058 01:06:58,141 - My strength was in music - My strength was in music
1407 01:06:58,142 01:07:03,433 and some natural ability to edit and arrange. and some natural ability to edit and arrange.
1408 01:07:03,434 01:07:06,682 I think a lot of what I did at "Rolling Stone" prepared me I think a lot of what I did at "Rolling Stone" prepared me
1409 01:07:06,683 01:07:11,932 in odd ways for the work that I wound up doing with Bruce. in odd ways for the work that I wound up doing with Bruce.
1410 01:07:13,933 01:07:17,057 - ♪ Screen door slams ♪ - ♪ Screen door slams ♪
1411 01:07:17,058 01:07:20,932 ♪ Mary's dress waves ♪ ♪ Mary's dress waves ♪
1412 01:07:20,933 01:07:24,849 ♪ Like a vision, she dances across the porch ♪ ♪ Like a vision, she dances across the porch ♪
1413 01:07:24,850 01:07:28,599 ♪ As the radio plays ♪ ♪ As the radio plays ♪
1414 01:07:28,600 01:07:32,266 ♪ Roy Orbison singing for the lonely ♪ ♪ Roy Orbison singing for the lonely ♪
1415 01:07:32,267 01:07:36,266 ♪ Hey, that's me, and I want you only ♪ ♪ Hey, that's me, and I want you only ♪
1416 01:07:36,267 01:07:38,516 ♪ Don't turn me home again ♪ ♪ Don't turn me home again ♪
1417 01:07:38,517 01:07:43,516 ♪ I just can't face myself alone again ♪ ♪ I just can't face myself alone again ♪
1418 01:07:43,517 01:07:47,016 The earliest versions of the material on "Born to Run," The earliest versions of the material on "Born to Run,"
1419 01:07:47,017 01:07:48,765 the arrangement was longer, the arrangement was longer,
1420 01:07:48,766 01:07:51,474 and it went through some rhythm changes and it went through some rhythm changes
1421 01:07:51,475 01:07:54,016 and different musical changes. and different musical changes.
1422 01:07:54,017 01:07:57,558 ♪ There were ghosts in the eyes ♪ ♪ There were ghosts in the eyes ♪
1423 01:07:57,559 01:08:01,640 ♪ Of all the boys you sent away ♪ ♪ Of all the boys you sent away ♪
1424 01:08:01,641 01:08:04,266 ♪ They haunt this dusty beach road ♪ ♪ They haunt this dusty beach road ♪
1425 01:08:04,267 01:08:09,599 ♪ In the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets ♪ ♪ In the skeleton frames of burned-out Chevrolets ♪
1426 01:08:09,600 01:08:12,974 ♪ They scream your name at night in the street ♪ ♪ They scream your name at night in the street ♪
1427 01:08:12,975 01:08:17,141 ♪ Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet ♪ ♪ Your graduation gown lies in rags at their feet ♪
1428 01:08:17,142 01:08:18,974 One of the things that Jon did One of the things that Jon did
1429 01:08:18,975 01:08:20,807 was he was an editor. was he was an editor.
1430 01:08:20,808 01:08:24,849 And we were looking for a more streamlined sound And we were looking for a more streamlined sound
1431 01:08:24,850 01:08:27,724 that felt like a direct punch to the gut, that felt like a direct punch to the gut,
1432 01:08:27,725 01:08:29,391 to take what I was doing to take what I was doing
1433 01:08:29,392 01:08:33,391 and melt it down into this powerful engine. and melt it down into this powerful engine.
1434 01:08:33,392 01:08:36,182 ♪ Climb in ♪ ♪ Climb in ♪
1435 01:08:36,183 01:08:38,182 ♪ It's a town full of losers ♪ ♪ It's a town full of losers ♪
1436 01:08:38,183 01:08:41,849 ♪ I'm pulling out of here to win ♪ ♪ I'm pulling out of here to win ♪
1437 01:08:56,975 01:09:00,099 - I got the job producing - I got the job producing
1438 01:09:00,100 01:09:03,474 what became Bruce's breakthrough album, what became Bruce's breakthrough album,
1439 01:09:03,475 01:09:06,349 "Born to Run." "Born to Run."
1440 01:09:06,350 01:09:10,724 And I realized that that's what I wanted to be now, And I realized that that's what I wanted to be now,
1441 01:09:10,725 01:09:12,890 a record producer. a record producer.
1442 01:09:12,891 01:09:16,558 It was time to let go of the magazine. It was time to let go of the magazine.
1443 01:09:23,350 01:09:27,849 - There was a generation that started the magazine - There was a generation that started the magazine
1444 01:09:27,850 01:09:31,724 but had grown a little bit away but had grown a little bit away
1445 01:09:31,725 01:09:34,974 from what it had become-- what rock had become. from what it had become-- what rock had become.
1446 01:09:50,933 01:09:53,974 - By the mid '70s, there were all these other bands. - By the mid '70s, there were all these other bands.
1447 01:09:53,975 01:09:57,516 You know, who wants to write about Deep Purple? You know, who wants to write about Deep Purple?
1448 01:09:57,517 01:09:58,932 And I would be like, And I would be like,
1449 01:09:58,933 01:10:00,765 "I will write about Deep Purple. "I will write about Deep Purple.
1450 01:10:00,766 01:10:05,099 "In fact, I will spend weeks writing about Deep Purple. "In fact, I will spend weeks writing about Deep Purple.
1451 01:10:05,100 01:10:08,224 I will--I will be your Deep Purple man." I will--I will be your Deep Purple man."
1452 01:10:08,225 01:10:13,266 - ♪ Smoke on the water ♪ - ♪ Smoke on the water ♪
1453 01:10:13,267 01:10:16,932 ♪ Fire in the sky ♪ ♪ Fire in the sky ♪
1454 01:10:16,933 01:10:18,724 ♪ Smoke on the water ♪ ♪ Smoke on the water ♪
1455 01:10:18,725 01:10:20,474 - I was the guy that they liked to say - I was the guy that they liked to say
1456 01:10:20,475 01:10:22,099 took out the garbage. took out the garbage.
1457 01:10:22,100 01:10:23,849 To them, it was the garbage, you know. To them, it was the garbage, you know.
1458 01:10:23,850 01:10:25,433 For me, it was heaven. For me, it was heaven.
1459 01:10:34,641 01:10:36,849 To ask Jethro Tull about the flute To ask Jethro Tull about the flute
1460 01:10:36,850 01:10:39,807 and Ritchie Blackmore about his guitar sound... and Ritchie Blackmore about his guitar sound...
1461 01:10:42,350 01:10:46,349 That was me, and I was so happy to do that. That was me, and I was so happy to do that.
1462 01:10:46,350 01:10:48,974 - ♪ Gonna lose my way tomorrow ♪ - ♪ Gonna lose my way tomorrow ♪
1463 01:10:48,975 01:10:51,433 ♪ Gonna give away my car ♪ ♪ Gonna give away my car ♪
1464 01:10:51,434 01:10:53,974 ♪ I'd take you along with me ♪ ♪ I'd take you along with me ♪
1465 01:10:53,975 01:10:56,474 ♪ But you would not go so far ♪ ♪ But you would not go so far ♪
1466 01:10:56,475 01:10:59,266 ♪ Don't see what I do not want to see ♪ ♪ Don't see what I do not want to see ♪
1467 01:10:59,267 01:11:01,849 ♪ You don't hear what I don't say ♪ ♪ You don't hear what I don't say ♪
1468 01:11:01,850 01:11:03,682 ♪ Won't be what I don't want to be ♪ ♪ Won't be what I don't want to be ♪
1469 01:11:03,683 01:11:07,266 - I always felt, because I was a freelancer, - I always felt, because I was a freelancer,
1470 01:11:07,267 01:11:09,141 bands that had a problem with "Rolling Stone" bands that had a problem with "Rolling Stone"
1471 01:11:09,142 01:11:12,016 for one reason or another, I could always say, for one reason or another, I could always say,
1472 01:11:12,017 01:11:17,016 "Well, I work for them, but I'm not the magazine." "Well, I work for them, but I'm not the magazine."
1473 01:11:17,017 01:11:19,849 One of the bands that really had a problem One of the bands that really had a problem
1474 01:11:19,850 01:11:21,807 with "Rolling Stone" was Led Zeppelin. with "Rolling Stone" was Led Zeppelin.
1475 01:11:21,808 01:11:26,807 - ♪ Oh, I ♪ - ♪ Oh, I ♪
1476 01:11:26,808 01:11:30,224 ♪ I can't quit you ♪ ♪ I can't quit you ♪
1477 01:11:30,225 01:11:32,849 ♪ Baby ♪ ♪ Baby ♪
1478 01:11:35,392 01:11:40,807 ♪ And I think I'm gonna put you down ♪ ♪ And I think I'm gonna put you down ♪
1479 01:11:40,808 01:11:43,807 ♪ For a little while ♪ ♪ For a little while ♪
1480 01:11:43,808 01:11:48,391 - Their first album was trashed. - Their first album was trashed.
1481 01:11:48,392 01:11:51,433 - ♪ I can't quit you, baby ♪ - ♪ I can't quit you, baby ♪
1482 01:11:51,434 01:11:53,849 - As they started to become huge, - As they started to become huge,
1483 01:11:53,850 01:11:57,474 they did not want to give "Rolling Stone" coverage. they did not want to give "Rolling Stone" coverage.
1484 01:11:57,475 01:12:02,724 So my job was to talk them into "Rolling Stone." So my job was to talk them into "Rolling Stone."
1485 01:12:02,725 01:12:04,890 It took three weeks. It took three weeks.
1486 01:12:06,725 01:12:08,516 - Although Led Zeppelin has managed - Although Led Zeppelin has managed
1487 01:12:08,517 01:12:10,433 to sell more than a million units apiece to sell more than a million units apiece
1488 01:12:10,434 01:12:13,016 on all five of its albums and is currently working on all five of its albums and is currently working
1489 01:12:13,017 01:12:14,807 a U.S. tour expected to be a U.S. tour expected to be
1490 01:12:14,808 01:12:17,974 the largest-grossing undertaking in rock history, the largest-grossing undertaking in rock history,
1491 01:12:17,975 01:12:20,558 the band has been continually kicked, the band has been continually kicked,
1492 01:12:20,559 01:12:23,682 shoved, pummeled, and kneed in the groin shoved, pummeled, and kneed in the groin
1493 01:12:23,683 01:12:25,724 by critics of all stripes. by critics of all stripes.
1494 01:12:25,725 01:12:28,807 - I really put my heart into this piece - I really put my heart into this piece
1495 01:12:28,808 01:12:30,974 on Led Zeppelin. on Led Zeppelin.
1496 01:12:30,975 01:12:34,640 And I sent it in, and I was expecting the call, And I sent it in, and I was expecting the call,
1497 01:12:34,641 01:12:36,724 "Way to go!" "Way to go!"
1498 01:12:39,267 01:12:41,724 The call I got was from Ben Fong-Torres, The call I got was from Ben Fong-Torres,
1499 01:12:41,725 01:12:43,724 saying, "Jann wants to see you." saying, "Jann wants to see you."
1500 01:12:43,725 01:12:45,516 And I was like, "Well, this is great!" And I was like, "Well, this is great!"
1501 01:12:45,517 01:12:47,640 And he's like, "Come up to San Francisco. And he's like, "Come up to San Francisco.
1502 01:12:47,641 01:12:50,182 "I'll pick you up and take you to the 'Rolling Stone' office. "I'll pick you up and take you to the 'Rolling Stone' office.
1503 01:12:50,183 01:12:54,057 And you should know this is a very bad day." And you should know this is a very bad day."
1504 01:13:01,933 01:13:06,474 "Ralph J. Gleason, Jann's mentor, died, "Ralph J. Gleason, Jann's mentor, died,
1505 01:13:06,475 01:13:08,182 and he's very upset." and he's very upset."
1506 01:13:11,434 01:13:13,266 I go in there, and they say, I go in there, and they say,
1507 01:13:13,267 01:13:16,224 "Jann, the kid from the Led Zeppelin story is here." "Jann, the kid from the Led Zeppelin story is here."
1508 01:13:16,225 01:13:19,016 And he says, "Bring him in." And he says, "Bring him in."
1509 01:13:19,017 01:13:23,057 - That was a very tough, moving day for me. - That was a very tough, moving day for me.
1510 01:13:23,058 01:13:27,016 And into all that walked young Cameron. And into all that walked young Cameron.
1511 01:13:27,017 01:13:29,849 - There in the corner is Jann - There in the corner is Jann
1512 01:13:29,850 01:13:32,599 with a half-finished bottle of vodka with a half-finished bottle of vodka
1513 01:13:32,600 01:13:36,765 sitting in front of him, and he's been crying. sitting in front of him, and he's been crying.
1514 01:13:36,766 01:13:38,849 And he said, "I want to tell you And he said, "I want to tell you
1515 01:13:38,850 01:13:40,474 about your Led Zeppelin story." about your Led Zeppelin story."
