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1 | 00:00:05,239 | 00:00:07,373 | In the criminal justice system, | In the criminal justice system, |
2 | 00:00:07,410 | 00:00:11,210 | The people are represented by two separate Yet equally important groups | The people are represented by two separate Yet equally important groups |
3 | 00:00:11,211 | 00:00:12,911 | The police who investigate crime | The police who investigate crime |
4 | 00:00:12,912 | 00:00:15,412 | And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. | And the district attorneys who prosecute the offenders. |
5 | 00:00:15,442 | 00:00:19,542 | These are their stories.. | These are their stories.. |
6 | 00:00:18,218 | 00:00:20,420 | - All right, a little bit more. | - All right, a little bit more. |
7 | 00:00:20,487 | 00:00:23,356 | Come on, Allie, come on. You can do better than that. | Come on, Allie, come on. You can do better than that. |
8 | 00:00:23,424 | 00:00:24,958 | Let yourself go. | Let yourself go. |
9 | 00:00:25,025 | 00:00:26,893 | Nice. Oh, my god. | Nice. Oh, my god. |
10 | 00:00:26,961 | 00:00:28,494 | Give me a pout. Come on. | Give me a pout. Come on. |
11 | 00:00:28,562 | 00:00:29,862 | Feel the clothes against your skin, baby. | Feel the clothes against your skin, baby. |
12 | 00:00:29,930 | 00:00:31,364 | There you go. That's it. | There you go. That's it. |
13 | 00:00:31,432 | 00:00:33,900 | Think nasty thoughts. I love it. It's beautiful. | Think nasty thoughts. I love it. It's beautiful. |
14 | 00:00:35,936 | 00:00:38,371 | Hey. Hey! | Hey. Hey! |
15 | 00:00:38,439 | 00:00:39,906 | We're trying to sell clothes here, man. | We're trying to sell clothes here, man. |
16 | 00:00:39,974 | 00:00:41,841 | These are for billboards. You gotta think big. | These are for billboards. You gotta think big. |
17 | 00:00:41,909 | 00:00:43,643 | - I got it, Sid. I got it. | - I got it, Sid. I got it. |
18 | 00:00:43,711 | 00:00:44,644 | [laughter] | [laughter] |
19 | 00:00:44,712 | 00:00:47,146 | - Who are they? - I don't know. | - Who are they? - I don't know. |
20 | 00:00:47,214 | 00:00:50,316 | - If I'm not paying you to be here, get the hell out. | - If I'm not paying you to be here, get the hell out. |
21 | 00:00:50,384 | 00:00:51,484 | [laughter] | [laughter] |
22 | 00:00:51,552 | 00:00:53,019 | Am I paying you? | Am I paying you? |
23 | 00:00:53,087 | 00:00:54,721 | - I'm the dj. | - I'm the dj. |
24 | 00:00:54,788 | 00:00:56,456 | I spin records at one of your stores. | I spin records at one of your stores. |
25 | 00:00:56,523 | 00:00:58,391 | - Oh, so you put this song on? | - Oh, so you put this song on? |
26 | 00:00:58,459 | 00:00:59,726 | You're fired! | You're fired! |
27 | 00:00:59,793 | 00:01:02,695 | You know what? In fact, everybody, get out! | You know what? In fact, everybody, get out! |
28 | 00:01:02,763 | 00:01:05,565 | Everybody, let's go! Come on, out! Okay? | Everybody, let's go! Come on, out! Okay? |
29 | 00:01:05,632 | 00:01:07,367 | Not you, baby. Everybody else. | Not you, baby. Everybody else. |
30 | 00:01:07,434 | 00:01:09,035 | I'll finish the shoot myself. Thank you. | I'll finish the shoot myself. Thank you. |
31 | 00:01:09,103 | 00:01:11,371 | Out! | Out! |
32 | 00:01:11,438 | 00:01:13,940 | Come on, baby. That's it. Okay. | Come on, baby. That's it. Okay. |
33 | 00:01:14,008 | 00:01:17,910 | Oh, my god! I love it! | Oh, my god! I love it! |
34 | 00:01:17,978 | 00:01:20,680 | Oh, yeah, that's it. | Oh, yeah, that's it. |
35 | 00:01:20,748 | 00:01:22,882 | - D.O.A.'s name is Sid Maxwell. | - D.O.A.'s name is Sid Maxwell. |
36 | 00:01:22,950 | 00:01:24,450 | The neighbor came home at 3:00 a.M. | The neighbor came home at 3:00 a.M. |
37 | 00:01:24,518 | 00:01:26,386 | And saw the door propped open. | And saw the door propped open. |
38 | 00:01:26,453 | 00:01:30,590 | Almost had a heart attack when he saw the body. | Almost had a heart attack when he saw the body. |
39 | 00:01:30,657 | 00:01:33,226 | - What do we got, a sex mishap? | - What do we got, a sex mishap? |
40 | 00:01:33,293 | 00:01:35,128 | - If it was erotic asphyxia, he miscalculated. | - If it was erotic asphyxia, he miscalculated. |
41 | 00:01:35,195 | 00:01:38,631 | No fluids. He lost consciousness too soon. | No fluids. He lost consciousness too soon. |
42 | 00:01:38,699 | 00:01:41,567 | - The guy could've saved himself just by standing up. | - The guy could've saved himself just by standing up. |
43 | 00:01:41,635 | 00:01:43,469 | - Pushing the limits is part of the thrill. | - Pushing the limits is part of the thrill. |
44 | 00:01:43,537 | 00:01:45,071 | But if you take it a little too far... | But if you take it a little too far... |
45 | 00:01:45,139 | 00:01:47,140 | - No happy ending. | - No happy ending. |
46 | 00:01:47,207 | 00:01:51,277 | These look like tights. Double-knotted. | These look like tights. Double-knotted. |
47 | 00:01:51,345 | 00:01:52,912 | He's supposed to have done this himself? | He's supposed to have done this himself? |
48 | 00:01:52,980 | 00:01:54,480 | - He could've tied his hands in front, | - He could've tied his hands in front, |
49 | 00:01:54,548 | 00:01:57,483 | Then stepped over them, like this. | Then stepped over them, like this. |
50 | 00:01:57,551 | 00:01:59,786 | I'm just speculating. It's not from experience. | I'm just speculating. It's not from experience. |
51 | 00:01:59,853 | 00:02:01,888 | - Good. | - Good. |
52 | 00:02:01,955 | 00:02:05,425 | There was a photo shoot going on? | There was a photo shoot going on? |
53 | 00:02:05,492 | 00:02:08,995 | - [exhales] tripod, no camera. | - [exhales] tripod, no camera. |
54 | 00:02:09,063 | 00:02:11,364 | Here's the photographer's name. | Here's the photographer's name. |
55 | 00:02:11,432 | 00:02:12,732 | - Yeah. | - Yeah. |
56 | 00:02:12,800 | 00:02:14,734 | Looks like he missed the best shot. | Looks like he missed the best shot. |
57 | 00:03:12,479 | 00:03:13,879 | - I gotta get going. | - I gotta get going. |
58 | 00:03:13,947 | 00:03:16,248 | We just caught a fresh one. | We just caught a fresh one. |
59 | 00:03:16,316 | 00:03:18,684 | - I'll alert the criminals you're on your way. | - I'll alert the criminals you're on your way. |
60 | 00:03:18,752 | 00:03:20,486 | - May be no criminals involved. | - May be no criminals involved. |
61 | 00:03:20,554 | 00:03:22,988 | Just solo sex gone horribly wrong. | Just solo sex gone horribly wrong. |
62 | 00:03:23,056 | 00:03:24,523 | - Solo sex? | - Solo sex? |
63 | 00:03:24,591 | 00:03:26,459 | That has to be wrong. | That has to be wrong. |
64 | 00:03:26,526 | 00:03:29,495 | - Well, here we go. | - Well, here we go. |
65 | 00:03:29,563 | 00:03:32,431 | First day of the new me. | First day of the new me. |
66 | 00:03:48,515 | 00:03:52,118 | What do you think? | What do you think? |
67 | 00:03:52,185 | 00:03:54,854 | - I always had a thing for Grace Jones. | - I always had a thing for Grace Jones. |
68 | 00:03:58,191 | 00:04:00,493 | You're beautiful. | You're beautiful. |
69 | 00:04:09,903 | 00:04:13,372 | - Sid seemed fine yesterday. | - Sid seemed fine yesterday. |
70 | 00:04:13,440 | 00:04:15,841 | Manic. Total prick, like always. | Manic. Total prick, like always. |
71 | 00:04:15,909 | 00:04:17,843 | You can be that way if you're rich, I guess. | You can be that way if you're rich, I guess. |
72 | 00:04:17,911 | 00:04:19,545 | - How did he get rich? | - How did he get rich? |
73 | 00:04:19,613 | 00:04:21,547 | - By starting skintight apparel. | - By starting skintight apparel. |
74 | 00:04:21,615 | 00:04:24,283 | He was the sexy underwear king of the lower east side. | He was the sexy underwear king of the lower east side. |
75 | 00:04:24,351 | 00:04:26,852 | He threw everybody out around 6:00, including me. | He threw everybody out around 6:00, including me. |
76 | 00:04:26,920 | 00:04:28,854 | - He threw the photographer out of a photo shoot? | - He threw the photographer out of a photo shoot? |
77 | 00:04:28,922 | 00:04:30,956 | - Sid liked to do things himself. | - Sid liked to do things himself. |
78 | 00:04:31,024 | 00:04:32,491 | - Yeah. So we gather. | - Yeah. So we gather. |
79 | 00:04:32,559 | 00:04:34,026 | - The girl stayed behind, though. | - The girl stayed behind, though. |
80 | 00:04:34,094 | 00:04:35,327 | - The model? | - The model? |
81 | 00:04:35,395 | 00:04:38,764 | - Model, hooker, girlfriend, employee of the month. | - Model, hooker, girlfriend, employee of the month. |
82 | 00:04:38,832 | 00:04:41,000 | It was kind of a fluid position. | It was kind of a fluid position. |
83 | 00:04:41,067 | 00:04:43,435 | - Uh-huh. | - Uh-huh. |
84 | 00:04:43,503 | 00:04:46,172 | - Sid and I met when I was working three jobs | - Sid and I met when I was working three jobs |
85 | 00:04:46,239 | 00:04:48,507 | And sharing a loft with six roommates. | And sharing a loft with six roommates. |
86 | 00:04:48,575 | 00:04:50,009 | He hired me on the spot. | He hired me on the spot. |
87 | 00:04:50,076 | 00:04:51,777 | - Hired you to do what, exactly? | - Hired you to do what, exactly? |
88 | 00:04:51,845 | 00:04:53,279 | Hold up. | Hold up. |
89 | 00:04:53,346 | 00:04:55,114 | - Anything Sid wanted. | - Anything Sid wanted. |
90 | 00:04:55,182 | 00:04:56,549 | Working in the store, modeling. | Working in the store, modeling. |
91 | 00:04:56,616 | 00:04:59,985 | - Spotting for him during s & m sessions? | - Spotting for him during s & m sessions? |
92 | 00:05:00,053 | 00:05:01,720 | - Sid said he wanted to try something new. | - Sid said he wanted to try something new. |
93 | 00:05:01,788 | 00:05:02,922 | I didn't want to seem like a prude. | I didn't want to seem like a prude. |
94 | 00:05:02,989 | 00:05:04,390 | He just wanted me to watch. | He just wanted me to watch. |
95 | 00:05:04,457 | 00:05:06,625 | - So did you? | - So did you? |
96 | 00:05:06,693 | 00:05:08,160 | - I told him I had to go get cigarettes at the store. | - I told him I had to go get cigarettes at the store. |
97 | 00:05:08,228 | 00:05:10,396 | I was weirded out. I just went home. | I was weirded out. I just went home. |
98 | 00:05:10,463 | 00:05:11,564 | - So you just left him hanging there | - So you just left him hanging there |
99 | 00:05:11,631 | 00:05:12,598 | With his hands tied behind his back? | With his hands tied behind his back? |
100 | 00:05:12,666 | 00:05:13,866 | - No. | - No. |
101 | 00:05:13,934 | 00:05:18,437 | His hands were not tied when I left. | His hands were not tied when I left. |
102 | 00:05:18,505 | 00:05:20,673 | - Did any of his staff have complaints? | - Did any of his staff have complaints? |
103 | 00:05:20,740 | 00:05:23,075 | - Yeah, there was one girl. She got pretty freaked out. | - Yeah, there was one girl. She got pretty freaked out. |
104 | 00:05:23,143 | 00:05:25,144 | I think she sued him. | I think she sued him. |
105 | 00:05:27,214 | 00:05:29,148 | - That son of a bitch. | - That son of a bitch. |
106 | 00:05:29,216 | 00:05:31,050 | He pulled my top off at a photo shoot | He pulled my top off at a photo shoot |
107 | 00:05:31,117 | 00:05:32,852 | At the st. Patrick's day parade. | At the st. Patrick's day parade. |
108 | 00:05:32,919 | 00:05:35,354 | No warning. Just, "oops, you're naked." | No warning. Just, "oops, you're naked." |
109 | 00:05:35,422 | 00:05:37,957 | - And that was more than what you bargained for? | - And that was more than what you bargained for? |
110 | 00:05:38,024 | 00:05:41,727 | - My job description didn't say "get raped by leprechauns." | - My job description didn't say "get raped by leprechauns." |
111 | 00:05:41,795 | 00:05:43,729 | Sid's lawyers said I should have understood | Sid's lawyers said I should have understood |
112 | 00:05:43,797 | 00:05:46,832 | I was working in a highly-sexualized environment. | I was working in a highly-sexualized environment. |
113 | 00:05:46,900 | 00:05:48,267 | - Well, it sounds like you had a good case. | - Well, it sounds like you had a good case. |
114 | 00:05:48,335 | 00:05:49,602 | - We'll never know. | - We'll never know. |
115 | 00:05:49,669 | 00:05:52,271 | Sid's lawyers buried my guy in so many motions, | Sid's lawyers buried my guy in so many motions, |
116 | 00:05:52,339 | 00:05:54,506 | I couldn't afford to keep going. | I couldn't afford to keep going. |
117 | 00:05:54,574 | 00:05:57,209 | I lost. Sid won. | I lost. Sid won. |
118 | 00:05:57,277 | 00:05:59,812 | - When was the last time you saw Mr. Maxwell? | - When was the last time you saw Mr. Maxwell? |
119 | 00:05:59,880 | 00:06:01,380 | - I don't know. Six months. | - I don't know. Six months. |
120 | 00:06:01,448 | 00:06:02,615 | - No contact after that? | - No contact after that? |
121 | 00:06:02,682 | 00:06:04,650 | - I told myself the one good thing | - I told myself the one good thing |
122 | 00:06:04,718 | 00:06:06,552 | Was I'd never have to hear his voice again. | Was I'd never have to hear his voice again. |
123 | 00:06:06,620 | 00:06:09,255 | And I didn't. | And I didn't. |
124 | 00:06:09,322 | 00:06:12,291 | And now I never will. | And now I never will. |
125 | 00:06:12,359 | 00:06:16,495 | - Huh. This guy had a way with women. | - Huh. This guy had a way with women. |
126 | 00:06:16,563 | 00:06:18,130 | All sex all the time. | All sex all the time. |
