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1 00:00:00,067 00:00:01,967 In the criminal justice system, In the criminal justice system,
2 00:00:01,968 00:00:04,168 The people are represented by two separate, The people are represented by two separate,
3 00:00:04,169 00:00:05,469 Yet equally important groups Yet equally important groups
4 00:00:05,470 00:00:07,770 The police who investigate crime The police who investigate crime
5 00:00:07,771 00:00:10,271 And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.
6 00:00:10,272 00:00:11,672 These are their stories. These are their stories.
7 00:00:16,573 00:00:18,073 Suspect's inside the apartament? Suspect's inside the apartament?
8 00:00:18,168 00:00:20,535 - Neighbors confirmed-- cedric stuber, - Neighbors confirmed-- cedric stuber,
9 00:00:20,603 00:00:22,037 Lives with his mother, third floor. Lives with his mother, third floor.
10 00:00:22,104 00:00:23,972 This is the gentleman that called in the tip. This is the gentleman that called in the tip.
11 00:00:24,039 00:00:25,726 - I recognized the guy from the police sketch. - I recognized the guy from the police sketch.
12 00:00:25,794 00:00:27,601 I followed him here, called 911. I followed him here, called 911.
13 00:00:27,669 00:00:30,861 He's the killer. - All right, stay here. He's the killer. - All right, stay here.
14 00:00:30,929 00:00:33,082 - N.Y.P.D. - N.Y.P.D.
15 00:00:33,150 00:00:34,587 - What is it? - What is it?
16 00:00:34,654 00:00:37,299 - We just have a few questions to ask you, ma'am. - We just have a few questions to ask you, ma'am.
17 00:00:37,366 00:00:39,012 - Quit yelling in the hallway. - Quit yelling in the hallway.
18 00:00:39,080 00:00:41,397 - Mrs. Stuber? - Yeah. What do you want? - Mrs. Stuber? - Yeah. What do you want?
19 00:00:41,464 00:00:43,903 - We'd like to talk to your son cedric. - We'd like to talk to your son cedric.
20 00:00:43,971 00:00:45,709 - He didn't do nothing. - He didn't do nothing.
21 00:00:45,777 00:00:48,380 [toilet flushes] - hey. [toilet flushes] - hey.
22 00:00:57,238 00:00:59,876 No, no. Hey! No, no. Hey!
23 00:00:59,944 00:01:02,879 [grunting] [grunting]
24 00:01:02,947 00:01:05,218 - Ah! - Ah!
25 00:01:05,285 00:01:07,755 - Let him go! - Let him go!
26 00:01:07,822 00:01:09,224 My baby! My baby! My baby! My baby!
27 00:01:09,292 00:01:10,460 - Hey! - Hey!
28 00:01:10,527 00:01:13,030 Get her out of here! - No! Get her out of here! - No!
29 00:01:13,098 00:01:14,767 No! No!
30 00:01:14,835 00:01:17,238 - That's him! That's the gay basher! - That's him! That's the gay basher!
31 00:01:17,306 00:01:19,910 - Why'd you kill him? Do you hate gays? - Why'd you kill him? Do you hate gays?
32 00:01:19,977 00:01:22,482 - Gay basher! - Gay basher! - Gay basher! - Gay basher!
33 00:01:22,549 00:01:23,951 - I'm bleeding. - I'm bleeding.
34 00:01:24,019 00:01:25,821 - We'll take care of you down at the station. - We'll take care of you down at the station.
35 00:01:25,889 00:01:28,492 Or you can ask one of these gentlemen for a band-aid. Or you can ask one of these gentlemen for a band-aid.
36 00:01:28,560 00:01:30,929 - Murderer! - Hater! - Murderer! - Hater!
37 00:01:30,997 00:01:33,366 - Gay basher! - Gay basher! - Gay basher! - Gay basher!
38 00:01:45,167 00:01:46,867 Sync: Adriano_CSI Sync: Adriano_CSI
39 00:02:20,299 00:02:21,532 - Where were you last Tuesday night? - Where were you last Tuesday night?
40 00:02:21,600 00:02:23,034 - Home with my mom. - Mm-hmm. - Home with my mom. - Mm-hmm.
41 00:02:23,101 00:02:24,435 What did the two of you do? What did the two of you do?
42 00:02:24,503 00:02:26,170 - I don't know-- watched tv. - I don't know-- watched tv.
43 00:02:26,237 00:02:29,171 - Which channel? - [laughs] I don't know. - Which channel? - [laughs] I don't know.
44 00:02:29,238 00:02:31,539 I was surfing. - Remember this guy? I was surfing. - Remember this guy?
45 00:02:31,607 00:02:33,673 - Uh, that--I got nothing to do with that. - Uh, that--I got nothing to do with that.
46 00:02:33,740 00:02:35,507 - So you do know what this is about. - So you do know what this is about.
47 00:02:35,575 00:02:38,743 - Yeah, I watch the news. - That guy you killed? - Yeah, I watch the news. - That guy you killed?
48 00:02:38,811 00:02:41,278 His partner got a real good look at you. His partner got a real good look at you.
49 00:02:41,346 00:02:43,513 - How'd it go down? - How'd it go down?
50 00:02:43,581 00:02:45,415 The victim say something? The victim say something?
51 00:02:45,483 00:02:48,316 Things got out of hand? - I didn't kill no gay dude. Things got out of hand? - I didn't kill no gay dude.
52 00:02:48,384 00:02:52,018 - It's beneath you, huh? - It's beneath you, huh?
53 00:02:52,086 00:02:54,253 Straight guys never have a problem Straight guys never have a problem
54 00:02:54,321 00:02:56,088 With two girls together. With two girls together.
55 00:02:56,156 00:02:57,923 It's kind of hot. It's kind of hot.
56 00:02:58,024 00:03:01,426 But two guys... But two guys...
57 00:03:03,328 00:03:06,030 It's the ass thing, right? It's the ass thing, right?
58 00:03:06,098 00:03:09,266 - Does that skeeve you, cedric? - Does that skeeve you, cedric?
59 00:03:09,334 00:03:10,801 Hmm? Hmm?
60 00:03:10,869 00:03:13,270 Imagining what two guys do together-- Imagining what two guys do together--
61 00:03:13,337 00:03:14,737 The ins, the outs, what goes where? The ins, the outs, what goes where?
62 00:03:14,805 00:03:16,772 - Doesn't bother me. - Doesn't bother me.
63 00:03:16,840 00:03:19,475 - Oka-- maybe he likes it. - Oka-- maybe he likes it.
64 00:03:19,543 00:03:21,744 Is that--is that it? Is that--is that it?
65 00:03:21,812 00:03:23,912 Maybe that's why you were downtown, Maybe that's why you were downtown,
66 00:03:23,980 00:03:27,048 Looking for a little taste... Looking for a little taste...
67 00:03:27,116 00:03:30,450 Something on the down low? Something on the down low?
68 00:03:30,518 00:03:31,951 Hmm? Hmm?
69 00:03:32,019 00:03:34,286 - You like a nice ass on a man, cedric? - You like a nice ass on a man, cedric?
70 00:03:34,354 00:03:36,788 - Shut up! You shut up! - Shut up! You shut up!
71 00:03:36,856 00:03:39,891 I ain't no fag. I ain't no fag.
72 00:03:39,959 00:03:41,125 - Stuber's our guy-- - Stuber's our guy--
73 00:03:41,193 00:03:43,528 Access to the weapon, shaky alibi, the hoodie. Access to the weapon, shaky alibi, the hoodie.
74 00:03:43,596 00:03:45,696 C.S.U. Just couldn't find physical evidence. C.S.U. Just couldn't find physical evidence.
75 00:03:45,764 00:03:48,631 - So the case hangs on the I.D. - So the case hangs on the I.D.
76 00:03:48,699 00:03:50,966 Mr. Sorrentino, how you doing? Mr. Sorrentino, how you doing?
77 00:03:51,034 00:03:54,235 - Every time I come down here, it's like reliving that night. - Every time I come down here, it's like reliving that night.
78 00:03:54,303 00:03:55,902 So I hope we're not wasting our time. So I hope we're not wasting our time.
79 00:03:55,970 00:03:59,608 - You're not wasting your time today. - You're not wasting your time today.
80 00:04:01,843 00:04:03,777 - Take a few extra minutes if you need. - Take a few extra minutes if you need.
81 00:04:03,845 00:04:06,913 - No. I recognize him. - No. I recognize him.
82 00:04:06,981 00:04:08,781 Number three. Number three.
83 00:04:08,849 00:04:10,817 - You sure? - You sure?
84 00:04:10,885 00:04:14,420 - I'm positive. That's the man who killed alan. - I'm positive. That's the man who killed alan.
85 00:04:14,487 00:04:17,089 I'll never forget that face. I'll never forget that face.
86 00:04:17,156 00:04:19,624 - Charge mr. Stuber with murder. - Charge mr. Stuber with murder.
87 00:04:19,691 00:04:22,159 - Thank you, mr. Sorrentino. I'll walk you out. - Thank you, mr. Sorrentino. I'll walk you out.
88 00:04:22,227 00:04:25,561 I'll be gone for a few hours. I'll be gone for a few hours.
89 00:04:27,297 00:04:29,098 - You're charging him on one I. - You're charging him on one I.
90 00:04:29,166 00:04:32,502 The gay community must have the d.A.'s office by the balls. The gay community must have the d.A.'s office by the balls.
91 00:04:32,570 00:04:35,371 - Seyou in court, mr. Gilman. - Seyou in court, mr. Gilman.
92 00:04:35,439 00:04:38,407 - Thanks. I know you're doing everything you can. - Thanks. I know you're doing everything you can.
93 00:04:38,475 00:04:40,308 The accelerator machine is down. The accelerator machine is down.
94 00:04:40,376 00:04:42,977 They got a technician working on it. They got a technician working on it.
95 00:04:43,045 00:04:47,381 - How long? - She couldn't tell me. - How long? - She couldn't tell me.
96 00:04:47,449 00:04:49,182 - All these people ahead of me-- - All these people ahead of me--
97 00:04:49,250 00:04:51,150 I can't take this kind of time. I can't take this kind of time.
98 00:04:51,218 00:04:53,752 - You can, and you will, babe. - You can, and you will, babe.
99 00:04:56,055 00:04:59,591 I'm gonna get you some new magazines. I'm gonna get you some new magazines.
100 00:05:10,399 00:05:12,267 - Is that your husband? [clears throat] - Is that your husband? [clears throat]
101 00:05:12,335 00:05:13,769 [both chuckle] [both chuckle]
102 00:05:13,836 00:05:15,703 - Boyfriend. - Mm. - Boyfriend. - Mm.
103 00:05:15,771 00:05:17,105 He's nice. He's nice.
104 00:05:17,172 00:05:18,706 - Yep. - Yep.
105 00:05:18,773 00:05:21,708 - You're lucky to have somebody wait with you. - You're lucky to have somebody wait with you.
106 00:05:21,776 00:05:24,376 - Well, I haven't seen you before. - Well, I haven't seen you before.
107 00:05:24,444 00:05:26,711 It's your first time? - Yeah. It's your first time? - Yeah.
108 00:05:26,779 00:05:29,447 Radiation newbie-- that's me. Radiation newbie-- that's me.
109 00:05:32,883 00:05:37,386 My oncologist says that radiation is the last chance, My oncologist says that radiation is the last chance,
110 00:05:37,454 00:05:41,188 That if this doesn't work, then they can't operate. That if this doesn't work, then they can't operate.
111 00:05:41,256 00:05:45,024 - That's what they say. - That's what they say.
112 00:05:45,092 00:05:47,292 - Like, the treatment... - Like, the treatment...
113 00:05:47,360 00:05:50,297 Burns you up inside... Burns you up inside...
114 00:05:50,364 00:05:53,066 Melts everything together. Melts everything together.
115 00:05:56,736 00:06:01,239 - Radiation is strong because it has to be. - Radiation is strong because it has to be.
116 00:06:01,307 00:06:03,942 That's why it works. That's why it works.
117 00:06:04,010 00:06:06,478 So you keep thinking about that-- So you keep thinking about that--
118 00:06:06,545 00:06:10,615 The x-rays destroying the cancer. The x-rays destroying the cancer.
119 00:06:10,682 00:06:12,949 - [sniffles] okay. - [sniffles] okay.
120 00:06:13,017 00:06:15,051 - Okay. - Okay.
121 00:06:15,119 00:06:18,754 - You're a tough girl. - You're a tough girl.
122 00:06:18,822 00:06:22,391 I can tell. I can tell.
123 00:06:29,664 00:06:31,765 - [on recording] my husband has been attacked. - [on recording] my husband has been attacked.
124 00:06:31,833 00:06:33,734 There is blood everywhere. There is blood everywhere.
125 00:06:33,802 00:06:37,738 It was a white kid in a yellow sweatshirt. It was a white kid in a yellow sweatshirt.
