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1 00:00:05,400 00:00:06,800 - In the criminal justice system, - In the criminal justice system,
2 00:00:06,801 00:00:09,301 The people are represented by two separate The people are represented by two separate
3 00:00:09,302 00:00:10,702 Yet equally important groups, Yet equally important groups,
4 00:00:10,703 00:00:12,503 The police who investigate crime, The police who investigate crime,
5 00:00:12,504 00:00:15,404 And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.
6 00:00:15,405 00:00:16,705 These are their stories. These are their stories.
7 00:00:21,800 00:00:23,351 Did see that nose stud? Did see that nose stud?
8 00:00:23,435 00:00:24,469 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
9 00:00:24,520 00:00:27,204 - I mean, what happens when you sneeze? - I mean, what happens when you sneeze?
10 00:00:27,256 00:00:29,474 - I don't understand how they can walk around like that. - I don't understand how they can walk around like that.
11 00:00:32,761 00:00:34,595 What now? What now?
12 00:00:39,918 00:00:41,486 - Zoe? - Zoe?
13 00:00:43,022 00:00:44,422 Zoe? Zoe?
14 00:00:46,125 00:00:48,426 Whatever it is you're doing in there, stop it. Whatever it is you're doing in there, stop it.
15 00:00:48,494 00:00:49,944 It's time to go to sleep. It's time to go to sleep.
16 00:00:58,921 00:01:03,374 [Indistinct chatter on police radio] [Indistinct chatter on police radio]
17 00:01:03,425 00:01:06,461 - Down the hallway to the left. - Down the hallway to the left.
18 00:01:28,150 00:01:30,318 - Mr. Morgan's down here. - Mr. Morgan's down here.
19 00:02:03,802 00:02:05,636 - Lupes. - Lupes.
20 00:02:29,094 00:02:32,296 - That's all of them. - That's all of them.
21 00:02:43,797 00:02:45,697 Sync by Adriano_CSI Sync by Adriano_CSI
22 00:03:27,544 00:03:29,361 - Hey. - Hey.
23 00:03:29,413 00:03:31,798 Voucher this bag, Voucher this bag,
24 00:03:31,865 00:03:34,133 Then she's all yours. Then she's all yours.
25 00:03:38,172 00:03:39,305 Hey. Hey.
26 00:03:39,372 00:03:42,475 Shoot this joint before you bag it. Shoot this joint before you bag it.
27 00:03:43,510 00:03:45,511 [Camera shutter clicks] [Camera shutter clicks]
28 00:03:47,147 00:03:50,400 Well, well, well. Well, well, well.
29 00:03:50,484 00:03:54,687 It looks like our morgan girl was partying with a friend. It looks like our morgan girl was partying with a friend.
30 00:03:54,738 00:03:57,073 One joint, two bottles... One joint, two bottles...
31 00:03:57,157 00:03:59,525 One with lipstick, one without. One with lipstick, one without.
32 00:03:59,576 00:04:02,195 - Well, there's five plates and five glasses. - Well, there's five plates and five glasses.
33 00:04:02,246 00:04:04,247 I'm guessing the friend was here for dinner. I'm guessing the friend was here for dinner.
34 00:04:04,331 00:04:08,567 - Maybe the type to eat, kill, and run. - Maybe the type to eat, kill, and run.
35 00:04:08,619 00:04:10,369 - So the dinner guest - So the dinner guest
36 00:04:10,421 00:04:12,205 Might've been the daughter's boyfriend. Might've been the daughter's boyfriend.
37 00:04:12,256 00:04:14,540 - The people downstairs never saw them with anybody. - The people downstairs never saw them with anybody.
38 00:04:14,591 00:04:16,592 They say the morgans kept a pretty tight leash They say the morgans kept a pretty tight leash
39 00:04:16,677 00:04:17,743 On their kids. On their kids.
40 00:04:17,795 00:04:19,578 - Except for the reefer and the malt liquor. - Except for the reefer and the malt liquor.
41 00:04:19,630 00:04:21,964 - Yeah, and the "tramp stamp" on the girl's back. - Yeah, and the "tramp stamp" on the girl's back.
42 00:04:22,049 00:04:25,017 Looks like a work in progress. Looks like a work in progress.
43 00:04:25,085 00:04:26,252 - An angel. - An angel.
44 00:04:26,303 00:04:28,387 - Yeah. Where the parents would never see it. - Yeah. Where the parents would never see it.
45 00:04:28,439 00:04:31,057 - Well, find out who was seeing it. - Well, find out who was seeing it.
46 00:04:31,108 00:04:32,608 Oh, and by the way, Oh, and by the way,
47 00:04:32,693 00:04:36,112 Without the beards, you guys look five years younger. Without the beards, you guys look five years younger.
48 00:04:36,196 00:04:37,730 - [Scoffs] - [Scoffs]
49 00:04:37,781 00:04:40,432 Which makes you about 12. Which makes you about 12.
50 00:04:41,652 00:04:44,937 Black lipstick, black nail polish, Black lipstick, black nail polish,
51 00:04:44,988 00:04:46,739 Spike neck collar. Spike neck collar.
52 00:04:46,790 00:04:49,441 - Being goth never killed anybody. - Being goth never killed anybody.
53 00:04:49,493 00:04:51,244 - Condoms on the inside... - Condoms on the inside...
54 00:04:51,295 00:04:55,631 And this on the outside. And this on the outside.
55 00:04:55,716 00:04:57,116 - Ah, a bartender... - Ah, a bartender...
56 00:04:57,167 00:04:58,718 Every parent's nightmare. Every parent's nightmare.
57 00:04:58,785 00:05:01,120 - Yeah. Building site in the background. - Yeah. Building site in the background.
58 00:05:01,171 00:05:03,422 "Hardy construction." "Hardy construction."
59 00:05:05,959 00:05:07,527 - I saw it on the news. - I saw it on the news.
60 00:05:07,594 00:05:08,644 I, uh... I, uh...
61 00:05:08,729 00:05:10,012 I just can't get my head around it. I just can't get my head around it.
62 00:05:10,097 00:05:11,764 - It didn't occur to you to tell the police - It didn't occur to you to tell the police
63 00:05:11,815 00:05:13,149 You were the victim's boyfriend? You were the victim's boyfriend?
64 00:05:13,233 00:05:15,902 - Was I supposed to do that? We weren't that tight. - Was I supposed to do that? We weren't that tight.
65 00:05:15,969 00:05:17,487 - Where were you last night? - Where were you last night?
66 00:05:17,571 00:05:19,305 - I was right here. We close at 4:00. - I was right here. We close at 4:00.
67 00:05:19,356 00:05:21,657 - All right, so we check zoe's phone records, - All right, so we check zoe's phone records,
68 00:05:21,742 00:05:24,277 We gonna find any calls or texts from you? We gonna find any calls or texts from you?
69 00:05:24,328 00:05:26,195 - We were supposed to meet here, and she blew me off. - We were supposed to meet here, and she blew me off.
70 00:05:26,280 00:05:28,014 I wasn't too happy about it. I wasn't too happy about it.
71 00:05:28,081 00:05:29,499 - She tell you why she stood you up? - She tell you why she stood you up?
72 00:05:29,583 00:05:32,451 - She said she had to take care of some chick she met at a club. - She said she had to take care of some chick she met at a club.
73 00:05:32,503 00:05:33,786 - Did you know this girl? - Did you know this girl?
74 00:05:33,837 00:05:36,172 - No, but I guess that her and zoe are pretty tight. - No, but I guess that her and zoe are pretty tight.
75 00:05:36,256 00:05:37,924 They, uh... they got inked together. They, uh... they got inked together.
76 00:05:37,991 00:05:39,158 - No kidding. - No kidding.
77 00:05:39,209 00:05:42,995 The tattoo parlor... your recommendation, yeah? The tattoo parlor... your recommendation, yeah?
78 00:05:43,063 00:05:44,964 - Yeah, I worked on her. - Yeah, I worked on her.
79 00:05:45,015 00:05:46,132 She said she was a friend of tommy's. She said she was a friend of tommy's.
80 00:05:46,183 00:05:47,300 - We're gonna need the name - We're gonna need the name
81 00:05:47,351 00:05:48,834 And description of the girl she was with. And description of the girl she was with.
82 00:05:48,886 00:05:50,102 - She's hard to miss. - She's hard to miss.
83 00:05:50,170 00:05:51,938 Uh, she had a green jacket Uh, she had a green jacket
84 00:05:52,005 00:05:54,173 And dark hair with racing stripes. And dark hair with racing stripes.
85 00:05:54,224 00:05:56,809 - The tattoo you did, this it? - The tattoo you did, this it?
86 00:05:56,860 00:05:58,611 - This isn't representative of my work. - This isn't representative of my work.
87 00:05:58,678 00:06:00,679 They wouldn't let me finish. They wouldn't let me finish.
88 00:06:00,731 00:06:03,733 - What would this look like finished? - What would this look like finished?
89 00:06:06,570 00:06:09,372 A devil stabbing an angel? A devil stabbing an angel?
90 00:06:09,456 00:06:11,290 - It's their own design. They brought it in. - It's their own design. They brought it in.
91 00:06:11,358 00:06:13,125 - Why wouldn't they let you finish it? - Why wouldn't they let you finish it?
92 00:06:13,193 00:06:14,460 - The one in the green jacket - The one in the green jacket
93 00:06:14,527 00:06:16,546 Was worried about missing some curfew. Was worried about missing some curfew.
94 00:06:16,630 00:06:18,548 She said a guard wouldn't let her in past 11:00. She said a guard wouldn't let her in past 11:00.
95 00:06:18,632 00:06:22,134 - This bloodstain, whose is it? - This bloodstain, whose is it?
96 00:06:22,202 00:06:25,204 - The friend, the green jacket. - The friend, the green jacket.
97 00:06:25,255 00:06:28,341 It got on there when I was inking her. It got on there when I was inking her.
98 00:06:28,392 00:06:31,543 - Hey, the blood from the sketch - Hey, the blood from the sketch
99 00:06:31,595 00:06:34,597 Matched an unidentified blood swab from zoe's bedroom. Matched an unidentified blood swab from zoe's bedroom.
100 00:06:34,681 00:06:36,315 - So her friend was there. - So her friend was there.
101 00:06:36,383 00:06:39,051 - Yeah, as a witness or an accomplice. - Yeah, as a witness or an accomplice.
102 00:06:39,102 00:06:41,887 - A girl with an 11:00 p.M. Curfew and a security guard. - A girl with an 11:00 p.M. Curfew and a security guard.
103 00:06:41,939 00:06:44,156 You think a halfway house or a shelter for runaways? You think a halfway house or a shelter for runaways?
104 00:06:44,224 00:06:46,826 - No, I think we're gonna be ringing a lot of doorbells. - No, I think we're gonna be ringing a lot of doorbells.
105 00:06:46,893 00:06:47,944 - Yeah. - Yeah.