127 | 00:06:18,198 | 00:06:20,733 | - His company sells five-Dollar t-shirts for $40. | - His company sells five-Dollar t-shirts for $40. |
128 | 00:06:20,800 | 00:06:22,234 | Sex is part of the brand. | Sex is part of the brand. |
129 | 00:06:22,302 | 00:06:25,337 | - And his model-slash- girlfriend-slash-whatever | - And his model-slash- girlfriend-slash-whatever |
130 | 00:06:25,405 | 00:06:26,538 | Was fine with that? | Was fine with that? |
131 | 00:06:26,606 | 00:06:27,973 | - According to her. | - According to her. |
132 | 00:06:28,041 | 00:06:29,308 | - The building's surveillance camera | - The building's surveillance camera |
133 | 00:06:29,376 | 00:06:32,144 | Shows her leaving Maxwell's place at 10:00. | Shows her leaving Maxwell's place at 10:00. |
134 | 00:06:32,212 | 00:06:34,013 | Then it stopped working. | Then it stopped working. |
135 | 00:06:34,080 | 00:06:36,815 | - Well, that's a coincidence. | - Well, that's a coincidence. |
136 | 00:06:36,883 | 00:06:38,918 | - She left the apartment door ajar | - She left the apartment door ajar |
137 | 00:06:38,985 | 00:06:40,386 | So she could get back in. | So she could get back in. |
138 | 00:06:40,453 | 00:06:42,888 | The building door had a keypad lock. | The building door had a keypad lock. |
139 | 00:06:42,956 | 00:06:44,223 | Maxwell gave her the number, | Maxwell gave her the number, |
140 | 00:06:44,291 | 00:06:46,158 | But she took off for brooklyn instead. | But she took off for brooklyn instead. |
141 | 00:06:46,226 | 00:06:48,260 | - Where an atm saw her withdrawing cash at 10:30. | - Where an atm saw her withdrawing cash at 10:30. |
142 | 00:06:48,328 | 00:06:51,230 | Time of death was after midnight. | Time of death was after midnight. |
143 | 00:06:51,298 | 00:06:52,498 | - Sag paneer, loo? | - Sag paneer, loo? |
144 | 00:06:52,565 | 00:06:54,066 | - Oh, no thanks. | - Oh, no thanks. |
145 | 00:06:54,134 | 00:06:56,035 | Me and food aren't getting along that great. | Me and food aren't getting along that great. |
146 | 00:06:56,102 | 00:06:59,838 | - "you are a hideous pig." | - "you are a hideous pig." |
147 | 00:06:59,906 | 00:07:02,074 | Uh, it's, uh, "I heard your lawyer quit. | Uh, it's, uh, "I heard your lawyer quit. |
148 | 00:07:02,142 | 00:07:03,876 | Now how are you going to pay for the boob job you need?" | Now how are you going to pay for the boob job you need?" |
149 | 00:07:03,944 | 00:07:06,111 | It's a text message between Sid Maxwell and Bonnie Allman, | It's a text message between Sid Maxwell and Bonnie Allman, |
150 | 00:07:06,179 | 00:07:07,780 | The girl who sued him. | The girl who sued him. |
151 | 00:07:07,847 | 00:07:09,715 | - She said she hadn't heard from him in six months. | - She said she hadn't heard from him in six months. |
152 | 00:07:09,783 | 00:07:11,884 | - She said she hadn't heard his voice. | - She said she hadn't heard his voice. |
153 | 00:07:11,952 | 00:07:16,622 | Maxwell sent this to her last Monday. | Maxwell sent this to her last Monday. |
154 | 00:07:16,690 | 00:07:19,158 | Yeah. Tuesday, Maxwell filed a complaint. | Yeah. Tuesday, Maxwell filed a complaint. |
155 | 00:07:19,225 | 00:07:20,793 | His car was vandalized. | His car was vandalized. |
156 | 00:07:20,860 | 00:07:24,863 | - Bonnie Allman strikes back? | - Bonnie Allman strikes back? |
157 | 00:07:24,931 | 00:07:27,166 | - "text this, scumbag!" | - "text this, scumbag!" |
158 | 00:07:27,233 | 00:07:29,468 | - Yeah. "love, Bonnie"? | - Yeah. "love, Bonnie"? |
159 | 00:07:29,536 | 00:07:32,171 | - She saved the ten cents it would cost to reply by text, | - She saved the ten cents it would cost to reply by text, |
160 | 00:07:32,238 | 00:07:34,373 | And this was so much more satisfying. | And this was so much more satisfying. |
161 | 00:07:34,441 | 00:07:36,308 | - The car doesn't look like it's been driven | - The car doesn't look like it's been driven |
162 | 00:07:36,376 | 00:07:37,443 | Since the incident. | Since the incident. |
163 | 00:07:37,510 | 00:07:39,078 | The driver's window is smashed, | The driver's window is smashed, |
164 | 00:07:39,145 | 00:07:41,347 | With shards of glass embedded in the seat. | With shards of glass embedded in the seat. |
165 | 00:07:41,414 | 00:07:43,882 | Whoever did this used some force. | Whoever did this used some force. |
166 | 00:07:43,950 | 00:07:45,784 | - Yeah. Somebody cared. | - Yeah. Somebody cared. |
167 | 00:07:45,852 | 00:07:47,519 | - I've got some prints where the basher | - I've got some prints where the basher |
168 | 00:07:47,587 | 00:07:49,688 | May have leaned in to slash the upholstery. | May have leaned in to slash the upholstery. |
169 | 00:07:49,756 | 00:07:52,391 | I'll get them over to latents. | I'll get them over to latents. |
170 | 00:07:52,459 | 00:07:53,892 | - No match. | - No match. |
171 | 00:07:53,960 | 00:07:56,962 | The prints on the car don't belong to Bonnie Allman. | The prints on the car don't belong to Bonnie Allman. |
172 | 00:07:57,030 | 00:07:58,530 | - Do they match anyone we know? | - Do they match anyone we know? |
173 | 00:07:58,598 | 00:08:00,899 | - Got a dozen hits for a guy named Todd bissell. | - Got a dozen hits for a guy named Todd bissell. |
174 | 00:08:00,967 | 00:08:02,368 | He's a perp that was arrested | He's a perp that was arrested |
175 | 00:08:02,435 | 00:08:04,069 | For public lewdness 12 years ago. | For public lewdness 12 years ago. |
176 | 00:08:04,137 | 00:08:07,139 | - Okay. B-I--two ss? | - Okay. B-I--two ss? |
177 | 00:08:07,207 | 00:08:11,343 | - Yeah. - All right. | - Yeah. - All right. |
178 | 00:08:11,411 | 00:08:13,712 | Mr. Bissell. | Mr. Bissell. |
179 | 00:08:13,780 | 00:08:17,750 | Am I nuts, or is that Sid Maxwell with a moustache? | Am I nuts, or is that Sid Maxwell with a moustache? |
180 | 00:08:17,817 | 00:08:19,551 | - 12 years ago, lean and hungry. | - 12 years ago, lean and hungry. |
181 | 00:08:19,619 | 00:08:20,886 | He must have changed his name | He must have changed his name |
182 | 00:08:20,954 | 00:08:22,388 | When he became the underwear king. | When he became the underwear king. |
183 | 00:08:22,455 | 00:08:26,658 | - Okay. Let's see what else he was up to as Todd bissell. | - Okay. Let's see what else he was up to as Todd bissell. |
184 | 00:08:26,726 | 00:08:29,661 | - What's that? - "flashposse.Net. | - What's that? - "flashposse.Net. |
185 | 00:08:29,729 | 00:08:32,931 | A site dedicated to righting social wrongs." | A site dedicated to righting social wrongs." |
186 | 00:08:32,999 | 00:08:35,034 | - Is he typing on that with both hands? | - Is he typing on that with both hands? |
187 | 00:08:35,101 | 00:08:37,069 | - Yeah, and flashposse is mad. | - Yeah, and flashposse is mad. |
188 | 00:08:37,137 | 00:08:40,506 | "this idiot veered into my lane on the fdr today. | "this idiot veered into my lane on the fdr today. |
189 | 00:08:40,573 | 00:08:44,343 | He was texting while driving. I could have been killed." | He was texting while driving. I could have been killed." |
190 | 00:08:44,411 | 00:08:48,080 | Look at this one from Freddy-six in long island. | Look at this one from Freddy-six in long island. |
191 | 00:08:48,148 | 00:08:51,517 | "somebody needs to kill him before he does kill someone." | "somebody needs to kill him before he does kill someone." |
192 | 00:08:51,584 | 00:08:53,585 | - How'd they know who it was? | - How'd they know who it was? |
193 | 00:08:53,653 | 00:08:56,755 | - Hmm, "I identified the car and model | - Hmm, "I identified the car and model |
194 | 00:08:56,823 | 00:08:59,358 | "from its dashboard and then hacked into dmv records | "from its dashboard and then hacked into dmv records |
195 | 00:08:59,426 | 00:09:03,228 | "for every '79 Mercedes that color in New York, | "for every '79 Mercedes that color in New York, |
196 | 00:09:03,296 | 00:09:04,830 | "New Jersey and Connecticut. | "New Jersey and Connecticut. |
197 | 00:09:04,898 | 00:09:06,665 | "I found one that is registered | "I found one that is registered |
198 | 00:09:06,733 | 00:09:07,933 | To someone named Todd bissell." | To someone named Todd bissell." |
199 | 00:09:08,001 | 00:09:10,069 | - Mm-hmm. | - Mm-hmm. |
200 | 00:09:10,136 | 00:09:12,137 | - They posted his address. | - They posted his address. |
201 | 00:09:12,205 | 00:09:15,741 | "326 bowery, apartment 11a, | "326 bowery, apartment 11a, |
202 | 00:09:15,809 | 00:09:18,177 | "in case anybody wants to drop by | "in case anybody wants to drop by |
203 | 00:09:18,244 | 00:09:21,146 | And teach this jerk some manners." | And teach this jerk some manners." |
204 | 00:09:21,214 | 00:09:23,215 | - Somebody did. | - Somebody did. |
205 | 00:09:25,752 | 00:09:27,519 | - It's not a blog. | - It's not a blog. |
206 | 00:09:27,587 | 00:09:29,288 | It's a forum for corrective social action. | It's a forum for corrective social action. |
207 | 00:09:29,355 | 00:09:32,191 | - Yeah, well, it struck me like a well-chummed shark tank. | - Yeah, well, it struck me like a well-chummed shark tank. |
208 | 00:09:32,258 | 00:09:34,526 | - Look, if somebody lets their dog crap on the sidewalk, | - Look, if somebody lets their dog crap on the sidewalk, |
209 | 00:09:34,594 | 00:09:36,628 | That's an offense to everybody that walks by, right? | That's an offense to everybody that walks by, right? |
210 | 00:09:36,696 | 00:09:38,297 | This is just a way of striking back. | This is just a way of striking back. |
211 | 00:09:38,364 | 00:09:39,565 | - So you take a picture of the owner, | - So you take a picture of the owner, |
212 | 00:09:39,632 | 00:09:40,933 | Find out who they are, | Find out who they are, |
213 | 00:09:41,000 | 00:09:42,401 | Post their address and phone number. | Post their address and phone number. |
214 | 00:09:42,469 | 00:09:44,536 | - So people can tell them what they think. | - So people can tell them what they think. |
215 | 00:09:44,604 | 00:09:46,171 | If they shove dog crap in our faces, | If they shove dog crap in our faces, |
216 | 00:09:46,239 | 00:09:47,406 | They can take a phone call. | They can take a phone call. |
217 | 00:09:47,474 | 00:09:51,310 | - Hmm. How do you get this information? | - Hmm. How do you get this information? |
218 | 00:09:51,377 | 00:09:53,579 | - Flashposse.Net has thousands of visitors. | - Flashposse.Net has thousands of visitors. |
219 | 00:09:53,646 | 00:09:54,947 | Between us, we have a lot of expertise, | Between us, we have a lot of expertise, |
220 | 00:09:55,014 | 00:09:56,215 | A lot of connections. | A lot of connections. |
221 | 00:09:56,282 | 00:09:59,284 | - In China they call it a human flesh search engine. | - In China they call it a human flesh search engine. |
222 | 00:09:59,352 | 00:10:00,752 | - Yeah, there was a woman there, | - Yeah, there was a woman there, |
223 | 00:10:00,820 | 00:10:02,621 | She posted a video of herself | She posted a video of herself |
224 | 00:10:02,689 | 00:10:04,223 | Stepping on a kitten and killing it. | Stepping on a kitten and killing it. |
225 | 00:10:04,290 | 00:10:06,258 | Just her shoe and the kitten. | Just her shoe and the kitten. |
226 | 00:10:06,326 | 00:10:08,527 | People blew up the video, | People blew up the video, |
227 | 00:10:08,595 | 00:10:09,728 | They found out where the shoe came from, | They found out where the shoe came from, |
228 | 00:10:09,796 | 00:10:10,863 | They identified a building in the background. | They identified a building in the background. |
229 | 00:10:10,930 | 00:10:12,331 | - They found out who it was. | - They found out who it was. |
230 | 00:10:12,398 | 00:10:14,366 | She lost her job, she had to go into hiding. | She lost her job, she had to go into hiding. |
231 | 00:10:14,434 | 00:10:16,335 | - Do you feel bad for her? I don't. | - Do you feel bad for her? I don't. |
232 | 00:10:16,402 | 00:10:18,704 | - We're here about a man named Todd bissell, | - We're here about a man named Todd bissell, |
233 | 00:10:18,771 | 00:10:21,840 | And as far as I know, he didn't massacre any cats. | And as far as I know, he didn't massacre any cats. |
234 | 00:10:21,908 | 00:10:23,642 | - Bissell's just as bad. | - Bissell's just as bad. |
235 | 00:10:23,710 | 00:10:26,411 | Do you know how dangerous texting while driving is? | Do you know how dangerous texting while driving is? |
236 | 00:10:26,479 | 00:10:28,780 | - Yeah. "somebody should kill this guy." | - Yeah. "somebody should kill this guy." |
237 | 00:10:28,848 | 00:10:30,215 | From your website. | From your website. |
238 | 00:10:30,283 | 00:10:32,618 | I didn't realize it deserved the death penalty. | I didn't realize it deserved the death penalty. |
239 | 00:10:32,685 | 00:10:34,686 | - You never heard of hyperbole, detective? | - You never heard of hyperbole, detective? |
240 | 00:10:34,754 | 00:10:37,456 | - It wasn't hyperbole. Todd bissell was murdered. | - It wasn't hyperbole. Todd bissell was murdered. |
241 | 00:10:37,524 | 00:10:39,858 | - Under his other name, Sid Maxwell. | - Under his other name, Sid Maxwell. |
242 | 00:10:39,926 | 00:10:41,527 | - And you think we had something to do with that? | - And you think we had something to do with that? |
243 | 00:10:41,594 | 00:10:43,762 | - We'd like the names of your members | - We'd like the names of your members |