1516 01:13:40,475 01:13:42,224 He goes, "Thank you. He goes, "Thank you.
1517 01:13:42,225 01:13:46,474 We're gonna run it, but you failed." We're gonna run it, but you failed."
1518 01:13:46,475 01:13:48,849 And I said, And I said,
1519 01:13:48,850 01:13:50,474 "How did I fail?" "How did I fail?"
1520 01:13:50,475 01:13:52,308 - You know, for a 16-year-old kid, - You know, for a 16-year-old kid,
1521 01:13:52,309 01:13:54,599 it was a great story, but for a professional journalist, it was a great story, but for a professional journalist,
1522 01:13:54,600 01:13:56,474 he was way soft on the characters he was way soft on the characters
1523 01:13:56,475 01:13:57,932 he was writing about, he was writing about,
1524 01:13:57,933 01:13:59,349 the people he was writing about. the people he was writing about.
1525 01:13:59,350 01:14:00,974 Not that we wanted to be harsh, Not that we wanted to be harsh,
1526 01:14:00,975 01:14:02,890 but you had to have a little more but you had to have a little more
1527 01:14:02,891 01:14:06,765 of a worldly view of it than just a fan's view of it. of a worldly view of it than just a fan's view of it.
1528 01:14:06,766 01:14:08,599 - And he said, - And he said,
1529 01:14:08,600 01:14:11,516 "You wrote what they wanted you to write. "You wrote what they wanted you to write.
1530 01:14:11,517 01:14:13,849 "There's nothing in that story "There's nothing in that story
1531 01:14:13,850 01:14:16,640 "that was you getting to the heart "that was you getting to the heart
1532 01:14:16,641 01:14:20,057 "of what the real scene was, what it felt like, "of what the real scene was, what it felt like,
1533 01:14:20,058 01:14:25,433 "what it smelled like, what they meant at this time "what it smelled like, what they meant at this time
1534 01:14:25,434 01:14:29,099 "in history for people to read years from now. "in history for people to read years from now.
1535 01:14:29,100 01:14:31,057 "You don't have that. "You don't have that.
1536 01:14:31,058 01:14:33,682 "You have them talking about themselves. "You have them talking about themselves.
1537 01:14:33,683 01:14:37,849 Nice stuff, but it's not the stuff." Nice stuff, but it's not the stuff."
1538 01:14:37,850 01:14:39,890 And then he said, "Wait right here." And then he said, "Wait right here."
1539 01:14:39,891 01:14:44,433 And he went to the back room and came out with this-- And he went to the back room and came out with this--
1540 01:14:44,434 01:14:47,224 Joan Didion's "Slouching Towards Bethlehem." Joan Didion's "Slouching Towards Bethlehem."
1541 01:14:47,225 01:14:51,057 He said, "If you're really serious about this He said, "If you're really serious about this
1542 01:14:51,058 01:14:54,308 "and you want to be a writer, not a reviewer, "and you want to be a writer, not a reviewer,
1543 01:14:54,309 01:14:57,016 "not a critic, not a guy who loves music "not a critic, not a guy who loves music
1544 01:14:57,017 01:14:59,724 "and is writing about how much he loves music, "and is writing about how much he loves music,
1545 01:14:59,725 01:15:01,474 "you will study Joan Didion. "you will study Joan Didion.
1546 01:15:01,475 01:15:03,890 "You will study her profile of Jim Morrison. "You will study her profile of Jim Morrison.
1547 01:15:03,891 01:15:06,057 This is my copy. Take it." This is my copy. Take it."
1548 01:15:06,058 01:15:10,266 And that was my experience with Jann Wenner. And that was my experience with Jann Wenner.
1549 01:15:10,267 01:15:11,932 Never forgot it. Never forgot it.
1550 01:15:11,933 01:15:14,224 Jann could have easily said, Jann could have easily said,
1551 01:15:14,225 01:15:17,807 "Run the fucking story. Who gives a shit?" "Run the fucking story. Who gives a shit?"
1552 01:15:17,808 01:15:19,807 But he didn't. But he didn't.
1553 01:15:19,808 01:15:23,267 He was like, "Bring him in." He was like, "Bring him in."
1554 01:15:24,309 01:15:28,016 That's a real editor and a publisher. That's a real editor and a publisher.
1555 01:15:52,600 01:15:57,016 - I had read that your family was affluent but eccentric. - I had read that your family was affluent but eccentric.
1556 01:15:57,017 01:15:58,682 Would you describe them that way? Would you describe them that way?
1557 01:15:58,683 01:16:00,765 - My father was a businessman, you know, - My father was a businessman, you know,
1558 01:16:00,766 01:16:03,433 entrepreneur, started his own business with my mother. entrepreneur, started his own business with my mother.
1559 01:16:03,434 01:16:05,182 My mother left that business. My mother left that business.
1560 01:16:05,183 01:16:07,182 She became a writer, and she wrote several books. She became a writer, and she wrote several books.
1561 01:16:07,183 01:16:09,558 I suppose you could call that sort of eccentric at the time. I suppose you could call that sort of eccentric at the time.
1562 01:16:09,559 01:16:11,474 But, you know, not terribly. But, you know, not terribly.
1563 01:16:11,475 01:16:13,849 - Do you remember having heroes as a child? - Do you remember having heroes as a child?
1564 01:16:13,850 01:16:15,558 - My parents were heavily involved - My parents were heavily involved
1565 01:16:15,559 01:16:18,308 in Democratic politics, and soon thereafter my heroes in Democratic politics, and soon thereafter my heroes
1566 01:16:18,309 01:16:19,932 were people like Adlai Stevenson were people like Adlai Stevenson
1567 01:16:19,933 01:16:21,308 and Estes Kefauver. and Estes Kefauver.
1568 01:16:21,309 01:16:22,932 - That's where you got your political-- - That's where you got your political--
1569 01:16:22,933 01:16:24,349 - Yeah, from my parents. - Yeah, from my parents.
1570 01:16:24,350 01:16:26,308 - What did you get from each parent? - What did you get from each parent?
1571 01:16:26,309 01:16:27,974 - I guess I got my-- - I guess I got my--
1572 01:16:27,975 01:16:30,974 some of my business ability from my father. some of my business ability from my father.
1573 01:16:30,975 01:16:33,640 And my mother taught me actually how to edit And my mother taught me actually how to edit
1574 01:16:33,641 01:16:35,349 when I was young, you know, when I was young, you know,
1575 01:16:35,350 01:16:39,974 what to look for in writing and, um, you know, what to look for in writing and, um, you know,
1576 01:16:39,975 01:16:42,641 some taste and some style and that kind of thing. some taste and some style and that kind of thing.
1577 01:16:43,975 01:16:46,516 My mom actually got me my first job My mom actually got me my first job
1578 01:16:46,517 01:16:48,724 at the local NBC radio station, at the local NBC radio station,
1579 01:16:48,725 01:16:50,349 writing traffic reports. writing traffic reports.
1580 01:16:50,350 01:16:52,765 I would sit in a little isolated room, I would sit in a little isolated room,
1581 01:16:52,766 01:16:54,682 listening to police radios listening to police radios
1582 01:16:54,683 01:16:57,016 about car accidents and freeway tie-ups about car accidents and freeway tie-ups
1583 01:16:57,017 01:16:58,724 and write it up in a little summary and write it up in a little summary
1584 01:16:58,725 01:17:00,724 and run and hand it to the disc jockey. and run and hand it to the disc jockey.
1585 01:17:00,725 01:17:03,516 That evolved into kind of a stringer position That evolved into kind of a stringer position
1586 01:17:03,517 01:17:05,474 at University of California at Berkeley campus, at University of California at Berkeley campus,
1587 01:17:05,475 01:17:07,266 when I was in college. when I was in college.
1588 01:17:09,517 01:17:13,682 - ♪ You know this world's just one big trouble spot ♪ - ♪ You know this world's just one big trouble spot ♪
1589 01:17:13,683 01:17:17,974 ♪ 'Cause some have plenty and some have not ♪ ♪ 'Cause some have plenty and some have not ♪
1590 01:17:17,975 01:17:20,266 ♪ You know, I used to be trouble ♪ ♪ You know, I used to be trouble ♪
1591 01:17:20,267 01:17:23,182 ♪ But I finally saw the light ♪ ♪ But I finally saw the light ♪
1592 01:17:26,392 01:17:28,640 ♪ Now I don't worry about a thing ♪ ♪ Now I don't worry about a thing ♪
1593 01:17:28,641 01:17:33,724 ♪ 'Cause I know nothing's going to be all right ♪ ♪ 'Cause I know nothing's going to be all right ♪
1594 01:17:33,725 01:17:36,640 - I came to Berkeley in '63, - I came to Berkeley in '63,
1595 01:17:36,641 01:17:39,057 in the fall of '63, in the fall of '63,
1596 01:17:39,058 01:17:43,890 and met Jann early in '64. and met Jann early in '64.
1597 01:17:43,891 01:17:47,516 I went up to Jann's apartment in the hills, I went up to Jann's apartment in the hills,
1598 01:17:47,517 01:17:50,765 and, you know, this was a real experience for me. and, you know, this was a real experience for me.
1599 01:17:50,766 01:17:52,849 I hadn't met anybody who had I hadn't met anybody who had
1600 01:17:52,850 01:17:55,182 their own apartment as a freshman. their own apartment as a freshman.
1601 01:17:55,183 01:17:58,391 That was very unusual. That was very unusual.
1602 01:17:58,392 01:18:02,182 And he had a Mose Allison record playing, And he had a Mose Allison record playing,
1603 01:18:02,183 01:18:04,558 which was, you know, super hip, which was, you know, super hip,
1604 01:18:04,559 01:18:07,433 and he had the "Chronicle" and he had the "Chronicle"
1605 01:18:07,434 01:18:10,974 double-page spread of all the debutantes. double-page spread of all the debutantes.
1606 01:18:12,808 01:18:14,932 I had also never encountered anybody I had also never encountered anybody
1607 01:18:14,933 01:18:17,141 who was in part of that world, who was in part of that world,
1608 01:18:17,142 01:18:19,182 and I was a little taken aback and I was a little taken aback
1609 01:18:19,183 01:18:22,599 by the combination of the hipster by the combination of the hipster
1610 01:18:22,600 01:18:25,558 and the society wannabe. and the society wannabe.
1611 01:18:25,559 01:18:27,349 But I liked him. But I liked him.
1612 01:18:27,350 01:18:29,640 I mean, he was just full of personality. I mean, he was just full of personality.
1613 01:18:29,641 01:18:31,266 - ♪ Things will get worse ♪ - ♪ Things will get worse ♪
1614 01:18:31,267 01:18:33,266 ♪ Before they get any better ♪ ♪ Before they get any better ♪
1615 01:18:33,267 01:18:35,599 - The free speech movement was my sophomore year - The free speech movement was my sophomore year
1616 01:18:35,600 01:18:37,558 and Jann's sophomore year. and Jann's sophomore year.
1617 01:18:37,559 01:18:39,599 - I've got the light of freedom! - I've got the light of freedom!
1618 01:18:39,600 01:18:43,016 - I had been a part of campus radical community. - I had been a part of campus radical community.
1619 01:18:43,017 01:18:45,349 I mean, I had joined an organization I mean, I had joined an organization
1620 01:18:45,350 01:18:47,765 which sponsored campus demonstrations. which sponsored campus demonstrations.
1621 01:18:49,100 01:18:53,599 - We're asking that there be no-- - We're asking that there be no--
1622 01:18:53,600 01:18:56,474 no restrictions on the content of speech, no restrictions on the content of speech,
1623 01:18:56,475 01:18:59,640 save those provided by the courts, save those provided by the courts,
1624 01:18:59,641 01:19:02,807 and that's--that's an enormous amount of freedom. and that's--that's an enormous amount of freedom.
1625 01:19:04,392 01:19:07,724 - The university banned advocacy on campus, - The university banned advocacy on campus,
1626 01:19:07,725 01:19:10,974 and immediately as that was happening, and immediately as that was happening,
1627 01:19:10,975 01:19:13,308 a student strike was being organized a student strike was being organized
1628 01:19:13,309 01:19:14,974 to shut the campus down. to shut the campus down.
1629 01:19:14,975 01:19:16,765 And the campus was shut down. And the campus was shut down.
1630 01:19:16,766 01:19:19,182 There essentially were no classes taking place, There essentially were no classes taking place,
1631 01:19:19,183 01:19:23,057 and many professors were refusing to teach. and many professors were refusing to teach.
1632 01:19:23,058 01:19:25,932 The university, it just floundered. The university, it just floundered.
1633 01:19:25,933 01:19:28,724 They didn't know what the hell to do. They didn't know what the hell to do.
1634 01:19:28,725 01:19:31,016 - The departmental chairmen believe that the acts - The departmental chairmen believe that the acts
1635 01:19:31,017 01:19:33,224 of civil disobedience on December 2nd and 3rd of civil disobedience on December 2nd and 3rd
1636 01:19:33,225 01:19:36,349 were unwarranted and that they obstruct rational were unwarranted and that they obstruct rational
1637 01:19:36,350 01:19:38,682 and fair consideration. and fair consideration.