106 00:06:48,028 00:06:51,197 Oh, b, is this tie on straight? Oh, b, is this tie on straight?
107 00:06:51,248 00:06:52,365 I mean... I mean...
108 00:06:52,416 00:06:53,833 - You going to your first communion? - You going to your first communion?
109 00:06:53,900 00:06:55,067 - You heard the lieu. - You heard the lieu.
110 00:06:55,118 00:06:56,702 I'm just trying to be more professional. I'm just trying to be more professional.
111 00:06:56,753 00:06:58,204 - Well, you look sharp, lupes. - Well, you look sharp, lupes.
112 00:06:58,255 00:07:00,239 Now can we go? Now can we go?
113 00:07:02,976 00:07:04,710 - This girl's bonnie jones. - This girl's bonnie jones.
114 00:07:04,761 00:07:06,178 She stayed with us for three weeks. She stayed with us for three weeks.
115 00:07:06,246 00:07:08,714 I have a picture we took of her for an I.D. I have a picture we took of her for an I.D.
116 00:07:08,765 00:07:12,051 The other girl I saw a few times out front with bonnie. The other girl I saw a few times out front with bonnie.
117 00:07:12,102 00:07:13,886 - Okay. You know where we can find bonnie? - Okay. You know where we can find bonnie?
118 00:07:13,937 00:07:15,921 - No. She left about a week ago. - No. She left about a week ago.
119 00:07:15,973 00:07:17,089 - Why do you need to talk to her? - Why do you need to talk to her?
120 00:07:17,140 00:07:19,525 - Oh, this girl, zoe morgan, - Oh, this girl, zoe morgan,
121 00:07:19,592 00:07:22,061 Her and her family were killed last Tuesday. Her and her family were killed last Tuesday.
122 00:07:22,112 00:07:24,230 Bonnie might know something about it. Bonnie might know something about it.
123 00:07:25,482 00:07:26,649 - Damn. - Damn.
124 00:07:26,733 00:07:29,768 - Any idea why bonnie left the shelter? - Any idea why bonnie left the shelter?
125 00:07:29,820 00:07:30,903 - Not sure. - Not sure.
126 00:07:30,954 00:07:32,121 The day before, she got into a fight The day before, she got into a fight
127 00:07:32,205 00:07:33,372 With this pimp out front. With this pimp out front.
128 00:07:33,440 00:07:34,740 - His name's freddie. - His name's freddie.
129 00:07:34,791 00:07:36,626 Bonnie said he stole her pink backpack. Bonnie said he stole her pink backpack.
130 00:07:36,710 00:07:38,944 Freddie ran off before I could call the cops. Freddie ran off before I could call the cops.
131 00:07:38,996 00:07:40,779 - Freddie tracked her down to the morgans. - Freddie tracked her down to the morgans.
132 00:07:40,831 00:07:42,131 If we wanted to find freddie... If we wanted to find freddie...
133 00:07:42,215 00:07:44,000 - The beat cops have run him off the block a few times. - The beat cops have run him off the block a few times.
134 00:07:44,084 00:07:46,135 I'm sure they'd have his information. I'm sure they'd have his information.
135 00:07:46,219 00:07:47,303 [Pounding at door] [Pounding at door]
136 00:07:47,387 00:07:50,890 - Freddie, it's me, the super, achmed. - Freddie, it's me, the super, achmed.
137 00:07:50,957 00:07:53,809 L-I told you, he's away on a vacation or something. L-I told you, he's away on a vacation or something.
138 00:07:53,894 00:07:55,394 - You smelling that? - You smelling that?
139 00:07:55,462 00:07:58,064 - Yeah. Decomp. - Yeah. Decomp.
140 00:07:58,131 00:07:59,732 - Hello! - Hello!
141 00:08:03,854 00:08:04,904 [Clears throat] [Clears throat]
142 00:08:04,971 00:08:06,472 You never noticed that smell? You never noticed that smell?
143 00:08:06,523 00:08:09,075 - I got allergies. - I got allergies.
144 00:08:10,911 00:08:13,079 - I'm covered. - I'm covered.
145 00:08:13,146 00:08:14,163 Stay here. Stay here.
146 00:08:19,419 00:08:20,986 - Wow. - Wow.
147 00:08:22,622 00:08:24,457 Well, to quote curtis mayfield... Well, to quote curtis mayfield...
148 00:08:24,508 00:08:27,093 Freddie's dead. Freddie's dead.
149 00:08:27,160 00:08:29,011 - At least a week... - At least a week...
150 00:08:29,096 00:08:30,930 Which takes takes him out of the running Which takes takes him out of the running
151 00:08:30,997 00:08:32,664 For killing the morgan family. For killing the morgan family.
152 00:08:32,716 00:08:34,550 - Whoever killed them probably killed freddie. - Whoever killed them probably killed freddie.
153 00:08:34,634 00:08:35,685 Check that out. Check that out.
154 00:08:35,769 00:08:38,604 A knife in the neck... A knife in the neck...
155 00:08:38,671 00:08:41,807 A killer who signs his work. A killer who signs his work.
156 00:08:47,224 00:08:48,725 - Nothing from the canvass. You? - Nothing from the canvass. You?
157 00:08:48,776 00:08:51,477 - There's eight kinds of nasty down here, but I got something. - There's eight kinds of nasty down here, but I got something.
158 00:08:51,562 00:08:54,280 Could be bonnie's backpack. Could be bonnie's backpack.
159 00:08:54,364 00:08:57,066 [Backpack unzipping] [Backpack unzipping]
160 00:08:57,117 00:09:00,036 - Brush, dark hair... - Brush, dark hair...
161 00:09:00,103 00:09:01,954 Smokes... Smokes...
162 00:09:05,793 00:09:07,943 - Bonnie in better days. - Bonnie in better days.
163 00:09:10,080 00:09:12,548 - And two ticket stubs to the horrorcore fest - And two ticket stubs to the horrorcore fest
164 00:09:12,616 00:09:13,783 At the red bar. At the red bar.
165 00:09:13,834 00:09:15,802 This show was the night before bonnie This show was the night before bonnie
166 00:09:15,886 00:09:17,804 Had her fight with freddie. Had her fight with freddie.
167 00:09:20,557 00:09:23,643 - Sorry, man, juggalos all look alike to me. - Sorry, man, juggalos all look alike to me.
168 00:09:23,727 00:09:25,228 - Juggalos? - Juggalos?
169 00:09:25,295 00:09:28,014 - That's what those horrorcore rap psychos call themselves. - That's what those horrorcore rap psychos call themselves.
170 00:09:28,098 00:09:30,349 They put on clown make-up, dye their hair. They put on clown make-up, dye their hair.
171 00:09:30,434 00:09:32,301 They're freaks, man. They're freaks, man.
172 00:09:32,369 00:09:33,803 - That's a matter of opinion, yeah? - That's a matter of opinion, yeah?
173 00:09:33,871 00:09:35,805 - Oh, a matter of fact. - Oh, a matter of fact.
174 00:09:35,856 00:09:38,174 Their music's all about how much they hate everybody Their music's all about how much they hate everybody
175 00:09:38,242 00:09:39,692 And what they're gonna do about it. And what they're gonna do about it.
176 00:09:39,777 00:09:41,194 Their promoter left these. Their promoter left these.
177 00:09:41,278 00:09:44,997 Help yourself to a horrorcore cd. Help yourself to a horrorcore cd.
178 00:09:45,082 00:09:46,699 This is one of the rappers from the show. This is one of the rappers from the show.
179 00:09:46,784 00:09:48,668 aaah! aaah!
180 00:09:48,752 00:09:50,670 murder! murder!
181 00:09:50,754 00:09:51,754 - You cater to this crowd? - You cater to this crowd?
182 00:09:51,822 00:09:53,489 - No, they're not that popular. - No, they're not that popular.
183 00:09:53,540 00:09:55,658 I book the acts a few times a year. I book the acts a few times a year.
184 00:09:55,709 00:09:57,794 - So where do the juggalos hang out? - So where do the juggalos hang out?
185 00:09:57,845 00:10:00,129 - In front of their computers. They're losers. - In front of their computers. They're losers.
186 00:10:00,180 00:10:01,330 [Glass shatters] [Glass shatters]
187 00:10:01,381 00:10:03,182 - [Grunts] New barback. - [Grunts] New barback.
188 00:10:03,267 00:10:05,718 [Man rapping in video] [Man rapping in video]
189 00:10:05,803 00:10:07,603 - If the killer was looking for inspiration, - If the killer was looking for inspiration,
190 00:10:07,671 00:10:09,272 This'd be the place. This'd be the place.
191 00:10:09,339 00:10:13,359 - Right down to his signature move. - Right down to his signature move.
192 00:10:13,443 00:10:16,479 - cut my head off, grow another... - cut my head off, grow another...
193 00:10:16,530 00:10:17,980 - The band's website doesn't give a clue - The band's website doesn't give a clue
194 00:10:18,031 00:10:19,732 What this knife-in-neck thing's about. What this knife-in-neck thing's about.
195 00:10:19,817 00:10:21,984 - Well, kids tend to brag about their crimes. - Well, kids tend to brag about their crimes.
196 00:10:22,035 00:10:24,186 Check with the message board. Check with the message board.
197 00:10:24,238 00:10:27,824 - There's a lot of messages to the band. - There's a lot of messages to the band.
198 00:10:27,875 00:10:31,060 - Search "knife in neck." [Keys clacking] - Search "knife in neck." [Keys clacking]
199 00:10:32,696 00:10:37,300 - One hit... it's a link. - One hit... it's a link.
200 00:10:37,367 00:10:39,669 - "Therealgore. Com... - "Therealgore. Com...
201 00:10:39,720 00:10:42,054 Photos of the grotesque for the disturbed." Photos of the grotesque for the disturbed."
202 00:10:42,139 00:10:43,556 - That's nice. They give you a choice. - That's nice. They give you a choice.
203 00:10:43,640 00:10:46,058 You can choose car accidents, suicides, decapitations. You can choose car accidents, suicides, decapitations.
204 00:10:46,143 00:10:48,427 - "Knife in the neck." - "Knife in the neck."
205 00:10:51,648 00:10:54,267 - That... that's... that's our victim, don morgan. - That... that's... that's our victim, don morgan.
206 00:10:57,271 00:10:59,155 - Look... - Look...
207 00:10:59,222 00:11:01,574 Our photo has footprints that theirs doesn't have. Our photo has footprints that theirs doesn't have.
208 00:11:01,658 00:11:04,226 - Their picture was taken before the police got there - Their picture was taken before the police got there
209 00:11:04,278 00:11:05,278 By the perp. By the perp.
210 00:11:05,362 00:11:07,897 - It was posted by "crazyj." - It was posted by "crazyj."
211 00:11:09,783 00:11:11,901 - Finding crazyj is not gonna be so easy. - Finding crazyj is not gonna be so easy.