244 | 00:10:43,830 | 00:10:47,299 | Who posted threats against Mr. Bissell. | Who posted threats against Mr. Bissell. |
245 | 00:10:47,367 | 00:10:48,433 | - No. | - No. |
246 | 00:10:48,501 | 00:10:51,670 | - Hmm. | - Hmm. |
247 | 00:10:51,738 | 00:10:54,273 | We are the police, Mr. Leary. | We are the police, Mr. Leary. |
248 | 00:10:54,340 | 00:10:59,344 | And it's our job to take "corrective social action." | And it's our job to take "corrective social action." |
249 | 00:11:03,016 | 00:11:05,951 | - No. | - No. |
250 | 00:11:06,019 | 00:11:08,320 | - All right, all right. | - All right, all right. |
251 | 00:11:21,324 | 00:11:23,558 | - Well, the comments on the website are pretty intense. | - Well, the comments on the website are pretty intense. |
252 | 00:11:23,626 | 00:11:26,461 | - The comments on that website are probably free speech. | - The comments on that website are probably free speech. |
253 | 00:11:26,529 | 00:11:28,797 | It's not going to be easy to uphold a subpoena. | It's not going to be easy to uphold a subpoena. |
254 | 00:11:28,865 | 00:11:31,566 | - Is this free speech? It's from the site. | - Is this free speech? It's from the site. |
255 | 00:11:31,634 | 00:11:33,802 | This is Maxwell's vandalized car. | This is Maxwell's vandalized car. |
256 | 00:11:33,870 | 00:11:36,304 | - You think the guy who vandalized the car | - You think the guy who vandalized the car |
257 | 00:11:36,372 | 00:11:37,906 | Took the picture? | Took the picture? |
258 | 00:11:37,974 | 00:11:40,442 | - We can't prove it. | - We can't prove it. |
259 | 00:11:40,510 | 00:11:42,577 | - Neither can I. | - Neither can I. |
260 | 00:11:42,645 | 00:11:46,014 | Listen, if you can show the flashposse's hot air | Listen, if you can show the flashposse's hot air |
261 | 00:11:46,082 | 00:11:48,583 | Has real world consequences, I might be able | Has real world consequences, I might be able |
262 | 00:11:48,651 | 00:11:50,285 | To convince a judge to give us those names. | To convince a judge to give us those names. |
263 | 00:11:50,353 | 00:11:52,320 | - Well, that site goes after a lot of people. | - Well, that site goes after a lot of people. |
264 | 00:11:52,388 | 00:11:54,890 | - Find me a good one. | - Find me a good one. |
265 | 00:11:58,060 | 00:11:59,728 | - I thought the worst thing that could happen | - I thought the worst thing that could happen |
266 | 00:11:59,795 | 00:12:02,230 | Was when my husband committed suicide. | Was when my husband committed suicide. |
267 | 00:12:02,298 | 00:12:05,433 | Then, a month later, the phone calls started. | Then, a month later, the phone calls started. |
268 | 00:12:05,501 | 00:12:07,335 | People I didn't know. | People I didn't know. |
269 | 00:12:07,403 | 00:12:08,770 | They called me a whore. | They called me a whore. |
270 | 00:12:08,838 | 00:12:10,472 | They said it was my fault. | They said it was my fault. |
271 | 00:12:10,540 | 00:12:13,642 | The website posted excerpts from my husband's diary | The website posted excerpts from my husband's diary |
272 | 00:12:13,709 | 00:12:16,077 | That it got from his parents. | That it got from his parents. |
273 | 00:12:16,145 | 00:12:18,380 | They said I had an affair | They said I had an affair |
274 | 00:12:18,447 | 00:12:20,682 | And that's why Donald killed himself. | And that's why Donald killed himself. |
275 | 00:12:20,750 | 00:12:22,584 | I asked the website to take them down. | I asked the website to take them down. |
276 | 00:12:22,652 | 00:12:25,754 | They said they were providing a public service, | They said they were providing a public service, |
277 | 00:12:25,821 | 00:12:28,490 | Letting the public decide what was right and what was wrong. | Letting the public decide what was right and what was wrong. |
278 | 00:12:28,558 | 00:12:31,259 | - It's my understanding that Mr. Leary offered ms. Davies | - It's my understanding that Mr. Leary offered ms. Davies |
279 | 00:12:31,327 | 00:12:33,028 | The chance to tell her side of the story. | The chance to tell her side of the story. |
280 | 00:12:33,095 | 00:12:34,296 | - I'm supposed to go on a public website | - I'm supposed to go on a public website |
281 | 00:12:34,363 | 00:12:36,965 | And tell the world I had an affair, | And tell the world I had an affair, |
282 | 00:12:37,033 | 00:12:40,435 | But my husband had 20, and he was clinically depressed? | But my husband had 20, and he was clinically depressed? |
283 | 00:12:40,503 | 00:12:43,939 | Isn't that private? Shouldn't that be private? | Isn't that private? Shouldn't that be private? |
284 | 00:12:44,006 | 00:12:46,241 | Who made you god? | Who made you god? |
285 | 00:12:46,309 | 00:12:48,143 | Why don't you leave people alone? | Why don't you leave people alone? |
286 | 00:12:48,211 | 00:12:50,178 | - Okay, okay. Thank you, ma'am. | - Okay, okay. Thank you, ma'am. |
287 | 00:12:52,848 | 00:12:56,751 | Okay, now what does that have to do with this subpoena? | Okay, now what does that have to do with this subpoena? |
288 | 00:12:56,819 | 00:12:59,387 | - It demonstrates that threats made on Mr. Leary's website | - It demonstrates that threats made on Mr. Leary's website |
289 | 00:12:59,455 | 00:13:00,388 | Have consequences. | Have consequences. |
290 | 00:13:00,456 | 00:13:01,456 | - Ms. Rubirosa is talking about | - Ms. Rubirosa is talking about |
291 | 00:13:01,524 | 00:13:02,757 | Constitutionally-protected opinions. | Constitutionally-protected opinions. |
292 | 00:13:02,825 | 00:13:04,492 | The subpoena should be quashed. | The subpoena should be quashed. |
293 | 00:13:04,560 | 00:13:05,560 | - No, I am talking about | - No, I am talking about |
294 | 00:13:05,628 | 00:13:06,928 | Specific threats made to kill a man | Specific threats made to kill a man |
295 | 00:13:06,996 | 00:13:08,463 | Who soon after was killed. | Who soon after was killed. |
296 | 00:13:08,531 | 00:13:09,764 | - That's venting. It's hot air. | - That's venting. It's hot air. |
297 | 00:13:09,832 | 00:13:11,233 | "I could kill that guy who stole my parking place." | "I could kill that guy who stole my parking place." |
298 | 00:13:11,300 | 00:13:12,767 | It's a figure of speech. | It's a figure of speech. |
299 | 00:13:12,835 | 00:13:14,970 | - Not to Rebecca Davies, it's not, as we just heard. | - Not to Rebecca Davies, it's not, as we just heard. |
300 | 00:13:15,037 | 00:13:16,271 | - If anyone harassed that woman, arrest them. | - If anyone harassed that woman, arrest them. |
301 | 00:13:16,339 | 00:13:17,572 | They committed a crime. | They committed a crime. |
302 | 00:13:17,640 | 00:13:19,975 | But people who expressed opinions on a website did not. | But people who expressed opinions on a website did not. |
303 | 00:13:20,042 | 00:13:24,279 | - I feel sorry for the lady, ms. Rubirosa. I really do. | - I feel sorry for the lady, ms. Rubirosa. I really do. |
304 | 00:13:24,347 | 00:13:28,483 | But I honestly don't see what she has to do with Mr. Maxwell. | But I honestly don't see what she has to do with Mr. Maxwell. |
305 | 00:13:30,586 | 00:13:32,887 | - Rubirosa just called. [cell phone rings] | - Rubirosa just called. [cell phone rings] |
306 | 00:13:32,955 | 00:13:34,789 | No subpoena for the names. | No subpoena for the names. |
307 | 00:13:34,857 | 00:13:35,790 | - Bernard. | - Bernard. |
308 | 00:13:35,858 | 00:13:37,092 | - So we find another way. | - So we find another way. |
309 | 00:13:37,159 | 00:13:38,927 | - Who is this? | - Who is this? |
310 | 00:13:38,995 | 00:13:41,029 | Hey, screw you. | Hey, screw you. |
311 | 00:13:41,097 | 00:13:44,032 | - I'm guessing that wasn't your mother. | - I'm guessing that wasn't your mother. |
312 | 00:13:44,100 | 00:13:45,400 | - Somebody calling me a Nazi. | - Somebody calling me a Nazi. |
313 | 00:13:45,468 | 00:13:47,502 | You know, an hour ago, somebody called, | You know, an hour ago, somebody called, |
314 | 00:13:47,570 | 00:13:50,205 | Telling me that I needed to go on a diet. | Telling me that I needed to go on a diet. |
315 | 00:13:50,273 | 00:13:51,640 | - Maybe that was your mother. | - Maybe that was your mother. |
316 | 00:13:51,707 | 00:13:52,641 | - No. | - No. |
317 | 00:13:52,708 | 00:13:53,642 | [typing] | [typing] |
318 | 00:13:53,709 | 00:13:54,643 | [computer beeps] | [computer beeps] |
319 | 00:13:54,710 | 00:13:57,946 | Oh, flashposse.Net. | Oh, flashposse.Net. |
320 | 00:14:00,750 | 00:14:02,017 | - "detective Kevin Bernard. | - "detective Kevin Bernard. |
321 | 00:14:02,084 | 00:14:03,318 | Call and tell him what you think." | Call and tell him what you think." |
322 | 00:14:03,386 | 00:14:05,687 | - Oh, they even posted your cell phone number. | - Oh, they even posted your cell phone number. |
323 | 00:14:05,755 | 00:14:06,755 | Thoughtful. | Thoughtful. |
324 | 00:14:06,822 | 00:14:08,390 | - My unlisted number. | - My unlisted number. |
325 | 00:14:08,457 | 00:14:09,891 | Somebody hacked it. | Somebody hacked it. |
326 | 00:14:09,959 | 00:14:11,393 | - "corrective social action." | - "corrective social action." |
327 | 00:14:11,460 | 00:14:12,394 | [computer beeps] | [computer beeps] |
328 | 00:14:12,461 | 00:14:13,928 | - New post coming in. | - New post coming in. |
329 | 00:14:13,996 | 00:14:17,232 | "this cop bully should be ashamed of himself." | "this cop bully should be ashamed of himself." |
330 | 00:14:17,300 | 00:14:19,901 | - You know, if we were set up right, | - You know, if we were set up right, |
331 | 00:14:19,969 | 00:14:22,203 | We could trace these messages as they're posted. | We could trace these messages as they're posted. |
332 | 00:14:22,271 | 00:14:23,738 | That's when the links are open. | That's when the links are open. |
333 | 00:14:23,806 | 00:14:25,874 | - So we wouldn't need a subpoena. | - So we wouldn't need a subpoena. |
334 | 00:14:25,941 | 00:14:30,845 | - Just a big juicy target to get the ranters ranting. | - Just a big juicy target to get the ranters ranting. |
335 | 00:14:34,750 | 00:14:37,819 | - What about lupo? He's juicy. | - What about lupo? He's juicy. |
336 | 00:14:37,887 | 00:14:38,987 | - [laughs] thank you. | - [laughs] thank you. |
337 | 00:14:39,088 | 00:14:40,488 | But four years in intel. | But four years in intel. |
338 | 00:14:40,556 | 00:14:41,890 | We don't want anyone digging through that. | We don't want anyone digging through that. |
339 | 00:14:41,957 | 00:14:46,328 | - Plus, you seem to be the one they like, detective. | - Plus, you seem to be the one they like, detective. |
340 | 00:14:52,101 | 00:14:53,935 | - These guys are good. | - These guys are good. |
341 | 00:14:54,003 | 00:14:55,136 | They've got your credit record up now | They've got your credit record up now |
342 | 00:14:55,204 | 00:14:56,471 | And police reports. | And police reports. |
343 | 00:14:56,539 | 00:14:59,708 | Were you arrested for speeding in California in 1996? | Were you arrested for speeding in California in 1996? |
344 | 00:14:59,775 | 00:15:02,377 | - Look, I got a ticket. I paid the fine. | - Look, I got a ticket. I paid the fine. |
345 | 00:15:02,445 | 00:15:07,949 | - Okay, and here is billyboy14. | - Okay, and here is billyboy14. |
346 | 00:15:08,017 | 00:15:09,918 | "this cop is an outrage. | "this cop is an outrage. |
347 | 00:15:09,985 | 00:15:12,821 | A policeman's first duty is to protect our liberties." | A policeman's first duty is to protect our liberties." |
348 | 00:15:12,888 | 00:15:16,858 | And here is our trace on billyboy. | And here is our trace on billyboy. |
349 | 00:15:16,926 | 00:15:18,626 | - Where is he? | - Where is he? |
350 | 00:15:18,694 | 00:15:20,929 | - He's in astoria. | - He's in astoria. |
351 | 00:15:20,996 | 00:15:22,764 | - All right, write him back. | - All right, write him back. |
352 | 00:15:22,832 | 00:15:25,100 | - Okay, what's my screen name? | - Okay, what's my screen name? |
353 | 00:15:25,167 | 00:15:26,668 | - "detective Bernard." | - "detective Bernard." |
354 | 00:15:26,736 | 00:15:28,603 | We want them to know it's you. | We want them to know it's you. |
355 | 00:15:28,671 | 00:15:29,804 | - All right. | - All right. |
356 | 00:15:29,872 | 00:15:30,939 | [typing] | [typing] |
357 | 00:15:31,006 | 00:15:36,845 | "my first duty is to arrest criminals | "my first duty is to arrest criminals |
358 | 00:15:36,912 | 00:15:40,548 | Who hide behind bogus free speech." | Who hide behind bogus free speech." |
359 | 00:15:40,616 | 00:15:45,286 | - Hmm, nice. | - Hmm, nice. |
360 | 00:15:45,354 | 00:15:47,922 | All right, looking good. | All right, looking good. |
361 | 00:15:47,990 | 00:15:49,190 | You know how to piss them off. | You know how to piss them off. |
362 | 00:15:49,258 | 00:15:50,358 | - My special talent. | - My special talent. |
363 | 00:15:50,426 | 00:15:52,327 | - [laughs] any of these screen names | - [laughs] any of these screen names |
364 | 00:15:52,395 | 00:15:54,129 | Match the people who threatened Sid Maxwell? | Match the people who threatened Sid Maxwell? |
365 | 00:15:54,196 | 00:15:56,998 | - Uh, yeah, one or two. Hit 'em again. | - Uh, yeah, one or two. Hit 'em again. |
366 | 00:15:57,099 | 00:16:02,637 | - "you're cowards and you're stupid." | - "you're cowards and you're stupid." |
367 | 00:16:02,705 | 00:16:05,140 | [laughter] | [laughter] |
