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1 00:00:05,044 00:00:06,745 (male announcer) in the criminal justice system, (male announcer) in the criminal justice system,
2 00:00:06,812 00:00:09,080 The people are represented by two separate The people are represented by two separate
3 00:00:09,131 00:00:10,832 Yet equally important groups-- Yet equally important groups--
4 00:00:10,916 00:00:12,717 The police who investigate crime The police who investigate crime
5 00:00:12,785 00:00:15,503 And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders.
6 00:00:15,588 00:00:17,088 The are their stories. The are their stories.
7 00:00:18,691 00:00:20,425 - You would be a totally anonymous source. - You would be a totally anonymous source.
8 00:00:20,493 00:00:21,876 - I know, I-- - I know, I--
9 00:00:21,961 00:00:24,329 I just don't really see the point in talking about it. I just don't really see the point in talking about it.
10 00:00:24,397 00:00:25,880 - I wouldn't have to use your name. - I wouldn't have to use your name.
11 00:00:25,965 00:00:27,465 - Yeah, but how hard would it be to figure out? - Yeah, but how hard would it be to figure out?
12 00:00:27,516 00:00:32,037 Look, I have a new job. Look, I have a new job.
13 00:00:32,104 00:00:34,739 I'm not widely considered a slut. I'm not widely considered a slut.
14 00:00:34,807 00:00:36,808 Things are just fine the way they are. Things are just fine the way they are.
15 00:00:36,876 00:00:38,143 - It's not right. - It's not right.
16 00:00:38,210 00:00:39,644 You know it. You know it.
17 00:00:39,712 00:00:42,614 And it keeps happening over and over again. And it keeps happening over and over again.
18 00:00:47,987 00:00:49,404 - Let me think about it. - Let me think about it.
19 00:00:49,488 00:00:51,823 I'll let you know. I'll let you know.
20 00:00:51,874 00:00:54,259 - [scoffs] - [scoffs]
21 00:00:56,996 00:00:58,246 - Developer ran out of money. - Developer ran out of money.
22 00:00:58,331 00:00:59,714 One day he's selling the greatest new project One day he's selling the greatest new project
23 00:00:59,799 00:01:00,915 Since rockefeller center, Since rockefeller center,
24 00:01:01,000 00:01:02,200 And the next he's selling the fixtures. And the next he's selling the fixtures.
25 00:01:02,251 00:01:04,069 - When did construction end? - When did construction end?
26 00:01:04,136 00:01:05,720 - Maybe six months ago. - Maybe six months ago.
27 00:01:05,805 00:01:07,505 Security's half-assed. Security's half-assed.
28 00:01:07,556 00:01:09,557 - Junkies, homeless, who called it in? - Junkies, homeless, who called it in?
29 00:01:09,642 00:01:10,759 - [chuckles] - [chuckles]
30 00:01:10,843 00:01:12,394 911 call from a pay phone. 911 call from a pay phone.
31 00:01:12,478 00:01:13,878 Caller forgot to leave his name. Caller forgot to leave his name.
32 00:01:13,929 00:01:15,847 - Yeah, he was probably scavenging. - Yeah, he was probably scavenging.
33 00:01:15,898 00:01:18,233 Pulled back this sheet of metal. Pulled back this sheet of metal.
34 00:01:18,317 00:01:19,550 - And voila. - And voila.
35 00:01:19,602 00:01:21,519 - Bruises on her neck. - Bruises on her neck.
36 00:01:21,570 00:01:23,071 No blood. No blood.
37 00:01:23,155 00:01:24,773 Anybody find a purse? Anybody find a purse?
38 00:01:24,857 00:01:26,658 - No. No cell phone, no I.D. - No. No cell phone, no I.D.
39 00:01:26,726 00:01:27,776 Hey, you think maybe a working girl? Hey, you think maybe a working girl?
40 00:01:27,860 00:01:29,694 She brought a john up here? She brought a john up here?
41 00:01:29,745 00:01:32,063 - Her clothes are clean, no track marks on her arms, - Her clothes are clean, no track marks on her arms,
42 00:01:32,114 00:01:33,264 No chips in her manicure. No chips in her manicure.
43 00:01:33,332 00:01:34,866 - She could have been here forever - She could have been here forever
44 00:01:34,917 00:01:36,534 Before somebody found her. Before somebody found her.
45 00:01:36,585 00:01:39,754 - I think that was the plan. - I think that was the plan.
46 00:02:31,590 00:02:34,058 - Well, she's fresh. Died sometime last night. - Well, she's fresh. Died sometime last night.
47 00:02:34,109 00:02:36,744 Cause of death is definitely strangulation. Cause of death is definitely strangulation.
48 00:02:36,829 00:02:38,095 The bruises look hand-shaped. The bruises look hand-shaped.
49 00:02:38,163 00:02:39,580 I'll put her in the fridge I'll put her in the fridge
50 00:02:39,665 00:02:40,665 And see if I can get more definition. And see if I can get more definition.
51 00:02:40,732 00:02:42,200 - Any signs of sexual assault? - Any signs of sexual assault?
52 00:02:42,251 00:02:44,669 - There's no vaginal tearing and there's no semen in her, - There's no vaginal tearing and there's no semen in her,
53 00:02:44,736 00:02:47,338 So she hadn't had sex within 72 hours So she hadn't had sex within 72 hours
54 00:02:47,405 00:02:48,422 Or she used a condom. Or she used a condom.
55 00:02:48,507 00:02:51,759 But...I did find this. But...I did find this.
56 00:02:51,844 00:02:54,095 A pubic hair from her upper inner thigh, A pubic hair from her upper inner thigh,
57 00:02:54,179 00:02:55,880 And it isn't hers. And it isn't hers.
58 00:02:55,931 00:02:56,931 - Wrong color. - Wrong color.
59 00:02:57,015 00:02:58,766 - No, wrong gender. - No, wrong gender.
60 00:02:58,851 00:03:00,584 Find the penis it belongs to and you'll have a lead. Find the penis it belongs to and you'll have a lead.
61 00:03:00,636 00:03:04,555 - We'll get right on that. - We'll get right on that.
62 00:03:04,606 00:03:07,475 - Lieutenant, we got a hit. - Lieutenant, we got a hit.
63 00:03:07,559 00:03:11,062 - What would you think m.R.S. Stands for - What would you think m.R.S. Stands for
64 00:03:11,113 00:03:13,130 On a hospital bill? On a hospital bill?
65 00:03:13,198 00:03:14,432 - What? - What?
66 00:03:14,500 00:03:16,234 - M.R.S. On a hospital bill. - M.R.S. On a hospital bill.
67 00:03:16,285 00:03:18,569 - Mrs.? - Mrs.?
68 00:03:18,620 00:03:21,789 - It costs $89 and it's not covered by insurance. - It costs $89 and it's not covered by insurance.
69 00:03:21,874 00:03:25,376 - Well, then that's definitely not mrs. - Well, then that's definitely not mrs.
70 00:03:25,443 00:03:29,947 - Mucous recovery system. - Mucous recovery system.
71 00:03:29,998 00:03:32,083 A box of tissues. A box of tissues.
72 00:03:32,134 00:03:33,384 - [laughs] - [laughs]
73 00:03:33,451 00:03:36,837 - All right. One second. These... - All right. One second. These...
74 00:03:36,922 00:03:39,123 These I fight, These I fight,
75 00:03:39,174 00:03:41,976 These I got 30 days. These I got 30 days.
76 00:03:42,060 00:03:44,345 Okay. All right. You have something. Okay. All right. You have something.
77 00:03:44,429 00:03:45,680 - Yes. - Yes.
78 00:03:45,764 00:03:48,816 Our jane doe's name is megan kerik. Our jane doe's name is megan kerik.
79 00:03:48,901 00:03:50,134 Her fingerprints matched a set Her fingerprints matched a set
80 00:03:50,185 00:03:51,302 In the pentagon's database. In the pentagon's database.
81 00:03:51,370 00:03:53,354 - She was a soldier. - She was a soldier.
82 00:03:53,438 00:03:54,572 - No, a freelance journalist - No, a freelance journalist
83 00:03:54,639 00:03:57,308 Who accompanied a uso troupe to afghanistan. Who accompanied a uso troupe to afghanistan.
84 00:03:57,376 00:03:59,610 The pentagon, they take their prints and dna The pentagon, they take their prints and dna
85 00:03:59,661 00:04:01,779 In case they're blown up by an I.E.D. In case they're blown up by an I.E.D.
86 00:04:01,830 00:04:03,447 - That's thoughtful. - That's thoughtful.
87 00:04:03,498 00:04:04,832 - They also list next of kin. - They also list next of kin.
88 00:04:04,917 00:04:06,367 I just got off the phone with ms. Kerik's sister I just got off the phone with ms. Kerik's sister
89 00:04:06,451 00:04:07,535 In san diego. In san diego.
90 00:04:07,619 00:04:10,004 They weren't very close, but she said They weren't very close, but she said
91 00:04:10,088 00:04:11,155 Megan wasn't married, Megan wasn't married,
92 00:04:11,223 00:04:12,323 She'd never heard of any boyfriend, She'd never heard of any boyfriend,
93 00:04:12,374 00:04:13,925 And our victim spent most of her time And our victim spent most of her time
94 00:04:13,992 00:04:16,493 Writing for a website called citysmear.Com. Writing for a website called citysmear.Com.
95 00:04:16,545 00:04:17,878 - Is that what it sounds like? - Is that what it sounds like?
96 00:04:17,963 00:04:21,182 - Digs up dirt on celebrities and others. - Digs up dirt on celebrities and others.
97 00:04:21,266 00:04:22,883 And the more embarrassing, the more they like it. And the more embarrassing, the more they like it.
98 00:04:22,968 00:04:26,437 - You'd better find out who ms. Kerik - You'd better find out who ms. Kerik
99 00:04:26,504 00:04:29,106 Had been embarrassing lately. Had been embarrassing lately.
100 00:04:32,010 00:04:34,228 - Megan kerik. She's been murdered. - Megan kerik. She's been murdered.
101 00:04:34,313 00:04:36,347 - We were hoping you could help us out. - We were hoping you could help us out.
102 00:04:36,398 00:04:37,648 - Has this been reported anywhere yet? - Has this been reported anywhere yet?
103 00:04:37,699 00:04:39,900 - You're looking for a scoop? - You're looking for a scoop?
104 00:04:39,985 00:04:42,737 - It depends what she was working on. - It depends what she was working on.
105 00:04:42,821 00:04:44,071 Derek. Derek.
106 00:04:44,156 00:04:45,873 - Yeah. - Yeah.
107 00:04:45,958 00:04:48,075 - What was megan kerik working on? - What was megan kerik working on?
108 00:04:48,160 00:04:49,293 - I don't know. - I don't know.
109 00:04:49,361 00:04:50,461 Just that thing about Just that thing about
110 00:04:50,528 00:04:52,196 The big environmental movie star The big environmental movie star
111 00:04:52,247 00:04:54,832 Who sent her cocker spaniel to paris, why? Who sent her cocker spaniel to paris, why?
112 00:04:54,883 00:04:56,200 - These are police. - These are police.
113 00:04:56,251 00:04:58,386 Megan's been killed. Megan's been killed.
114 00:04:58,470 00:04:59,720 - Has it been reported anywhere yet? - Has it been reported anywhere yet?
115 00:04:59,805 00:05:01,505 - It doesn't matter. - It doesn't matter.
116 00:05:01,556 00:05:03,391 Megan wasn't working on anything for us Megan wasn't working on anything for us
117 00:05:03,475 00:05:04,875 That could get her killed, if that's what you're asking. That could get her killed, if that's what you're asking.
118 00:05:04,926 00:05:08,045 - You figure the cocker spaniel's in the clear, then? - You figure the cocker spaniel's in the clear, then?
119 00:05:08,113 00:05:09,313 - That's-- - That's--
120 00:05:09,381 00:05:10,898 [chuckles] [chuckles]
121 00:05:10,983 00:05:14,185 - How well did you know ms. Kerik? - How well did you know ms. Kerik?
122 00:05:14,236 00:05:15,269 - She was a freelance contributor. - She was a freelance contributor.
123 00:05:15,354 00:05:16,554 We have hundreds. We have hundreds.
124 00:05:16,622 00:05:18,406 - She have a desk? We'd like to take a look. - She have a desk? We'd like to take a look.
125 00:05:18,490 00:05:21,926 - No, as far as I know, she worked from home. - No, as far as I know, she worked from home.
126 00:05:24,696 00:05:26,747 - Shopping list. - Shopping list.
127 00:05:26,832 00:05:29,900 Yogurt, coffee, ink cartridges, cupcakes. Yogurt, coffee, ink cartridges, cupcakes.
128 00:05:29,951 00:05:32,336 - Yeah, a freelancer's diet. - Yeah, a freelancer's diet.
129 00:05:32,404 00:05:34,288 This place is neat and tidy. This place is neat and tidy.
