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1 00:00:03,916 00:00:05,701 [ Water gurgling ] [ Water gurgling ]
2 00:00:05,744 00:00:08,443 [ Ticking ] [ Ticking ]
3 00:00:08,486 00:00:10,010 Therapist: Clarice. Therapist: Clarice.
4 00:00:11,489 00:00:12,969 I thought it was done. I thought it was done.
5 00:00:13,013 00:00:15,058 [ Electricity crackles, flash bulbs pop ] [ Electricity crackles, flash bulbs pop ]
6 00:00:17,104 00:00:20,020 Buffalo Bill took seven women. Buffalo Bill took seven women.
7 00:00:22,457 00:00:24,459 [ Dog barking ] [ Dog barking ]
8 00:00:24,502 00:00:27,549 He skinned six -- He skinned six --
9 00:00:27,592 00:00:28,724 six of them. six of them.
10 00:00:28,767 00:00:30,987 [ Pop music plays] [ Pop music plays]
11 00:00:31,770 00:00:35,209 I saved one -- I saved one --
12 00:00:35,252 00:00:38,690 the last one... the last one...
13 00:00:38,734 00:00:39,691 Catherine. Catherine.
14 00:00:39,735 00:00:42,216 [ Screams ] [ Screams ]
15 00:00:44,783 00:00:46,742 Clarice: It's been a year since. Clarice: It's been a year since.
16 00:00:46,785 00:00:48,744 I put it behind me, I put it behind me,
17 00:00:48,787 00:00:50,398 but last week, but last week,
18 00:00:50,441 00:00:52,574 some of the families wanted to make statements. some of the families wanted to make statements.
19 00:00:52,617 00:00:55,881 ♪♪ ♪♪
20 00:00:55,925 00:00:57,796 Close the book. Close the book.
21 00:00:57,840 00:00:59,015 [ Camera shutters clicking ] [ Camera shutters clicking ]
22 00:00:59,059 00:01:02,497 Such a sad, strange anniversary. Such a sad, strange anniversary.
23 00:01:02,540 00:01:05,761 I wanted to be present for the families of the victims. I wanted to be present for the families of the victims.
24 00:01:05,804 00:01:08,590 [ Reporters shouting ] [ Reporters shouting ]
25 00:01:08,633 00:01:11,419 [ Camera shutters clicking ] [ Camera shutters clicking ]
26 00:01:11,462 00:01:17,555 ♪♪ ♪♪
27 00:01:17,599 00:01:18,774 When I came out of Justice, When I came out of Justice,
28 00:01:18,817 00:01:22,952 they were all just... everywhere. they were all just... everywhere.
29 00:01:22,995 00:01:24,649 [ Shouting continues ] [ Shouting continues ]
30 00:01:24,693 00:01:29,915 ♪♪ ♪♪
31 00:01:29,959 00:01:31,787 Sorry you had to see this here, Clarice. Sorry you had to see this here, Clarice.
32 00:01:31,830 00:01:33,789 It was left in my waiting area. It was left in my waiting area.
33 00:01:33,832 00:01:36,705 The press can't seem tolet you go. The press can't seem tolet you go.
34 00:01:36,748 00:01:38,968 Well, I suppose there are a few advantages, sir. Well, I suppose there are a few advantages, sir.
35 00:01:39,011 00:01:40,274 The checkout lady at the Safeway The checkout lady at the Safeway
36 00:01:40,317 00:01:42,319 asked me to autograph a melon. asked me to autograph a melon.
37 00:01:42,363 00:01:44,365 [ Chuckles ]I imagine it might cause [ Chuckles ]I imagine it might cause
38 00:01:44,408 00:01:46,802 real resentment with your colleagues. real resentment with your colleagues.
39 00:01:46,845 00:01:49,631 The famous face of the FBI, just a year out of the Academy. The famous face of the FBI, just a year out of the Academy.
40 00:01:49,674 00:01:53,983 Well, sometimes we duke it out at the vending machine. Well, sometimes we duke it out at the vending machine.
41 00:01:55,289 00:01:56,290 Not really. Not really.
42 00:01:56,333 00:01:59,162 Um, I feed data into computers. Um, I feed data into computers.
43 00:01:59,206 00:02:00,772 I'm what they call an "Igor" I'm what they call an "Igor"
44 00:02:00,816 00:02:02,122 in the Behavioral Sciences Lab. in the Behavioral Sciences Lab.
45 00:02:02,165 00:02:03,906 I'm not the face of anything, sir. I'm not the face of anything, sir.
46 00:02:03,949 00:02:06,474 Well, this says differently. Well, this says differently.
47 00:02:06,517 00:02:10,042 "Buffalo Bill's House of Horrors: "Buffalo Bill's House of Horrors:
48 00:02:10,086 00:02:12,480 Will the Survivors Ever Speak??" Will the Survivors Ever Speak??"
49 00:02:12,523 00:02:14,656 [ Gunshot ] [ Gunshot ]
50 00:02:14,699 00:02:16,962 [ Gasps ] [ Gasps ]
51 00:02:17,006 00:02:21,837 ♪♪ ♪♪
52 00:02:21,880 00:02:24,927 There were no survivors. There were no survivors.
53 00:02:24,970 00:02:26,842 But youwere a survivor. But youwere a survivor.
54 00:02:26,885 00:02:28,931 I mean... I mean...
55 00:02:28,974 00:02:31,586 to be a survivor, you have to be a victim. to be a survivor, you have to be a victim.
56 00:02:31,629 00:02:33,109 I was just doing my job. I was just doing my job.
57 00:02:33,153 00:02:35,155 Yeah, but it wasn't your job. Yeah, but it wasn't your job.
58 00:02:37,592 00:02:40,203 You were still a trainee when you stopped Buffalo Bill You were still a trainee when you stopped Buffalo Bill
59 00:02:40,247 00:02:42,379 from skinning and killing more women. from skinning and killing more women.
60 00:02:45,165 00:02:47,079 Excuse me -- He killed them before. Excuse me -- He killed them before.
61 00:02:47,123 00:02:50,126 Is that distinction important to you? Is that distinction important to you?
62 00:02:51,562 00:02:53,173 Yes, sir. Yes, sir.
63 00:02:53,216 00:02:55,871 It is important to me that he did not skin them alive. It is important to me that he did not skin them alive.
64 00:02:55,914 00:02:57,699 Do you ever speak with her? Do you ever speak with her?
65 00:02:57,742 00:02:59,179 Catherine Martin? Catherine Martin?
66 00:03:01,790 00:03:04,227 I'm not really sure what there would be to speak about, sir. I'm not really sure what there would be to speak about, sir.
67 00:03:04,271 00:03:06,186 You keep in touch with the other victims' families. You keep in touch with the other victims' families.
68 00:03:06,229 00:03:08,100 You write to them. You check in. You write to them. You check in.
69 00:03:08,144 00:03:09,537 But not Catherine. But not Catherine.
70 00:03:09,580 00:03:11,060 Sir, I understand Sir, I understand
71 00:03:11,103 00:03:12,540 it would be easier for everyone it would be easier for everyone
72 00:03:12,583 00:03:16,239 if I just became comfortable with the term "survivor." if I just became comfortable with the term "survivor."
73 00:03:16,283 00:03:19,155 I've found most people need me to be just the one thing, I've found most people need me to be just the one thing,
74 00:03:19,199 00:03:21,331 a simple thing. a simple thing.
75 00:03:21,375 00:03:23,768 So they can...relax, I guess. So they can...relax, I guess.
76 00:03:23,812 00:03:26,858 Clarice, you've beendeflecting like a pro for a full year now. Clarice, you've beendeflecting like a pro for a full year now.
77 00:03:26,902 00:03:28,904 Sir, I'm mandated to come here and speak with you, and -- Sir, I'm mandated to come here and speak with you, and --
78 00:03:28,947 00:03:30,122 Which is understandable, Which is understandable,
79 00:03:30,166 00:03:32,386 given your last therapist was an inmate given your last therapist was an inmate
80 00:03:32,429 00:03:35,084 in the Baltimore Hospital for the Criminally Insane in the Baltimore Hospital for the Criminally Insane
81 00:03:35,127 00:03:37,695 and, you know, ate his patients. and, you know, ate his patients.
82 00:03:37,739 00:03:39,175 He was not my therapist. He was not my therapist.
83 00:03:39,219 00:03:41,221 It was a quid pro quo. It was a quid pro quo.
84 00:03:41,264 00:03:42,613 He wanted pieces --Pieces of your life, He wanted pieces --Pieces of your life,
85 00:03:42,657 00:03:44,920 in exchange for his insights into Buffalo Bill. in exchange for his insights into Buffalo Bill.
86 00:03:44,963 00:03:46,704 But you were specifically told But you were specifically told
87 00:03:46,748 00:03:48,315 not to give him any information, Clarice. not to give him any information, Clarice.
88 00:03:48,358 00:03:49,490 We only had three days. We only had three days.
89 00:03:49,533 00:03:52,101 You let that relationship be intimate. You let that relationship be intimate.
90 00:03:52,144 00:03:53,624 How do you carry that? How do you carry that?
91 00:03:53,668 00:03:55,757 How do you carry his rage? How do you carry his rage?
92 00:03:55,800 00:03:57,759 Buffalo Bill's rage? Buffalo Bill's rage?
93 00:03:57,802 00:03:59,282 [ Water gurgling ] [ Water gurgling ]
94 00:03:59,326 00:04:00,718 I'll put it another way -- I'll put it another way --
95 00:04:00,762 00:04:02,851 What do you do with all yourrage? What do you do with all yourrage?
96 00:04:02,894 00:04:05,984 It's not really something I think about, sir. It's not really something I think about, sir.
97 00:04:06,028 00:04:07,551 Okay, Clarice, Okay, Clarice,
98 00:04:07,595 00:04:09,292 I'm gonna tell you what I see. I'm gonna tell you what I see.
99 00:04:09,336 00:04:11,294 I see an agent who seems to be adopting I see an agent who seems to be adopting
100 00:04:11,338 00:04:12,687 the families of murdered women, the families of murdered women,
101 00:04:12,730 00:04:14,471 but hasn't seen her own family in years. but hasn't seen her own family in years.
102 00:04:14,515 00:04:16,691 I see an agent who's buried herself I see an agent who's buried herself
103 00:04:16,734 00:04:18,562 in the basement of the Behavioral Sciences Unit in the basement of the Behavioral Sciences Unit
104 00:04:18,606 00:04:20,129 and rarely sees the light of day. and rarely sees the light of day.
105 00:04:20,172 00:04:21,957 The light doesn't matter that much to me. Really. The light doesn't matter that much to me. Really.
106 00:04:22,000 00:04:24,351 And I see an agent who just told me And I see an agent who just told me
107 00:04:24,394 00:04:27,223 that she doesn't consider Catherine Martin to be alive, that she doesn't consider Catherine Martin to be alive,
108 00:04:27,267 00:04:28,703 despite having saved her life. despite having saved her life.
109 00:04:28,746 00:04:29,965 These things make me think, These things make me think,
110 00:04:30,008 00:04:31,575 "This agent needs to be out of rotation "This agent needs to be out of rotation
111 00:04:31,619 00:04:35,362 until she can heal from PTSD of the most egregious kind." until she can heal from PTSD of the most egregious kind."
112 00:04:37,929 00:04:42,630 Sir, I'm gonna tread carefully here Sir, I'm gonna tread carefully here
113 00:04:42,673 00:04:45,981 because I know what you write in there because I know what you write in there
114 00:04:46,024 00:04:47,765 can make my job harder. can make my job harder.
115 00:04:47,809 00:04:48,940 Please. Please.
116 00:04:48,984 00:04:51,552 This tabloid has never been opened. This tabloid has never been opened.
117 00:04:51,595 00:04:53,162 It's pristine. It's pristine.
118 00:04:53,205 00:04:54,772 No one left it here, sir. No one left it here, sir.
119 00:04:54,816 00:04:58,820 You wanted me to see it, to get me talking. You wanted me to see it, to get me talking.
120 00:04:58,863 00:05:01,213 Is that accurate? Is that accurate?
121 00:05:01,257 00:05:04,129 I'll ask you again, Clarice -- I'll ask you again, Clarice --
122 00:05:04,173 00:05:06,828 What do you do with all your rage? What do you do with all your rage?
