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1 00:00:08,500 00:00:13,083 Man on radio: Target number Hotel-November-5-2-0-9er. Man on radio: Target number Hotel-November-5-2-0-9er.
2 00:00:13,083 00:00:13,417 Request splash-out. Request splash-out.
3 00:00:13,417 00:00:15,500 [ Beep ] [ Beep ]
4 00:00:15,500 00:00:17,291 Man #2: Roger that. Man #2: Roger that.
5 00:00:19,708 00:00:20,708 Splash out now. Splash out now.
6 00:00:20,708 00:00:22,166 [ Beep ] [ Beep ]
7 00:00:22,166 00:00:25,625 There are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon. There are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon.
8 00:00:27,834 00:00:31,667 -3-0-1 ready to go. -Radio 3-0-1. -3-0-1 ready to go. -Radio 3-0-1.
9 00:00:31,667 00:00:33,875 You have two choices -- either hijra... You have two choices -- either hijra...
10 00:00:33,875 00:00:36,500 Radio 3-0-1-0-0 in and out. Radio 3-0-1-0-0 in and out.
11 00:00:36,500 00:00:38,875 3-0-9. 3-0-9.
12 00:00:40,500 00:00:42,917 ...or jihad. ...or jihad.
13 00:00:42,917 00:00:45,333 -This is Starter 2. -Roger that. -This is Starter 2. -Roger that.
14 00:00:48,000 00:00:50,667 You either leave or you fight. You either leave or you fight.
15 00:00:52,125 00:00:55,208 I, for one, was born in the U.S. I, for one, was born in the U.S.
16 00:00:55,208 00:00:58,708 and lived in the U.S. for 21 years. and lived in the U.S. for 21 years.
17 00:01:00,291 00:01:02,500 I was a preacher of Islam, I was a preacher of Islam,
18 00:01:02,500 00:01:06,125 involved in nonviolent Islamic activism. involved in nonviolent Islamic activism.
19 00:01:06,125 00:01:09,208 However, with the American invasion of Iraq, However, with the American invasion of Iraq,
20 00:01:09,208 00:01:13,542 I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. I could not reconcile between living in the U.S.
21 00:01:13,542 00:01:15,083 and being a Muslim. and being a Muslim.
22 00:01:15,083 00:01:19,083 I came to the conclusion that jihad against America I came to the conclusion that jihad against America
23 00:01:19,083 00:01:21,208 is binding upon myself, is binding upon myself,
24 00:01:21,208 00:01:24,417 just as it is binding on every other able Muslim. just as it is binding on every other able Muslim.
25 00:01:24,417 00:01:27,583 Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, Warsame: When I first started watching those videos,
26 00:01:27,583 00:01:30,750 I thought I was the only one. I thought I was the only one.
27 00:01:30,750 00:01:35,417 I specifically invite the youth to either fight in the West I specifically invite the youth to either fight in the West
28 00:01:35,417 00:01:39,250 or join their brothers in the fronts of jihad. or join their brothers in the fronts of jihad.
29 00:01:39,250 00:01:41,834 You guys need to come here. This is the place to be. You guys need to come here. This is the place to be.
30 00:01:41,834 00:01:46,583 That video -- it was really shocking to me. That video -- it was really shocking to me.
31 00:01:46,583 00:01:50,291 I can't comprehend him being violent. I can't comprehend him being violent.
32 00:01:52,542 00:01:55,959 We did not know that he had been fully radicalized, We did not know that he had been fully radicalized,
33 00:01:55,959 00:02:00,417 loaded up as a bomb himself. loaded up as a bomb himself.
34 00:02:00,417 00:02:02,083 Kensky: These weren't outsiders. Kensky: These weren't outsiders.
35 00:02:02,083 00:02:05,000 We were members of the same community. We were members of the same community.
36 00:02:05,000 00:02:08,125 So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. So it's even more confusing and harder to understand.
37 00:02:08,125 00:02:11,792 Warsame: I was messaging him through an app, Warsame: I was messaging him through an app,
38 00:02:11,792 00:02:14,041 and he told me that he was in a training camp. and he told me that he was in a training camp.
39 00:02:14,041 00:02:16,542 I remember him telling me, I remember him telling me,
40 00:02:16,542 00:02:18,333 "I'm having the time of my life." "I'm having the time of my life."
41 00:02:18,333 00:02:21,500 I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen.
42 00:02:21,500 00:02:25,333 Reporter: Anwar al-Awlaki's rise from American-born cleric Reporter: Anwar al-Awlaki's rise from American-born cleric
43 00:02:25,333 00:02:26,667 to key terror plotter to key terror plotter
44 00:02:26,667 00:02:30,125 had put him atop the U.S. terror hit list. had put him atop the U.S. terror hit list.
45 00:02:30,125 00:02:32,208 Reporter: The Justice Department wrote a secret memo Reporter: The Justice Department wrote a secret memo
46 00:02:32,208 00:02:33,917 authorizing the killing of Awlaki. authorizing the killing of Awlaki.
47 00:02:33,917 00:02:35,083 Pilot: I got good range, good limits on him. Pilot: I got good range, good limits on him.
48 00:02:35,083 00:02:37,625 Declare fire. Declare fire. Declare fire. Declare fire.
49 00:02:37,625 00:02:41,125 Reporter: U.S. intelligence says Awlaki was on the hit list, Reporter: U.S. intelligence says Awlaki was on the hit list,
50 00:02:41,125 00:02:43,542 although he wasn't killed. although he wasn't killed.
51 00:02:43,542 00:02:45,875 al-Awlaki: We cannot stand idly in the face of such aggression. al-Awlaki: We cannot stand idly in the face of such aggression.
52 00:02:45,875 00:02:48,333 And we will fight back And we will fight back
53 00:02:48,333 00:02:50,500 and incite others to do the same. and incite others to do the same.
54 00:02:50,500 00:02:52,291 Would you fight back? Would you fight back?
55 00:02:52,291 00:02:55,000 My ancestry dates all the way back to the Mayflower. My ancestry dates all the way back to the Mayflower.
56 00:02:55,000 00:02:57,583 We will fight you and destroy you if we have to. We will fight you and destroy you if we have to.
57 00:02:57,583 00:02:59,792 By that time, I was firmly committed, By that time, I was firmly committed,
58 00:02:59,792 00:03:02,000 and I was inserting the rhetoric of al-Qaeda and I was inserting the rhetoric of al-Qaeda
59 00:03:02,000 00:03:03,375 into the American arena. into the American arena.
60 00:03:03,375 00:03:05,708 We're not calling for your death and destruction, We're not calling for your death and destruction,
61 00:03:05,708 00:03:06,834 unless, of course, you continue to fight us. unless, of course, you continue to fight us.
62 00:03:06,834 00:03:09,708 I was still radical. I was still radical.
63 00:03:09,708 00:03:11,417 [ Door clanks ] [ Door clanks ]
64 00:03:11,417 00:03:12,834 I was in prison. I was in prison.
65 00:03:12,834 00:03:15,125 And one day, I'm sitting there in the bunk, And one day, I'm sitting there in the bunk,
66 00:03:15,125 00:03:18,792 and, all of a sudden, I see Anwar al-Awlaki on TV. and, all of a sudden, I see Anwar al-Awlaki on TV.
67 00:03:18,792 00:03:20,959 I didn't know what was going on. I didn't know what was going on.
68 00:03:20,959 00:03:24,083 I figured that he had ordered an operation. I figured that he had ordered an operation.
69 00:03:24,083 00:03:27,000 Reporter: Early Friday, a CIA drone found its target. Reporter: Early Friday, a CIA drone found its target.
70 00:03:27,000 00:03:29,208 [ Radio static ] [ Radio static ]
71 00:03:29,208 00:03:32,875 He was killed by a drone attack. He was killed by a drone attack.
72 00:03:32,875 00:03:35,792 Everybody figured he was invincible -- everybody. Everybody figured he was invincible -- everybody.
73 00:03:35,792 00:03:39,041 Awlaki was the leader of external operations Awlaki was the leader of external operations
74 00:03:39,041 00:03:41,625 for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
75 00:03:41,625 00:03:43,792 Reporter: The loss of Awlaki is another major blow to al-Qaeda, Reporter: The loss of Awlaki is another major blow to al-Qaeda,
76 00:03:43,792 00:03:49,083 coming just five months after the killing of Osama bin Laden. coming just five months after the killing of Osama bin Laden.
77 00:03:49,083 00:03:51,041 Morton: Osama bin Laden was dead. Morton: Osama bin Laden was dead.
78 00:03:51,041 00:03:53,500 Now the primary ideologue in the English language, Now the primary ideologue in the English language,
79 00:03:53,500 00:03:54,583 Awlaki, was dead. Awlaki, was dead.
80 00:03:54,583 00:03:57,875 I was like, "Wow, they really just won the war." I was like, "Wow, they really just won the war."
81 00:03:57,875 00:04:00,041 [ Explosion ] [ Explosion ]
82 00:04:00,041 00:04:01,375 Man: Everybody get off of the street! Man: Everybody get off of the street!
83 00:04:01,375 00:04:04,333 Shreiber: But the war was not over. Shreiber: But the war was not over.
84 00:04:04,333 00:04:05,625 Even in death, Awlaki's message Even in death, Awlaki's message
85 00:04:05,625 00:04:09,375 continued to capture the hearts and minds of Americans. continued to capture the hearts and minds of Americans.
86 00:04:24,750 00:04:28,208 ♪♪ ♪♪
87 00:04:36,959 00:04:38,083 Um... Um...
88 00:04:38,083 00:04:40,917 I'm more New York-ish. I'm more New York-ish.
89 00:04:40,917 00:04:43,083 But, uh, it's better than not having access But, uh, it's better than not having access
90 00:04:43,083 00:04:45,625 to a city at all, you know? to a city at all, you know?
91 00:04:47,250 00:04:50,291 My kids are in a great public-school system, My kids are in a great public-school system,
92 00:04:50,291 00:04:52,458 so I'm very happy for that. so I'm very happy for that.
93 00:04:56,959 00:04:59,542 Sure. Yeah, yeah, sure. Sure. Yeah, yeah, sure.
94 00:04:59,542 00:05:01,208 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
95 00:05:01,208 00:05:04,750 Shreiber: In September 2016, Shreiber: In September 2016,
96 00:05:04,750 00:05:06,583 five years after the deaths five years after the deaths
97 00:05:06,583 00:05:08,667 of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki, of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki,
98 00:05:08,667 00:05:13,250 another in a series of attacks occurred on U.S. soil. another in a series of attacks occurred on U.S. soil.
99 00:05:13,250 00:05:16,417 Following a three-day manhunt, Following a three-day manhunt,
100 00:05:16,417 00:05:18,458 the suspect in the bombings, the suspect in the bombings,
101 00:05:18,458 00:05:21,041 28-year-old Ahmad Khan Rahami, 28-year-old Ahmad Khan Rahami,
102 00:05:21,041 00:05:22,875 a naturalized U.S. citizen, a naturalized U.S. citizen,
103 00:05:22,875 00:05:26,750 was was captured after a gun battle with police. was was captured after a gun battle with police.