212 00:11:11,952 00:11:14,904 He uses proxies to hide his I.P. Address, He uses proxies to hide his I.P. Address,
213 00:11:14,955 00:11:18,291 And he's been busy trading blood-and-guts photos And he's been busy trading blood-and-guts photos
214 00:11:18,375 00:11:19,876 With other people online. With other people online.
215 00:11:19,927 00:11:23,579 Porno I get, but this stuff? Porno I get, but this stuff?
216 00:11:23,630 00:11:25,648 - I used to know a couple of a.D.A. S - I used to know a couple of a.D.A. S
217 00:11:25,716 00:11:27,934 Who'd swap polaroids of crime scenes... Who'd swap polaroids of crime scenes...
218 00:11:28,018 00:11:29,468 The bloodier the better. The bloodier the better.
219 00:11:29,553 00:11:31,187 - Yeah, when we were kids, my brother and I - Yeah, when we were kids, my brother and I
220 00:11:31,254 00:11:33,439 Used to collect civil war bubble gum cards... Used to collect civil war bubble gum cards...
221 00:11:33,523 00:11:35,391 Bodies blown to bits, Bodies blown to bits,
222 00:11:35,442 00:11:37,393 Bellies gutted by bayonets, Bellies gutted by bayonets,
223 00:11:37,444 00:11:38,895 All in full color. All in full color.
224 00:11:38,946 00:11:40,696 [Chuckles] We loved them. [Chuckles] We loved them.
225 00:11:40,764 00:11:43,115 - I found some messages from crazyj - I found some messages from crazyj
226 00:11:43,200 00:11:45,434 On an anime and comic-book site. On an anime and comic-book site.
227 00:11:45,485 00:11:47,904 He's a big fan of graphic novels. He's a big fan of graphic novels.
228 00:11:47,955 00:11:49,605 - Yeah? Which ones? - Yeah? Which ones?
229 00:11:49,656 00:11:50,940 - Take a look. - Take a look.
230 00:11:50,991 00:11:52,775 His top ten of all time. His top ten of all time.
231 00:11:52,826 00:11:54,076 - The gore house mysteries... - The gore house mysteries...
232 00:11:54,127 00:11:56,111 It's okay. I wouldn't put it on my top ten. It's okay. I wouldn't put it on my top ten.
233 00:11:56,163 00:11:58,080 Shrieking lunatic is pretty good. Shrieking lunatic is pretty good.
234 00:11:58,131 00:12:00,166 He posted some of his artwork. He posted some of his artwork.
235 00:12:00,250 00:12:01,217 Click that. Click that.
236 00:12:01,284 00:12:03,336 - Mm-hmm. - Mm-hmm.
237 00:12:07,307 00:12:08,724 - Looks familiar. - Looks familiar.
238 00:12:08,792 00:12:10,426 - An artist who draws from reality. - An artist who draws from reality.
239 00:12:10,494 00:12:13,128 - And he's working on another one called "black madonna." - And he's working on another one called "black madonna."
240 00:12:13,180 00:12:15,648 "With red and white dreadlocks "With red and white dreadlocks
241 00:12:15,732 00:12:19,101 Spread around her head like a halo." Spread around her head like a halo."
242 00:12:21,805 00:12:24,323 - What are you doing here? - What are you doing here?
243 00:12:24,408 00:12:25,508 - Have you heard from bonnie? - Have you heard from bonnie?
244 00:12:25,575 00:12:27,159 - No. Can't we do this tomorrow? - No. Can't we do this tomorrow?
245 00:12:27,244 00:12:28,244 - We believe she's hooked up - We believe she's hooked up
246 00:12:28,311 00:12:29,812 With a very dangerous individual. With a very dangerous individual.
247 00:12:29,863 00:12:31,330 - Is there some problem here? - Is there some problem here?
248 00:12:31,415 00:12:33,482 - They're looking for bonnie. - Whose green jacket is that? - They're looking for bonnie. - Whose green jacket is that?
249 00:12:33,533 00:12:35,084 It's bonnie's, isn't it? She's here. It's bonnie's, isn't it? She's here.
250 00:12:35,151 00:12:36,786 - She says you've been harassing her. - She says you've been harassing her.
251 00:12:36,837 00:12:39,255 [Door slams] [Door slams]
252 00:12:39,322 00:12:40,589 - Hey, okay, I'm going. - Hey, okay, I'm going.
253 00:12:40,657 00:12:42,425 - You got to let me in right now, please. - You got to let me in right now, please.
254 00:12:42,492 00:12:44,043 [Door opens] Where is she? [Door opens] Where is she?
255 00:12:44,127 00:12:45,494 - Playing with sasha. - Playing with sasha.
256 00:12:47,681 00:12:49,181 [Door closes] [Door closes]
257 00:13:01,979 00:13:05,281 - Aah! - Aah!
258 00:13:05,348 00:13:06,983 [Groaning] [Groaning]
259 00:13:07,034 00:13:08,851 - Bonnie? - Bonnie?
260 00:13:12,289 00:13:13,856 It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay.
261 00:13:13,907 00:13:16,025 Just relax. Just relax.
262 00:13:16,076 00:13:17,860 Bonnie, put the knife down. Bonnie, put the knife down.
263 00:13:17,911 00:13:19,628 Let her go. - Oh, my... Let her go. - Oh, my...
264 00:13:19,696 00:13:21,831 - Bonnie, let her go. - Bonnie, let her go.
265 00:13:21,882 00:13:24,500 - [Breathing shakily] - [Breathing shakily]
266 00:13:24,551 00:13:26,635 - It's gonna be all right. - It's gonna be all right.
267 00:13:26,703 00:13:28,971 It's okay. It's okay.
268 00:13:29,039 00:13:30,873 Just put the knife down. Just put the knife down.
269 00:13:37,597 00:13:39,565 Come on. Come on.
270 00:13:40,884 00:13:42,651 - Sasha. - Sasha.
271 00:13:46,523 00:13:50,493 - Kill me, or I will kill myself. - Kill me, or I will kill myself.
272 00:13:55,282 00:13:57,233 - It's gonna snow tonight. - It's gonna snow tonight.
273 00:13:57,300 00:14:00,803 You can smell it in the air. You can smell it in the air.
274 00:14:00,871 00:14:02,338 I remember when I was a kid I remember when I was a kid
275 00:14:02,405 00:14:05,875 How I'd look out the window before I went to bed, How I'd look out the window before I went to bed,
276 00:14:05,926 00:14:10,212 Waiting for the snow, hoping for a snow day. Waiting for the snow, hoping for a snow day.
277 00:14:11,748 00:14:15,134 And then I'd hear the snow falling on the window And then I'd hear the snow falling on the window
278 00:14:15,218 00:14:16,919 While I fell asleep. While I fell asleep.
279 00:14:18,772 00:14:21,323 And I'd wake up... And I'd wake up...
280 00:14:21,391 00:14:24,610 And the whole world... And the whole world...
281 00:14:24,694 00:14:28,697 Would be clean and white. Would be clean and white.
282 00:14:30,901 00:14:33,769 - [Breathing shakily] - [Breathing shakily]
283 00:14:47,300 00:14:48,834 - Okay. - Okay.
284 00:14:48,919 00:14:50,386 Good girl. Good girl.
285 00:14:50,453 00:14:53,055 Stand up. Stand up.
286 00:14:53,123 00:14:55,391 [Handcuffs rattle] [Handcuffs rattle]
287 00:14:57,727 00:15:00,646 - [Groaning] - [Groaning]
288 00:15:02,132 00:15:04,984 - "Justin sachs"...19. - "Justin sachs"...19.
289 00:15:05,068 00:15:07,987 This address still good? This address still good?
290 00:15:08,071 00:15:10,072 - [Groans loudly] - [Groans loudly]
291 00:15:10,140 00:15:12,741 - I bet you didn't think a big man like me - I bet you didn't think a big man like me
292 00:15:12,809 00:15:14,160 Could bust a move like that, did you? Could bust a move like that, did you?
293 00:15:14,244 00:15:16,645 - Go screw yourself, okay? [Laughs] - Go screw yourself, okay? [Laughs]
294 00:15:16,696 00:15:18,647 Screw the police! Screw the police!
295 00:15:18,698 00:15:20,783 Screw the morgans! Screw the morgans!
296 00:15:20,834 00:15:24,486 Screw all 53 states! Screw all 53 states!
297 00:15:26,873 00:15:28,290 - We're gonna need an address, - We're gonna need an address,
298 00:15:28,341 00:15:32,128 Like where you lived before the shelter. Like where you lived before the shelter.
299 00:15:32,179 00:15:34,997 - Do your parents know you're in new york? - Do your parents know you're in new york?
300 00:15:35,048 00:15:38,000 - I'm not sure. - I'm not sure.
301 00:15:38,068 00:15:39,969 - Well, we can call them for you - Well, we can call them for you
302 00:15:40,036 00:15:41,904 And let them know you're in trouble. And let them know you're in trouble.
303 00:15:43,940 00:15:46,675 - Must be tough living in a shelter. - Must be tough living in a shelter.
304 00:15:46,743 00:15:49,511 - It's not so bad. - It's not so bad.
305 00:15:49,563 00:15:52,148 - But better than home, right? - But better than home, right?
306 00:15:53,867 00:15:55,851 - I don't know. I guess. - I don't know. I guess.
307 00:15:55,919 00:15:57,987 - Was justin taking care of you? - Was justin taking care of you?
308 00:15:58,054 00:16:01,073 - Yeah, but not how you think. - Yeah, but not how you think.
309 00:16:01,158 00:16:04,059 - You mean he protected you from people like freddie? - You mean he protected you from people like freddie?
310 00:16:04,127 00:16:06,629 - I don't want to talk about that. - I don't want to talk about that.
311 00:16:06,696 00:16:11,634 - Maybe you don't understand the situation. - Maybe you don't understand the situation.
312 00:16:11,701 00:16:14,837 You're about to be charged with five murders. You're about to be charged with five murders.
313 00:16:14,905 00:16:17,139 You don't want to get your parents involved, You don't want to get your parents involved,
314 00:16:17,207 00:16:19,058 We can understand that. We can understand that.
315 00:16:19,142 00:16:23,095 But you need to explain yourself, bonnie. But you need to explain yourself, bonnie.
316 00:16:23,180 00:16:24,546 The longer you wait... The longer you wait...
317 00:16:24,598 00:16:26,515 - My name's not bonnie. - My name's not bonnie.
318 00:16:26,566 00:16:28,751 - Okay. - Okay.
319 00:16:28,818 00:16:30,352 What's your name? What's your name?
320 00:16:30,420 00:16:33,222 - I don't know. I don't... - I don't know. I don't...
321 00:16:33,273 00:16:34,773 I don't... I don't remember. I don't... I don't remember.
322 00:16:34,858 00:16:38,777 I can't remember who I am or where I'm from. I can't remember who I am or where I'm from.