123 00:05:06,871 00:05:08,177 [ Knock on door ] [ Knock on door ]
124 00:05:08,220 00:05:09,613 Doctor, I'm sorry. Doctor, I'm sorry.
125 00:05:09,657 00:05:11,485 Excuse me. This is a private session. Excuse me. This is a private session.
126 00:05:11,528 00:05:13,182 Doctor, I have orders to get her to Washington. Doctor, I have orders to get her to Washington.
127 00:05:13,225 00:05:14,749 I'm not prepared to sign off on her. I'm not prepared to sign off on her.
128 00:05:14,792 00:05:16,403 This request comes from Ruth Martin, This request comes from Ruth Martin,
129 00:05:16,446 00:05:18,013 the Attorney General of the United States of America. the Attorney General of the United States of America.
130 00:05:18,056 00:05:21,538 It's an urgent matter, and Starling is needed right now. It's an urgent matter, and Starling is needed right now.
131 00:05:21,582 00:05:23,627 Um, why me, sir? Um, why me, sir?
132 00:05:23,671 00:05:25,194 You don't get to ask why, Starling. You don't get to ask why, Starling.
133 00:05:25,237 00:05:26,413 Let's go pack a bag. Let's go pack a bag.
134 00:05:26,456 00:05:28,284 You'll be gone a while. You'll be gone a while.
135 00:05:28,328 00:05:32,723 ♪ There's power in the blood ♪ There's power in the blood
136 00:05:32,767 00:05:37,119 ♪♪ ♪♪
137 00:05:38,642 00:05:44,866 ♪♪ ♪♪
138 00:05:44,909 00:05:51,089 ♪♪ ♪♪
139 00:05:51,133 00:05:52,526 The press is outside the mayor's window. The press is outside the mayor's window.
140 00:05:52,569 00:05:54,223 Madam Attorney General, they need you Madam Attorney General, they need you
141 00:05:54,266 00:05:55,529 to make the statement. to make the statement.
142 00:05:55,572 00:05:58,532 I will make the damn statement -- 20 minutes. I will make the damn statement -- 20 minutes.
143 00:05:58,575 00:05:59,968 Woman:The Attorney General Woman:The Attorney General
144 00:06:00,011 00:06:01,535 will be making a statement later. will be making a statement later.
145 00:06:01,578 00:06:04,015 In the meantime, you can sittight just like everyone else. In the meantime, you can sittight just like everyone else.
146 00:06:04,059 00:06:06,714 Well, you must pack up quick. Well, you must pack up quick.
147 00:06:06,757 00:06:08,498 Yes, Ma'am. It's my dad's duffel. Yes, Ma'am. It's my dad's duffel.
148 00:06:08,542 00:06:10,631 Been living out of it for quite a while, so... Been living out of it for quite a while, so...
149 00:06:10,674 00:06:13,547 It's appreciated. It's appreciated.
150 00:06:13,590 00:06:15,113 Hello, Clarice. Hello, Clarice.
151 00:06:17,464 00:06:19,509 Congratulationson your appointment, ma'am. Congratulationson your appointment, ma'am.
152 00:06:19,553 00:06:21,250 It ruffled some feathers. It ruffled some feathers.
153 00:06:21,293 00:06:22,860 I'm -- I'm real sorryto hear that. I'm -- I'm real sorryto hear that.
154 00:06:22,904 00:06:26,298 Two dead women floated down the Anacostia River. Two dead women floated down the Anacostia River.
155 00:06:26,342 00:06:29,258 Somebody sliced them to ribbons. Somebody sliced them to ribbons.
156 00:06:29,301 00:06:30,302 And you think it's a -- And you think it's a --
157 00:06:30,346 00:06:31,565 A serial killer. A serial killer.
158 00:06:31,608 00:06:33,044 Hell yes, I do. Hell yes, I do.
159 00:06:33,088 00:06:35,395 Ma'am, there's a lot of criteriaaround that designation. Ma'am, there's a lot of criteriaaround that designation.
160 00:06:35,438 00:06:36,744 I'm not having this again. I'm not having this again.
161 00:06:36,787 00:06:40,095 Ma'am, am I here to consultfor Behavioral Sciences? Ma'am, am I here to consultfor Behavioral Sciences?
162 00:06:40,138 00:06:42,445 You're here to catch the guy.Ma'am? You're here to catch the guy.Ma'am?
163 00:06:42,489 00:06:45,143 I took this office with a mission -- I took this office with a mission --
164 00:06:45,187 00:06:47,407 to convene a Violent Crimes Task Force, to convene a Violent Crimes Task Force,
165 00:06:47,450 00:06:50,018 so that no familyever goes through what ours did. so that no familyever goes through what ours did.
166 00:06:50,061 00:06:53,282 Ma'am, respectfully, there areagents with years of experience. Ma'am, respectfully, there areagents with years of experience.
167 00:06:53,325 00:06:54,588 You think you're not ready? You think you're not ready?
168 00:06:54,631 00:06:56,459 I'm just saying thatthere are more qualified -- I'm just saying thatthere are more qualified --
169 00:06:56,503 00:06:58,940 No one is more qualified. No one is more qualified.
170 00:06:58,983 00:07:00,942 You weren't ready to go into that house You weren't ready to go into that house
171 00:07:00,985 00:07:03,727 and pull my child out of that murderer's pit, and pull my child out of that murderer's pit,
172 00:07:03,771 00:07:04,946 but you did it. but you did it.
173 00:07:04,989 00:07:07,905 You saved my little girl. You saved my little girl.
174 00:07:07,949 00:07:10,299 She's thin now. She's thin now.
175 00:07:10,342 00:07:13,563 She's very...thin. She's very...thin.
176 00:07:13,607 00:07:15,565 Bill only took the larger women. Bill only took the larger women.
177 00:07:15,609 00:07:17,306 I don't need to be a psychiatrist I don't need to be a psychiatrist
178 00:07:17,349 00:07:18,699 to put it together. to put it together.
179 00:07:18,742 00:07:20,048 [ Breathes deeply ] [ Breathes deeply ]
180 00:07:20,091 00:07:22,790 You are a woman with a very public reputation You are a woman with a very public reputation
181 00:07:22,833 00:07:24,966 for hunting monsters, Clarice. for hunting monsters, Clarice.
182 00:07:25,009 00:07:27,490 I can't have a reputation --I've only done it once. I can't have a reputation --I've only done it once.
183 00:07:27,534 00:07:29,840 It's time you own that reputation. It's time you own that reputation.
184 00:07:29,884 00:07:31,320 Bill took seven. Bill took seven.
185 00:07:31,363 00:07:34,541 That's not happening on my watch. That's not happening on my watch.
186 00:07:35,542 00:07:40,503 You are now a Special Agent of the ViCAP Task Force. You are now a Special Agent of the ViCAP Task Force.
187 00:07:40,547 00:07:42,940 Head Man in Charge is Paul Krendler. Head Man in Charge is Paul Krendler.
188 00:07:42,984 00:07:45,508 And, no, he hasn't forgotten how you showed him up And, no, he hasn't forgotten how you showed him up
189 00:07:45,552 00:07:47,292 when you were both chasing Bill, when you were both chasing Bill,
190 00:07:47,336 00:07:48,990 but he's a hell of an investigator but he's a hell of an investigator
191 00:07:49,033 00:07:50,295 and a good lawyer. and a good lawyer.
192 00:07:50,339 00:07:53,995 I need you both to work together now. I need you both to work together now.
193 00:07:54,038 00:07:55,431 Ma'am. Ma'am.
194 00:07:55,475 00:07:57,520 Becoming the face for your Task Force Becoming the face for your Task Force
195 00:07:57,564 00:07:59,957 requires some... cooperation. requires some... cooperation.
196 00:08:01,524 00:08:03,526 What do you want, Starling? What do you want, Starling?
197 00:08:03,570 00:08:06,616 To go back to BehavioralSciences after these murders. To go back to BehavioralSciences after these murders.
198 00:08:06,660 00:08:10,185 Just these murders, and that's it. Just these murders, and that's it.
199 00:08:10,228 00:08:12,448 I belong at BSU. They're my people. I belong at BSU. They're my people.
200 00:08:12,492 00:08:14,363 You don't get to make that choice, You don't get to make that choice,
201 00:08:14,406 00:08:17,975 and you don't have any people, Clarice. and you don't have any people, Clarice.
202 00:08:18,019 00:08:22,023 Your fellow Quantico graduates, the senior agents -- Your fellow Quantico graduates, the senior agents --
203 00:08:22,066 00:08:24,416 they hate you because they can never understand they hate you because they can never understand
204 00:08:24,460 00:08:26,854 what you've been through. what you've been through.
205 00:08:26,897 00:08:28,682 No one in the world can. No one in the world can.
206 00:08:30,379 00:08:32,381 Except me. Except me.
207 00:08:32,424 00:08:34,731 And Catherine. And Catherine.
208 00:08:34,775 00:08:37,865 She thinks you're the only one who can help her. She thinks you're the only one who can help her.
209 00:08:37,908 00:08:40,345 And I know you have your own demons to carry, And I know you have your own demons to carry,
210 00:08:40,389 00:08:44,262 but we're your people. but we're your people.
211 00:08:44,306 00:08:45,829 [ Breathes deeply ] [ Breathes deeply ]
212 00:08:45,873 00:08:48,919 I ask you, I ask you,
213 00:08:48,963 00:08:52,357 will you please start returning her calls? will you please start returning her calls?
214 00:08:54,751 00:08:56,753 Paul Krendler will meet you on the scene Paul Krendler will meet you on the scene
215 00:08:56,797 00:08:58,146 with the ViCAP team. with the ViCAP team.
216 00:08:58,189 00:09:01,889 [ "Jesus, Thou Art the Sinner's Friend" plays ] [ "Jesus, Thou Art the Sinner's Friend" plays ]
217 00:09:01,932 00:09:05,327 It's time to come out of hiding, Starling. It's time to come out of hiding, Starling.
218 00:09:05,370 00:09:11,246 ♪ Jesus, thou art... ♪ Jesus, thou art...
219 00:09:11,289 00:09:13,944 [ Reporters shouting ] [ Reporters shouting ]
220 00:09:13,988 00:09:16,251 [ Camera shutters clicking ] [ Camera shutters clicking ]
221 00:09:16,294 00:09:24,389 ♪ ...the sinner's friend ♪ ...the sinner's friend
222 00:09:24,433 00:09:27,610 ♪ As such I look to Thee ♪ As such I look to Thee
223 00:09:27,654 00:09:32,833 ♪ As such... ♪ As such...
224 00:09:32,876 00:09:34,443 [ Radio chatter ] [ Radio chatter ]
225 00:09:34,486 00:09:35,923 Paul, she's here. Paul, she's here.
226 00:09:35,966 00:09:40,014 ♪ ...I look... ♪ ...I look...
227 00:09:40,057 00:09:42,669 [ Helicopter blades whirring ] [ Helicopter blades whirring ]
228 00:09:42,712 00:09:44,584 You know why you're here, Starling? You know why you're here, Starling?
229 00:09:44,627 00:09:45,759 The AG sent me, Mr. Krendler. The AG sent me, Mr. Krendler.
230 00:09:45,802 00:09:48,109 You're Ruth Martin's drop of honey. You're Ruth Martin's drop of honey.
231 00:09:48,152 00:09:49,458 For the cameras. For the cameras.
232 00:09:49,501 00:09:51,808 But this isn't Buffalo territory anymore. But this isn't Buffalo territory anymore.
233 00:09:51,852 00:09:53,157 We do evidence, We do evidence,
234 00:09:53,201 00:09:55,029 not, "It's a full moon, and I've got a feeling." not, "It's a full moon, and I've got a feeling."
235 00:09:55,072 00:09:57,814 The AG made it clear this needs to be a win, The AG made it clear this needs to be a win,
236 00:09:57,858 00:09:58,989 simple and clean. simple and clean.
237 00:09:59,033 00:10:01,035 So you'll keep quiet until I tell you, So you'll keep quiet until I tell you,
238 00:10:01,078 00:10:03,820 and then you will say what I tell you. and then you will say what I tell you.
239 00:10:03,864 00:10:06,693 Jones, get her some gear. Jones, get her some gear.
240 00:10:06,736 00:10:08,782 Uh, sir, I wasn't informed I would actually be -- Uh, sir, I wasn't informed I would actually be --
241 00:10:08,825 00:10:10,044 Now you're informed. Now you're informed.