1638 01:19:42,517 01:19:44,724 - Mario Savio was standing at the side - Mario Savio was standing at the side
1639 01:19:44,725 01:19:48,266 of the stage with some papers in his hand. of the stage with some papers in his hand.
1640 01:19:48,267 01:19:51,516 And suddenly, you know, snapped out of it. And suddenly, you know, snapped out of it.
1641 01:19:51,517 01:19:54,391 I think, "Oh, my God. What's he doing there?" I think, "Oh, my God. What's he doing there?"
1642 01:19:54,392 01:19:57,640 And so he walks very deliberately And so he walks very deliberately
1643 01:19:57,641 01:19:59,308 toward the podium, toward the podium,
1644 01:19:59,309 01:20:01,849 and he puts his papers down. and he puts his papers down.
1645 01:20:01,850 01:20:05,516 And suddenly a sheriff comes running up behind him And suddenly a sheriff comes running up behind him
1646 01:20:05,517 01:20:07,599 and grabs him around the neck. and grabs him around the neck.
1647 01:20:07,600 01:20:11,266 - When the operation of the machine becomes so odious, - When the operation of the machine becomes so odious,
1648 01:20:11,267 01:20:13,640 you've got to put your bodies upon the gears you've got to put your bodies upon the gears
1649 01:20:13,641 01:20:16,516 and upon the wheels, and you've got to make it stop. and upon the wheels, and you've got to make it stop.
1650 01:20:18,017 01:20:19,765 - The shout that went up from the crowd, - The shout that went up from the crowd,
1651 01:20:19,766 01:20:21,890 and the shock of that moment and the shock of that moment
1652 01:20:21,891 01:20:24,807 is one of the formative experiences is one of the formative experiences
1653 01:20:24,808 01:20:28,182 of my life and I'm sure Jann's. of my life and I'm sure Jann's.
1654 01:20:28,183 01:20:31,224 But he's also a reporter at that event. But he's also a reporter at that event.
1655 01:20:31,225 01:20:33,016 He's got to file a story, He's got to file a story,
1656 01:20:33,017 01:20:37,640 and lo and behold, there's a great story. and lo and behold, there's a great story.
1657 01:20:37,641 01:20:39,807 - When this free speech movement starts, - When this free speech movement starts,
1658 01:20:39,808 01:20:42,308 all of a sudden, I found myself kind of all of a sudden, I found myself kind of
1659 01:20:42,309 01:20:44,640 really dealing both sides of it, you know. really dealing both sides of it, you know.
1660 01:20:44,641 01:20:47,765 I'm carrying information to the protest leaders, I'm carrying information to the protest leaders,
1661 01:20:47,766 01:20:50,308 then running outside and doing the coverage. then running outside and doing the coverage.
1662 01:20:50,309 01:20:51,974 - Please listen! - Please listen!
1663 01:20:51,975 01:20:54,141 - We saw no contradiction in that era - We saw no contradiction in that era
1664 01:20:54,142 01:20:56,516 to be a journalist and an activist. to be a journalist and an activist.
1665 01:20:56,517 01:20:59,558 All the leading campuses saw a transformation All the leading campuses saw a transformation
1666 01:20:59,559 01:21:02,932 of the student body into large groups of activists. of the student body into large groups of activists.
1667 01:21:02,933 01:21:05,890 And around the edges of our protests, And around the edges of our protests,
1668 01:21:05,891 01:21:07,765 violence started breaking out. violence started breaking out.
1669 01:21:07,766 01:21:11,182 These were smaller groups of extreme activists These were smaller groups of extreme activists
1670 01:21:11,183 01:21:15,057 who wanted to foment violence by throwing bottles, who wanted to foment violence by throwing bottles,
1671 01:21:15,058 01:21:19,182 breaking windows, getting the police agitated breaking windows, getting the police agitated
1672 01:21:19,183 01:21:22,141 so they would beat up the protesters. so they would beat up the protesters.
1673 01:21:24,600 01:21:26,433 And the Civil Rights Movement And the Civil Rights Movement
1674 01:21:26,434 01:21:29,474 had morphed into the Black Power Movement, had morphed into the Black Power Movement,
1675 01:21:29,475 01:21:31,474 and you had the Black Panthers. and you had the Black Panthers.
1676 01:21:31,475 01:21:33,890 Here was a group that stood up to the cops, Here was a group that stood up to the cops,
1677 01:21:33,891 01:21:36,807 carried guns, monitored traffic stops. carried guns, monitored traffic stops.
1678 01:21:36,808 01:21:39,765 This inspired my generation This inspired my generation
1679 01:21:39,766 01:21:42,640 that was becoming increasingly revolutionary in nature. that was becoming increasingly revolutionary in nature.
1680 01:21:42,641 01:21:44,224 Off the pigs! Off the pigs!
1681 01:21:44,225 01:21:45,807 ♪ Revolution has come ♪ ♪ Revolution has come ♪
1682 01:21:45,808 01:21:47,141 Freedom now! Freedom now!
1683 01:21:47,142 01:21:48,974 - So you had all these forces - So you had all these forces
1684 01:21:48,975 01:21:51,224 sort of coursing through society. sort of coursing through society.
1685 01:21:51,225 01:21:55,558 You had factions breaking off this way and that way. You had factions breaking off this way and that way.
1686 01:21:55,559 01:21:58,141 And the organizations that were holding together And the organizations that were holding together
1687 01:21:58,142 01:22:01,640 the protest movements started to fall apart. the protest movements started to fall apart.
1688 01:22:01,641 01:22:04,016 And by the time you got to 1974 And by the time you got to 1974
1689 01:22:04,017 01:22:06,182 when Patty Hearst was kidnapped, when Patty Hearst was kidnapped,
1690 01:22:06,183 01:22:08,641 a great paranoia set in. a great paranoia set in.
1691 01:22:11,475 01:22:13,599 - Patty Hearst and Steve Weed were home - Patty Hearst and Steve Weed were home
1692 01:22:13,600 01:22:15,724 in their Berkeley apartment on the foggy night in their Berkeley apartment on the foggy night
1693 01:22:15,725 01:22:18,640 of February 4, 1974. of February 4, 1974.
1694 01:22:18,641 01:22:20,640 The young couple lived together in something The young couple lived together in something
1695 01:22:20,641 01:22:22,182 that used to be called "sin" that used to be called "sin"
1696 01:22:22,183 01:22:24,640 and smoked an occasional joint. and smoked an occasional joint.
1697 01:22:24,641 01:22:27,724 Donald DeFreeze, Willie Wolf, and Nancy Ling Perry Donald DeFreeze, Willie Wolf, and Nancy Ling Perry
1698 01:22:27,725 01:22:30,807 moved silently to apartment number four. moved silently to apartment number four.
1699 01:22:30,808 01:22:34,016 They burst in, brandishing guns, grabbed Patty, They burst in, brandishing guns, grabbed Patty,
1700 01:22:34,017 01:22:38,682 and carried her kicking and screaming to the waiting car. and carried her kicking and screaming to the waiting car.
1701 01:22:38,683 01:22:41,474 They shoved her into the trunk. They shoved her into the trunk.
1702 01:22:41,475 01:22:43,516 Patty was scared and half naked, Patty was scared and half naked,
1703 01:22:43,517 01:22:47,141 but she stared hard-eyed at her kidnappers. but she stared hard-eyed at her kidnappers.
1704 01:22:47,142 01:22:50,558 - Greetings, fellow comrades, brothers, and sisters. - Greetings, fellow comrades, brothers, and sisters.
1705 01:22:50,559 01:22:52,349 My name is Cinque. My name is Cinque.
1706 01:22:52,350 01:22:53,890 I am a black man I am a black man
1707 01:22:53,891 01:22:56,682 and a representative of black people. and a representative of black people.
1708 01:22:56,683 01:22:59,016 - To some, Cinque was an unimpressive thug - To some, Cinque was an unimpressive thug
1709 01:22:59,017 01:23:01,724 who had once robbed a prostitute of $10. who had once robbed a prostitute of $10.
1710 01:23:01,725 01:23:04,599 - I hold the rank of General Field Marshal - I hold the rank of General Field Marshal
1711 01:23:04,600 01:23:06,640 in the United Federated Forces in the United Federated Forces
1712 01:23:06,641 01:23:08,890 of the Symbionese Liberation Army. of the Symbionese Liberation Army.
1713 01:23:08,891 01:23:12,349 Our unified purpose is to liberate the oppressed peoples Our unified purpose is to liberate the oppressed peoples
1714 01:23:12,350 01:23:14,266 of this nation. of this nation.
1715 01:23:14,267 01:23:18,433 Let the voice of their guns express the words of freedom. Let the voice of their guns express the words of freedom.
1716 01:23:18,434 01:23:20,890 - To the nascent Symbionese Liberation Army - To the nascent Symbionese Liberation Army
1717 01:23:20,891 01:23:23,724 of four white men and five white women, of four white men and five white women,
1718 01:23:23,725 01:23:27,057 Cinque was a charismatic prophet whose talk of killing Cinque was a charismatic prophet whose talk of killing
1719 01:23:27,058 01:23:29,682 and kidnapping somehow made sense. and kidnapping somehow made sense.
1720 01:23:29,683 01:23:32,974 - I am ordered to convey the following message - I am ordered to convey the following message
1721 01:23:32,975 01:23:34,932 in behalf of the SLA in behalf of the SLA
1722 01:23:34,933 01:23:38,682 that Patricia Campbell Hearst is alive and safe. that Patricia Campbell Hearst is alive and safe.
1723 01:23:38,683 01:23:40,349 - Patty was kept blindfolded - Patty was kept blindfolded
1724 01:23:40,350 01:23:42,141 in a stuffy closet-sized room in a stuffy closet-sized room
1725 01:23:42,142 01:23:44,682 with a bare lightbulb and a portable cot. with a bare lightbulb and a portable cot.
1726 01:23:44,683 01:23:46,932 There were no windows, and it was hot. There were no windows, and it was hot.
1727 01:23:46,933 01:23:50,599 She lost track of time and didn't feel like eating. She lost track of time and didn't feel like eating.
1728 01:23:50,600 01:23:53,141 Cinque kept up a constant intimidation. Cinque kept up a constant intimidation.
1729 01:23:53,142 01:23:54,849 He berated her and her family He berated her and her family
1730 01:23:54,850 01:23:56,682 for being part of the ruling class for being part of the ruling class
1731 01:23:56,683 01:23:59,016 that was sucking blood from the common people. that was sucking blood from the common people.
1732 01:23:59,017 01:24:02,308 Patty was shown a long list of the Hearst family holdings: Patty was shown a long list of the Hearst family holdings:
1733 01:24:02,309 01:24:04,932 nine newspapers, thirteen magazines, nine newspapers, thirteen magazines,
1734 01:24:04,933 01:24:06,849 four TV and radio stations, four TV and radio stations,
1735 01:24:06,850 01:24:10,682 a silver mine, a paper mill, and prime real estate. a silver mine, a paper mill, and prime real estate.
1736 01:24:10,683 01:24:12,308 - At that time, - At that time,
1737 01:24:12,309 01:24:15,099 the Hearst name was well known to everybody the Hearst name was well known to everybody
1738 01:24:15,100 01:24:18,016 because the family had a lot of money. because the family had a lot of money.
1739 01:24:18,017 01:24:22,266 Patty Hearst's grandparent, William Randolph Hearst, Patty Hearst's grandparent, William Randolph Hearst,
1740 01:24:22,267 01:24:24,890 had started a newspaper empire. had started a newspaper empire.
1741 01:24:24,891 01:24:27,099 Books had been written about him. Books had been written about him.
1742 01:24:27,100 01:24:29,016 There's a movie based on him. There's a movie based on him.
1743 01:24:29,017 01:24:32,516 It's one of the most famous movies ever. It's one of the most famous movies ever.
1744 01:24:32,517 01:24:36,807 - I made no campaign promises, - I made no campaign promises,
1745 01:24:36,808 01:24:39,682 because until a few weeks ago, because until a few weeks ago,
1746 01:24:39,683 01:24:41,724 I had no hope of being elected. I had no hope of being elected.
1747 01:24:43,225 01:24:46,141 - So, when the SLA kidnapped Patty, - So, when the SLA kidnapped Patty,
1748 01:24:46,142 01:24:49,308 the newspaper heiress, they could not have found the newspaper heiress, they could not have found
1749 01:24:49,309 01:24:52,308 a more dramatic person to kidnap a more dramatic person to kidnap
1750 01:24:52,309 01:24:55,308 unless you kidnapped the President's daughter. unless you kidnapped the President's daughter.
1751 01:24:58,392 01:25:02,724 - Mom, Dad, I'm okay. - Mom, Dad, I'm okay.
1752 01:25:02,725 01:25:07,057 I'm with a combat unit I'm with a combat unit
1753 01:25:07,058 01:25:11,474 that's armed with automatic weapons. that's armed with automatic weapons.