130 00:05:34,373 00:05:35,423 If she was killed here, If she was killed here,
131 00:05:35,507 00:05:36,740 She didn't put up much of a fight. She didn't put up much of a fight.
132 00:05:36,792 00:05:39,210 - The ink cartridges would be for the printer here. - The ink cartridges would be for the printer here.
133 00:05:39,261 00:05:40,411 You see a computer? You see a computer?
134 00:05:40,462 00:05:42,246 - Nope. - Nope.
135 00:05:42,297 00:05:43,597 - Somebody took it. - Somebody took it.
136 00:05:43,682 00:05:45,850 This file drawer's unlocked. This file drawer's unlocked.
137 00:05:45,917 00:05:47,134 There's a big gap inside. There's a big gap inside.
138 00:05:47,219 00:05:51,806 - The killer took her purse. - The killer took her purse.
139 00:05:51,890 00:05:53,140 He had her keys. He had her keys.
140 00:05:53,225 00:05:55,526 - She was working on something or he thought she was. - She was working on something or he thought she was.
141 00:05:55,593 00:05:58,112 - What? - What?
142 00:06:01,650 00:06:03,067 - Look, it's sara. - Look, it's sara.
143 00:06:03,118 00:06:06,487 I'm sorry, but I really don't want to talk about this. I'm sorry, but I really don't want to talk about this.
144 00:06:06,571 00:06:09,106 I think you should just forget the story. I think you should just forget the story.
145 00:06:09,157 00:06:12,609 It's just going to upset a lot of people for no reason. It's just going to upset a lot of people for no reason.
146 00:06:15,447 00:06:17,998 - What did megan want from you, exactly? - What did megan want from you, exactly?
147 00:06:18,083 00:06:20,301 - I only met her that one time. - I only met her that one time.
148 00:06:20,385 00:06:21,786 She emailed me out of the blue She emailed me out of the blue
149 00:06:21,853 00:06:23,454 And said she wanted to interview me for a story. And said she wanted to interview me for a story.
150 00:06:23,522 00:06:25,005 - A story about what? - A story about what?
151 00:06:25,090 00:06:28,926 - People who sleep with their bosses. - People who sleep with their bosses.
152 00:06:28,977 00:06:30,261 Which I did. Which I did.
153 00:06:30,312 00:06:31,996 - And didn't want to talk about. - And didn't want to talk about.
154 00:06:32,064 00:06:34,131 - I have a boyfriend. - I have a boyfriend.
155 00:06:34,199 00:06:35,266 I have parents. I have parents.
156 00:06:35,333 00:06:38,152 I have a new boss, I... I have a new boss, I...
157 00:06:38,236 00:06:39,437 I really didn't need for them to know. I really didn't need for them to know.
158 00:06:39,488 00:06:41,472 - Yeah, but megan was going to do the story anyway. - Yeah, but megan was going to do the story anyway.
159 00:06:41,523 00:06:42,490 - I don't know. - I don't know.
160 00:06:42,574 00:06:43,807 I never talked to her again. I never talked to her again.
161 00:06:43,859 00:06:44,942 - If you'd never met her before, - If you'd never met her before,
162 00:06:44,993 00:06:47,611 How did she know about your history? How did she know about your history?
163 00:06:47,679 00:06:48,946 - She said that she talked to a woman - She said that she talked to a woman
164 00:06:48,997 00:06:50,281 Who used to work where I used to work Who used to work where I used to work
165 00:06:50,332 00:06:53,534 And had the same... Position before I did. And had the same... Position before I did.
166 00:06:53,618 00:06:55,820 - That would be your position with the boss. - That would be your position with the boss.
167 00:06:55,887 00:06:58,322 - No one lasted more than a few months. - No one lasted more than a few months.
168 00:06:58,390 00:07:01,959 - Sara, we're going to need to talk to this guy. - Sara, we're going to need to talk to this guy.
169 00:07:02,010 00:07:05,496 - Uh, that's just the thing. - Uh, that's just the thing.
170 00:07:05,547 00:07:08,466 It's not a he. It's not a he.
171 00:07:08,517 00:07:10,134 - What? - What?
172 00:07:10,185 00:07:12,236 Well, maybe that's what you'd advise Well, maybe that's what you'd advise
173 00:07:12,304 00:07:13,854 A teenage daughter, bella. A teenage daughter, bella.
174 00:07:13,939 00:07:16,207 Uh, remind me never to send my kid to talk to you. Uh, remind me never to send my kid to talk to you.
175 00:07:16,274 00:07:19,894 But seriously, I think we can all agree But seriously, I think we can all agree
176 00:07:19,978 00:07:21,445 That communication with our children... That communication with our children...
177 00:07:21,513 00:07:22,730 - Vanessa carville. - Vanessa carville.
178 00:07:22,814 00:07:25,366 - Megan kerik wasn't writing an article - Megan kerik wasn't writing an article
179 00:07:25,450 00:07:26,850 About women sleeping with their bosses. About women sleeping with their bosses.
180 00:07:26,902 00:07:28,903 She was writing about women who were sleeping with She was writing about women who were sleeping with
181 00:07:28,987 00:07:30,721 Vanessa carville. Vanessa carville.
182 00:07:30,789 00:07:31,989 - And that may have included megan. - And that may have included megan.
183 00:07:32,040 00:07:34,542 It turns out that before she reduced herself It turns out that before she reduced herself
184 00:07:34,626 00:07:36,527 To digging up gossip for citysmear, To digging up gossip for citysmear,
185 00:07:36,578 00:07:39,380 She was a production associate on the sisters. She was a production associate on the sisters.
186 00:07:39,464 00:07:41,549 - I love this show. - I love this show.
187 00:07:41,633 00:07:44,502 It's a great way of turning off your brain for an hour. It's a great way of turning off your brain for an hour.
188 00:07:44,553 00:07:46,370 - Well, would you love it as much if you knew - Well, would you love it as much if you knew
189 00:07:46,421 00:07:49,006 Vanessa carville was plowing through Vanessa carville was plowing through
190 00:07:49,057 00:07:50,391 Her female employees? Her female employees?
191 00:07:50,475 00:07:53,260 - Uh. She's married. She has a family. - Uh. She's married. She has a family.
192 00:07:53,345 00:07:56,947 - Yeah, if she caught wind what megan was writing about... - Yeah, if she caught wind what megan was writing about...
193 00:07:57,015 00:07:58,599 - Go see her. - Go see her.
194 00:07:58,683 00:07:59,850 You know, if it were for anything else, You know, if it were for anything else,
195 00:07:59,901 00:08:02,019 I'd ask you to get me tickets to the show. I'd ask you to get me tickets to the show.
196 00:08:02,070 00:08:03,854 And one more thing: And one more thing:
197 00:08:03,905 00:08:06,056 You know, I don't know what kind of downtown look You know, I don't know what kind of downtown look
198 00:08:06,107 00:08:09,393 You guys are going for with the stubble and all, You guys are going for with the stubble and all,
199 00:08:09,444 00:08:10,861 But it's not working. But it's not working.
200 00:08:10,912 00:08:12,780 - [chuckles] for downtown or for you? - [chuckles] for downtown or for you?
201 00:08:12,864 00:08:14,198 - Both. - Both.
202 00:08:14,249 00:08:17,785 Have you looked in the mirror lately, detective? Have you looked in the mirror lately, detective?
203 00:08:17,869 00:08:20,371 You're not in karachi anymore. You're not in karachi anymore.
204 00:08:20,422 00:08:22,506 All right? All right?
205 00:08:22,574 00:08:25,576 - Mm-hmm. Okay. - Mm-hmm. Okay.
206 00:08:29,264 00:08:31,582 - ...Of the trust that people have in you. - ...Of the trust that people have in you.
207 00:08:31,633 00:08:35,186 And you know in the end it always comes down to trust. And you know in the end it always comes down to trust.
208 00:08:35,253 00:08:36,470 Am I right, ladies? Am I right, ladies?
209 00:08:36,555 00:08:38,088 Who's with me? Who's with me?
210 00:08:38,139 00:08:40,191 Can I get a what-what? Can I get a what-what?
211 00:08:40,258 00:08:42,526 - You ever watch her show? - You ever watch her show?
212 00:08:42,594 00:08:45,563 - Sure, when I'm not knitting booties for my cat. - Sure, when I'm not knitting booties for my cat.
213 00:08:45,614 00:08:48,098 There she is. There she is.
214 00:08:48,149 00:08:49,733 - You think one of those guys is her husband? - You think one of those guys is her husband?
215 00:08:49,784 00:08:51,902 - Well, this could be awkward. - Well, this could be awkward.
216 00:08:51,953 00:08:55,656 - Well, that's why we get paid the big bucks. - Well, that's why we get paid the big bucks.
217 00:08:55,740 00:08:57,208 Ms. Carville. Ms. Carville.
218 00:08:57,275 00:08:59,376 - Yes. - Yes.
219 00:08:59,444 00:09:01,378 - Mr. Mccoy. - Mr. Mccoy.
220 00:09:01,446 00:09:05,883 - Detectives. - Detectives.
221 00:09:05,950 00:09:08,168 You must be mind readers. You must be mind readers.
222 00:09:08,253 00:09:11,522 I was just going to call one p.P. I was just going to call one p.P.
223 00:09:11,590 00:09:15,392 You may know vanessa carville, by reputation, anyway. You may know vanessa carville, by reputation, anyway.
224 00:09:15,460 00:09:18,345 She just came to me with her attorney She just came to me with her attorney
225 00:09:18,430 00:09:20,464 To report a crime. To report a crime.
226 00:09:20,532 00:09:23,567 She's being blackmailed. She's being blackmailed.
227 00:09:33,716 00:09:35,433 - I leave for the studio early. - I leave for the studio early.
228 00:09:35,518 00:09:37,769 I like to read the papers before anyone else gets there. I like to read the papers before anyone else gets there.
229 00:09:37,853 00:09:40,555 So it was about 6:00 a.M. So it was about 6:00 a.M.
230 00:09:40,623 00:09:43,691 I came out of my house and nearly tripped over it. I came out of my house and nearly tripped over it.
231 00:09:43,759 00:09:45,493 - "personal and confidential." - "personal and confidential."
232 00:09:45,561 00:09:46,978 - I'd say that was an understatement. - I'd say that was an understatement.
233 00:09:47,062 00:09:48,279 - Did you see who left it? - Did you see who left it?
234 00:09:48,364 00:09:50,798 - No. My driver pulled up just then. - No. My driver pulled up just then.
235 00:09:50,866 00:09:52,116 I had brought it into the back seat with me I had brought it into the back seat with me
236 00:09:52,201 00:09:53,201 And took a look. And took a look.
237 00:09:53,268 00:09:54,619 What I saw? What I saw?
238 00:09:54,703 00:09:57,805 Let's just say I didn't need a second cup of coffee. Let's just say I didn't need a second cup of coffee.
239 00:09:57,873 00:10:01,709 - Emails, diary entries, photos, - Emails, diary entries, photos,
240 00:10:01,777 00:10:06,113 Messages, you with various women. Messages, you with various women.
241 00:10:06,165 00:10:07,282 Are they authentic? Are they authentic?
242 00:10:07,349 00:10:08,883 - Does that matter? - Does that matter?
243 00:10:08,951 00:10:10,385 - It probably does. - It probably does.
244 00:10:10,452 00:10:11,553 - They're real. - They're real.
245 00:10:11,620 00:10:13,805 But I'd rather deal with it, all of it, But I'd rather deal with it, all of it,
246 00:10:13,889 00:10:15,990 Than pay $3 million to some blackmailer. Than pay $3 million to some blackmailer.
247 00:10:16,058 00:10:19,293 - The cover letter asks for $3 million - The cover letter asks for $3 million
248 00:10:19,345 00:10:21,362 Or this will all be published in a book. Or this will all be published in a book.
249 00:10:21,430 00:10:23,681 Ms. Carville is supposed to stand by at home Ms. Carville is supposed to stand by at home
250 00:10:23,766 00:10:25,683 For a phone call today at noon For a phone call today at noon
251 00:10:25,768 00:10:27,235 To arrange payment. To arrange payment.
252 00:10:27,302 00:10:30,021 - A lot of this concerns a woman named megan kerik. - A lot of this concerns a woman named megan kerik.
253 00:10:30,105 00:10:31,239 - I'm aware. - I'm aware.
254 00:10:31,306 00:10:34,943 Things with megan ended rather...Awkwardly. Things with megan ended rather...Awkwardly.
255 00:10:34,994 00:10:36,444 It's occurred to me this might be It's occurred to me this might be
256 00:10:36,495 00:10:37,829 Some sort of attempt at revenge. Some sort of attempt at revenge.
257 00:10:37,913 00:10:41,416 - Megan kerik was murdered two nights ago. - Megan kerik was murdered two nights ago.
258 00:10:41,483 00:10:44,085 - Oh, god. - Oh, god.