126 00:06:37,806 00:06:40,574 He had some kind of razor. He had some kind of razor.
127 00:06:40,642 00:06:43,109 Help us! Alan is bleeding to death! Help us! Alan is bleeding to death!
128 00:06:43,177 00:06:45,078 - That's you on the tape. - That's you on the tape.
129 00:06:45,145 00:06:47,145 - Yes. [clears throat] - Yes. [clears throat]
130 00:06:47,213 00:06:48,613 - Please tell us what happened - Please tell us what happened
131 00:06:48,681 00:06:50,981 To you and alan camden that night. To you and alan camden that night.
132 00:06:51,049 00:06:54,717 - We were walking home from a party. - We were walking home from a party.
133 00:06:54,785 00:06:57,220 We were holding hands. We were holding hands.
134 00:06:57,288 00:07:01,757 A man on the street saw us, and he spi A man on the street saw us, and he spi
135 00:07:01,825 00:07:04,659 And he said, "what are you looking at, fags?" And he said, "what are you looking at, fags?"
136 00:07:04,727 00:07:06,728 - Do you see that man in the courtroom? - Do you see that man in the courtroom?
137 00:07:06,795 00:07:07,828 - Yes. - Yes.
138 00:07:07,896 00:07:10,664 The defendant. The defendant.
139 00:07:10,732 00:07:13,433 - Then what happened? - Then what happened?
140 00:07:13,501 00:07:15,902 - Alan yelled back. - Alan yelled back.
141 00:07:15,969 00:07:18,037 He always had a short fuse. He always had a short fuse.
142 00:07:18,104 00:07:21,773 The man pulled out a box cutter and attacked alan-- The man pulled out a box cutter and attacked alan--
143 00:07:21,841 00:07:24,242 Blood spurting everywhere. Blood spurting everywhere.
144 00:07:24,309 00:07:27,511 I tried to get in between them, I tried to get in between them,
145 00:07:27,579 00:07:30,281 But he had sliced alan's neck. But he had sliced alan's neck.
146 00:07:30,348 00:07:32,416 Alan fell... Alan fell...
147 00:07:32,484 00:07:33,517 Bleeding. Bleeding.
148 00:07:33,585 00:07:36,520 - And what did mr. Stuber do then? - And what did mr. Stuber do then?
149 00:07:36,587 00:07:41,189 - He looked at me, and he said... - He looked at me, and he said...
150 00:07:41,257 00:07:45,159 "keep your mouth shut, faggot, or you'll be next." "keep your mouth shut, faggot, or you'll be next."
151 00:07:46,828 00:07:49,329 - Thank you. - Thank you.
152 00:07:49,397 00:07:52,831 - I'm sorry for your loss, sir. - I'm sorry for your loss, sir.
153 00:07:52,899 00:07:55,034 What--what time were you and your partner What--what time were you and your partner
154 00:07:55,102 00:07:56,269 Walking home from the party? Walking home from the party?
155 00:07:56,336 00:07:58,036 - A little after 10:00. - A little after 10:00.
156 00:07:58,104 00:08:00,205 And alan was more than my partner. And alan was more than my partner.
157 00:08:00,273 00:08:01,373 We were married. We were married.
158 00:08:01,441 00:08:04,776 - Of crse. So it was dark out. - Of crse. So it was dark out.
159 00:08:04,843 00:08:07,345 Had you been drinking? - No. I don't drink. Had you been drinking? - No. I don't drink.
160 00:08:07,412 00:08:10,213 - How about drugs? - Objection. Relevance. - How about drugs? - Objection. Relevance.
161 00:08:10,281 00:08:13,216 - People's 12-- the victim's tox report. - People's 12-- the victim's tox report.
162 00:08:13,283 00:08:16,051 Alan camden had... Alan camden had...
163 00:08:16,119 00:08:18,420 Meamphetamine and marijuana in his system Meamphetamine and marijuana in his system
164 00:08:18,488 00:08:19,554 When he was killed. When he was killed.
165 00:08:19,622 00:08:20,989 I'm trying to determine if the witness I'm trying to determine if the witness
166 00:08:21,057 00:08:22,557 Was also under the influence. Was also under the influence.
167 00:08:22,625 00:08:23,591 - I'll allow it. - I'll allow it.
168 00:08:23,659 00:08:25,659 - I had one or two hits off a joint. - I had one or two hits off a joint.
169 00:08:25,727 00:08:26,893 I dot do hard drugs. I dot do hard drugs.
170 00:08:26,961 00:08:28,828 - When you picked my client out of the lineup, - When you picked my client out of the lineup,
171 00:08:28,896 00:08:31,397 How much time had passed since the attack? How much time had passed since the attack?
172 00:08:31,465 00:08:33,332 - Two weeks. - Two weeks.
173 00:08:33,400 00:08:35,300 - Two weeks after the fact, - Two weeks after the fact,
174 00:08:35,368 00:08:37,836 You were able to recall a total stranger You were able to recall a total stranger
175 00:08:37,903 00:08:40,738 Whom you had seen for a matter of seconds Whom you had seen for a matter of seconds
176 00:08:40,806 00:08:44,041 On a dark night when you were high on pot. On a dark night when you were high on pot.
177 00:08:44,109 00:08:45,075 - Yes. - Yes.
178 00:08:45,143 00:08:46,676 I'm sure it was him. I'm sure it was him.
179 00:08:46,744 00:08:50,012 - I'm sure you believe that. - I'm sure you believe that.
180 00:08:50,080 00:08:52,948 Nothing further. Nothing further.
181 00:08:55,117 00:08:56,684 - Cedric's a good boy. - Cedric's a good boy.
182 00:08:56,752 00:08:58,853 He works driving a truck. He works driving a truck.
183 00:08:58,921 00:09:00,588 He pays rent, buys groceries. He pays rent, buys groceries.
184 00:09:00,656 00:09:02,857 - Where was cedric the night of January 12th - Where was cedric the night of January 12th
185 00:09:02,924 00:09:04,058 Around 10:00? Around 10:00?
186 00:09:04,125 00:09:06,426 - Home with me on the couch. - Home with me on the couch.
187 00:09:06,494 00:09:08,429 We were watching tv. We were watching tv.
188 00:09:08,496 00:09:10,063 - Have you ever known your son - Have you ever known your son
189 00:09:10,131 00:09:12,865 To make any antihomosexual remarks, mrs. Stuber? To make any antihomosexual remarks, mrs. Stuber?
190 00:09:12,933 00:09:14,400 - Absolutely not. - Absolutely not.
191 00:09:14,468 00:09:16,702 He wasn't raised that way. He wasn't raised that way.
192 00:09:16,770 00:09:18,604 - Nothing further. - Nothing further.
193 00:09:20,573 00:09:21,840 - At television program - At television program
194 00:09:21,907 00:09:24,208 Were you watching that night, mrs. Stuber? Were you watching that night, mrs. Stuber?
195 00:09:24,276 00:09:25,642 - A reality show-- - A reality show--
196 00:09:25,710 00:09:28,145 Project designer. Project designer.
197 00:09:28,212 00:09:31,581 - You and cedric were watching this program together? - You and cedric were watching this program together?
198 00:09:31,648 00:09:33,249 - That's right. - That's right.
199 00:09:33,316 00:09:35,984 - Well, let me ask you something, mrs. Stuber. - Well, let me ask you something, mrs. Stuber.
200 00:09:36,052 00:09:39,554 Do you consider yourself a good role model for your son? Do you consider yourself a good role model for your son?
201 00:09:39,622 00:09:42,223 - Yes. I do. - Yes. I do.
202 00:09:42,290 00:09:43,924 - Cedric listens to you. - Cedric listens to you.
203 00:09:43,992 00:09:46,993 He shares your ethics and your morals? He shares your ethics and your morals?
204 00:09:47,061 00:09:49,862 - Yes. I taught him well. - Yes. I taught him well.
205 00:09:49,930 00:09:53,599 - Project designer-- what kind of show is that? - Project designer-- what kind of show is that?
206 00:09:53,633 00:09:56,635 - It's a contest about fashion design. - It's a contest about fashion design.
207 00:09:56,702 00:10:00,071 I watch it because I like to make my own dresses I watch it because I like to make my own dresses
208 00:10:00,138 00:10:03,807 - And a lot of the contestants are gay, aren't they? - And a lot of the contestants are gay, aren't they?
209 00:10:03,875 00:10:05,275 - I supposso. - I supposso.
210 00:10:05,343 00:10:07,143 - So your son likes watching - So your son likes watching
211 00:10:07,211 00:10:12,081 Gay fashion designers onhe couch with his mom. Gay fashion designers onhe couch with his mom.
212 00:10:12,149 00:10:14,750 Some people might consider that a little girly. Some people might consider that a little girly.
213 00:10:14,817 00:10:17,685 - He only watches it because I like it. - He only watches it because I like it.
214 00:10:17,753 00:10:19,554 - Well, have you ever considered the possibility - Well, have you ever considered the possibility
215 00:10:19,621 00:10:20,688 That he likes it? That he likes it?
216 00:10:20,756 00:10:21,922 - No. - No.
217 00:10:21,990 00:10:24,124 - That he enjoys watching gay men? - That he enjoys watching gay men?
218 00:10:24,192 00:10:25,492 - That's not true. - That's not true.
219 00:10:25,560 00:10:27,928 - He enjoys watching them and fantasizing about them. - He enjoys watching them and fantasizing about them.
220 00:10:27,995 00:10:30,530 - He's not one of them. He's not a sissy. - He's not one of them. He's not a sissy.
221 00:10:30,597 00:10:32,431 My boy's not gay. How dare you? My boy's not gay. How dare you?
222 00:10:32,499 00:10:36,433 That's disgusting. That's disgusting.
223 00:10:36,501 00:10:39,302 - Like you said, mrs. Stuber, - Like you said, mrs. Stuber,
224 00:10:39,370 00:10:42,004 You taught your son well. You taught your son well.
225 00:10:42,071 00:10:44,672 Nothing further. Nothing further.
226 00:10:49,779 00:10:52,281 - On the count of murder in the second degree, - On the count of murder in the second degree,
227 00:10:52,349 00:10:53,616 How do you find? How do you find?
228 00:10:53,683 00:10:55,584 - We find the defeant guilty. - We find the defeant guilty.
229 00:10:55,618 00:10:57,952 [scattered applause] [scattered applause]
230 00:10:58,020 00:11:00,588 - The defendant is remanded for sentencing. - The defendant is remanded for sentencing.
231 00:11:03,626 00:11:06,194 - Thank you, mr. Cutter, for alan. - Thank you, mr. Cutter, for alan.
232 00:11:06,262 00:11:08,396 I can'help thinking maybe somehow I can'help thinking maybe somehow
233 00:11:08,463 00:11:10,631 He's more at peace now. He's more at peace now.
234 00:11:10,699 00:11:13,767 We both are. We both are.
235 00:11:16,970 00:11:19,038 - Request for interviews from out magazine, - Request for interviews from out magazine,
236 00:11:19,106 00:11:21,073 The advocate, and... [chuckles] The advocate, and... [chuckles]
237 00:11:21,141 00:11:22,408 I've been invited to speak I've been invited to speak
238 00:11:22,475 00:11:24,376 At the next l.A.G.L.A. Convention. At the next l.A.G.L.A. Convention.
239 00:11:24,444 00:11:26,377 - Well, I hear they have the best parties. - Well, I hear they have the best parties.
240 00:11:26,445 00:11:28,979 - Hold up on the self-congratulations. - Hold up on the self-congratulations.
241 00:11:29,047 00:11:31,215 The hudson university innocence coalition The hudson university innocence coalition
242 00:11:31,282 00:11:34,017 Is taking on cedric stuber's defense. Is taking on cedric stuber's defense.
243 00:11:34,085 00:11:36,752 They just filed a motion to set aside the verdict. They just filed a motion to set aside the verdict.
244 00:11:36,820 00:11:38,921 - What, within hours of stuber's conviction? - What, within hours of stuber's conviction?
245 00:11:38,989 00:11:40,489 - Apparently, they found new evidence - Apparently, they found new evidence
246 00:11:40,557 00:11:42,591 They're claiming we overlooked They're claiming we overlooked
247 00:11:42,658 00:11:44,959 In our overzealous rush to judgment. In our overzealous rush to judgment.
248 00:11:45,027 00:11:49,797 And guess who signed the motion. And guess who signed the motion.
249 00:11:49,865 00:11:52,066 - "emily ryan." - "emily ryan."
250 00:11:52,134 00:11:53,834 - The head of the innocence coalition. - The head of the innocence coalition.
251 00:11:53,902 00:11:56,636 - My old law professor... [paper rustling] - My old law professor... [paper rustling]
252 00:11:56,704 00:11:58,338 And mentor. And mentor.