104 00:05:26,750 00:05:29,625 Morton: They found a notebook today, Morton: They found a notebook today,
105 00:05:29,625 00:05:33,625 heavily influenced by Anwar al-Awlaki's musings. heavily influenced by Anwar al-Awlaki's musings.
106 00:05:33,625 00:05:37,959 al-Awlaki: I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. al-Awlaki: I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen.
107 00:05:37,959 00:05:42,792 So maybe homegrown, maybe foreign-plotted. So maybe homegrown, maybe foreign-plotted.
108 00:05:42,792 00:05:46,208 The way that he laid it in the Dumpster, I don't know. The way that he laid it in the Dumpster, I don't know.
109 00:05:46,208 00:05:48,458 Not -- Doesn't seem like a trained operative, Not -- Doesn't seem like a trained operative,
110 00:05:48,458 00:05:50,625 from that standpoint. from that standpoint.
111 00:05:50,625 00:05:53,000 Just when you think like it's going to go away Just when you think like it's going to go away
112 00:05:53,000 00:05:56,125 for a while, you know? for a while, you know?
113 00:05:56,125 00:05:59,208 It's not like you can move away from this. It's not like you can move away from this.
114 00:05:59,208 00:06:00,834 You can't run. You can't run.
115 00:06:00,834 00:06:03,500 Like, you can't ignore what you've done. Like, you can't ignore what you've done.
116 00:06:07,250 00:06:10,959 This revival, ya Muslimin, requires that you rise up, This revival, ya Muslimin, requires that you rise up,
117 00:06:10,959 00:06:13,917 that you make dua for the mujahideen... that you make dua for the mujahideen...
118 00:06:18,375 00:06:20,583 ...that you defend them when they're assaulted ...that you defend them when they're assaulted
119 00:06:20,583 00:06:23,583 by the moderates and by the enemies of Islam. by the moderates and by the enemies of Islam.
120 00:06:23,583 00:06:25,750 Hitchens: Throughout our history, we had individuals Hitchens: Throughout our history, we had individuals
121 00:06:25,750 00:06:26,875 who were mainstream members of society who were mainstream members of society
122 00:06:26,875 00:06:30,041 turn against their societies for various reasons. turn against their societies for various reasons.
123 00:06:30,041 00:06:32,333 This is something that has always happened. This is something that has always happened.
124 00:06:35,208 00:06:37,250 So the phenomenon of people joining ISIS, So the phenomenon of people joining ISIS,
125 00:06:37,250 00:06:40,041 joining al-Qaeda, is nothing new. joining al-Qaeda, is nothing new.
126 00:06:40,041 00:06:41,458 I think we think of terrorism I think we think of terrorism
127 00:06:41,458 00:06:43,875 as a foreign thing because, on 9/11, as a foreign thing because, on 9/11,
128 00:06:43,875 00:06:46,500 we were attacked by 19 foreign-born Arab terrorists. we were attacked by 19 foreign-born Arab terrorists.
129 00:06:46,500 00:06:49,917 But, in fact, it is a very homegrown thing. But, in fact, it is a very homegrown thing.
130 00:06:49,917 00:06:53,542 I've looked at 300-plus cases of jihadi terrorism since 9/11, I've looked at 300-plus cases of jihadi terrorism since 9/11,
131 00:06:53,542 00:06:55,208 and they're overwhelmingly Americans and they're overwhelmingly Americans
132 00:06:55,208 00:06:57,542 who are radicalizing online. who are radicalizing online.
133 00:06:57,542 00:07:00,583 There have been Americans associated with al-Qaeda There have been Americans associated with al-Qaeda
134 00:07:00,583 00:07:02,000 for a long time. for a long time.
135 00:07:02,000 00:07:03,750 Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico. Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico.
136 00:07:03,750 00:07:07,750 America as a whole has turned into a nation of evil. America as a whole has turned into a nation of evil.
137 00:07:07,750 00:07:12,583 What we're seeing is the Americanization of jihadism. What we're seeing is the Americanization of jihadism.
138 00:07:12,583 00:07:14,375 And we have to try and understand And we have to try and understand
139 00:07:14,375 00:07:15,875 why this is happening. why this is happening.
140 00:07:15,875 00:07:18,583 Why is it that we're not able to sell our values Why is it that we're not able to sell our values
141 00:07:18,583 00:07:22,208 and our system to our own people? and our system to our own people?
142 00:07:22,208 00:07:23,250 Why is it that the joining of groups Why is it that the joining of groups
143 00:07:23,250 00:07:24,625 like ISIS and al-Qaeda like ISIS and al-Qaeda
144 00:07:24,625 00:07:27,708 is a more attractive option for people? is a more attractive option for people?
145 00:07:27,708 00:07:31,417 ♪♪ ♪♪
146 00:07:31,417 00:07:34,083 Hughes: We lovingly call that the "Beautiful Mind" board Hughes: We lovingly call that the "Beautiful Mind" board
147 00:07:34,083 00:07:36,291 when it comes to jihadist recruits. when it comes to jihadist recruits.
148 00:07:36,291 00:07:38,250 Very rudimentary, kind of reminds me, again, Very rudimentary, kind of reminds me, again,
149 00:07:38,250 00:07:40,291 of the old-school Mafia days of the old-school Mafia days
150 00:07:40,291 00:07:43,458 of which dots connected to that one. of which dots connected to that one.
151 00:07:43,458 00:07:46,166 I was at the Senate Homeland Security Committee, I was at the Senate Homeland Security Committee,
152 00:07:46,166 00:07:50,375 and homegrown terrorism was just kind of starting to bubble up. and homegrown terrorism was just kind of starting to bubble up.
153 00:07:50,375 00:07:53,417 The average age of a guy that was drawn to this was 26. The average age of a guy that was drawn to this was 26.
154 00:07:53,417 00:07:55,542 I was 26. They kind of threw the cases on me and said, I was 26. They kind of threw the cases on me and said,
155 00:07:55,542 00:07:58,500 you know, "Figure out this niche." you know, "Figure out this niche."
156 00:07:58,500 00:08:02,291 Why people join terrorist organizations is complex. Why people join terrorist organizations is complex.
157 00:08:02,291 00:08:04,291 Radicalization isn't a linear process. Radicalization isn't a linear process.
158 00:08:04,291 00:08:07,500 Just not how it works. Just not how it works.
159 00:08:07,500 00:08:09,458 Hitchens: There is no single type of person Hitchens: There is no single type of person
160 00:08:09,458 00:08:13,041 who gets drawn into this ideology. who gets drawn into this ideology.
161 00:08:13,041 00:08:15,166 Hughes: They're rich, they're poor, you know, Hughes: They're rich, they're poor, you know,
162 00:08:15,166 00:08:17,291 they're college graduates and high-school dropouts. they're college graduates and high-school dropouts.
163 00:08:17,291 00:08:19,333 It runs a spectrum. It runs a spectrum.
164 00:08:19,333 00:08:22,000 In 90% of the cases, they're male. In 90% of the cases, they're male.
165 00:08:22,000 00:08:23,333 They tend to be younger. They tend to be younger.
166 00:08:23,333 00:08:25,000 Man: What is your name? What is your name? Man: What is your name? What is your name?
167 00:08:25,000 00:08:25,667 -Muhammad. -Muhammad what? -Muhammad. -Muhammad what?
168 00:08:25,667 00:08:28,291 Younus Abdullah Muhammad. Younus Abdullah Muhammad.
169 00:08:28,291 00:08:29,208 That's my name. -Who do you represent? That's my name. -Who do you represent?
170 00:08:29,208 00:08:32,708 I represent Islam. I represent Islam.
171 00:08:32,708 00:08:33,625 Shreiber: Younus Abdullah Muhammad Shreiber: Younus Abdullah Muhammad
172 00:08:33,625 00:08:38,875 was born in Pennsylvania as Jesse Morton. was born in Pennsylvania as Jesse Morton.
173 00:08:38,875 00:08:42,291 Hughes: Jesse's story is interesting in terms of radicalization. Hughes: Jesse's story is interesting in terms of radicalization.
174 00:08:42,291 00:08:45,166 But it's more interesting to me in terms of de-radicalization. But it's more interesting to me in terms of de-radicalization.
175 00:08:45,166 00:08:46,208 How does an individual like that, How does an individual like that,
176 00:08:46,208 00:08:48,625 a prominent player on the scene, able to get out, a prominent player on the scene, able to get out,
177 00:08:48,625 00:08:50,708 and what does that lesson tell us? and what does that lesson tell us?
178 00:08:50,708 00:08:55,500 Morton: My birth was in Pennsylvania. Morton: My birth was in Pennsylvania.
179 00:08:55,500 00:08:56,875 And my ancestry dates And my ancestry dates
180 00:08:56,875 00:08:59,750 all the way back to the Mayflower all the way back to the Mayflower
181 00:08:59,750 00:09:01,959 and the Sons and Daughters and the Sons and Daughters
182 00:09:01,959 00:09:04,542 of the American Revolution. of the American Revolution.
183 00:09:04,542 00:09:09,417 I went through severe abuse in the early stages of my life. I went through severe abuse in the early stages of my life.
184 00:09:09,417 00:09:13,000 That led me to run away That led me to run away
185 00:09:13,000 00:09:16,959 at the age of 16 to flee the abuse. at the age of 16 to flee the abuse.
186 00:09:16,959 00:09:20,208 I started selling drugs to survive, I started selling drugs to survive,
187 00:09:20,208 00:09:22,667 and wound up in jail. and wound up in jail.
188 00:09:24,125 00:09:27,708 Shreiber: While in prison, Jesse discovered the Qur'an. Shreiber: While in prison, Jesse discovered the Qur'an.
189 00:09:27,708 00:09:30,750 Morton: Picked it up, read the second chapter. Morton: Picked it up, read the second chapter.
190 00:09:30,750 00:09:34,667 And it say, "This is a book wherein there is no doubt." And it say, "This is a book wherein there is no doubt."
191 00:09:34,667 00:09:36,542 You know, I was overcome with emotions, started to cry, You know, I was overcome with emotions, started to cry,
192 00:09:36,542 00:09:39,583 started to want to change my life, started to want to change my life,
193 00:09:39,583 00:09:41,166 and decided right then and there and decided right then and there
194 00:09:41,166 00:09:42,250 that I wanted to become a Muslim. that I wanted to become a Muslim.
195 00:09:42,250 00:09:45,417 I was practicing Islam, I was practicing Islam,
196 00:09:45,417 00:09:48,166 and it established stability in my life. and it established stability in my life.
197 00:09:48,166 00:09:49,417 Woman: Jesse Morton. Woman: Jesse Morton.