368 | 00:16:05,207 | 00:16:09,277 | - Okay, okay, we are matching, matching... | - Okay, okay, we are matching, matching... |
369 | 00:16:09,345 | 00:16:11,813 | Tracing, tracing... | Tracing, tracing... |
370 | 00:16:17,620 | 00:16:21,156 | - Wow. Oh, they hate you, b. | - Wow. Oh, they hate you, b. |
371 | 00:16:21,223 | 00:16:22,991 | They really hate you. | They really hate you. |
372 | 00:16:23,058 | 00:16:26,161 | - I see. | - I see. |
373 | 00:16:26,228 | 00:16:28,563 | Wow. | Wow. |
374 | 00:16:28,631 | 00:16:30,231 | - I was just blowing off steam. | - I was just blowing off steam. |
375 | 00:16:30,299 | 00:16:32,133 | That's not against the law. - Hey. | That's not against the law. - Hey. |
376 | 00:16:32,201 | 00:16:33,468 | "if he can't keep his hands on the wheel | "if he can't keep his hands on the wheel |
377 | 00:16:33,536 | 00:16:35,370 | "and eyes on the road, maybe he ought to lose them. | "and eyes on the road, maybe he ought to lose them. |
378 | 00:16:35,438 | 00:16:37,338 | Taliban justice." | Taliban justice." |
379 | 00:16:37,406 | 00:16:38,807 | - It was a joke. | - It was a joke. |
380 | 00:16:38,874 | 00:16:42,043 | - "this guy should be tied in the middle of fdr drive | - "this guy should be tied in the middle of fdr drive |
381 | 00:16:42,111 | 00:16:45,146 | While texting drivers try to Dodge him," | While texting drivers try to Dodge him," |
382 | 00:16:45,214 | 00:16:47,248 | Says sly-avenger. | Says sly-avenger. |
383 | 00:16:47,316 | 00:16:48,650 | That's you, right? | That's you, right? |
384 | 00:16:48,717 | 00:16:52,120 | - Well, that's not what happened | - Well, that's not what happened |
385 | 00:16:52,188 | 00:16:55,457 | To him, though, is it? | To him, though, is it? |
386 | 00:16:55,524 | 00:16:58,059 | - I'm so embarrassed. | - I'm so embarrassed. |
387 | 00:16:58,127 | 00:17:01,729 | Some of the things I wrote about that man, I-- | Some of the things I wrote about that man, I-- |
388 | 00:17:01,797 | 00:17:03,832 | My language was inappropriate. | My language was inappropriate. |
389 | 00:17:03,899 | 00:17:07,469 | - Well, frankly, ms. Sands, you don't seem like the type. | - Well, frankly, ms. Sands, you don't seem like the type. |
390 | 00:17:07,536 | 00:17:10,605 | - I know. It's just... | - I know. It's just... |
391 | 00:17:10,673 | 00:17:12,340 | [exhales] | [exhales] |
392 | 00:17:12,408 | 00:17:15,310 | Three years ago, my daughter was killed | Three years ago, my daughter was killed |
393 | 00:17:15,377 | 00:17:17,378 | By a taxi driver who was texting. | By a taxi driver who was texting. |
394 | 00:17:17,446 | 00:17:18,947 | - I'm so sorry. | - I'm so sorry. |
395 | 00:17:19,014 | 00:17:20,315 | - They never caught him. | - They never caught him. |
396 | 00:17:20,382 | 00:17:24,419 | And when I saw the photo of that man texting, | And when I saw the photo of that man texting, |
397 | 00:17:24,487 | 00:17:26,421 | Not even looking at the road... | Not even looking at the road... |
398 | 00:17:26,489 | 00:17:30,925 | Some other child could have been hurt. | Some other child could have been hurt. |
399 | 00:17:30,993 | 00:17:34,963 | - Maybe I can look into what happened to your daughter. | - Maybe I can look into what happened to your daughter. |
400 | 00:17:35,030 | 00:17:37,799 | - That would be... | - That would be... |
401 | 00:17:37,867 | 00:17:39,300 | Thank you. | Thank you. |
402 | 00:17:39,368 | 00:17:41,369 | - Someone hacked into the security system | - Someone hacked into the security system |
403 | 00:17:41,437 | 00:17:43,705 | At Sid Maxwell's building the night he was killed. | At Sid Maxwell's building the night he was killed. |
404 | 00:17:43,772 | 00:17:47,675 | You worked as a security systems engineer. | You worked as a security systems engineer. |
405 | 00:17:47,743 | 00:17:49,744 | - So? | - So? |
406 | 00:17:49,812 | 00:17:51,679 | - This is a photo of Maxwell's vandalized car, | - This is a photo of Maxwell's vandalized car, |
407 | 00:17:51,747 | 00:17:53,615 | Uploaded from your I.P. Address. | Uploaded from your I.P. Address. |
408 | 00:17:53,682 | 00:17:55,717 | If your prints are found in his apartment, | If your prints are found in his apartment, |
409 | 00:17:55,784 | 00:17:57,919 | You're screwed. | You're screwed. |
410 | 00:17:57,987 | 00:18:00,388 | - I'm screwed? | - I'm screwed? |
411 | 00:18:00,456 | 00:18:03,358 | A, I didn't kill anybody. | A, I didn't kill anybody. |
412 | 00:18:03,425 | 00:18:06,394 | B, it's not my social security number | B, it's not my social security number |
413 | 00:18:06,462 | 00:18:08,997 | That got posted online this morning. | That got posted online this morning. |
414 | 00:18:12,034 | 00:18:15,703 | - So I should be going. Is there anything else? | - So I should be going. Is there anything else? |
415 | 00:18:15,771 | 00:18:19,107 | - No, no. We have your-- your name and your address. | - No, no. We have your-- your name and your address. |
416 | 00:18:19,174 | 00:18:21,009 | - Thank you for your concern. | - Thank you for your concern. |
417 | 00:18:21,076 | 00:18:24,879 | - Lieutenant, that information you requested... | - Lieutenant, that information you requested... |
418 | 00:18:28,717 | 00:18:32,020 | - Ms. Sands, | - Ms. Sands, |
419 | 00:18:32,087 | 00:18:33,955 | If you don't mind, | If you don't mind, |
420 | 00:18:34,023 | 00:18:37,325 | Could you come back and sit for a minute? | Could you come back and sit for a minute? |
421 | 00:18:48,971 | 00:18:53,641 | - We checked accident reports from three years ago, | - We checked accident reports from three years ago, |
422 | 00:18:53,709 | 00:18:56,744 | And there was no report | And there was no report |
423 | 00:18:56,812 | 00:19:00,515 | Involving a taxi and a child. | Involving a taxi and a child. |
424 | 00:19:00,583 | 00:19:02,016 | - I saw it happen. | - I saw it happen. |
425 | 00:19:02,084 | 00:19:06,254 | - And you do have a daughter, but she didn't die. | - And you do have a daughter, but she didn't die. |
426 | 00:19:06,322 | 00:19:08,690 | Social services took her away from you | Social services took her away from you |
427 | 00:19:08,757 | 00:19:12,427 | Because you offered her to a catholic church | Because you offered her to a catholic church |
428 | 00:19:12,494 | 00:19:14,729 | As a human sacrifice. | As a human sacrifice. |
429 | 00:19:14,797 | 00:19:20,134 | - I don't believe in human sacrifices. | - I don't believe in human sacrifices. |
430 | 00:19:20,202 | 00:19:21,469 | - Ms. Sands, | - Ms. Sands, |
431 | 00:19:21,537 | 00:19:26,040 | Were you at Mr. Maxwell's apartment Friday night? | Were you at Mr. Maxwell's apartment Friday night? |
432 | 00:19:26,108 | 00:19:29,043 | - He was getting messages from the devil. | - He was getting messages from the devil. |
433 | 00:19:29,111 | 00:19:32,246 | - Who was? Mr. Maxwell? | - Who was? Mr. Maxwell? |
434 | 00:19:32,314 | 00:19:33,948 | - Not just him. | - Not just him. |
435 | 00:19:34,016 | 00:19:36,451 | - He tells them whom to kill. | - He tells them whom to kill. |
436 | 00:19:37,620 | 00:19:40,321 | - Uh... | - Uh... |
437 | 00:19:40,389 | 00:19:44,025 | Who tells who whom to kill? | Who tells who whom to kill? |
438 | 00:19:44,093 | 00:19:46,928 | Mr. Maxwell? The devil? | Mr. Maxwell? The devil? |
439 | 00:19:49,632 | 00:19:51,635 | - May I please see a lawyer now? | - May I please see a lawyer now? |
440 | 00:20:00,836 | 00:20:02,003 | - Ms. Sands has informed me | - Ms. Sands has informed me |
441 | 00:20:02,071 | 00:20:03,304 | That she has nothing else to say at this time. | That she has nothing else to say at this time. |
442 | 00:20:03,372 | 00:20:05,840 | - Except that people who get texts while they drive | - Except that people who get texts while they drive |
443 | 00:20:05,908 | 00:20:07,141 | Are servants of the devil. | Are servants of the devil. |
444 | 00:20:07,209 | 00:20:08,409 | - Except that. | - Except that. |
445 | 00:20:08,477 | 00:20:10,111 | - She already mentioned | - She already mentioned |
446 | 00:20:10,179 | 00:20:12,747 | That Sid Maxwell was one of those servants. | That Sid Maxwell was one of those servants. |
447 | 00:20:12,815 | 00:20:14,616 | - So you say. I wasn't here. | - So you say. I wasn't here. |
448 | 00:20:14,683 | 00:20:18,319 | - Do you want to add anything else, ms. Sands? | - Do you want to add anything else, ms. Sands? |
449 | 00:20:18,387 | 00:20:20,655 | - That man was evil. | - That man was evil. |
450 | 00:20:20,723 | 00:20:23,958 | If you don't know that, you shouldn't be a policeman. | If you don't know that, you shouldn't be a policeman. |
451 | 00:20:24,026 | 00:20:26,261 | - Crazy enough for you? | - Crazy enough for you? |
452 | 00:20:26,328 | 00:20:27,595 | - Oh, yeah. | - Oh, yeah. |
453 | 00:20:27,663 | 00:20:30,231 | Do you have any evidence against her for the murder? | Do you have any evidence against her for the murder? |
454 | 00:20:30,299 | 00:20:33,201 | - So far, just her rants against Maxwell on the website. | - So far, just her rants against Maxwell on the website. |
455 | 00:20:33,269 | 00:20:36,804 | - Well, that and this--it's enough for a search warrant. | - Well, that and this--it's enough for a search warrant. |
456 | 00:20:40,342 | 00:20:42,944 | - Wow. | - Wow. |
457 | 00:20:43,012 | 00:20:47,148 | - Texting while driving... Texting while driving... | - Texting while driving... Texting while driving... |
458 | 00:20:47,216 | 00:20:50,585 | Todd bissell... Todd bissell... | Todd bissell... Todd bissell... |
459 | 00:20:52,121 | 00:20:54,455 | - This must be Kerry sands' daughter, | - This must be Kerry sands' daughter, |
460 | 00:20:54,523 | 00:20:56,057 | The one who isn't actually dead. | The one who isn't actually dead. |
461 | 00:20:56,125 | 00:20:58,126 | - Ah, yeah, the state takes her daughter away | - Ah, yeah, the state takes her daughter away |
462 | 00:20:58,193 | 00:21:01,162 | And she can't deal with it, and she comes up with this? | And she can't deal with it, and she comes up with this? |
463 | 00:21:01,230 | 00:21:03,331 | I don't see the connection. | I don't see the connection. |
464 | 00:21:03,399 | 00:21:04,866 | - Hey, check it out. | - Hey, check it out. |
465 | 00:21:04,933 | 00:21:06,634 | That's the girl from the photo session | That's the girl from the photo session |
466 | 00:21:06,702 | 00:21:08,836 | The night bissell a.K.A. Maxwell was killed. | The night bissell a.K.A. Maxwell was killed. |
467 | 00:21:08,904 | 00:21:10,605 | Looks like ms. Sands took a souvenir. | Looks like ms. Sands took a souvenir. |
468 | 00:21:10,673 | 00:21:11,806 | - That would put her on the scene, | - That would put her on the scene, |
469 | 00:21:11,874 | 00:21:12,874 | But how did she get in the building? | But how did she get in the building? |
470 | 00:21:12,941 | 00:21:15,310 | - 8-4-2-6. | - 8-4-2-6. |
471 | 00:21:15,377 | 00:21:16,611 | That's the entry Code, | That's the entry Code, |
472 | 00:21:16,679 | 00:21:19,447 | Right next to a picture of the keypad. | Right next to a picture of the keypad. |
473 | 00:21:19,515 | 00:21:21,282 | - And that's Maxwell's apartment door, propped open. | - And that's Maxwell's apartment door, propped open. |
474 | 00:21:21,350 | 00:21:23,851 | Looks like a security camera still. | Looks like a security camera still. |
475 | 00:21:23,919 | 00:21:26,654 | - Yeah, a camera that mysteriously went dark. | - Yeah, a camera that mysteriously went dark. |
476 | 00:21:26,722 | 00:21:28,723 | - She was the one who hacked into the security system? | - She was the one who hacked into the security system? |
477 | 00:21:28,791 | 00:21:32,393 | - No. The header says flashposse.Net, | - No. The header says flashposse.Net, |
478 | 00:21:32,461 | 00:21:36,097 | Her friendly neighborhood social justice website. | Her friendly neighborhood social justice website. |
479 | 00:21:36,165 | 00:21:39,067 | - There's no time or date on this. | - There's no time or date on this. |
480 | 00:21:39,134 | 00:21:40,435 | If she got this stuff the night of the murder, | If she got this stuff the night of the murder, |
481 | 00:21:40,502 | 00:21:41,836 | That would nail things down. | That would nail things down. |
482 | 00:21:41,904 | 00:21:44,238 | - The flashposse computer would show when they were posted. | - The flashposse computer would show when they were posted. |
483 | 00:21:44,306 | 00:21:48,309 | - Hey, can we go find out with a warrant, please? | - Hey, can we go find out with a warrant, please? |
484 | 00:21:48,377 | 00:21:49,310 | - I'm calling my lawyer. | - I'm calling my lawyer. |
485 | 00:21:49,378 | 00:21:50,545 | - Yeah, when you do, | - Yeah, when you do, |
486 | 00:21:50,612 | 00:21:51,746 | Tell him "the cop bully" is here | Tell him "the cop bully" is here |
487 | 00:21:51,814 | 00:21:53,381 | With a search warrant this time. | With a search warrant this time. |
488 | 00:21:53,449 | 00:21:54,816 | - Hey, you can't take that. | - Hey, you can't take that. |
489 | 00:21:54,883 | 00:21:55,983 | - You'll get it back. | - You'll get it back. |
490 | 00:21:56,051 | 00:21:57,185 | - There's some more gear back here. | - There's some more gear back here. |
491 | 00:21:57,252 | 00:21:58,219 | Anything else you want me to take? | Anything else you want me to take? |
492 | 00:21:58,287 | 00:21:59,687 | - Ah, let me check. | - Ah, let me check. |