253 00:11:58,406 00:12:01,240 - I guess she's not done schooling you. - I guess she's not done schooling you.
254 00:12:05,085 00:12:06,352 - After the verdict, - After the verdict,
255 00:12:06,419 00:12:08,520 A concerned citizen called mr. Stuber's attorney A concerned citizen called mr. Stuber's attorney
256 00:12:08,588 00:12:10,287 With new evidence. With new evidence.
257 00:12:10,355 00:12:12,322 The attorney contacted us to help file an appeal. The attorney contacted us to help file an appeal.
258 00:12:12,390 00:12:14,490 - D we felt compelled to act immediately. - D we felt compelled to act immediately.
259 00:12:14,558 00:12:17,993 - Th citizen claimed what exactly? - Th citizen claimed what exactly?
260 00:12:18,061 00:12:20,495 - Come on, mike, I made you earn every grade. - Come on, mike, I made you earn every grade.
261 00:12:20,563 00:12:22,764 I won't give you a preview of our case I won't give you a preview of our case
262 00:12:22,831 00:12:24,665 So you can eviscerate it. So you can eviscerate it.
263 00:12:24,733 00:12:26,433 - We'll need the name of that witness. - We'll need the name of that witness.
264 00:12:26,501 00:12:28,302 - Of course. Lisa... - Of course. Lisa...
265 00:12:28,369 00:12:30,270 - Sylvia corgan. - Sylvia corgan.
266 00:12:30,339 00:12:33,673 I'll get you her contact information. I'll get you her contact information.
267 00:12:33,740 00:12:36,041 - Well, thank you for your time, professor ryan. - Well, thank you for your time, professor ryan.
268 00:12:36,109 00:12:38,210 - Emily, please. - Emily, please.
269 00:12:38,277 00:12:41,346 And don't take this as a personal attack. And don't take this as a personal attack.
270 00:12:41,414 00:12:44,215 I know that we're both only interested in justi. I know that we're both only interested in justi.
271 00:12:49,687 00:12:51,784 - I had information about jon sorrentino, - I had information about jon sorrentino,
272 00:12:51,852 00:12:53,515 The victim's husband. The victim's husband.
273 00:12:53,582 00:12:55,516 I thought someone should know. I thought someone should know.
274 00:12:55,583 00:12:58,351 He has another boyfriend. - Well, how do you know that? He has another boyfriend. - Well, how do you know that?
275 00:12:58,419 00:13:01,353 - I had a house on the market in the pines, fire island. - I had a house on the market in the pines, fire island.
276 00:13:01,421 00:13:04,188 My buyer, ted wilson, said before he made a final decision, My buyer, ted wilson, said before he made a final decision,
277 00:13:04,256 00:13:06,991 He wanted his associate to come by and see the place. He wanted his associate to come by and see the place.
278 00:13:07,058 00:13:09,627 So a month ago he brings over his so-called associate. So a month ago he brings over his so-called associate.
279 00:13:09,694 00:13:11,194 It was jon sorrentino. It was jon sorrentino.
280 00:13:11,262 00:13:13,062 - "so-called"? - "so-called"?
281 00:13:13,130 00:13:15,530 - They were kissing when ey thought I wasn't looking. - They were kissing when ey thought I wasn't looking.
282 00:13:15,598 00:13:17,899 I didn't think anying of it at the time. I didn't think anying of it at the time.
283 00:13:17,967 00:13:19,533 - When did you think something of it? - When did you think something of it?
284 00:13:19,601 00:13:21,401 - When I saw the paper here with this picture in it, - When I saw the paper here with this picture in it,
285 00:13:21,469 00:13:22,869 I realized I had seen him before. I realized I had seen him before.
286 00:13:22,937 00:13:24,370 His husband gets brutally murdered, His husband gets brutally murdered,
287 00:13:24,438 00:13:27,039 Then two days later, he's kissing another man? Then two days later, he's kissing another man?
288 00:13:27,106 00:13:29,240 Please. Please.
289 00:13:29,308 00:13:31,142 - The real estate agent's a busybody. - The real estate agent's a busybody.
290 00:13:31,210 00:13:33,244 - But you did buy a house with jon sorrentino. - But you did buy a house with jon sorrentino.
291 00:13:33,312 00:13:34,979 - As a rental property. He's a client. - As a rental property. He's a client.
292 00:13:35,047 00:13:36,580 I did a design consultation for him I did a design consultation for him
293 00:13:36,648 00:13:38,348 Onis adirondacks house a year ago-- Onis adirondacks house a year ago--
294 00:13:38,416 00:13:40,083 The house he owned with alan. The house he owned with alan.
295 00:13:40,150 00:13:42,050 - So you and jon aren't involved. - So you and jon aren't involved.
296 00:13:42,118 00:13:43,518 - [scoffs] on as business partners. - [scoffs] on as business partners.
297 00:13:43,586 00:13:45,087 - Then why did the real estate agent - Then why did the real estate agent
298 00:13:45,155 00:13:47,757 Tell us you were kissing him? Tell us you were kissing him?
299 00:13:47,825 00:13:49,491 - I was consoling a friend - I was consoling a friend
300 00:13:49,559 00:13:51,726 Who'd suffered an unimaginable loss. Who'd suffered an unimaginable loss.
301 00:13:51,794 00:13:54,328 Two gay men can be affectionate without it being sexual, Two gay men can be affectionate without it being sexual,
302 00:13:54,396 00:13:55,562 Just like you two. Just like you two.
303 00:13:55,630 00:13:57,496 - Don't play cute with us, mr. Wilson. - Don't play cute with us, mr. Wilson.
304 00:13:57,564 00:13:59,431 Wh the police look into this, Wh the police look into this,
305 00:13:59,499 00:14:00,932 What else are they gonna find out What else are they gonna find out
306 00:14:01,000 00:14:04,601 About your relationship with mr. Sorreino? About your relationship with mr. Sorreino?
307 00:14:04,669 00:14:08,604 - Okay. We weren't together then. - Okay. We weren't together then.
308 00:14:08,672 00:14:10,973 But things developed. We're a couple now. But things developed. We're a couple now.
309 00:14:11,040 00:14:13,909 - Then why the charade? - Jon knew how it would look. - Then why the charade? - Jon knew how it would look.
310 00:14:13,977 00:14:17,979 We thought it was better to keep it quiet. We thought it was better to keep it quiet.
311 00:14:18,047 00:14:19,215 - Jon sorrentino is listed - Jon sorrentino is listed
312 00:14:19,282 00:14:21,217 As co-owner of the fire island pines house. As co-owner of the fire island pines house.
313 00:14:21,285 00:14:23,218 Went into contract three days after the murder. Went into contract three days after the murder.
314 00:14:23,286 00:14:24,619 - Well, it could be legit. - Well, it could be legit.
315 00:14:24,687 00:14:27,221 Ted wilsonays they didn't start a relationship Ted wilsonays they didn't start a relationship
316 00:14:27,289 00:14:28,690 Until after alan died. Until after alan died.
317 00:14:28,757 00:14:30,524 - Which sorrentino didn't mention. - Which sorrentino didn't mention.
318 00:14:30,592 00:14:32,259 A one-witness case-- we need to make sure A one-witness case-- we need to make sure
319 00:14:32,327 00:14:34,394 This witness didn't have his own motive. This witness didn't have his own motive.
320 00:14:34,462 00:14:36,162 - It doesn't change the fact that sorrentino - It doesn't change the fact that sorrentino
321 00:14:36,230 00:14:38,031 Picked stuber out of the lineup. Picked stuber out of the lineup.
322 00:14:38,098 00:14:40,532 - Somebody took a picture of stuber when we arrested him - Somebody took a picture of stuber when we arrested him
323 00:14:40,600 00:14:44,869 And posted it that day on a gay rights blog. And posted it that day on a gay rights blog.
324 00:14:44,937 00:14:47,038 Sorrentino could have seen it Sorrentino could have seen it
325 00:14:47,105 00:14:48,639 Before he came in for the lineup. Before he came in for the lineup.
326 00:14:48,707 00:14:49,873 - Let's subpoena the blog - Let's subpoena the blog
327 00:14:49,941 00:14:52,675 And find out if sorrentino visited the website. And find out if sorrentino visited the website.
328 00:14:52,743 00:14:54,043 - We should also find out - We should also find out
329 00:14:54,110 00:14:56,545 If he was involved with ted wilson before alan's murder. If he was involved with ted wilson before alan's murder.
330 00:14:56,613 00:14:58,179 - According to his phone records, - According to his phone records,
331 00:14:58,247 00:15:00,281 He called ted a few times. He called ted a few times.
332 00:15:00,348 00:15:02,883 And then there's this... And then there's this...
333 00:15:02,950 00:15:05,384 A series of calls two months ago A series of calls two months ago
334 00:15:05,452 00:15:07,920 To holt, levy, and trachtenberg-- To holt, levy, and trachtenberg--
335 00:15:07,988 00:15:09,988 Divorce lawyers. Divorce lawyers.
336 00:15:12,091 00:15:14,025 - Alan and I had a bad week. - Alan and I had a bad week.
337 00:15:14,092 00:15:16,226 We were fighting. He was using drugs. We were fighting. He was using drugs.
338 00:15:16,294 00:15:18,461 - So you wanted to get a divorce. - So you wanted to get a divorce.
339 00:15:18,529 00:15:20,730 - I wanted to know my options. - I wanted to know my options.
340 00:15:20,797 00:15:22,598 We were married in massachusetts We were married in massachusetts
341 00:15:22,665 00:15:24,032 Where gay marriage is legal, Where gay marriage is legal,
342 00:15:24,100 00:15:26,301 But we live in new york where it's not. But we live in new york where it's not.
343 00:15:26,369 00:15:27,903 So we couldn't get divorced here. So we couldn't get divorced here.
344 00:15:27,971 00:15:30,373 - So you're stuck in the marriage. - So you're stuck in the marriage.
345 00:15:30,441 00:15:32,141 - Till death do you part. - Till death do you part.
346 00:15:32,208 00:15:34,343 - What? - What?
347 00:15:34,411 00:15:37,713 No. I just didn't want to be married anymore. No. I just didn't want to be married anymore.
348 00:15:37,781 00:15:39,614 - Was this before or after - Was this before or after
349 00:15:39,682 00:15:43,217 You got involved with ted wilson? You got involved with ted wilson?
350 00:15:43,285 00:15:45,218 - [sighs] - [sighs]
351 00:15:45,286 00:15:47,554 Okay... Okay...
352 00:15:47,621 00:15:50,488 I should have told you about that. I should have told you about that.
353 00:15:50,556 00:15:52,457 We were trying to be discreet, We were trying to be discreet,
354 00:15:52,524 00:15:54,591 Be--because I thought it would look bad. Be--because I thought it would look bad.
355 00:15:54,659 00:15:55,859 - Guess what. It looks bad. - Guess what. It looks bad.
356 00:15:55,926 00:15:57,427 You want to get rid of your husband. You want to get rid of your husband.
357 00:15:57,495 00:15:59,128 A few weeks later, he winds up dead. A few weeks later, he winds up dead.
358 00:15:59,196 00:16:01,229 - Alan was killed by cedric stuber. - Alan was killed by cedric stuber.
359 00:16:01,297 00:16:03,198 He was yelling gay epithets. He was yelling gay epithets.
360 00:16:03,265 00:16:05,733 This was a hate crime! - Okay. This was a hate crime! - Okay.
361 00:16:05,800 00:16:07,901 Anything else you wanted to be discreet about? Anything else you wanted to be discreet about?
362 00:16:07,969 00:16:09,837 - Nothing. - Nothing.
363 00:16:09,904 00:16:11,104 I wanted out of the marriage, I wanted out of the marriage,
364 00:16:11,172 00:16:14,607 But I did not kill my husband. But I did not kill my husband.
365 00:16:14,675 00:16:16,275 - Either jon was telling the truth, - Either jon was telling the truth,
366 00:16:16,343 00:16:18,277 And his husband was gay-bashed to death... And his husband was gay-bashed to death...
367 00:16:18,345 00:16:20,012 - Or he's lying. - Right. - Or he's lying. - Right.
368 00:16:20,079 00:16:22,013 He found someone to kill his husband He found someone to kill his husband
369 00:16:22,081 00:16:23,781 And pass it off as gay bashing. And pass it off as gay bashing.
370 00:16:23,849 00:16:26,784 - That doesn't explain his I.D.Ing stuber at the lineup. - That doesn't explain his I.D.Ing stuber at the lineup.
371 00:16:26,852 00:16:29,052 - Or he did see stuber's photo on the blog. - Or he did see stuber's photo on the blog.
372 00:16:29,120 00:16:30,453 - Not to mention you told him - Not to mention you told him
373 00:16:30,521 00:16:33,456 He wouldn't be wasting his time with the lineup. He wouldn't be wasting his time with the lineup.