323 00:16:38,862 00:16:42,564 Please help me. I can't remember anything. Please help me. I can't remember anything.
324 00:16:53,619 00:16:56,487 - My real name's not bonnie. - My real name's not bonnie.
325 00:16:56,539 00:16:58,523 That's what justin called me. That's what justin called me.
326 00:16:58,591 00:17:00,325 - How did you meet justin? - How did you meet justin?
327 00:17:00,393 00:17:02,060 - I was in times square, - I was in times square,
328 00:17:02,128 00:17:04,930 And this creep, freddie, wanted me to come stay with him, And this creep, freddie, wanted me to come stay with him,
329 00:17:04,997 00:17:07,599 And justin scared him away And justin scared him away
330 00:17:07,667 00:17:10,168 And told me that freddie was a pimp. And told me that freddie was a pimp.
331 00:17:10,236 00:17:13,004 - Okay. What did you do after that? - Okay. What did you do after that?
332 00:17:13,072 00:17:16,174 Justin bought me a pizza, Justin bought me a pizza,
333 00:17:16,225 00:17:18,343 And then he took me to the shelter, And then he took me to the shelter,
334 00:17:18,411 00:17:20,478 And he told me that I'd be safe there. And he told me that I'd be safe there.
335 00:17:20,546 00:17:22,864 - What else did you do with justin? - What else did you do with justin?
336 00:17:22,949 00:17:27,285 - Um, we went to see a lot of these horrorcore bands. - Um, we went to see a lot of these horrorcore bands.
337 00:17:27,353 00:17:30,188 We listened to a lot of that music. We listened to a lot of that music.
338 00:17:30,256 00:17:32,824 - Do you remember how you got to new york? - Do you remember how you got to new york?
339 00:17:32,875 00:17:35,427 - On a bus. - On a bus.
340 00:17:35,494 00:17:37,996 But I don't know where it came from. But I don't know where it came from.
341 00:17:38,064 00:17:40,498 - Your parents... are they alive? - Your parents... are they alive?
342 00:17:40,566 00:17:44,302 - I don't know. I can't even picture them. - I don't know. I can't even picture them.
343 00:17:44,370 00:17:45,637 - You know, bonnie, - You know, bonnie,
344 00:17:45,705 00:17:48,807 The police put your photograph on the internet, The police put your photograph on the internet,
345 00:17:48,874 00:17:51,176 In case anybody might recognize you. In case anybody might recognize you.
346 00:17:51,243 00:17:53,595 Is that okay with you? Is that okay with you?
347 00:17:53,679 00:17:54,813 - I mean, yeah. - I mean, yeah.
348 00:17:54,880 00:17:57,399 Isn't it good if somebody recognizes me? Isn't it good if somebody recognizes me?
349 00:18:00,953 00:18:04,105 - You had this photograph with you. - You had this photograph with you.
350 00:18:04,190 00:18:07,525 - Um, I found it in my backpack. - Um, I found it in my backpack.
351 00:18:07,593 00:18:10,562 I think it might be me, but I'm not sure. I think it might be me, but I'm not sure.
352 00:18:10,630 00:18:15,300 - Do you remember playing in the snow? - Do you remember playing in the snow?
353 00:18:17,803 00:18:19,404 - No. - No.
354 00:18:21,874 00:18:24,075 Can you help me remember who I am? Can you help me remember who I am?
355 00:18:24,126 00:18:26,177 - Well, that's not why I'm here, bonnie. - Well, that's not why I'm here, bonnie.
356 00:18:26,245 00:18:28,579 I'm not here to help you remember. I'm not here to help you remember.
357 00:18:31,050 00:18:32,784 You disappointed? You disappointed?
358 00:18:32,852 00:18:34,219 Angry? Angry?
359 00:18:34,270 00:18:35,787 Hmm? Hmm?
360 00:18:35,855 00:18:38,273 Here... Here...
361 00:18:38,357 00:18:40,025 Slap me in the face. Slap me in the face.
362 00:18:40,092 00:18:42,160 Go ahead. Go ahead.
363 00:18:42,228 00:18:45,280 Take it out on me. It's okay. Take it out on me. It's okay.
364 00:18:45,364 00:18:46,598 - No. - No.
365 00:18:46,666 00:18:48,633 - Why not? Are you afraid? - Why not? Are you afraid?
366 00:18:48,701 00:18:51,236 - No. L-I don't want to hurt you. - No. L-I don't want to hurt you.
367 00:18:51,303 00:18:53,038 That's wrong. That's wrong.
368 00:18:54,840 00:18:56,107 - Whatever else is ailing her, - Whatever else is ailing her,
369 00:18:56,158 00:18:58,209 It hasn't affected her sense of right and wrong. It hasn't affected her sense of right and wrong.
370 00:18:58,277 00:18:59,494 - Good enough for me. - Good enough for me.
371 00:18:59,578 00:19:01,129 - Not for me. - Not for me.
372 00:19:01,213 00:19:03,631 What about her amnesia? What about her amnesia?
373 00:19:03,716 00:19:05,800 - Global dissociative amnesia, - Global dissociative amnesia,
374 00:19:05,885 00:19:09,254 Which she's claiming to have, is beyond rare. Which she's claiming to have, is beyond rare.
375 00:19:09,305 00:19:12,090 And there's usually some fubar brain injury to explain it, And there's usually some fubar brain injury to explain it,
376 00:19:12,141 00:19:13,825 Which I didn't detect in this girl. Which I didn't detect in this girl.
377 00:19:13,893 00:19:16,428 - So her claim is a crock. She's acting. - So her claim is a crock. She's acting.
378 00:19:16,495 00:19:19,497 - Absent a medical history and a full neurological workup, - Absent a medical history and a full neurological workup,
379 00:19:19,565 00:19:20,932 Yeah, it's a crock. Yeah, it's a crock.
380 00:19:21,000 00:19:22,567 But I could be wrong. But I could be wrong.
381 00:19:22,635 00:19:24,853 - Ain't science grand? - Ain't science grand?
382 00:19:24,937 00:19:26,838 - What about justin's influence over her? - What about justin's influence over her?
383 00:19:26,906 00:19:28,823 I mean, he saved her from a pimp, I mean, he saved her from a pimp,
384 00:19:28,908 00:19:30,859 Gave her food and shelter. Gave her food and shelter.
385 00:19:30,943 00:19:32,844 - She needed his approval to survive, no doubt. - She needed his approval to survive, no doubt.
386 00:19:32,912 00:19:34,579 She had to like what he liked. She had to like what he liked.
387 00:19:34,646 00:19:36,581 - Horrorcore music and violence. - Horrorcore music and violence.
388 00:19:36,648 00:19:38,500 - Well, if we're all agreed she's competent to stand trial, - Well, if we're all agreed she's competent to stand trial,
389 00:19:38,584 00:19:40,668 We'll move ahead with the morgan homicides first. We'll move ahead with the morgan homicides first.
390 00:19:40,753 00:19:41,786 [Cell phone beeps] [Cell phone beeps]
391 00:19:41,837 00:19:44,422 - The police have bonnie's parents. - The police have bonnie's parents.
392 00:19:44,490 00:19:46,674 - This is what your daughter looked like - This is what your daughter looked like
393 00:19:46,759 00:19:48,326 When she was arrested. When she was arrested.
394 00:19:48,377 00:19:50,845 - Oh, my god, amanda. Is she all right? - Oh, my god, amanda. Is she all right?
395 00:19:50,930 00:19:52,664 - She was examined by a doctor. - She was examined by a doctor.
396 00:19:52,732 00:19:54,682 She's in good physical health. She's in good physical health.
397 00:19:54,767 00:19:56,217 - What was amanda arrested for? - What was amanda arrested for?
398 00:19:56,302 00:19:58,853 - She's charged as an accomplice in five murders. - She's charged as an accomplice in five murders.
399 00:19:58,938 00:20:01,339 - Oh, god. That's impossible. - Oh, my god. - Oh, god. That's impossible. - Oh, my god.
400 00:20:01,390 00:20:03,191 - When was the last time you heard from your daughter? - When was the last time you heard from your daughter?
401 00:20:03,275 00:20:04,559 - 41 days ago. - 41 days ago.
402 00:20:04,643 00:20:06,861 She left home for choir practice, She left home for choir practice,
403 00:20:06,946 00:20:08,530 And she just disappeared. And she just disappeared.
404 00:20:08,614 00:20:10,949 And then my sister saw her picture on the internet. And then my sister saw her picture on the internet.
405 00:20:11,016 00:20:12,033 - Look at her. - Look at her.
406 00:20:12,118 00:20:13,401 Amanda would never hurt anybody. Amanda would never hurt anybody.
407 00:20:13,486 00:20:15,236 She sings in the minneapolis children's choir. She sings in the minneapolis children's choir.
408 00:20:15,321 00:20:16,521 She tutors poor kids. She tutors poor kids.
409 00:20:16,572 00:20:18,740 - We'd like to see her as soon as possible. - We'd like to see her as soon as possible.
410 00:20:18,824 00:20:20,325 Does she have a lawyer? Does she have a lawyer?
411 00:20:20,376 00:20:22,193 - A legal aid lawyer was appointed. - A legal aid lawyer was appointed.
412 00:20:22,244 00:20:24,295 - Well, I think we can do better than that. - Well, I think we can do better than that.
413 00:20:24,363 00:20:25,713 - Mr. Evans, you should know - Mr. Evans, you should know
414 00:20:25,798 00:20:28,699 That she's claiming to have amnesia. That she's claiming to have amnesia.
415 00:20:28,751 00:20:30,368 She even told a court psychiatrist She even told a court psychiatrist
416 00:20:30,419 00:20:32,337 That she doesn't remember her parents. That she doesn't remember her parents.
417 00:20:32,404 00:20:33,588 - "Claiming"? - "Claiming"?
418 00:20:33,672 00:20:35,223 Why do you think she disappeared in the first place? Why do you think she disappeared in the first place?
419 00:20:35,307 00:20:36,391 Come on, darlene. Come on, darlene.
420 00:20:44,883 00:20:47,101 - Amanda? - Amanda?
421 00:20:47,186 00:20:49,020 It's mom. It's mom.
422 00:20:49,071 00:20:51,406 - Amanda? - Amanda?
423 00:20:51,490 00:20:52,824 We're your parents. We're your parents.
424 00:20:52,891 00:20:54,692 - We found you. - We found you.
425 00:20:54,743 00:20:57,745 [Tearfully] Oh, thank god we found you. [Tearfully] Oh, thank god we found you.
426 00:21:00,249 00:21:02,233 - Amanda? That's my name? - Amanda? That's my name?
427 00:21:02,284 00:21:04,335 - Amanda evans. - Amanda evans.
428 00:21:04,403 00:21:06,671 You're our baby girl. You're our baby girl.
429 00:21:06,738 00:21:08,039 - Look... - Look...
430 00:21:08,090 00:21:09,424 This is you. This is you.