259 00:10:44,152 00:10:46,854 - And before she died, she was interviewing women - And before she died, she was interviewing women
260 00:10:46,922 00:10:48,990 For a proposed article about this. For a proposed article about this.
261 00:10:49,041 00:10:52,093 - So I'm a suspect. - So I'm a suspect.
262 00:10:52,160 00:10:53,828 - Vanessa-- - I have to be. - Vanessa-- - I have to be.
263 00:10:53,879 00:10:55,496 - Did you know she was working on that article? - Did you know she was working on that article?
264 00:10:55,547 00:10:56,598 - No. - No.
265 00:10:56,665 00:10:59,601 I hadn't talked to megan in over a year. I hadn't talked to megan in over a year.
266 00:10:59,668 00:11:01,853 This is awful, just... This is awful, just...
267 00:11:01,937 00:11:06,391 Worse and worse. Worse and worse.
268 00:11:06,475 00:11:07,942 So what do we do now? So what do we do now?
269 00:11:08,010 00:11:10,511 - It can't be a coincidence that the blackmail - It can't be a coincidence that the blackmail
270 00:11:10,579 00:11:13,114 Comes at the same time as the murder. Comes at the same time as the murder.
271 00:11:13,182 00:11:14,365 We play along with the blackmailer, We play along with the blackmailer,
272 00:11:14,450 00:11:15,550 If you're up to it. If you're up to it.
273 00:11:15,618 00:11:17,785 Are you? Are you?
274 00:11:17,853 00:11:19,153 - Well, I've gotta get to the studio, - Well, I've gotta get to the studio,
275 00:11:19,204 00:11:21,355 But I'll be home before noon. But I'll be home before noon.
276 00:11:21,407 00:11:23,958 - Well, I'd like to get my people in before that. - Well, I'd like to get my people in before that.
277 00:11:24,026 00:11:27,211 - I'll arrange for it. Jack. - I'll arrange for it. Jack.
278 00:11:27,296 00:11:30,665 Thank you. Thank you.
279 00:11:37,840 00:11:39,107 - What do you think? - What do you think?
280 00:11:39,174 00:11:41,676 - Well, if she killed megan kerik to keep her quiet, - Well, if she killed megan kerik to keep her quiet,
281 00:11:41,744 00:11:44,395 Coming forward with a bogus blackmail story Coming forward with a bogus blackmail story
282 00:11:44,480 00:11:46,981 Would be a pretty smart way to throw us off. Would be a pretty smart way to throw us off.
283 00:11:47,049 00:11:49,550 - I find that hard to believe. - I find that hard to believe.
284 00:11:49,618 00:11:52,987 But just in case... But just in case...
285 00:12:00,896 00:12:03,197 - This blackmailer, whoever he is, - This blackmailer, whoever he is,
286 00:12:03,248 00:12:04,449 Is probably the murderer, right? Is probably the murderer, right?
287 00:12:04,533 00:12:05,750 - It's possible. - It's possible.
288 00:12:05,834 00:12:07,835 - Half the stuff in that envelope came from megan. - Half the stuff in that envelope came from megan.
289 00:12:07,903 00:12:09,203 The rest could have been stuff she gathered. The rest could have been stuff she gathered.
290 00:12:09,254 00:12:11,122 So he got it from her, So he got it from her,
291 00:12:11,206 00:12:12,790 Maybe she tried to back out... Maybe she tried to back out...
292 00:12:12,875 00:12:14,342 - That's a theory. - That's a theory.
293 00:12:14,409 00:12:15,960 - And the other theory is that I did it? - And the other theory is that I did it?
294 00:12:16,045 00:12:17,612 - That's a theory. - That's a theory.
295 00:12:17,680 00:12:19,797 - No more sandwiches for you. - No more sandwiches for you.
296 00:12:22,718 00:12:24,018 It's nearly 1:00. It's nearly 1:00.
297 00:12:24,086 00:12:27,305 He said he was gonna call by noon. He said he was gonna call by noon.
298 00:12:29,024 00:12:30,108 - Has that bastard called yet? - Has that bastard called yet?
299 00:12:30,192 00:12:32,477 - Not yet. - Why not? - Not yet. - Why not?
300 00:12:32,561 00:12:33,594 I mean, what's he waiting for? I mean, what's he waiting for?
301 00:12:33,645 00:12:35,029 - You don't need to be here, wayne. - You don't need to be here, wayne.
302 00:12:35,097 00:12:36,314 They're...Handling it. They're...Handling it.
303 00:12:36,398 00:12:38,399 - I don't know. - I don't know.
304 00:12:38,450 00:12:40,101 My wife's affairs with other women, My wife's affairs with other women,
305 00:12:40,152 00:12:42,470 $3 million. $3 million.
306 00:12:42,538 00:12:44,105 It's a little more interesting than anything It's a little more interesting than anything
307 00:12:44,156 00:12:45,873 Happening in the office today. Happening in the office today.
308 00:12:45,941 00:12:47,458 - I'm heading for the studio. - I'm heading for the studio.
309 00:12:47,543 00:12:49,293 You can stay if you want to. You can stay if you want to.
310 00:12:49,378 00:12:51,179 All of you. All of you.
311 00:12:55,751 00:12:58,419 - Just us guys. - Just us guys.
312 00:13:00,305 00:13:01,589 - He never called. - He never called.
313 00:13:01,640 00:13:02,807 - Did he know you were there? - Did he know you were there?
314 00:13:02,891 00:13:04,458 Maybe he was watching the house. Maybe he was watching the house.
315 00:13:04,510 00:13:06,928 - We were careful. There was a service entrance. - We were careful. There was a service entrance.
316 00:13:06,979 00:13:09,480 - So he's leaving $3 million on the table. - So he's leaving $3 million on the table.
317 00:13:09,565 00:13:11,482 - Maybe he's reformed. - Maybe he's reformed.
318 00:13:11,567 00:13:13,801 - Or maybe vanessa carville made the whole thing up. - Or maybe vanessa carville made the whole thing up.
319 00:13:13,852 00:13:15,436 - She didn't make this up. - She didn't make this up.
320 00:13:15,487 00:13:18,472 "I see you behind the monitor and all I can think about "I see you behind the monitor and all I can think about
321 00:13:18,524 00:13:21,776 Is licking the sweat rolling towards your nipple." Is licking the sweat rolling towards your nipple."
322 00:13:21,827 00:13:24,846 A message from carville to megan kerik. A message from carville to megan kerik.
323 00:13:24,913 00:13:27,815 Have you seen the stuff in this blackmail package? Have you seen the stuff in this blackmail package?
324 00:13:27,866 00:13:30,084 - I'd have paid the $3 million. - I'd have paid the $3 million.
325 00:13:30,152 00:13:33,204 - Here's one from megan's diary. - Here's one from megan's diary.
326 00:13:33,288 00:13:34,756 "I was nervous at first, "I was nervous at first,
327 00:13:34,823 00:13:36,524 "but we split one of her vicodins "but we split one of her vicodins
328 00:13:36,592 00:13:38,459 "and a bottle of wine. "and a bottle of wine.
329 00:13:38,510 00:13:43,347 And then bliss." And then bliss."
330 00:13:43,432 00:13:45,433 Hey, lupes. Hey, lupes.
331 00:13:45,500 00:13:47,668 Look at this. Look at this.
332 00:13:47,719 00:13:49,720 What do you see? What do you see?
333 00:13:49,805 00:13:51,338 - That picture. - Mm-hmm. - That picture. - Mm-hmm.
334 00:13:51,390 00:13:52,690 - It's in sara bradley's apartment. - It's in sara bradley's apartment.
335 00:13:52,775 00:13:55,309 - Yeah, the girl who said she didn't cooperate - Yeah, the girl who said she didn't cooperate
336 00:13:55,360 00:13:56,611 With megan kerik's research. With megan kerik's research.
337 00:13:56,678 00:13:58,312 - So how did that picture - So how did that picture
338 00:13:58,363 00:14:00,898 End up in the blackmail surprise? End up in the blackmail surprise?
339 00:14:00,983 00:14:03,401 - Yeah, I took that. - Yeah, I took that.
340 00:14:03,485 00:14:04,685 But I never gave it to megan. But I never gave it to megan.
341 00:14:04,736 00:14:06,788 I never gave megan anything, I told you. I never gave megan anything, I told you.
342 00:14:06,855 00:14:08,523 - Well, then how did she get it? - Well, then how did she get it?
343 00:14:08,590 00:14:10,491 - I don't know. What does it matter? - I don't know. What does it matter?
344 00:14:10,542 00:14:12,026 - Did you give it to anybody else? - Did you give it to anybody else?
345 00:14:12,077 00:14:13,194 - No, like who? - No, like who?
346 00:14:13,245 00:14:15,246 - The person who got it might be the person - The person who got it might be the person
347 00:14:15,330 00:14:16,531 Who murdered megan. Who murdered megan.
348 00:14:16,598 00:14:18,332 If you have any involvement with him, If you have any involvement with him,
349 00:14:18,383 00:14:19,417 You should tell us now. You should tell us now.
350 00:14:19,501 00:14:20,434 - [scoffs] - [scoffs]
351 00:14:20,502 00:14:21,636 What, like I'm an accomplice? What, like I'm an accomplice?
352 00:14:21,703 00:14:23,104 That is ridiculous. That is ridiculous.
353 00:14:23,172 00:14:24,505 I never gave megan anything. I never gave megan anything.
354 00:14:24,573 00:14:26,040 I never gave anyone anything, I never gave anyone anything,
355 00:14:26,091 00:14:29,844 And I definitely-- And I definitely--
356 00:14:29,895 00:14:31,445 My hard drive. My hard drive.
357 00:14:31,513 00:14:33,648 - Your hard drive? - Your hard drive?
358 00:14:33,715 00:14:38,853 - I kept some old photos on a backup hard drive. - I kept some old photos on a backup hard drive.
359 00:14:38,904 00:14:40,771 A couple of weeks ago, my apartment was broken into A couple of weeks ago, my apartment was broken into
360 00:14:40,856 00:14:42,657 And that was one of the things that was stolen. And that was one of the things that was stolen.
361 00:14:42,724 00:14:44,158 - Okay, did you file a police report? - Okay, did you file a police report?
362 00:14:44,226 00:14:45,443 - Yeah. [cell phone ringing] - Yeah. [cell phone ringing]
363 00:14:45,527 00:14:47,111 Is that why somebody broke into my apartment? Is that why somebody broke into my apartment?
364 00:14:47,196 00:14:48,279 Just to get that picture? Just to get that picture?
365 00:14:48,363 00:14:51,032 - Lupo. - Lupo.
366 00:14:51,083 00:14:52,450 All right, we'll set it up. All right, we'll set it up.
367 00:14:52,534 00:14:54,568 Carville got the call. It's a go. Carville got the call. It's a go.
368 00:14:54,620 00:14:58,422 Excuse us. Excuse us.
369 00:15:03,428 00:15:04,545 - I got her. - I got her.
370 00:15:04,596 00:15:06,047 - Got ya. - Got ya.
371 00:15:06,098 00:15:08,299 Ms. Carville, can you hear us? Ms. Carville, can you hear us?
372 00:15:08,383 00:15:09,884 - Yeah. Loud and clear. - Yeah. Loud and clear.
373 00:15:09,935 00:15:13,104 I haven't been this nervous since I interviewed dick cheney. I haven't been this nervous since I interviewed dick cheney.
374 00:15:13,188 00:15:14,989 - [chuckles] - [chuckles]
375 00:15:15,057 00:15:19,310 You're doing great. You're doing great.
376 00:15:23,699 00:15:29,237 Take a seat on the bench right there. Take a seat on the bench right there.
377 00:15:29,288 00:15:32,657 He's late. Again. He's late. Again.
378 00:15:36,278 00:15:38,779 - Visual on a male in a black overcoat. - Visual on a male in a black overcoat.
379 00:15:38,830 00:15:39,914 40 feet and closing. 40 feet and closing.
380 00:15:39,965 00:15:42,166 - I got him. - I got him.
381 00:15:42,251 00:15:43,668 - Oh, god. - Okay. - Oh, god. - Okay.
382 00:15:43,752 00:15:48,139 Stop talking to us now. Stop talking to us now.
383 00:15:51,343 00:15:54,345 - It's dipalma. Megan's editor. - It's dipalma. Megan's editor.
384 00:15:54,429 00:15:56,264 - Yeah, the one who said he had no idea - Yeah, the one who said he had no idea
385 00:15:56,315 00:15:57,515 What she was working on. What she was working on.
386 00:15:57,599 00:16:00,935 - Well, I guess he lied. - Well, I guess he lied.
387 00:16:08,694 00:16:10,528 - Did you bring the check? - Did you bring the check?
388 00:16:10,612 00:16:11,696 - Who are you? - Who are you?
389 00:16:11,780 00:16:14,148 - Did you bring it or not? - Did you bring it or not?
390 00:16:14,199 00:16:15,283 - Why are you doing this? - Why are you doing this?
391 00:16:15,350 00:16:19,537 - What the hell is she doing? - What the hell is she doing?