374 00:16:33,524 00:16:34,957 - I doubt that had any influence. - I doubt that had any influence.
375 00:16:35,025 00:16:37,792 - You hope it didn't. That was a dumb thing to say. - You hope it didn't. That was a dumb thing to say.
376 00:16:37,860 00:16:40,061 And emily ryan's gonna jump all over it. And emily ryan's gonna jump all over it.
377 00:16:40,128 00:16:42,495 Make sure you prosecuted the right man. Make sure you prosecuted the right man.
378 00:16:42,563 00:16:45,230 - Okay. Is there any evidence - Okay. Is there any evidence
379 00:16:45,297 00:16:47,198 Sorrentino visited the blog before the lineup? Sorrentino visited the blog before the lineup?
380 00:16:47,266 00:16:49,067 - Well, there's a hit from an I.P. Address - Well, there's a hit from an I.P. Address
381 00:16:49,137 00:16:51,876 That we traced back to a hedge fund where he works. That we traced back to a hedge fund where he works.
382 00:16:51,944 00:16:53,145 - That doesn't mean anything. - That doesn't mean anything.
383 00:16:53,213 00:16:54,513 There's 30 people in that office. There's 30 people in that office.
384 00:16:54,581 00:16:55,948 - Mike, the innocence coalition's - Mike, the innocence coalition's
385 00:16:56,016 00:16:57,416 Gonna make it mean something. Gonna make it mean something.
386 00:17:02,121 00:17:04,623 - Mr. Sorrentino's credibility is undermined - Mr. Sorrentino's credibility is undermined
387 00:17:04,690 00:17:06,891 By his silence about his marital troubles. By his silence about his marital troubles.
388 00:17:06,959 00:17:09,727 And his I.D. Of mr. Stuber was tainted And his I.D. Of mr. Stuber was tainted
389 00:17:09,795 00:17:11,329 When mr. Cutter stated When mr. Cutter stated
390 00:17:11,397 00:17:14,365 That he "wouldn't be wasting his time" That he "wouldn't be wasting his time"
391 00:17:14,433 00:17:16,100 Viewing this lineup. Viewing this lineup.
392 00:17:16,168 00:17:18,603 - I, in no way, indicated which person he should identify. - I, in no way, indicated which person he should identify.
393 00:17:18,670 00:17:22,240 - If his witness saw a photo of my client on a blog, - If his witness saw a photo of my client on a blog,
394 00:17:22,308 00:17:25,176 Well, he would already know who to I.D. Well, he would already know who to I.D.
395 00:17:25,244 00:17:26,878 - The only hard evidence professor ryan has presented - The only hard evidence professor ryan has presented
396 00:17:26,946 00:17:29,414 Is that jon sorrentino's marriage was in trouble. Is that jon sorrentino's marriage was in trouble.
397 00:17:29,482 00:17:32,450 It doesn't prove he made a false identification, It doesn't prove he made a false identification,
398 00:17:32,518 00:17:35,220 Nor does it exculpate mr. Stuber. Nor does it exculpate mr. Stuber.
399 00:17:35,287 00:17:37,689 - That is true, ms. Ryan. - We have an additional witness - That is true, ms. Ryan. - We have an additional witness
400 00:17:37,757 00:17:41,693 That is prepared to give testimony. That is prepared to give testimony.
401 00:17:41,761 00:17:43,962 - Uh, my name is rodrigo diaz. - Uh, my name is rodrigo diaz.
402 00:17:44,030 00:17:46,297 I know jon sorrentino pretty well. I know jon sorrentino pretty well.
403 00:17:46,365 00:17:48,599 I knew his boyfriend alan too. I knew his boyfriend alan too.
404 00:17:48,667 00:17:50,934 - How is that, mr. Diaz? - How is that, mr. Diaz?
405 00:17:51,002 00:17:53,503 - I'm their drug dealer... - I'm their drug dealer...
406 00:17:53,570 00:17:55,138 Or I-I used to be. Or I-I used to be.
407 00:17:55,206 00:17:58,372 - When was the last time that you saw mr. Sorrentino? - When was the last time that you saw mr. Sorrentino?
408 00:17:58,439 00:18:00,539 - He asked to meet me two months ago, - He asked to meet me two months ago,
409 00:18:00,607 00:18:02,305 Said he was tired of being married, Said he was tired of being married,
410 00:18:02,372 00:18:03,905 But he couldn't get a divorce. But he couldn't get a divorce.
411 00:18:03,973 00:18:06,306 So he asked me if I knew anybody, uh, So he asked me if I knew anybody, uh,
412 00:18:06,373 00:18:08,406 That can get rid of his problem, That can get rid of his problem,
413 00:18:08,474 00:18:09,973 You know, like a hit man. You know, like a hit man.
414 00:18:10,041 00:18:11,807 - Did he say why he was asking you? - Did he say why he was asking you?
415 00:18:11,875 00:18:14,909 - Said he wanted his husband alan dead. - Said he wanted his husband alan dead.
416 00:18:14,977 00:18:17,744 [laughs] I told him he was crazy. [laughs] I told him he was crazy.
417 00:18:17,812 00:18:20,447 - Thank you. - Thank you.
418 00:18:22,149 00:18:24,484 - Mr. Diaz, if you knew jon sorrentino - Mr. Diaz, if you knew jon sorrentino
419 00:18:24,552 00:18:26,353 Was soliciting a hit man, Was soliciting a hit man,
420 00:18:26,420 00:18:29,222 Why didn't you go to the police after his husband was killed? Why didn't you go to the police after his husband was killed?
421 00:18:29,289 00:18:32,356 - I tried. I called the precinct on 18th street. - I tried. I called the precinct on 18th street.
422 00:18:32,424 00:18:34,324 - You tried? - Yeah. - You tried? - Yeah.
423 00:18:34,392 00:18:35,826 And they put me on hold, And they put me on hold,
424 00:18:35,893 00:18:38,094 So I got frustrated, and I hung up. So I got frustrated, and I hung up.
425 00:18:38,162 00:18:39,862 - So why come forward now? - So why come forward now?
426 00:18:39,930 00:18:42,031 - Because it's the right thing to do. - Because it's the right thing to do.
427 00:18:42,098 00:18:45,033 - Oh, and it wasn't the right thing to do a month ago, - Oh, and it wasn't the right thing to do a month ago,
428 00:18:45,101 00:18:47,235 When mr. Stuber was on trial for murder? When mr. Stuber was on trial for murder?
429 00:18:47,303 00:18:49,037 I didn't know about no trial. I didn't know about no trial.
430 00:18:49,105 00:18:51,773 Now, this student from the innocence clinic, Now, this student from the innocence clinic,
431 00:18:51,840 00:18:54,208 Lisa kline, she found me, Lisa kline, she found me,
432 00:18:54,276 00:18:56,643 And she heard I was jon and alan's dealer, And she heard I was jon and alan's dealer,
433 00:18:56,711 00:18:59,412 And she asked if I knew about any problems between them. And she asked if I knew about any problems between them.
434 00:18:59,480 00:19:00,880 I said maybe I did. I said maybe I did.
435 00:19:00,948 00:19:03,750 And she convinced me to tell my story. And she convinced me to tell my story.
436 00:19:03,817 00:19:05,150 - As far as you know, - As far as you know,
437 00:19:05,218 00:19:08,987 Did mr. Sorrentino hire a hit man? Did mr. Sorrentino hire a hit man?
438 00:19:09,055 00:19:11,155 - No. - No.
439 00:19:11,223 00:19:13,290 Nah, I don't know that. Nah, I don't know that.
440 00:19:13,358 00:19:15,425 Eir witnes is a drug dealer Eir witnes is a drug dealer
441 00:19:15,493 00:19:17,160 Whose claims can't be verified. Whose claims can't be verified.
442 00:19:17,228 00:19:20,496 I ask that the court respect the jury's decision. I ask that the court respect the jury's decision.
443 00:19:20,564 00:19:23,832 - The jury made their decision with only half the facts. - The jury made their decision with only half the facts.
444 00:19:23,900 00:19:26,401 And mr. Stuber was denied the opportunity And mr. Stuber was denied the opportunity
445 00:19:26,469 00:19:28,403 To present an alternative theory of the crime. To present an alternative theory of the crime.
446 00:19:28,471 00:19:30,004 - I agree. - I agree.
447 00:19:30,072 00:19:31,339 In light of this new witness In light of this new witness
448 00:19:31,406 00:19:33,140 And mr. Cutter's apparent attempt And mr. Cutter's apparent attempt
449 00:19:33,208 00:19:35,309 To influence the lineup identification, To influence the lineup identification,
450 00:19:35,376 00:19:37,844 I'm granting defense counsel's motion. I'm granting defense counsel's motion.
451 00:19:37,912 00:19:41,313 Guilty verdict is set aside. I'm ordering a new trial. Guilty verdict is set aside. I'm ordering a new trial.
452 00:19:44,050 00:19:46,518 - I don't know whether to be outraged or humiliated... - I don't know whether to be outraged or humiliated...
453 00:19:46,586 00:19:48,920 Or both. Or both.
454 00:19:48,988 00:19:51,823 - Oh, nothing personal, mike. - Oh, nothing personal, mike.
455 00:19:51,891 00:19:56,526 Now let's see if you really did learn something from me. Now let's see if you really did learn something from me.
456 00:19:56,594 00:19:57,861 - Nothing personal? - Nothing personal?
457 00:19:57,929 00:20:00,597 That was personal. That was personal.
458 00:20:04,839 00:20:07,240 - This surprise witness, this dope dealer, - This surprise witness, this dope dealer,
459 00:20:07,707 00:20:09,007 Really hurt us. Really hurt us.
460 00:20:09,075 00:20:10,841 - If he's lying, we need to prove it. - If he's lying, we need to prove it.
461 00:20:10,909 00:20:12,709 - Is this about salvaging your case - Is this about salvaging your case
462 00:20:12,777 00:20:15,711 Or finding out if sorrentino really had his husband killed? Or finding out if sorrentino really had his husband killed?
463 00:20:15,779 00:20:17,479 - I don't give a damn about anything - I don't give a damn about anything
464 00:20:17,547 00:20:19,781 Expect putting the right people in jail. Expect putting the right people in jail.
465 00:20:19,849 00:20:23,383 - Good. I'll get my guys back on it. - Good. I'll get my guys back on it.
466 00:20:23,451 00:20:26,953 - Bad enough being second-guessed by emily ryan... - Bad enough being second-guessed by emily ryan...
467 00:20:27,021 00:20:29,455 Hell of a lot worse if she's right. Hell of a lot worse if she's right.
468 00:20:29,523 00:20:31,657 - Seemed like a straight-up gay bashing, - Seemed like a straight-up gay bashing,
469 00:20:31,724 00:20:33,460 And now... And now...
470 00:20:33,528 00:20:36,730 I don't know. I don't know.
471 00:20:36,797 00:20:39,799 - Forget that emily ryan was your mentor, mike. - Forget that emily ryan was your mentor, mike.
472 00:20:39,866 00:20:41,867 She's just another defense lawyer. She's just another defense lawyer.
473 00:20:41,935 00:20:45,670 - A defense lawyer who just won a retrial for a killer. - A defense lawyer who just won a retrial for a killer.
474 00:20:45,737 00:20:49,041 - That too. - That too.
475 00:20:49,109 00:20:50,642 - You're telling me this murderer - You're telling me this murderer
476 00:20:50,710 00:20:52,210 Might walk away scot-free? Might walk away scot-free?
477 00:20:52,278 00:20:54,212 - L-let's take it a step at a time. - L-let's take it a step at a time.
478 00:20:54,280 00:20:56,181 Was rodrigo diaz your drug dealer? Was rodrigo diaz your drug dealer?
479 00:20:56,248 00:20:57,881 - He used to be. - He used to be.
480 00:20:57,949 00:20:59,483 - Did you ever have a conversation with him - Did you ever have a conversation with him
481 00:20:59,550 00:21:00,751 About your marital problems? About your marital problems?
482 00:21:00,818 00:21:02,752 - Well, I-I definitely told him - Well, I-I definitely told him
483 00:21:02,820 00:21:04,387 Alan and I weren't getting along. Alan and I weren't getting along.
484 00:21:04,454 00:21:06,689 - Meaning "could you get rid of him for me?" - Meaning "could you get rid of him for me?"
485 00:21:06,757 00:21:07,757 - Oh, my god. - Oh, my god.
486 00:21:07,824 00:21:09,658 You think I hired him to kill alan? You think I hired him to kill alan?
487 00:21:09,726 00:21:11,560 - Rodrigo swore under oath - Rodrigo swore under oath
488 00:21:11,628 00:21:13,929 That you asked for an introduction to a hit man. That you asked for an introduction to a hit man.
489 00:21:13,996 00:21:16,264 - That's a lie. - That's a lie.