242 00:10:10,087 00:10:11,611 And for the record, I think you got lucky And for the record, I think you got lucky
243 00:10:11,654 00:10:13,134 when you caught Bill. when you caught Bill.
244 00:10:13,177 00:10:15,919 You do have your gun? You do have your gun?
245 00:10:15,963 00:10:19,140 You should at least look the part, Starling. You should at least look the part, Starling.
246 00:10:19,183 00:10:25,450 ♪ Now in the... ♪ Now in the...
247 00:10:25,494 00:10:27,670 [ Radio chatter continues ] [ Radio chatter continues ]
248 00:10:27,714 00:10:29,803 They don't really come in your size. They don't really come in your size.
249 00:10:31,500 00:10:38,725 ♪ ...of thy love ♪ ...of thy love
250 00:10:38,768 00:10:41,336 [ Camera shutter clicks ]♪ O Lord, remember me [ Camera shutter clicks ]♪ O Lord, remember me
251 00:10:41,379 00:10:42,729 Are you the girl? Are you the girl?
252 00:10:42,772 00:10:49,823 ♪ Remember thy... ♪ Remember thy...
253 00:10:49,866 00:10:54,175 [ Camera shutter clicking ] [ Camera shutter clicking ]
254 00:10:54,218 00:10:55,437 Krendler: Okay. Krendler: Okay.
255 00:10:55,480 00:10:57,700 Stab wounds. Bite marks. Stab wounds. Bite marks.
256 00:10:57,744 00:10:59,528 Looks like a serial guy to me. Looks like a serial guy to me.
257 00:10:59,571 00:11:02,879 [ Camera shutter clicks ]The other one's in the drainage gate. [ Camera shutter clicks ]The other one's in the drainage gate.
258 00:11:04,446 00:11:08,276 Uh, sir, um, I'd need to do a full examination of her wounds Uh, sir, um, I'd need to do a full examination of her wounds
259 00:11:08,319 00:11:11,192 and build a BSU profilebefore determining if it's a serial killer. and build a BSU profilebefore determining if it's a serial killer.
260 00:11:11,235 00:11:13,020 There's another one at the drainage gate. There's another one at the drainage gate.
261 00:11:13,063 00:11:14,499 Two bodies, same MO. Two bodies, same MO.
262 00:11:14,543 00:11:16,588 I wanna get this guy before he does it again. I wanna get this guy before he does it again.
263 00:11:16,632 00:11:18,721 Get a camera and make sure we have everything Get a camera and make sure we have everything
264 00:11:18,765 00:11:20,418 before we bring her out. before we bring her out.
265 00:11:20,462 00:11:22,464 [ Helicopter blades whirring ] [ Helicopter blades whirring ]
266 00:11:25,249 00:11:26,947 Go with her, Esquivel. Go with her, Esquivel.
267 00:11:26,990 00:11:28,818 I want to see what she can do. I want to see what she can do.
268 00:11:28,862 00:11:31,299 I hear Starling's not quite 100%. I hear Starling's not quite 100%.
269 00:11:31,342 00:11:36,347 If she makes any moves on her own, I want to know. If she makes any moves on her own, I want to know.
270 00:11:36,391 00:11:38,872 [ Suspenseful music plays ] [ Suspenseful music plays ]
271 00:11:38,915 00:11:46,880 ♪♪ ♪♪
272 00:11:46,923 00:11:54,975 ♪♪ ♪♪
273 00:11:55,018 00:12:03,026 ♪♪ ♪♪
274 00:12:03,070 00:12:10,860 ♪♪ ♪♪
275 00:12:10,904 00:12:13,689 [ Click ]Okay, recording. [ Click ]Okay, recording.
276 00:12:15,647 00:12:18,389 African-American female. African-American female.
277 00:12:18,433 00:12:20,609 [ Camera shutter clicking ] [ Camera shutter clicking ]
278 00:12:22,263 00:12:24,395 Mid-20s. Mid-20s.
279 00:12:24,439 00:12:25,701 Nude. Nude.
280 00:12:25,745 00:12:27,268 Muzzle stamp -- left temple. Muzzle stamp -- left temple.
281 00:12:27,311 00:12:29,923 [ Camera shutter clicks ] [ Camera shutter clicks ]
282 00:12:29,966 00:12:32,969 Left hand broken at the wrist. Left hand broken at the wrist.
283 00:12:33,013 00:12:35,580 Could be postmortem. Could be postmortem.
284 00:12:37,887 00:12:41,456 Engagement/wedding set, left ring finger. Engagement/wedding set, left ring finger.
285 00:12:41,499 00:12:43,458 [ Camera shutter clicks ] [ Camera shutter clicks ]
286 00:12:43,501 00:12:48,028 Small carat, but it's a sweet ring. Small carat, but it's a sweet ring.
287 00:12:48,071 00:12:52,162 Her husband -- he cared. Her husband -- he cared.
288 00:12:52,206 00:12:57,777 ♪♪ ♪♪
289 00:12:57,820 00:13:00,431 Polish on both the hands and feet -- Polish on both the hands and feet --
290 00:13:00,475 00:13:03,043 It's a soft color. It's a soft color.
291 00:13:03,086 00:13:05,480 Real tasteful. Real tasteful.
292 00:13:05,523 00:13:07,787 She minded her presentation. She minded her presentation.
293 00:13:07,830 00:13:11,181 Same stab wounds and bite marks as the other victim. Same stab wounds and bite marks as the other victim.
294 00:13:11,225 00:13:13,140 [ Camera shutter clicks ] [ Camera shutter clicks ]
295 00:13:13,183 00:13:17,535 ♪♪ ♪♪
296 00:13:17,579 00:13:19,842 Let's, uh... Let's, uh...
297 00:13:19,886 00:13:22,192 Let's set her free. Let's set her free.
298 00:13:22,236 00:13:29,243 ♪ There is power, power, wonder-working power ♪ ♪ There is power, power, wonder-working power ♪
299 00:13:29,286 00:13:31,723 ♪ In the blood ♪ In the blood
300 00:13:33,464 00:13:36,163 ♪ Of the Lamb ♪ Of the Lamb
301 00:13:38,556 00:13:44,911 ♪ There is power, power, wonder-working power ♪ ♪ There is power, power, wonder-working power ♪
302 00:13:46,913 00:13:51,874 ♪ In the precious blood of the Lamb ♪ ♪ In the precious blood of the Lamb ♪
303 00:13:51,918 00:13:55,399 Krendler: Angela Bird, 28, local, Krendler: Angela Bird, 28, local,
304 00:13:55,443 00:13:57,532 prints in the system only because she worked prints in the system only because she worked
305 00:13:57,575 00:13:59,534 in a public school here in D.C. in a public school here in D.C.
306 00:13:59,577 00:14:01,753 The older, Tess Laughty. The older, Tess Laughty.
307 00:14:01,797 00:14:05,148 55, retired Postal Carrier from Rockville, Maryland. 55, retired Postal Carrier from Rockville, Maryland.
308 00:14:05,192 00:14:06,541 Husband deceased. Husband deceased.
309 00:14:06,584 00:14:07,759 Good neighbor. Good neighbor.
310 00:14:07,803 00:14:09,152 Tripathi: When she first went missing, Tripathi: When she first went missing,
311 00:14:09,196 00:14:10,937 her friends said that she liked her friends said that she liked
312 00:14:10,980 00:14:12,721 to put the lights on her house at Christmas. to put the lights on her house at Christmas.
313 00:14:12,764 00:14:14,157 Thank you, Tripathi. Thank you, Tripathi.
314 00:14:14,201 00:14:15,898 No water in the lungs. No water in the lungs.
315 00:14:15,942 00:14:19,380 Cause of death in each case was the bullet to the head. Cause of death in each case was the bullet to the head.
316 00:14:19,423 00:14:21,643 .45. Correct. .45. Correct.
317 00:14:21,686 00:14:22,687 As always. As always.
318 00:14:22,731 00:14:23,688 Whoo-hoo. Whoo-hoo.
319 00:14:23,732 00:14:26,387 Okay, Starling. Go. Okay, Starling. Go.
320 00:14:26,430 00:14:28,519 Esquivel's our Army sniper guy. Esquivel's our Army sniper guy.
321 00:14:28,563 00:14:29,956 Tripathi's our library. Tripathi's our library.
322 00:14:29,999 00:14:32,045 Clarke's our lie detector. Clarke's our lie detector.
323 00:14:32,088 00:14:34,221 Make us believe in your Behavioral Science Make us believe in your Behavioral Science
324 00:14:34,264 00:14:35,396 like I believe in them. like I believe in them.
325 00:14:35,439 00:14:37,267 How crazy is the crazy? How crazy is the crazy?
326 00:14:39,617 00:14:40,880 [ Clears throat ] [ Clears throat ]
327 00:14:42,446 00:14:44,927 Well... Well...
328 00:14:44,971 00:14:48,713 different ages, different races. different ages, different races.
329 00:14:48,757 00:14:51,020 The bite marks are shallow. The bite marks are shallow.
330 00:14:51,064 00:14:54,328 And it's strange the wounds are so well-spaced. And it's strange the wounds are so well-spaced.
331 00:14:54,371 00:14:57,897 None of them...kiss. None of them...kiss.
332 00:15:01,030 00:15:03,641 Um, any cursory evidence of sexual assault? Um, any cursory evidence of sexual assault?
333 00:15:03,685 00:15:05,600 Nope. But they still gotta go to the morgue. Nope. But they still gotta go to the morgue.
334 00:15:05,643 00:15:07,080 No ligature marks on either victim. No ligature marks on either victim.
335 00:15:07,123 00:15:09,299 And I don't see any petechiae bruising, sir. And I don't see any petechiae bruising, sir.
336 00:15:09,343 00:15:11,171 She got shot in the head. She got shot in the head.
337 00:15:11,214 00:15:13,956 That can act like a magic eraser sometimes. That can act like a magic eraser sometimes.
338 00:15:14,000 00:15:16,524 What does that say to you, Starling? What does that say to you, Starling?
339 00:15:16,567 00:15:20,528 There's no intimacy here. No frenzy. There's no intimacy here. No frenzy.
340 00:15:20,571 00:15:21,921 And he'd have to know they'd float. And he'd have to know they'd float.
341 00:15:21,964 00:15:23,966 A -- A -- A true psychopath? We'd still be looking. A -- A -- A true psychopath? We'd still be looking.
342 00:15:24,010 00:15:25,663 But a true sociopath -- But a true sociopath --
343 00:15:25,707 00:15:27,796 They wouldn't have left their faces. They wouldn't have left their faces.
344 00:15:27,839 00:15:29,798 Or their wedding rings. Or their wedding rings.
345 00:15:30,842 00:15:31,974 What rule is that? What rule is that?
346 00:15:32,018 00:15:33,236 Are you saying it's not a crazy guy? Are you saying it's not a crazy guy?
347 00:15:33,280 00:15:36,065 I mean, who el-- Who else does this? I mean, who el-- Who else does this?
348 00:15:36,109 00:15:38,807 I'm saying something feels wrong, I'm saying something feels wrong,
349 00:15:38,850 00:15:43,855 like it's too controlled, too sane. like it's too controlled, too sane.
350 00:15:45,466 00:15:48,643 I'm saying I don't know if I can be definitive yet. I'm saying I don't know if I can be definitive yet.
351 00:15:48,686 00:15:51,646 ♪♪ ♪♪
352 00:15:51,689 00:15:53,039 Krendler: Clarke, get her to the morgue. Krendler: Clarke, get her to the morgue.
353 00:15:53,082 00:15:54,649 [ Clears throat ] Bag the hands. [ Clears throat ] Bag the hands.
354 00:15:54,692 00:15:55,911 Coroner's coming. Coroner's coming.
355 00:15:57,391 00:16:00,002 Okay, fellas, time to face the vultures. Okay, fellas, time to face the vultures.
356 00:16:00,046 00:16:02,265 Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go.
357 00:16:02,309 00:16:05,225 ♪♪ ♪♪
358 00:16:05,268 00:16:07,357 If you're not prepared emotionally If you're not prepared emotionally
359 00:16:07,401 00:16:08,663 to see what's right in front of you -- to see what's right in front of you --
360 00:16:08,706 00:16:10,012 Sir -- You're equivocating, Sir -- You're equivocating,
361 00:16:10,056 00:16:11,840 and, therefore, unreliable. and, therefore, unreliable.