392 00:16:19,621 00:16:21,372 - I'm not the one paying to keep dirty secrets. - I'm not the one paying to keep dirty secrets.
393 00:16:21,456 00:16:23,341 - Conducting an interview. - Conducting an interview.
394 00:16:23,425 00:16:26,510 - When do I get the originals of the things in that envelope? - When do I get the originals of the things in that envelope?
395 00:16:26,595 00:16:27,962 - As soon as I know your check is good. - As soon as I know your check is good.
396 00:16:28,013 00:16:29,130 - Oh, I'm supposed to trust you? - Oh, I'm supposed to trust you?
397 00:16:29,197 00:16:30,298 - Vanessa! - Vanessa!
398 00:16:30,365 00:16:31,716 - [chuckles] - [chuckles]
399 00:16:31,800 00:16:32,883 You don't have a choice. You don't have a choice.
400 00:16:32,968 00:16:35,836 Now you've got about ten seconds. Now you've got about ten seconds.
401 00:16:35,887 00:16:38,189 - Just give him the damn check. - Just give him the damn check.
402 00:16:38,273 00:16:40,408 - [scoffs] - [scoffs]
403 00:16:44,279 00:16:46,897 - You should be ashamed of yourself. - You should be ashamed of yourself.
404 00:16:46,982 00:16:48,866 - He's got it. - He's got it.
405 00:16:51,653 00:16:54,872 - Hey, remember me? Turn around. - Hey, remember me? Turn around.
406 00:17:00,212 00:17:01,329 Let's go. Let's go.
407 00:17:01,396 00:17:03,497 - My client has nothing to say. - My client has nothing to say.
408 00:17:03,548 00:17:05,032 - Your client just got caught red-handed - Your client just got caught red-handed
409 00:17:05,100 00:17:06,901 Committing larceny by extortion. Committing larceny by extortion.
410 00:17:06,969 00:17:08,369 He needs to help himself out here. He needs to help himself out here.
411 00:17:08,437 00:17:10,338 - It was a simple misunderstanding. - It was a simple misunderstanding.
412 00:17:10,405 00:17:11,472 - Yeah. - Yeah.
413 00:17:11,539 00:17:14,642 For megan kerik, it was. For megan kerik, it was.
414 00:17:14,709 00:17:17,428 She brought you her big story, didn't she? She brought you her big story, didn't she?
415 00:17:17,512 00:17:21,265 She wanted you to publish it, but you had a better idea. She wanted you to publish it, but you had a better idea.
416 00:17:21,350 00:17:23,734 A way of making some real money. A way of making some real money.
417 00:17:23,819 00:17:25,186 Then what happened? Then what happened?
418 00:17:25,253 00:17:26,654 She disagree? She disagree?
419 00:17:26,721 00:17:28,072 - I had nothing to do with what happened to megan. - I had nothing to do with what happened to megan.
420 00:17:28,156 00:17:30,107 - Dennis. Don't say anything. - Dennis. Don't say anything.
421 00:17:30,192 00:17:32,076 No more questions. Should I try that in french? No more questions. Should I try that in french?
422 00:17:32,160 00:17:33,244 - Just one more. - Just one more.
423 00:17:33,328 00:17:34,528 Does you client want to give us a key Does you client want to give us a key
424 00:17:34,579 00:17:36,263 To his apartment, or would he prefer To his apartment, or would he prefer
425 00:17:36,331 00:17:37,732 We take the door off its hinges? We take the door off its hinges?
426 00:17:37,799 00:17:41,235 The search warrant is on its way. The search warrant is on its way.
427 00:17:41,303 00:17:43,921 - What did the police find? - What did the police find?
428 00:17:44,006 00:17:45,906 - Enough to nail dipalma on the blackmail - Enough to nail dipalma on the blackmail
429 00:17:45,957 00:17:47,458 Ten times over. Ten times over.
430 00:17:47,542 00:17:49,427 Megan kerik's notebooks and diaries, Megan kerik's notebooks and diaries,
431 00:17:49,511 00:17:51,045 The originals of all the blackmail material, The originals of all the blackmail material,
432 00:17:51,096 00:17:53,914 The stolen computer hard drive. The stolen computer hard drive.
433 00:17:53,965 00:17:56,283 - How about for the murder of megan kerik? - How about for the murder of megan kerik?
434 00:17:56,351 00:17:58,052 - The pubic hair found in dipalma's sheets - The pubic hair found in dipalma's sheets
435 00:17:58,120 00:17:59,553 Matches the hair found on her body. Matches the hair found on her body.
436 00:17:59,621 00:18:01,989 - So they were lovers. And? - So they were lovers. And?
437 00:18:02,057 00:18:03,991 - Well, it seems pretty obvious what happened. - Well, it seems pretty obvious what happened.
438 00:18:04,059 00:18:07,094 Megan felt burned by her relationship with carville. Megan felt burned by her relationship with carville.
439 00:18:07,145 00:18:09,113 She was expecting a promotion, at least. She was expecting a promotion, at least.
440 00:18:09,197 00:18:12,400 Instead, got dumped for the next flavor of the month Instead, got dumped for the next flavor of the month
441 00:18:12,451 00:18:13,567 And then laid off. And then laid off.
442 00:18:13,618 00:18:14,935 It's all in her diaries. It's all in her diaries.
443 00:18:15,003 00:18:16,237 She wanted to get even. She wanted to get even.
444 00:18:16,288 00:18:18,439 - And dipalma hijacked her article - And dipalma hijacked her article
445 00:18:18,490 00:18:20,291 And turned it into blackmail. And turned it into blackmail.
446 00:18:20,375 00:18:22,076 Can you prove that? Can you prove that?
447 00:18:22,144 00:18:24,178 - That wasn't in her diary. - That wasn't in her diary.
448 00:18:24,246 00:18:26,130 - So what have you got on the murder? - So what have you got on the murder?
449 00:18:26,214 00:18:27,998 - Enough to nail dipalma on the blackmail - Enough to nail dipalma on the blackmail
450 00:18:28,083 00:18:31,252 Ten times over. Ten times over.
451 00:18:31,303 00:18:33,120 - It's better than nothing. - It's better than nothing.
452 00:18:33,171 00:18:35,556 And it could be a lever to shake something loose. And it could be a lever to shake something loose.
453 00:18:35,623 00:18:37,858 Move on it. Move on it.
454 00:18:41,430 00:18:44,348 - Case 34321, people v. Dennis dipalma. - Case 34321, people v. Dennis dipalma.
455 00:18:44,433 00:18:46,300 Attempted grand larceny in the first degree. Attempted grand larceny in the first degree.
456 00:18:46,351 00:18:48,652 - The defendant enters a plea of not guilty. - The defendant enters a plea of not guilty.
457 00:18:48,737 00:18:50,020 - People request remand, your honor. - People request remand, your honor.
458 00:18:50,105 00:18:51,906 In addition to the crime he's charged with here today, In addition to the crime he's charged with here today,
459 00:18:51,973 00:18:55,276 Mr. Dipalma is the key suspect in a related homicide. Mr. Dipalma is the key suspect in a related homicide.
460 00:18:55,343 00:18:56,827 - Says who? Based on what? - Says who? Based on what?
461 00:18:56,912 00:18:58,446 That's completely irrelevant to the issue of bail That's completely irrelevant to the issue of bail
462 00:18:58,513 00:18:59,613 On this charge. On this charge.
463 00:18:59,664 00:19:01,549 - This is the attempted extortion - This is the attempted extortion
464 00:19:01,616 00:19:03,551 Of that television personality? Of that television personality?
465 00:19:03,618 00:19:05,652 For $3 million, is that correct? For $3 million, is that correct?
466 00:19:05,704 00:19:07,872 - That's the charge, but mr. Dipalma is innocent. - That's the charge, but mr. Dipalma is innocent.
467 00:19:07,956 00:19:09,990 - You mentioned that. - You mentioned that.
468 00:19:10,041 00:19:11,659 Meanwhile for bail, why don't we pick a number Meanwhile for bail, why don't we pick a number
469 00:19:11,726 00:19:13,961 That is relevant to this case. That is relevant to this case.
470 00:19:14,012 00:19:15,679 $3 million. $3 million.
471 00:19:15,764 00:19:17,715 [bangs gavel] [bangs gavel]
472 00:19:17,799 00:19:21,168 [reporters shouting questions] [reporters shouting questions]
473 00:19:21,219 00:19:22,553 - In this case so far, - In this case so far,
474 00:19:22,637 00:19:24,271 We've only heard one side of the story, We've only heard one side of the story,
475 00:19:24,339 00:19:25,556 Ms. Carville's side, Ms. Carville's side,
476 00:19:25,640 00:19:27,892 Which the police and district attorney Which the police and district attorney
477 00:19:27,976 00:19:29,610 Have swallowed whole. Have swallowed whole.
478 00:19:29,677 00:19:31,845 But this case isn't just about the motive, But this case isn't just about the motive,
479 00:19:31,897 00:19:33,814 Intent, and conduct of dennis dipalma, Intent, and conduct of dennis dipalma,
480 00:19:33,865 00:19:37,118 It's also about the motive, intent, and conduct It's also about the motive, intent, and conduct
481 00:19:37,185 00:19:38,536 Of vanessa carville. Of vanessa carville.
482 00:19:38,620 00:19:40,521 Mr. Dipalma looks forward to telling Mr. Dipalma looks forward to telling
483 00:19:40,572 00:19:42,206 The full story in court, The full story in court,
484 00:19:42,290 00:19:44,875 And if in defending his reputation And if in defending his reputation
485 00:19:44,960 00:19:46,410 Other people's are damaged, well, Other people's are damaged, well,
486 00:19:46,495 00:19:49,079 It's just the way it's gotta be. It's just the way it's gotta be.
487 00:19:49,164 00:19:52,917 I for one have a few questions for ms. Carville. I for one have a few questions for ms. Carville.
488 00:19:53,001 00:19:55,636 Actually, more than a few. Actually, more than a few.
489 00:19:55,703 00:19:59,890 - Now the real blackmail begins. - Now the real blackmail begins.
490 00:20:04,515 00:20:05,798 - It's only fair, your honor. - It's only fair, your honor.
491 00:20:05,883 00:20:07,483 Mr. Dipalma has the right to get his side of the story out. Mr. Dipalma has the right to get his side of the story out.
492 00:20:07,551 00:20:10,470 - This is rather a long list of material you're seeking. - This is rather a long list of material you're seeking.
493 00:20:10,554 00:20:12,055 - All of which is likely to lead to credible - All of which is likely to lead to credible
494 00:20:12,106 00:20:13,423 And relevant evidence for the defense. And relevant evidence for the defense.
495 00:20:13,490 00:20:16,693 - Ms. Carville's tax returns for the past ten years. - Ms. Carville's tax returns for the past ten years.
496 00:20:16,760 00:20:18,394 - To see if she's taken any business deductions - To see if she's taken any business deductions
497 00:20:18,445 00:20:20,730 For the purchase of embarrassing material. For the purchase of embarrassing material.
498 00:20:20,781 00:20:22,982 - What, you think she itemized previous blackmail attempts? - What, you think she itemized previous blackmail attempts?
499 00:20:23,067 00:20:24,317 - I want to know if she's bought any material - I want to know if she's bought any material
500 00:20:24,401 00:20:26,602 Similar to that offered her by mr. Dipalma. Similar to that offered her by mr. Dipalma.
501 00:20:26,654 00:20:28,154 - He wasn't selling her a book. - He wasn't selling her a book.
502 00:20:28,238 00:20:30,940 He was committing larceny by extortion. He was committing larceny by extortion.
503 00:20:31,008 00:20:32,942 - Actually, he was conducting a journalistic sting. - Actually, he was conducting a journalistic sting.
504 00:20:32,993 00:20:36,079 Mr. Dipalma was going to publish an expose Mr. Dipalma was going to publish an expose
505 00:20:36,146 00:20:37,747 Of ms. Carville's behavior on his website. Of ms. Carville's behavior on his website.
506 00:20:37,815 00:20:39,015 - Well, then why didn't he? - Well, then why didn't he?
507 00:20:39,083 00:20:43,419 Why demand a $3 million check not to publish it? Why demand a $3 million check not to publish it?
508 00:20:43,470 00:20:45,221 - He was never gonna cash that check. - He was never gonna cash that check.
509 00:20:45,288 00:20:47,306 He was gonna post of a photo of it on his website He was gonna post of a photo of it on his website
510 00:20:47,391 00:20:49,308 As proof that she had something to hide. As proof that she had something to hide.
511 00:20:49,393 00:20:51,177 - We are straying into absolute fantasy here. - We are straying into absolute fantasy here.
512 00:20:51,261 00:20:52,478 - Really? - Really?
513 00:20:52,563 00:20:54,797 What kind of blackmailer asks for payment by check? What kind of blackmailer asks for payment by check?
514 00:20:54,848 00:20:56,482 - A dumb one. - A dumb one.