198 00:09:49,417 00:09:51,667 I graduated from Columbia, I graduated from Columbia,
199 00:09:51,667 00:09:53,208 and immediately, and immediately,
200 00:09:53,208 00:09:55,083 my dream was to go to the Muslim world my dream was to go to the Muslim world
201 00:09:55,083 00:09:57,250 and to become a teacher. and to become a teacher.
202 00:09:57,250 00:10:01,250 From there, things got more complicated, From there, things got more complicated,
203 00:10:01,250 00:10:04,834 and I eased myself into the jihadist world. and I eased myself into the jihadist world.
204 00:10:04,834 00:10:08,083 The Internet was full of preachers The Internet was full of preachers
205 00:10:08,083 00:10:10,166 that were very radical, that were very radical,
206 00:10:10,166 00:10:12,917 and I would just listen to their lectures constantly. and I would just listen to their lectures constantly.
207 00:10:14,250 00:10:16,333 That's how I started participating That's how I started participating
208 00:10:16,333 00:10:17,834 in the Islamic Thinkers Society. in the Islamic Thinkers Society.
209 00:10:26,458 00:10:29,208 Espousing radical ideology was an outlet for my rage, Espousing radical ideology was an outlet for my rage,
210 00:10:29,208 00:10:31,000 my frustration. my frustration.
211 00:10:31,000 00:10:37,208 Here Allah, azza wa jal, says, "Jihad is ordained for you." Here Allah, azza wa jal, says, "Jihad is ordained for you."
212 00:10:40,291 00:10:45,250 Well, I was born and raised in Saint Louis, Well, I was born and raised in Saint Louis,
213 00:10:45,250 00:10:50,125 and I was raised a Catholic because my mother was a nun. and I was raised a Catholic because my mother was a nun.
214 00:10:50,125 00:10:53,125 She left the convent, but she was still very grounded She left the convent, but she was still very grounded
215 00:10:53,125 00:10:54,959 in her Catholic faith. in her Catholic faith.
216 00:10:54,959 00:10:58,417 And so that's how I received my moral foundation And so that's how I received my moral foundation
217 00:10:58,417 00:11:03,750 and the empathy that I was raised with to have for others. and the empathy that I was raised with to have for others.
218 00:11:03,750 00:11:05,583 I became Muslim in '92 I became Muslim in '92
219 00:11:05,583 00:11:09,667 when this echo of the war in Afghanistan was still there. when this echo of the war in Afghanistan was still there.
220 00:11:11,083 00:11:15,500 At that time, it was still sort of a memory among the Muslims At that time, it was still sort of a memory among the Muslims
221 00:11:15,500 00:11:18,291 about the noble jihad of the Afghan mujahideen about the noble jihad of the Afghan mujahideen
222 00:11:18,291 00:11:19,917 fighting against the Russians. fighting against the Russians.
223 00:11:19,917 00:11:21,917 [ Machine-gun fire ] [ Machine-gun fire ]
224 00:11:21,917 00:11:22,959 When I heard that word "mujahideen", When I heard that word "mujahideen",
225 00:11:22,959 00:11:28,000 something about that word kind of captured me. something about that word kind of captured me.
226 00:11:28,000 00:11:31,291 In the early '90s, '92, the war in Bosnia started. In the early '90s, '92, the war in Bosnia started.
227 00:11:31,291 00:11:34,667 ♪♪ ♪♪
228 00:11:34,667 00:11:38,750 I became outraged by all this violence I became outraged by all this violence
229 00:11:38,750 00:11:42,750 that was being directed at these innocent people. that was being directed at these innocent people.
230 00:11:42,750 00:11:44,959 And I immediately started to think, And I immediately started to think,
231 00:11:44,959 00:11:47,667 "Maybe I could go there and join them, "Maybe I could go there and join them,
232 00:11:47,667 00:11:49,542 just like the people who had gone to Afghanistan." just like the people who had gone to Afghanistan."
233 00:11:49,542 00:11:51,917 I figured it out from there. I figured it out from there.
234 00:11:51,917 00:11:53,708 I got my way to an Arab brigade I got my way to an Arab brigade
235 00:11:53,708 00:11:56,000 and was with them until the end of the war. and was with them until the end of the war.
236 00:11:56,000 00:11:59,208 [ Machine-gun fire ] [ Machine-gun fire ]
237 00:11:59,208 00:12:01,333 During war, you feel this adrenaline, During war, you feel this adrenaline,
238 00:12:01,333 00:12:03,583 you feel this honor in being a soldier you feel this honor in being a soldier
239 00:12:03,583 00:12:05,375 for a good cause, for a good cause,
240 00:12:05,375 00:12:09,542 that's thrilling, adventurous, meaningful. that's thrilling, adventurous, meaningful.
241 00:12:09,542 00:12:11,417 The Arabs that I was with -- The Arabs that I was with --
242 00:12:11,417 00:12:14,875 these were not people who were out committing suicide bombings. these were not people who were out committing suicide bombings.
243 00:12:14,875 00:12:17,000 We were actually just soldiers. We were actually just soldiers.
244 00:12:17,000 00:12:18,875 I never heard the word "al-Qaeda" then. I never heard the word "al-Qaeda" then.
245 00:12:18,875 00:12:21,917 I never heard the name Osama bin Laden. I never heard the name Osama bin Laden.
246 00:12:23,083 00:12:28,917 The term "jihad" has a lot of different connotations The term "jihad" has a lot of different connotations
247 00:12:28,917 00:12:31,000 for religious people. for religious people.
248 00:12:31,000 00:12:35,917 Since the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, Since the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan,
249 00:12:35,917 00:12:39,125 it has come to mean either "you pick up and you go it has come to mean either "you pick up and you go
250 00:12:39,125 00:12:42,125 to another country to defend your religion" to another country to defend your religion"
251 00:12:42,125 00:12:44,166 or "terrorism." or "terrorism."
252 00:12:44,166 00:12:47,583 Hitchens: Guys like Awlaki were very heavily involved Hitchens: Guys like Awlaki were very heavily involved
253 00:12:47,583 00:12:49,708 in legitimizing that form of terrorism. in legitimizing that form of terrorism.
254 00:12:49,708 00:12:52,291 Jihad has actually nothing to do with terrorism, Jihad has actually nothing to do with terrorism,
255 00:12:52,291 00:12:54,583 but he transferred the meaning to "jihad." but he transferred the meaning to "jihad."
256 00:12:54,583 00:12:57,458 It's embedded in his lectures. It's embedded in his lectures.
257 00:12:57,458 00:13:00,583 I listened to those, several times -- I listened to those, several times --
258 00:13:00,583 00:13:03,417 online, like many others. online, like many others.
259 00:13:03,417 00:13:06,208 al-Awlaki: Whenever you see the word "terrorist", al-Awlaki: Whenever you see the word "terrorist",
260 00:13:06,208 00:13:07,583 replace it with the word... replace it with the word...
261 00:13:07,583 00:13:09,417 "Mujahid," which is the Arabic word "Mujahid," which is the Arabic word
262 00:13:09,417 00:13:11,750 for someone who wages jihad. for someone who wages jihad.
263 00:13:11,750 00:13:13,834 Whenever you see the word "terrorism", Whenever you see the word "terrorism",
264 00:13:13,834 00:13:15,792 replace it with the word "jihad." replace it with the word "jihad."
265 00:13:15,792 00:13:18,000 Totally transferred its understanding Totally transferred its understanding
266 00:13:18,000 00:13:20,458 to equate going out onto the street, to equate going out onto the street,
267 00:13:20,458 00:13:21,792 outside of your house, outside of your house,
268 00:13:21,792 00:13:24,166 and just killing a random civilian and just killing a random civilian
269 00:13:24,166 00:13:27,083 as if you were waging holy war. as if you were waging holy war.
270 00:13:27,083 00:13:29,834 We have chosen the path of war We have chosen the path of war
271 00:13:29,834 00:13:32,917 in order to defend ourselves from your oppression. in order to defend ourselves from your oppression.
272 00:13:32,917 00:13:35,166 The legacy that he left is in the message. The legacy that he left is in the message.
273 00:13:35,166 00:13:36,834 God willing... God willing...
274 00:13:36,834 00:13:38,834 Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, Warsame: When I first started watching those videos,
275 00:13:38,834 00:13:41,542 the way he would talk, the way he would talk,
276 00:13:41,542 00:13:43,750 it was almost like he was talking to you it was almost like he was talking to you
277 00:13:43,750 00:13:46,083 and like you're the chosen one. and like you're the chosen one.
278 00:13:50,500 00:13:54,125 Luger: Yesterday morning, FBI agents arrested six men Luger: Yesterday morning, FBI agents arrested six men
279 00:13:54,125 00:13:57,291 charged by criminal complaint with conspiring charged by criminal complaint with conspiring
280 00:13:57,291 00:14:00,917 and attempting to provide material support to ISIL. and attempting to provide material support to ISIL.
281 00:14:02,208 00:14:06,542 To be clear, we have a terror-recruiting problem To be clear, we have a terror-recruiting problem
282 00:14:06,542 00:14:08,500 in Minnesota. in Minnesota.
283 00:14:09,708 00:14:14,667 My -- My goal was my son never be in a gang. My -- My goal was my son never be in a gang.
284 00:14:14,667 00:14:18,875 I have seen a lot of Somali youth get killed I have seen a lot of Somali youth get killed
285 00:14:18,875 00:14:21,959 because of gang members. because of gang members.
286 00:14:21,959 00:14:23,959 Shreiber: Zak Warsame was brought to America Shreiber: Zak Warsame was brought to America
287 00:14:23,959 00:14:25,875 as a refugee at 10 months old. as a refugee at 10 months old.
288 00:14:25,875 00:14:28,875 His family settled in Minnesota, His family settled in Minnesota,
289 00:14:28,875 00:14:30,792 where nearly one-third where nearly one-third
290 00:14:30,792 00:14:35,166 of the American Somali population resides. of the American Somali population resides.
291 00:14:35,166 00:14:37,792 Zak grew up in Minneapolis, Zak grew up in Minneapolis,
292 00:14:37,792 00:14:41,500 often referred to as Little Mogadishu. often referred to as Little Mogadishu.
293 00:14:41,500 00:14:42,542 Warsame: If you're the new-generation Somali, Warsame: If you're the new-generation Somali,
294 00:14:42,542 00:14:45,417 living in Minnesota, living in Minnesota,
295 00:14:45,417 00:14:48,291 you have all these different identities. you have all these different identities.
296 00:14:48,291 00:14:51,542 You know, you're Somali, you're Muslim, You know, you're Somali, you're Muslim,
297 00:14:51,542 00:14:52,708 and you're American, and you're American,
298 00:14:52,708 00:14:55,208 and so it's kind of confusing. and so it's kind of confusing.
299 00:14:55,208 00:14:59,500 I felt, at that time, that something was missing for me. I felt, at that time, that something was missing for me.
300 00:14:59,500 00:15:03,291 I wanted him to learn, you know, I wanted him to learn, you know,
301 00:15:03,291 00:15:05,792 his religion and practice it. his religion and practice it.