362 00:16:11,883 00:16:13,146 This whole mess This whole mess
363 00:16:13,189 00:16:14,582 falls right into the legal definition falls right into the legal definition
364 00:16:14,625 00:16:15,844 of serial killing. of serial killing.
365 00:16:15,887 00:16:17,672 Sir, if I ran into two people on my bike, Sir, if I ran into two people on my bike,
366 00:16:17,715 00:16:19,195 it would fall under the legal definition. it would fall under the legal definition.
367 00:16:19,239 00:16:20,196 It's very broad. It's very broad.
368 00:16:20,240 00:16:22,024 The definition is unambiguous. The definition is unambiguous.
369 00:16:22,068 00:16:23,983 I told you -- simple and clean. I told you -- simple and clean.
370 00:16:24,026 00:16:27,769 Sir, I'm saying that I need more time to make an assessment. Sir, I'm saying that I need more time to make an assessment.
371 00:16:27,812 00:16:29,597 We don't have time. We don't have time.
372 00:16:29,640 00:16:31,207 We have a press conference. We have a press conference.
373 00:16:31,251 00:16:32,992 Ruth Martin wants the public inflamed Ruth Martin wants the public inflamed
374 00:16:33,035 00:16:35,168 and the press on her side. and the press on her side.
375 00:16:35,211 00:16:38,171 Now, I have to play her game, and so do you. Now, I have to play her game, and so do you.
376 00:16:38,214 00:16:42,697 None of this "I don't know, the wounds don't kiss" stuff, None of this "I don't know, the wounds don't kiss" stuff,
377 00:16:42,740 00:16:44,525 you understand? you understand?
378 00:16:44,568 00:16:49,095 ♪♪ ♪♪
379 00:16:49,138 00:16:51,140 Michelle: The Attorney General has built her reputation Michelle: The Attorney General has built her reputation
380 00:16:51,184 00:16:53,012 on how violence has touched her family. on how violence has touched her family.
381 00:16:53,055 00:16:54,491 Is this case a way for her to -- Is this case a way for her to --
382 00:16:54,535 00:16:56,363 An opportunity for some PR? An opportunity for some PR?
383 00:16:56,406 00:16:59,061 That may be the most cynical thing I've ever heard. That may be the most cynical thing I've ever heard.
384 00:16:59,105 00:17:00,976 For those of you that have a soul -- For those of you that have a soul --
385 00:17:01,020 00:17:02,891 AG Martin has made this priority one. AG Martin has made this priority one.
386 00:17:02,934 00:17:04,545 Marcus: Is that why Agent Starling was brought in? Marcus: Is that why Agent Starling was brought in?
387 00:17:04,588 00:17:07,461 Special Agent Starling will answer that question herself. Special Agent Starling will answer that question herself.
388 00:17:07,504 00:17:09,550 Clarice, do you thinkyou have a special connection to serial -- Clarice, do you thinkyou have a special connection to serial --
389 00:17:09,593 00:17:10,681 Man: Agent Starling! Man: Agent Starling!
390 00:17:10,725 00:17:13,032 [ Reporters shouting ] [ Reporters shouting ]
391 00:17:13,075 00:17:15,164 [ Distorted shouting ] [ Distorted shouting ]
392 00:17:15,208 00:17:16,600 [ Camera shutters clicking ] [ Camera shutters clicking ]
393 00:17:16,644 00:17:18,385 Clarice, how does it feel to be back in the field? Clarice, how does it feel to be back in the field?
394 00:17:18,428 00:17:20,909 I'm real glad to be back in the field with my fellow agents. I'm real glad to be back in the field with my fellow agents.
395 00:17:20,952 00:17:23,390 Michelle: Do you think this is another Bill -- a serial killer? Michelle: Do you think this is another Bill -- a serial killer?
396 00:17:23,433 00:17:24,434 -Clarice! -Agent Starling! -Clarice! -Agent Starling!
397 00:17:24,478 00:17:26,915 Um, it meets the legal criteria. Um, it meets the legal criteria.
398 00:17:26,958 00:17:28,134 Is this another madman? Is this another madman?
399 00:17:28,177 00:17:30,527 Is this a serial killer, Clarice? Is this a serial killer, Clarice?
400 00:17:30,571 00:17:34,662 [ Flash bulbs pop ] [ Flash bulbs pop ]
401 00:17:34,705 00:17:35,837 Yes. Yes.
402 00:17:35,880 00:17:38,144 [ Reporters shouting ] [ Reporters shouting ]
403 00:17:46,848 00:17:48,806 [ Thunder rumbling ] [ Thunder rumbling ]
404 00:17:48,850 00:17:54,638 ♪♪ ♪♪
405 00:17:54,682 00:17:56,510 [ Sighs ] [ Sighs ]
406 00:17:56,553 00:17:57,946 [ Keys jingle ] [ Keys jingle ]
407 00:17:59,556 00:18:00,775 You're a trained investigator, You're a trained investigator,
408 00:18:00,818 00:18:03,169 so I knew you'd find the key under the mat. so I knew you'd find the key under the mat.
409 00:18:03,212 00:18:06,476 I didn't know I'd need a place to stay in D.C. I didn't know I'd need a place to stay in D.C.
410 00:18:06,520 00:18:08,130 Stay as long as you want. Stay as long as you want.
411 00:18:08,174 00:18:09,610 I'll be out of your hair in a few days. I'll be out of your hair in a few days.
412 00:18:09,653 00:18:11,525 I know you're up to your neck working cold cases. I know you're up to your neck working cold cases.
413 00:18:11,568 00:18:14,658 I'm building one againstthe Attorney General of the United States. I'm building one againstthe Attorney General of the United States.
414 00:18:14,702 00:18:15,746 For kidnapping you. For kidnapping you.
415 00:18:15,790 00:18:17,966 I saw you on TV. I saw you on TV.
416 00:18:19,968 00:18:21,448 How bad was it? How bad was it?
417 00:18:21,491 00:18:23,928 ♪♪ ♪♪
418 00:18:23,972 00:18:25,452 It was bad. It was bad.
419 00:18:27,236 00:18:28,542 [ Sighs ] [ Sighs ]
420 00:18:28,585 00:18:29,760 You did the shopping. You did the shopping.
421 00:18:29,804 00:18:31,197 I wanted to contribute. I wanted to contribute.
422 00:18:31,240 00:18:33,068 How am I supposed to alphabetize? How am I supposed to alphabetize?
423 00:18:33,112 00:18:34,548 I bought Twizzlers. I bought Twizzlers.
424 00:18:34,591 00:18:35,766 That's a whole nother letter. That's a whole nother letter.
425 00:18:35,810 00:18:37,681 [ Laughs ] [ Laughs ]
426 00:18:37,725 00:18:39,335 [ Dryer buzzes ] [ Dryer buzzes ]
427 00:18:39,379 00:18:42,338 ♪♪ ♪♪
428 00:18:42,382 00:18:43,861 So...[ Dryer door closes ] So...[ Dryer door closes ]
429 00:18:43,905 00:18:45,167 ...she pulled you out of the basement ...she pulled you out of the basement
430 00:18:45,211 00:18:47,082 kicking and screaming, huh? -[ Sighs ] kicking and screaming, huh? -[ Sighs ]
431 00:18:47,126 00:18:49,171 Must have been fun. Must have been fun.
432 00:18:49,215 00:18:52,566 That Martin is a real piece of work, boy. That Martin is a real piece of work, boy.
433 00:18:52,609 00:18:53,871 She'll look you right in the eye She'll look you right in the eye
434 00:18:53,915 00:18:55,395 while she's gutting your kidneys. while she's gutting your kidneys.
435 00:18:55,438 00:18:58,137 After what she's been through, almost losing her child, After what she's been through, almost losing her child,
436 00:18:58,180 00:18:59,921 I don't believe she's in it for the glory. I don't believe she's in it for the glory.
437 00:18:59,964 00:19:01,227 Well, me neither, but [Sighs] Well, me neither, but [Sighs]
438 00:19:01,270 00:19:03,577 they just want me to say it's a crazy serial guy. they just want me to say it's a crazy serial guy.
439 00:19:03,620 00:19:04,926 The flashy stuff. The flashy stuff.
440 00:19:04,969 00:19:08,059 I mean, it presents on the surface as what it is, I mean, it presents on the surface as what it is,
441 00:19:08,103 00:19:10,497 but I don't know, Ardelia. but I don't know, Ardelia.
442 00:19:10,540 00:19:12,063 Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me.
443 00:19:12,107 00:19:16,416 What if I'm not... What if I'm not...
444 00:19:16,459 00:19:18,200 emotionally prepared? emotionally prepared?
445 00:19:18,244 00:19:21,943 Did your exceedingly lame therapist say that to you? Did your exceedingly lame therapist say that to you?
446 00:19:21,986 00:19:23,597 He could never have caught Bill. He could never have caught Bill.
447 00:19:23,640 00:19:27,122 He'd probably like to think you just got lucky. He'd probably like to think you just got lucky.
448 00:19:27,166 00:19:29,472 Like Krendler thinks. Mnh-mnh. Like Krendler thinks. Mnh-mnh.
449 00:19:29,516 00:19:33,433 You trusted yourself enough to save a girl once, You trusted yourself enough to save a girl once,
450 00:19:33,476 00:19:36,349 and all the girls that would have come after. and all the girls that would have come after.
451 00:19:36,392 00:19:39,439 What did we learn in the laundry room back at Quantico? What did we learn in the laundry room back at Quantico?
452 00:19:39,482 00:19:42,137 First Principles. First Principles.
453 00:19:42,181 00:19:45,140 What is the thing, in and of itself? What is the thing, in and of itself?
454 00:19:45,184 00:19:46,794 Nothing in common demographically. Nothing in common demographically.
455 00:19:46,837 00:19:49,231 Weird.And all the wounds are just fighting each other Weird.And all the wounds are just fighting each other
456 00:19:49,275 00:19:50,798 for attention, like, "Oh, look at me. for attention, like, "Oh, look at me.
457 00:19:50,841 00:19:53,061 I'm a biter -- Oh, wait, no, I got this great, big knife." I'm a biter -- Oh, wait, no, I got this great, big knife."
458 00:19:53,104 00:19:55,324 They're...self-conscious. They're...self-conscious.
459 00:19:55,368 00:19:57,544 You saying he's not compulsive? You saying he's not compulsive?
460 00:19:57,587 00:19:58,806 I'm saying he does it I'm saying he does it
461 00:19:58,849 00:20:00,895 like he learned it in a book, this guy. like he learned it in a book, this guy.
462 00:20:00,938 00:20:02,679 There's deliberation. There's deliberation.
463 00:20:02,723 00:20:03,811 Despite the wounds. Despite the wounds.
464 00:20:03,854 00:20:04,899 No, becauseof the wounds. No, becauseof the wounds.
465 00:20:04,942 00:20:07,641 They're... They're...
466 00:20:07,684 00:20:09,469 desperately random. desperately random.
467 00:20:09,512 00:20:12,167 Ardelia, this guy is cold as hell, Ardelia, this guy is cold as hell,
468 00:20:12,211 00:20:15,605 and he wants us to think he's on fire. and he wants us to think he's on fire.
469 00:20:15,649 00:20:18,086 [ Siren wails in distance ] [ Siren wails in distance ]
470 00:20:18,129 00:20:19,653 Anything evidentiary -- bullet casings, Anything evidentiary -- bullet casings,
471 00:20:19,696 00:20:21,045 knives, clothing? knives, clothing?
472 00:20:21,089 00:20:22,482 I'm asking for a Toxicology rush. I'm asking for a Toxicology rush.
473 00:20:22,525 00:20:23,918 It's not, like, a complicated request. It's not, like, a complicated request.
474 00:20:23,961 00:20:25,311 Yeah, last known for Tess Laughty's... Yeah, last known for Tess Laughty's...
475 00:20:25,354 00:20:26,703 I need everything about a Frank Bird. I need everything about a Frank Bird.
476 00:20:26,747 00:20:28,227 B-I-R-D, like "bird."...daughter. B-I-R-D, like "bird."...daughter.
477 00:20:28,270 00:20:30,054 Did you put in for tonight's game? Did you put in for tonight's game?
478 00:20:31,273 00:20:33,928 Watch, watch, watch. Here it comes. Watch, watch, watch. Here it comes.
479 00:20:33,971 00:20:36,583 -Uh, hold on a second. -Okay. -Uh, hold on a second. -Okay.