490 00:21:16,332 00:21:18,699 Do I need a lawyer? Do I need a lawyer?
491 00:21:18,767 00:21:21,668 - If I had something to hide, I'd make a phone call. - If I had something to hide, I'd make a phone call.
492 00:21:24,072 00:21:25,873 - What else do you want to know? - What else do you want to know?
493 00:21:25,941 00:21:27,941 - Why would rodrigo say that? - Why would rodrigo say that?
494 00:21:28,009 00:21:30,177 He have any kind of grudge against you? He have any kind of grudge against you?
495 00:21:30,244 00:21:33,280 - Alan had a really bad meth habit. - Alan had a really bad meth habit.
496 00:21:33,348 00:21:34,615 It was one of the reasons It was one of the reasons
497 00:21:34,682 00:21:36,116 Things weren't working out between us. Things weren't working out between us.
498 00:21:36,184 00:21:38,118 It got to the point where I told rodrigo It got to the point where I told rodrigo
499 00:21:38,186 00:21:41,121 If he kept dealing to alan, I was going to the police. If he kept dealing to alan, I was going to the police.
500 00:21:41,189 00:21:43,290 - No doubt that would piss him off. - No doubt that would piss him off.
501 00:21:43,357 00:21:46,726 - So why isn't he down here answering these questions? - So why isn't he down here answering these questions?
502 00:21:49,096 00:21:51,729 - You can help us out with that. - You can help us out with that.
503 00:22:02,837 00:22:06,139 - Winston? - Yeah. - Winston? - Yeah.
504 00:22:06,207 00:22:08,973 It's cold out there, huh? It's cold out there, huh?
505 00:22:09,041 00:22:11,142 - You a cop, man? - You a cop, man?
506 00:22:11,210 00:22:13,077 - Are you? - Are you?
507 00:22:13,145 00:22:14,545 - You look straight. - You look straight.
508 00:22:14,613 00:22:17,414 I didn't know these chelsea boys had any straight friends. I didn't know these chelsea boys had any straight friends.
509 00:22:17,482 00:22:20,216 - What can I tell you? They said you can get molly. - What can I tell you? They said you can get molly.
510 00:22:20,283 00:22:23,752 Can you do 20 or not? - That's $25 apiece. Can you do 20 or not? - That's $25 apiece.
511 00:22:23,819 00:22:26,187 If you went to school on the short bus, that's $500. If you went to school on the short bus, that's $500.
512 00:22:26,254 00:22:30,090 I need $250 up front. I need $250 up front.
513 00:22:30,191 00:22:33,826 There's a $50 service charge too, bro. There's a $50 service charge too, bro.
514 00:22:33,894 00:22:35,827 - Hey. - Hey.
515 00:22:35,895 00:22:37,329 Let's take a walk. Let's take a walk.
516 00:22:37,397 00:22:38,997 - Aw! - Aw!
517 00:22:39,065 00:22:42,133 You think I'm stupid enough to carry my own stash, man? You think I'm stupid enough to carry my own stash, man?
518 00:22:42,201 00:22:44,768 - You were stupid enough to lie on the witness stand. - You were stupid enough to lie on the witness stand.
519 00:22:44,836 00:22:46,770 - Is that what this is about? - Is that what this is about?
520 00:22:46,837 00:22:50,105 Everything I said in court is the god's honest truth, man. Everything I said in court is the god's honest truth, man.
521 00:22:50,172 00:22:51,405 - Except you forgot to mention - Except you forgot to mention
522 00:22:51,472 00:22:53,440 That jon said he was gonna dime you out That jon said he was gonna dime you out
523 00:22:53,508 00:22:55,276 If you didn't stop dealing to his partner. If you didn't stop dealing to his partner.
524 00:22:55,344 00:22:57,179 - Nobody asked me about that, man. - Nobody asked me about that, man.
525 00:22:57,247 00:22:59,580 - Tequila chito's in brooklyn. - Tequila chito's in brooklyn.
526 00:22:59,648 00:23:01,148 Lisa at the innocence coalition. Lisa at the innocence coalition.
527 00:23:01,216 00:23:03,417 So you were with her at this tequila bar. So you were with her at this tequila bar.
528 00:23:03,485 00:23:04,918 - So? - So?
529 00:23:04,986 00:23:06,920 - Is that how they convinced you to testify? - Is that how they convinced you to testify?
530 00:23:06,988 00:23:09,956 They bought you a couple shots of patron anejo? They bought you a couple shots of patron anejo?
531 00:23:10,024 00:23:12,159 - Got nothing else to say, man. - Got nothing else to say, man.
532 00:23:12,227 00:23:14,361 - All right, then get in. - All right, then get in.
533 00:23:16,865 00:23:19,700 - Yeah, that's rodrigo. - He a regular here? - Yeah, that's rodrigo. - He a regular here?
534 00:23:19,767 00:23:21,735 - He comes by when he's flush. - He comes by when he's flush.
535 00:23:21,803 00:23:24,504 - He ever come by with a woman, brown hair, early 20s? - He ever come by with a woman, brown hair, early 20s?
536 00:23:24,572 00:23:25,772 - Yeah, a few weeks ago. - Yeah, a few weeks ago.
537 00:23:25,840 00:23:27,106 They had a pitcher of margaritas. They had a pitcher of margaritas.
538 00:23:27,174 00:23:28,274 - This is a busy place. - This is a busy place.
539 00:23:28,342 00:23:30,443 How come you remember what they ordered? How come you remember what they ordered?
540 00:23:30,510 00:23:32,211 - About 20 minutes after they were here, - About 20 minutes after they were here,
541 00:23:32,278 00:23:33,511 They got in an argument. They got in an argument.
542 00:23:33,579 00:23:34,946 Rodrigo started to walk out, Rodrigo started to walk out,
543 00:23:35,014 00:23:36,581 And she came up to me with a credit card, And she came up to me with a credit card,
544 00:23:36,649 00:23:38,082 Asked for $100 cash back. Asked for $100 cash back.
545 00:23:38,150 00:23:39,783 - What'd she do with the money? - What'd she do with the money?
546 00:23:39,851 00:23:41,218 - She gave it to him. - She gave it to him.
547 00:23:41,286 00:23:43,153 Then they sat down and talked some more. Then they sat down and talked some more.
548 00:23:43,221 00:23:45,121 - Did they leave together? - No. - Did they leave together? - No.
549 00:23:45,189 00:23:46,422 About an hour later, About an hour later,
550 00:23:46,490 00:23:48,524 She asked me for the number of a car service. She asked me for the number of a car service.
551 00:23:48,592 00:23:52,527 Rodrigo came out here by himself to wait for it. Rodrigo came out here by himself to wait for it.
552 00:23:52,595 00:23:54,528 - We ran down the car service, and the driver told us - We ran down the car service, and the driver told us
553 00:23:54,596 00:23:56,395 That rodrigo paid him 20 bucks That rodrigo paid him 20 bucks
554 00:23:56,463 00:23:58,997 To drive him to an address in prospect heights-- To drive him to an address in prospect heights--
555 00:23:59,065 00:24:00,865 A known drug location. A known drug location.
556 00:24:00,933 00:24:03,802 - So professor ryan's student greased the wheels of justice - So professor ryan's student greased the wheels of justice
557 00:24:03,869 00:24:05,570 With some drug money. With some drug money.
558 00:24:05,638 00:24:09,140 - Are you suggesting they bought his testimony for 80 bucks? - Are you suggesting they bought his testimony for 80 bucks?
559 00:24:09,208 00:24:11,410 - And a pitcher of margaritas. - You throw in retaliation - And a pitcher of margaritas. - You throw in retaliation
560 00:24:11,477 00:24:13,211 For jon's threat to call the cops on him-- For jon's threat to call the cops on him--
561 00:24:13,279 00:24:16,447 I'd rate rodrigo's credibility at zero. I'd rate rodrigo's credibility at zero.
562 00:24:18,884 00:24:20,451 - Rodrigo was reluctant to get involved. - Rodrigo was reluctant to get involved.
563 00:24:20,519 00:24:22,353 He wouldn't come into the clinic. He wouldn't come into the clinic.
564 00:24:22,421 00:24:24,321 - So you invited him to a bar? - So you invited him to a bar?
565 00:24:24,389 00:24:26,089 - I've been at the clinic two semesters. - I've been at the clinic two semesters.
566 00:24:26,157 00:24:27,857 I've had to meet witnesses in prisons, I've had to meet witnesses in prisons,
567 00:24:27,925 00:24:30,459 In tenement hallways where junkies are shooting dope. In tenement hallways where junkies are shooting dope.
568 00:24:30,527 00:24:32,127 - D you ply them all with cocktails? - D you ply them all with cocktails?
569 00:24:32,195 00:24:34,396 - Rodrigo ordered the drinks. - Rodrigo ordered the drinks.
570 00:24:34,463 00:24:36,531 - And throw them a little drug money on the side? - And throw them a little drug money on the side?
571 00:24:36,599 00:24:38,533 - It was carfare. - It was carfare.
572 00:24:38,600 00:24:39,967 Professor ryan always said Professor ryan always said
573 00:24:40,035 00:24:41,902 You were on thball, mr. Cutter. You were on thball, mr. Cutter.
574 00:24:41,970 00:24:43,237 Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed Frankly, I'm a bit disappointed
575 00:24:43,304 00:24:46,206 You'd mistake cab money for a bribe. You'd mistake cab money for a bribe.
576 00:24:46,274 00:24:47,473 - Did rodrigo ever mention - Did rodrigo ever mention
577 00:24:47,541 00:24:48,808 He was pissed off at jon sorrentino He was pissed off at jon sorrentino
578 00:24:48,875 00:24:51,076 For threatening to turn him over to the police? For threatening to turn him over to the police?
579 00:24:51,144 00:24:53,078 - I don't have to download my interview for you. - I don't have to download my interview for you.
580 00:24:53,145 00:24:55,213 - No, but now you have all the facts. - No, but now you have all the facts.
581 00:24:55,281 00:24:57,815 You must have doubts about his credibility. You must have doubts about his credibility.
582 00:24:57,883 00:25:00,650 - Jon sorrentino is the one who lied here. - Jon sorrentino is the one who lied here.
583 00:25:00,718 00:25:02,419 He hired somebody to kill his partner He hired somebody to kill his partner
584 00:25:02,486 00:25:04,420 And make it look like a gay bashing. And make it look like a gay bashing.
585 00:25:04,488 00:25:05,621 You're grasping at straws You're grasping at straws
586 00:25:05,689 00:25:07,556 Instead of admitting you were wrong. Instead of admitting you were wrong.
587 00:25:07,624 00:25:10,225 - I think the grasping's just begun. - I think the grasping's just begun.
588 00:25:10,293 00:25:12,160 Thank you. Thank you.
589 00:25:13,696 00:25:16,130 - What the hell's going on now? - What the hell's going on now?
590 00:25:16,198 00:25:17,898 I got a call from emily ryan. I got a call from emily ryan.
591 00:25:17,966 00:25:20,434 You subpoenaed her students' academic records? You subpoenaed her students' academic records?
592 00:25:20,501 00:25:22,435 - One of her students paid off a witness-- - One of her students paid off a witness--
593 00:25:22,502 00:25:24,202 The witness who blew up our case. The witness who blew up our case.
594 00:25:24,270 00:25:26,071 - Your subpoena covered every student - Your subpoena covered every student
595 00:25:26,138 00:25:28,572 Who's worked at her clinic for the past ten years-- Who's worked at her clinic for the past ten years--
596 00:25:28,640 00:25:29,973 Their grades, their written assignments, Their grades, their written assignments,
597 00:25:30,041 00:25:32,108 Their email messages. - We're entitled to know Their email messages. - We're entitled to know
598 00:25:32,176 00:25:34,009 If there's a pattern to these improprieties. If there's a pattern to these improprieties.
599 00:25:34,077 00:25:36,044 - Leverage is one thing. - Leverage is one thing.
600 00:25:36,111 00:25:39,445 You've declared war on the hudson innocence coalition? You've declared war on the hudson innocence coalition?
601 00:25:39,513 00:25:41,447 - Why protect people who make it their mission - Why protect people who make it their mission
602 00:25:41,515 00:25:43,249 To undermine our work? To undermine our work?
603 00:25:43,316 00:25:44,683 - I'm not arrogant enough - I'm not arrogant enough
604 00:25:44,751 00:25:46,685 To believe we never make mistakes. To believe we never make mistakes.
605 00:25:46,753 00:25:48,487 - My doubts disappeared when I found out - My doubts disappeared when I found out
606 00:25:48,555 00:25:50,156 Their witness was enticed to come forward Their witness was enticed to come forward
607 00:25:50,224 00:25:51,692 With cash and tequila. With cash and tequila.
608 00:25:51,759 00:25:54,628 It's easy to wax philosophical about emily ryan, It's easy to wax philosophical about emily ryan,
609 00:25:54,696 00:25:56,630 But the egg's on my face, jack. But the egg's on my face, jack.