302 00:15:05,792 00:15:09,750 [ Praying in native language ] [ Praying in native language ]
303 00:15:09,750 00:15:11,875 Hussen: Because he learned the religion, Hussen: Because he learned the religion,
304 00:15:11,875 00:15:15,041 I thought that, completely, my son, I thought that, completely, my son,
305 00:15:15,041 00:15:17,208 he's in the right path. he's in the right path.
306 00:15:17,208 00:15:21,750 I never thought that he's learning extremist Islam I never thought that he's learning extremist Islam
307 00:15:21,750 00:15:26,375 or jihadist or those kind of stuff. or jihadist or those kind of stuff.
308 00:15:26,375 00:15:28,917 He was normal Zak. He was normal Zak.
309 00:15:28,917 00:15:31,834 Warsame: The mosques, they would preach in Somali. Warsame: The mosques, they would preach in Somali.
310 00:15:31,834 00:15:36,750 And I really didn't know how to speak Somali fluently. And I really didn't know how to speak Somali fluently.
311 00:15:36,750 00:15:40,166 I became more eager to learn about the religion. I became more eager to learn about the religion.
312 00:15:40,166 00:15:44,041 One important aspect of Islam is the prophets. One important aspect of Islam is the prophets.
313 00:15:44,041 00:15:46,834 I wanted to know more about their stories, I wanted to know more about their stories,
314 00:15:46,834 00:15:49,583 and so, when I searched on YouTube and so, when I searched on YouTube
315 00:15:49,583 00:15:51,834 "stories of the prophets," a video came up. "stories of the prophets," a video came up.
316 00:15:51,834 00:15:54,291 Yunus, alaihis salam, Yunus, alaihis salam,
317 00:15:54,291 00:15:55,917 was stuck in the stomach of the whale was stuck in the stomach of the whale
318 00:15:55,917 00:15:58,917 under three levels of darkness. under three levels of darkness.
319 00:15:58,917 00:16:01,166 Allah, azza wa jalla, delivered him to safety. Allah, azza wa jalla, delivered him to safety.
320 00:16:05,125 00:16:08,041 I felt like I was actually learning something, I felt like I was actually learning something,
321 00:16:08,041 00:16:11,125 because he was speaking in English because he was speaking in English
322 00:16:11,125 00:16:13,333 and I understood him, you know, more than I understood and I understood him, you know, more than I understood
323 00:16:13,333 00:16:15,792 some of the imams at the local mosques. some of the imams at the local mosques.
324 00:16:15,792 00:16:18,583 He would talk about prophecies He would talk about prophecies
325 00:16:18,583 00:16:21,625 and how the end of the world was coming and how the end of the world was coming
326 00:16:21,625 00:16:25,125 and how a group would emerge from Syria and Iraq. and how a group would emerge from Syria and Iraq.
327 00:16:25,125 00:16:29,166 The reckoning of people is near. The reckoning of people is near.
328 00:16:29,166 00:16:31,125 And so, when the civil war happened, And so, when the civil war happened,
329 00:16:31,125 00:16:34,625 I saw it as this prophecy coming true. I saw it as this prophecy coming true.
330 00:16:34,625 00:16:37,500 The more I listened, the more I had respect for him, The more I listened, the more I had respect for him,
331 00:16:37,500 00:16:42,250 the more I became wrapped in this ideology. the more I became wrapped in this ideology.
332 00:16:42,250 00:16:43,208 Everyone wants to raise their iman, Everyone wants to raise their iman,
333 00:16:43,208 00:16:45,333 everyone wants to be a good Muslim. everyone wants to be a good Muslim.
334 00:16:45,333 00:16:48,333 Miller: As you're watching these videos, you're saying, Miller: As you're watching these videos, you're saying,
335 00:16:48,333 00:16:52,000 "This guy seems to understand me as an American. "This guy seems to understand me as an American.
336 00:16:52,000 00:16:55,667 He seems to understand me as a Muslim. He seems to understand me as a Muslim.
337 00:16:55,667 00:16:59,250 He seems to want to help me become a better person." He seems to want to help me become a better person."
338 00:16:59,250 00:17:01,792 We want to be better than we are. We want to be better than we are.
339 00:17:01,792 00:17:03,917 But we fall short. But we fall short.
340 00:17:03,917 00:17:06,625 And then he makes a turn. And then he makes a turn.
341 00:17:06,625 00:17:09,667 And this turn, you know, happens all of a sudden. And this turn, you know, happens all of a sudden.
342 00:17:09,667 00:17:11,583 So now let's talk about So now let's talk about
343 00:17:11,583 00:17:14,667 what the commitment that comes with that is. what the commitment that comes with that is.
344 00:17:14,667 00:17:17,834 This needs sacrifice. This needs sacrifice.
345 00:17:17,834 00:17:21,041 It needs willingness to give for Allah's order. It needs willingness to give for Allah's order.
346 00:17:21,041 00:17:23,375 Warsame: When I wasn't at school or doing my homework Warsame: When I wasn't at school or doing my homework
347 00:17:23,375 00:17:27,041 or out with my family, I was watching those videos. or out with my family, I was watching those videos.
348 00:17:27,041 00:17:29,041 Most of the videos would talk about how, Most of the videos would talk about how,
349 00:17:29,041 00:17:30,208 if you would engage in jihad, if you would engage in jihad,
350 00:17:30,208 00:17:33,000 you would be doing not only yourself, you would be doing not only yourself,
351 00:17:33,000 00:17:34,291 but your family, a favor but your family, a favor
352 00:17:34,291 00:17:36,000 and that you'd be saving their lives and that you'd be saving their lives
353 00:17:36,000 00:17:38,208 from eternal hellfire. from eternal hellfire.
354 00:17:38,208 00:17:41,667 You were created for eternity. You were created for eternity.
355 00:17:41,667 00:17:44,667 Whether it is in Jannah or it is in hellfire, Whether it is in Jannah or it is in hellfire,
356 00:17:44,667 00:17:46,625 it is eternity. it is eternity.
357 00:17:46,625 00:17:51,458 Awlaki and others played on people's emotions. Awlaki and others played on people's emotions.
358 00:17:51,458 00:17:54,375 They used the Qur'anic verses and so forth They used the Qur'anic verses and so forth
359 00:17:54,375 00:17:58,041 to interpret it in a way that they think can recruit to interpret it in a way that they think can recruit
360 00:17:58,041 00:17:59,834 these young people to them, to their cult. these young people to them, to their cult.
361 00:17:59,834 00:18:02,208 The only war that is justified is jihad, The only war that is justified is jihad,
362 00:18:02,208 00:18:04,208 because that is for done for the sake because that is for done for the sake
363 00:18:04,208 00:18:05,750 of Allah, azza wa jalla. of Allah, azza wa jalla.
364 00:18:05,750 00:18:09,500 Awlaki has given them a simplified, bite-sized, Awlaki has given them a simplified, bite-sized,
365 00:18:09,500 00:18:11,750 dumbed-down version of the ideology, dumbed-down version of the ideology,
366 00:18:11,750 00:18:12,875 that the majority of Muslims that the majority of Muslims
367 00:18:12,875 00:18:15,458 don't see as a legitimate version of their religion. don't see as a legitimate version of their religion.
368 00:18:15,458 00:18:19,708 You're not doing Islam a favor by modifying Islam You're not doing Islam a favor by modifying Islam
369 00:18:19,708 00:18:22,333 to fit into what they want to hear. to fit into what they want to hear.
370 00:18:22,333 00:18:26,041 He knew Islam very, very well, so he had the authority, He knew Islam very, very well, so he had the authority,
371 00:18:26,041 00:18:27,417 he had a legitimacy as a preacher, he had a legitimacy as a preacher,
372 00:18:27,417 00:18:31,041 and that meant that his audience were taking his word for it. and that meant that his audience were taking his word for it.
373 00:18:31,041 00:18:34,250 All that they want is to deceive you from your religion. All that they want is to deceive you from your religion.
374 00:18:34,250 00:18:36,875 They told them, "All of you good Muslims, They told them, "All of you good Muslims,
375 00:18:36,875 00:18:39,125 you have to listen to these particular scholars, you have to listen to these particular scholars,
376 00:18:39,125 00:18:41,542 you have to learn these particular books, you have to learn these particular books,
377 00:18:41,542 00:18:43,250 and by the way, you need to also think and by the way, you need to also think
378 00:18:43,250 00:18:45,500 about the suffering of Muslims around the world." about the suffering of Muslims around the world."
379 00:18:45,500 00:18:48,166 There are Muslim brothers who are in jail. There are Muslim brothers who are in jail.
380 00:18:48,166 00:18:51,166 Every sinister method of interrogation Every sinister method of interrogation
381 00:18:51,166 00:18:52,625 is used against them. is used against them.
382 00:18:52,625 00:18:54,834 "You're an American, and you're a Muslim, "You're an American, and you're a Muslim,
383 00:18:54,834 00:18:56,125 but, primarily, you're a Muslim. but, primarily, you're a Muslim.
384 00:18:56,125 00:18:58,291 And you look around the world, And you look around the world,
385 00:18:58,291 00:18:59,917 there's this war on Islam taking place. there's this war on Islam taking place.
386 00:18:59,917 00:19:01,542 They are oppressing your brothers and sisters. They are oppressing your brothers and sisters.
387 00:19:01,542 00:19:03,333 They are killing your brothers and sisters. They are killing your brothers and sisters.
388 00:19:03,333 00:19:05,375 And you're sitting in America doing what? Nothing." And you're sitting in America doing what? Nothing."
389 00:19:05,375 00:19:07,542 Maybe Allah, azza wa jalla, Maybe Allah, azza wa jalla,
390 00:19:07,542 00:19:10,750 will unify us and end the bloodshed will unify us and end the bloodshed
391 00:19:10,750 00:19:13,417 that is happening among us, through you. that is happening among us, through you.
392 00:19:13,417 00:19:16,291 Warsame: All those lectures would talk about Warsame: All those lectures would talk about
393 00:19:16,291 00:19:18,667 how this is a time for action. how this is a time for action.
394 00:19:18,667 00:19:22,834 And so we decided we should bring about some action. And so we decided we should bring about some action.
395 00:19:23,834 00:19:26,792 Shreiber: Zak was arrested along with several others, Shreiber: Zak was arrested along with several others,
396 00:19:26,792 00:19:27,792 charged with conspiracy charged with conspiracy
397 00:19:27,792 00:19:31,458 to provide material support for terrorism. to provide material support for terrorism.
398 00:19:31,458 00:19:34,417 Hussen: It's not only this group. Hussen: It's not only this group.
399 00:19:34,417 00:19:35,417 A lot of people, A lot of people,
400 00:19:35,417 00:19:38,375 all over the world, are watching this guy. all over the world, are watching this guy.