1754 01:25:11,475 01:25:14,016 They're perfectly willing to die They're perfectly willing to die
1755 01:25:14,017 01:25:17,099 for what they are doing, for what they are doing,
1756 01:25:17,100 01:25:19,308 and... and...
1757 01:25:19,309 01:25:23,099 I just hope that you'll do what they say, Dad, I just hope that you'll do what they say, Dad,
1758 01:25:23,100 01:25:25,932 and just do it quickly. and just do it quickly.
1759 01:25:25,933 01:25:31,141 I'm not being forced to say any of this. I'm not being forced to say any of this.
1760 01:25:31,142 01:25:32,890 - We love you, Patty. - We love you, Patty.
1761 01:25:32,891 01:25:37,016 I'm sorry I'm crying, but I'm happy you're safe. I'm sorry I'm crying, but I'm happy you're safe.
1762 01:25:37,017 01:25:38,724 And be strong. And be strong.
1763 01:25:38,725 01:25:41,016 I know God will bring you back. I know God will bring you back.
1764 01:25:41,017 01:25:42,890 - I believe she's safe. - I believe she's safe.
1765 01:25:42,891 01:25:47,057 I believe that they are taking good care of her. I believe that they are taking good care of her.
1766 01:25:47,058 01:25:49,599 And I believe these people are sincere. And I believe these people are sincere.
1767 01:25:51,058 01:25:53,016 - Patty feared Cinque. - Patty feared Cinque.
1768 01:25:53,017 01:25:55,182 He told her she'd be killed if her parents did not meet He told her she'd be killed if her parents did not meet
1769 01:25:55,183 01:25:57,765 the SLA's demands, and she believed him. the SLA's demands, and she believed him.
1770 01:25:57,766 01:25:59,433 So Patty grew impatient So Patty grew impatient
1771 01:25:59,434 01:26:01,932 as the ransom negotiations bogged down. as the ransom negotiations bogged down.
1772 01:26:01,933 01:26:04,974 "I felt my parents were debating how much I was worth. "I felt my parents were debating how much I was worth.
1773 01:26:04,975 01:26:06,890 "Like they figured I was worth 2 million "Like they figured I was worth 2 million
1774 01:26:06,891 01:26:08,599 "but I wasn't worth 10 million. "but I wasn't worth 10 million.
1775 01:26:08,600 01:26:10,558 "It was a horrible feeling that my parents "It was a horrible feeling that my parents
1776 01:26:10,559 01:26:13,016 "could think of me in terms of dollars and cents. "could think of me in terms of dollars and cents.
1777 01:26:13,017 01:26:16,099 I felt sick all over." I felt sick all over."
1778 01:26:16,100 01:26:18,266 By degrees, her disillusionment By degrees, her disillusionment
1779 01:26:18,267 01:26:21,890 with her parents turned into sympathy for the SLA. with her parents turned into sympathy for the SLA.
1780 01:26:21,891 01:26:25,224 Cinque wanted her to become a comrade in arms. Cinque wanted her to become a comrade in arms.
1781 01:26:25,225 01:26:26,807 Patty was urged to attend Patty was urged to attend
1782 01:26:26,808 01:26:29,224 SLA's daily political study sessions. SLA's daily political study sessions.
1783 01:26:29,225 01:26:32,599 She was invited to listen to the SLA national anthem, She was invited to listen to the SLA national anthem,
1784 01:26:32,600 01:26:34,433 an eerie jazz composition an eerie jazz composition
1785 01:26:34,434 01:26:36,932 of wind and string that Cinque had selected. of wind and string that Cinque had selected.
1786 01:26:41,434 01:26:43,349 They hugged her, called her "sister," They hugged her, called her "sister,"
1787 01:26:43,350 01:26:45,266 and ended her loneliness. and ended her loneliness.
1788 01:26:45,267 01:26:48,724 Patty's conversion was as much emotional as political. Patty's conversion was as much emotional as political.
1789 01:26:48,725 01:26:50,849 Seven weeks after she was kidnapped, Seven weeks after she was kidnapped,
1790 01:26:50,850 01:26:54,058 Patty changed into Tania, an SLA soldier. Patty changed into Tania, an SLA soldier.
1791 01:27:03,017 01:27:05,474 - Greetings to the people. - Greetings to the people.
1792 01:27:05,475 01:27:07,016 This is Tania. This is Tania.
1793 01:27:07,017 01:27:10,266 On April 15th, my comrades and I On April 15th, my comrades and I
1794 01:27:10,267 01:27:15,141 expropriated $10,660.02 expropriated $10,660.02
1795 01:27:15,142 01:27:18,182 from the Sunset branch of the Hibernia Bank. from the Sunset branch of the Hibernia Bank.
1796 01:27:18,183 01:27:20,890 Casualties could have been avoided Casualties could have been avoided
1797 01:27:20,891 01:27:22,391 had the persons involved had the persons involved
1798 01:27:22,392 01:27:24,266 cooperated with the people's forces cooperated with the people's forces
1799 01:27:24,267 01:27:28,141 and kept out of the way until after our departure. and kept out of the way until after our departure.
1800 01:27:28,142 01:27:30,558 - The story was so widely covered. - The story was so widely covered.
1801 01:27:30,559 01:27:32,224 It was like a circus. It was like a circus.
1802 01:27:32,225 01:27:35,141 It was O.J. Simpson before O.J. Simpson. It was O.J. Simpson before O.J. Simpson.
1803 01:27:35,142 01:27:37,308 But the mainstream media never had But the mainstream media never had
1804 01:27:37,309 01:27:40,308 her side of the story until "Rolling Stone" her side of the story until "Rolling Stone"
1805 01:27:40,309 01:27:43,599 found a source, someone named Jack Scott. found a source, someone named Jack Scott.
1806 01:27:43,600 01:27:46,141 - Jack was a writer, and he wanted to write - Jack was a writer, and he wanted to write
1807 01:27:46,142 01:27:50,182 a book about the SLA, so he came to Berkeley a book about the SLA, so he came to Berkeley
1808 01:27:50,183 01:27:53,807 to talk to friends who were sympathetic to the SLA, to talk to friends who were sympathetic to the SLA,
1809 01:27:53,808 01:27:56,724 and he didn't realize quite how sympathetic they were. and he didn't realize quite how sympathetic they were.
1810 01:28:01,225 01:28:03,016 At 2:00 the next afternoon, At 2:00 the next afternoon,
1811 01:28:03,017 01:28:05,474 at the corner of Telegraph and Dwight Way, at the corner of Telegraph and Dwight Way,
1812 01:28:05,475 01:28:07,349 the door opened, and Jack walked the door opened, and Jack walked
1813 01:28:07,350 01:28:10,849 into an apartment prepared for a police invasion. into an apartment prepared for a police invasion.
1814 01:28:10,850 01:28:13,599 - ♪ You walk into the room ♪ - ♪ You walk into the room ♪
1815 01:28:13,600 01:28:15,765 ♪ With your pencil in your hand ♪ ♪ With your pencil in your hand ♪
1816 01:28:15,766 01:28:19,016 - Automatic machine guns were lined up next to the windows. - Automatic machine guns were lined up next to the windows.
1817 01:28:19,017 01:28:21,890 Grenades were stacked in strategic corners. Grenades were stacked in strategic corners.
1818 01:28:21,891 01:28:25,640 One gun was cradled by a short, unsmiling woman. One gun was cradled by a short, unsmiling woman.
1819 01:28:25,641 01:28:29,182 - ♪ But you don't understand ♪ - ♪ But you don't understand ♪
1820 01:28:29,183 01:28:33,932 ♪ Just what you will say when you get home ♪ ♪ Just what you will say when you get home ♪
1821 01:28:33,933 01:28:37,057 - She was Tania, Patricia Campbell Hearst. - She was Tania, Patricia Campbell Hearst.
1822 01:28:37,058 01:28:38,932 - ♪ Because something is happening here ♪ - ♪ Because something is happening here ♪
1823 01:28:38,933 01:28:42,640 ♪ But you don't know what it is ♪ ♪ But you don't know what it is ♪
1824 01:28:42,641 01:28:45,016 - "You said you were interested in the SLA. - "You said you were interested in the SLA.
1825 01:28:45,017 01:28:47,057 "That's why we invited you here. "That's why we invited you here.
1826 01:28:47,058 01:28:48,558 "The most important thing, "The most important thing,
1827 01:28:48,559 01:28:51,349 at this time is to help us." at this time is to help us."
1828 01:28:51,350 01:28:54,474 Jack nodded. He had over $40,000. Jack nodded. He had over $40,000.
1829 01:28:54,475 01:28:57,558 The fugitives were welcome to some of that money. The fugitives were welcome to some of that money.
1830 01:28:57,559 01:28:59,099 They could not leave Berkeley They could not leave Berkeley
1831 01:28:59,100 01:29:01,558 without the kind of money Jack had. without the kind of money Jack had.
1832 01:29:05,309 01:29:07,849 Too many wanted posters had been circulated Too many wanted posters had been circulated
1833 01:29:07,850 01:29:09,765 to risk planes or trains. to risk planes or trains.
1834 01:29:09,766 01:29:12,433 They would have to split up, travel by car. They would have to split up, travel by car.
1835 01:29:12,434 01:29:14,558 Jack would have to chauffeur Patty. Jack would have to chauffeur Patty.
1836 01:29:14,559 01:29:17,433 None of the other friends were willing to drive 3,000 miles None of the other friends were willing to drive 3,000 miles
1837 01:29:17,434 01:29:19,932 with the most famous fugitive in the country with the most famous fugitive in the country
1838 01:29:19,933 01:29:22,932 to a wooden two-story house that stood unpretentiously to a wooden two-story house that stood unpretentiously
1839 01:29:22,933 01:29:24,890 by a dirt road in Pennsylvania, by a dirt road in Pennsylvania,
1840 01:29:24,891 01:29:28,224 three hours west of New York City. three hours west of New York City.
1841 01:29:28,225 01:29:31,599 Jack and Patty made it without mishap. Jack and Patty made it without mishap.
1842 01:29:31,600 01:29:33,765 The farmhouse, from the outside, The farmhouse, from the outside,
1843 01:29:33,766 01:29:35,807 loomed tall and weathered. loomed tall and weathered.
1844 01:29:35,808 01:29:39,016 Patty spent long hours on a grassy hammock. Patty spent long hours on a grassy hammock.
1845 01:29:39,017 01:29:40,932 The Pennsylvania summer seemed to relax The Pennsylvania summer seemed to relax
1846 01:29:40,933 01:29:43,141 and rejuvenate the fugitives. and rejuvenate the fugitives.
1847 01:29:43,142 01:29:44,765 They picked wild blackberries They picked wild blackberries
1848 01:29:44,766 01:29:47,057 from bushes growing across the road. from bushes growing across the road.
1849 01:29:47,058 01:29:49,224 For two months, the SLA fugitives For two months, the SLA fugitives
1850 01:29:49,225 01:29:53,016 depended solely on the Schotts. depended solely on the Schotts.
1851 01:29:53,017 01:29:55,474 Both sides agreed that the fugitives should leave Both sides agreed that the fugitives should leave
1852 01:29:55,475 01:29:57,640 the farmhouse by September 1st. the farmhouse by September 1st.
1853 01:29:57,641 01:29:59,807 Their friends back in Berkeley might be willing Their friends back in Berkeley might be willing
1854 01:29:59,808 01:30:01,974 to risk helping them. to risk helping them.
1855 01:30:01,975 01:30:03,974 A series of calls followed. A series of calls followed.
1856 01:30:03,975 01:30:07,558 Reluctantly, they explained the hitch--Patty Hearst. Reluctantly, they explained the hitch--Patty Hearst.
1857 01:30:07,559 01:30:09,640 The new team did not want the "Newsweek" cover girl The new team did not want the "Newsweek" cover girl
1858 01:30:09,641 01:30:11,141 to be in the car when they entered to be in the car when they entered
1859 01:30:11,142 01:30:13,099 a cross-country automobile trip. a cross-country automobile trip.
1860 01:30:13,100 01:30:15,224 If Patty were to leave the farm, If Patty were to leave the farm,
1861 01:30:15,225 01:30:18,474 it seemed Jack would have to drive the getaway car. it seemed Jack would have to drive the getaway car.
1862 01:30:20,975 01:30:23,349 Three days later, they reached Las Vegas. Three days later, they reached Las Vegas.
1863 01:30:23,350 01:30:25,807 Jack dropped Patty at a prearranged motel, Jack dropped Patty at a prearranged motel,
1864 01:30:25,808 01:30:28,224 hugging her hard, and said good-bye. hugging her hard, and said good-bye.
1865 01:30:28,225 01:30:31,808 The date was September 27, 1974. The date was September 27, 1974.
1866 01:30:34,475 01:30:37,558 - Patty Hearst was underground for a long time, - Patty Hearst was underground for a long time,
1867 01:30:37,559 01:30:39,433 about 19 months. about 19 months.