431 00:21:09,508 00:21:11,576 This is last winter. This is last winter.
432 00:21:11,627 00:21:15,246 You had such beautiful hair. You had such beautiful hair.
433 00:21:15,297 00:21:18,550 - You're safe now, amanda. - You're safe now, amanda.
434 00:21:18,601 00:21:20,635 We'll take care of you. - [Crying] We'll take care of you. - [Crying]
435 00:21:20,719 00:21:23,271 - Okay. Show's over. - Okay. Show's over.
436 00:21:23,355 00:21:27,091 I'd like some privacy with my client and her parents. I'd like some privacy with my client and her parents.
437 00:21:30,529 00:21:34,132 - I think the show's just starting. - I think the show's just starting.
438 00:21:34,200 00:21:36,234 [Door opens, buzzer sounds] [Door opens, buzzer sounds]
439 00:21:39,171 00:21:41,906 - Last spring amanda wiped out on a bike trail - Last spring amanda wiped out on a bike trail
440 00:21:41,957 00:21:44,492 And was knocked unconscious. And was knocked unconscious.
441 00:21:44,577 00:21:47,045 They said it was only a concussion, They said it was only a concussion,
442 00:21:47,112 00:21:51,783 But she started having episodes where she'd get disoriented. But she started having episodes where she'd get disoriented.
443 00:21:51,851 00:21:53,885 - Can you give us some examples? - Can you give us some examples?
444 00:21:53,953 00:21:55,687 - She left for school one day, - She left for school one day,
445 00:21:55,754 00:21:57,021 And the police found her And the police found her
446 00:21:57,089 00:22:00,391 Wandering around a parking lot five miles away. Wandering around a parking lot five miles away.
447 00:22:00,459 00:22:03,127 She couldn't remember how she got there. She couldn't remember how she got there.
448 00:22:03,178 00:22:06,097 - Has she received any medical care - Has she received any medical care
449 00:22:06,148 00:22:07,965 For this problem? For this problem?
450 00:22:08,017 00:22:12,036 - Her doctor thinks there's brain injury, - Her doctor thinks there's brain injury,
451 00:22:12,104 00:22:14,839 But amanda's mris were normal. But amanda's mris were normal.
452 00:22:17,109 00:22:19,444 I know she's in there somewhere. I know she's in there somewhere.
453 00:22:19,495 00:22:23,314 We're sorry for the families of the victims, We're sorry for the families of the victims,
454 00:22:23,365 00:22:26,517 But the real amanda could never have done this. But the real amanda could never have done this.
455 00:22:35,344 00:22:38,496 - What parking lot was amanda found in? - What parking lot was amanda found in?
456 00:22:38,564 00:22:41,182 - The southdale shopping center. - The southdale shopping center.
457 00:22:41,267 00:22:43,000 - A shopping mall. - A shopping mall.
458 00:22:43,052 00:22:45,169 Isn't it possible Isn't it possible
459 00:22:45,220 00:22:49,340 She just ditched school to go to the mall? She just ditched school to go to the mall?
460 00:22:49,391 00:22:51,776 - The police said she was disoriented. - The police said she was disoriented.
461 00:22:51,844 00:22:54,178 - Well, when she left home, the day she disappeared, - Well, when she left home, the day she disappeared,
462 00:22:54,246 00:22:55,546 How did she seem to you? How did she seem to you?
463 00:22:55,614 00:22:57,014 - She seemed fine, - She seemed fine,
464 00:22:57,066 00:22:59,083 Or else we wouldn't have let her leave home. Or else we wouldn't have let her leave home.
465 00:22:59,151 00:23:01,686 - We have a report here that says that she went - We have a report here that says that she went
466 00:23:01,737 00:23:06,958 To an atm and emptied her bank account of $130. To an atm and emptied her bank account of $130.
467 00:23:07,025 00:23:08,192 Do you know if she did that Do you know if she did that
468 00:23:08,243 00:23:11,362 Before or after she was struck with amnesia? Before or after she was struck with amnesia?
469 00:23:11,430 00:23:13,031 - Well, how do I know? - Well, how do I know?
470 00:23:13,098 00:23:15,800 - Before or after she bought a bus ticket to new york city? - Before or after she bought a bus ticket to new york city?
471 00:23:15,867 00:23:18,035 - Please, mr. Cutter, there's something wrong - Please, mr. Cutter, there's something wrong
472 00:23:18,087 00:23:19,370 With my daughter. With my daughter.
473 00:23:19,438 00:23:22,440 I know it. I know it.
474 00:23:22,508 00:23:24,509 - We have proof of a head injury, - We have proof of a head injury,
475 00:23:24,560 00:23:27,095 Of her disorientation, of memory loss. Of her disorientation, of memory loss.
476 00:23:27,179 00:23:29,564 - All before her arrival in new york. - All before her arrival in new york.
477 00:23:29,648 00:23:32,817 And there's no dispute that she remembers her adventures And there's no dispute that she remembers her adventures
478 00:23:32,884 00:23:33,985 With justin sachs. With justin sachs.
479 00:23:34,052 00:23:35,820 - Which is irrelevant to the fact - Which is irrelevant to the fact
480 00:23:35,887 00:23:37,888 That she has no memory of who she is. That she has no memory of who she is.
481 00:23:37,940 00:23:40,825 - She remembers her values. - She remembers her values.
482 00:23:40,892 00:23:44,162 She can tell right from wrong. She can tell right from wrong.
483 00:23:44,229 00:23:46,164 And that's more relevant here And that's more relevant here
484 00:23:46,231 00:23:48,199 Than the details of her identity. Than the details of her identity.
485 00:23:48,250 00:23:49,917 - All right. All right. - All right. All right.
486 00:23:50,002 00:23:53,171 I need a few days to rule on her fitness for trial. I need a few days to rule on her fitness for trial.
487 00:23:53,238 00:23:56,758 But given the subjective nature of her psych evaluations, But given the subjective nature of her psych evaluations,
488 00:23:56,842 00:24:00,511 I am inclined to err on the side of caution here. I am inclined to err on the side of caution here.
489 00:24:00,579 00:24:02,847 - Caution, there's never been a case in new york - Caution, there's never been a case in new york
490 00:24:02,914 00:24:06,217 Of a defendant being found unfit based solely on amnesia. Of a defendant being found unfit based solely on amnesia.
491 00:24:06,268 00:24:07,268 - Forget the girl. - Forget the girl.
492 00:24:07,353 00:24:09,053 Start thinking about justin sachs. Start thinking about justin sachs.
493 00:24:09,104 00:24:10,421 - That's no slam dunk. - That's no slam dunk.
494 00:24:10,472 00:24:12,273 The hatchet was cleaned with bleach. The hatchet was cleaned with bleach.
495 00:24:12,358 00:24:13,641 We can't tie him to the murder scenes. We can't tie him to the murder scenes.
496 00:24:13,726 00:24:15,693 - Well, we have his drawings of the murders. - Well, we have his drawings of the murders.
497 00:24:15,761 00:24:17,395 - You're kidding, right? - You're kidding, right?
498 00:24:17,446 00:24:19,030 They'll have every artist from richard prince They'll have every artist from richard prince
499 00:24:19,097 00:24:21,899 To jeff koons lining up in his defense. To jeff koons lining up in his defense.
500 00:24:21,950 00:24:25,536 You have one eyewitness to his crimes... You have one eyewitness to his crimes...
501 00:24:25,604 00:24:26,788 His co-defendant. His co-defendant.
502 00:24:26,872 00:24:28,239 - Now you're kidding. - Now you're kidding.
503 00:24:28,290 00:24:30,041 This girl was about to cut an eight-year-old's throat. This girl was about to cut an eight-year-old's throat.
504 00:24:30,108 00:24:31,325 I'm not making her a deal. I'm not making her a deal.
505 00:24:31,410 00:24:33,578 - If the judge finds her unfit for trial, - If the judge finds her unfit for trial,
506 00:24:33,629 00:24:35,830 Who knows when you'll get your bite at her? Who knows when you'll get your bite at her?
507 00:24:35,914 00:24:38,016 - But if we let her take an insanity plea - But if we let her take an insanity plea
508 00:24:38,083 00:24:39,467 In exchange for testimony, In exchange for testimony,
509 00:24:39,551 00:24:41,952 She'll be locked up in a psychiatric facility. She'll be locked up in a psychiatric facility.
510 00:24:42,004 00:24:44,055 - There you go. - Let me see if I get this. - There you go. - Let me see if I get this.
511 00:24:44,122 00:24:48,559 First, we agree to have her adjudicated legally insane, First, we agree to have her adjudicated legally insane,
512 00:24:48,627 00:24:51,846 And then we make her our star witness. And then we make her our star witness.
513 00:24:51,930 00:24:54,816 - I'm not worried. - I'm not worried.
514 00:24:54,900 00:24:58,102 You've done more with less. You've done more with less.
515 00:25:02,630 00:25:04,130 - Miss evans has agreed to plead not responsible - Miss evans has agreed to plead not responsible
516 00:25:04,215 00:25:05,599 By reason of mental defect. By reason of mental defect.
517 00:25:05,683 00:25:08,268 In return, she'll be confined to a psychiatric facility In return, she'll be confined to a psychiatric facility
518 00:25:08,352 00:25:10,387 Until it's determined that she's no longer a threat. Until it's determined that she's no longer a threat.
519 00:25:10,438 00:25:12,889 She has also agreed to testify against justin sachs. She has also agreed to testify against justin sachs.
520 00:25:12,957 00:25:15,442 - Your honor, in the event the court accepts this plea, - Your honor, in the event the court accepts this plea,
521 00:25:15,526 00:25:17,894 We're moving to preclude miss evans' testimony. We're moving to preclude miss evans' testimony.
522 00:25:17,962 00:25:20,263 The people can't, on one hand, assert she's legally insane, The people can't, on one hand, assert she's legally insane,
523 00:25:20,314 00:25:22,766 While on the other present her as a credible witness. While on the other present her as a credible witness.
524 00:25:22,833 00:25:24,701 - The defense can cross-examine her. - The defense can cross-examine her.
525 00:25:24,768 00:25:26,570 The jury can make its own determination The jury can make its own determination
526 00:25:26,637 00:25:28,205 As to her credibility. As to her credibility.
527 00:25:28,272 00:25:29,623 - I agree. - I agree.
528 00:25:29,707 00:25:31,658 Your motion's denied, ms. Masters. Your motion's denied, ms. Masters.
529 00:25:38,466 00:25:40,917 - Excuse me. - Excuse me.
530 00:25:40,968 00:25:42,752 Your honor, we're serving a notice Your honor, we're serving a notice
531 00:25:42,803 00:25:45,755 That we'll present a defense of extreme emotional disturbance, That we'll present a defense of extreme emotional disturbance,
532 00:25:45,806 00:25:48,258 That mr. Sachs committed these alleged crimes That mr. Sachs committed these alleged crimes
533 00:25:48,309 00:25:51,228 While suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder. While suffering from post-traumatic stress disorder.