480 00:20:37,584 00:20:38,715 [ Gasps ] [ Gasps ]
481 00:20:38,759 00:20:40,021 The hell? The hell?
482 00:20:40,064 00:20:41,979 [ Laughter ] [ Laughter ]
483 00:20:42,023 00:20:45,026 Peterson: A little lotion for you, Starling. Peterson: A little lotion for you, Starling.
484 00:20:45,069 00:20:47,158 You just gotta rub it on your skin a little. You just gotta rub it on your skin a little.
485 00:20:47,202 00:20:48,247 Keep it smooth! Keep it smooth!
486 00:20:48,290 00:20:50,249 Put it in the basket. Put it in the basket.
487 00:20:51,424 00:20:52,816 [ Drawer slams ]I'll call you back. [ Drawer slams ]I'll call you back.
488 00:20:52,860 00:20:54,296 Welcome to the FBI, Starling. Welcome to the FBI, Starling.
489 00:20:54,340 00:20:56,124 Yeah, welcome to the Bureau. Yeah, welcome to the Bureau.
490 00:20:56,167 00:20:58,213 That was messed up. That was messed up.
491 00:20:58,257 00:21:00,346 Look, no one from ourteam would've pulled a stunt like that. Look, no one from ourteam would've pulled a stunt like that.
492 00:21:00,389 00:21:02,043 It was Peterson's Fraud guys, right? They're a bunch of -- It was Peterson's Fraud guys, right? They're a bunch of --
493 00:21:02,086 00:21:03,610 I don't need you coming to the rescue. I don't need you coming to the rescue.
494 00:21:03,653 00:21:05,829 [ Sighs ] Sorry. [ Sighs ] Sorry.
495 00:21:05,873 00:21:08,223 Look, I-I come from Military. Look, I-I come from Military.
496 00:21:08,267 00:21:10,007 I've never worked a serial case before. I've never worked a serial case before.
497 00:21:10,051 00:21:11,531 Lucky you. Lucky you.
498 00:21:11,574 00:21:13,359 But some of the stuff you said at the scene -- But some of the stuff you said at the scene --
499 00:21:13,402 00:21:15,665 it made sense to me. it made sense to me.
500 00:21:15,709 00:21:17,014 It did. It did.
501 00:21:17,058 00:21:21,367 Listen, your wheelhouse isn't real pleasant. Listen, your wheelhouse isn't real pleasant.
502 00:21:21,410 00:21:23,717 You wouldn't be in it if you couldn't... You wouldn't be in it if you couldn't...
503 00:21:23,760 00:21:26,459 see the way you do. see the way you do.
504 00:21:26,502 00:21:28,504 The 302 report said you questioned The 302 report said you questioned
505 00:21:28,548 00:21:31,551 Angela Bird's husband, but there is no real breakdown Angela Bird's husband, but there is no real breakdown
506 00:21:31,594 00:21:32,943 of her psychological map. of her psychological map.
507 00:21:32,987 00:21:35,859 I'm a dead shot at a thousand meters. I'm a dead shot at a thousand meters.
508 00:21:35,903 00:21:37,774 The psych map is BSU territory. The psych map is BSU territory.
509 00:21:37,818 00:21:40,560 Husbands never know what they know about their wives. Husbands never know what they know about their wives.
510 00:21:40,603 00:21:42,126 Someone should talk to him again. Someone should talk to him again.
511 00:21:42,170 00:21:44,041 Okay. Let's go. Okay. Let's go.
512 00:21:44,085 00:21:45,391 Really? Really?
513 00:21:47,436 00:21:50,178 Hey, we're on the same team here, Starling. Hey, we're on the same team here, Starling.
514 00:21:50,221 00:21:52,354 This place needs a house cleaning, This place needs a house cleaning,
515 00:21:52,398 00:21:55,923 but you got to trust somebody sometime but you got to trust somebody sometime
516 00:21:55,966 00:21:57,664 or you die alone. or you die alone.
517 00:21:57,707 00:21:59,753 You're pretty bleak. You're pretty bleak.
518 00:21:59,796 00:22:01,450 I get it from my mom. I get it from my mom.
519 00:22:02,408 00:22:03,322 I'm driving. I'm driving.
520 00:22:03,365 00:22:04,671 You're saying you don't think You're saying you don't think
521 00:22:04,714 00:22:06,934 this is a foaming-at-the-mouth serial killer, like -- this is a foaming-at-the-mouth serial killer, like --
522 00:22:06,977 00:22:09,284 I-I'm saying it's real soon to say that. I-I'm saying it's real soon to say that.
523 00:22:09,328 00:22:12,722 So it might be someone who wants to make us think So it might be someone who wants to make us think
524 00:22:12,766 00:22:14,594 he's foaming at the mouth. he's foaming at the mouth.
525 00:22:14,637 00:22:16,160 W-Why? W-Why?
526 00:22:16,204 00:22:18,293 [ Scoffs ] When I was a girl, [ Scoffs ] When I was a girl,
527 00:22:18,337 00:22:20,382 before I left home, before I left home,
528 00:22:20,426 00:22:22,558 I smashed the entire jar of Christmas cookies I smashed the entire jar of Christmas cookies
529 00:22:22,602 00:22:25,300 so my mom wouldn't know I ate all the Santas. so my mom wouldn't know I ate all the Santas.
530 00:22:25,344 00:22:26,736 Aha. Aha.
531 00:22:26,780 00:22:30,087 You make it look like one heinous act to hide another. You make it look like one heinous act to hide another.
532 00:22:30,131 00:22:31,785 You were a criminal mastermind, huh? You were a criminal mastermind, huh?
533 00:22:31,828 00:22:33,090 [ Chuckles ] [ Chuckles ]
534 00:22:33,134 00:22:35,745 Why the Santas? Frosting. Why the Santas? Frosting.
535 00:22:35,789 00:22:38,095 [ Bettie Serveert's "Tom Boy" plays] [ Bettie Serveert's "Tom Boy" plays]
536 00:22:38,139 00:22:40,097 You got older siblings? You got older siblings?
537 00:22:40,141 00:22:41,621 I'm guessing sisters? I'm guessing sisters?
538 00:22:41,664 00:22:44,798 Yeah. Uh, two. Why? Yeah. Uh, two. Why?
539 00:22:44,841 00:22:47,017 You sit like you're used to the passenger seat. You sit like you're used to the passenger seat.
540 00:22:47,061 00:22:48,454 [ Laughing ] Oh. [ Laughing ] Oh.
541 00:22:48,497 00:22:49,542 [ Laughs ] [ Laughs ]
542 00:22:49,585 00:22:51,457 I'm gonna tell them you said that. I'm gonna tell them you said that.
543 00:22:51,500 00:22:55,939 Hey, why do they call you the Bride of Frankenstein? Hey, why do they call you the Bride of Frankenstein?
544 00:22:55,983 00:22:57,463 It's a long story. It's a long story.
545 00:22:57,506 00:23:00,988 They also call me Igor and Rapunzel. They also call me Igor and Rapunzel.
546 00:23:01,031 00:23:02,381 But I'm out of the tower now, But I'm out of the tower now,
547 00:23:02,424 00:23:04,165 so it'll have to be something else. so it'll have to be something else.
548 00:23:04,208 00:23:05,775 ♪ When they call out...♪ ♪ When they call out...♪
549 00:23:05,819 00:23:09,083 I'm already on my way to West Virginia Granny Witch. I'm already on my way to West Virginia Granny Witch.
550 00:23:10,476 00:23:13,000 I have absolutely no idea what that is. I have absolutely no idea what that is.
551 00:23:13,043 00:23:14,349 [ Baby fussing ] [ Baby fussing ]
552 00:23:14,393 00:23:16,046 Bird: Angela was the -- Bird: Angela was the --
553 00:23:16,090 00:23:20,050 She did most of the housework, took care of the baby, you know? She did most of the housework, took care of the baby, you know?
554 00:23:20,094 00:23:22,183 Mr. Bird, I grew up in an orphanage, Mr. Bird, I grew up in an orphanage,
555 00:23:22,226 00:23:24,185 and I changed a lot of diapers. and I changed a lot of diapers.
556 00:23:24,228 00:23:26,056 May I help you? May I help you?
557 00:23:26,883 00:23:28,276 Mm. Mm.
558 00:23:30,234 00:23:33,107 Is there anyone else in the house, sir? Is there anyone else in the house, sir?
559 00:23:33,150 00:23:34,761 David, my son. David, my son.
560 00:23:34,804 00:23:36,371 He's watching TV. He's watching TV.
561 00:23:36,415 00:23:38,504 Would you mind if I took another look around? Would you mind if I took another look around?
562 00:23:38,547 00:23:40,419 Mm, no. Mm, no.
563 00:23:40,462 00:23:42,899 So, does your son like dinosaurs, too? So, does your son like dinosaurs, too?
564 00:23:42,943 00:23:45,206 [ Fussing continues ] [ Fussing continues ]
565 00:23:47,121 00:23:49,384 I don't know what he likes. I don't know what he likes.
566 00:23:49,428 00:23:53,562 I don't know... how to love him right. I don't know... how to love him right.
567 00:23:53,606 00:23:55,695 I-I try. I-I try.
568 00:23:55,738 00:23:57,827 I've never raised a hand to him. I've never raised a hand to him.
569 00:23:57,871 00:24:00,395 Of course. Of course.
570 00:24:00,439 00:24:02,789 [ "There Must Be Something More" plays] [ "There Must Be Something More" plays]
571 00:24:06,706 00:24:09,099 ♪ There must be something more to us than you and me♪ ♪ There must be something more to us than you and me♪
572 00:24:09,143 00:24:13,060 He has something called autism. He has something called autism.
573 00:24:13,103 00:24:14,627 You know what that is? You know what that is?
574 00:24:14,670 00:24:16,629 It feels like you can't reach him. It feels like you can't reach him.
575 00:24:16,672 00:24:18,544 Yes. Yes.
576 00:24:18,587 00:24:20,720 Thank you for saying that. Thank you for saying that.
577 00:24:20,763 00:24:22,983 People don't understand. People don't understand.
578 00:24:23,026 00:24:28,249 Angie really had it in her teeth -- "Why? Why?" Angie really had it in her teeth -- "Why? Why?"
579 00:24:28,292 00:24:30,904 Was your wife active like that? Was your wife active like that?
580 00:24:30,947 00:24:32,732 Reaching out to people? Vocal? Reaching out to people? Vocal?
581 00:24:32,775 00:24:34,255 Yeah. Yeah.
582 00:24:34,298 00:24:35,952 She always tried. She always tried.
583 00:24:35,996 00:24:38,259 ♪ It's so plain to see♪ ♪ It's so plain to see♪
584 00:24:38,302 00:24:39,826 She sounds like a great mom. She sounds like a great mom.
585 00:24:39,869 00:24:43,699 ♪ Together we are better than we used to be♪ ♪ Together we are better than we used to be♪
586 00:24:43,743 00:24:45,440 Our second victim, Tess Laughty -- Our second victim, Tess Laughty --
587 00:24:45,484 00:24:46,615 Do we have her next of kin? Do we have her next of kin?
588 00:24:46,659 00:24:48,312 Maybe they can tell us something. Maybe they can tell us something.
589 00:24:48,356 00:24:49,705 Her daughter, Casey Laughty. Her daughter, Casey Laughty.
590 00:24:49,749 00:24:51,533 She's got a sheet and a kid. She's got a sheet and a kid.
591 00:24:51,577 00:24:54,667 Last known address lists her as transient in the Highlands. Last known address lists her as transient in the Highlands.
592 00:24:54,710 00:24:56,930 That'll be fun.[ Engine starts ] That'll be fun.[ Engine starts ]
593 00:24:56,973 00:24:58,627 [ Lighter clicks ] [ Lighter clicks ]
594 00:24:58,671 00:25:03,197 ♪♪ ♪♪
595 00:25:03,240 00:25:04,590 Clarice: Excuse me, sir. Have you seen this woman? Clarice: Excuse me, sir. Have you seen this woman?
596 00:25:04,633 00:25:06,287 Tess Laughty?Have you seenthis woman? Tess Laughty?Have you seenthis woman?
597 00:25:06,330 00:25:07,854 Is she in here? Have you seen this girl? Is she in here? Have you seen this girl?
598 00:25:07,897 00:25:09,464 Have you seen Casey Laughty? Have you seen Casey Laughty?