610 00:25:56,698 00:25:59,200 Don't ask me to withdraw that subpoena. Don't ask me to withdraw that subpoena.
611 00:25:59,267 00:26:00,701 - Here you go. - Here you go.
612 00:26:03,772 00:26:06,808 If she's intent on making diaz her star witness, If she's intent on making diaz her star witness,
613 00:26:06,876 00:26:09,175 We'll find every customer he's ever ripped off We'll find every customer he's ever ripped off
614 00:26:09,243 00:26:10,408 To impeach him. To impeach him.
615 00:26:10,476 00:26:12,376 - Mm, that's easier said than done, mike. - Mm, that's easier said than done, mike.
616 00:26:12,443 00:26:15,277 - Working on a subpoena to doctors without borders? - Working on a subpoena to doctors without borders?
617 00:26:15,345 00:26:17,547 - Oh, what can we do for you, professor ryan? - Oh, what can we do for you, professor ryan?
618 00:26:17,615 00:26:19,382 - I just talked to jack mccoy, - I just talked to jack mccoy,
619 00:26:19,450 00:26:21,651 And he says that he's standing behind your crusade And he says that he's standing behind your crusade
620 00:26:21,719 00:26:23,351 Against my students. Against my students.
621 00:26:23,419 00:26:24,784 - So when can we expect the records? - So when can we expect the records?
622 00:26:24,852 00:26:26,285 - Oh, you still have a few more hoops - Oh, you still have a few more hoops
623 00:26:26,353 00:26:27,619 You're gonna have to jump through. You're gonna have to jump through.
624 00:26:27,687 00:26:29,021 - Well, we're fully prepared - Well, we're fully prepared
625 00:26:29,088 00:26:32,256 For your motion to quash our subpoena. For your motion to quash our subpoena.
626 00:26:32,324 00:26:35,625 - Didn't I teach you about blowback, mike? - Didn't I teach you about blowback, mike?
627 00:26:35,693 00:26:39,495 Sometimes you open up a door that you think is safe, Sometimes you open up a door that you think is safe,
628 00:26:39,563 00:26:43,298 And an inferno comes roaring out. And an inferno comes roaring out.
629 00:26:47,035 00:26:50,204 Just remember, this was your call. Just remember, this was your call.
630 00:26:55,877 00:26:59,379 - Am I just hearing things, or did she just threaten you? - Am I just hearing things, or did she just threaten you?
631 00:26:59,446 00:27:02,481 - Ah, it's just standard defense-lawyer shtick. - Ah, it's just standard defense-lawyer shtick.
632 00:27:02,549 00:27:05,183 Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.
633 00:27:08,899 00:27:10,433 - The privacy of these academic records - The privacy of these academic records
634 00:27:10,501 00:27:11,834 Is protected by federal law. Is protected by federal law.
635 00:27:11,902 00:27:13,836 Mr. Cutter's subpoena is an insult to hudson university Mr. Cutter's subpoena is an insult to hudson university
636 00:27:13,904 00:27:15,137 And its students. And its students.
637 00:27:15,205 00:27:17,005 - Well, these students forfeited their right to privacy - Well, these students forfeited their right to privacy
638 00:27:17,073 00:27:19,140 When they chose to intervene in a criminal case. When they chose to intervene in a criminal case.
639 00:27:19,208 00:27:21,575 - My clinic has freed 22 innocent men - My clinic has freed 22 innocent men
640 00:27:21,643 00:27:23,077 Who were doing life without parole. Who were doing life without parole.
641 00:27:23,144 00:27:24,278 How am I gonna get students How am I gonna get students
642 00:27:24,345 00:27:25,779 To volunteer for this kind of work To volunteer for this kind of work
643 00:27:25,847 00:27:28,115 If they think the government is reading their emails, If they think the government is reading their emails,
644 00:27:28,183 00:27:29,616 Scrutinizing their academic record? Scrutinizing their academic record?
645 00:27:29,684 00:27:32,118 - The d.A.'s office has no interest in these records - The d.A.'s office has no interest in these records
646 00:27:32,186 00:27:34,653 Other than to determine if ms. Ryan's students Other than to determine if ms. Ryan's students
647 00:27:34,721 00:27:37,922 Were incentivized to manufacture new evidence. Were incentivized to manufacture new evidence.
648 00:27:37,990 00:27:39,857 Now, we've already established Now, we've already established
649 00:27:39,924 00:27:42,158 That a student corrupted a witness. That a student corrupted a witness.
650 00:27:42,226 00:27:44,295 - The student paid for carfare, bought a couple of drinks. - The student paid for carfare, bought a couple of drinks.
651 00:27:44,362 00:27:46,163 - Drug money and booze. - Drug money and booze.
652 00:27:46,231 00:27:48,398 This may be the tip of the iceberg, your honor. This may be the tip of the iceberg, your honor.
653 00:27:48,466 00:27:51,067 - The prosecution has made a clear showing of impropriety, - The prosecution has made a clear showing of impropriety,
654 00:27:51,135 00:27:52,502 Professor ryan. Professor ryan.
655 00:27:52,570 00:27:54,170 I want to know what else is going on I want to know what else is going on
656 00:27:54,238 00:27:55,537 Over there at your clinic. Over there at your clinic.
657 00:27:55,605 00:27:58,873 So I'll give you the academic records, mr. Cutter, So I'll give you the academic records, mr. Cutter,
658 00:27:58,941 00:28:01,209 Not the emails. Not the emails.
659 00:28:03,813 00:28:06,582 - Students who worked on a successful exoneration - Students who worked on a successful exoneration
660 00:28:06,649 00:28:09,751 Have a grade average six points higher Have a grade average six points higher
661 00:28:09,818 00:28:11,385 Than one who didn't. Than one who didn't.
662 00:28:11,453 00:28:13,353 - And are your grades in there too, mike? - And are your grades in there too, mike?
663 00:28:13,421 00:28:15,655 - Just because they're being rewarded - Just because they're being rewarded
664 00:28:15,722 00:28:17,590 Doesn't mean they're cooking the books. Doesn't mean they're cooking the books.
665 00:28:17,657 00:28:19,291 Most of ryan's exonerations Most of ryan's exonerations
666 00:28:19,359 00:28:21,026 Were based on irrefutable dna matches. Were based on irrefutable dna matches.
667 00:28:21,093 00:28:23,762 - I'm not saying that every piece of new evidence - I'm not saying that every piece of new evidence
668 00:28:23,830 00:28:24,929 She's uncovered is tainted, She's uncovered is tainted,
669 00:28:24,997 00:28:26,897 But there's pressure on these kids But there's pressure on these kids
670 00:28:26,965 00:28:28,432 To overturn convictions. To overturn convictions.
671 00:28:28,500 00:28:30,233 And her tacit reward system, And her tacit reward system,
672 00:28:30,301 00:28:33,703 It--it fosters a culture of overzealousness. It--it fosters a culture of overzealousness.
673 00:28:33,770 00:28:36,438 And--and emily, she finds the way in. And--and emily, she finds the way in.
674 00:28:36,506 00:28:39,407 - I assume you're speaking from experience. - I assume you're speaking from experience.
675 00:28:39,475 00:28:41,709 - Yeah. - Yeah.
676 00:28:41,777 00:28:44,244 She knew I had nowhere to go for the holidays, She knew I had nowhere to go for the holidays,
677 00:28:44,312 00:28:48,381 And she used to invite me to her house for thanksgiving, And she used to invite me to her house for thanksgiving,
678 00:28:48,449 00:28:51,284 With her husband-- and christmas dinner. With her husband-- and christmas dinner.
679 00:28:51,352 00:28:53,987 And I would have run into bullets for her. And I would have run into bullets for her.
680 00:28:54,054 00:28:56,088 - And this is how you repay her kindness. - And this is how you repay her kindness.
681 00:28:56,156 00:28:59,224 - The four students who worked on stuber's case - The four students who worked on stuber's case
682 00:28:59,292 00:29:02,160 Got letters of recommendation to prospective employers. Got letters of recommendation to prospective employers.
683 00:29:02,228 00:29:04,161 - And you're planning on introducing all of this - And you're planning on introducing all of this
684 00:29:04,229 00:29:05,495 At stuber's new trial. At stuber's new trial.
685 00:29:05,563 00:29:06,629 - Forget the retrial. - Forget the retrial.
686 00:29:06,697 00:29:08,430 We'll move for a hearing to see how far We'll move for a hearing to see how far
687 00:29:08,498 00:29:10,265 Ryan's students went to manufacture Ryan's students went to manufacture
688 00:29:10,333 00:29:11,633 A wrongful conviction here. A wrongful conviction here.
689 00:29:11,701 00:29:15,536 Judge braden can reinstate the jury verdict. Judge braden can reinstate the jury verdict.
690 00:29:18,172 00:29:19,806 - Professor ryan was always skeptical - Professor ryan was always skeptical
691 00:29:19,874 00:29:21,974 Of one-witness I.D. Cases like this one, Of one-witness I.D. Cases like this one,
692 00:29:22,042 00:29:23,776 Especially when there was community pressure Especially when there was community pressure
693 00:29:23,843 00:29:25,111 To make an arrest. To make an arrest.
694 00:29:25,178 00:29:27,613 So she had us talk to jon and alan's neighbors. So she had us talk to jon and alan's neighbors.
695 00:29:27,681 00:29:30,716 One of them put us onto their drug dealer, rodrigo diaz. One of them put us onto their drug dealer, rodrigo diaz.
696 00:29:30,784 00:29:32,951 - The first time you talked to mr. Diaz - The first time you talked to mr. Diaz
697 00:29:33,019 00:29:34,419 Was in a tequila bar. Was in a tequila bar.
698 00:29:34,487 00:29:36,886 - What did you expect? He's a drug dealer. - What did you expect? He's a drug dealer.
699 00:29:36,954 00:29:39,888 - Whom you compensated for spending time with you. - Whom you compensated for spending time with you.
700 00:29:39,956 00:29:41,723 - He asked me to pay for his drinks and carfare. - He asked me to pay for his drinks and carfare.
701 00:29:41,790 00:29:43,491 I was reimbursed by the clinic. I was reimbursed by the clinic.
702 00:29:43,558 00:29:45,159 - But after taking the cash - But after taking the cash
703 00:29:45,226 00:29:47,160 And then downing a pitcher of margaritas, And then downing a pitcher of margaritas,
704 00:29:47,228 00:29:50,795 He revealed the new evidence you were looking for. He revealed the new evidence you were looking for.
705 00:29:50,863 00:29:54,232 - He wasn't drunk enough to make me doubt what he was saying. - He wasn't drunk enough to make me doubt what he was saying.
706 00:29:54,300 00:29:55,933 - And then he agreed to testify for you - And then he agreed to testify for you
707 00:29:56,001 00:29:57,969 Just like any upstanding citizen. Just like any upstanding citizen.
708 00:29:58,036 00:29:59,470 - That's right. - That's right.
709 00:29:59,538 00:30:01,238 - Are you sure you didn't offer him more money - Are you sure you didn't offer him more money
710 00:30:01,306 00:30:03,239 Or anything else to motivate him? Or anything else to motivate him?
711 00:30:03,307 00:30:05,874 - He was worried about being arrested, - He was worried about being arrested,
712 00:30:05,942 00:30:08,044 Because he'd be admitting to selling drugs. Because he'd be admitting to selling drugs.
713 00:30:08,112 00:30:09,413 I told him if that happened, I told him if that happened,
714 00:30:09,481 00:30:11,082 The clinic would get him a lawyer. The clinic would get him a lawyer.
715 00:30:11,149 00:30:12,850 - Did you mention any of this-- - Did you mention any of this--
716 00:30:12,917 00:30:15,418 The free lawyer, the carfare, the drinks-- The free lawyer, the carfare, the drinks--
717 00:30:15,486 00:30:16,953 To professor ryan? To professor ryan?
718 00:30:17,021 00:30:18,587 - Well... - Well...
719 00:30:18,655 00:30:20,956 No. No.
720 00:30:21,024 00:30:22,957 - After your work on the stuber case, - After your work on the stuber case,
721 00:30:23,025 00:30:26,326 Did professor ryan write you a letter of recommendation Did professor ryan write you a letter of recommendation
722 00:30:26,394 00:30:28,327 For a federal clerkship? For a federal clerkship?
723 00:30:28,395 00:30:30,362 - Yes. She did. - Yes. She did.
724 00:30:36,001 00:30:37,869 - Am I the only professor - Am I the only professor
725 00:30:37,936 00:30:40,237 To write you a letter of recommendation? To write you a letter of recommendation?
726 00:30:40,305 00:30:43,506 - No. I have two others. I'm in the top 10% of my class. - No. I have two others. I'm in the top 10% of my class.