1868 01:30:39,434 01:30:41,433 During that time, David and I were-- During that time, David and I were--
1869 01:30:41,434 01:30:43,016 we were writing the story, we were writing the story,
1870 01:30:43,017 01:30:44,682 and we could not reveal that Jack Scott and we could not reveal that Jack Scott
1871 01:30:44,683 01:30:46,932 was a primary source. was a primary source.
1872 01:30:46,933 01:30:50,309 It's hard to describe how dangerous this was. It's hard to describe how dangerous this was.
1873 01:30:52,017 01:30:55,224 Finally, I talked to Jann, and I said, Finally, I talked to Jann, and I said,
1874 01:30:55,225 01:30:57,640 "I think this is gonna blow your mind, but"... "I think this is gonna blow your mind, but"...
1875 01:30:59,100 01:31:01,057 "Are you willing to print a story "Are you willing to print a story
1876 01:31:01,058 01:31:04,349 if you don't know where the information comes from?" if you don't know where the information comes from?"
1877 01:31:04,350 01:31:06,182 And he said, "Yes." And he said, "Yes."
1878 01:31:06,183 01:31:09,016 He knew we had a scoop. We all knew we had a scoop. He knew we had a scoop. We all knew we had a scoop.
1879 01:31:09,017 01:31:12,182 - So we got the article all ready to go. - So we got the article all ready to go.
1880 01:31:12,183 01:31:15,182 - But then all of a sudden, Patty was found and arrested. - But then all of a sudden, Patty was found and arrested.
1881 01:31:22,475 01:31:24,724 - She was arrested on a Friday, - She was arrested on a Friday,
1882 01:31:24,725 01:31:27,308 and we held an impromptu press conference. and we held an impromptu press conference.
1883 01:31:27,309 01:31:29,974 So it was me in a flannel shirt So it was me in a flannel shirt
1884 01:31:29,975 01:31:32,890 basically validating our story. basically validating our story.
1885 01:31:32,891 01:31:35,224 The political content of their arguments The political content of their arguments
1886 01:31:35,225 01:31:36,974 about the inequitable distribution of wealth about the inequitable distribution of wealth
1887 01:31:36,975 01:31:39,057 in this country and a lot of things that a lot of us in this country and a lot of things that a lot of us
1888 01:31:39,058 01:31:42,558 would agree with did make an impact on Patty Hearst... would agree with did make an impact on Patty Hearst...
1889 01:31:42,559 01:31:44,224 - It was the Patty Hearst stories - It was the Patty Hearst stories
1890 01:31:44,225 01:31:46,224 that put the magazine over the top, that put the magazine over the top,
1891 01:31:46,225 01:31:48,016 and after that, "Rolling Stone" and after that, "Rolling Stone"
1892 01:31:48,017 01:31:50,516 increasingly got publicity for its articles. increasingly got publicity for its articles.
1893 01:31:50,517 01:31:52,558 - A long investigation, involving... - A long investigation, involving...
1894 01:31:52,559 01:31:54,224 - "Rolling Stone," you say? - "Rolling Stone," you say?
1895 01:31:54,225 01:31:56,141 Well, maybe everybody doesn't know. Well, maybe everybody doesn't know.
1896 01:31:56,142 01:31:59,057 "Rolling Stone" started out as the counterculture, "Rolling Stone" started out as the counterculture,
1897 01:31:59,058 01:32:01,057 underground sort of newspaper. underground sort of newspaper.
1898 01:32:02,975 01:32:05,516 Colonel McCormick must be turning over to find Colonel McCormick must be turning over to find
1899 01:32:05,517 01:32:07,308 that his dear "Chicago Tribune" that his dear "Chicago Tribune"
1900 01:32:07,309 01:32:09,682 is carrying a story originally broken is carrying a story originally broken
1901 01:32:09,683 01:32:10,932 in "Rolling Stone." in "Rolling Stone."
1902 01:32:10,933 01:32:12,141 - How did you get the story? - How did you get the story?
1903 01:32:12,142 01:32:13,640 Who were your sources? Who were your sources?
1904 01:32:13,641 01:32:14,974 - How do you feel about the ethics - How do you feel about the ethics
1905 01:32:14,975 01:32:16,849 of giving the SLA publicity? of giving the SLA publicity?
1906 01:32:16,850 01:32:19,724 - What exactly makes the article so controversial? - What exactly makes the article so controversial?
1907 01:32:19,725 01:32:21,640 - ♪ You're a shining star ♪ - ♪ You're a shining star ♪
1908 01:32:21,641 01:32:23,974 ♪ No matter who you are ♪ ♪ No matter who you are ♪
1909 01:32:23,975 01:32:25,974 ♪ Shining bright to see ♪ ♪ Shining bright to see ♪
1910 01:32:25,975 01:32:29,308 ♪ What you could truly be, what you could truly be ♪ ♪ What you could truly be, what you could truly be ♪
1911 01:32:29,309 01:32:31,266 - Just recently "Rolling Stone" magazine - Just recently "Rolling Stone" magazine
1912 01:32:31,267 01:32:34,308 put out a two-edition article. put out a two-edition article.
1913 01:32:34,309 01:32:36,016 - Howard Kohn, thank you very much for being with us. - Howard Kohn, thank you very much for being with us.
1914 01:32:36,017 01:32:38,433 - And would you please welcome David Weir. - And would you please welcome David Weir.
1915 01:32:42,142 01:32:44,433 - Two years ago, the SLA announced itself - Two years ago, the SLA announced itself
1916 01:32:44,434 01:32:46,266 as a revolutionary vanguard. as a revolutionary vanguard.
1917 01:32:46,267 01:32:49,266 It attempted to scare the rich and powerful, It attempted to scare the rich and powerful,
1918 01:32:49,267 01:32:53,558 but managed instead to scare the American people. but managed instead to scare the American people.
1919 01:32:53,559 01:32:55,640 And history has no record of a people And history has no record of a people
1920 01:32:55,641 01:32:59,475 who have been frightened into making a revolution. who have been frightened into making a revolution.
1921 01:33:00,517 01:33:04,099 - The SLA was, in a way, the last gasp of the '60s, - The SLA was, in a way, the last gasp of the '60s,
1922 01:33:04,100 01:33:05,599 even though it was a weird gasp. even though it was a weird gasp.
1923 01:33:05,600 01:33:07,349 And I feel like in a way, And I feel like in a way,
1924 01:33:07,350 01:33:09,433 I'm a stand-in for a whole generation of people I'm a stand-in for a whole generation of people
1925 01:33:09,434 01:33:13,057 who moved slowly away from the protest things. who moved slowly away from the protest things.
1926 01:33:13,058 01:33:14,474 We got married. We got married.
1927 01:33:14,475 01:33:16,391 We had kids. We got jobs. We had kids. We got jobs.
1928 01:33:16,392 01:33:18,765 We became professionals on some level. We became professionals on some level.
1929 01:33:18,766 01:33:22,474 And the idealism of the generation And the idealism of the generation
1930 01:33:22,475 01:33:25,224 kind of melted away. kind of melted away.
1931 01:33:29,766 01:33:33,016 - Living in San Francisco, you had the SLA, - Living in San Francisco, you had the SLA,
1932 01:33:33,017 01:33:35,349 you had the Zebra Killers, you had the Zebra Killers,
1933 01:33:35,350 01:33:39,016 you had the Zodiac Killers. you had the Zodiac Killers.
1934 01:33:39,017 01:33:42,849 At some point, San Francisco started to scare me. At some point, San Francisco started to scare me.
1935 01:33:42,850 01:33:44,849 I just was anxious to get back East. I just was anxious to get back East.
1936 01:33:44,850 01:33:47,516 I thought New York was where publishing was, I thought New York was where publishing was,
1937 01:33:47,517 01:33:51,057 and it seemed the right time to move. and it seemed the right time to move.
1938 01:33:51,058 01:33:52,890 - When we started "Rolling Stone," - When we started "Rolling Stone,"
1939 01:33:52,891 01:33:54,932 San Francisco was a really extremely exciting, San Francisco was a really extremely exciting,
1940 01:33:54,933 01:33:56,682 alive town. alive town.
1941 01:33:56,683 01:33:59,932 Everybody now still--the same people still live here, Everybody now still--the same people still live here,
1942 01:33:59,933 01:34:02,516 but they've grown up, you know. but they've grown up, you know.
1943 01:34:02,517 01:34:05,057 Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead Jerry Garcia of the Grateful Dead
1944 01:34:05,058 01:34:06,599 or the Airplane or these people-- or the Airplane or these people--
1945 01:34:06,600 01:34:09,765 they're no longer 25-year-old youngst-- they're no longer 25-year-old youngst--
1946 01:34:09,766 01:34:10,974 How do you char-- How do you char--
1947 01:34:10,975 01:34:12,640 Youngsters. - Right. Youngsters. - Right.
1948 01:34:12,641 01:34:14,682 - They're 35-year-old men, and they've got families. - They're 35-year-old men, and they've got families.
1949 01:34:14,683 01:34:16,308 So everybody's settled down, don't have the time So everybody's settled down, don't have the time
1950 01:34:16,309 01:34:18,057 to run around anymore and, you know, to run around anymore and, you know,
1951 01:34:18,058 01:34:19,516 create all those scenes-- it's not like that. create all those scenes-- it's not like that.
1952 01:34:19,517 01:34:21,224 And so it's nothing--it was-- And so it's nothing--it was--
1953 01:34:21,225 01:34:23,185 it was a natural thing to have happened, you know. it was a natural thing to have happened, you know.
1954 01:34:25,725 01:34:29,224 By 1977, we were expanding, By 1977, we were expanding,
1955 01:34:29,225 01:34:31,974 and New York was the only place we could do it, and New York was the only place we could do it,
1956 01:34:31,975 01:34:34,640 and we were ready to go. and we were ready to go.
1957 01:34:34,641 01:34:36,890 - ♪ Gotta get up, gotta get out ♪ - ♪ Gotta get up, gotta get out ♪
1958 01:34:36,891 01:34:39,932 ♪ Gotta get home before the morning comes ♪ ♪ Gotta get home before the morning comes ♪
1959 01:34:39,933 01:34:42,057 ♪ What if I'm late? Got a big date ♪ ♪ What if I'm late? Got a big date ♪
1960 01:34:42,058 01:34:45,640 ♪ Gotta get home before the sun comes up ♪ ♪ Gotta get home before the sun comes up ♪
1961 01:34:45,641 01:34:47,890 ♪ Up and away, got a big day ♪ ♪ Up and away, got a big day ♪
1962 01:34:47,891 01:34:51,182 ♪ Sorry can't stay, I gotta run, run, yeah ♪ ♪ Sorry can't stay, I gotta run, run, yeah ♪
1963 01:34:51,183 01:34:53,016 - When I went to New York, it changed a lot. - When I went to New York, it changed a lot.
1964 01:34:53,017 01:34:54,765 A lot of the original people didn't go. A lot of the original people didn't go.
1965 01:34:54,766 01:34:56,516 And it was a whole new staff, And it was a whole new staff,
1966 01:34:56,517 01:35:00,099 and they didn't have the élan and the esprit and they didn't have the élan and the esprit
1967 01:35:00,100 01:35:01,932 we had in San Francisco. we had in San Francisco.
1968 01:35:01,933 01:35:03,932 - ♪ There was a time when we could dance ♪ - ♪ There was a time when we could dance ♪
1969 01:35:03,933 01:35:05,765 ♪ Until a quarter to 10:00 ♪ ♪ Until a quarter to 10:00 ♪
1970 01:35:05,766 01:35:09,099 - "Rolling Stone" should be, by its existence, - "Rolling Stone" should be, by its existence,
1971 01:35:09,100 01:35:12,308 somehow threatening to the establishment. somehow threatening to the establishment.
1972 01:35:12,309 01:35:16,474 Instead, it's become the establishment in a way. Instead, it's become the establishment in a way.
1973 01:35:16,475 01:35:19,266 - ♪ We never thought we'd get older ♪ - ♪ We never thought we'd get older ♪
1974 01:35:19,267 01:35:23,182 ♪ We never thought we'd grow cold, but now... ♪ ♪ We never thought we'd grow cold, but now... ♪
1975 01:35:23,183 01:35:27,016 - Jann's fundamental conundrum is that, uh, - Jann's fundamental conundrum is that, uh,
1976 01:35:27,017 01:35:30,474 his whole gestalt was based on music and the power of music, his whole gestalt was based on music and the power of music,
1977 01:35:30,475 01:35:33,474 that rock and roll will set you free. that rock and roll will set you free.
1978 01:35:33,475 01:35:35,516 Well, rock and roll no longer sets you free. Well, rock and roll no longer sets you free.
1979 01:35:35,517 01:35:37,349 It's Muzak now. It's Muzak now.
1980 01:35:37,350 01:35:39,724 Um, and it's no longer threatening. Um, and it's no longer threatening.
1981 01:35:39,725 01:35:41,308 It's no longer revolutionary. It's no longer revolutionary.
1982 01:35:41,309 01:35:43,224 It's just a big billion-dollar industry. It's just a big billion-dollar industry.