534 00:25:51,295 00:25:52,596 - So noted. - So noted.
535 00:25:52,647 00:25:54,097 We're adjourned. We're adjourned.
536 00:25:54,148 00:25:56,182 [Gavel bangs] [Gavel bangs]
537 00:25:56,267 00:25:58,401 - Trauma? - Trauma?
538 00:25:58,469 00:26:00,937 We didn't find any trauma in his history. We didn't find any trauma in his history.
539 00:26:00,988 00:26:02,405 The guy lives with his mother. The guy lives with his mother.
540 00:26:02,473 00:26:05,108 - Maybe his mother threw away his comic-book collection. - Maybe his mother threw away his comic-book collection.
541 00:26:05,159 00:26:06,409 - Well, please keep digging. - Well, please keep digging.
542 00:26:06,477 00:26:08,161 I don't want to find out in the middle of the trial I don't want to find out in the middle of the trial
543 00:26:08,246 00:26:11,081 That he spent his childhood chained to a radiator. That he spent his childhood chained to a radiator.
544 00:26:11,148 00:26:12,198 - What are these? - What are these?
545 00:26:12,283 00:26:14,317 - We found those on his computer. - We found those on his computer.
546 00:26:14,368 00:26:16,286 He downloaded them off different websites. He downloaded them off different websites.
547 00:26:16,337 00:26:18,655 - Pink hippos jumping out of the twin towers? - Pink hippos jumping out of the twin towers?
548 00:26:18,706 00:26:20,657 - Mm-hmm. Big funny. - Mm-hmm. Big funny.
549 00:26:20,708 00:26:23,493 Look, this is one kid who needs locking up. Look, this is one kid who needs locking up.
550 00:26:23,544 00:26:25,712 - If we come across the trauma he's stressing over, - If we come across the trauma he's stressing over,
551 00:26:25,796 00:26:27,830 We'll get back to you. We'll get back to you.
552 00:26:27,882 00:26:30,133 - Yeah, boys will be boys. - Yeah, boys will be boys.
553 00:26:36,240 00:26:39,893 - Justin met zoe on this horrorcore message board, - Justin met zoe on this horrorcore message board,
554 00:26:39,977 00:26:42,245 And the three of us started hanging out And the three of us started hanging out
555 00:26:42,313 00:26:44,347 And going to concerts together. And going to concerts together.
556 00:26:44,415 00:26:45,682 - What happened the Tuesday night - What happened the Tuesday night
557 00:26:45,733 00:26:48,418 That zoe and her family were killed? That zoe and her family were killed?
558 00:26:48,486 00:26:51,621 - Zoe invited me over to her house for a sleepover, - Zoe invited me over to her house for a sleepover,
559 00:26:51,689 00:26:54,090 And after dinner, And after dinner,
560 00:26:54,158 00:26:56,076 We were hanging out in her room partying, We were hanging out in her room partying,
561 00:26:56,160 00:26:58,094 Waiting for justin, 'cause we were gonna sneak him in Waiting for justin, 'cause we were gonna sneak him in
562 00:26:58,162 00:27:01,047 After her parents went to sleep. After her parents went to sleep.
563 00:27:01,132 00:27:05,201 And then I saw that she was texting with somebody. And then I saw that she was texting with somebody.
564 00:27:05,252 00:27:06,419 - Who was she texting? - Who was she texting?
565 00:27:06,504 00:27:10,440 - This guy, tom, a bartender. - This guy, tom, a bartender.
566 00:27:10,508 00:27:12,676 She made me swear not to tell justin. She made me swear not to tell justin.
567 00:27:12,743 00:27:14,778 - Did you tell him? - Did you tell him?
568 00:27:18,182 00:27:20,600 - Yes, when he came over. - Yes, when he came over.
569 00:27:20,685 00:27:21,985 Justin was looking out for me, Justin was looking out for me,
570 00:27:22,052 00:27:26,723 So I felt like I should look out for him. So I felt like I should look out for him.
571 00:27:26,774 00:27:29,109 He got really mad. He got really mad.
572 00:27:29,193 00:27:30,727 - What did he do? - What did he do?
573 00:27:30,795 00:27:34,230 - He told me to keep pretending like everything was cool, - He told me to keep pretending like everything was cool,
574 00:27:34,281 00:27:37,400 And he went into the kitchen. And he went into the kitchen.
575 00:27:37,451 00:27:40,570 And then he came back, and he asked zoe... And then he came back, and he asked zoe...
576 00:27:40,638 00:27:44,240 About tom, and... About tom, and...
577 00:27:44,291 00:27:47,744 She lied. She lied.
578 00:27:47,812 00:27:49,429 And then he just took out this knife, And then he just took out this knife,
579 00:27:49,513 00:27:52,148 And he started stabbing her, and he killed her. And he started stabbing her, and he killed her.
580 00:27:52,216 00:27:54,417 - What happened next? - What happened next?
581 00:27:54,468 00:27:57,087 - He said, "now we have to kill them all." - He said, "now we have to kill them all."
582 00:27:57,154 00:27:58,755 And he went and he got this hatchet And he went and he got this hatchet
583 00:27:58,806 00:28:00,523 That he would keep in his backpack, That he would keep in his backpack,
584 00:28:00,591 00:28:03,276 And zoe's dad was walking out of the bathroom, And zoe's dad was walking out of the bathroom,
585 00:28:03,361 00:28:06,429 And he just went crazy on him. And he just went crazy on him.
586 00:28:06,497 00:28:08,264 And then he went into the bedroom, And then he went into the bedroom,
587 00:28:08,315 00:28:10,933 And I could hear him killing zoe's mom, And I could hear him killing zoe's mom,
588 00:28:10,985 00:28:14,771 And then he... he went into zoe's little brother's room, And then he... he went into zoe's little brother's room,
589 00:28:14,822 00:28:18,274 And he just... he said that he couldn't find him, but... And he just... he said that he couldn't find him, but...
590 00:28:18,325 00:28:20,276 - Go on, amanda. - Go on, amanda.
591 00:28:22,630 00:28:23,997 - [Stammering] - [Stammering]
592 00:28:24,081 00:28:25,882 I could... I could...
593 00:28:25,950 00:28:27,884 I could hear zoe's little brother I could hear zoe's little brother
594 00:28:27,951 00:28:30,120 Crying really soft. Crying really soft.
595 00:28:32,223 00:28:36,793 So I told justin that he was hiding in the closet. So I told justin that he was hiding in the closet.
596 00:28:39,063 00:28:41,631 Justin killed him. Justin killed him.
597 00:28:44,635 00:28:46,820 And then he went into the hallway, And then he went into the hallway,
598 00:28:46,904 00:28:49,639 And he stuck his knife in zoe's dad's neck, And he stuck his knife in zoe's dad's neck,
599 00:28:49,690 00:28:52,975 And we left. And we left.
600 00:29:05,489 00:29:08,174 - Just to be clear, miss evans, - Just to be clear, miss evans,
601 00:29:08,259 00:29:12,595 You're saying that you didn't do any of the killing yourself? You're saying that you didn't do any of the killing yourself?
602 00:29:12,663 00:29:13,847 Is that right? Is that right?
603 00:29:13,931 00:29:17,333 - Yes, justin did it. - Yes, justin did it.
604 00:29:17,384 00:29:20,336 - Tell the jury where you live now. - Tell the jury where you live now.
605 00:29:23,841 00:29:25,975 - A psychiatric hospital. - A psychiatric hospital.
606 00:29:26,026 00:29:29,479 - Because you've been found to be legally insane, - Because you've been found to be legally insane,
607 00:29:29,530 00:29:31,815 Subject to disorientation Subject to disorientation
608 00:29:31,882 00:29:35,518 And memory lapses, right? And memory lapses, right?
609 00:29:35,586 00:29:37,537 - Yes. - Yes.
610 00:29:37,621 00:29:40,890 - No more questions. - No more questions.
611 00:29:48,916 00:29:50,032 - The photo on the left - The photo on the left
612 00:29:50,084 00:29:51,718 Was found on the defendant's laptop. Was found on the defendant's laptop.
613 00:29:51,802 00:29:53,970 It was uploaded there from a camera found in his room. It was uploaded there from a camera found in his room.
614 00:29:54,038 00:29:55,138 If you compare this photo If you compare this photo
615 00:29:55,205 00:29:56,890 To the one taken by our crime scene unit, To the one taken by our crime scene unit,
616 00:29:56,974 00:29:58,975 You can see there are fewer footprints. You can see there are fewer footprints.
617 00:29:59,042 00:30:02,345 This indicates his photo was taken at the murder scene. This indicates his photo was taken at the murder scene.
618 00:30:02,396 00:30:04,481 - Thank you. - Thank you.
619 00:30:09,603 00:30:11,821 - Your honor, the defense reserves - Your honor, the defense reserves
620 00:30:11,889 00:30:13,656 Our cross-examination of this witness Our cross-examination of this witness
621 00:30:13,724 00:30:15,992 Until after we've presented our case. Until after we've presented our case.
622 00:30:16,059 00:30:17,243 - Granted. - Granted.
623 00:30:17,328 00:30:20,580 The witness will remain available for recall. The witness will remain available for recall.
624 00:30:25,669 00:30:27,203 - Excuse me? - Excuse me?
625 00:30:27,254 00:30:28,421 - Yes, detective? - Yes, detective?
626 00:30:28,506 00:30:30,089 - I know you, right? - I know you, right?
627 00:30:30,174 00:30:31,758 - Yes, you do. - Yes, you do.
628 00:30:31,842 00:30:34,761 I went by my maiden name back then. I went by my maiden name back then.
629 00:30:34,845 00:30:36,462 Veronica palmer? Veronica palmer?
630 00:30:39,350 00:30:42,051 Now you remember. Now you remember.
631 00:30:42,102 00:30:44,420 See you soon, detective. See you soon, detective.
632 00:30:50,361 00:30:52,111 - We could see the twin towers burn - We could see the twin towers burn
633 00:30:52,196 00:30:53,963 From our balcony in brooklyn. From our balcony in brooklyn.
634 00:30:54,031 00:30:56,282 Justin kept running from the balcony to the tv. Justin kept running from the balcony to the tv.
635 00:30:56,367 00:30:57,450 They... they kept showing They... they kept showing
636 00:30:57,535 00:30:59,302 The planes going into the towers, The planes going into the towers,
637 00:30:59,370 00:31:02,622 The... the people jumping, over and over again. The... the people jumping, over and over again.
638 00:31:02,706 00:31:06,309 I'd turn it off, and he'd turn it back on. I'd turn it off, and he'd turn it back on.
639 00:31:06,377 00:31:08,628 He was just 11. He was just 11.
640 00:31:08,712 00:31:11,314 - And how did he react to those images? - And how did he react to those images?
641 00:31:11,382 00:31:14,484 - For weeks, he'd wake up in the middle of the night. - For weeks, he'd wake up in the middle of the night.