515 00:20:56,567 00:20:57,967 This isn't an intelligence test. This isn't an intelligence test.
516 00:20:58,018 00:20:59,819 This is a criminal proceeding. This is a criminal proceeding.
517 00:20:59,903 00:21:02,405 And these defense subpoenas are onerous, And these defense subpoenas are onerous,
518 00:21:02,473 00:21:04,607 Unreasonable, and designed merely Unreasonable, and designed merely
519 00:21:04,658 00:21:06,743 To harass the victim of the crime. To harass the victim of the crime.
520 00:21:06,810 00:21:10,913 I mean, full personnel files of more than 200 I mean, full personnel files of more than 200
521 00:21:10,981 00:21:14,617 Of ms. Carville's employees going back to 1992? Of ms. Carville's employees going back to 1992?
522 00:21:14,668 00:21:16,169 - Have any complained of sexual harassment? - Have any complained of sexual harassment?
523 00:21:16,253 00:21:18,321 Have any been granted special treatment Have any been granted special treatment
524 00:21:18,389 00:21:19,822 In exchange for sexual favors? In exchange for sexual favors?
525 00:21:19,890 00:21:23,026 - Your requests are extraordinary, mr. Baron. - Your requests are extraordinary, mr. Baron.
526 00:21:23,093 00:21:26,796 But I will see the briefs on this. But I will see the briefs on this.
527 00:21:29,233 00:21:31,367 - The judge is going to allow it? - The judge is going to allow it?
528 00:21:31,435 00:21:33,936 - No, she just hasn't decided yet. - No, she just hasn't decided yet.
529 00:21:34,004 00:21:36,189 I can't imagine she'll give him everything he's asking for. I can't imagine she'll give him everything he's asking for.
530 00:21:36,273 00:21:38,307 - But some of what he's asking for. - But some of what he's asking for.
531 00:21:38,375 00:21:40,276 - We're using all of our resources. - We're using all of our resources.
532 00:21:40,343 00:21:41,811 The law is on our side. The law is on our side.
533 00:21:41,879 00:21:43,679 - I just had a candid talk with my audience - I just had a candid talk with my audience
534 00:21:43,731 00:21:45,615 About this whole situation. About this whole situation.
535 00:21:45,682 00:21:48,184 I hoped I would never have to say anything else. I hoped I would never have to say anything else.
536 00:21:48,252 00:21:51,187 - Well, you will have to be a witness at the trial. - Well, you will have to be a witness at the trial.
537 00:21:51,255 00:21:53,406 - I guess I knew that. - I guess I knew that.
538 00:21:53,490 00:21:55,958 I just didn't... I just didn't...
539 00:21:56,026 00:21:57,910 Things are a little tense right now Things are a little tense right now
540 00:21:57,995 00:21:59,045 On the home front. On the home front.
541 00:21:59,129 00:22:01,531 My husband or his attorney may end up My husband or his attorney may end up
542 00:22:01,598 00:22:03,382 Sitting at that trial taking notes Sitting at that trial taking notes
543 00:22:03,467 00:22:05,367 If we end up fighting over child custody. If we end up fighting over child custody.
544 00:22:05,419 00:22:06,586 The things that could come out. The things that could come out.
545 00:22:06,670 00:22:09,972 - I promise you, we'll fight to keep the trial - I promise you, we'll fight to keep the trial
546 00:22:10,040 00:22:12,391 As narrowly focused as we can. As narrowly focused as we can.
547 00:22:12,476 00:22:14,060 - The other guy's the criminal. - The other guy's the criminal.
548 00:22:14,144 00:22:15,728 Why are we doing all the fighting? Why are we doing all the fighting?
549 00:22:15,813 00:22:18,898 Oh, boy. Oh, boy.
550 00:22:18,982 00:22:20,183 - Child custody? - Child custody?
551 00:22:20,234 00:22:22,852 She's probably wishing she paid the $3 million. She's probably wishing she paid the $3 million.
552 00:22:22,903 00:22:24,153 - Baron's playing a game. - Baron's playing a game.
553 00:22:24,221 00:22:26,072 Nothing he's asking for is relevant. Nothing he's asking for is relevant.
554 00:22:26,156 00:22:27,740 - That judge might disagree. - That judge might disagree.
555 00:22:27,825 00:22:29,275 - Well, we'll handle it. - Well, we'll handle it.
556 00:22:29,359 00:22:30,693 Meanwhile, let's shoot down the claim Meanwhile, let's shoot down the claim
557 00:22:30,744 00:22:32,745 That dipalma was practicing journalism, That dipalma was practicing journalism,
558 00:22:32,830 00:22:34,063 Not blackmail. Not blackmail.
559 00:22:34,114 00:22:36,749 That check that he was supposedly never gonna cash. That check that he was supposedly never gonna cash.
560 00:22:36,834 00:22:38,417 - Yeah, made out at his request - Yeah, made out at his request
561 00:22:38,502 00:22:40,286 To something called feature literistics. To something called feature literistics.
562 00:22:40,370 00:22:42,004 - Yeah, what the hell is that? - Yeah, what the hell is that?
563 00:22:44,942 00:22:46,042 - I'm a little busy. - I'm a little busy.
564 00:22:46,110 00:22:47,243 The owner made me acting editor The owner made me acting editor
565 00:22:47,294 00:22:49,178 Until this business with dennis gets sorted out. Until this business with dennis gets sorted out.
566 00:22:49,246 00:22:50,746 - Well, by the looks of things, you might be acting - Well, by the looks of things, you might be acting
567 00:22:50,798 00:22:51,798 For the next eight to ten. For the next eight to ten.
568 00:22:51,882 00:22:53,549 - Oh, no, thank you. - Oh, no, thank you.
569 00:22:53,600 00:22:54,767 Getting a little tired of sorting through Getting a little tired of sorting through
570 00:22:54,852 00:22:56,385 Celebrity trash. Celebrity trash.
571 00:22:56,436 00:22:57,603 But I might be going back to school, though. But I might be going back to school, though.
572 00:22:57,688 00:22:59,122 Maybe architecture. Maybe architecture.
573 00:22:59,189 00:23:00,773 - I just needed to know, - I just needed to know,
574 00:23:00,858 00:23:01,891 Have you ever heard of something called Have you ever heard of something called
575 00:23:01,942 00:23:03,442 Feature literistics? Feature literistics?
576 00:23:03,527 00:23:05,094 - Feature literistics? - Feature literistics?
577 00:23:05,145 00:23:06,529 Sounds like a literary enterprise Sounds like a literary enterprise
578 00:23:06,596 00:23:07,897 Named by someone who can't read. Named by someone who can't read.
579 00:23:07,948 00:23:10,616 - Was dipalma involved with anything with that name-- - Was dipalma involved with anything with that name--
580 00:23:10,701 00:23:12,601 A publishing house, a magazine, A publishing house, a magazine,
581 00:23:12,653 00:23:13,769 Anything with a bank account? Anything with a bank account?
582 00:23:13,837 00:23:14,937 - I gotta tell you, - I gotta tell you,
583 00:23:14,988 00:23:16,122 I think you're on wrong trail here. I think you're on wrong trail here.
584 00:23:16,206 00:23:17,406 Dennis was never hard up for money. Dennis was never hard up for money.
585 00:23:17,457 00:23:19,375 He has a nice apartment, a nice car, He has a nice apartment, a nice car,
586 00:23:19,442 00:23:21,077 Takes nice vacations. Takes nice vacations.
587 00:23:21,128 00:23:22,995 - Vacations where? - Vacations where?
588 00:23:23,080 00:23:25,014 Cayman islands. Cayman islands.
589 00:23:25,082 00:23:27,083 - An offshore bank account. - An offshore bank account.
590 00:23:27,134 00:23:29,618 - Opened one month ago in the name - Opened one month ago in the name
591 00:23:29,670 00:23:31,304 Of feature literistics, Of feature literistics,
592 00:23:31,388 00:23:34,006 A corporation registered to a bahamas post office box. A corporation registered to a bahamas post office box.
593 00:23:34,091 00:23:36,592 - Mr. Dipalma went to a lot of trouble - Mr. Dipalma went to a lot of trouble
594 00:23:36,643 00:23:39,628 To create an untraceable account to deposit a check To create an untraceable account to deposit a check
595 00:23:39,680 00:23:41,063 That he was never gonna cash. That he was never gonna cash.
596 00:23:41,131 00:23:42,431 - Yeah, he was definitely more interested - Yeah, he was definitely more interested
597 00:23:42,482 00:23:45,134 In the $3 million than the pulitzer prize. In the $3 million than the pulitzer prize.
598 00:23:45,185 00:23:46,519 But there's more. But there's more.
599 00:23:46,603 00:23:48,437 He opened the account in person He opened the account in person
600 00:23:48,488 00:23:51,073 During a three-day stay at a beach resort During a three-day stay at a beach resort
601 00:23:51,141 00:23:52,642 With megan kerik. With megan kerik.
602 00:23:52,709 00:23:55,778 - Little more pubic hair transferring going on? - Little more pubic hair transferring going on?
603 00:23:55,846 00:23:57,280 - Apparently. - Apparently.
604 00:23:57,331 00:23:58,915 Either they were doing the blackmail together Either they were doing the blackmail together
605 00:23:58,982 00:24:00,116 And had a falling out-- And had a falling out--
606 00:24:00,167 00:24:03,652 - Or she really was working on an article... - Or she really was working on an article...
607 00:24:03,704 00:24:04,820 He found out about it, He found out about it,
608 00:24:04,888 00:24:07,256 Decided to go the blackmail route instead. Decided to go the blackmail route instead.
609 00:24:07,324 00:24:10,159 She didn't want to go along, and he kills her. She didn't want to go along, and he kills her.
610 00:24:10,210 00:24:12,495 - Or his accomplice did. - Or his accomplice did.
611 00:24:12,563 00:24:14,297 - What accomplice? - What accomplice?
612 00:24:14,364 00:24:16,165 - The weekend they were in the caribbean, - The weekend they were in the caribbean,
613 00:24:16,216 00:24:18,434 It's the same weekend sara bradley's apartment It's the same weekend sara bradley's apartment
614 00:24:18,501 00:24:20,436 Was broken into, and her hard drive Was broken into, and her hard drive
615 00:24:20,503 00:24:22,305 With the compromising photos With the compromising photos
616 00:24:22,356 00:24:24,223 Showed up in dipalma's apartment. Showed up in dipalma's apartment.
617 00:24:24,308 00:24:25,892 The police assumed that he had stolen it. The police assumed that he had stolen it.
618 00:24:25,976 00:24:28,861 - Well, we all did. - Well, we all did.
619 00:24:31,181 00:24:34,066 - My accomplice to what? I didn't do anything. - My accomplice to what? I didn't do anything.
620 00:24:34,151 00:24:35,234 - Mr. Dipalma, - Mr. Dipalma,
621 00:24:35,319 00:24:39,188 You may have an opportunity here. You may have an opportunity here.
622 00:24:39,239 00:24:41,540 - I don't know what they're talking about. - I don't know what they're talking about.
623 00:24:41,625 00:24:43,743 - So let him explain. - So let him explain.
624 00:24:43,827 00:24:45,127 - As you know, - As you know,
625 00:24:45,195 00:24:48,214 We're taking this blackmail charge very seriously. We're taking this blackmail charge very seriously.
626 00:24:48,298 00:24:51,167 But murder is always a higher priority. But murder is always a higher priority.
627 00:24:51,235 00:24:52,568 - Murder again? - Murder again?
628 00:24:52,636 00:24:53,753 You know and I know you don't have You know and I know you don't have
629 00:24:53,837 00:24:55,605 A shred of evidence against mr. Dipalma. A shred of evidence against mr. Dipalma.
630 00:24:55,672 00:24:57,974 - If another person was involved, - If another person was involved,
631 00:24:58,041 00:25:00,559 And mr. Dipalma can help us find that person, And mr. Dipalma can help us find that person,
632 00:25:00,644 00:25:02,762 Then there's always the possibility Then there's always the possibility
633 00:25:02,846 00:25:06,715 Of a plea negotiation. Of a plea negotiation.
634 00:25:06,767 00:25:08,351 - Sara bradley's computer hard drive - Sara bradley's computer hard drive
635 00:25:08,402 00:25:11,787 Was found in your apartment after it was stolen from hers. Was found in your apartment after it was stolen from hers.
636 00:25:11,855 00:25:14,290 How did it come into your possession? How did it come into your possession?
637 00:25:14,358 00:25:16,108 - That was research for my expose. - That was research for my expose.
638 00:25:16,193 00:25:17,743 I got it myself. I got it myself.
639 00:25:17,828 00:25:19,462 - You're confessing to burglary? - You're confessing to burglary?
640 00:25:19,529 00:25:22,131 - He's not confessing to anything. - He's not confessing to anything.
641 00:25:22,199 00:25:24,750 - Well, he's covering for somebody. - Well, he's covering for somebody.
642 00:25:24,835 00:25:27,670 Why? Why?