599 00:25:09,508 00:25:11,335 Excuse me. Have you seen this woman? No. Excuse me. Have you seen this woman? No.
600 00:25:11,379 00:25:13,555 Do you know this girl?Sir, have you seen her? Do you know this girl?Sir, have you seen her?
601 00:25:13,599 00:25:15,949 ♪♪ ♪♪
602 00:25:15,992 00:25:19,039 [ Indistinct conversation ] [ Indistinct conversation ]
603 00:25:19,082 00:25:21,215 ♪♪ ♪♪
604 00:25:21,258 00:25:22,608 [ Whistles ] [ Whistles ]
605 00:25:22,651 00:25:29,789 ♪♪ ♪♪
606 00:25:29,832 00:25:36,970 ♪♪ ♪♪
607 00:25:37,013 00:25:44,194 ♪♪ ♪♪
608 00:25:44,238 00:25:46,066 [ Breathing heavily ] [ Breathing heavily ]
609 00:25:46,109 00:25:49,983 ♪♪ ♪♪
610 00:25:50,026 00:25:51,593 [ Groans ] [ Groans ]
611 00:25:51,637 00:25:56,772 ♪♪ ♪♪
612 00:25:56,816 00:26:01,951 ♪♪ ♪♪
613 00:26:01,995 00:26:03,126 Aah! Aah!
614 00:26:03,170 00:26:05,912 ♪♪ ♪♪
615 00:26:05,955 00:26:07,609 Aah! Aah! Aah! Aah!
616 00:26:07,653 00:26:09,219 Aah! No! Stay on the ground! Aah! No! Stay on the ground!
617 00:26:09,263 00:26:10,873 No, no! No, no!
618 00:26:10,917 00:26:12,658 Stay on the ground, Casey.[ Handcuffs clicking ] Stay on the ground, Casey.[ Handcuffs clicking ]
619 00:26:12,701 00:26:14,529 No! No! No! No! No! No!
620 00:26:14,573 00:26:16,357 Why you wanna bust me, bitch?! Why you wanna bust me, bitch?!
621 00:26:16,400 00:26:18,272 I'm not a connection! I'm not a connection!
622 00:26:18,315 00:26:20,579 We're not here for that. We're not here for that.
623 00:26:20,622 00:26:24,321 We're here to tell you your mother's passed away. We're here to tell you your mother's passed away.
624 00:26:24,365 00:26:26,933 We're real sorry for your loss. We're real sorry for your loss.
625 00:26:26,976 00:26:28,282 Damn. Damn.
626 00:26:28,325 00:26:29,849 Who's watching your kid, Casey, huh? Who's watching your kid, Casey, huh?
627 00:26:29,892 00:26:31,546 Who's watching Gunnar? Who's watching Gunnar?
628 00:26:31,590 00:26:33,635 Your mother took custody of him when you went to Brockbridge. Your mother took custody of him when you went to Brockbridge.
629 00:26:33,679 00:26:36,551 I stayed clean my whole pregnancy, I stayed clean my whole pregnancy,
630 00:26:36,595 00:26:38,466 but my mom took him anyway. but my mom took him anyway.
631 00:26:38,509 00:26:40,207 Got him into That Learning Place. Got him into That Learning Place.
632 00:26:40,250 00:26:41,382 Call The Place. Call The Place.
633 00:26:41,425 00:26:43,427 What place is that? What place is that?
634 00:26:43,471 00:26:45,429 The Place for freaky kids The Place for freaky kids
635 00:26:45,473 00:26:48,607 who have to be fed through a tube. who have to be fed through a tube.
636 00:26:50,217 00:26:51,958 [ Buzzer ] [ Buzzer ]
637 00:26:52,785 00:26:54,351 You don't answer your pager? You don't answer your pager?
638 00:26:54,395 00:26:56,397 The two victims -- They both had kids with -- The two victims -- They both had kids with --
639 00:26:56,440 00:26:58,442 Special Needs. David Bird and Gunnar Verde. Special Needs. David Bird and Gunnar Verde.
640 00:26:58,486 00:27:00,314 Later. There's another body. Later. There's another body.
641 00:27:00,357 00:27:02,185 Same wounds. Same everything. Same wounds. Same everything.
642 00:27:02,229 00:27:03,534 Esquivel, you're with us. Esquivel, you're with us.
643 00:27:03,578 00:27:06,929 Starling, you stay here on the desk. Starling, you stay here on the desk.
644 00:27:08,322 00:27:11,412 Sir, is there a problem with my performance? Sir, is there a problem with my performance?
645 00:27:11,455 00:27:12,500 Krendler: I don't know yet. Krendler: I don't know yet.
646 00:27:12,543 00:27:13,980 I got a call from your therapist, I got a call from your therapist,
647 00:27:14,023 00:27:17,461 who's concerned that you might genuinely flip out. who's concerned that you might genuinely flip out.
648 00:27:17,505 00:27:18,898 I'm trying to protect you, Starling. I'm trying to protect you, Starling.
649 00:27:18,941 00:27:20,029 From whom, sir? From whom, sir?
650 00:27:20,073 00:27:21,291 From yourself. From yourself.
651 00:27:21,335 00:27:23,250 The AG is keeping press off scene. The AG is keeping press off scene.
652 00:27:23,293 00:27:25,382 Your services aren't needed tonight. Your services aren't needed tonight.
653 00:27:25,426 00:27:30,649 ♪♪ ♪♪
654 00:27:35,044 00:27:43,313 ♪♪ ♪♪
655 00:27:43,357 00:27:44,619 Esquivel: She found something Esquivel: She found something
656 00:27:44,663 00:27:46,186 none of us were even looking for. none of us were even looking for.
657 00:27:46,229 00:27:47,535 Krendler: Good. I'll hear it later. Krendler: Good. I'll hear it later.
658 00:27:47,578 00:27:49,102 Is she beginning to trust you? Is she beginning to trust you?
659 00:27:49,145 00:27:51,104 I don't know. Maybe. I don't know. Maybe.
660 00:27:51,147 00:27:52,496 I trust her. I trust her.
661 00:27:52,540 00:27:55,761 Look, I need a read on Starling. Look, I need a read on Starling.
662 00:27:55,804 00:27:57,284 Do I put Clarke on her? Do I put Clarke on her?
663 00:27:57,327 00:27:59,590 Or is this something you can handle? Or is this something you can handle?
664 00:27:59,634 00:28:02,245 [ Indistinct conversations, camera shutter clicking ] [ Indistinct conversations, camera shutter clicking ]
665 00:28:02,289 00:28:07,555 ♪♪ ♪♪
666 00:28:07,598 00:28:12,691 ♪♪ ♪♪
667 00:28:12,734 00:28:15,128 [ Keypad beeping ] [ Keypad beeping ]
668 00:28:15,171 00:28:17,826 [ Line ringing ] [ Line ringing ]
669 00:28:17,870 00:28:19,698 Woman: Hello. Woman: Hello.
670 00:28:19,741 00:28:21,177 It's Clarice Starling, ma'am. It's Clarice Starling, ma'am.
671 00:28:21,221 00:28:23,136 I had a message you -- It's Catherine. I had a message you -- It's Catherine.
672 00:28:23,179 00:28:24,572 [ Screams ] [ Screams ]
673 00:28:24,615 00:28:25,834 Catherine? Catherine?
674 00:28:28,228 00:28:30,796 Hello. Hello.
675 00:28:30,839 00:28:34,669 Hello? Hello?
676 00:28:34,713 00:28:36,758 Catherine? Catherine?
677 00:28:36,802 00:28:39,326 I didn't know how else to get you to call me back. I didn't know how else to get you to call me back.
678 00:28:39,369 00:28:41,763 I've been calling you. I've been calling you.
679 00:28:43,547 00:28:45,680 I haven't had a lot of time lately. I haven't had a lot of time lately.
680 00:28:45,724 00:28:48,988 Yeah, my mom has you pretty busy. Yeah, my mom has you pretty busy.
681 00:28:49,031 00:28:50,816 Yeah. Yeah.
682 00:28:52,513 00:28:55,081 Is it you can't look at me? Is it you can't look at me?
683 00:28:55,124 00:28:57,474 'Cause I remind you of him? 'Cause I remind you of him?
684 00:28:58,562 00:29:02,828 [ Breathes sharply ] Uh, Catherine, can I help you? [ Breathes sharply ] Uh, Catherine, can I help you?
685 00:29:02,871 00:29:05,831 Can you helpme? Can you helpme?
686 00:29:05,874 00:29:08,050 [ Dog barking ]Buffalo Bill: Precious! [ Dog barking ]Buffalo Bill: Precious!
687 00:29:08,094 00:29:11,227 Catherine... Catherine...
688 00:29:11,271 00:29:12,794 is that Precious? is that Precious?
689 00:29:12,838 00:29:18,321 I saw you on the news yesterday, talking about dead women. I saw you on the news yesterday, talking about dead women.
690 00:29:19,496 00:29:22,412 Is there another one like Bill out there? Is there another one like Bill out there?
691 00:29:22,456 00:29:26,547 [ Camera shutter clicking ] [ Camera shutter clicking ]
692 00:29:26,590 00:29:28,592 I'm sorry. I can't discuss the details. I'm sorry. I can't discuss the details.
693 00:29:28,636 00:29:32,727 I need to know if it was real. I need to know if it was real.
694 00:29:32,771 00:29:35,121 Sometimes, I don't know if I dreamed it. Sometimes, I don't know if I dreamed it.
695 00:29:35,164 00:29:37,776 [ Pop music plays, fades] [ Pop music plays, fades]
696 00:29:37,819 00:29:39,516 There's no one else I can ask. There's no one else I can ask.
697 00:29:39,560 00:29:42,084 You're the only one, Clarice. You're the only one, Clarice.
698 00:29:42,128 00:29:43,825 [ Flash bulb popping ] [ Flash bulb popping ]
699 00:29:46,959 00:29:50,049 Do you remember the first thing you said to me? Do you remember the first thing you said to me?
700 00:29:50,092 00:29:51,659 I said... I said...
701 00:29:51,702 00:29:55,097 Clarice: FBI! You're safe. Clarice: FBI! You're safe.
702 00:29:55,141 00:29:56,359 That was a lie. That was a lie.
703 00:29:56,403 00:29:58,579 I'll never be safe. I'll never be safe.
704 00:29:58,622 00:30:00,537 Neither will you. Neither will you.
705 00:30:00,581 00:30:04,019 Do you remember the mannequins and the autopsy table? Do you remember the mannequins and the autopsy table?
706 00:30:04,063 00:30:05,891 You saw that, right? You saw that, right?
707 00:30:08,110 00:30:09,808 Help me! Help me!
708 00:30:09,851 00:30:11,113 Yeah, I saw it. Yeah, I saw it.
709 00:30:11,157 00:30:12,854 Oh, and the way he talked. Oh, and the way he talked.
710 00:30:12,898 00:30:15,596 Buffalo Bill: Now it places the lotion in the basket. Buffalo Bill: Now it places the lotion in the basket.
711 00:30:15,639 00:30:17,511 That strangled voice, when he -- That strangled voice, when he --
712 00:30:17,554 00:30:20,079 I heard his voice, Catherine. I heard his voice, Catherine.
713 00:30:20,122 00:30:21,384 Can you sleep? Can you sleep?
714 00:30:21,428 00:30:22,864 [ Gasps ] [ Gasps ]
715 00:30:24,648 00:30:26,955 Or do moths wake you up? Or do moths wake you up?
716 00:30:29,566 00:30:31,568 How are you out there in the world? How are you out there in the world?
717 00:30:31,612 00:30:32,613 We're different people. We're different people.
718 00:30:32,656 00:30:35,572 No. We're exactly the same. No. We're exactly the same.
719 00:30:35,616 00:30:39,533 You think you can rewrite the story, but you can't. You think you can rewrite the story, but you can't.
720 00:30:39,576 00:30:40,926 My mother? My mother?
721 00:30:40,969 00:30:43,711 You can't trust anything she says. You can't trust anything she says.
722 00:30:43,754 00:30:46,322 There's no one for you. There's no one for you.
723 00:30:46,366 00:30:47,454 Just me. Just me.
724 00:30:47,497 00:30:48,498 [ Receiver slams ] [ Receiver slams ]
725 00:30:48,542 00:30:50,805 [ Gasping ] [ Gasping ]
726 00:30:53,068 00:30:54,722 [ Sniffles ] [ Sniffles ]
727 00:30:55,723 00:30:58,117 [ Ring ] [ Ring ]
728 00:30:58,160 00:31:00,032 Esquivel: Starling? Esquivel: Starling?