1983 01:35:43,225 01:35:44,932 So, if you've attached your whole life So, if you've attached your whole life
1984 01:35:44,933 01:35:46,765 and your editorial genius to that concept and your editorial genius to that concept
1985 01:35:46,766 01:35:49,224 and all of a sudden it changes, what do you do? and all of a sudden it changes, what do you do?
1986 01:35:49,225 01:35:51,724 - ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ - ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
1987 01:35:51,725 01:35:54,182 ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
1988 01:35:54,183 01:35:56,765 ♪ They're forming in a straight line ♪ ♪ They're forming in a straight line ♪
1989 01:35:56,766 01:35:59,516 ♪ They're going through a tight wind ♪ ♪ They're going through a tight wind ♪
1990 01:35:59,517 01:36:01,640 ♪ The kids are losing their minds ♪ ♪ The kids are losing their minds ♪
1991 01:36:01,641 01:36:03,474 ♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪ ♪ Blitzkrieg bop ♪
1992 01:36:03,475 01:36:06,391 - Hippie rock had really dominated things for so long. - Hippie rock had really dominated things for so long.
1993 01:36:06,392 01:36:08,391 The idea of sitting around and smoking dope The idea of sitting around and smoking dope
1994 01:36:08,392 01:36:12,099 and nodding off just was not really appealing and nodding off just was not really appealing
1995 01:36:12,100 01:36:15,558 to people who were like, you know, 15. to people who were like, you know, 15.
1996 01:36:15,559 01:36:18,141 They don't want to do that. "My dad does that." They don't want to do that. "My dad does that."
1997 01:36:18,142 01:36:20,057 You just were yearning for something You just were yearning for something
1998 01:36:20,058 01:36:23,599 to come along and blow that away, and punk rock did. to come along and blow that away, and punk rock did.
1999 01:36:23,600 01:36:25,724 - ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ - ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2000 01:36:25,725 01:36:28,516 ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪ ♪ Hey, ho, let's go ♪
2001 01:36:28,517 01:36:30,099 - You could trace it back - You could trace it back
2002 01:36:30,100 01:36:31,974 to Iggy and the Stooges in Detroit. to Iggy and the Stooges in Detroit.
2003 01:36:31,975 01:36:34,224 You could trace it back to Elvis Presley. You could trace it back to Elvis Presley.
2004 01:36:34,225 01:36:36,516 You could trace it back as far as you want, uh, You could trace it back as far as you want, uh,
2005 01:36:36,517 01:36:38,516 but, you know, the clothing but, you know, the clothing
2006 01:36:38,517 01:36:42,224 and the loud, fast guitars-- that started in New York. and the loud, fast guitars-- that started in New York.
2007 01:36:42,225 01:36:44,057 And it started at CBGB. And it started at CBGB.
2008 01:36:48,559 01:36:50,182 - First time I saw the Ramones - First time I saw the Ramones
2009 01:36:50,183 01:36:53,391 was in the summer of 1975. was in the summer of 1975.
2010 01:36:53,392 01:36:56,890 It was like nothing I'd--I'd heard. It was like nothing I'd--I'd heard.
2011 01:36:56,891 01:37:00,057 Everything you heard on the radio was either disco Everything you heard on the radio was either disco
2012 01:37:00,058 01:37:03,890 or Linda Ronstadt, Eagles, soft rock axis, or Linda Ronstadt, Eagles, soft rock axis,
2013 01:37:03,891 01:37:07,308 that after a while just got to be boring. that after a while just got to be boring.
2014 01:37:07,309 01:37:10,682 And the Ramones went out there, and they blew me away. And the Ramones went out there, and they blew me away.
2015 01:37:10,683 01:37:12,849 And I stayed around for two sets And I stayed around for two sets
2016 01:37:12,850 01:37:14,807 until about 3:00 in the morning with this girl until about 3:00 in the morning with this girl
2017 01:37:14,808 01:37:16,890 who didn't want to stick around for any of it at all, who didn't want to stick around for any of it at all,
2018 01:37:16,891 01:37:19,224 but she was afraid to go home alone, but she was afraid to go home alone,
2019 01:37:19,225 01:37:21,724 so we stayed for the whole thing. so we stayed for the whole thing.
2020 01:37:24,017 01:37:26,016 - I met Chuck when we moved to New York. - I met Chuck when we moved to New York.
2021 01:37:26,017 01:37:29,433 He never was part of the West Coast operation. He never was part of the West Coast operation.
2022 01:37:29,434 01:37:32,016 And I don't know. We just hit it off. And I don't know. We just hit it off.
2023 01:37:32,017 01:37:33,890 He was ten years younger than me, He was ten years younger than me,
2024 01:37:33,891 01:37:38,016 and he just had his finger on what was happening. and he just had his finger on what was happening.
2025 01:37:38,017 01:37:40,765 He introduced me to CBGB's and punk music. He introduced me to CBGB's and punk music.
2026 01:37:40,766 01:37:42,849 - Okay, what we've got-- okay, there's two pages - Okay, what we've got-- okay, there's two pages
2027 01:37:42,850 01:37:45,266 scheduled for--it's gonna be about 4,000 words. scheduled for--it's gonna be about 4,000 words.
2028 01:37:45,267 01:37:48,474 - One time we were having an editorial meeting. - One time we were having an editorial meeting.
2029 01:37:48,475 01:37:50,765 We were talking about serious stuff We were talking about serious stuff
2030 01:37:50,766 01:37:54,224 and, you know, editorial shit. and, you know, editorial shit.
2031 01:37:54,225 01:37:56,266 All of a sudden, the door breaks open, All of a sudden, the door breaks open,
2032 01:37:56,267 01:37:59,599 and it's Chuck, but he came out with this weird hair, and it's Chuck, but he came out with this weird hair,
2033 01:37:59,600 01:38:01,474 and he looked entirely different, and he looked entirely different,
2034 01:38:01,475 01:38:03,349 and he had a boom box, and he had a boom box,
2035 01:38:03,350 01:38:07,433 which he put down and he just started miming this song. which he put down and he just started miming this song.
2036 01:38:07,434 01:38:10,765 - ♪ I got no reason, it's all too much ♪ - ♪ I got no reason, it's all too much ♪
2037 01:38:10,766 01:38:13,016 ♪ You'll always find us ♪ ♪ You'll always find us ♪
2038 01:38:13,017 01:38:15,391 - It was the first time I heard the Sex Pistols. - It was the first time I heard the Sex Pistols.
2039 01:38:15,392 01:38:17,599 - ♪ Out to lunch ♪ - ♪ Out to lunch ♪
2040 01:38:19,350 01:38:23,974 ♪ Oh, we're so pretty, oh, so pretty ♪ ♪ Oh, we're so pretty, oh, so pretty ♪
2041 01:38:23,975 01:38:26,433 ♪ We're vacant, oh, we're so pretty ♪ ♪ We're vacant, oh, we're so pretty ♪
2042 01:38:26,434 01:38:28,599 - It wasn't just the fact that Chuck was young - It wasn't just the fact that Chuck was young
2043 01:38:28,600 01:38:32,516 and outrageous and disruptive and the music was, too. and outrageous and disruptive and the music was, too.
2044 01:38:32,517 01:38:36,516 He saw that this was valid musically. He saw that this was valid musically.
2045 01:38:36,517 01:38:38,724 - Chuck Young's cover story on the Sex Pistols - Chuck Young's cover story on the Sex Pistols
2046 01:38:38,725 01:38:41,974 I think, was an experiment that Jann sort of I think, was an experiment that Jann sort of
2047 01:38:41,975 01:38:43,682 allowed to go forward. allowed to go forward.
2048 01:38:43,683 01:38:46,807 I don't think he saw much future in this. I don't think he saw much future in this.
2049 01:38:48,600 01:38:50,308 - A little before midnight, - A little before midnight,
2050 01:38:50,309 01:38:54,099 my taxi arrives at a club called the Vortex. my taxi arrives at a club called the Vortex.
2051 01:38:54,100 01:38:57,433 - ♪ Is this the MPLA? ♪ - ♪ Is this the MPLA? ♪
2052 01:38:57,434 01:39:01,099 ♪ Or is this the UDA? ♪ ♪ Or is this the UDA? ♪
2053 01:39:01,100 01:39:04,807 ♪ Or is this the IRA? ♪ ♪ Or is this the IRA? ♪
2054 01:39:04,808 01:39:08,682 ♪ I thought it was the U.K. ♪ ♪ I thought it was the U.K. ♪
2055 01:39:08,683 01:39:10,558 - The dense crowd inside consists - The dense crowd inside consists
2056 01:39:10,559 01:39:14,266 of cadaverous teenagers dressed in black or gray. of cadaverous teenagers dressed in black or gray.
2057 01:39:14,267 01:39:16,932 Johnny Rotten, blessed with a demented anger Johnny Rotten, blessed with a demented anger
2058 01:39:16,933 01:39:19,391 unseen outside a war zone, declared himself unseen outside a war zone, declared himself
2059 01:39:19,392 01:39:22,724 an Antichrist who wanted to destroy everything. an Antichrist who wanted to destroy everything.
2060 01:39:22,725 01:39:24,266 The BBC was not amused The BBC was not amused
2061 01:39:24,267 01:39:26,890 and gave the Sex Pistols no airplay. and gave the Sex Pistols no airplay.
2062 01:39:26,891 01:39:28,682 - ♪ I want to be ♪ - ♪ I want to be ♪
2063 01:39:28,683 01:39:31,808 ♪ Anarchy ♪ ♪ Anarchy ♪
2064 01:39:51,350 01:39:53,141 ♪ Anarchy ♪ ♪ Anarchy ♪
2065 01:39:53,142 01:39:59,349 ♪ 'Cause I want to be ♪ ♪ 'Cause I want to be ♪
2066 01:39:59,350 01:40:02,057 ♪ Anarchy ♪ ♪ Anarchy ♪
2067 01:40:02,058 01:40:04,932 - When you stood up and started singing - When you stood up and started singing
2068 01:40:04,933 01:40:08,182 for the first time, what happened? for the first time, what happened?
2069 01:40:08,183 01:40:10,558 - Go on, John. Go on. - It was wonderful. - Go on, John. Go on. - It was wonderful.
2070 01:40:10,559 01:40:12,016 - No, come on. - No, come on.
2071 01:40:12,017 01:40:14,558 - People loved me. They threw flowers. - People loved me. They threw flowers.
2072 01:40:14,559 01:40:16,558 - What do you think about bands like the Stones? - What do you think about bands like the Stones?
2073 01:40:16,559 01:40:20,057 I don't. I don't.
2074 01:40:20,058 01:40:21,724 - I don't even consider them a band. - I don't even consider them a band.
2075 01:40:21,725 01:40:23,599 They're more like a business. They're more like a business.
2076 01:40:23,600 01:40:26,182 - Do you think they're relevant to the kids, 16, 17? - Do you think they're relevant to the kids, 16, 17?
2077 01:40:26,183 01:40:28,640 - Of course they're not. - Of course they're not.
2078 01:40:28,641 01:40:31,932 Relevant to their mums and dads, but that's about all. Relevant to their mums and dads, but that's about all.
2079 01:40:31,933 01:40:34,099 - What about bands like Rod Stewart? - What about bands like Rod Stewart?
2080 01:40:34,100 01:40:35,974 - What about him? - Mums and dads. - What about him? - Mums and dads.
2081 01:40:35,975 01:40:38,474 - He's all-around, isn't he? All-around entertainment. - He's all-around, isn't he? All-around entertainment.
2082 01:40:38,475 01:40:39,849 - He's an old. - He's an old.
2083 01:40:39,850 01:40:41,640 - ♪ Hear me ♪ - ♪ Hear me ♪
2084 01:40:41,641 01:40:45,433 - ♪ Through the dark night ♪ - ♪ Through the dark night ♪
2085 01:40:45,434 01:40:48,765 ♪ Far away ♪ ♪ Far away ♪
2086 01:40:48,766 01:40:51,765 - The Sex Pistols chose not the politics of boredom, - The Sex Pistols chose not the politics of boredom,
2087 01:40:51,766 01:40:53,558 but the politics of division. but the politics of division.
2088 01:40:53,559 01:40:56,016 Amputate the wanking '60s liberals Amputate the wanking '60s liberals
2089 01:40:56,017 01:40:58,099 from their working-class support. from their working-class support.
2090 01:40:58,100 01:41:00,308 "The kids needed a sense of adventure, "The kids needed a sense of adventure,
2091 01:41:00,309 01:41:02,141 "and rock and roll needs to find a way "and rock and roll needs to find a way
2092 01:41:02,142 01:41:04,266 to give it to them," says Malcolm McLaren, to give it to them," says Malcolm McLaren,
2093 01:41:04,267 01:41:06,890 the manager of the Sex Pistols. the manager of the Sex Pistols.