401 00:19:45,000 00:19:47,708 [ Praying in Arabic ] [ Praying in Arabic ]
402 00:19:50,417 00:19:52,458 Magid: I'm the imam of ADAMS Center, Magid: I'm the imam of ADAMS Center,
403 00:19:52,458 00:19:53,750 which is a mosque in Virginia. which is a mosque in Virginia.
404 00:19:53,750 00:19:56,041 Very diverse. Very diverse.
405 00:19:56,041 00:19:57,750 Girls: "On my honor, I will try..." Girls: "On my honor, I will try..."
406 00:19:57,750 00:19:58,542 Magid: I'm an imam wearing many hats. Magid: I'm an imam wearing many hats.
407 00:19:58,542 00:20:00,959 Aah! Aah!
408 00:20:00,959 00:20:02,583 The same guy, with the same hat, The same guy, with the same hat,
409 00:20:02,583 00:20:06,542 go to the hospital and deal with a person who's dying. go to the hospital and deal with a person who's dying.
410 00:20:06,542 00:20:08,917 And then, in the evening, I officiate a marriage. And then, in the evening, I officiate a marriage.
411 00:20:08,917 00:20:10,375 Your brother-in-law? Your brother-in-law?
412 00:20:10,375 00:20:13,542 Imam role in America -- very complicated. Imam role in America -- very complicated.
413 00:20:14,625 00:20:18,458 Shreiber: Of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, Shreiber: Of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world,
414 00:20:18,458 00:20:21,834 3.3 million live in America. 3.3 million live in America.
415 00:20:21,834 00:20:25,458 Of those, less than 300 have attempted to join ISIS. Of those, less than 300 have attempted to join ISIS.
416 00:20:28,166 00:20:30,458 As an imam, I have to answer for all of that. As an imam, I have to answer for all of that.
417 00:20:30,458 00:20:35,125 I have to answer for 1.5 billion people every day, I have to answer for 1.5 billion people every day,
418 00:20:35,125 00:20:36,792 what they do, what they do,
419 00:20:36,792 00:20:40,708 as if I'm the spokesman of all of them. as if I'm the spokesman of all of them.
420 00:20:40,708 00:20:43,208 I counsel 25 families I counsel 25 families
421 00:20:43,208 00:20:45,750 who their children have joined Daesh. who their children have joined Daesh.
422 00:20:50,792 00:20:52,417 Two of them have been killed already now. Two of them have been killed already now.
423 00:20:52,417 00:20:56,417 We did workshop here for the parents -- We did workshop here for the parents --
424 00:20:56,417 00:21:02,375 how to protect your children online. how to protect your children online.
425 00:21:02,375 00:21:05,750 Daesh -- they have 24-hours connection with young people Daesh -- they have 24-hours connection with young people
426 00:21:05,750 00:21:08,250 because they are with him in his bedroom. because they are with him in his bedroom.
427 00:21:08,250 00:21:09,583 I am not. I am not.
428 00:21:09,583 00:21:13,291 No person just decides, "I'm going to wake up tomorrow, No person just decides, "I'm going to wake up tomorrow,
429 00:21:13,291 00:21:14,917 and I'm going to think about killing people." and I'm going to think about killing people."
430 00:21:14,917 00:21:17,583 We know that the average time, right now, We know that the average time, right now,
431 00:21:17,583 00:21:21,542 seems to be about 10 months for them to be indoctrinated. seems to be about 10 months for them to be indoctrinated.
432 00:21:21,542 00:21:24,917 People who are trying to pull young people People who are trying to pull young people
433 00:21:24,917 00:21:26,208 in towards extremist groups, in towards extremist groups,
434 00:21:26,208 00:21:29,500 they spend a lot of time online building new relationships. they spend a lot of time online building new relationships.
435 00:21:30,542 00:21:33,959 In Europe, you have face-to-face recruitment. In Europe, you have face-to-face recruitment.
436 00:21:33,959 00:21:35,792 In the United States, the situation In the United States, the situation
437 00:21:35,792 00:21:37,375 is a little bit different. is a little bit different.
438 00:21:37,375 00:21:40,250 The threat has mostly been through the Internet, The threat has mostly been through the Internet,
439 00:21:40,250 00:21:42,000 through social media. through social media.
440 00:21:42,000 00:21:43,625 [ Gunshot ] [ Gunshot ]
441 00:21:43,625 00:21:45,834 They have the understanding of how to use Twitter, They have the understanding of how to use Twitter,
442 00:21:45,834 00:21:48,125 how to use Telegram, how to use Facebook, how to use Telegram, how to use Facebook,
443 00:21:48,125 00:21:52,083 and in many ways, they're able to recruit that way even easier. and in many ways, they're able to recruit that way even easier.
444 00:21:54,083 00:21:56,375 Brothers and sisters, we are on the verge Brothers and sisters, we are on the verge
445 00:21:56,375 00:21:58,583 of an Islamic revival. of an Islamic revival.
446 00:21:58,583 00:22:01,208 There are more and more Muslims There are more and more Muslims
447 00:22:01,208 00:22:04,041 who are coming to the conclusion who are coming to the conclusion
448 00:22:04,041 00:22:07,000 that jihad must be part of our program of revival that jihad must be part of our program of revival
449 00:22:07,000 00:22:08,750 and change in the Muslim world. and change in the Muslim world.
450 00:22:08,750 00:22:11,458 Soufan: Al-Awlaki's ability to speak English, Soufan: Al-Awlaki's ability to speak English,
451 00:22:11,458 00:22:14,667 to communicate to Western audience in a way to communicate to Western audience in a way
452 00:22:14,667 00:22:18,667 that no one else from the extremist movement can, that no one else from the extremist movement can,
453 00:22:18,667 00:22:22,000 made him a popular figure for al-Qaeda made him a popular figure for al-Qaeda
454 00:22:22,000 00:22:24,834 and now even ISIS. and now even ISIS.
455 00:22:24,834 00:22:28,000 But al-Awlaki himself, what made him an extremist? But al-Awlaki himself, what made him an extremist?
456 00:22:29,500 00:22:33,166 Shreiber: Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971. Shreiber: Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971.
457 00:22:34,875 00:22:37,542 When he was 7, he moved to Yemen with his family. When he was 7, he moved to Yemen with his family.
458 00:22:37,542 00:22:40,083 [ Man praying in Arabic ] [ Man praying in Arabic ]
459 00:22:40,083 00:22:43,000 The son of a prominent Yemeni government official, The son of a prominent Yemeni government official,
460 00:22:43,000 00:22:45,750 he grew up in a conservative Muslim society. he grew up in a conservative Muslim society.
461 00:22:48,667 00:22:51,000 He returned to the U.S. to attend Colorado State University He returned to the U.S. to attend Colorado State University
462 00:22:51,000 00:22:53,542 in Fort Collins, in Fort Collins,
463 00:22:53,542 00:22:56,375 where he served as imam at the local mosque. where he served as imam at the local mosque.
464 00:22:57,959 00:23:00,542 Around this time, he began a series of trips Around this time, he began a series of trips
465 00:23:00,542 00:23:03,542 to London to attend Islamic conferences. to London to attend Islamic conferences.
466 00:23:03,542 00:23:06,583 It was in London where Awlaki was exposed It was in London where Awlaki was exposed
467 00:23:06,583 00:23:09,458 to the ultraconservative strain of Islam to the ultraconservative strain of Islam
468 00:23:09,458 00:23:12,375 known as Salafi jihadism. known as Salafi jihadism.
469 00:23:12,375 00:23:14,792 Hitchens: Salafi jihadism is a fusion Hitchens: Salafi jihadism is a fusion
470 00:23:14,792 00:23:17,708 between fundamentalist interpretation of Islam between fundamentalist interpretation of Islam
471 00:23:17,708 00:23:20,625 and politicized Islamism. and politicized Islamism.
472 00:23:20,625 00:23:22,875 Essentially, this says, "It is not only a desire Essentially, this says, "It is not only a desire
473 00:23:22,875 00:23:26,458 for us to change the planet and create an Islamic state, for us to change the planet and create an Islamic state,
474 00:23:26,458 00:23:28,291 which will eventually encompass the globe, which will eventually encompass the globe,
475 00:23:28,291 00:23:30,375 it's a duty upon all Muslims it's a duty upon all Muslims
476 00:23:30,375 00:23:32,333 to fight in order to achieve this." to fight in order to achieve this."
477 00:23:39,834 00:23:43,208 These were guys who did not begin with the intention These were guys who did not begin with the intention
478 00:23:43,208 00:23:45,250 of creating a terrorist movement in the West. of creating a terrorist movement in the West.
479 00:23:45,250 00:23:48,667 Salafi jihadism came to the West Salafi jihadism came to the West
480 00:23:48,667 00:23:51,917 after the ousting of the Soviets from Afghanistan. after the ousting of the Soviets from Afghanistan.
481 00:23:51,917 00:23:54,333 A number of those people who fought in that jihad A number of those people who fought in that jihad
482 00:23:54,333 00:23:55,708 dispersed around the globe. dispersed around the globe.
483 00:23:55,708 00:23:57,041 Some of them went back Some of them went back
484 00:23:57,041 00:23:58,583 to their home countries in the Middle East to their home countries in the Middle East
485 00:23:58,583 00:23:59,417 and then were kicked out of these countries and then were kicked out of these countries
486 00:23:59,417 00:24:01,917 by secular dictatorships as exiles, by secular dictatorships as exiles,
487 00:24:01,917 00:24:03,750 and many of them went to Europe. and many of them went to Europe.
488 00:24:03,750 00:24:06,041 Many of them actually went to London. Many of them actually went to London.
489 00:24:06,041 00:24:08,041 Salafi preacher: My dear Muslims, when you speak Salafi preacher: My dear Muslims, when you speak
490 00:24:08,041 00:24:10,000 to the Muslims today, and say to them, to the Muslims today, and say to them,
491 00:24:10,000 00:24:12,834 "We need to establish the domination of Islam." "We need to establish the domination of Islam."
492 00:24:12,834 00:24:15,375 It essentially created a milieu of Salafis It essentially created a milieu of Salafis
493 00:24:15,375 00:24:16,792 and Salafi jihadis who were working together, and Salafi jihadis who were working together,
494 00:24:16,792 00:24:20,125 helping spread this interpretation of the religion. helping spread this interpretation of the religion.
495 00:24:20,125 00:24:23,083 Imam Anwar al-Awlaki. Imam Anwar al-Awlaki.
496 00:24:23,083 00:24:24,291 [ Applause ] [ Applause ]
497 00:24:24,291 00:24:28,083 Hitchens: Awlaki was certainly a member of that milieu, Hitchens: Awlaki was certainly a member of that milieu,
498 00:24:28,083 00:24:30,166 and he was among those who helped take it and he was among those who helped take it
499 00:24:30,166 00:24:31,291 over to the United States. over to the United States.
500 00:24:31,291 00:24:33,125 There are millions of Muslims There are millions of Muslims
501 00:24:33,125 00:24:36,500 who lack the basic understanding of the foundations of Islam. who lack the basic understanding of the foundations of Islam.