729 00:31:00,075 00:31:01,076 Esquivel? Esquivel?
730 00:31:01,120 00:31:02,469 Yeah. I'm on-scene. Yeah. I'm on-scene.
731 00:31:02,512 00:31:04,993 Latest victim ID's as Sandra Bishop. 40. Latest victim ID's as Sandra Bishop. 40.
732 00:31:05,037 00:31:07,735 Nothing demographically like the other two, except -- Nothing demographically like the other two, except --
733 00:31:07,778 00:31:09,476 lady next door said she had a daughter lady next door said she had a daughter
734 00:31:09,519 00:31:11,913 who was born with pretty severe facial deformities. who was born with pretty severe facial deformities.
735 00:31:11,957 00:31:13,523 The child lives in a clinic up in Connecticut. The child lives in a clinic up in Connecticut.
736 00:31:13,567 00:31:15,482 Casey Laughty's son needed a feeding tube. Casey Laughty's son needed a feeding tube.
737 00:31:15,525 00:31:17,223 And David Bird has autism. And David Bird has autism.
738 00:31:17,266 00:31:19,138 Maybe something caused it. Maybe something caused it.
739 00:31:19,181 00:31:21,618 Caused all of it. Caused all of it.
740 00:31:21,662 00:31:24,404 All the women are linked by their kids. All the women are linked by their kids.
741 00:31:25,796 00:31:27,363 Frank Bird's our best connection to them. Frank Bird's our best connection to them.
742 00:31:27,407 00:31:28,930 We gotta go speak to him again. We gotta go speak to him again.
743 00:31:28,974 00:31:30,932 [ Brakes squeal ] [ Brakes squeal ]
744 00:31:32,716 00:31:34,370 [ Engine shuts off ] [ Engine shuts off ]
745 00:31:34,414 00:31:36,677 Does Krendler know you're here?[ Car door opens, closes ] Does Krendler know you're here?[ Car door opens, closes ]
746 00:31:36,720 00:31:39,027 He said to bring some samples to the lab. He said to bring some samples to the lab.
747 00:31:39,071 00:31:40,507 I did that. I did that.
748 00:31:40,550 00:31:43,162 You know, for the record, he told me to watch you. You know, for the record, he told me to watch you.
749 00:31:43,205 00:31:44,903 What did you tell him? What did you tell him?
750 00:31:44,946 00:31:47,383 I didn't tell him anything. I didn't tell him anything.
751 00:31:47,427 00:31:48,515 I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
752 00:31:48,558 00:31:50,256 Charlotte: No, I'm not.Okay. Charlotte: No, I'm not.Okay.
753 00:31:50,299 00:31:51,735 I counted them. I counted them.
754 00:31:51,779 00:31:55,000 Are you really gonna have 514 children? Are you really gonna have 514 children?
755 00:31:55,043 00:31:56,610 If nothing happens, yes. If nothing happens, yes.
756 00:31:56,653 00:31:58,003 Of course, they won't show up till next spring. Of course, they won't show up till next spring.
757 00:31:58,046 00:31:59,918 Bird: He used to watch "Charlotte's Web" with Angie. Bird: He used to watch "Charlotte's Web" with Angie.
758 00:31:59,961 00:32:01,180 Keeps him calm. Keeps him calm.
759 00:32:01,223 00:32:03,356 When is he not calm, Mr. Bird? When is he not calm, Mr. Bird?
760 00:32:03,399 00:32:05,706 When Angie gets migraines. When Angie gets migraines.
761 00:32:05,749 00:32:07,534 [ Breathes deeply ] [ Breathes deeply ]
762 00:32:07,577 00:32:08,839 She gets, uh... She gets, uh...
763 00:32:08,883 00:32:10,667 I just don't have any pep anymore. I just don't have any pep anymore.
764 00:32:10,711 00:32:12,756 Got them a lot. Her pain upset him. Got them a lot. Her pain upset him.
765 00:32:12,800 00:32:15,324 You know, there are plenty of medications for migraines. You know, there are plenty of medications for migraines.
766 00:32:15,368 00:32:18,545 Did she take any? Did she take any?
767 00:32:18,588 00:32:21,548 Sir, if you know anything, Sir, if you know anything,
768 00:32:21,591 00:32:23,376 anything that could help me find out anything that could help me find out
769 00:32:23,419 00:32:26,074 who took your wife from you, who took your wife from you,
770 00:32:26,118 00:32:27,946 please tell me now. please tell me now.
771 00:32:29,643 00:32:31,253 She was in a trial. She was in a trial.
772 00:32:31,297 00:32:32,602 For migraines. For migraines.
773 00:32:32,646 00:32:33,995 A clinical trial? A clinical trial?
774 00:32:34,039 00:32:37,694 But a lot of the kids of those women... But a lot of the kids of those women...
775 00:32:37,738 00:32:40,219 turned out to be... turned out to be...
776 00:32:40,262 00:32:42,308 messed up in different ways. messed up in different ways.
777 00:32:42,351 00:32:45,441 Angie wanted to reach out to them. Angie wanted to reach out to them.
778 00:32:45,485 00:32:47,443 Mr. Bird, secrets won't help here. Mr. Bird, secrets won't help here.
779 00:32:47,487 00:32:50,403 Look, I can't. Look, I can't.
780 00:32:50,446 00:32:51,970 We signed an informed consent. We signed an informed consent.
781 00:32:52,013 00:32:53,145 We settled. We settled.
782 00:32:53,188 00:32:54,494 May I have permission May I have permission
783 00:32:54,537 00:32:56,191 to look through your wife's personal things? to look through your wife's personal things?
784 00:32:56,235 00:32:59,629 ♪♪ ♪♪
785 00:32:59,673 00:33:01,980 [ Doors squeak ] [ Doors squeak ]
786 00:33:02,023 00:33:03,590 [ Sighs ] [ Sighs ]
787 00:33:03,633 00:33:06,158 She changes the baby. She changes the baby.
788 00:33:06,201 00:33:08,421 She keeps the house. She keeps the house.
789 00:33:08,464 00:33:09,813 They're traditional. They're traditional.
790 00:33:09,857 00:33:12,120 So if she's gonna hide something, So if she's gonna hide something,
791 00:33:12,164 00:33:15,384 it would be somewhere... it would be somewhere...
792 00:33:15,428 00:33:17,430 he wouldn't look. he wouldn't look.
793 00:33:17,473 00:33:25,046 ♪♪ ♪♪
794 00:33:25,090 00:33:32,227 ♪♪ ♪♪
795 00:33:32,271 00:33:34,925 Esquivel: We were just talking about secrets. Esquivel: We were just talking about secrets.
796 00:33:34,969 00:33:35,926 Oh, yeah? Oh, yeah?
797 00:33:35,970 00:33:37,885 Hey, David. Hey, David.
798 00:33:37,928 00:33:38,886 I'm Clarice. I'm Clarice.
799 00:33:38,929 00:33:41,628 I think these were your mom's. I think these were your mom's.
800 00:33:41,671 00:33:43,238 Did your dad know about these? Did your dad know about these?
801 00:33:43,282 00:33:45,023 Or a lady named Rebecca? Or a lady named Rebecca?
802 00:33:47,677 00:33:49,288 Do you know Rebecca? Do you know Rebecca?
803 00:33:49,331 00:33:51,551 ♪♪ ♪♪
804 00:33:51,594 00:33:54,467 Ardelia: Rebecca Clark-Sherman's a reporter at The Herald, Ardelia: Rebecca Clark-Sherman's a reporter at The Herald,
805 00:33:54,510 00:33:55,990 and she wrote a piece in 1991 and she wrote a piece in 1991
806 00:33:56,034 00:33:58,123 exposing glycol ethers in cosmetics. exposing glycol ethers in cosmetics.
807 00:33:58,166 00:33:59,733 Angela Bird was reaching out to her Angela Bird was reaching out to her
808 00:33:59,776 00:34:01,604 about a clinical trial for migraines. about a clinical trial for migraines.
809 00:34:01,648 00:34:03,345 And the third victim -- Sandra Bishop. And the third victim -- Sandra Bishop.
810 00:34:03,389 00:34:05,217 Neighbor says that when she sent her daughter away, Neighbor says that when she sent her daughter away,
811 00:34:05,260 00:34:06,827 it broke her heart in 17 places. it broke her heart in 17 places.
812 00:34:06,870 00:34:10,178 She couldn't let that be the end of it. She couldn't let that be the end of it.
813 00:34:10,222 00:34:12,441 And there was a Bible verse on her fridge -- And there was a Bible verse on her fridge --
814 00:34:12,485 00:34:17,055 "I will be with thy mouth, andteach thee what thou shalt say." "I will be with thy mouth, andteach thee what thou shalt say."
815 00:34:17,794 00:34:19,579 I know that verse -- I know that verse --
816 00:34:19,622 00:34:21,494 It's about speaking truth. It's about speaking truth.
817 00:34:21,537 00:34:24,018 The children couldn't speak for themselves. The children couldn't speak for themselves.
818 00:34:24,062 00:34:29,328 Bird said his wife was reaching out to the others. Bird said his wife was reaching out to the others.
819 00:34:29,371 00:34:31,025 Oh, God. Oh, God.
820 00:34:31,069 00:34:32,853 They're all breaking the quiet. They're all breaking the quiet.
821 00:34:32,896 00:34:34,724 They're all whistleblowers. They're all whistleblowers.
822 00:34:34,768 00:34:36,726 So who ran those trials? So who ran those trials?
823 00:34:36,770 00:34:39,338 When you find out, give me their names -- When you find out, give me their names --
824 00:34:39,381 00:34:41,209 They're going in the book. They're going in the book.
825 00:34:41,253 00:34:43,081 [ Receiver clicks ] [ Receiver clicks ]
826 00:34:44,299 00:34:48,086 Esquivel: This is getting worse than if it was a crazy guy. Esquivel: This is getting worse than if it was a crazy guy.
827 00:34:49,739 00:34:51,785 It always gets worse. It always gets worse.
828 00:34:55,919 00:34:57,443 Clarice: It's 102 Somersby. Clarice: It's 102 Somersby.
829 00:34:57,486 00:34:58,966 100 -- that's it. 100 -- that's it.
830 00:34:59,009 00:35:03,013 ♪♪ ♪♪
831 00:35:03,057 00:35:04,232 Whoa. Hold up. Whoa. Hold up.
832 00:35:04,276 00:35:05,842 That Jeep doesn't have any plates. That Jeep doesn't have any plates.
833 00:35:05,886 00:35:07,757 What? What?
834 00:35:07,801 00:35:10,108 What the hell?I was a counter sniper. What the hell?I was a counter sniper.
835 00:35:10,151 00:35:12,327 Had to figure out where the other guy was gonna be Had to figure out where the other guy was gonna be
836 00:35:12,371 00:35:14,155 or everybody'd be dead. or everybody'd be dead.
837 00:35:14,199 00:35:21,075 ♪♪ ♪♪
838 00:35:21,119 00:35:25,471 Smoke it all the way to the butt, pinch it dead. Smoke it all the way to the butt, pinch it dead.
839 00:35:25,514 00:35:27,342 This is how the Special Forces guys This is how the Special Forces guys
840 00:35:27,386 00:35:29,910 field-strip their cigarettes. field-strip their cigarettes.
841 00:35:29,953 00:35:32,173 They definitely don't make wounds that kiss. They definitely don't make wounds that kiss.
842 00:35:32,217 00:35:39,441 ♪♪ ♪♪
843 00:35:39,485 00:35:40,616 He's in the house. He's in the house.
844 00:35:40,660 00:35:43,619 [ Door slams open ] [ Door slams open ]
845 00:35:43,663 00:35:45,839 [ Floorboards creaking ] [ Floorboards creaking ]
846 00:35:45,882 00:35:53,455 ♪♪ ♪♪
847 00:35:53,499 00:36:01,202 ♪♪ ♪♪
848 00:36:01,246 00:36:03,161 [ Creaking ] [ Creaking ]
849 00:36:03,204 00:36:10,820 ♪♪ ♪♪
850 00:36:10,864 00:36:18,263 ♪♪ ♪♪
851 00:36:18,306 00:36:22,005 [ Steam hissing, lid rattling ] [ Steam hissing, lid rattling ]
852 00:36:24,094 00:36:27,881 ♪♪ ♪♪
853 00:36:27,924 00:36:31,450 ♪♪ ♪♪
854 00:36:31,493 00:36:33,103 [ Door creaks ] [ Door creaks ]
855 00:36:33,147 00:36:40,067 ♪♪ ♪♪
856 00:36:40,110 00:36:42,417 [ Door creaks ] [ Door creaks ]
857 00:36:42,461 00:36:46,073 ♪♪ ♪♪
858 00:36:46,116 00:36:47,553 Oh, God, no. Oh, God, no.