493 | 00:21:59,755 | 00:22:01,322 | - This is harassment. - No. | - This is harassment. - No. |
494 | 00:22:01,390 | 00:22:03,925 | Calling my cell phone and telling me I'm a Nazi, | Calling my cell phone and telling me I'm a Nazi, |
495 | 00:22:03,992 | 00:22:04,926 | That's harassment. | That's harassment. |
496 | 00:22:04,993 | 00:22:05,927 | - Oh, is that what this is about? | - Oh, is that what this is about? |
497 | 00:22:05,994 | 00:22:07,195 | You can't stand a little heat? | You can't stand a little heat? |
498 | 00:22:07,262 | 00:22:08,529 | - Look, I'm doing my job. | - Look, I'm doing my job. |
499 | 00:22:08,597 | 00:22:10,765 | This is about a murder and a woman named Kerry sands. | This is about a murder and a woman named Kerry sands. |
500 | 00:22:10,833 | 00:22:12,033 | Do you know her? | Do you know her? |
501 | 00:22:12,101 | 00:22:14,469 | - The woman whose kid wasn't killed by a taxi? | - The woman whose kid wasn't killed by a taxi? |
502 | 00:22:14,536 | 00:22:16,003 | Yeah. We're open to the public. | Yeah. We're open to the public. |
503 | 00:22:16,071 | 00:22:17,071 | We take all comers. | We take all comers. |
504 | 00:22:17,139 | 00:22:18,873 | - That's it. You ready to go? | - That's it. You ready to go? |
505 | 00:22:18,941 | 00:22:19,874 | - Yeah. | - Yeah. |
506 | 00:22:19,942 | 00:22:21,442 | - Oh. | - Oh. |
507 | 00:22:21,510 | 00:22:23,211 | - Bye. | - Bye. |
508 | 00:22:23,278 | 00:22:24,712 | - Here's the full dump of material | - Here's the full dump of material |
509 | 00:22:24,780 | 00:22:27,181 | From the Sid Maxwell section of flashposse.Net. | From the Sid Maxwell section of flashposse.Net. |
510 | 00:22:27,249 | 00:22:29,684 | - Yeah, the good stuff was in a password-protected area | - Yeah, the good stuff was in a password-protected area |
511 | 00:22:29,752 | 00:22:33,254 | For people who had a special interest in Mr. Maxwell. | For people who had a special interest in Mr. Maxwell. |
512 | 00:22:33,322 | 00:22:34,522 | - The Code to his building's front door? | - The Code to his building's front door? |
513 | 00:22:34,590 | 00:22:38,126 | - Right, just in case somebody wanted to drop by. | - Right, just in case somebody wanted to drop by. |
514 | 00:22:38,193 | 00:22:41,429 | Ms. Sands accessed this photo just after midnight. | Ms. Sands accessed this photo just after midnight. |
515 | 00:22:41,497 | 00:22:42,630 | A few minutes later, | A few minutes later, |
516 | 00:22:42,698 | 00:22:44,866 | She takes a car service to Maxwell's apartment. | She takes a car service to Maxwell's apartment. |
517 | 00:22:44,933 | 00:22:46,567 | - Do you have the driver? - Mm-hmm. | - Do you have the driver? - Mm-hmm. |
518 | 00:22:46,635 | 00:22:47,702 | He remembers her pretty well. | He remembers her pretty well. |
519 | 00:22:47,770 | 00:22:49,537 | She told him she doesn't take taxis | She told him she doesn't take taxis |
520 | 00:22:49,605 | 00:22:51,239 | Because of their link to the devil. | Because of their link to the devil. |
521 | 00:22:51,306 | 00:22:52,540 | - Hmm. | - Hmm. |
522 | 00:22:52,608 | 00:22:54,842 | Arrest her for murder, and I will apply with the court | Arrest her for murder, and I will apply with the court |
523 | 00:22:54,910 | 00:22:57,211 | For a 7:30 exam. | For a 7:30 exam. |
524 | 00:22:59,481 | 00:23:01,682 | - I found the police report you filed | - I found the police report you filed |
525 | 00:23:01,750 | 00:23:04,419 | About the taxi striking your daughter. | About the taxi striking your daughter. |
526 | 00:23:04,486 | 00:23:06,087 | - The police didn't do anything. | - The police didn't do anything. |
527 | 00:23:06,155 | 00:23:07,488 | They wouldn't do anything. | They wouldn't do anything. |
528 | 00:23:07,556 | 00:23:10,057 | - The report says they investigated. | - The report says they investigated. |
529 | 00:23:10,125 | 00:23:14,162 | The taxi hit a garbage can. Nobody was injured. | The taxi hit a garbage can. Nobody was injured. |
530 | 00:23:14,229 | 00:23:16,464 | Why would it say that? | Why would it say that? |
531 | 00:23:16,532 | 00:23:20,368 | - [sighs] | - [sighs] |
532 | 00:23:20,436 | 00:23:25,973 | Do I have to explain everything to you? | Do I have to explain everything to you? |
533 | 00:23:26,041 | 00:23:27,675 | - Do you mind? | - Do you mind? |
534 | 00:23:27,743 | 00:23:30,411 | - Oh, I don't know. | - Oh, I don't know. |
535 | 00:23:30,479 | 00:23:32,647 | Will you help me? | Will you help me? |
536 | 00:23:32,714 | 00:23:34,148 | - Help you do what? | - Help you do what? |
537 | 00:23:34,216 | 00:23:36,451 | - Stop the killing. | - Stop the killing. |
538 | 00:23:36,518 | 00:23:39,387 | Stop the evil. | Stop the evil. |
539 | 00:23:39,455 | 00:23:42,023 | - Like Sid Maxwell? | - Like Sid Maxwell? |
540 | 00:23:42,090 | 00:23:43,891 | Was he evil? | Was he evil? |
541 | 00:23:43,959 | 00:23:47,895 | - He got a message when he was driving. | - He got a message when he was driving. |
542 | 00:23:47,963 | 00:23:49,964 | That's when they send the messages. | That's when they send the messages. |
543 | 00:23:50,032 | 00:23:51,966 | They think no one can see. | They think no one can see. |
544 | 00:23:52,034 | 00:23:54,469 | - What do the messages say? | - What do the messages say? |
545 | 00:23:54,536 | 00:23:55,870 | - Whom to kill. | - Whom to kill. |
546 | 00:23:55,938 | 00:23:58,873 | - So Sid Maxwell was going to kill someone? | - So Sid Maxwell was going to kill someone? |
547 | 00:23:58,941 | 00:24:01,676 | - Isn't that why we're here? | - Isn't that why we're here? |
548 | 00:24:01,743 | 00:24:03,578 | - And you were supposed to do something about that? | - And you were supposed to do something about that? |
549 | 00:24:03,645 | 00:24:05,646 | - There was no point calling the police. | - There was no point calling the police. |
550 | 00:24:05,714 | 00:24:07,949 | That report proves that. | That report proves that. |
551 | 00:24:08,016 | 00:24:12,220 | No, I had to take care of that man myself. | No, I had to take care of that man myself. |
552 | 00:24:12,287 | 00:24:14,856 | So I did. | So I did. |
553 | 00:24:14,923 | 00:24:17,091 | - She's a pretty well-managed schizophrenic. | - She's a pretty well-managed schizophrenic. |
554 | 00:24:17,159 | 00:24:19,227 | It's not immediately obvious. | It's not immediately obvious. |
555 | 00:24:19,294 | 00:24:21,863 | - Unless you start talking about texting while driving? | - Unless you start talking about texting while driving? |
556 | 00:24:21,930 | 00:24:23,764 | - Or about the devil. | - Or about the devil. |
557 | 00:24:23,832 | 00:24:25,833 | He sends messages to his servants | He sends messages to his servants |
558 | 00:24:25,901 | 00:24:27,201 | While they're in their cars, | While they're in their cars, |
559 | 00:24:27,269 | 00:24:29,670 | Telling them which pure-hearted people to kill. | Telling them which pure-hearted people to kill. |
560 | 00:24:29,738 | 00:24:32,306 | - But she tried to have her own daughter killed | - But she tried to have her own daughter killed |
561 | 00:24:32,374 | 00:24:34,775 | By human sacrifice. | By human sacrifice. |
562 | 00:24:34,843 | 00:24:36,244 | - For purification. | - For purification. |
563 | 00:24:36,311 | 00:24:38,312 | Her delusion was a little different then. | Her delusion was a little different then. |
564 | 00:24:38,380 | 00:24:40,448 | When the state took her daughter away, | When the state took her daughter away, |
565 | 00:24:40,516 | 00:24:41,983 | It rattled her reality. | It rattled her reality. |
566 | 00:24:42,050 | 00:24:43,217 | That same day, | That same day, |
567 | 00:24:43,285 | 00:24:46,087 | She saw a taxi driver plow into a garbage can. | She saw a taxi driver plow into a garbage can. |
568 | 00:24:46,154 | 00:24:48,189 | The garbage can became her daughter. | The garbage can became her daughter. |
569 | 00:24:48,257 | 00:24:50,691 | The taxi driver became evil. | The taxi driver became evil. |
570 | 00:24:50,759 | 00:24:52,894 | Suddenly everything made sense. | Suddenly everything made sense. |
571 | 00:24:52,961 | 00:24:54,428 | - Perfectly. | - Perfectly. |
572 | 00:24:54,496 | 00:24:56,097 | - Is ms. Sands competent to stand trial? | - Is ms. Sands competent to stand trial? |
573 | 00:24:56,164 | 00:24:59,300 | - No, and if she ever is, the verdict will be | - No, and if she ever is, the verdict will be |
574 | 00:24:59,368 | 00:25:03,104 | "not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect." | "not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect." |
575 | 00:25:03,171 | 00:25:05,406 | She needs to be locked up, for everybody's good. | She needs to be locked up, for everybody's good. |
576 | 00:25:05,474 | 00:25:08,142 | - Call judge hiram and the woman's attorney. | - Call judge hiram and the woman's attorney. |
577 | 00:25:08,210 | 00:25:10,745 | Work out a plan for institutionalization. | Work out a plan for institutionalization. |
578 | 00:25:10,812 | 00:25:12,380 | Thank you, doctor. | Thank you, doctor. |
579 | 00:25:13,782 | 00:25:16,017 | - I'll book some time in the grand jury. | - I'll book some time in the grand jury. |
580 | 00:25:16,084 | 00:25:17,818 | - What for? The woman's insane. | - What for? The woman's insane. |
581 | 00:25:17,886 | 00:25:21,789 | - Not for her. Did you see the file on flashposse.Net? | - Not for her. Did you see the file on flashposse.Net? |
582 | 00:25:21,857 | 00:25:23,190 | - That place on the world wide web? | - That place on the world wide web? |
583 | 00:25:23,258 | 00:25:25,293 | - Actually, they don't call it that anymore. | - Actually, they don't call it that anymore. |
584 | 00:25:25,360 | 00:25:27,962 | - Excuse me, should I have said "wireless telegraph"? | - Excuse me, should I have said "wireless telegraph"? |
585 | 00:25:28,030 | 00:25:32,033 | - Flashposse whipped up a frenzy against Sid Maxwell. | - Flashposse whipped up a frenzy against Sid Maxwell. |
586 | 00:25:32,100 | 00:25:33,968 | It was a virtual Lynch mob. | It was a virtual Lynch mob. |
587 | 00:25:34,036 | 00:25:37,772 | - A Lynch mob sitting at computers, typing things? | - A Lynch mob sitting at computers, typing things? |
588 | 00:25:37,839 | 00:25:39,774 | - Yeah, things like "this guy ought to be killed" | - Yeah, things like "this guy ought to be killed" |
589 | 00:25:39,841 | 00:25:41,475 | And "here's how to get into his apartment." | And "here's how to get into his apartment." |
590 | 00:25:41,543 | 00:25:43,477 | All delivered into the hands of a crazy woman. | All delivered into the hands of a crazy woman. |
591 | 00:25:43,545 | 00:25:44,679 | - "a person is guilty of murder | - "a person is guilty of murder |
592 | 00:25:44,746 | 00:25:46,547 | "when they recklessly engage in conduct | "when they recklessly engage in conduct |
593 | 00:25:46,615 | 00:25:49,183 | "which creates a grave risk of death to another person, | "which creates a grave risk of death to another person, |
594 | 00:25:49,251 | 00:25:52,119 | And thereby causes the death of another person." | And thereby causes the death of another person." |
595 | 00:25:52,187 | 00:25:54,188 | - I know the law. - The shoe fits, Jack. | - I know the law. - The shoe fits, Jack. |
596 | 00:25:54,256 | 00:25:57,625 | Kerry sands was the bullet; the website was the gun. | Kerry sands was the bullet; the website was the gun. |
597 | 00:25:57,693 | 00:26:00,027 | - You really want to do this? | - You really want to do this? |
598 | 00:26:00,095 | 00:26:03,197 | You'll be pushing the limits, trying to make new law. | You'll be pushing the limits, trying to make new law. |
599 | 00:26:03,265 | 00:26:05,533 | - Like you did with gun manufacturers | - Like you did with gun manufacturers |
600 | 00:26:05,601 | 00:26:10,404 | And justice department torture memo writers? | And justice department torture memo writers? |
601 | 00:26:10,472 | 00:26:12,573 | - So these flashposse people, | - So these flashposse people, |
602 | 00:26:12,641 | 00:26:15,343 | Whom exactly are you planning to indict? | Whom exactly are you planning to indict? |
603 | 00:26:15,410 | 00:26:17,578 | - All of them. | - All of them. |
604 | 00:26:20,916 | 00:26:24,552 | - All of these people are parties to this motion? | - All of these people are parties to this motion? |
605 | 00:26:24,620 | 00:26:25,920 | - Not by choice, your honor. | - Not by choice, your honor. |
606 | 00:26:25,988 | 00:26:27,288 | For some strange reason, the district attorney | For some strange reason, the district attorney |
607 | 00:26:27,356 | 00:26:29,390 | Has chosen to indict half of New York city | Has chosen to indict half of New York city |
608 | 00:26:29,458 | 00:26:30,858 | For the murder of Sid Maxwell. | For the murder of Sid Maxwell. |
609 | 00:26:30,926 | 00:26:32,526 | - Only because they all helped kill him. | - Only because they all helped kill him. |
610 | 00:26:32,594 | 00:26:33,961 | - It's preposterous. | - It's preposterous. |
611 | 00:26:34,029 | 00:26:36,230 | A schizophrenic named Kerry sands murdered Sid Maxwell, | A schizophrenic named Kerry sands murdered Sid Maxwell, |
612 | 00:26:36,298 | 00:26:37,665 | As the state freely acknowledges. | As the state freely acknowledges. |