502 00:24:36,500 00:24:39,041 Guys like Awlaki were able to take Salafi jihadism, Guys like Awlaki were able to take Salafi jihadism,
503 00:24:39,041 00:24:41,000 take its key tenets, and westernize them. take its key tenets, and westernize them.
504 00:24:41,000 00:24:43,458 So, for example, So, for example,
505 00:24:43,458 00:24:46,458 one of the key teachings in Salafi jihadism one of the key teachings in Salafi jihadism
506 00:24:46,458 00:24:48,834 is that there is a war on Islam taking place. is that there is a war on Islam taking place.
507 00:24:48,834 00:24:50,667 The Palestinian issue should be something The Palestinian issue should be something
508 00:24:50,667 00:24:52,959 that we are concerned about day and night... that we are concerned about day and night...
509 00:24:52,959 00:24:56,834 For an American Muslim, on the face of it, that's a hard sell. For an American Muslim, on the face of it, that's a hard sell.
510 00:24:56,834 00:24:59,542 ...and let them know that the American Muslims are with you. ...and let them know that the American Muslims are with you.
511 00:24:59,542 00:25:01,041 Awlaki had to figure out a way Awlaki had to figure out a way
512 00:25:01,041 00:25:03,250 to sell this war on Islam to his followers. to sell this war on Islam to his followers.
513 00:25:03,250 00:25:05,500 And we're seeing them bleeding to death. And we're seeing them bleeding to death.
514 00:25:05,500 00:25:07,083 What are we doing for them? What are we doing for them?
515 00:25:07,083 00:25:10,500 He was very good at connecting with an audience. He was very good at connecting with an audience.
516 00:25:10,500 00:25:12,458 He had, you know, storytelling skills He had, you know, storytelling skills
517 00:25:12,458 00:25:15,083 and kind of an emotional depth and kind of an emotional depth
518 00:25:15,083 00:25:18,250 to what he said that really distinguished himself. to what he said that really distinguished himself.
519 00:25:18,250 00:25:23,834 The key to the solution is right here, The key to the solution is right here,
520 00:25:23,834 00:25:25,750 in our hearts. in our hearts.
521 00:25:25,750 00:25:28,500 Shreiber: Awlaki's reputation for preaching Shreiber: Awlaki's reputation for preaching
522 00:25:28,500 00:25:31,041 earned him an invitation to be the head imam earned him an invitation to be the head imam
523 00:25:31,041 00:25:34,166 at the Al-Ribat Al-Islami mosque in San Diego. at the Al-Ribat Al-Islami mosque in San Diego.
524 00:25:35,500 00:25:38,500 As human beings, we're limited by our frames of reference. As human beings, we're limited by our frames of reference.
525 00:25:38,500 00:25:41,500 Berger: On the one hand, he was known Berger: On the one hand, he was known
526 00:25:41,500 00:25:44,250 as being kind of a firebrand of a preacher. as being kind of a firebrand of a preacher.
527 00:25:44,250 00:25:46,500 At the same time, At the same time,
528 00:25:46,500 00:25:47,959 he's got this other secret life, he's got this other secret life,
529 00:25:47,959 00:25:49,583 where he's visiting underage prostitutes where he's visiting underage prostitutes
530 00:25:49,583 00:25:52,458 and engaged in, like, a lot of behavior and engaged in, like, a lot of behavior
531 00:25:52,458 00:25:54,250 that none of his other audiences that none of his other audiences
532 00:25:54,250 00:25:56,792 would have appreciated. would have appreciated.
533 00:26:10,166 00:26:14,083 Soufan: Guys like Awlaki, they talk about being pious, Soufan: Guys like Awlaki, they talk about being pious,
534 00:26:14,083 00:26:16,667 but, actually, in reality, they are not. but, actually, in reality, they are not.
535 00:26:16,667 00:26:17,667 They are narcissists, They are narcissists,
536 00:26:17,667 00:26:21,500 and they only care about themselves. and they only care about themselves.
537 00:26:21,500 00:26:25,000 He did not lead the life that he was preaching. He did not lead the life that he was preaching.
538 00:26:25,000 00:26:27,250 And he was arrested a few times And he was arrested a few times
539 00:26:27,250 00:26:29,208 because of prostitution. because of prostitution.
540 00:26:30,375 00:26:35,250 But Awlaki managed to keep his arrest record under wraps. But Awlaki managed to keep his arrest record under wraps.
541 00:26:35,250 00:26:39,792 His growing popularity landed him the coveted position of imam His growing popularity landed him the coveted position of imam
542 00:26:39,792 00:26:41,834 at the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia. at the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia.
543 00:26:43,750 00:26:45,917 We always hear that there is hatred We always hear that there is hatred
544 00:26:45,917 00:26:47,250 against the United States. against the United States.
545 00:26:47,250 00:26:48,917 That's not true. That's not true.
546 00:26:48,917 00:26:51,959 There is anger and resentment, but not hatred. There is anger and resentment, but not hatred.
547 00:26:51,959 00:26:54,041 Schmidt: He knew his power over an audience, Schmidt: He knew his power over an audience,
548 00:26:54,333 00:26:56,417 and that's one of the reasons Dar Al-Hijrah and that's one of the reasons Dar Al-Hijrah
549 00:26:56,417 00:26:59,083 hired him in the first place. hired him in the first place.
550 00:26:59,083 00:27:01,250 They wanted somebody who could bring in They wanted somebody who could bring in
551 00:27:01,250 00:27:03,208 younger Muslims to their mosque. younger Muslims to their mosque.
552 00:27:05,291 00:27:08,291 He had gained some prominence in the local media He had gained some prominence in the local media
553 00:27:08,291 00:27:10,834 as being sort of this articulate voice as being sort of this articulate voice
554 00:27:10,834 00:27:15,542 for good relations with the community. for good relations with the community.
555 00:27:15,542 00:27:16,959 The Muslim world does not understand the U.S., The Muslim world does not understand the U.S.,
556 00:27:16,959 00:27:20,792 and the U.S. does not understand the Muslim world. and the U.S. does not understand the Muslim world.
557 00:27:21,333 00:27:22,458 I first met Anwar al-Awlaki I first met Anwar al-Awlaki
558 00:27:22,458 00:27:26,625 when he was appointed the imam of Dar Al-Hijrah. when he was appointed the imam of Dar Al-Hijrah.
559 00:27:26,625 00:27:28,667 What is the role American Muslims have played? What is the role American Muslims have played?
560 00:27:28,667 00:27:31,667 There was nothing particularly odd There was nothing particularly odd
561 00:27:31,667 00:27:33,041 about his sermons that, you know, about his sermons that, you know,
562 00:27:33,041 00:27:34,875 would have raised a red flag. would have raised a red flag.
563 00:27:34,875 00:27:37,750 As a matter of fact, he was promoting harmonious relations As a matter of fact, he was promoting harmonious relations
564 00:27:37,750 00:27:39,583 between Muslims and non-Muslims. between Muslims and non-Muslims.
565 00:27:39,583 00:27:43,041 The American Muslim population are the bridge The American Muslim population are the bridge
566 00:27:43,041 00:27:45,875 between America and the Muslim world. between America and the Muslim world.
567 00:27:45,875 00:27:48,083 Royer: But always there was that undercurrent Royer: But always there was that undercurrent
568 00:27:48,083 00:27:49,792 of "us versus them," of "us versus them,"
569 00:27:49,792 00:27:52,667 you know, sort of attitude, that was there. you know, sort of attitude, that was there.
570 00:27:55,166 00:27:56,917 Jennings: What you're looking at is the current scene Jennings: What you're looking at is the current scene
571 00:27:56,917 00:28:01,291 at this moment at the World Trade Center. at this moment at the World Trade Center.
572 00:28:01,291 00:28:03,000 ABC's John Miller is with us -- ABC's John Miller is with us --
573 00:28:03,000 00:28:06,208 John, who's one of our leading reporters on crime. John, who's one of our leading reporters on crime.
574 00:28:07,500 00:28:10,834 Miller: Usually, during these things, there's a basic calm Miller: Usually, during these things, there's a basic calm
575 00:28:10,834 00:28:15,000 over the police radios among emergency workers. over the police radios among emergency workers.
576 00:28:15,000 00:28:17,333 Um, I can hear them screaming. Um, I can hear them screaming.
577 00:28:19,834 00:28:21,750 Miller: Everybody who lived through 9/11 Miller: Everybody who lived through 9/11
578 00:28:21,750 00:28:28,291 remembers how that froze our world, remembers how that froze our world,
579 00:28:28,291 00:28:32,125 made us question our ability to be safe at home, made us question our ability to be safe at home,
580 00:28:32,125 00:28:34,417 of our government's ability to protect us. of our government's ability to protect us.
581 00:28:34,417 00:28:37,417 [ Radio chatter ] [ Radio chatter ]
582 00:28:37,417 00:28:39,959 After September 11th, After September 11th,
583 00:28:39,959 00:28:42,708 all of the feelings of the American Muslims all of the feelings of the American Muslims
584 00:28:42,708 00:28:46,208 were feelings of sympathy for the victims were feelings of sympathy for the victims
585 00:28:46,208 00:28:49,250 and a sense of that, and a sense of that,
586 00:28:49,250 00:28:52,291 "Whoever did this needs to be brought to justice." "Whoever did this needs to be brought to justice."
587 00:28:53,375 00:28:56,208 Shreiber: When the Joint Congressional Committee Shreiber: When the Joint Congressional Committee
588 00:28:56,208 00:28:57,959 began investigating 9/11, began investigating 9/11,
589 00:28:57,959 00:29:00,583 they discovered that Awlaki had connections they discovered that Awlaki had connections
590 00:29:00,583 00:29:02,667 to three of the hijackers. to three of the hijackers.
591 00:29:04,625 00:29:06,375 Awlaki, by coincidence, Awlaki, by coincidence,
592 00:29:06,375 00:29:08,041 happened to be in the same mosque happened to be in the same mosque
593 00:29:08,041 00:29:09,083 attended by some of the hijackers. attended by some of the hijackers.
594 00:29:09,083 00:29:12,583 And by coincidence, he moved to the East Coast And by coincidence, he moved to the East Coast
595 00:29:12,583 00:29:14,792 and happened to be in the same mosque and happened to be in the same mosque
596 00:29:14,792 00:29:18,166 that is also attended by some of the hijackers. that is also attended by some of the hijackers.
597 00:29:20,750 00:29:23,792 Berger: When you look at the timeline, Berger: When you look at the timeline,
598 00:29:23,792 00:29:25,041 how these guys traveled, how they interacted, how these guys traveled, how they interacted,
599 00:29:25,041 00:29:27,417 how they met with him behind closed doors, how they met with him behind closed doors,
600 00:29:27,417 00:29:29,625 and the help he gave them in each location, and the help he gave them in each location,
601 00:29:29,625 00:29:33,208 there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire. there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire.