727 00:30:43,574 00:30:44,940 I'm also on law review. I'm also on law review.
728 00:30:45,008 00:30:47,276 - Were you motivated to embellish mr. Diaz's story - Were you motivated to embellish mr. Diaz's story
729 00:30:47,344 00:30:49,711 For a grade or a recommendation? For a grade or a recommendation?
730 00:30:49,779 00:30:50,712 - Absolutely not. - Absolutely not.
731 00:30:50,780 00:30:52,948 I was motivated to expose the truth, I was motivated to expose the truth,
732 00:30:53,016 00:30:54,450 To remedy an injustice. To remedy an injustice.
733 00:30:54,518 00:30:57,620 - Thank you. - Thank you.
734 00:30:57,688 00:31:02,191 - I'd like to call emily ryan as the people's next witness. - I'd like to call emily ryan as the people's next witness.
735 00:31:04,929 00:31:06,296 - Your honor, I'm defense counsel. - Your honor, I'm defense counsel.
736 00:31:06,363 00:31:07,397 - Co-counsel. - Co-counsel.
737 00:31:07,464 00:31:09,031 Mr. Gilman can handle any questioning. Mr. Gilman can handle any questioning.
738 00:31:09,099 00:31:11,500 - I was alluding to attorney-client privilege. - I was alluding to attorney-client privilege.
739 00:31:11,568 00:31:12,935 - I'll be asking about her clinic, - I'll be asking about her clinic,
740 00:31:13,003 00:31:15,171 Not her conversations with mr. Stuber. Not her conversations with mr. Stuber.
741 00:31:15,238 00:31:18,574 - Please take the witness stand, professor ryan. - Please take the witness stand, professor ryan.
742 00:31:24,113 00:31:27,481 - It's customary to cover a witness' travel expenses, - It's customary to cover a witness' travel expenses,
743 00:31:27,549 00:31:30,817 But we can't control what a witness does with the money. But we can't control what a witness does with the money.
744 00:31:30,885 00:31:33,720 To suggest that mr. Diaz perjured himself for $80, To suggest that mr. Diaz perjured himself for $80,
745 00:31:33,788 00:31:35,355 I find that preposterous. I find that preposterous.
746 00:31:35,422 00:31:37,823 - Is it also customary to provide free cocktails - Is it also customary to provide free cocktails
747 00:31:37,891 00:31:39,425 And free legal representation? And free legal representation?
748 00:31:39,492 00:31:42,060 - Lisa may have been a bit oversolicitous. - Lisa may have been a bit oversolicitous.
749 00:31:42,128 00:31:44,795 I would love to have some more experienced iestigators. I would love to have some more experienced iestigators.
750 00:31:44,863 00:31:47,064 Unfortunately, we don't have those kind of resources. Unfortunately, we don't have those kind of resources.
751 00:31:47,132 00:31:49,433 - So you reward the students in your clinic - So you reward the students in your clinic
752 00:31:49,500 00:31:51,902 Who work on successful exonerations Who work on successful exonerations
753 00:31:51,969 00:31:53,403 With better grades With better grades
754 00:31:53,471 00:31:55,372 And more enthusiastic recommendations. And more enthusiastic recommendations.
755 00:31:55,439 00:31:56,840 - They have higher grades - They have higher grades
756 00:31:56,907 00:31:58,941 Because I assign my brightest students Because I assign my brightest students
757 00:31:59,009 00:32:00,443 To the most serious cases. To the most serious cases.
758 00:32:00,510 00:32:03,379 - With all this at stake, how can we know for certain - With all this at stake, how can we know for certain
759 00:32:03,447 00:32:07,349 That lisa didn't suggest this hit man story to mr. Diaz? That lisa didn't suggest this hit man story to mr. Diaz?
760 00:32:07,417 00:32:09,451 - My students may get a big overzealous. - My students may get a big overzealous.
761 00:32:09,519 00:32:11,587 A lot of us are susceptible to that. A lot of us are susceptible to that.
762 00:32:11,655 00:32:13,588 But they don't suborn perjury. But they don't suborn perjury.
763 00:32:13,655 00:32:16,090 That goes against everything that we stand for. That goes against everything that we stand for.
764 00:32:16,157 00:32:17,791 - All right, step down, professor ryan. - All right, step down, professor ryan.
765 00:32:17,859 00:32:20,226 I've heard enough. I've heard enough.
766 00:32:20,294 00:32:22,061 I'm troubled by the way mr. Diaz I'm troubled by the way mr. Diaz
767 00:32:22,129 00:32:25,297 Was coaxed into coming forward by an apparent bribe. Was coaxed into coming forward by an apparent bribe.
768 00:32:25,365 00:32:26,865 Without his testimony, Without his testimony,
769 00:32:26,933 00:32:29,934 I never would have taken the extraordinary step I never would have taken the extraordinary step
770 00:32:30,002 00:32:31,936 Of setting aside a verdict Of setting aside a verdict
771 00:32:32,004 00:32:33,404 By a jury who weighed all the facts. By a jury who weighed all the facts.
772 00:32:33,472 00:32:35,273 - The jury did not have all the facts. - The jury did not have all the facts.
773 00:32:35,340 00:32:36,707 - Almost all the facts. - Almost all the facts.
774 00:32:36,775 00:32:40,077 I now find diaz's testimony extremely suspect. I now find diaz's testimony extremely suspect.
775 00:32:40,145 00:32:41,979 I'm reversing my earlier decision I'm reversing my earlier decision
776 00:32:42,047 00:32:44,982 And reinstating the jury's conviction. And reinstating the jury's conviction.
777 00:32:48,153 00:32:49,486 - In that case, - In that case,
778 00:32:49,554 00:32:51,888 The defendant moves to dismiss for another reason. The defendant moves to dismiss for another reason.
779 00:32:51,956 00:32:53,489 - Judge, are you gonna allow professor ryan - Judge, are you gonna allow professor ryan
780 00:32:53,557 00:32:57,226 To keep taking potshots at a legitimate jury verdict? To keep taking potshots at a legitimate jury verdict?
781 00:32:57,293 00:33:00,596 - What's the problem now, professor ryan? - What's the problem now, professor ryan?
782 00:33:00,663 00:33:03,098 - The lead prosecutor's license to practice law - The lead prosecutor's license to practice law
783 00:33:03,166 00:33:04,767 Was obtained fraudulently. Was obtained fraudulently.
784 00:33:04,835 00:33:07,269 - Excuse me? - You heard me correctly, judge. - Excuse me? - You heard me correctly, judge.
785 00:33:07,337 00:33:08,871 My client's right to a fair trial My client's right to a fair trial
786 00:33:08,939 00:33:10,306 Includes the right to be prosecuted Includes the right to be prosecuted
787 00:33:10,373 00:33:12,174 By assistant district attorney, By assistant district attorney,
788 00:33:12,242 00:33:16,012 And mr. Cutter is not an attorney at all. And mr. Cutter is not an attorney at all.
789 00:33:22,580 00:33:24,643 - I went to three colleges in four years. - I went to three colleges in four years.
790 00:33:24,711 00:33:27,045 A couple of credits slipped through the cracks. A couple of credits slipped through the cracks.
791 00:33:27,112 00:33:28,546 I thought it would get sorted out I thought it would get sorted out
792 00:33:28,613 00:33:30,314 By the time I got to law school. By the time I got to law school.
793 00:33:30,382 00:33:33,316 - So you don't actually have your b.A. - So you don't actually have your b.A.
794 00:33:33,384 00:33:35,721 - I did the work, but no one... - I did the work, but no one...
795 00:33:35,788 00:33:37,622 Actually handed me a diploma. Actually handed me a diploma.
796 00:33:37,690 00:33:40,692 - I don't understand how this affects your law license. - I don't understand how this affects your law license.
797 00:33:40,760 00:33:44,196 - This... Oversight got perpetuated - This... Oversight got perpetuated
798 00:33:44,263 00:33:46,698 When I applied for the new york bar. When I applied for the new york bar.
799 00:33:46,766 00:33:48,967 - You represented to the bar overseers - You represented to the bar overseers
800 00:33:49,035 00:33:51,970 That you had your undergraduate degree. That you had your undergraduate degree.
801 00:33:52,037 00:33:53,704 - Right. - Right.
802 00:33:53,772 00:33:57,275 - And on your resume to the d.A.'s office. - And on your resume to the d.A.'s office.
803 00:33:58,777 00:34:00,545 Damn it, mike. Damn it, mike.
804 00:34:00,613 00:34:03,881 - How did emily ryan find out about it? - How did emily ryan find out about it?
805 00:34:03,948 00:34:05,549 - She was my faculty advisor. - She was my faculty advisor.
806 00:34:05,616 00:34:08,183 I mentioned it to her once, and she told me, I mentioned it to her once, and she told me,
807 00:34:08,251 00:34:10,514 "don't worry about it. It's a technicality." "don't worry about it. It's a technicality."
808 00:34:10,582 00:34:11,848 - It's now a technicality - It's now a technicality
809 00:34:11,915 00:34:14,717 That puts every one of your convictions in jeopardy, That puts every one of your convictions in jeopardy,
810 00:34:14,784 00:34:17,219 Starting with the stuber case. Starting with the stuber case.
811 00:34:17,287 00:34:19,554 - Judge braden wants to put me under oath, - Judge braden wants to put me under oath,
812 00:34:19,622 00:34:23,757 Hold a hearing in his chambers tomorrow. Hold a hearing in his chambers tomorrow.
813 00:34:23,825 00:34:26,693 - I'll be joining you. - I'll be joining you.
814 00:34:29,630 00:34:31,497 - After I passed the bar exam, - After I passed the bar exam,
815 00:34:31,565 00:34:34,834 I checked the qualifications for the new york bar. I checked the qualifications for the new york bar.
816 00:34:34,902 00:34:37,570 A college degree is not a requirement. A college degree is not a requirement.
817 00:34:37,638 00:34:40,172 I do have the required law degree, I do have the required law degree,
818 00:34:40,240 00:34:44,944 So I believe that my license to practice law is valid. So I believe that my license to practice law is valid.
819 00:34:45,011 00:34:47,379 - May I ask a few questions, judge? - May I ask a few questions, judge?
820 00:34:47,447 00:34:49,915 When you were interviewed When you were interviewed
821 00:34:49,983 00:34:53,719 By the bar examiner's character and fitness committee, By the bar examiner's character and fitness committee,
822 00:34:53,787 00:34:55,854 Did you mention any of this? Did you mention any of this?
823 00:34:55,922 00:34:57,356 - No. - No.
824 00:34:57,423 00:34:59,591 - So when you were sworn in as an a.D.A. - So when you were sworn in as an a.D.A.
825 00:34:59,659 00:35:01,893 And you promised to uphold the laws, And you promised to uphold the laws,
826 00:35:01,961 00:35:03,729 You were essentially committing a fraud You were essentially committing a fraud
827 00:35:03,796 00:35:05,363 On the people of the state of new york. On the people of the state of new york.
828 00:35:05,431 00:35:07,466 - I object to that characterization. - I object to that characterization.
829 00:35:07,533 00:35:10,568 The question is whether his lapse of judgment The question is whether his lapse of judgment
830 00:35:10,636 00:35:13,571 Impinged on the defendant's right to a fair trial Impinged on the defendant's right to a fair trial
831 00:35:13,639 00:35:17,141 And why professor ryan waited so long to assert that it did. And why professor ryan waited so long to assert that it did.
832 00:35:17,209 00:35:19,277 - I'll take the defense motions to dismiss - I'll take the defense motions to dismiss
833 00:35:19,344 00:35:20,745 Under advisement. Under advisement.
834 00:35:20,813 00:35:23,014 Once again, mr. Cutter, Once again, mr. Cutter,
835 00:35:23,082 00:35:27,118 I am very disappointed by this turn of events. I am very disappointed by this turn of events.
836 00:35:33,759 00:35:35,994 - You were 21. You made a mistake. - You were 21. You made a mistake.
837 00:35:36,062 00:35:38,063 - I just raked a law student over the coals - I just raked a law student over the coals
838 00:35:38,130 00:35:40,098 For having poor judgment. For having poor judgment.
839 00:35:40,166 00:35:43,301 - Well, maybe you should have never gone after the clinic. - Well, maybe you should have never gone after the clinic.
840 00:35:43,369 00:35:46,936 - I didn't have a choice. Their witness was lying. - I didn't have a choice. Their witness was lying.
841 00:35:47,004 00:35:49,539 - And you had a chance to show up your mentor. - And you had a chance to show up your mentor.
842 00:35:49,606 00:35:51,607 - That had nothing to do with it. - That had nothing to do with it.
843 00:35:51,675 00:35:54,142 - Really? Mike. - Really? Mike.
844 00:35:57,013 00:35:58,580 - Jack's gonna fire me. - Jack's gonna fire me.
845 00:35:58,648 00:36:00,215 - You're being paranoid. - You're being paranoid.