613 | 00:26:37,733 | 00:26:39,100 | These people did nothing but post comments | These people did nothing but post comments |
614 | 00:26:39,167 | 00:26:41,035 | On a website that ms. Sands occasionally visited. | On a website that ms. Sands occasionally visited. |
615 | 00:26:41,103 | 00:26:42,670 | - Is that true, Mr. Cutter? | - Is that true, Mr. Cutter? |
616 | 00:26:42,738 | 00:26:45,206 | - "post comments" is an understatement. | - "post comments" is an understatement. |
617 | 00:26:45,273 | 00:26:47,341 | They encouraged ms. Sands | They encouraged ms. Sands |
618 | 00:26:47,409 | 00:26:49,810 | To commit violence against Mr. Maxwell. | To commit violence against Mr. Maxwell. |
619 | 00:26:49,878 | 00:26:52,113 | - If I yell "kill the umpire" and some psychotic does it, | - If I yell "kill the umpire" and some psychotic does it, |
620 | 00:26:52,180 | 00:26:53,214 | I'm not guilty of murder. | I'm not guilty of murder. |
621 | 00:26:53,281 | 00:26:55,182 | - The website went beyond exhortations | - The website went beyond exhortations |
622 | 00:26:55,250 | 00:26:56,684 | To kill Mr. Maxwell. | To kill Mr. Maxwell. |
623 | 00:26:56,752 | 00:26:59,153 | It gave instructions on how to do it. | It gave instructions on how to do it. |
624 | 00:26:59,221 | 00:27:03,324 | Some of its members took actions that enabled ms. Sands | Some of its members took actions that enabled ms. Sands |
625 | 00:27:03,392 | 00:27:06,227 | To enter and leave his apartment undetected. | To enter and leave his apartment undetected. |
626 | 00:27:06,294 | 00:27:08,429 | - What are we talking about here, | - What are we talking about here, |
627 | 00:27:08,497 | 00:27:09,897 | Exhortations or actions? | Exhortations or actions? |
628 | 00:27:09,965 | 00:27:13,234 | - In this case, your honor, it's a pretty fine line. | - In this case, your honor, it's a pretty fine line. |
629 | 00:27:13,301 | 00:27:15,002 | - Not to me. | - Not to me. |
630 | 00:27:15,070 | 00:27:17,905 | Any comment about Mr. Maxwell, even negative ones, | Any comment about Mr. Maxwell, even negative ones, |
631 | 00:27:17,973 | 00:27:19,674 | Are protected speech and may not be used | Are protected speech and may not be used |
632 | 00:27:19,741 | 00:27:21,942 | In any way in your prosecution. | In any way in your prosecution. |
633 | 00:27:22,010 | 00:27:24,011 | - There is the first amendment exception | - There is the first amendment exception |
634 | 00:27:24,079 | 00:27:26,580 | About shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. | About shouting "fire" in a crowded theater. |
635 | 00:27:26,648 | 00:27:29,583 | - Were any of these people in physical proximity | - Were any of these people in physical proximity |
636 | 00:27:29,651 | 00:27:31,118 | To ms. Sands or the victim? | To ms. Sands or the victim? |
637 | 00:27:31,186 | 00:27:32,953 | - No. | - No. |
638 | 00:27:33,021 | 00:27:34,622 | - Then the theater wasn't crowded. | - Then the theater wasn't crowded. |
639 | 00:27:34,690 | 00:27:37,291 | You are free to proceed in accordance with my ruling, | You are free to proceed in accordance with my ruling, |
640 | 00:27:37,359 | 00:27:39,660 | If you still have a case. | If you still have a case. |
641 | 00:27:44,232 | 00:27:47,067 | - Do we? - We'd better. | - Do we? - We'd better. |
642 | 00:27:47,135 | 00:27:49,970 | If we don't stop them now, who's next? | If we don't stop them now, who's next? |
643 | 00:27:55,509 | 00:27:57,243 | - You're lucky the judge didn't throw your case out entirely. | - You're lucky the judge didn't throw your case out entirely. |
644 | 00:27:57,311 | 00:27:58,878 | - She's living in the 20th century. | - She's living in the 20th century. |
645 | 00:27:58,946 | 00:28:01,548 | Words on the internet have consequences. | Words on the internet have consequences. |
646 | 00:28:01,615 | 00:28:04,317 | - Actually, she's living in the 18th century, | - Actually, she's living in the 18th century, |
647 | 00:28:04,385 | 00:28:05,852 | When the bill of rights was written, | When the bill of rights was written, |
648 | 00:28:05,920 | 00:28:07,954 | Which, on balance, is a good thing. | Which, on balance, is a good thing. |
649 | 00:28:08,022 | 00:28:10,123 | - Well, if it weren't for what people on that website | - Well, if it weren't for what people on that website |
650 | 00:28:10,191 | 00:28:11,424 | Said and did, | Said and did, |
651 | 00:28:11,492 | 00:28:14,160 | Kerry sands would have never murdered Sid Maxwell. | Kerry sands would have never murdered Sid Maxwell. |
652 | 00:28:14,228 | 00:28:16,429 | - Yes, but now you'll have to forget about the "said." | - Yes, but now you'll have to forget about the "said." |
653 | 00:28:16,497 | 00:28:18,998 | - I'm dropping the charges against the cheerleaders, | - I'm dropping the charges against the cheerleaders, |
654 | 00:28:19,066 | 00:28:21,534 | But I'm still moving against the guy who ran the site | But I'm still moving against the guy who ran the site |
655 | 00:28:21,602 | 00:28:24,137 | And the people who sent out the photos and the door Code. | And the people who sent out the photos and the door Code. |
656 | 00:28:24,205 | 00:28:26,840 | - They'll say they were only encouraging people | - They'll say they were only encouraging people |
657 | 00:28:26,907 | 00:28:28,608 | To send Maxwell a message, | To send Maxwell a message, |
658 | 00:28:28,676 | 00:28:30,844 | That they never intended for him to be killed. | That they never intended for him to be killed. |
659 | 00:28:30,911 | 00:28:33,980 | - They were dealing with a crazy woman. | - They were dealing with a crazy woman. |
660 | 00:28:34,048 | 00:28:36,649 | They didn't have to intend for her to kill him. | They didn't have to intend for her to kill him. |
661 | 00:28:36,717 | 00:28:38,585 | If they recklessly disregarded | If they recklessly disregarded |
662 | 00:28:38,652 | 00:28:42,689 | The likelihood that it would happen, they're guilty. | The likelihood that it would happen, they're guilty. |
663 | 00:28:42,756 | 00:28:44,858 | - Good luck. | - Good luck. |
664 | 00:28:48,629 | 00:28:51,464 | - "thank you for sharing the information | - "thank you for sharing the information |
665 | 00:28:51,532 | 00:28:54,434 | About this accomplice of the devil." | About this accomplice of the devil." |
666 | 00:28:54,501 | 00:28:57,503 | That was one of the messages posted by Kerry sands | That was one of the messages posted by Kerry sands |
667 | 00:28:57,571 | 00:29:00,373 | On the Sid Maxwell section of the website. | On the Sid Maxwell section of the website. |
668 | 00:29:00,441 | 00:29:02,008 | - And how many messages | - And how many messages |
669 | 00:29:02,076 | 00:29:04,477 | Did ms. Sands post there altogether? | Did ms. Sands post there altogether? |
670 | 00:29:04,545 | 00:29:06,079 | - More than 400. | - More than 400. |
671 | 00:29:06,146 | 00:29:08,615 | - And who posted the second largest amount | - And who posted the second largest amount |
672 | 00:29:08,682 | 00:29:09,883 | Of messages there? | Of messages there? |
673 | 00:29:09,950 | 00:29:12,218 | - Someone with the screen name kewpie-doll. | - Someone with the screen name kewpie-doll. |
674 | 00:29:12,286 | 00:29:14,187 | She posted 22. | She posted 22. |
675 | 00:29:14,255 | 00:29:17,857 | - 22 versus 400. | - 22 versus 400. |
676 | 00:29:17,925 | 00:29:21,995 | Now did ms. Sands' messages stand out in any other way? | Now did ms. Sands' messages stand out in any other way? |
677 | 00:29:22,062 | 00:29:23,863 | - No one else mentioned Satan. | - No one else mentioned Satan. |
678 | 00:29:23,931 | 00:29:27,033 | No one else mentioned that god's angels | No one else mentioned that god's angels |
679 | 00:29:27,101 | 00:29:29,769 | Would take vengeance on Mr. Maxwell | Would take vengeance on Mr. Maxwell |
680 | 00:29:29,837 | 00:29:32,939 | And dance in his evil blood. | And dance in his evil blood. |
681 | 00:29:33,007 | 00:29:35,375 | - Would you characterize her messages as sane? | - Would you characterize her messages as sane? |
682 | 00:29:35,442 | 00:29:37,744 | - Objection. The witness is a psychiatrist. | - Objection. The witness is a psychiatrist. |
683 | 00:29:37,811 | 00:29:38,912 | Her judgment isn't the same | Her judgment isn't the same |
684 | 00:29:38,979 | 00:29:40,313 | As that of a layperson reading those messages. | As that of a layperson reading those messages. |
685 | 00:29:40,381 | 00:29:42,348 | - I'll sustain that. | - I'll sustain that. |
686 | 00:29:42,416 | 00:29:47,320 | - Dr. Olivet, please read some more of ms. Sands' postings. | - Dr. Olivet, please read some more of ms. Sands' postings. |
687 | 00:29:47,388 | 00:29:49,322 | - "god's angels will sing in heaven | - "god's angels will sing in heaven |
688 | 00:29:49,390 | 00:29:51,925 | "when this man gets his just reward. | "when this man gets his just reward. |
689 | 00:29:51,992 | 00:29:54,460 | "death shall be answered with death, | "death shall be answered with death, |
690 | 00:29:54,528 | 00:29:56,729 | The lord commands us." | The lord commands us." |
691 | 00:29:56,797 | 00:30:01,935 | - "death shall be answered with death." | - "death shall be answered with death." |
692 | 00:30:05,239 | 00:30:06,706 | - Pursuant to a search warrant, | - Pursuant to a search warrant, |
693 | 00:30:06,774 | 00:30:09,976 | We seized a computer server from the residence of Mr. Leary | We seized a computer server from the residence of Mr. Leary |
694 | 00:30:10,044 | 00:30:12,345 | And turned it over to our computer crimes squad. | And turned it over to our computer crimes squad. |
695 | 00:30:12,413 | 00:30:14,681 | - And what did that squad determine? | - And what did that squad determine? |
696 | 00:30:14,748 | 00:30:16,883 | - That Mr. Keegan had hacked into | - That Mr. Keegan had hacked into |
697 | 00:30:16,951 | 00:30:18,751 | And manipulated the security cameras | And manipulated the security cameras |
698 | 00:30:18,819 | 00:30:20,453 | At Mr. Maxwell's apartment building, | At Mr. Maxwell's apartment building, |
699 | 00:30:20,521 | 00:30:23,756 | And Mr. Mason cracked and posted the Code | And Mr. Mason cracked and posted the Code |
700 | 00:30:23,824 | 00:30:26,059 | To the front door of his building, | To the front door of his building, |
701 | 00:30:26,126 | 00:30:28,962 | While ms. Sands obtained that information from the website | While ms. Sands obtained that information from the website |
702 | 00:30:29,029 | 00:30:31,531 | Less than an hour before she murdered Mr. Maxwell. | Less than an hour before she murdered Mr. Maxwell. |
703 | 00:30:31,598 | 00:30:32,899 | - Was there any sign | - Was there any sign |
704 | 00:30:32,967 | 00:30:35,902 | The defendants attempted to limit ms. Sands' access | The defendants attempted to limit ms. Sands' access |
705 | 00:30:35,970 | 00:30:37,570 | To that kind of information | To that kind of information |
706 | 00:30:37,638 | 00:30:41,808 | After they saw her hundreds of messages on the website | After they saw her hundreds of messages on the website |
707 | 00:30:41,875 | 00:30:44,944 | About the devil and angels | About the devil and angels |
708 | 00:30:45,012 | 00:30:46,879 | And death and doom and blood? | And death and doom and blood? |
709 | 00:30:46,947 | 00:30:47,947 | - No. | - No. |
710 | 00:30:48,015 | 00:30:50,049 | In fact, Mr. Leary made a point | In fact, Mr. Leary made a point |
711 | 00:30:50,117 | 00:30:52,118 | Of sending private e-mails to ms. Sands, | Of sending private e-mails to ms. Sands, |
712 | 00:30:52,186 | 00:30:54,821 | Alerting her whenever new information was posted. | Alerting her whenever new information was posted. |
713 | 00:30:54,888 | 00:30:57,156 | - Really? | - Really? |
714 | 00:30:57,224 | 00:30:58,758 | To your knowledge, detective, | To your knowledge, detective, |
715 | 00:30:58,826 | 00:31:02,128 | Was Mr. Leary aware of ms. Sands' delusional condition? | Was Mr. Leary aware of ms. Sands' delusional condition? |
716 | 00:31:02,196 | 00:31:03,129 | - Yes. | - Yes. |
717 | 00:31:03,197 | 00:31:05,164 | When we executed the warrant, | When we executed the warrant, |
718 | 00:31:05,232 | 00:31:08,568 | I asked him if he knew ms. Sands, and he said, | I asked him if he knew ms. Sands, and he said, |
719 | 00:31:08,635 | 00:31:13,139 | "the lady whose kid wasn't killed by a taxi? Yeah." | "the lady whose kid wasn't killed by a taxi? Yeah." |
720 | 00:31:13,207 | 00:31:16,342 | - So he knew she was delusional? | - So he knew she was delusional? |
721 | 00:31:16,410 | 00:31:19,012 | - That's what he said, yes. | - That's what he said, yes. |
722 | 00:31:19,079 | 00:31:21,114 | - Thank you. | - Thank you. |
723 | 00:31:25,586 | 00:31:27,487 | - You don't like Mr. Leary, do you? | - You don't like Mr. Leary, do you? |
724 | 00:31:27,554 | 00:31:30,990 | - I don't like him or not like him. | - I don't like him or not like him. |
725 | 00:31:31,058 | 00:31:33,026 | - But when he objected to your investigation of his website, | - But when he objected to your investigation of his website, |
726 | 00:31:33,093 | 00:31:34,627 | Didn't he organize people to call you | Didn't he organize people to call you |
727 | 00:31:34,695 | 00:31:38,731 | And accuse you of being fat and a Nazi? | And accuse you of being fat and a Nazi? |