602 00:29:34,083 00:29:36,542 Schmidt: A number of us in the press Schmidt: A number of us in the press
603 00:29:36,542 00:29:39,583 became very interested in Awlaki in 2002, became very interested in Awlaki in 2002,
604 00:29:39,583 00:29:42,917 because the Congressional inquiry spotlighted Awlaki. because the Congressional inquiry spotlighted Awlaki.
605 00:29:43,959 00:29:46,708 There were portions of that report, There were portions of that report,
606 00:29:46,708 00:29:48,083 28 pages, 28 pages,
607 00:29:48,083 00:29:50,000 which were redacted in their entirety. which were redacted in their entirety.
608 00:29:52,750 00:29:57,125 As a reporter, that made this ever more intriguing. As a reporter, that made this ever more intriguing.
609 00:29:59,250 00:30:01,959 Come to find out that this was the time period Come to find out that this was the time period
610 00:30:01,959 00:30:06,000 where he was soliciting prostitutes in Washington. where he was soliciting prostitutes in Washington.
611 00:30:06,000 00:30:08,583 He found out the FBI knew about it, He found out the FBI knew about it,
612 00:30:08,583 00:30:11,959 and he may have been concerned that was going to come out. and he may have been concerned that was going to come out.
613 00:30:13,583 00:30:14,792 He realizes that he's not going to be able He realizes that he's not going to be able
614 00:30:14,792 00:30:17,542 to live in the United States anymore to live in the United States anymore
615 00:30:17,542 00:30:20,834 because of the scrutiny he's under from the FBI. because of the scrutiny he's under from the FBI.
616 00:30:20,834 00:30:21,959 He goes to London. He goes to London.
617 00:30:21,959 00:30:24,959 They are plotting to kill this religion. They are plotting to kill this religion.
618 00:30:24,959 00:30:27,542 He becomes progressively more radical, He becomes progressively more radical,
619 00:30:27,542 00:30:30,250 and it starts to become a hostile environment and it starts to become a hostile environment
620 00:30:30,250 00:30:31,792 for him there, too. for him there, too.
621 00:30:31,792 00:30:34,708 So he returned to Yemen. So he returned to Yemen.
622 00:30:34,708 00:30:39,250 I'm speaking to you from Yemen at the moment. I'm speaking to you from Yemen at the moment.
623 00:30:39,250 00:30:40,166 In Yemen, that's when we see In Yemen, that's when we see
624 00:30:40,166 00:30:41,834 that he really becomes openly radical that he really becomes openly radical
625 00:30:41,834 00:30:44,542 in the things he's talking about. in the things he's talking about.
626 00:30:44,542 00:30:46,041 So, I want to talk to you about something that people So, I want to talk to you about something that people
627 00:30:46,041 00:30:50,291 don't like to talk about, and this is jihad. don't like to talk about, and this is jihad.
628 00:30:51,625 00:30:53,125 Shreiber: At the time, Awlaki's threats of jihad Shreiber: At the time, Awlaki's threats of jihad
629 00:30:53,125 00:30:56,834 from Yemen paled by comparison to the threat from Yemen paled by comparison to the threat
630 00:30:56,834 00:31:00,166 posed by bin Laden, who was still at large. posed by bin Laden, who was still at large.
631 00:31:00,166 00:31:01,834 [ Machine-gun fire ] [ Machine-gun fire ]
632 00:31:01,834 00:31:04,333 After a show of military force in Afghanistan, After a show of military force in Afghanistan,
633 00:31:04,333 00:31:06,291 the U.S. quickly declared victory the U.S. quickly declared victory
634 00:31:06,291 00:31:08,375 over the Taliban and al-Qaeda. over the Taliban and al-Qaeda.
635 00:31:11,917 00:31:14,417 And FBI special agent Ali Soufan And FBI special agent Ali Soufan
636 00:31:14,417 00:31:18,500 was tracking bin Laden's operatives. was tracking bin Laden's operatives.
637 00:31:18,500 00:31:21,375 Soufan: Al-Qaeda, after the loss in Afghanistan, Soufan: Al-Qaeda, after the loss in Afghanistan,
638 00:31:21,375 00:31:23,750 after bin Laden is in hiding, after bin Laden is in hiding,
639 00:31:23,750 00:31:25,875 they shifted from being chief operators they shifted from being chief operators
640 00:31:25,875 00:31:29,166 to being chief motivators. to being chief motivators.
641 00:31:29,166 00:31:31,250 And with that shift, And with that shift,
642 00:31:31,250 00:31:35,667 the threat from al-Qaeda became the ideology -- the threat from al-Qaeda became the ideology --
643 00:31:35,667 00:31:39,000 the narrative of the organization. the narrative of the organization.
644 00:31:41,542 00:31:44,083 Shreiber: That narrative found new roots in Iraq Shreiber: That narrative found new roots in Iraq
645 00:31:44,083 00:31:46,542 when the United States turned its attention when the United States turned its attention
646 00:31:46,542 00:31:49,875 to toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein. to toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein.
647 00:31:49,875 00:31:51,625 In the minds of many, In the minds of many,
648 00:31:51,625 00:31:54,542 this Western invasion of yet another Muslim country this Western invasion of yet another Muslim country
649 00:31:54,542 00:31:57,625 was a call to arms. was a call to arms.
650 00:31:57,625 00:31:58,875 Thousands of foreign fighters Thousands of foreign fighters
651 00:31:58,875 00:32:04,917 flooded to Iraq in defense of Islam. flooded to Iraq in defense of Islam.
652 00:32:04,917 00:32:07,125 In the years following 9/11, In the years following 9/11,
653 00:32:07,125 00:32:09,625 the gaping hole in Lower Manhattan the gaping hole in Lower Manhattan
654 00:32:09,625 00:32:13,083 was a constant reminder of the threat of terrorism. was a constant reminder of the threat of terrorism.
655 00:32:13,083 00:32:17,291 In 1995, the Oklahoma City federal bombing attack In 1995, the Oklahoma City federal bombing attack
656 00:32:17,291 00:32:18,917 killed 168 people. killed 168 people.
657 00:32:18,917 00:32:20,625 It was right-wing extremists who did it. It was right-wing extremists who did it.
658 00:32:20,625 00:32:22,125 And if you do the thought experiment And if you do the thought experiment
659 00:32:22,125 00:32:23,708 when 9/11 didn't happen, when 9/11 didn't happen,
660 00:32:23,708 00:32:25,125 we would be probably very concerned we would be probably very concerned
661 00:32:25,125 00:32:26,708 about right-wing extremism. about right-wing extremism.
662 00:32:26,708 00:32:29,583 But 9/11 did happen, and that's why we continue But 9/11 did happen, and that's why we continue
663 00:32:29,583 00:32:31,917 to be very preoccupied by this subject. to be very preoccupied by this subject.
664 00:32:33,208 00:32:34,750 Shreiber: Since 9/11, Shreiber: Since 9/11,
665 00:32:34,750 00:32:36,250 there have been twice as many right-wing attacks there have been twice as many right-wing attacks
666 00:32:36,250 00:32:40,792 versus jihadist attacks in the United States. versus jihadist attacks in the United States.
667 00:32:40,792 00:32:43,708 Look at Dylann Roof, for example. Look at Dylann Roof, for example.
668 00:32:43,708 00:32:46,375 If Dylann Roof's name was Muhammad, then, definitely, If Dylann Roof's name was Muhammad, then, definitely,
669 00:32:46,375 00:32:47,458 it will be a terrorist attack. it will be a terrorist attack.
670 00:32:47,458 00:32:51,792 But, in this case, it was considered a hate crime. But, in this case, it was considered a hate crime.
671 00:32:51,792 00:32:55,625 When you have something from outside, When you have something from outside,
672 00:32:55,625 00:32:58,417 something that's connected to wars something that's connected to wars
673 00:32:58,417 00:33:00,166 in different regions, in different regions,
674 00:33:00,166 00:33:03,333 something that you really don't understand, something that you really don't understand,
675 00:33:03,333 00:33:06,166 I think people will be more scared. I think people will be more scared.
676 00:33:06,166 00:33:07,125 It's an overreaction, It's an overreaction,
677 00:33:07,125 00:33:10,250 but it's the intended overreaction. but it's the intended overreaction.
678 00:33:10,250 00:33:14,834 The drama in terrorism is meant to create fear, The drama in terrorism is meant to create fear,
679 00:33:14,834 00:33:17,500 and the ending, of course, is the carnage. and the ending, of course, is the carnage.
680 00:33:17,500 00:33:20,250 [ Explosion ] [ Explosion ]
681 00:33:20,250 00:33:23,083 Shreiber: Post-9/11, Shreiber: Post-9/11,
682 00:33:23,083 00:33:25,959 al-Qaeda set its sights outside of the U.S... al-Qaeda set its sights outside of the U.S...
683 00:33:25,959 00:33:27,542 [ People screaming ] [ People screaming ]
684 00:33:27,542 00:33:30,417 ...Madrid... ...Madrid...
685 00:33:30,417 00:33:31,667 Bali... Bali...
686 00:33:31,667 00:33:34,458 Istanbul... Istanbul...
687 00:33:34,458 00:33:36,708 Mumbai... Mumbai...
688 00:33:36,708 00:33:38,750 London. London.
689 00:33:41,083 00:33:45,041 Schmidt: By the time of the trials in London, Schmidt: By the time of the trials in London,
690 00:33:45,041 00:33:48,291 when it emerged that Awlaki's lectures when it emerged that Awlaki's lectures
691 00:33:48,291 00:33:51,583 were on people's hard drives, were on people's hard drives,
692 00:33:51,583 00:33:54,333 that's the point where we decided, that's the point where we decided,
693 00:33:54,333 00:33:55,291 at The Washington Post, at The Washington Post,
694 00:33:55,291 00:33:58,959 we got to dig in a little bit more on this. we got to dig in a little bit more on this.
695 00:34:01,208 00:34:04,417 Shreiber: When Sue Schmidt began digging back into the story, Shreiber: When Sue Schmidt began digging back into the story,
696 00:34:04,417 00:34:06,208 she discovered Awlaki's connections she discovered Awlaki's connections
697 00:34:06,208 00:34:08,583 to known terrorists prior to 9/11 to known terrorists prior to 9/11
698 00:34:08,583 00:34:12,250 that the FBI had looked into, but dropped. that the FBI had looked into, but dropped.
699 00:34:12,250 00:34:14,542 Schmidt: I gathered string here and there. Schmidt: I gathered string here and there.
700 00:34:14,542 00:34:16,250 There were stories about There were stories about
701 00:34:16,250 00:34:18,875 when Awlaki was living in San Diego, when Awlaki was living in San Diego,
702 00:34:18,875 00:34:21,208 he was visited by a procurement agent he was visited by a procurement agent
703 00:34:21,208 00:34:21,875 for bin Laden. for bin Laden.