643 00:25:30,040 00:25:32,375 - Well, I guess we don't have anything else to say. - Well, I guess we don't have anything else to say.
644 00:25:32,426 00:25:36,379 Except... Except...
645 00:25:36,430 00:25:38,431 - I've been reviewing the briefs in this matter - I've been reviewing the briefs in this matter
646 00:25:38,515 00:25:39,598 With interest. With interest.
647 00:25:39,683 00:25:41,183 But I see no basis for the defense But I see no basis for the defense
648 00:25:41,251 00:25:42,918 To get ms. Carville's tax records. To get ms. Carville's tax records.
649 00:25:42,970 00:25:44,437 And the request to see And the request to see
650 00:25:44,521 00:25:45,972 The notes of her marriage counseling sessions The notes of her marriage counseling sessions
651 00:25:46,056 00:25:48,524 Is out of bounds for about five different reasons. Is out of bounds for about five different reasons.
652 00:25:48,591 00:25:51,477 - The, uh, personnel files of ms. Carville's employees - The, uh, personnel files of ms. Carville's employees
653 00:25:51,561 00:25:53,896 Are likewise privileged and confidential. Are likewise privileged and confidential.
654 00:25:53,947 00:25:56,132 - They're also relevant and material on their face. - They're also relevant and material on their face.
655 00:25:56,199 00:25:58,167 This case is all about ms. Carville's This case is all about ms. Carville's
656 00:25:58,235 00:25:59,568 Relationships with her employees. Relationships with her employees.
657 00:25:59,636 00:26:01,904 - Actually, it's about your client's attempt - Actually, it's about your client's attempt
658 00:26:01,955 00:26:03,239 To commit blackmail. To commit blackmail.
659 00:26:03,290 00:26:04,573 If you lost your copy of the indictment, If you lost your copy of the indictment,
660 00:26:04,624 00:26:07,643 You can take a look at mine. You can take a look at mine.
661 00:26:07,711 00:26:09,278 - The material mr. Dipalma compiled - The material mr. Dipalma compiled
662 00:26:09,346 00:26:11,881 Came largely from a woman named megan kerik. Came largely from a woman named megan kerik.
663 00:26:11,948 00:26:13,983 - Whom we suspect mr. Dipalma of murdering. - Whom we suspect mr. Dipalma of murdering.
664 00:26:14,051 00:26:15,167 - I didn't see any mention of that - I didn't see any mention of that
665 00:26:15,252 00:26:16,919 In the indictment either. In the indictment either.
666 00:26:16,987 00:26:19,622 Ms. Kerik had conducted research Ms. Kerik had conducted research
667 00:26:19,690 00:26:21,507 Amongst ms. Carville's former employees, Amongst ms. Carville's former employees,
668 00:26:21,591 00:26:23,125 Several of whom are not named. Several of whom are not named.
669 00:26:23,193 00:26:25,394 We need to find these women to ask them We need to find these women to ask them
670 00:26:25,462 00:26:27,463 What ms. Kerik told them about her project. What ms. Kerik told them about her project.
671 00:26:27,531 00:26:29,515 - These women do not want to be dragged - These women do not want to be dragged
672 00:26:29,599 00:26:31,067 Into the limelight. Into the limelight.
673 00:26:31,134 00:26:32,301 - If they can shed exculpatory light - If they can shed exculpatory light
674 00:26:32,352 00:26:34,270 On ms. Kerik and mr. Dipalma's intentions, On ms. Kerik and mr. Dipalma's intentions,
675 00:26:34,338 00:26:35,938 That's not their choice. That's not their choice.
676 00:26:36,006 00:26:37,973 My client has a right to compel their testimony. My client has a right to compel their testimony.
677 00:26:38,041 00:26:39,275 - That's the one point of your argument - That's the one point of your argument
678 00:26:39,343 00:26:40,576 I'll grant, mr. Baron. I'll grant, mr. Baron.
679 00:26:40,644 00:26:43,112 But you need to draft your subpoena more narrowly But you need to draft your subpoena more narrowly
680 00:26:43,163 00:26:45,281 To include the files only of those women To include the files only of those women
681 00:26:45,332 00:26:48,117 Who might have been candidates for ms. Kerik's research. Who might have been candidates for ms. Kerik's research.
682 00:26:48,168 00:26:51,754 - Very good, your honor, thank you. - Very good, your honor, thank you.
683 00:26:51,821 00:26:53,122 - Former lovers on parade. - Former lovers on parade.
684 00:26:53,173 00:26:54,924 I wonder how vanessa carville's gonna feel about that. I wonder how vanessa carville's gonna feel about that.
685 00:26:54,991 00:26:58,344 - I'll go talk to her. - I'll go talk to her.
686 00:26:58,428 00:27:00,796 [knocking on door] [knocking on door]
687 00:27:00,847 00:27:02,715 - How did it go? - How did it go?
688 00:27:02,799 00:27:04,467 - See for yourself. - See for yourself.
689 00:27:04,518 00:27:07,136 - Well, I don't know about the rest of you, - Well, I don't know about the rest of you,
690 00:27:07,187 00:27:10,439 But I've been having a pretty lousy week. But I've been having a pretty lousy week.
691 00:27:10,507 00:27:12,441 Yeah, thank you. Yeah, thank you.
692 00:27:12,509 00:27:13,609 [clears throat] [clears throat]
693 00:27:13,676 00:27:14,843 As I mentioned before, As I mentioned before,
694 00:27:14,895 00:27:18,230 I've done some pretty kinky things in my life. I've done some pretty kinky things in my life.
695 00:27:18,315 00:27:20,900 I mean, was anybody really surprised? I mean, was anybody really surprised?
696 00:27:20,984 00:27:22,068 [chuckles] [chuckles]
697 00:27:22,152 00:27:24,853 But now, owing to the wondrous nature But now, owing to the wondrous nature
698 00:27:24,905 00:27:27,022 Of our legal system, Of our legal system,
699 00:27:27,074 00:27:28,707 The man accused of blackmailing me The man accused of blackmailing me
700 00:27:28,792 00:27:31,410 About those things has been granted the right About those things has been granted the right
701 00:27:31,495 00:27:33,829 To drag a whole lot of wonderful people To drag a whole lot of wonderful people
702 00:27:33,880 00:27:35,965 Who've worked for me through the mud. Who've worked for me through the mud.
703 00:27:36,032 00:27:38,367 [audience jeering] yeah, I know. [audience jeering] yeah, I know.
704 00:27:38,418 00:27:39,668 - She's good. - She's good.
705 00:27:39,719 00:27:41,387 - I know. It's true. - I know. It's true.
706 00:27:41,471 00:27:43,589 And on some level, that's fair, I guess, And on some level, that's fair, I guess,
707 00:27:43,673 00:27:45,541 But...I think it stinks. But...I think it stinks.
708 00:27:45,609 00:27:49,678 And as much as I would like to see justice done, And as much as I would like to see justice done,
709 00:27:49,729 00:27:51,647 I wouldn't be able to live with myself I wouldn't be able to live with myself
710 00:27:51,715 00:27:53,482 If I thought so many good people, If I thought so many good people,
711 00:27:53,550 00:27:57,386 So many good friends-- many of whom I've already hurt-- So many good friends-- many of whom I've already hurt--
712 00:27:57,454 00:28:01,190 Would have their reputations and lives messed up. Would have their reputations and lives messed up.
713 00:28:01,258 00:28:06,278 So...I feel I have no choice. So...I feel I have no choice.
714 00:28:06,363 00:28:10,166 I am going to abandon my complaint against this man, I am going to abandon my complaint against this man,
715 00:28:10,233 00:28:13,419 Even if it means a blackmailer goes free. Even if it means a blackmailer goes free.
716 00:28:13,503 00:28:17,139 - Not to mention a murderer. - Not to mention a murderer.
717 00:28:17,207 00:28:18,624 - Right. - Right.
718 00:28:23,555 00:28:25,606 - The defense motion to dismiss is premature. - The defense motion to dismiss is premature.
719 00:28:25,691 00:28:27,225 Our evidence hasn't disappeared. Our evidence hasn't disappeared.
720 00:28:27,292 00:28:29,694 - Your complaining witness has, mr. Cutter. - Your complaining witness has, mr. Cutter.
721 00:28:29,762 00:28:31,145 I do read the papers. I do read the papers.
722 00:28:31,230 00:28:32,730 - The trial hasn't even begun. - The trial hasn't even begun.
723 00:28:32,781 00:28:35,299 It's a little early to say that she's not gonna show up. It's a little early to say that she's not gonna show up.
724 00:28:35,367 00:28:37,118 - She just told 10 million people she wouldn't. - She just told 10 million people she wouldn't.
725 00:28:37,202 00:28:38,503 - Yes. - Yes.
726 00:28:38,570 00:28:40,321 And that made good television, didn't it? And that made good television, didn't it?
727 00:28:40,406 00:28:42,290 We are continuing communication We are continuing communication
728 00:28:42,374 00:28:44,042 With the victim of this crime-- With the victim of this crime--
729 00:28:44,109 00:28:46,044 - And good luck to you. - And good luck to you.
730 00:28:46,111 00:28:47,412 I won't dismiss for now, I won't dismiss for now,
731 00:28:47,463 00:28:49,347 But I'm releasing mr. Dipalma on his own recognizance. But I'm releasing mr. Dipalma on his own recognizance.
732 00:28:49,415 00:28:52,383 There doesn't seem to be much point to keep him in jail There doesn't seem to be much point to keep him in jail
733 00:28:52,451 00:28:54,252 Waiting for a trial that may never happen. Waiting for a trial that may never happen.
734 00:28:54,319 00:28:55,586 [bangs gavel] [bangs gavel]
735 00:28:59,925 00:29:01,125 - Well, that's great. - Well, that's great.
736 00:29:01,176 00:29:02,977 Now he and his accomplice can go out for a beer Now he and his accomplice can go out for a beer
737 00:29:03,062 00:29:06,681 And have a big laugh about this whole thing. And have a big laugh about this whole thing.
738 00:29:06,765 00:29:08,816 - You know what? - You know what?
739 00:29:08,901 00:29:13,488 That might not be a bad idea. That might not be a bad idea.
740 00:29:13,572 00:29:15,189 [knocking on door] [knocking on door]
741 00:29:15,274 00:29:17,141 - Have you seen what's on the internet? - Have you seen what's on the internet?
742 00:29:17,192 00:29:20,278 It says here dennis dipalma It says here dennis dipalma
743 00:29:20,329 00:29:22,646 Just got half a million dollars Just got half a million dollars
744 00:29:22,698 00:29:25,199 To write a book about vanessa carville. To write a book about vanessa carville.
745 00:29:25,284 00:29:26,384 - Well, his lawyer - Well, his lawyer
746 00:29:26,452 00:29:28,503 Always said it was a journalistic project. Always said it was a journalistic project.
747 00:29:28,587 00:29:29,954 He's only $2.5 million short. He's only $2.5 million short.
748 00:29:30,005 00:29:31,289 - So far. - So far.
749 00:29:31,340 00:29:34,041 There's still paperback, first serial, movie rights. There's still paperback, first serial, movie rights.
750 00:29:34,126 00:29:36,994 This could be as profitable as what he tried with carville. This could be as profitable as what he tried with carville.
751 00:29:37,062 00:29:41,265 - Publishing that material is perfectly legal, - Publishing that material is perfectly legal,
752 00:29:41,333 00:29:43,551 While threatening to publish it is a felony. While threatening to publish it is a felony.
753 00:29:43,635 00:29:44,886 That doesn't seem to make sense, That doesn't seem to make sense,
754 00:29:44,970 00:29:46,053 Yet somehow it does. Yet somehow it does.
755 00:29:46,138 00:29:49,891 - Because it's coercion. - Because it's coercion.
756 00:29:49,975 00:29:53,611 - Glad to know we prosecute it for a reason. - Glad to know we prosecute it for a reason.
757 00:30:12,131 00:30:14,665 [telephone rings] [telephone rings]
758 00:30:14,716 00:30:15,716 - Yeah. - Yeah.
759 00:30:15,801 00:30:18,302 - Feel good to be back? - Feel good to be back?
760 00:30:18,370 00:30:19,670 - What do you think? - What do you think?
761 00:30:19,721 00:30:21,472 - I hear congratulations are in order. - I hear congratulations are in order.
762 00:30:21,540 00:30:23,257 - Yeah, graduated top of my class at rikers. - Yeah, graduated top of my class at rikers.
763 00:30:23,342 00:30:25,243 - I just read about your book deal. - I just read about your book deal.
764 00:30:25,310 00:30:28,479 Surprised you didn't call me to share the good news. Surprised you didn't call me to share the good news.
765 00:30:28,547 00:30:30,681 - No one's called me. It's just publishing gossip. - No one's called me. It's just publishing gossip.
766 00:30:30,749 00:30:33,401 - Half a million dollars. I want 250. - Half a million dollars. I want 250.