728 | 00:31:38,799 | 00:31:40,900 | - Those people never said who told them to call. | - Those people never said who told them to call. |
729 | 00:31:40,968 | 00:31:42,402 | - Oh, so you didn't know that your phone number | - Oh, so you didn't know that your phone number |
730 | 00:31:42,469 | 00:31:44,037 | Was listed on Mr. Leary's website? | Was listed on Mr. Leary's website? |
731 | 00:31:44,104 | 00:31:45,972 | - I knew. | - I knew. |
732 | 00:31:46,040 | 00:31:48,441 | - When you served the warrant for his computers, | - When you served the warrant for his computers, |
733 | 00:31:48,509 | 00:31:50,376 | Didn't you complain that he had been harassing you? | Didn't you complain that he had been harassing you? |
734 | 00:31:50,444 | 00:31:52,211 | - I might have mentioned that. | - I might have mentioned that. |
735 | 00:31:52,279 | 00:31:54,280 | - Did you or didn't you accuse him of harassing you? | - Did you or didn't you accuse him of harassing you? |
736 | 00:31:54,348 | 00:31:56,482 | - I did. And he was. | - I did. And he was. |
737 | 00:31:56,550 | 00:31:58,418 | - So now you're telling us that this man, | - So now you're telling us that this man, |
738 | 00:31:58,485 | 00:32:01,587 | Who was harassing you, told you and only you | Who was harassing you, told you and only you |
739 | 00:32:01,655 | 00:32:03,990 | That he knew that ms. Sands was delusional. | That he knew that ms. Sands was delusional. |
740 | 00:32:04,058 | 00:32:05,892 | - Yes. | - Yes. |
741 | 00:32:05,959 | 00:32:07,460 | - Aren't you making that up 'cause it makes him look | - Aren't you making that up 'cause it makes him look |
742 | 00:32:07,528 | 00:32:08,761 | Like he was guilty of something? | Like he was guilty of something? |
743 | 00:32:08,829 | 00:32:10,096 | - No. | - No. |
744 | 00:32:10,164 | 00:32:11,597 | - 'cause you want to get back at the man | - 'cause you want to get back at the man |
745 | 00:32:11,665 | 00:32:12,799 | Who was harassing you? | Who was harassing you? |
746 | 00:32:12,866 | 00:32:14,000 | - No. | - No. |
747 | 00:32:14,068 | 00:32:15,668 | - You're not lying? | - You're not lying? |
748 | 00:32:15,736 | 00:32:16,669 | - No. | - No. |
749 | 00:32:16,737 | 00:32:19,305 | - Really? | - Really? |
750 | 00:32:23,811 | 00:32:26,645 | Detective Bernard, can you tell us who's in this picture? | Detective Bernard, can you tell us who's in this picture? |
751 | 00:32:26,702 | 00:32:28,603 | I have a copy for the district attorney. | I have a copy for the district attorney. |
752 | 00:32:40,083 | 00:32:41,550 | - Where did you get this? | - Where did you get this? |
753 | 00:32:41,617 | 00:32:43,585 | - Online, posted by a classmate of yours | - Online, posted by a classmate of yours |
754 | 00:32:43,653 | 00:32:44,753 | From the police academy | From the police academy |
755 | 00:32:44,821 | 00:32:47,289 | At some kind of graduation celebration. | At some kind of graduation celebration. |
756 | 00:32:47,356 | 00:32:48,457 | That is you in the picture, isn't it? | That is you in the picture, isn't it? |
757 | 00:32:48,524 | 00:32:50,025 | - Objection. What is the relevance of this? | - Objection. What is the relevance of this? |
758 | 00:32:50,093 | 00:32:51,560 | - It goes to the credibility of this witness, | - It goes to the credibility of this witness, |
759 | 00:32:51,627 | 00:32:53,095 | Which will become apparent very soon. | Which will become apparent very soon. |
760 | 00:32:53,162 | 00:32:54,429 | - It had better. | - It had better. |
761 | 00:32:54,497 | 00:32:55,997 | Proceed. | Proceed. |
762 | 00:32:56,065 | 00:32:57,232 | - Thank you. | - Thank you. |
763 | 00:32:57,300 | 00:33:01,236 | Detective, who is the young woman in the picture? | Detective, who is the young woman in the picture? |
764 | 00:33:01,304 | 00:33:03,472 | - Her name is Rosemary. | - Her name is Rosemary. |
765 | 00:33:03,539 | 00:33:05,440 | - Rosemary Franklin. Is that correct? | - Rosemary Franklin. Is that correct? |
766 | 00:33:05,508 | 00:33:07,042 | - Yes. | - Yes. |
767 | 00:33:07,110 | 00:33:09,978 | - Did you and she have a child together? | - Did you and she have a child together? |
768 | 00:33:16,452 | 00:33:17,719 | - Yes. | - Yes. |
769 | 00:33:17,787 | 00:33:21,089 | - And did you sign a child support agreement with her | - And did you sign a child support agreement with her |
770 | 00:33:21,157 | 00:33:22,357 | Before the baby was born? | Before the baby was born? |
771 | 00:33:22,425 | 00:33:24,226 | - Well, you know everything. Why ask me? | - Well, you know everything. Why ask me? |
772 | 00:33:24,293 | 00:33:25,894 | - Your honor. | - Your honor. |
773 | 00:33:30,766 | 00:33:32,134 | - Yes. | - Yes. |
774 | 00:33:32,201 | 00:33:35,070 | - Did you sign an agreement promising to pay ms. Franklin | - Did you sign an agreement promising to pay ms. Franklin |
775 | 00:33:35,138 | 00:33:38,073 | $500 a month to support that child? | $500 a month to support that child? |
776 | 00:33:38,141 | 00:33:40,442 | And did you fail to send that money three times | And did you fail to send that money three times |
777 | 00:33:40,510 | 00:33:41,476 | In the first six months? | In the first six months? |
778 | 00:33:41,544 | 00:33:43,645 | - There was a question about paternity. | - There was a question about paternity. |
779 | 00:33:43,713 | 00:33:46,081 | - Did you promise to pay and then fail to do so? | - Did you promise to pay and then fail to do so? |
780 | 00:33:49,752 | 00:33:51,119 | - If you lied to the mother of your child | - If you lied to the mother of your child |
781 | 00:33:51,187 | 00:33:53,421 | About supporting your son, | About supporting your son, |
782 | 00:33:53,489 | 00:33:56,191 | Why should we believe anything you say to us now? | Why should we believe anything you say to us now? |
783 | 00:34:05,134 | 00:34:06,902 | - You couldn't do something to stop that? | - You couldn't do something to stop that? |
784 | 00:34:06,969 | 00:34:08,937 | - No. No, I couldn't. - Hey, you have a kid? | - No. No, I couldn't. - Hey, you have a kid? |
785 | 00:34:09,005 | 00:34:11,106 | - Look, I'd just finished the academy, all right? | - Look, I'd just finished the academy, all right? |
786 | 00:34:11,174 | 00:34:12,307 | I busted loose a little. | I busted loose a little. |
787 | 00:34:12,375 | 00:34:13,842 | There were some cop groupies at a bar. | There were some cop groupies at a bar. |
788 | 00:34:13,910 | 00:34:16,411 | Once the blood test came back, I paid every month. | Once the blood test came back, I paid every month. |
789 | 00:34:16,479 | 00:34:18,547 | - Look, we'll bring that out on redirect. | - Look, we'll bring that out on redirect. |
790 | 00:34:18,614 | 00:34:19,648 | We have to recoup. | We have to recoup. |
791 | 00:34:19,715 | 00:34:22,417 | - Look, I don't want to talk about it! | - Look, I don't want to talk about it! |
792 | 00:34:22,485 | 00:34:25,687 | Hey. Hey! - B! | Hey. Hey! - B! |
793 | 00:34:25,755 | 00:34:27,889 | - How much trash did your people have to sort through | - How much trash did your people have to sort through |
794 | 00:34:27,957 | 00:34:29,024 | To dig this up? | To dig this up? |
795 | 00:34:29,091 | 00:34:31,092 | - The photo, the agreement, the violations, | - The photo, the agreement, the violations, |
796 | 00:34:31,160 | 00:34:32,761 | It's all on the internet. You just gotta know how to look. | It's all on the internet. You just gotta know how to look. |
797 | 00:34:32,828 | 00:34:34,796 | - Yeah, so this is how you defend yourself, huh? | - Yeah, so this is how you defend yourself, huh? |
798 | 00:34:34,864 | 00:34:36,298 | Dragging people through the mud? | Dragging people through the mud? |
799 | 00:34:36,365 | 00:34:38,533 | He's a ten-year-old boy. - All right, come on, b. | He's a ten-year-old boy. - All right, come on, b. |
800 | 00:34:38,601 | 00:34:40,202 | - No, no, no, no, no, no! You want to play dirty, huh? | - No, no, no, no, no, no! You want to play dirty, huh? |
801 | 00:34:40,269 | 00:34:41,803 | Huh? You want to get personal? | Huh? You want to get personal? |
802 | 00:34:41,871 | 00:34:43,104 | - Detective! | - Detective! |
803 | 00:34:55,885 | 00:34:58,153 | - That didn't help. - What do you expect? | - That didn't help. - What do you expect? |
804 | 00:34:58,221 | 00:35:00,422 | - That a thin-skinned cop doesn't destroy my case. | - That a thin-skinned cop doesn't destroy my case. |
805 | 00:35:00,489 | 00:35:01,423 | - Mike. | - Mike. |
806 | 00:35:01,490 | 00:35:02,757 | - Look, do you realize | - Look, do you realize |
807 | 00:35:02,825 | 00:35:04,893 | How much his testimony is worth right now? | How much his testimony is worth right now? |
808 | 00:35:04,961 | 00:35:06,461 | - All right, listen. | - All right, listen. |
809 | 00:35:06,529 | 00:35:08,930 | Leary told him he knew about Kerry sands and her daughter. | Leary told him he knew about Kerry sands and her daughter. |
810 | 00:35:08,998 | 00:35:10,465 | - Yes, but who's going to believe it? | - Yes, but who's going to believe it? |
811 | 00:35:10,533 | 00:35:11,933 | - I do. You do. | - I do. You do. |
812 | 00:35:12,001 | 00:35:13,335 | All we have to do is find out | All we have to do is find out |
813 | 00:35:13,402 | 00:35:15,203 | How Leary knew the woman is nuts. | How Leary knew the woman is nuts. |
814 | 00:35:15,271 | 00:35:16,938 | We get that into evidence, it won't matter | We get that into evidence, it won't matter |
815 | 00:35:17,006 | 00:35:18,273 | What he did or didn't say to Bernard. | What he did or didn't say to Bernard. |
816 | 00:35:18,341 | 00:35:20,375 | - Okay, okay, but Leary's not going to tell us, | - Okay, okay, but Leary's not going to tell us, |
817 | 00:35:20,443 | 00:35:22,477 | And Kerry sands is in cuckoo-land, | And Kerry sands is in cuckoo-land, |
818 | 00:35:22,545 | 00:35:23,812 | So how are we going to find out? | So how are we going to find out? |
819 | 00:35:23,879 | 00:35:26,081 | - There's got to be a record somewhere-- | - There's got to be a record somewhere-- |
820 | 00:35:26,148 | 00:35:28,250 | A meeting, a conversation, an e-mail. | A meeting, a conversation, an e-mail. |
821 | 00:35:28,317 | 00:35:32,120 | - Something somewhere. Pretty big haystack. | - Something somewhere. Pretty big haystack. |
822 | 00:35:35,391 | 00:35:37,826 | - He was texting on the fdr drive | - He was texting on the fdr drive |
823 | 00:35:37,893 | 00:35:40,295 | And almost ran a car with three kids in it off the road. | And almost ran a car with three kids in it off the road. |
824 | 00:35:40,363 | 00:35:42,364 | One of our members analyzed the photo | One of our members analyzed the photo |
825 | 00:35:42,431 | 00:35:45,767 | And determined it was going 73 miles per hour at the time. | And determined it was going 73 miles per hour at the time. |
826 | 00:35:45,835 | 00:35:48,336 | Sid Maxwell deserved to be exposed. | Sid Maxwell deserved to be exposed. |
827 | 00:35:48,404 | 00:35:51,640 | The point was to get him to change his ways | The point was to get him to change his ways |
828 | 00:35:51,707 | 00:35:52,874 | Before he killed someone. | Before he killed someone. |
829 | 00:35:52,942 | 00:35:54,976 | - But not to kill him? | - But not to kill him? |
830 | 00:35:55,044 | 00:35:57,145 | - We're not murderers. | - We're not murderers. |
831 | 00:35:57,213 | 00:35:59,314 | We spend our days in front of computers. | We spend our days in front of computers. |
832 | 00:35:59,382 | 00:36:01,683 | We're just a bunch of well-meaning nerds | We're just a bunch of well-meaning nerds |
833 | 00:36:01,751 | 00:36:03,385 | Who want to make this city a better place. | Who want to make this city a better place. |
834 | 00:36:03,452 | 00:36:05,453 | - Thank you. | - Thank you. |
835 | 00:36:06,989 | 00:36:11,026 | - So you and your colleagues don't get out much? | - So you and your colleagues don't get out much? |
836 | 00:36:11,093 | 00:36:13,762 | Then why did you post Mr. Maxwell's address | Then why did you post Mr. Maxwell's address |
837 | 00:36:13,829 | 00:36:15,030 | On your site? | On your site? |
838 | 00:36:15,097 | 00:36:17,399 | - In case somebody wanted to write him a letter. | - In case somebody wanted to write him a letter. |
839 | 00:36:17,466 | 00:36:20,502 | - And the Code to his building's door? | - And the Code to his building's door? |
840 | 00:36:20,569 | 00:36:22,304 | From your website, uh, | From your website, uh, |
841 | 00:36:22,371 | 00:36:25,707 | "in case anybody wants to drop by | "in case anybody wants to drop by |
842 | 00:36:25,775 | 00:36:28,176 | And teach this jerk some manners." | And teach this jerk some manners." |
843 | 00:36:28,244 | 00:36:30,679 | - Some people feel very strongly | - Some people feel very strongly |
844 | 00:36:30,746 | 00:36:32,881 | About people like Sid Maxwell. | About people like Sid Maxwell. |
845 | 00:36:32,948 | 00:36:34,949 | There was a woman in China who crushed-- | There was a woman in China who crushed-- |
846 | 00:36:35,017 | 00:36:36,718 | - I know. Crushed a kitten. | - I know. Crushed a kitten. |
847 | 00:36:36,786 | 00:36:40,522 | So emotions run high? - They can. | So emotions run high? - They can. |
848 | 00:36:40,589 | 00:36:42,190 | Sometimes people want to confront | Sometimes people want to confront |