642 00:31:14,552 00:31:17,971 A few times, he even wet his bed. A few times, he even wet his bed.
643 00:31:18,055 00:31:19,639 - And what can you tell us - And what can you tell us
644 00:31:19,723 00:31:23,426 About justin's interest in music? About justin's interest in music?
645 00:31:23,477 00:31:24,978 - When he was 12, I had this boyfriend who took him - When he was 12, I had this boyfriend who took him
646 00:31:25,062 00:31:26,429 To a death metal concert. To a death metal concert.
647 00:31:26,497 00:31:29,766 Um, and this singer onstage Um, and this singer onstage
648 00:31:29,833 00:31:31,701 Bit off this bird's head. Bit off this bird's head.
649 00:31:31,769 00:31:33,519 Justin came home crying. Justin came home crying.
650 00:31:33,604 00:31:36,739 My boyfriend was laughing and calling him a-a sissy. My boyfriend was laughing and calling him a-a sissy.
651 00:31:36,807 00:31:39,609 - And what happened to justin's musical tastes? - And what happened to justin's musical tastes?
652 00:31:39,677 00:31:41,811 - He started getting into metal - He started getting into metal
653 00:31:41,862 00:31:43,446 And then horrorcore. And then horrorcore.
654 00:31:43,514 00:31:45,582 He blasted it in the house. He blasted it in the house.
655 00:31:45,649 00:31:48,251 - Thank you. - Thank you.
656 00:31:52,673 00:31:55,124 - Mrs. Sachs, did you ever take justin - Mrs. Sachs, did you ever take justin
657 00:31:55,175 00:31:58,628 For a psychiatric evaluation? For a psychiatric evaluation?
658 00:31:58,679 00:32:00,163 - No. - No.
659 00:32:00,230 00:32:02,465 - Did his school ever call you with complaints - Did his school ever call you with complaints
660 00:32:02,533 00:32:03,733 About his behavior? About his behavior?
661 00:32:03,801 00:32:06,052 - No, he was a-a good student. - No, he was a-a good student.
662 00:32:06,136 00:32:07,637 - So a good student - So a good student
663 00:32:07,688 00:32:11,524 Whose behavior never aroused anyone's concerns? Whose behavior never aroused anyone's concerns?
664 00:32:14,278 00:32:16,312 Thank you. Thank you.
665 00:32:18,515 00:32:21,618 - The children who lived through the events of 9/11, - The children who lived through the events of 9/11,
666 00:32:21,685 00:32:25,054 Who came of age during two wars they could watch Who came of age during two wars they could watch
667 00:32:25,122 00:32:26,990 Every night in vivid high-def, Every night in vivid high-def,
668 00:32:27,041 00:32:29,909 Have been exposed to an unprecedented barrage Have been exposed to an unprecedented barrage
669 00:32:29,994 00:32:31,327 Of horrific imagery. Of horrific imagery.
670 00:32:31,395 00:32:32,912 The impact of this experience The impact of this experience
671 00:32:32,997 00:32:35,131 Is only now starting to be understood. Is only now starting to be understood.
672 00:32:35,198 00:32:37,717 - From your examination of justin, - From your examination of justin,
673 00:32:37,801 00:32:40,420 What impact has this barrage had on him? What impact has this barrage had on him?
674 00:32:40,504 00:32:41,471 - He exhibits signs - He exhibits signs
675 00:32:41,538 00:32:43,756 Of being desensitized to violence Of being desensitized to violence
676 00:32:43,841 00:32:45,475 And, at the same time, And, at the same time,
677 00:32:45,542 00:32:48,261 Being addicted to the thrill that he derives from it. Being addicted to the thrill that he derives from it.
678 00:32:48,345 00:32:50,096 - Can you give us an example - Can you give us an example
679 00:32:50,180 00:32:52,849 Of how justin has become desensitized to violence? Of how justin has become desensitized to violence?
680 00:32:52,900 00:32:54,233 - Well, for example, - Well, for example,
681 00:32:54,318 00:32:57,353 These images of the twin towers that justin has collected, These images of the twin towers that justin has collected,
682 00:32:57,421 00:33:00,456 While for us the twin towers represent a great tragedy, While for us the twin towers represent a great tragedy,
683 00:33:00,524 00:33:04,360 For justin, they're an icon being used as a punch line. For justin, they're an icon being used as a punch line.
684 00:33:04,428 00:33:08,297 This callous humor is typically seen in soldiers This callous humor is typically seen in soldiers
685 00:33:08,365 00:33:10,366 Suffering from ptsd. Suffering from ptsd.
686 00:33:10,417 00:33:12,168 - Thank you. - Thank you.
687 00:33:14,872 00:33:18,474 - So you're equating the stress of seeing a gory picture - So you're equating the stress of seeing a gory picture
688 00:33:18,542 00:33:20,910 To the stress of being in combat? To the stress of being in combat?
689 00:33:20,961 00:33:23,346 - For a child of 11 or 12, - For a child of 11 or 12,
690 00:33:23,414 00:33:28,250 The image of violence can be as upsetting as the real thing. The image of violence can be as upsetting as the real thing.
691 00:33:28,302 00:33:32,021 - Now, we heard testimony that justin flew into a rage - Now, we heard testimony that justin flew into a rage
692 00:33:32,089 00:33:35,424 When he found out his girlfriend was texting another boy. When he found out his girlfriend was texting another boy.
693 00:33:35,476 00:33:38,594 Is jealousy a symptom of ptsd? Is jealousy a symptom of ptsd?
694 00:33:38,645 00:33:40,730 - I'd have to say that it is not. - I'd have to say that it is not.
695 00:33:40,781 00:33:45,535 - And, doctor, jealousy is not a defense to murder, correct? - And, doctor, jealousy is not a defense to murder, correct?
696 00:33:45,602 00:33:47,937 - Correct. - Correct.
697 00:33:47,988 00:33:49,655 It is not. It is not.
698 00:33:49,740 00:33:51,107 - Thank you. - Thank you.
699 00:33:53,627 00:33:55,545 - Nowadays with what the kids see, - Nowadays with what the kids see,
700 00:33:55,612 00:33:57,780 I shudder to think what effect it has. I shudder to think what effect it has.
701 00:33:57,831 00:33:59,615 - Growing up in rose-colored innocence - Growing up in rose-colored innocence
702 00:33:59,666 00:34:01,951 Didn't keep us from creating the violent world Didn't keep us from creating the violent world
703 00:34:02,002 00:34:03,285 Our kids are watching, did it? Our kids are watching, did it?
704 00:34:03,337 00:34:05,388 - Mr. Cutter, may I speak to you, please? - Mr. Cutter, may I speak to you, please?
705 00:34:05,455 00:34:07,623 - Sure. - Sure.
706 00:34:07,674 00:34:10,059 [Clears throat] [Clears throat]
707 00:34:10,127 00:34:11,627 - You got to keep that lawyer - You got to keep that lawyer
708 00:34:11,678 00:34:13,629 From calling me back to the stand. From calling me back to the stand.
709 00:34:13,680 00:34:16,816 - I can't. She has the right to cross-examine you. - I can't. She has the right to cross-examine you.
710 00:34:16,900 00:34:18,401 - Come on, you're a sharp guy. - Come on, you're a sharp guy.
711 00:34:18,468 00:34:20,069 There's got to be something you can do. There's got to be something you can do.
712 00:34:20,137 00:34:22,855 - Detective, what's the problem here? - Detective, what's the problem here?
713 00:34:22,940 00:34:25,541 - Just help me out here, mike, please. - Just help me out here, mike, please.
714 00:34:25,609 00:34:30,313 - Th-there's nothing I can do. - Th-there's nothing I can do.
715 00:34:32,816 00:34:34,650 - [Sighs] okay, then you got to cover me. - [Sighs] okay, then you got to cover me.
716 00:34:34,701 00:34:36,002 I'll talk about the case, I'll talk about the case,
717 00:34:36,086 00:34:39,422 But if that lawyer veers off the subject by one comma, But if that lawyer veers off the subject by one comma,
718 00:34:39,489 00:34:43,376 You got to jump in and stop it. You got to jump in and stop it.
719 00:34:57,274 00:34:58,441 See you tomorrow. See you tomorrow.
720 00:34:58,509 00:35:01,277 - This is no way to treat your partner... - This is no way to treat your partner...
721 00:35:01,345 00:35:02,612 Partner. Partner.
722 00:35:04,681 00:35:06,449 Look, do you want me to beat it out of you? Look, do you want me to beat it out of you?
723 00:35:06,517 00:35:08,117 Because you know that I can. Because you know that I can.
724 00:35:10,187 00:35:12,705 - That lawyer knows me from an old case. - That lawyer knows me from an old case.
725 00:35:12,790 00:35:14,123 - And? - And?
726 00:35:18,529 00:35:20,379 - It was ten years ago, it was christmas morning, - It was ten years ago, it was christmas morning,
727 00:35:20,464 00:35:21,714 I got called out to a crime scene. I got called out to a crime scene.
728 00:35:21,799 00:35:22,999 It was a triple. It was a triple.
729 00:35:23,050 00:35:25,067 Guy took out his whole family... the wife, the two kids. Guy took out his whole family... the wife, the two kids.
730 00:35:25,135 00:35:26,552 Cut their throats in their sleep Cut their throats in their sleep
731 00:35:26,637 00:35:28,171 While they were waiting for santa. While they were waiting for santa.
732 00:35:28,222 00:35:31,390 I was there for six hours standing in the blood. I was there for six hours standing in the blood.
733 00:35:31,475 00:35:34,393 And then I had to rush over to meet my girlfriend And then I had to rush over to meet my girlfriend
734 00:35:34,478 00:35:36,395 At her folks' place for christmas dinner. At her folks' place for christmas dinner.
735 00:35:36,480 00:35:37,730 It was the first time I was meeting them. It was the first time I was meeting them.
736 00:35:37,815 00:35:39,232 You know, the parents, the grandparents, You know, the parents, the grandparents,
737 00:35:39,316 00:35:41,150 The aunts and uncles... the whole kit. The aunts and uncles... the whole kit.
738 00:35:41,218 00:35:42,652 And I'm there. And I'm there.
739 00:35:42,719 00:35:45,888 I'm playing with the nephews, rolling around on the floor, I'm playing with the nephews, rolling around on the floor,
740 00:35:45,939 00:35:47,023 And I'm doing pretty good And I'm doing pretty good
741 00:35:47,074 00:35:48,891 Forgetting how I spent my morning. Forgetting how I spent my morning.
742 00:35:48,942 00:35:50,910 And then... And then...
743 00:35:50,994 00:35:55,248 I see that I got blood on... on the cuff of my shirt, I see that I got blood on... on the cuff of my shirt,
744 00:35:55,332 00:35:58,751 You know, blood from the crime scene... You know, blood from the crime scene...