2094 01:41:06,891 01:41:11,016 - It didn't take much to set something up - It didn't take much to set something up
2095 01:41:11,017 01:41:14,182 opposite everything the industry opposite everything the industry
2096 01:41:14,183 01:41:16,182 had recognized as good, had recognized as good,
2097 01:41:16,183 01:41:20,599 which meant all this incredible corporate thinking, which meant all this incredible corporate thinking,
2098 01:41:20,600 01:41:24,182 all this legacy of pop music all this legacy of pop music
2099 01:41:24,183 01:41:27,391 was suddenly having a huge stake was suddenly having a huge stake
2100 01:41:27,392 01:41:30,182 driven through its heart by the Sex Pistols, driven through its heart by the Sex Pistols,
2101 01:41:30,183 01:41:34,057 and they had legions of followers wanting more. and they had legions of followers wanting more.
2102 01:41:47,350 01:41:49,932 See, this group was put together See, this group was put together
2103 01:41:49,933 01:41:52,807 not because they were friends. not because they were friends.
2104 01:41:52,808 01:41:56,849 They didn't really, genuinely have anything in common They didn't really, genuinely have anything in common
2105 01:41:56,850 01:42:01,224 other than the fact that they hated everything else. other than the fact that they hated everything else.
2106 01:42:02,850 01:42:04,433 - We aren't nice boys. - We aren't nice boys.
2107 01:42:04,434 01:42:07,392 We were fucking nasty little bastards. We were fucking nasty little bastards.
2108 01:42:09,350 01:42:11,558 And we still are. And we still are.
2109 01:42:11,559 01:42:14,141 - Sid Vicious is about as close as rock and roll - Sid Vicious is about as close as rock and roll
2110 01:42:14,142 01:42:15,765 is going to come to Huckleberry Finn is going to come to Huckleberry Finn
2111 01:42:15,766 01:42:17,558 in this decade. in this decade.
2112 01:42:17,559 01:42:20,141 His voice has a tone of goofy absurdity. His voice has a tone of goofy absurdity.
2113 01:42:20,142 01:42:21,849 - Here, want one of these? - Here, want one of these?
2114 01:42:21,850 01:42:23,349 - Something like Ringo Starr's, - Something like Ringo Starr's,
2115 01:42:23,350 01:42:24,599 though he'd hate that analogy. though he'd hate that analogy.
2116 01:42:24,600 01:42:26,182 - Who else wants something? - Who else wants something?
2117 01:42:26,183 01:42:28,807 Come on if you want something, you cunts. Come on if you want something, you cunts.
2118 01:42:28,808 01:42:32,474 - His teeth appear not to have been brushed in several years, - His teeth appear not to have been brushed in several years,
2119 01:42:32,475 01:42:34,224 his hair is about two inches long his hair is about two inches long
2120 01:42:34,225 01:42:36,224 and sticks straight out at odd angles. and sticks straight out at odd angles.
2121 01:42:36,225 01:42:40,057 Several bright red scars highlight his solar plexus. Several bright red scars highlight his solar plexus.
2122 01:42:40,058 01:42:41,724 - All I did was cash in on the fact - All I did was cash in on the fact
2123 01:42:41,725 01:42:44,308 that I'm good-looking and I have a good figure that I'm good-looking and I have a good figure
2124 01:42:44,309 01:42:46,182 and girls like me. and girls like me.
2125 01:42:46,183 01:42:50,182 If they want a fucking angel in flairs and an anorak-- If they want a fucking angel in flairs and an anorak--
2126 01:42:50,183 01:42:52,266 'cause if they want that, 'cause if they want that,
2127 01:42:52,267 01:42:55,765 that ain't me, baby. that ain't me, baby.
2128 01:42:55,766 01:42:58,141 - This summer the Pistols have been careening - This summer the Pistols have been careening
2129 01:42:58,142 01:43:00,558 in overexposure in their homeland. in overexposure in their homeland.
2130 01:43:00,559 01:43:02,807 The four major music weeklies have mentioned them The four major music weeklies have mentioned them
2131 01:43:02,808 01:43:05,391 on the cover of almost every issue for months. on the cover of almost every issue for months.
2132 01:43:05,392 01:43:07,890 Taking punk lyrics at their literal word, Taking punk lyrics at their literal word,
2133 01:43:07,891 01:43:09,849 the dailies regularly proclaim the dailies regularly proclaim
2134 01:43:09,850 01:43:13,099 the movement as the end of Western civilization. the movement as the end of Western civilization.
2135 01:43:13,100 01:43:14,932 - And, okay, you want to get your music across, - And, okay, you want to get your music across,
2136 01:43:14,933 01:43:17,516 but do you feel maybe the fact that you can't do but do you feel maybe the fact that you can't do
2137 01:43:17,517 01:43:19,849 that commercially is because of the way that you behave? that commercially is because of the way that you behave?
2138 01:43:21,517 01:43:23,266 - Since they are banned everywhere, - Since they are banned everywhere,
2139 01:43:23,267 01:43:25,599 they will be playing under assumed names. they will be playing under assumed names.
2140 01:43:25,600 01:43:27,849 Tonight they're going to be The SPOTS, Tonight they're going to be The SPOTS,
2141 01:43:27,850 01:43:32,141 an acronym for the Sex Pistols on Tour Secretly. an acronym for the Sex Pistols on Tour Secretly.
2142 01:43:32,142 01:43:33,724 The club is in the middle of a tough, The club is in the middle of a tough,
2143 01:43:33,725 01:43:35,349 working-class neighborhood. working-class neighborhood.
2144 01:43:35,350 01:43:37,433 Inside it is already packed with people Inside it is already packed with people
2145 01:43:37,434 01:43:39,849 in their late teens and early 20s. in their late teens and early 20s.
2146 01:43:59,058 01:44:00,932 - The crush around the foot-high stage - The crush around the foot-high stage
2147 01:44:00,933 01:44:02,807 is literally unbelievable, and skirmishes is literally unbelievable, and skirmishes
2148 01:44:02,808 01:44:05,141 with the security men immediately erupt. with the security men immediately erupt.
2149 01:44:05,142 01:44:07,807 Some kid has put his fist through one of the speakers Some kid has put his fist through one of the speakers
2150 01:44:07,808 01:44:09,599 and a few more stomp on wires and a few more stomp on wires
2151 01:44:09,600 01:44:11,599 and knock over electronic equipment. and knock over electronic equipment.
2152 01:44:11,600 01:44:13,765 The ten-foot stacks of PA speakers are rocking The ten-foot stacks of PA speakers are rocking
2153 01:44:13,766 01:44:15,599 back and forth and are dangerously close back and forth and are dangerously close
2154 01:44:15,600 01:44:17,099 to toppling over. to toppling over.
2155 01:44:19,434 01:44:21,141 - I don't like it. - I don't like it.
2156 01:44:21,142 01:44:22,599 I didn't like it then, I didn't like it then,
2157 01:44:22,600 01:44:24,474 and I don't particularly care for it now. and I don't particularly care for it now.
2158 01:44:24,475 01:44:26,890 So, you know, I took a little persuading. So, you know, I took a little persuading.
2159 01:44:26,891 01:44:28,516 If there's something you don't like, If there's something you don't like,
2160 01:44:28,517 01:44:30,391 you still have to be open to it, you still have to be open to it,
2161 01:44:30,392 01:44:32,724 and you wait till a constituency and you wait till a constituency
2162 01:44:32,725 01:44:34,890 within the office kind of builds towards it, within the office kind of builds towards it,
2163 01:44:34,891 01:44:36,765 and all of a sudden, you got three or four people and all of a sudden, you got three or four people
2164 01:44:36,766 01:44:39,433 you respect, like Chuck, saying, "We got to do it." you respect, like Chuck, saying, "We got to do it."
2165 01:44:39,434 01:44:43,349 You know, and so you say, "Do it." You know, and so you say, "Do it."
2166 01:44:43,350 01:44:45,141 - This is a great story about Chuck Young, - This is a great story about Chuck Young,
2167 01:44:45,142 01:44:47,057 who's just a silly, crazy guy. who's just a silly, crazy guy.
2168 01:44:47,058 01:44:49,099 We were going to do the Sex Pistols. We were going to do the Sex Pistols.
2169 01:44:49,100 01:44:52,516 They were playing in Texas, and we got to the airport, They were playing in Texas, and we got to the airport,
2170 01:44:52,517 01:44:54,807 and our plane wasn't gonna fly. and our plane wasn't gonna fly.
2171 01:44:54,808 01:44:57,182 So Chuck said, "Let's drive." So Chuck said, "Let's drive."
2172 01:44:57,183 01:45:00,016 So we drove to Texas. So we drove to Texas.
2173 01:45:00,017 01:45:02,391 - From New York? - From New York. - From New York? - From New York.
2174 01:45:02,392 01:45:03,974 - Oh, my God. Wow! - Oh, my God. Wow!
2175 01:45:03,975 01:45:06,182 - And we got there just-- And we're the crazy-- - And we got there just-- And we're the crazy--
2176 01:45:06,183 01:45:07,890 We got there just in time. We got there just in time.
2177 01:45:07,891 01:45:10,558 They were putting the-- You know, we drove all night. They were putting the-- You know, we drove all night.
2178 01:45:10,559 01:45:13,099 And this--you know, they're just putting the sign up And this--you know, they're just putting the sign up
2179 01:45:13,100 01:45:16,182 on this really-- this dive, you know, on this really-- this dive, you know,
2180 01:45:16,183 01:45:18,765 where the Sex Pistols played. where the Sex Pistols played.
2181 01:45:18,766 01:45:21,182 That's a real "Rolling Stone" story. That's a real "Rolling Stone" story.
2182 01:45:21,183 01:45:23,890 Chuck Young, "Okay, let's just--let's just drive." Chuck Young, "Okay, let's just--let's just drive."
2183 01:45:23,891 01:45:26,849 So... So...
2184 01:45:26,850 01:45:29,599 Anyway... Anyway...
2185 01:45:29,600 01:45:30,890 Jann... Jann...
2186 01:45:30,891 01:45:32,516 uh, you know that you uh, you know that you
2187 01:45:32,517 01:45:35,016 took that photograph and ran it took that photograph and ran it
2188 01:45:35,017 01:45:36,765 on the cover with no type. on the cover with no type.
2189 01:45:36,766 01:45:40,682 I mean, it, um-- it said it all. I mean, it, um-- it said it all.
2190 01:45:40,683 01:45:45,765 You know, you--you-- you--you just-- You know, you--you-- you--you just--
2191 01:45:45,766 01:45:48,308 You know... You know...
2192 01:45:48,309 01:45:51,807 - Two, three, four. - Two, three, four.
2193 01:45:51,808 01:45:56,224 For the other half of the sky. For the other half of the sky.
2194 01:45:56,225 01:45:58,724 ♪ Woman ♪ ♪ Woman ♪
2195 01:45:58,725 01:46:02,765 ♪ I can hardly express ♪ ♪ I can hardly express ♪
2196 01:46:02,766 01:46:04,765 ♪ My mixed emotions ♪ ♪ My mixed emotions ♪
2197 01:46:04,766 01:46:08,765 ♪ At my thoughtlessness ♪ ♪ At my thoughtlessness ♪
2198 01:46:08,766 01:46:14,099 ♪ After all, I'm forever in your debt ♪ ♪ After all, I'm forever in your debt ♪
2199 01:46:14,100 01:46:15,932 ♪ And, woman ♪ ♪ And, woman ♪
2200 01:46:15,933 01:46:18,724 - They had just finished their "Double Fantasy" album. - They had just finished their "Double Fantasy" album.
2201 01:46:18,725 01:46:20,349 I remember seeing the cover I remember seeing the cover
2202 01:46:20,350 01:46:23,765 and being very, uh, moved by it... and being very, uh, moved by it...
2203 01:46:23,766 01:46:25,516 because this was 1980. because this was 1980.
2204 01:46:25,517 01:46:27,932 Romance was not exactly number one on-- Romance was not exactly number one on--
2205 01:46:27,933 01:46:29,682 On anyone's list. On anyone's list.
2206 01:46:29,683 01:46:33,266 And--and I was very moved by seeing them kiss on that-- And--and I was very moved by seeing them kiss on that--
2207 01:46:33,267 01:46:35,141 on their album cover, and I thought, on their album cover, and I thought,
2208 01:46:35,142 01:46:38,974 "How simple, you know, how beautiful, you know." "How simple, you know, how beautiful, you know."
2209 01:46:38,975 01:46:43,474 And I wanted to try something of them, um, And I wanted to try something of them, um,
2210 01:46:43,475 01:46:45,599 of John and Yoko embracing. of John and Yoko embracing.
2211 01:46:54,641 01:46:56,932 ♪ Well, well ♪ ♪ Well, well ♪
2212 01:47:01,309 01:47:03,141 ♪ Woman ♪ ♪ Woman ♪
2213 01:47:03,142 01:47:05,349 - I remember arriving at the apartment that morning, - I remember arriving at the apartment that morning,
2214 01:47:05,350 01:47:08,266 and John taking me aside and saying, and John taking me aside and saying,
2215 01:47:08,267 01:47:10,433 "Listen, you know, I know they want to run me "Listen, you know, I know they want to run me
2216 01:47:10,434 01:47:13,057 "by myself on the cover, you know, but I don't want-- "by myself on the cover, you know, but I don't want--
2217 01:47:13,058 01:47:15,558 "I mean, I really want Yoko to be on the cover with me. "I mean, I really want Yoko to be on the cover with me.