767 00:30:33,485 00:30:35,069 - There's no money. It's just a rumor. - There's no money. It's just a rumor.
768 00:30:35,154 00:30:36,354 - Really? - Really?
769 00:30:36,405 00:30:37,605 Are you hiding it in the caymans Are you hiding it in the caymans
770 00:30:37,689 00:30:38,739 Like you were gonna hide the money from carville? Like you were gonna hide the money from carville?
771 00:30:38,824 00:30:39,907 - There's nothing to hide. - There's nothing to hide.
772 00:30:39,992 00:30:41,492 I'm telling you, I swear. I'm telling you, I swear.
773 00:30:41,560 00:30:42,893 - Are you sure that's the way you want to be? - Are you sure that's the way you want to be?
774 00:30:42,945 00:30:45,997 - It worked. The phony book deal story. - It worked. The phony book deal story.
775 00:30:46,064 00:30:47,782 - I thought it might give dipalma and his friend - I thought it might give dipalma and his friend
776 00:30:47,866 00:30:49,167 Something to talk about. Something to talk about.
777 00:30:49,234 00:30:51,068 Do the police know who the caller is? Do the police know who the caller is?
778 00:30:51,136 00:30:52,587 - Yeah, derek fanning. - Yeah, derek fanning.
779 00:30:52,671 00:30:54,038 Works on the website. I met him. Works on the website. I met him.
780 00:30:54,089 00:30:56,073 He told me he was thinking about going to architecture school. He told me he was thinking about going to architecture school.
781 00:30:56,141 00:30:58,543 - Guess he's raising tuition money. - Guess he's raising tuition money.
782 00:30:58,610 00:30:59,877 - Yeah, well, there were two calls - Yeah, well, there were two calls
783 00:30:59,928 00:31:01,295 Made after this one. Made after this one.
784 00:31:01,380 00:31:02,480 Fanning kept asking for money, Fanning kept asking for money,
785 00:31:02,548 00:31:03,948 Dipalma kept saying there wasn't any, Dipalma kept saying there wasn't any,
786 00:31:04,016 00:31:05,249 Fanning kept calling him a liar. Fanning kept calling him a liar.
787 00:31:05,317 00:31:07,318 [cell phone rings] [cell phone rings]
788 00:31:07,386 00:31:11,088 Hello? Hello?
789 00:31:11,139 00:31:14,058 We'll be right over. Thanks. We'll be right over. Thanks.
790 00:31:14,109 00:31:15,610 It was lieutenant van buren. It was lieutenant van buren.
791 00:31:15,694 00:31:19,363 The police just found megan kerik's missing laptop. The police just found megan kerik's missing laptop.
792 00:31:22,301 00:31:24,902 - It was dropped off in the lobby of megan's building - It was dropped off in the lobby of megan's building
793 00:31:24,953 00:31:27,572 With a note saying that it had been found abandoned With a note saying that it had been found abandoned
794 00:31:27,623 00:31:29,290 In a coffee shop. In a coffee shop.
795 00:31:29,374 00:31:32,076 Megan's address was on a sticker on the bottom. Megan's address was on a sticker on the bottom.
796 00:31:32,127 00:31:34,495 - Well, that was very nice of some good samaritan. - Well, that was very nice of some good samaritan.
797 00:31:34,580 00:31:36,497 - Oh, you have no idea. - Oh, you have no idea.
798 00:31:36,582 00:31:39,467 Wait until you see the video we found on it. Wait until you see the video we found on it.
799 00:31:39,551 00:31:42,086 Play it. Play it.
800 00:31:42,137 00:31:44,255 [whimpering and struggling] [whimpering and struggling]
801 00:31:44,306 00:31:47,625 - A video of dipalma murdering megan kerik? - A video of dipalma murdering megan kerik?
802 00:31:47,693 00:31:50,261 - Or having rough sex. - Or having rough sex.
803 00:31:50,312 00:31:52,847 She didn't die. Not on camera. She didn't die. Not on camera.
804 00:31:52,931 00:31:56,334 [coughing and choking] [coughing and choking]
805 00:31:56,401 00:31:58,769 - Is there a date on that? - Is there a date on that?
806 00:31:58,820 00:32:00,137 - The day of the murder. - The day of the murder.
807 00:32:00,188 00:32:02,406 But it's not hard to fudge the time stamp But it's not hard to fudge the time stamp
808 00:32:02,474 00:32:04,975 If you know what you're doing. If you know what you're doing.
809 00:32:05,027 00:32:06,310 - This good samaritan, - This good samaritan,
810 00:32:06,378 00:32:07,778 Do we know who it was? Do we know who it was?
811 00:32:07,829 00:32:10,197 - The note was unsigned, and no prints. - The note was unsigned, and no prints.
812 00:32:10,282 00:32:12,083 - If we arrest dipalma for murder based on this, - If we arrest dipalma for murder based on this,
813 00:32:12,150 00:32:13,817 There's a provenance issue. There's a provenance issue.
814 00:32:13,869 00:32:15,586 - Well, that's the least of it. - Well, that's the least of it.
815 00:32:15,654 00:32:17,955 You see his right hand? You see his right hand?
816 00:32:18,006 00:32:19,290 That ring would leave marks. That ring would leave marks.
817 00:32:19,341 00:32:20,625 The m.E. Didn't find The m.E. Didn't find
818 00:32:20,676 00:32:23,194 Any matching marks on the victim's neck. Any matching marks on the victim's neck.
819 00:32:23,262 00:32:24,362 - Well, she was still alive. - Well, she was still alive.
820 00:32:24,429 00:32:25,996 He took the ring off before he killed her. He took the ring off before he killed her.
821 00:32:26,048 00:32:29,133 - If he's the one who did. - If he's the one who did.
822 00:32:29,184 00:32:31,502 - There's a reflection in the alarm clock. - There's a reflection in the alarm clock.
823 00:32:31,553 00:32:36,340 [coughing and choking] [coughing and choking]
824 00:32:36,391 00:32:39,510 - Someone else was in the room. - Someone else was in the room.
825 00:32:39,561 00:32:42,680 - Okay, so on its face, this is evidence - Okay, so on its face, this is evidence
826 00:32:42,748 00:32:44,649 That dipalma is a murderer, That dipalma is a murderer,
827 00:32:44,700 00:32:47,702 But it miraculously shows up right after But it miraculously shows up right after
828 00:32:47,786 00:32:50,688 Dipalma's accomplice demands $250,000 Dipalma's accomplice demands $250,000
829 00:32:50,739 00:32:53,658 And dipalma tells him he can't pay. And dipalma tells him he can't pay.
830 00:32:53,709 00:32:57,662 - The blackmailer was being blackmailed. - The blackmailer was being blackmailed.
831 00:32:57,746 00:33:02,833 [coughing and choking] [coughing and choking]
832 00:33:02,884 00:33:04,101 - So what's new? - So what's new?
833 00:33:04,169 00:33:05,269 It's no secret my client was dating her. It's no secret my client was dating her.
834 00:33:05,337 00:33:07,004 - Dating? - Dating?
835 00:33:07,072 00:33:09,039 That's what you call it? That's what you call it?
836 00:33:09,091 00:33:11,409 - If you thought that made my client a murderer, - If you thought that made my client a murderer,
837 00:33:11,476 00:33:12,777 Then he'd already be under arrest. Then he'd already be under arrest.
838 00:33:12,844 00:33:14,779 - Well, we haven't given up the thought. - Well, we haven't given up the thought.
839 00:33:14,846 00:33:17,515 I hope you brought your toothbrush. I hope you brought your toothbrush.
840 00:33:17,566 00:33:18,783 - Something's wrong with this video, - Something's wrong with this video,
841 00:33:18,850 00:33:20,418 And you know it, or we wouldn't be here. And you know it, or we wouldn't be here.
842 00:33:20,485 00:33:22,019 - Well, we'd like to hear what - Well, we'd like to hear what
843 00:33:22,070 00:33:23,454 Mr. Dipalma has to say about it, Mr. Dipalma has to say about it,
844 00:33:23,522 00:33:25,723 About everything, About everything,
845 00:33:25,791 00:33:28,326 Or this becomes people's exhibit number one Or this becomes people's exhibit number one
846 00:33:28,393 00:33:30,695 At his murder trial, and we can discuss At his murder trial, and we can discuss
847 00:33:30,762 00:33:36,033 What's wrong or right about it there. What's wrong or right about it there.
848 00:33:36,101 00:33:37,952 - He made me do it. - He made me do it.
849 00:33:38,036 00:33:39,470 - Who made you do what? - Who made you do what?
850 00:33:39,538 00:33:41,973 - Derek fanning. - Derek fanning.
851 00:33:42,040 00:33:43,624 He showed up while I was with megan. He showed up while I was with megan.
852 00:33:43,709 00:33:45,843 With a gun. With a gun.
853 00:33:45,910 00:33:47,011 - Where was he standing? - Where was he standing?
854 00:33:47,079 00:33:48,929 - On the side of the bed. - On the side of the bed.
855 00:33:52,084 00:33:53,134 - You knew someone was there. - You knew someone was there.
856 00:33:53,218 00:33:54,969 You knew this video was fishy. You knew this video was fishy.
857 00:33:55,053 00:33:57,304 - What exactly did mr. Fanning make you do? - What exactly did mr. Fanning make you do?
858 00:33:57,389 00:34:00,307 - [chuckles] - [chuckles]
859 00:34:00,392 00:34:02,276 Pretend to strangle megan. Pretend to strangle megan.
860 00:34:02,361 00:34:03,961 He--he said he would shoot me. He was crazy. He--he said he would shoot me. He was crazy.
861 00:34:04,029 00:34:05,563 - Why would he do that? - Why would he do that?
862 00:34:05,630 00:34:09,066 - [sighs] - [sighs]
863 00:34:09,117 00:34:13,270 When megan came to me about vanessa carville, When megan came to me about vanessa carville,
864 00:34:13,321 00:34:14,905 I thought it was a great story. I thought it was a great story.
865 00:34:14,973 00:34:17,124 I asked derek to help with the research. I asked derek to help with the research.
866 00:34:17,209 00:34:19,326 - And he broke into sara bradley's apartment - And he broke into sara bradley's apartment
867 00:34:19,411 00:34:20,678 When she wouldn't cooperate. When she wouldn't cooperate.
868 00:34:20,746 00:34:23,381 - He said we shouldn't publish the story, - He said we shouldn't publish the story,
869 00:34:23,448 00:34:25,132 That we could make a lot of money. That we could make a lot of money.
870 00:34:25,217 00:34:26,617 And I went along. And I went along.
871 00:34:26,668 00:34:28,085 I dropped the stuff at carville's door. I dropped the stuff at carville's door.
872 00:34:28,153 00:34:30,688 That night, megan figured out what we were doing. That night, megan figured out what we were doing.
873 00:34:30,756 00:34:32,256 She said she'd call carville. She said she'd call carville.
874 00:34:32,307 00:34:36,193 She said she'd call the police, so... She said she'd call the police, so...
875 00:34:36,261 00:34:37,595 Derek made me do that. Derek made me do that.
876 00:34:42,434 00:34:45,019 When I left, megan was alive. When I left, megan was alive.
877 00:34:45,103 00:34:46,604 Derek called me later Derek called me later
878 00:34:46,671 00:34:48,472 And said that he'd "taken care" of her And said that he'd "taken care" of her
879 00:34:48,540 00:34:50,140 And that it was safe And that it was safe
880 00:34:50,192 00:34:52,009 To go through with the blackmail now. To go through with the blackmail now.
881 00:34:52,077 00:34:54,195 I--I freaked. I--I freaked.
882 00:34:54,279 00:34:55,696 I didn't call carville like I was supposed to. I didn't call carville like I was supposed to.
883 00:34:55,781 00:34:57,698 Derek said that if I didn't get back into it, Derek said that if I didn't get back into it,
884 00:34:57,783 00:34:59,984 He would send that video to the police. He would send that video to the police.
885 00:35:00,052 00:35:03,554 So... So...
886 00:35:03,622 00:35:06,791 I did what he said. I did what he said.
887 00:35:06,858 00:35:09,460 - I think that's the craziest story I've ever heard. - I think that's the craziest story I've ever heard.
888 00:35:09,528 00:35:12,530 - So it's gotta be true, right? - So it's gotta be true, right?
889 00:35:19,204 00:35:21,972 - Case 35924, people v. Derek fanning, - Case 35924, people v. Derek fanning,
890 00:35:22,023 00:35:23,140 Murder in the second degree. Murder in the second degree.
891 00:35:23,191 00:35:25,192 - How do you plead? - Not guilty. - How do you plead? - Not guilty.
892 00:35:25,277 00:35:28,345 - This is related to that blackmail case, ms. Rubirosa? - This is related to that blackmail case, ms. Rubirosa?
893 00:35:28,396 00:35:29,847 - Yes, the defendant's accused of murdering - Yes, the defendant's accused of murdering
894 00:35:29,898 00:35:31,615 The source of the blackmail information The source of the blackmail information
895 00:35:31,683 00:35:33,367 When she threatened to call the police. When she threatened to call the police.