859 00:36:47,596 00:36:49,076 No, no, no, no, no. No, no, no, no, no.
860 00:36:49,119 00:36:50,817 Clarice! Up here! Clarice! Up here!
861 00:36:50,860 00:36:53,211 ♪♪ ♪♪
862 00:36:53,254 00:36:54,429 Esquivel?! Esquivel?!
863 00:36:54,473 00:36:55,952 [ Glass shatters ] [ Glass shatters ]
864 00:36:55,996 00:36:59,652 ♪♪ ♪♪
865 00:36:59,695 00:37:01,044 [ Gun thuds ] [ Gun thuds ]
866 00:37:01,088 00:37:04,091 ♪♪ ♪♪
867 00:37:04,134 00:37:05,223 [ Glass shatters ] [ Glass shatters ]
868 00:37:05,266 00:37:12,882 ♪♪ ♪♪
869 00:37:12,926 00:37:15,233 Go! I've got her! Go! Go! Go! I've got her! Go! Go!
870 00:37:15,276 00:37:17,104 Halt. FBI. Halt. FBI.
871 00:37:17,147 00:37:18,410 ♪♪ ♪♪
872 00:37:18,453 00:37:20,499 [ Coughing ] [ Coughing ]
873 00:37:20,542 00:37:23,589 ♪♪ ♪♪
874 00:37:23,632 00:37:26,026 [ Breathing heavily ] [ Breathing heavily ]
875 00:37:26,069 00:37:32,946 ♪♪ ♪♪
876 00:37:32,989 00:37:34,600 [ Gun thuds, glass shatters ] [ Gun thuds, glass shatters ]
877 00:37:34,643 00:37:44,610 ♪♪ ♪♪
878 00:37:44,653 00:37:54,620 ♪♪ ♪♪
879 00:37:54,663 00:37:57,013 [ Gunshots ] [ Gunshots ]
880 00:37:57,057 00:38:00,713 ♪♪ ♪♪
881 00:38:00,756 00:38:02,367 [ Breathing raggedly ] [ Breathing raggedly ]
882 00:38:02,410 00:38:08,111 ♪♪ ♪♪
883 00:38:08,155 00:38:10,636 [ Breathing heavily ] [ Breathing heavily ]
884 00:38:13,726 00:38:15,249 You're not crazy. You're not crazy.
885 00:38:15,293 00:38:18,078 Crazy men don't stage a suicide, you son of a bitch. Crazy men don't stage a suicide, you son of a bitch.
886 00:38:18,121 00:38:19,819 You have the right to remain silent. You have the right to remain silent.
887 00:38:19,862 00:38:22,648 Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law. Anything you say can be used against you in a court of law.
888 00:38:22,691 00:38:25,999 You have... no idea what this is. You have... no idea what this is.
889 00:38:26,042 00:38:27,566 You're gonna tell me who paid you You're gonna tell me who paid you
890 00:38:27,609 00:38:30,133 to kill those three women. to kill those three women.
891 00:38:30,177 00:38:31,657 Give me their names! Give me their names!
892 00:38:31,700 00:38:37,184 ♪♪ ♪♪
893 00:38:37,227 00:38:39,186 Get me a deal. Get me a deal.
894 00:38:39,229 00:38:41,362 ♪♪ ♪♪
895 00:38:41,406 00:38:43,930 Rebecca, were Angela Bird, Tess Laughty, and Sandra Bishop Rebecca, were Angela Bird, Tess Laughty, and Sandra Bishop
896 00:38:43,973 00:38:45,714 gonna talk to you about the trials? gonna talk to you about the trials?
897 00:38:45,758 00:38:46,846 The clinical trials? The clinical trials?
898 00:38:46,889 00:38:50,893 Agent. Agent, we have to go now. Agent. Agent, we have to go now.
899 00:38:50,937 00:38:52,721 Thank you for what you did. Thank you for what you did.
900 00:38:55,071 00:38:56,551 [ Gurney clacks ] [ Gurney clacks ]
901 00:39:00,425 00:39:02,078 [ Siren chirping ] [ Siren chirping ]
902 00:39:04,603 00:39:07,649 Yes, ma'am. I understand. Yes, ma'am. I understand.
903 00:39:11,436 00:39:12,654 Explain yourself. Explain yourself.
904 00:39:12,698 00:39:14,613 Sir, that man is a professional. Sir, that man is a professional.
905 00:39:14,656 00:39:16,876 He was contracted to kill Rebecca Clark-Sherman -- He was contracted to kill Rebecca Clark-Sherman --
906 00:39:16,919 00:39:18,138 to make it look like a suicide to make it look like a suicide
907 00:39:18,181 00:39:19,835 so we wouldn't connect it to the others. so we wouldn't connect it to the others.
908 00:39:19,879 00:39:21,707 We got him before he --I didn't ask you. We got him before he --I didn't ask you.
909 00:39:21,750 00:39:23,273 He wants a deal, sir. He wants a deal, sir.
910 00:39:23,317 00:39:25,624 He was paid to clean up after some kind of clinical trial. He was paid to clean up after some kind of clinical trial.
911 00:39:25,667 00:39:27,103 Those women were whistleblowers, Those women were whistleblowers,
912 00:39:27,147 00:39:29,410 and Clark-Sherman was gonna tell their story. and Clark-Sherman was gonna tell their story.
913 00:39:29,454 00:39:30,716 Can you prove any of this? Can you prove any of this?
914 00:39:30,759 00:39:32,718 Not yet. Not yet.
915 00:39:32,761 00:39:34,415 Starling. Starling.
916 00:39:34,459 00:39:35,460 Do you know how you sound? Do you know how you sound?
917 00:39:35,503 00:39:37,418 Yes. Like an agent of the FBI. Yes. Like an agent of the FBI.
918 00:39:37,462 00:39:38,811 We don't make deals. We don't make deals.
919 00:39:38,854 00:39:40,595 Sir, he's spooked someone will get to him. Sir, he's spooked someone will get to him.
920 00:39:40,639 00:39:42,075 He wants to talk now.It's not your call. He wants to talk now.It's not your call.
921 00:39:42,118 00:39:43,946 You will go to the press, and you will tell them You will go to the press, and you will tell them
922 00:39:43,990 00:39:45,861 that these murders were the work of a serial killer. that these murders were the work of a serial killer.
923 00:39:45,905 00:39:48,255 We caught him. We're locking him away. We caught him. We're locking him away.
924 00:39:48,298 00:39:51,519 They can go back to their lives, safe. They can go back to their lives, safe.
925 00:39:51,563 00:39:52,912 Safe? Safe?
926 00:39:52,955 00:39:55,915 These were not random victims of a random crazy man. These were not random victims of a random crazy man.
927 00:39:55,958 00:39:57,743 They were trying to speak up. They were trying to speak up.
928 00:39:57,786 00:39:59,571 Why are you so unwilling to consider that? Why are you so unwilling to consider that?
929 00:39:59,614 00:40:01,442 Of course I'm considering it. Of course I'm considering it.
930 00:40:01,486 00:40:03,226 That is another one of the many assumptions That is another one of the many assumptions
931 00:40:03,270 00:40:05,011 you've been making since we met. you've been making since we met.
932 00:40:05,054 00:40:07,317 What I'm not willing to do is put the lives of my team What I'm not willing to do is put the lives of my team
933 00:40:07,361 00:40:09,929 on the line based on the feelings of a junior agent on the line based on the feelings of a junior agent
934 00:40:09,972 00:40:12,540 who consistently presumes she knows better. who consistently presumes she knows better.
935 00:40:12,584 00:40:14,194 That's how people get hurt. That's how people get hurt.
936 00:40:14,237 00:40:16,805 Now, we'll investigate the conspiracy angle without you. Now, we'll investigate the conspiracy angle without you.
937 00:40:16,849 00:40:19,460 Pull yourself together and get out there. Pull yourself together and get out there.
938 00:40:19,504 00:40:24,509 ♪♪ ♪♪
939 00:40:24,552 00:40:26,293 [ Indistinct shouting, camera shutters clicking ] [ Indistinct shouting, camera shutters clicking ]
940 00:40:26,336 00:40:27,599 Woman: What's his name? Woman: What's his name?
941 00:40:27,642 00:40:29,035 [ Shouting continues ] [ Shouting continues ]
942 00:40:29,078 00:40:31,603 Woman: Is it an ongoing investigation? Woman: Is it an ongoing investigation?
943 00:40:31,646 00:40:34,040 Woman #2: Clarice, can you give us any more details? Woman #2: Clarice, can you give us any more details?
944 00:40:34,083 00:40:41,569 ♪♪ ♪♪
945 00:40:41,613 00:40:44,354 [ Camera shutters clicking ] [ Camera shutters clicking ]
946 00:40:44,398 00:40:47,706 I grew up in Kanawha County, West Virginia. I grew up in Kanawha County, West Virginia.
947 00:40:47,749 00:40:49,185 And when I was about 8 years old, And when I was about 8 years old,
948 00:40:49,229 00:40:51,318 a member of the school board tried to ban some books. a member of the school board tried to ban some books.
949 00:40:51,361 00:40:55,061 I was just a kid, but I went to my pastor and I asked him, I was just a kid, but I went to my pastor and I asked him,
950 00:40:55,104 00:40:57,672 "Whose stories are worth telling? "Whose stories are worth telling?
951 00:40:59,761 00:41:03,286 Whose are worth hearing?" Whose are worth hearing?"
952 00:41:03,330 00:41:06,899 And he said, "Never let anyone decide that for you." And he said, "Never let anyone decide that for you."
953 00:41:10,555 00:41:16,169 Tonight, thanks to the Metro Police and the ViCAP Task Force, Tonight, thanks to the Metro Police and the ViCAP Task Force,
954 00:41:16,212 00:41:17,692 we got the guy, we got the guy,
955 00:41:17,736 00:41:19,738 the man who murdered Angela Bird, the man who murdered Angela Bird,
956 00:41:19,781 00:41:21,522 Tess Laughty, Sandra Bishop, Tess Laughty, Sandra Bishop,
957 00:41:21,566 00:41:23,524 and tried to murder Rebecca Clark-Sherman. and tried to murder Rebecca Clark-Sherman.
958 00:41:23,568 00:41:25,308 Clarice!Can you ID the serial killer for us? Clarice!Can you ID the serial killer for us?
959 00:41:25,352 00:41:27,528 What's his name? What's his name?
960 00:41:27,572 00:41:31,532 Angela Bird, Tess Laughty, Sandra Bishop, Angela Bird, Tess Laughty, Sandra Bishop,
961 00:41:31,576 00:41:34,535 and Rebecca Clark-Sherman -- and Rebecca Clark-Sherman --
962 00:41:34,579 00:41:37,364 Their names are more important. Their names are more important.
963 00:41:37,407 00:41:41,150 And they were not random victims of a serial killer. And they were not random victims of a serial killer.
964 00:41:41,194 00:41:44,937 They died trying to tell a story. They died trying to tell a story.
965 00:41:44,980 00:41:46,547 A story that isn't over. A story that isn't over.
966 00:41:46,591 00:41:47,809 This wasn't a serial killer? This wasn't a serial killer?
967 00:41:47,853 00:41:49,289 Is it an ongoing investigation? Is it an ongoing investigation?
968 00:41:49,332 00:41:52,161 Will you be staying on in Washington full time, Clarice? Will you be staying on in Washington full time, Clarice?
969 00:41:52,205 00:41:58,646 ♪♪ ♪♪
970 00:41:58,690 00:42:01,562 I'll be here until we close the book. I'll be here until we close the book.
971 00:42:01,606 00:42:04,043 [ Reporters shouting ] [ Reporters shouting ]
972 00:42:11,659 00:42:18,231 ♪♪ ♪♪
973 00:42:18,274 00:42:24,585 ♪♪ ♪♪
974 00:42:24,629 00:42:31,157 ♪♪ ♪♪