745 00:35:58,836 00:36:01,370 Blood from those dead kids, Blood from those dead kids,
746 00:36:01,438 00:36:04,273 And I freaked out. And I freaked out.
747 00:36:06,009 00:36:08,477 I ran out of there. I ran out of there.
748 00:36:08,545 00:36:12,114 I ended up at a bar. I ended up at a bar.
749 00:36:12,182 00:36:14,784 On christmas night, I'm in a bar drinking... On christmas night, I'm in a bar drinking...
750 00:36:14,852 00:36:16,269 Hey, hey. Hey, hey.
751 00:36:16,353 00:36:19,522 So that was it for the girlfriend. So that was it for the girlfriend.
752 00:36:19,590 00:36:24,060 And that christmas morning... And that christmas morning...
753 00:36:24,127 00:36:28,731 Well, you work hard at it... And you drink enough, Well, you work hard at it... And you drink enough,
754 00:36:28,799 00:36:32,735 You can pretty much forget anything eventually. You can pretty much forget anything eventually.
755 00:36:32,786 00:36:36,072 That lawyer represented the husband. That lawyer represented the husband.
756 00:36:36,123 00:36:39,242 When I got called to testify... When I got called to testify...
757 00:36:39,293 00:36:40,676 I showed up drunk. I showed up drunk.
758 00:36:44,164 00:36:47,250 She knows what I went through. She knows what I went through.
759 00:36:47,301 00:36:49,585 She's gonna bring it up. She's gonna bring it up.
760 00:36:49,636 00:36:52,421 I do not want to go back there. I do not want to go back there.
761 00:36:52,489 00:36:54,924 - I hear that. - I hear that.
762 00:36:54,992 00:36:57,093 What are you gonna do? What are you gonna do?
763 00:37:00,163 00:37:03,766 I'll be there tomorrow. I'll be there tomorrow.
764 00:37:03,834 00:37:07,670 And if you have to tell your story, lupes, And if you have to tell your story, lupes,
765 00:37:07,738 00:37:09,822 Tell it to me. Tell it to me.
766 00:37:17,347 00:37:20,783 [Seat belt unlatches, car door opens] [Seat belt unlatches, car door opens]
767 00:37:23,620 00:37:25,955 [Car door closes] [Car door closes]
768 00:37:30,861 00:37:33,379 - I wouldn't say 17 stab wounds is indicative - I wouldn't say 17 stab wounds is indicative
769 00:37:33,463 00:37:34,880 Of a deranged mental state. Of a deranged mental state.
770 00:37:34,965 00:37:37,383 I think it's indicative that he wanted to make sure I think it's indicative that he wanted to make sure
771 00:37:37,467 00:37:39,602 Zoe morgan was dead. Zoe morgan was dead.
772 00:37:39,669 00:37:42,855 - The morgan crime scene was particularly gruesome, - The morgan crime scene was particularly gruesome,
773 00:37:42,940 00:37:44,106 Wouldn't you say? Wouldn't you say?
774 00:37:44,174 00:37:47,109 - Every crime scene has its own horror. - Every crime scene has its own horror.
775 00:37:47,177 00:37:48,277 - Have you had nightmares - Have you had nightmares
776 00:37:48,345 00:37:50,479 Or unwanted thoughts about that crime scene? Or unwanted thoughts about that crime scene?
777 00:37:50,547 00:37:52,081 - No. - No.
778 00:37:52,149 00:37:54,150 - But you have had problems in the past - But you have had problems in the past
779 00:37:54,217 00:37:56,085 From your exposure to gruesome crime scenes, From your exposure to gruesome crime scenes,
780 00:37:56,153 00:37:57,536 Isn't that right? Isn't that right?
781 00:37:57,621 00:37:59,221 - Objection, relevance. - Objection, relevance.
782 00:37:59,289 00:38:01,057 - Ms. Masters, where are you going with this? - Ms. Masters, where are you going with this?
783 00:38:01,124 00:38:03,075 - It's okay. - It's okay.
784 00:38:03,160 00:38:05,411 I'll answer her question. I'll answer her question.
785 00:38:05,495 00:38:09,632 - Then I'll withdraw my objection. - Then I'll withdraw my objection.
786 00:38:09,699 00:38:12,418 - Yes, I had problems. - Yes, I had problems.
787 00:38:12,502 00:38:15,704 Ten years ago, I caught a case. Ten years ago, I caught a case.
788 00:38:15,756 00:38:18,090 A man killed his wife and two kids A man killed his wife and two kids
789 00:38:18,175 00:38:19,775 On christmas morning. On christmas morning.
790 00:38:19,843 00:38:21,711 You know. You know.
791 00:38:21,778 00:38:23,763 You were his lawyer. You were his lawyer.
792 00:38:25,449 00:38:26,382 - Yes. - Yes.
793 00:38:26,433 00:38:27,549 Can you please tell us Can you please tell us
794 00:38:27,601 00:38:30,920 How your problems manifested themselves? How your problems manifested themselves?
795 00:38:39,112 00:38:41,730 - [Sighs] - [Sighs]
796 00:38:41,782 00:38:45,201 I couldn't stop thinking about what I saw... I couldn't stop thinking about what I saw...
797 00:38:45,268 00:38:47,570 The smells... The smells...
798 00:38:47,637 00:38:51,173 Those little kids. Those little kids.
799 00:38:51,241 00:38:54,744 I couldn't shut it off. I couldn't shut it off.
800 00:38:54,811 00:38:58,247 I felt guilty... I felt guilty...
801 00:38:58,315 00:39:01,484 And sad all the time. And sad all the time.
802 00:39:03,153 00:39:04,253 And I couldn't sit still. And I couldn't sit still.
803 00:39:04,304 00:39:07,089 I felt out of control. I was anxious. I felt out of control. I was anxious.
804 00:39:07,140 00:39:09,475 I wasn't sleeping. I wasn't sleeping.
805 00:39:11,661 00:39:13,262 I drank... I drank...
806 00:39:13,313 00:39:15,931 Even on the job. Even on the job.
807 00:39:15,982 00:39:19,201 One time... One time...
808 00:39:19,269 00:39:21,103 I fell asleep in the patrol car I fell asleep in the patrol car
809 00:39:21,171 00:39:22,772 When my partner went to get us coffee. When my partner went to get us coffee.
810 00:39:22,839 00:39:26,609 He walked into a robbery in progress. He walked into a robbery in progress.
811 00:39:26,676 00:39:29,111 He was shot and killed. He was shot and killed.
812 00:39:29,179 00:39:31,664 - Did you seek counseling? - Did you seek counseling?
813 00:39:33,300 00:39:35,051 - Uh, yeah, after that. - Uh, yeah, after that.
814 00:39:35,118 00:39:39,922 I was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. I was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder.
815 00:39:39,973 00:39:42,624 I got treatment with the department psychiatrist I got treatment with the department psychiatrist
816 00:39:42,676 00:39:44,160 For nine months. For nine months.
817 00:39:44,227 00:39:47,763 - And how long were you in that crime scene? - And how long were you in that crime scene?
818 00:39:47,831 00:39:49,065 - Six hours. - Six hours.
819 00:39:49,132 00:39:51,634 - Were any of the victims known to you? - Were any of the victims known to you?
820 00:39:51,701 00:39:53,135 - No. - No.
821 00:39:53,203 00:39:56,972 - And still, you suffered from ptsd. - And still, you suffered from ptsd.
822 00:40:00,877 00:40:03,863 No more questions. No more questions.
823 00:40:12,873 00:40:16,325 - In the time that you've suffered from ptsd, - In the time that you've suffered from ptsd,
824 00:40:16,393 00:40:19,161 Have you attacked anyone? Have you attacked anyone?
825 00:40:19,212 00:40:20,662 - No. - No.
826 00:40:20,714 00:40:24,934 - Been cited for using excessive force on a suspect? - Been cited for using excessive force on a suspect?
827 00:40:25,001 00:40:27,103 - No. - No.
828 00:40:27,170 00:40:31,006 - Used violence in an inappropriate way? - Used violence in an inappropriate way?
829 00:40:33,343 00:40:35,077 - No. - No.
830 00:40:39,866 00:40:40,983 - One more thing... - One more thing...
831 00:40:41,034 00:40:42,234 That ten-year-old case, That ten-year-old case,
832 00:40:42,319 00:40:46,288 Do you recall what defense ms. Masters offered Do you recall what defense ms. Masters offered
833 00:40:46,356 00:40:49,542 On behalf of her client? On behalf of her client?
834 00:40:49,626 00:40:52,294 - She told the jury... - She told the jury...
835 00:40:52,362 00:40:53,963 Her client was traumatized Her client was traumatized
836 00:40:54,030 00:40:56,465 By witnessing the death of his parents By witnessing the death of his parents
837 00:40:56,533 00:40:59,001 In a house fire when he was a child. In a house fire when he was a child.
838 00:40:59,069 00:41:01,036 - Do you remember what the verdict was? - Do you remember what the verdict was?
839 00:41:01,087 00:41:02,138 - Objection. - Objection.
840 00:41:02,205 00:41:04,373 - She opened the door, your honor. - She opened the door, your honor.
841 00:41:04,441 00:41:05,975 - I'll allow it. - I'll allow it.
842 00:41:06,042 00:41:09,311 The witness may answer the question. The witness may answer the question.
843 00:41:09,379 00:41:13,215 - The jury found her client guilty. - The jury found her client guilty.
844 00:41:17,220 00:41:19,405 - No more questions. - No more questions.
845 00:41:34,171 00:41:36,539 - How'd you know about her defense? - How'd you know about her defense?
846 00:41:36,590 00:41:37,573 - After you came to me, - After you came to me,
847 00:41:37,624 00:41:39,758 I cross-referenced you and ms. Masters. I cross-referenced you and ms. Masters.
848 00:41:39,843 00:41:41,443 I found the case. I found the case.
849 00:41:41,511 00:41:45,431 Like you said, I'm a pretty sharp guy. Like you said, I'm a pretty sharp guy.
850 00:41:45,515 00:41:47,049 - Mr. Cutter... - Mr. Cutter...
851 00:41:47,100 00:41:49,685 Can we talk? Can we talk?
852 00:41:51,354 00:41:52,605 - Yes. - Yes.
853 00:41:52,689 00:41:55,224 What can we do for you? What can we do for you?
854 00:41:58,061 00:41:59,945 - The kid took 30 to life, all in. - The kid took 30 to life, all in.
855 00:42:00,030 00:42:03,482 I told cutter we'd be at every parole hearing. I told cutter we'd be at every parole hearing.
856 00:42:03,567 00:42:04,933 Evening, officers. Evening, officers.
857 00:42:04,985 00:42:07,119 - Hey, it's ugly in there. - Hey, it's ugly in there.
858 00:42:07,204 00:42:10,573 I hope you haven't had dinner yet. I hope you haven't had dinner yet.
859 00:42:11,724 00:42:13,057 - You okay? - You okay?