2218 01:47:15,559 01:47:17,433 It's really important." It's really important."
2219 01:47:17,434 01:47:19,308 I said, "Well, we'll just have to do something I said, "Well, we'll just have to do something
2220 01:47:19,309 01:47:21,599 very, very strong." very, very strong."
2221 01:47:21,600 01:47:24,849 And Yoko, you know, at the last minute did not want And Yoko, you know, at the last minute did not want
2222 01:47:24,850 01:47:27,016 to take her clothes off. to take her clothes off.
2223 01:47:27,017 01:47:29,724 So, of course, when they lay down together and John was-- So, of course, when they lay down together and John was--
2224 01:47:29,725 01:47:34,433 John was nude, curled up, you know, against her clothed, John was nude, curled up, you know, against her clothed,
2225 01:47:34,434 01:47:36,724 I mean, he looked much more vulnerable. I mean, he looked much more vulnerable.
2226 01:47:36,725 01:47:39,099 - ♪ Well, well ♪ - ♪ Well, well ♪
2227 01:47:41,891 01:47:44,099 - I remember peeling the Polaroid - I remember peeling the Polaroid
2228 01:47:44,100 01:47:46,182 and him looking at it and saying, and him looking at it and saying,
2229 01:47:46,183 01:47:48,349 "This is it. This is our relationship." "This is it. This is our relationship."
2230 01:47:48,350 01:47:51,516 - ♪ Now and forever ♪ - ♪ Now and forever ♪
2231 01:47:51,517 01:47:54,890 ♪ I love ♪ ♪ I love ♪
2232 01:47:54,891 01:47:56,349 ♪ You ♪ ♪ You ♪
2233 01:47:56,350 01:47:58,682 - I'm in love with you. - I'm in love with you.
2234 01:47:58,683 01:48:02,349 - Unfortunately, I'm in love with you, too. - Unfortunately, I'm in love with you, too.
2235 01:48:02,350 01:48:06,349 - But in the end, I think we'll agree. - But in the end, I think we'll agree.
2236 01:48:06,350 01:48:08,849 - Fortunately, we don't know. - Fortunately, we don't know.
2237 01:48:08,850 01:48:11,058 But in the end, we'll find out. But in the end, we'll find out.
2238 01:48:12,808 01:48:15,057 - That was the last picture of him. - That was the last picture of him.
2239 01:48:15,058 01:48:19,224 Several hours later, John was murdered. Several hours later, John was murdered.
2240 01:48:19,225 01:48:21,558 December 8, 1980. December 8, 1980.
2241 01:48:24,891 01:48:27,682 - "Man shot, 1 West 72nd," - "Man shot, 1 West 72nd,"
2242 01:48:27,683 01:48:32,016 was the call on the police radio just before 11:00 p.m. was the call on the police radio just before 11:00 p.m.
2243 01:48:32,017 01:48:33,724 Officers Jim Moran and Bill Gamble Officers Jim Moran and Bill Gamble
2244 01:48:33,725 01:48:35,266 were in the third blue-and-white were in the third blue-and-white
2245 01:48:35,267 01:48:36,890 that screamed to a halt that screamed to a halt
2246 01:48:36,891 01:48:39,474 outside the Dakota apartment building. outside the Dakota apartment building.
2247 01:48:39,475 01:48:41,099 The man who had been shot The man who had been shot
2248 01:48:41,100 01:48:43,266 couldn't wait for an ambulance. couldn't wait for an ambulance.
2249 01:48:43,267 01:48:45,474 They stretched him out on the back seat of their car They stretched him out on the back seat of their car
2250 01:48:45,475 01:48:47,391 and raced to Roosevelt Hospital and raced to Roosevelt Hospital
2251 01:48:47,392 01:48:50,016 at the corner of 59th Street and 9th Avenue. at the corner of 59th Street and 9th Avenue.
2252 01:48:50,017 01:48:52,266 They lifted the bloody body onto a gurney They lifted the bloody body onto a gurney
2253 01:48:52,267 01:48:54,599 and wheeled it into the emergency room. and wheeled it into the emergency room.
2254 01:48:54,600 01:48:56,890 There was nothing the doctors could do. There was nothing the doctors could do.
2255 01:48:56,891 01:49:01,765 They pronounced John Lennon dead at 11:07 p.m. They pronounced John Lennon dead at 11:07 p.m.
2256 01:49:01,766 01:49:05,640 - ♪ We're afraid to be alone ♪ - ♪ We're afraid to be alone ♪
2257 01:49:05,641 01:49:10,099 - It's a tragedy for Yoko and her little kid. - It's a tragedy for Yoko and her little kid.
2258 01:49:10,100 01:49:11,974 What did it say about our times? What did it say about our times?
2259 01:49:11,975 01:49:14,182 What did it say about music itself? What did it say about music itself?
2260 01:49:14,183 01:49:17,890 Was all this violence hidden within it? Was all this violence hidden within it?
2261 01:49:17,891 01:49:22,266 - ♪ Just a boy and a little girl ♪ - ♪ Just a boy and a little girl ♪
2262 01:49:22,267 01:49:26,057 ♪ Trying to change the whole wide world ♪ ♪ Trying to change the whole wide world ♪
2263 01:49:26,058 01:49:29,224 ♪ I... ♪ ♪ I... ♪
2264 01:49:29,225 01:49:32,141 ♪ ..solation ♪ ♪ ..solation ♪
2265 01:49:32,142 01:49:35,474 - You know, is this-- did it have some seeds of evil? - You know, is this-- did it have some seeds of evil?
2266 01:49:35,475 01:49:39,807 Who could do such a thing? I mean, it's just a musician. Who could do such a thing? I mean, it's just a musician.
2267 01:49:39,808 01:49:41,558 - You knew him personally. - You knew him personally.
2268 01:49:41,559 01:49:44,391 - Yep. - What was he like? - Yep. - What was he like?
2269 01:49:44,392 01:49:46,558 - Oh, he was warm, and he was very witty, - Oh, he was warm, and he was very witty,
2270 01:49:46,559 01:49:50,724 very funny and very intense. very funny and very intense.
2271 01:49:50,725 01:49:52,974 John and the Beatles are a part of everybody's lives, John and the Beatles are a part of everybody's lives,
2272 01:49:52,975 01:49:55,182 and they die, and something in you dies, and they die, and something in you dies,
2273 01:49:55,183 01:49:58,141 and something about all your friends dies, and something about all your friends dies,
2274 01:49:58,142 01:50:00,141 and something about your life is-- and something about your life is--
2275 01:50:00,142 01:50:02,391 you know, you feel gone and concerned about it, you know, you feel gone and concerned about it,
2276 01:50:02,392 01:50:05,558 and it's the gathering together of a great family. and it's the gathering together of a great family.
2277 01:50:05,559 01:50:08,558 - How big is that family? - Very big, very big. - How big is that family? - Very big, very big.
2278 01:50:08,559 01:50:10,516 You know, it's the biggest family. You know, it's the biggest family.
2279 01:50:10,517 01:50:12,807 It's the whole--you know, it's really the whole world. It's the whole--you know, it's really the whole world.
2280 01:50:14,850 01:50:18,932 - ♪ I read the news day, oh, boy ♪ - ♪ I read the news day, oh, boy ♪
2281 01:50:20,683 01:50:25,224 ♪ About a lucky man who made the grade ♪ ♪ About a lucky man who made the grade ♪
2282 01:50:27,267 01:50:30,849 ♪ And though the news was rather sad ♪ ♪ And though the news was rather sad ♪
2283 01:50:33,350 01:50:37,016 ♪ Well, I just had to laugh ♪ ♪ Well, I just had to laugh ♪
2284 01:50:39,600 01:50:43,682 ♪ I saw the photograph ♪ ♪ I saw the photograph ♪
2285 01:50:45,766 01:50:48,599 - To hear John Lennon had been murdered by a fan, - To hear John Lennon had been murdered by a fan,
2286 01:50:48,600 01:50:51,558 that he had been killed for who and what he was, that he had been killed for who and what he was,
2287 01:50:51,559 01:50:54,891 was like watching someone you love being hit by a car. was like watching someone you love being hit by a car.
2288 01:50:56,434 01:50:59,807 I have my own reasons for caring about John Lennon-- I have my own reasons for caring about John Lennon--
2289 01:50:59,808 01:51:02,099 a song or a moment in "Help!" -- a song or a moment in "Help!" --
2290 01:51:02,100 01:51:05,057 that may never have affected you, that may never have affected you,
2291 01:51:05,058 01:51:08,599 but you have reasons that are fundamentally the same. but you have reasons that are fundamentally the same.
2292 01:51:08,600 01:51:10,682 And that's why it was other people's reaction And that's why it was other people's reaction
2293 01:51:10,683 01:51:12,890 to John Lennon's murder that produced in me to John Lennon's murder that produced in me
2294 01:51:12,891 01:51:15,599 the most overwhelming despair. the most overwhelming despair.
2295 01:51:15,600 01:51:18,558 Rock and roll works as common experience Rock and roll works as common experience
2296 01:51:18,559 01:51:20,182 and private obsession. and private obsession.
2297 01:51:20,183 01:51:22,558 The two can't really be separated. The two can't really be separated.
2298 01:51:22,559 01:51:25,891 Indeed, one fuels the other. Indeed, one fuels the other.
2299 01:51:27,808 01:51:31,224 - I came in, and they were mocking up covers - I came in, and they were mocking up covers
2300 01:51:31,225 01:51:32,807 just with John. just with John.
2301 01:51:32,808 01:51:34,433 You know, I had done some close-ups You know, I had done some close-ups
2302 01:51:34,434 01:51:36,391 of John's face and his head. of John's face and his head.
2303 01:51:36,392 01:51:39,266 And, um, you know, I went in to see Jann, And, um, you know, I went in to see Jann,
2304 01:51:39,267 01:51:42,599 and I said, "Jann, you know, I promised John and I said, "Jann, you know, I promised John
2305 01:51:42,600 01:51:46,933 that the cover would be, um, him and Yoko." that the cover would be, um, him and Yoko."
2306 01:51:51,434 01:51:53,559 And Jann backed me up. And Jann backed me up.
2307 01:51:55,683 01:52:00,099 He, you know--I said it was the last promise... He, you know--I said it was the last promise...
2308 01:52:00,100 01:52:02,891 You know, so... You know, so...
2309 01:52:16,100 01:52:21,141 - ♪ Grow old along with me ♪ - ♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2310 01:52:22,517 01:52:27,308 ♪ Our best is yet to be ♪ ♪ Our best is yet to be ♪
2311 01:52:29,808 01:52:33,682 ♪ When our time has come ♪ ♪ When our time has come ♪
2312 01:52:35,850 01:52:39,558 ♪ We will be as one ♪ ♪ We will be as one ♪
2313 01:52:41,933 01:52:45,308 ♪ God bless our love ♪ ♪ God bless our love ♪
2314 01:52:48,100 01:52:51,182 ♪ God bless our love ♪ ♪ God bless our love ♪
2315 01:53:01,517 01:53:07,640 ♪ Grow old along with me ♪ ♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2316 01:53:07,641 01:53:12,849 ♪ Two branches of one tree ♪ ♪ Two branches of one tree ♪
2317 01:53:15,142 01:53:20,682 ♪ Face the setting sun ♪ ♪ Face the setting sun ♪
2318 01:53:20,683 01:53:24,724 ♪ When the day is done ♪ ♪ When the day is done ♪
2319 01:53:26,850 01:53:30,516 ♪ God bless our love ♪ ♪ God bless our love ♪
2320 01:53:32,891 01:53:36,890 ♪ God bless our love ♪ ♪ God bless our love ♪
2321 01:53:51,058 01:53:55,765 ♪ Spending our lives together ♪ ♪ Spending our lives together ♪
2322 01:53:57,434 01:54:01,558 ♪ Man and wife together ♪ ♪ Man and wife together ♪
2323 01:54:01,559 01:54:04,516 ♪ World without end ♪ ♪ World without end ♪
2324 01:54:04,517 01:54:07,558 ♪ World without end ♪ ♪ World without end ♪
2325 01:54:18,475 01:54:24,682 ♪ Grow old along with me ♪ ♪ Grow old along with me ♪
2326 01:54:24,683 01:54:29,516 ♪ Whatever fate decrees ♪ ♪ Whatever fate decrees ♪
2327 01:54:32,100 01:54:36,266 ♪ We will see it through ♪ ♪ We will see it through ♪
2328 01:54:37,933 01:54:43,682 ♪ For our love is true ♪ ♪ For our love is true ♪
2329 01:54:43,683 01:54:47,142 ♪ God bless our love ♪ ♪ God bless our love ♪