846 00:36:00,283 00:36:02,384 - I'd fire me. - I'd fire me.
847 00:36:02,452 00:36:04,853 Who knows if they'll let me keep my license? Who knows if they'll let me keep my license?
848 00:36:09,892 00:36:11,392 - Well, well... - Well, well...
849 00:36:11,460 00:36:14,330 Personal visit from the district attorney. Personal visit from the district attorney.
850 00:36:14,398 00:36:17,200 - You know why I'm here, emily. - You know why I'm here, emily.
851 00:36:17,267 00:36:19,335 - That ship has already sailed. - That ship has already sailed.
852 00:36:19,403 00:36:21,537 - Not necessarily. - Not necessarily.
853 00:36:21,605 00:36:23,973 - I've seen too many innocent men rot in prison - I've seen too many innocent men rot in prison
854 00:36:24,040 00:36:26,008 Because of prosecutorial hubris. Because of prosecutorial hubris.
855 00:36:26,075 00:36:27,509 - Mike went after your clinic - Mike went after your clinic
856 00:36:27,577 00:36:30,011 Because that's what you taught him to do. Because that's what you taught him to do.
857 00:36:30,079 00:36:31,746 He didn't deserve this. He didn't deserve this.
858 00:36:31,814 00:36:33,348 - I didn't deserve this. - I didn't deserve this.
859 00:36:33,415 00:36:36,049 And I gave you the opportunity to reel him in. And I gave you the opportunity to reel him in.
860 00:36:36,117 00:36:37,951 - Then blame me. - Then blame me.
861 00:36:38,019 00:36:41,721 Mike's a fine prosecutor. He does you proud. Mike's a fine prosecutor. He does you proud.
862 00:36:41,788 00:36:44,056 Do you really want to destroy what you created? Do you really want to destroy what you created?
863 00:36:44,124 00:36:46,992 - I still have a client to represent. - I still have a client to represent.
864 00:36:47,059 00:36:51,629 - Do you believe he's innocent? - Do you believe he's innocent?
865 00:36:51,697 00:36:55,399 Or are you teaching mike cutter another lesson? Or are you teaching mike cutter another lesson?
866 00:36:55,467 00:36:57,667 - What do you propose? - What do you propose?
867 00:36:57,735 00:37:00,203 - If I can bring mike around to man one, - If I can bring mike around to man one,
868 00:37:00,271 00:37:01,837 Will stuber make a deal? Will stuber make a deal?
869 00:37:01,905 00:37:04,139 - Right. He pleads, and my motion for dismissal - Right. He pleads, and my motion for dismissal
870 00:37:04,207 00:37:05,607 Just goes away? Just goes away?
871 00:37:05,674 00:37:08,843 - Mike's still going to have to face the bar overseers. - Mike's still going to have to face the bar overseers.
872 00:37:10,745 00:37:13,079 - No promises, jack. Uh-uh. - No promises, jack. Uh-uh.
873 00:37:13,147 00:37:16,949 It sounds like we both have some convincing to do. It sounds like we both have some convincing to do.
874 00:37:17,016 00:37:19,620 - Stuber's a hate murderer! - Stuber's a hate murderer!
875 00:37:19,687 00:37:21,992 He doesn't deserve man one! He doesn't deserve man one!
876 00:37:22,060 00:37:26,167 - I agree with you, on the merits. - I agree with you, on the merits.
877 00:37:26,234 00:37:28,102 - I see. - I see.
878 00:37:28,170 00:37:31,972 We need to make a deal to cover my ass. We need to make a deal to cover my ass.
879 00:37:32,040 00:37:34,474 Well, I'm sorry, but I'd rather get disbarred Well, I'm sorry, but I'd rather get disbarred
880 00:37:34,542 00:37:36,309 Than be a part of that scenario. Than be a part of that scenario.
881 00:37:36,377 00:37:39,645 - Here's the scenario you should be worried about. - Here's the scenario you should be worried about.
882 00:37:39,712 00:37:43,448 Stuber gets retried by a real lawyer. Stuber gets retried by a real lawyer.
883 00:37:43,515 00:37:46,384 He walks, because emily ryan's He walks, because emily ryan's
884 00:37:46,451 00:37:49,885 Injected enough doubt in the case to sway a jury, Injected enough doubt in the case to sway a jury,
885 00:37:49,953 00:37:52,520 And judge braden refers your misfeasance And judge braden refers your misfeasance
886 00:37:52,588 00:37:53,888 To the first department. To the first department.
887 00:37:53,956 00:37:57,190 - Well, I'm sorry, jack, but I won't do it. - Well, I'm sorry, jack, but I won't do it.
888 00:37:57,258 00:37:59,625 - Yes, you will. - Yes, you will.
889 00:37:59,692 00:38:02,561 If you have any hope of staying on here, If you have any hope of staying on here,
890 00:38:02,628 00:38:05,764 End this debacle with a plea bargain. End this debacle with a plea bargain.
891 00:38:16,481 00:38:19,416 - Always be early-- just like I taught you, mike. - Always be early-- just like I taught you, mike.
892 00:38:19,484 00:38:21,284 - And face the door-- - And face the door--
893 00:38:21,352 00:38:23,951 That way, you don't get stabbed in the back. That way, you don't get stabbed in the back.
894 00:38:24,019 00:38:26,219 - You forced my hand. I warned you not to. - You forced my hand. I warned you not to.
895 00:38:26,286 00:38:30,422 - I never thought you'd actually come after my license. - I never thought you'd actually come after my license.
896 00:38:30,489 00:38:32,756 - Why? You didn't think I could fight as dirty as you did? - Why? You didn't think I could fight as dirty as you did?
897 00:38:32,824 00:38:34,658 - You were the one who started this, emily. - You were the one who started this, emily.
898 00:38:34,726 00:38:36,293 - I challenged one case. - I challenged one case.
899 00:38:36,361 00:38:38,395 You were the one that made this personal. You were the one that made this personal.
900 00:38:38,463 00:38:40,664 Everything that I have worked to build-- Everything that I have worked to build--
901 00:38:40,732 00:38:43,167 Everything that you used to believe in-- Everything that you used to believe in--
902 00:38:43,235 00:38:44,902 You're trying to rip it apart. You're trying to rip it apart.
903 00:38:44,970 00:38:47,505 - Well, you should have known that I wasn't gonna back down. - Well, you should have known that I wasn't gonna back down.
904 00:38:47,572 00:38:50,507 - Well, you're here now, mike. That shows maturity. - Well, you're here now, mike. That shows maturity.
905 00:38:50,575 00:38:52,843 There was a time when you couldn't accept defeat. There was a time when you couldn't accept defeat.
906 00:38:56,915 00:38:58,415 - Judge braden says he'll have a ruling - Judge braden says he'll have a ruling
907 00:38:58,483 00:39:00,350 On our retrial motion tomorrow. On our retrial motion tomorrow.
908 00:39:00,418 00:39:03,386 - Is that really what you want, mr. Stuber-- - Is that really what you want, mr. Stuber--
909 00:39:03,454 00:39:04,954 Another trial? Another trial?
910 00:39:05,021 00:39:07,522 - I want to get out of here. - I want to get out of here.
911 00:39:07,589 00:39:09,156 I'm innocent. I'm innocent.
912 00:39:09,224 00:39:10,690 - Oh, well, then there's no need - Oh, well, then there's no need
913 00:39:10,758 00:39:12,624 To talk about a plea bargain, is there? To talk about a plea bargain, is there?
914 00:39:12,692 00:39:14,793 - W-wait a minute, mike. Come on. - W-wait a minute, mike. Come on.
915 00:39:14,861 00:39:16,995 Now, just hear him out, cedric. Now, just hear him out, cedric.
916 00:39:17,063 00:39:18,696 - This guy's not even a lawyer. - This guy's not even a lawyer.
917 00:39:18,764 00:39:21,865 Can he even make a deal? - Yes, he can, mr. Stuber. Can he even make a deal? - Yes, he can, mr. Stuber.
918 00:39:21,933 00:39:24,801 And if you have any doubts, I'm here for your peace of mind. And if you have any doubts, I'm here for your peace of mind.
919 00:39:24,869 00:39:26,836 - Oh, that's sweet of you. - Oh, that's sweet of you.
920 00:39:30,139 00:39:33,107 So what do you got? So what do you got?
921 00:39:33,174 00:39:35,375 - Man one-- - Man one--
922 00:39:35,443 00:39:37,009 20 years. 20 years.
923 00:39:37,077 00:39:38,677 - [laughing] screw that. - [laughing] screw that.
924 00:39:38,745 00:39:40,712 - Come on, mike, you can do better than that. - Come on, mike, you can do better than that.
925 00:39:40,780 00:39:43,215 If he's gonna blow trial, the minimum is 15 years. If he's gonna blow trial, the minimum is 15 years.
926 00:39:43,283 00:39:44,883 - Everyone in this room knows - Everyone in this room knows
927 00:39:44,951 00:39:46,551 He won't get less than 25 to life He won't get less than 25 to life
928 00:39:46,619 00:39:48,153 After a conviction for a hate crime. After a conviction for a hate crime.
929 00:39:48,220 00:39:49,721 - You know what? - You know what?
930 00:39:49,788 00:39:52,556 I'm sick of this hate-crime crap. I'm sick of this hate-crime crap.
931 00:39:52,624 00:39:55,392 It's not like he was a black guy... It's not like he was a black guy...
932 00:39:55,460 00:39:56,827 [chuckles] [chuckles]
933 00:39:56,895 00:39:58,895 Or a spic. Or a spic.
934 00:40:02,299 00:40:04,133 - Our fer just went up to 25. - Our fer just went up to 25.
935 00:40:04,201 00:40:05,467 - Mike. - Mike.
936 00:40:05,535 00:40:07,102 - Go to trial if you don't like it. - Go to trial if you don't like it.
937 00:40:07,170 00:40:08,503 - How about our moon for dismissal? - How about our moon for dismissal?
938 00:40:08,571 00:40:10,038 How about your law license? How about your law license?
939 00:40:10,106 00:40:11,106 - You can have my license! - You can have my license!
940 00:40:11,173 00:40:12,540 It'll free me up to testify It'll free me up to testify
941 00:40:12,608 00:40:15,643 About the hate speech your client just spewed in here. About the hate speech your client just spewed in here.
942 00:40:15,711 00:40:18,846 And after 's convicted of murder in state court, And after 's convicted of murder in state court,
943 00:40:18,914 00:40:20,715 I'll walk across to the u.S. Attorney's office I'll walk across to the u.S. Attorney's office
944 00:40:20,783 00:40:22,650 And have your client prosecuted And have your client prosecuted
945 00:40:22,718 00:40:24,986 For violating the matthew shepard act. For violating the matthew shepard act.
946 00:40:25,053 00:40:27,955 Hate murder against gays is a federal offense now. Hate murder against gays is a federal offense now.
947 00:40:28,023 00:40:31,659 Are you ready to do back-to-back life sentences, mr. Stuber? Are you ready to do back-to-back life sentences, mr. Stuber?
948 00:40:31,727 00:40:36,097 You will die in jail. You will die in jail.
949 00:40:44,606 00:40:46,573 - [whispering] is that true? - [whispering] is that true?
950 00:40:54,748 00:40:58,517 - Uh, h-he'll take the 20 years you originally offered. - Uh, h-he'll take the 20 years you originally offered.
951 00:40:58,585 00:41:01,153 - It's 25 or nothing. - It's 25 or nothing.
952 00:41:01,221 00:41:03,520 Now or never, mr. Stuber. Now or never, mr. Stuber.
953 00:41:06,757 00:41:08,859 - Is this fed thing for real? - Is this fed thing for real?
954 00:41:08,926 00:41:11,127 - Yes. I'm afraido. - Yes. I'm afraido.
955 00:41:15,799 00:41:17,632 - I'll take the 25. - I'll take the 25.
956 00:41:24,839 00:41:27,807 That guy's nuts, you know that? That guy's nuts, you know that?
957 00:41:29,776 00:41:32,411 - Yeah. I do. - Yeah. I do.
958 00:41:45,689 00:41:49,058 - I've been reprimanded by the bar overseers-- - I've been reprimanded by the bar overseers--
959 00:41:49,126 00:41:51,493 Goes in the law journal tomorrow. Goes in the law journal tomorrow.
960 00:41:59,535 00:42:01,001 - "but we cannot see - "but we cannot see
961 00:42:01,069 00:42:03,237 "how the flaw in mr. Cutter's credentials "how the flaw in mr. Cutter's credentials
962 00:42:03,304 00:42:07,140 Prejudiced any of his past convictions." Prejudiced any of his past convictions."
963 00:42:07,208 00:42:09,208 - I dodged a bullet. - I dodged a bullet.
964 00:42:10,776 00:42:12,143 - Did you? - Did you?