849 | 00:36:42,258 | 00:36:43,491 | People like that in person. | People like that in person. |
850 | 00:36:43,559 | 00:36:44,526 | Sometimes that's the only way | Sometimes that's the only way |
851 | 00:36:44,593 | 00:36:46,461 | People like that get the message. | People like that get the message. |
852 | 00:36:46,529 | 00:36:48,730 | - "people like that." including Sid Maxwell? | - "people like that." including Sid Maxwell? |
853 | 00:36:48,798 | 00:36:50,732 | - Yes, but that doesn't mean that I, | - Yes, but that doesn't mean that I, |
854 | 00:36:50,800 | 00:36:52,667 | Or anyone else on flashposse.Net, | Or anyone else on flashposse.Net, |
855 | 00:36:52,735 | 00:36:54,202 | Thought he'd be physically harmed. | Thought he'd be physically harmed. |
856 | 00:36:54,270 | 00:36:56,237 | - Not even by Kerry sands, | - Not even by Kerry sands, |
857 | 00:36:56,305 | 00:36:59,674 | Who posted 400 messages | Who posted 400 messages |
858 | 00:36:59,742 | 00:37:03,144 | About revenge and the devil and death? | About revenge and the devil and death? |
859 | 00:37:03,212 | 00:37:06,314 | - Have you ever read the internet, Mr. Cutter? | - Have you ever read the internet, Mr. Cutter? |
860 | 00:37:06,382 | 00:37:10,385 | It's full of ranting and raving and exaggerated threats. | It's full of ranting and raving and exaggerated threats. |
861 | 00:37:10,453 | 00:37:13,288 | Everyone says everyone else should drop dead. | Everyone says everyone else should drop dead. |
862 | 00:37:13,356 | 00:37:16,057 | It's just a place for letting off steam. | It's just a place for letting off steam. |
863 | 00:37:16,125 | 00:37:17,258 | - So you thought Kerry sands | - So you thought Kerry sands |
864 | 00:37:17,326 | 00:37:19,260 | Was just letting off harmless steam? | Was just letting off harmless steam? |
865 | 00:37:19,328 | 00:37:20,895 | - She and 50 million other people. | - She and 50 million other people. |
866 | 00:37:20,963 | 00:37:23,465 | - Even though you knew she was living | - Even though you knew she was living |
867 | 00:37:23,532 | 00:37:25,567 | In the midst of a psychotic delusion. | In the midst of a psychotic delusion. |
868 | 00:37:25,634 | 00:37:26,768 | - I didn't know that. | - I didn't know that. |
869 | 00:37:26,836 | 00:37:28,970 | - You told detective Bernard. | - You told detective Bernard. |
870 | 00:37:29,038 | 00:37:30,505 | - I never told him that. | - I never told him that. |
871 | 00:37:30,573 | 00:37:32,474 | Couldn't have. I didn't know it. | Couldn't have. I didn't know it. |
872 | 00:37:40,049 | 00:37:42,350 | - It's from lupo. | - It's from lupo. |
873 | 00:37:47,089 | 00:37:50,925 | - Mr. Leary, | - Mr. Leary, |
874 | 00:37:50,993 | 00:37:53,795 | Were you with Kerry sands last August 20th | Were you with Kerry sands last August 20th |
875 | 00:37:53,863 | 00:37:56,231 | When she physically assaulted a cabdriver | When she physically assaulted a cabdriver |
876 | 00:37:56,298 | 00:38:00,935 | Who she accused of being the evil spawn of Satan? | Who she accused of being the evil spawn of Satan? |
877 | 00:38:01,003 | 00:38:02,804 | - Uh, your honor, this is the first we've heard | - Uh, your honor, this is the first we've heard |
878 | 00:38:02,872 | 00:38:04,005 | Of any such alleged incident. | Of any such alleged incident. |
879 | 00:38:04,073 | 00:38:05,540 | If the people have some supposed evidence, | If the people have some supposed evidence, |
880 | 00:38:05,608 | 00:38:06,808 | I'd like to see it. | I'd like to see it. |
881 | 00:38:06,876 | 00:38:09,144 | - New information has just come to our attention. | - New information has just come to our attention. |
882 | 00:38:09,211 | 00:38:11,112 | - Then share it with the defense. | - Then share it with the defense. |
883 | 00:38:11,180 | 00:38:12,914 | We'll recess until tomorrow. | We'll recess until tomorrow. |
884 | 00:38:12,982 | 00:38:14,482 | [gavel bangs] | [gavel bangs] |
885 | 00:38:17,920 | 00:38:19,320 | - Now we knew Kerry sands | - Now we knew Kerry sands |
886 | 00:38:19,388 | 00:38:21,089 | Had a thing for cabdrivers, right? | Had a thing for cabdrivers, right? |
887 | 00:38:21,157 | 00:38:22,824 | Well, there are cabs around all the time, | Well, there are cabs around all the time, |
888 | 00:38:22,892 | 00:38:24,893 | So I figured she might have had some interaction. | So I figured she might have had some interaction. |
889 | 00:38:24,960 | 00:38:27,028 | It was just a matter of checking drivers' logs. | It was just a matter of checking drivers' logs. |
890 | 00:38:27,096 | 00:38:29,464 | - There are 13,000 taxis in New York city. | - There are 13,000 taxis in New York city. |
891 | 00:38:29,532 | 00:38:31,433 | - All right, so it was kind of labor-intensive. | - All right, so it was kind of labor-intensive. |
892 | 00:38:31,500 | 00:38:32,867 | Now, there were 209 | Now, there were 209 |
893 | 00:38:32,935 | 00:38:35,370 | That reported violent behavior by women in the last year. | That reported violent behavior by women in the last year. |
894 | 00:38:35,438 | 00:38:36,938 | 102 of those were on the street | 102 of those were on the street |
895 | 00:38:37,006 | 00:38:39,407 | In range of atm or other security cameras. | In range of atm or other security cameras. |
896 | 00:38:39,475 | 00:38:41,643 | - That's hundreds of cameras, all on different systems. | - That's hundreds of cameras, all on different systems. |
897 | 00:38:41,710 | 00:38:46,247 | - Right, so here's a camera still of Kerry sands | - Right, so here's a camera still of Kerry sands |
898 | 00:38:46,315 | 00:38:48,883 | Assaulting a driver on 42nd street. | Assaulting a driver on 42nd street. |
899 | 00:38:48,951 | 00:38:50,385 | I talked to the driver. | I talked to the driver. |
900 | 00:38:50,453 | 00:38:51,519 | He said she was screaming | He said she was screaming |
901 | 00:38:51,587 | 00:38:53,822 | That the devil told him to murder her daughter. | That the devil told him to murder her daughter. |
902 | 00:38:53,889 | 00:38:56,357 | - And to find him, you searched 13,000 taxi logs | - And to find him, you searched 13,000 taxi logs |
903 | 00:38:56,425 | 00:38:59,327 | And then every security camera near 209 incidents? | And then every security camera near 209 incidents? |
904 | 00:38:59,395 | 00:39:00,762 | - Sort of. | - Sort of. |
905 | 00:39:00,830 | 00:39:02,831 | The driver also told me there was a man with Kerry sands. | The driver also told me there was a man with Kerry sands. |
906 | 00:39:02,898 | 00:39:05,433 | He walked away after she started getting violent. | He walked away after she started getting violent. |
907 | 00:39:05,501 | 00:39:06,501 | This is him, right here. | This is him, right here. |
908 | 00:39:06,569 | 00:39:08,570 | - All I can see is the back of his head. | - All I can see is the back of his head. |
909 | 00:39:08,637 | 00:39:11,172 | - You see the reflection in the store window there? | - You see the reflection in the store window there? |
910 | 00:39:11,240 | 00:39:15,376 | With the right software, boom. | With the right software, boom. |
911 | 00:39:15,444 | 00:39:17,445 | - Leary. | - Leary. |
912 | 00:39:17,513 | 00:39:21,783 | - Did you have a subpoena for the cameras | - Did you have a subpoena for the cameras |
913 | 00:39:21,851 | 00:39:23,017 | For any of this? | For any of this? |
914 | 00:39:23,085 | 00:39:25,053 | - I'm not the one who got 'em. | - I'm not the one who got 'em. |
915 | 00:39:25,120 | 00:39:27,856 | This took a few thousand people working around the clock. | This took a few thousand people working around the clock. |
916 | 00:39:27,923 | 00:39:29,724 | - The entire nypd? | - The entire nypd? |
917 | 00:39:29,792 | 00:39:32,927 | - Chinese people. A "human flesh search engine." | - Chinese people. A "human flesh search engine." |
918 | 00:39:32,995 | 00:39:34,996 | I have a friend in the shanghai p.D. | I have a friend in the shanghai p.D. |
919 | 00:39:35,064 | 00:39:36,030 | From my days in intel. | From my days in intel. |
920 | 00:39:36,098 | 00:39:38,132 | I told him a cop needed a hand. | I told him a cop needed a hand. |
921 | 00:39:38,200 | 00:39:40,235 | - Fire with fire. | - Fire with fire. |
922 | 00:39:40,302 | 00:39:42,871 | Our internet posse against Leary's. | Our internet posse against Leary's. |
923 | 00:39:42,938 | 00:39:46,407 | - And none of these came from Leary's home or office. | - And none of these came from Leary's home or office. |
924 | 00:39:46,475 | 00:39:48,042 | - It's admissible. | - It's admissible. |
925 | 00:39:52,414 | 00:39:54,549 | - Mr. Leary, can you tell us | - Mr. Leary, can you tell us |
926 | 00:39:54,617 | 00:39:55,884 | What's happening in this picture? | What's happening in this picture? |
927 | 00:39:55,951 | 00:39:58,219 | - Your honor, may we approach? | - Your honor, may we approach? |
928 | 00:40:02,825 | 00:40:04,192 | - We're still not satisfied | - We're still not satisfied |
929 | 00:40:04,260 | 00:40:05,727 | As to the origin of this material. | As to the origin of this material. |
930 | 00:40:05,794 | 00:40:06,728 | - Why, it came from a lamppost security camera. | - Why, it came from a lamppost security camera. |
931 | 00:40:06,795 | 00:40:08,162 | - Where'd the state get it? | - Where'd the state get it? |
932 | 00:40:08,230 | 00:40:09,163 | There's no record of any process being served. | There's no record of any process being served. |
933 | 00:40:09,231 | 00:40:10,298 | - It doesn't matter. | - It doesn't matter. |
934 | 00:40:10,366 | 00:40:12,267 | Mr. Leary has no expectation of privacy | Mr. Leary has no expectation of privacy |
935 | 00:40:12,334 | 00:40:13,268 | In the middle of 42nd street. | In the middle of 42nd street. |
936 | 00:40:13,335 | 00:40:14,769 | - Even if he didn't, | - Even if he didn't, |
937 | 00:40:14,837 | 00:40:17,138 | There's no context to explain what's happening here. | There's no context to explain what's happening here. |
938 | 00:40:17,206 | 00:40:20,108 | - I'll ask him to explain, and if he can't remember, | - I'll ask him to explain, and if he can't remember, |
939 | 00:40:20,175 | 00:40:22,343 | Then we'll bring in the taxi driver. | Then we'll bring in the taxi driver. |
940 | 00:40:22,411 | 00:40:24,445 | - That works, Mr. Margolis. | - That works, Mr. Margolis. |
941 | 00:40:24,513 | 00:40:28,283 | Mr. Cutter, you may proceed. | Mr. Cutter, you may proceed. |
942 | 00:40:28,350 | 00:40:31,319 | - Now you told us yesterday, Mr. Leary, | - Now you told us yesterday, Mr. Leary, |
943 | 00:40:31,387 | 00:40:33,488 | That you had no idea | That you had no idea |
944 | 00:40:33,556 | 00:40:38,693 | Kerry sands was violent or delusional. | Kerry sands was violent or delusional. |
945 | 00:40:38,761 | 00:40:42,230 | Doesn't this picture show us that you did know? | Doesn't this picture show us that you did know? |
946 | 00:40:42,298 | 00:40:45,733 | - That's arguable. | - That's arguable. |
947 | 00:40:45,801 | 00:40:50,505 | - It was a crazy, violent outburst | - It was a crazy, violent outburst |
948 | 00:40:50,573 | 00:40:52,273 | Right in front of your face. | Right in front of your face. |
949 | 00:40:52,341 | 00:40:58,112 | But you still kept goading her to go after Sid Maxwell. | But you still kept goading her to go after Sid Maxwell. |
950 | 00:40:58,180 | 00:40:59,514 | - [exhales] | - [exhales] |
951 | 00:41:04,286 | 00:41:06,454 | [sighs] | [sighs] |
952 | 00:41:08,324 | 00:41:11,793 | I never told her to kill anybody. | I never told her to kill anybody. |
953 | 00:41:11,860 | 00:41:14,796 | - The woman was dangerously out of control. | - The woman was dangerously out of control. |
954 | 00:41:14,863 | 00:41:16,464 | What did you expect? | What did you expect? |
955 | 00:41:16,532 | 00:41:19,667 | What did you reasonably expect? | What did you reasonably expect? |
956 | 00:41:28,077 | 00:41:31,346 | - Yeah. All right. | - Yeah. All right. |
957 | 00:41:31,413 | 00:41:32,513 | That was cutter. | That was cutter. |
958 | 00:41:32,581 | 00:41:34,215 | Leary and the others took pleas. | Leary and the others took pleas. |
959 | 00:41:34,283 | 00:41:37,051 | They're going away for manslaughter. | They're going away for manslaughter. |
960 | 00:41:37,119 | 00:41:38,553 | - Good. | - Good. |
961 | 00:41:38,621 | 00:41:41,222 | - Thank you. [clears throat] | - Thank you. [clears throat] |
962 | 00:41:46,328 | 00:41:47,962 | You know, | You know, |
963 | 00:41:48,030 | 00:41:51,265 | If we'd have known... | If we'd have known... |
964 | 00:41:51,333 | 00:41:53,067 | I mean, I would have | I mean, I would have |
965 | 00:41:53,135 | 00:41:55,103 | Put myself out there as the target. | Put myself out there as the target. |
966 | 00:41:57,573 | 00:42:00,375 | - I never thought they would dig that up. | - I never thought they would dig that up. |
967 | 00:42:03,178 | 00:42:04,712 | - How is the kid? | - How is the kid? |
968 | 00:42:06,915 | 00:42:09,384 | - His mother and I... | - His mother and I... |
969 | 00:42:09,451 | 00:42:13,154 | She ended up marrying her actual boyfriend. | She ended up marrying her actual boyfriend. |
970 | 00:42:13,222 | 00:42:16,090 | We both decided that it would be better-- | We both decided that it would be better-- |
971 | 00:42:16,158 | 00:42:18,693 | Less confusing-- if I didn't see him. | Less confusing-- if I didn't see him. |