896 00:35:33,452 00:35:34,568 - The people's main witness - The people's main witness
897 00:35:34,653 00:35:36,737 Is the former blackmail defendant. Is the former blackmail defendant.
898 00:35:36,822 00:35:38,072 He's hardly credible. He's hardly credible.
899 00:35:38,156 00:35:39,189 - We believe he is. - We believe he is.
900 00:35:39,241 00:35:40,524 He was as shocked as anyone He was as shocked as anyone
901 00:35:40,575 00:35:43,043 By the brutal and cold-blooded nature of this murder. By the brutal and cold-blooded nature of this murder.
902 00:35:43,128 00:35:45,529 - His credibility's an issue for a jury, - His credibility's an issue for a jury,
903 00:35:45,580 00:35:47,298 Not a hearing on bail, Not a hearing on bail,
904 00:35:47,365 00:35:51,635 Which I'll set at $3 million. Which I'll set at $3 million.
905 00:35:51,703 00:35:53,003 Why break precedent? Why break precedent?
906 00:35:53,054 00:35:56,173 [bangs gavel] [bangs gavel]
907 00:35:56,224 00:35:59,376 - Our analysis of that video will lend us some support. - Our analysis of that video will lend us some support.
908 00:35:59,427 00:36:01,846 - We also found derek fanning's gun and fingerprints - We also found derek fanning's gun and fingerprints
909 00:36:01,913 00:36:05,483 On sara bradley's hard drive and in megan's apartment. On sara bradley's hard drive and in megan's apartment.
910 00:36:05,550 00:36:08,552 - But the jury's still gonna be skeptical about you. - But the jury's still gonna be skeptical about you.
911 00:36:08,603 00:36:10,121 We'll have to work to convince them We'll have to work to convince them
912 00:36:10,188 00:36:11,388 To trust your testimony. To trust your testimony.
913 00:36:11,439 00:36:12,556 - Or we could save you the effort. - Or we could save you the effort.
914 00:36:12,607 00:36:16,293 Mr. Dipalma's decided not to appear. Mr. Dipalma's decided not to appear.
915 00:36:16,361 00:36:17,578 - Excuse me? - Excuse me?
916 00:36:17,662 00:36:19,597 - He's decided it's not in his best interest - He's decided it's not in his best interest
917 00:36:19,664 00:36:20,915 To testify. To testify.
918 00:36:20,999 00:36:23,667 - Well, we can still prosecute him - Well, we can still prosecute him
919 00:36:23,735 00:36:25,669 For the murder instead. For the murder instead.
920 00:36:25,737 00:36:27,805 - I think that ship has sailed. - I think that ship has sailed.
921 00:36:27,873 00:36:29,757 Ms. Rubirosa already told a judge Ms. Rubirosa already told a judge
922 00:36:29,841 00:36:31,425 That mr. Fanning is the killer. That mr. Fanning is the killer.
923 00:36:31,510 00:36:33,811 It would be pretty easy to raise reasonable doubt It would be pretty easy to raise reasonable doubt
924 00:36:33,879 00:36:37,381 If you try mr. Dipalma. If you try mr. Dipalma.
925 00:36:37,432 00:36:38,849 - So what is it, huh? - So what is it, huh?
926 00:36:38,917 00:36:41,251 You afraid that fanning'll be acquitted and come after you? You afraid that fanning'll be acquitted and come after you?
927 00:36:41,303 00:36:43,220 Is he holding something else over your head? Is he holding something else over your head?
928 00:36:43,271 00:36:46,924 - I just don't think that publicly swearing - I just don't think that publicly swearing
929 00:36:46,975 00:36:48,442 I was involved in blackmail and murder I was involved in blackmail and murder
930 00:36:48,527 00:36:50,477 Is the best possible career move. Is the best possible career move.
931 00:36:50,562 00:36:52,146 Plus, I could get sued. Plus, I could get sued.
932 00:36:52,230 00:36:54,815 The feds could come after me. The feds could come after me.
933 00:36:54,900 00:36:57,651 I don't see any upside. I don't see any upside.
934 00:36:57,736 00:37:01,104 - We can give you immunity and then subpoena you. - We can give you immunity and then subpoena you.
935 00:37:01,156 00:37:02,706 If you choose not to testify, If you choose not to testify,
936 00:37:02,774 00:37:05,209 We can charge you with contempt. We can charge you with contempt.
937 00:37:05,276 00:37:07,011 - Contempt I can handle. - Contempt I can handle.
938 00:37:07,078 00:37:10,748 - Well, don't worry. You already have ours. - Well, don't worry. You already have ours.
939 00:37:15,687 00:37:19,089 - So blackmail and a brutal murder, - So blackmail and a brutal murder,
940 00:37:19,140 00:37:21,642 And everybody walks. And everybody walks.
941 00:37:21,726 00:37:23,561 Maybe we should go into another line of work, Maybe we should go into another line of work,
942 00:37:23,628 00:37:25,062 Dry cleaning. Dry cleaning.
943 00:37:25,129 00:37:27,181 - Or we could charge them together for both crimes. - Or we could charge them together for both crimes.
944 00:37:27,265 00:37:29,466 - And they'll both stay silent and you'll be pushing - And they'll both stay silent and you'll be pushing
945 00:37:29,517 00:37:31,068 Two rocks up two hills. Two rocks up two hills.
946 00:37:31,135 00:37:33,654 What about your blackmail victim? What about your blackmail victim?
947 00:37:33,738 00:37:36,240 She's still on the sidelines? She's still on the sidelines?
948 00:37:36,307 00:37:37,408 - Resolutely. - Resolutely.
949 00:37:37,475 00:37:39,443 There's something in those personnel files There's something in those personnel files
950 00:37:39,494 00:37:42,580 She doesn't want the world or her husband to see. She doesn't want the world or her husband to see.
951 00:37:42,647 00:37:46,667 This blackmail thing, it really works. This blackmail thing, it really works.
952 00:37:46,751 00:37:50,654 - Maybe we should try it. - Maybe we should try it.
953 00:37:52,156 00:37:54,925 - Jack, I'm sorry it had to be this way. - Jack, I'm sorry it had to be this way.
954 00:37:54,993 00:37:57,261 I know you went the extra mile on my behalf. I know you went the extra mile on my behalf.
955 00:37:57,328 00:37:58,796 I just couldn't let it go to trial. I just couldn't let it go to trial.
956 00:37:58,847 00:38:00,047 - I know, vanessa. - I know, vanessa.
957 00:38:00,131 00:38:03,834 That's what I wanted to talk to you about. That's what I wanted to talk to you about.
958 00:38:03,885 00:38:06,220 - Well, this is a surprise. - Well, this is a surprise.
959 00:38:06,304 00:38:07,771 What is this, some kind of shock therapy What is this, some kind of shock therapy
960 00:38:07,839 00:38:09,106 To make me change my mind? To make me change my mind?
961 00:38:09,173 00:38:10,841 - We'd like you to remember how you felt - We'd like you to remember how you felt
962 00:38:10,892 00:38:13,310 When you got that package, when you saw him When you got that package, when you saw him
963 00:38:13,361 00:38:16,814 In the park demanding $3 million. In the park demanding $3 million.
964 00:38:16,865 00:38:18,682 - What are we doing here, playing a memory game? - What are we doing here, playing a memory game?
965 00:38:18,733 00:38:20,150 - I remember. - I remember.
966 00:38:20,201 00:38:21,652 It was awful. It was awful.
967 00:38:21,703 00:38:23,370 But I can't let innocent friends get hurt But I can't let innocent friends get hurt
968 00:38:23,455 00:38:26,740 By him and him in some public spectacle. By him and him in some public spectacle.
969 00:38:26,825 00:38:28,926 - I understand, vanessa, so I'm sorry. - I understand, vanessa, so I'm sorry.
970 00:38:28,994 00:38:30,694 - About what? - About what?
971 00:38:30,762 00:38:32,696 - We're charging you with criminal sale - We're charging you with criminal sale
972 00:38:32,764 00:38:34,531 Of a controlled substance in the fifth degree. Of a controlled substance in the fifth degree.
973 00:38:34,599 00:38:36,083 It's a class "d" felony. It's a class "d" felony.
974 00:38:36,167 00:38:37,334 - What? - What?
975 00:38:37,385 00:38:38,869 - From megan kerik's diary. - From megan kerik's diary.
976 00:38:38,937 00:38:40,804 "I was nervous at first, "I was nervous at first,
977 00:38:40,872 00:38:42,389 "but we split one of her vicodins "but we split one of her vicodins
978 00:38:42,474 00:38:45,042 And a bottle of wine and then...Bliss." And a bottle of wine and then...Bliss."
979 00:38:45,093 00:38:46,894 - Half a vicodin. - Half a vicodin.
980 00:38:46,978 00:38:48,595 I gave it to her. I didn't sell it. I gave it to her. I didn't sell it.
981 00:38:48,680 00:38:50,431 - Doesn't matter. - Doesn't matter.
982 00:38:50,515 00:38:54,451 Legally, to sell means to sell, exchange, or to give. Legally, to sell means to sell, exchange, or to give.
983 00:38:54,519 00:38:57,187 The law still applies and so does the penalty. The law still applies and so does the penalty.
984 00:38:57,238 00:38:58,522 - You can't possibly be serious. - You can't possibly be serious.
985 00:38:58,573 00:39:01,391 - I'm sure the charge won't do you much good - I'm sure the charge won't do you much good
986 00:39:01,443 00:39:03,243 In a divorce... In a divorce...
987 00:39:03,328 00:39:05,729 Or a fight over child custody. Or a fight over child custody.
988 00:39:07,666 00:39:11,234 - You sons of bitches. - You sons of bitches.
989 00:39:11,286 00:39:14,404 You're no better than he is. You're no better than he is.
990 00:39:14,456 00:39:17,741 - So... You'll testify? - So... You'll testify?
991 00:39:21,129 00:39:23,630 - Sure. I can't wait. - Sure. I can't wait.
992 00:39:24,933 00:39:27,601 - Wait a minute. Can she still do that? - Wait a minute. Can she still do that?
993 00:39:27,686 00:39:29,853 - Yes, the case hasn't been dismissed, - Yes, the case hasn't been dismissed,
994 00:39:29,921 00:39:31,588 But I don't think she ever will. But I don't think she ever will.
995 00:39:31,639 00:39:33,390 That's not the plan, is it? That's not the plan, is it?
996 00:39:33,441 00:39:35,359 - Well, now that we have - Well, now that we have
997 00:39:35,426 00:39:37,394 Ms. Carville's cooperation, Ms. Carville's cooperation,
998 00:39:37,445 00:39:38,979 Mr. Dipalma is looking at Mr. Dipalma is looking at
999 00:39:39,064 00:39:40,731 Ten years in prison for blackmail. Ten years in prison for blackmail.
1000 00:39:40,782 00:39:42,966 - But if he changes his mind - But if he changes his mind
1001 00:39:43,034 00:39:45,102 About testifying against mr. Fanning, About testifying against mr. Fanning,
1002 00:39:45,170 00:39:46,270 You might let that slide. You might let that slide.
1003 00:39:46,338 00:39:49,039 - Oh, we could probably work something out. - Oh, we could probably work something out.
1004 00:39:49,107 00:39:51,875 He nails fanning for the murder, He nails fanning for the murder,
1005 00:39:51,943 00:39:55,379 Then takes a plea, does two years. Then takes a plea, does two years.
1006 00:39:55,446 00:39:57,548 - You screwed with me to screw with him. - You screwed with me to screw with him.
1007 00:39:57,615 00:40:00,134 - Bank shot. - Bank shot.
1008 00:40:00,218 00:40:03,637 - You're still a son of a bitch. - You're still a son of a bitch.
1009 00:40:09,260 00:40:13,514 - We have a deal? - We have a deal?
1010 00:40:16,468 00:40:20,604 - Deal. - Deal.
1011 00:40:20,672 00:40:21,972 - A blackmail daisy chain. - A blackmail daisy chain.
1012 00:40:22,023 00:40:23,607 They definitely didn't teach that in law school. They definitely didn't teach that in law school.
1013 00:40:23,658 00:40:26,009 - Turnabout. It was only fair. - Turnabout. It was only fair.
1014 00:40:26,077 00:40:27,194 - So that's the new game plan. - So that's the new game plan.
1015 00:40:27,278 00:40:28,829 We do what they do. We do what they do.
1016 00:40:28,913 00:40:31,782 Next time we try a murderer, we'll kill somebody. Next time we try a murderer, we'll kill somebody.
1017 00:40:31,833 00:40:33,083 - I don't know. - I don't know.
1018 00:40:33,151 00:40:34,701 We'll have to ask the boss. We'll have to ask the boss.
1019 00:40:34,786 00:40:37,538 Sync: Adriano_CSI for Addict7ed Sync: Adriano_CSI for Addict7ed