704 00:34:21,875 00:34:24,542 [ Indistinct shouting ] [ Indistinct shouting ]
705 00:34:24,542 00:34:27,041 He was also visited by an associate He was also visited by an associate
706 00:34:27,041 00:34:28,959 of the blind Sheik Rahman, of the blind Sheik Rahman,
707 00:34:28,959 00:34:31,291 who was by then already in prison. who was by then already in prison.
708 00:34:33,375 00:34:36,333 So, the FBI opened these investigations. So, the FBI opened these investigations.
709 00:34:36,333 00:34:38,208 Each went on for a couple of months. Each went on for a couple of months.
710 00:34:38,208 00:34:41,583 They did not go anywhere, so they closed both of them. They did not go anywhere, so they closed both of them.
711 00:34:42,959 00:34:46,625 Ironically, the second one, they closed a month or so Ironically, the second one, they closed a month or so
712 00:34:46,625 00:34:49,834 after the hijackers had arrived in San Diego. after the hijackers had arrived in San Diego.
713 00:34:52,000 00:34:57,417 In 2006, Awlaki was picked up by the Yemeni authorities. In 2006, Awlaki was picked up by the Yemeni authorities.
714 00:34:57,417 00:35:00,875 It's a little murky why he was in jail. It's a little murky why he was in jail.
715 00:35:00,875 00:35:03,041 There were reports that he was arrested There were reports that he was arrested
716 00:35:03,041 00:35:06,875 for kidnapping issues. for kidnapping issues.
717 00:35:06,875 00:35:08,125 The FBI was very interested The FBI was very interested
718 00:35:08,125 00:35:12,917 in making a case against al-Awlaki, in making a case against al-Awlaki,
719 00:35:12,917 00:35:16,834 but the Yemeni government let him out of jail but the Yemeni government let him out of jail
720 00:35:16,834 00:35:20,458 somewhat unexpectedly at the end of 2007. somewhat unexpectedly at the end of 2007.
721 00:35:20,458 00:35:24,083 Men: Allahu akbar wa lillahil-hamd! Men: Allahu akbar wa lillahil-hamd!
722 00:35:24,083 00:35:25,750 Shreiber: On condition of anonymity, Shreiber: On condition of anonymity,
723 00:35:25,750 00:35:28,417 a CIA operative finally gave Schmidt, a CIA operative finally gave Schmidt,
724 00:35:28,417 00:35:31,583 on the record, the confirmation she was looking for. on the record, the confirmation she was looking for.
725 00:35:32,834 00:35:35,792 Schmidt: U.S. intelligence officials Schmidt: U.S. intelligence officials
726 00:35:35,792 00:35:38,125 were saying that they believed were saying that they believed
727 00:35:38,125 00:35:41,959 he was an operational, active al-Qaeda terrorist. he was an operational, active al-Qaeda terrorist.
728 00:35:44,417 00:35:48,000 Soufan: I think, when he became involved with al-Qaeda Soufan: I think, when he became involved with al-Qaeda
729 00:35:48,000 00:35:50,250 in the Arabian Peninsula, in the Arabian Peninsula,
730 00:35:50,250 00:35:53,458 also known as AQAP, also known as AQAP,
731 00:35:53,458 00:35:56,959 he found a channel for his narcissism. he found a channel for his narcissism.
732 00:35:59,166 00:36:03,417 And that was being the English spokesperson And that was being the English spokesperson
733 00:36:03,417 00:36:05,917 for the narrative of al-Qaeda. for the narrative of al-Qaeda.
734 00:36:07,625 00:36:12,041 Jihad will continue until the day of Judgment. Jihad will continue until the day of Judgment.
735 00:36:12,041 00:36:15,500 It is youth who always, in history, It is youth who always, in history,
736 00:36:15,500 00:36:17,542 bear the burden of change. bear the burden of change.
737 00:36:17,542 00:36:21,500 If you have come out for jihad in my cause, If you have come out for jihad in my cause,
738 00:36:21,500 00:36:24,500 the ones who will sacrifice their lives the ones who will sacrifice their lives
739 00:36:24,500 00:36:27,792 and their wealth, their time and their belongings and their wealth, their time and their belongings
740 00:36:27,792 00:36:29,041 for Allah, azza wa jalla, for Allah, azza wa jalla,
741 00:36:29,041 00:36:31,291 will be given a lot of rewards will be given a lot of rewards
742 00:36:31,291 00:36:33,208 from Allah, azza wa jalla. from Allah, azza wa jalla.
743 00:36:34,500 00:36:37,750 [ Men speaking Arabic ] [ Men speaking Arabic ]
744 00:36:37,750 00:36:39,959 I was never a supporter of al-Qaeda. I was never a supporter of al-Qaeda.
745 00:36:39,959 00:36:42,667 I found al-Qaeda's views I found al-Qaeda's views
746 00:36:42,667 00:36:46,708 to be repugnant to the religion of Islam. to be repugnant to the religion of Islam.
747 00:36:46,708 00:36:48,834 I always deemed them to be a fringe group I always deemed them to be a fringe group
748 00:36:48,834 00:36:51,041 that had nothing to do that had nothing to do
749 00:36:51,041 00:36:54,208 with the actual jihad movement with the actual jihad movement
750 00:36:54,208 00:36:56,458 that I was familiar with, from Bosnia. that I was familiar with, from Bosnia.
751 00:36:56,458 00:37:01,375 Nevertheless, I was still an enthusiast of the mujahideen Nevertheless, I was still an enthusiast of the mujahideen
752 00:37:01,375 00:37:04,291 that were fighting in Kashmir. that were fighting in Kashmir.
753 00:37:04,291 00:37:09,291 I encouraged a friend that I had to go and get training there. I encouraged a friend that I had to go and get training there.
754 00:37:10,375 00:37:13,041 Shreiber: For helping his friend travel to Pakistan Shreiber: For helping his friend travel to Pakistan
755 00:37:13,041 00:37:15,583 to train with a jihadist group, to train with a jihadist group,
756 00:37:15,583 00:37:19,333 Ismail Royer was arrested in 2003. Ismail Royer was arrested in 2003.
757 00:37:19,333 00:37:22,458 He pled guilty and received a 20-year prison sentence. He pled guilty and received a 20-year prison sentence.
758 00:37:24,208 00:37:26,625 Royer: Because I was in prison, Royer: Because I was in prison,
759 00:37:26,625 00:37:28,375 I was only tangentially aware I was only tangentially aware
760 00:37:28,375 00:37:30,708 of how important the Internet of how important the Internet
761 00:37:30,708 00:37:33,417 had become in radicalization had become in radicalization
762 00:37:33,417 00:37:36,291 until I met this crop of young people until I met this crop of young people
763 00:37:36,291 00:37:38,083 who had come in who had come in
764 00:37:38,083 00:37:41,500 after having been radicalized online. after having been radicalized online.
765 00:37:41,500 00:37:44,917 This group of people were of a different degree altogether This group of people were of a different degree altogether
766 00:37:44,917 00:37:46,458 of ideological extremism of ideological extremism
767 00:37:46,458 00:37:49,125 than anyone I'd ever encountered before. than anyone I'd ever encountered before.
768 00:37:49,125 00:37:51,083 Man: We tell you Muslims to rise up. Man: We tell you Muslims to rise up.
769 00:37:51,083 00:37:54,708 To hell with every ideology, ism, and schism To hell with every ideology, ism, and schism
770 00:37:54,708 00:37:57,083 that does not agree with our Islam. that does not agree with our Islam.
771 00:37:57,083 00:37:58,583 Morton: I was handing out flyers Morton: I was handing out flyers
772 00:37:58,583 00:38:00,542 on behalf of the Islamic Thinkers Society, on behalf of the Islamic Thinkers Society,
773 00:38:00,542 00:38:02,417 and a young individual approached me and a young individual approached me
774 00:38:02,417 00:38:04,959 and said that he agreed with our message, and said that he agreed with our message,
775 00:38:04,959 00:38:06,583 and we became friends. and we became friends.
776 00:38:06,583 00:38:09,417 Zachary Chesser was incredibly intelligent and articulate, Zachary Chesser was incredibly intelligent and articulate,
777 00:38:09,417 00:38:15,542 but narcissistic to a degree that was scary. but narcissistic to a degree that was scary.
778 00:38:15,542 00:38:19,125 He went from not being a Muslim at all to being a Muslim He went from not being a Muslim at all to being a Muslim
779 00:38:19,125 00:38:22,583 and then on to becoming a staunch supporter and then on to becoming a staunch supporter
780 00:38:22,583 00:38:25,542 of Anwar al-Awlaki almost overnight. of Anwar al-Awlaki almost overnight.
781 00:38:25,542 00:38:28,792 He and Anwar al-Awlaki would communicate, He and Anwar al-Awlaki would communicate,
782 00:38:28,792 00:38:31,959 like anybody else could, over e-mail -- general e-mail. like anybody else could, over e-mail -- general e-mail.
783 00:38:31,959 00:38:33,750 I still remember Anwar al-Awlaki's, I still remember Anwar al-Awlaki's,
784 00:38:33,750 00:38:35,291 you know, Yahoo account. you know, Yahoo account.
785 00:38:35,291 00:38:38,250 We started to discuss the idea We started to discuss the idea
786 00:38:38,250 00:38:40,125 of formulating a new organization. of formulating a new organization.
787 00:38:40,125 00:38:42,500 So we started Revolution Muslim. So we started Revolution Muslim.
788 00:38:45,208 00:38:48,291 Shreiber: Revolution Muslim posted anti-Western propaganda Shreiber: Revolution Muslim posted anti-Western propaganda
789 00:38:48,291 00:38:49,708 on its blog and website on its blog and website
790 00:38:49,708 00:38:53,417 to draw recruits to their cause. to draw recruits to their cause.
791 00:38:53,417 00:38:55,542 The hits on the website went from couple hundred a day, The hits on the website went from couple hundred a day,
792 00:38:55,542 00:38:59,583 in the beginning, to several thousand a day. in the beginning, to several thousand a day.
793 00:38:59,583 00:39:00,542 The rate of people that go The rate of people that go
794 00:39:00,542 00:39:04,291 from a radical, violent, extremist ideology from a radical, violent, extremist ideology
795 00:39:04,291 00:39:07,708 to actually the commission of violence is very low. to actually the commission of violence is very low.
796 00:39:07,708 00:39:11,041 But the more and more that you spread the ideology, But the more and more that you spread the ideology,
797 00:39:11,041 00:39:14,291 that pool of recruits grows. that pool of recruits grows.
798 00:39:14,291 00:39:16,500 And I remember, the very first public case And I remember, the very first public case
799 00:39:16,500 00:39:18,500 that was connected to Revolution Muslim, that was connected to Revolution Muslim,
800 00:39:18,500 00:39:21,291 and her name was, in the press, Jihad Jane. and her name was, in the press, Jihad Jane.
801 00:39:21,291 00:39:23,333 Reporter: The woman behind the veil, Reporter: The woman behind the veil,
802 00:39:23,333 00:39:25,667 Colleen LaRose, hiding behind alias "Jihad Jane," Colleen LaRose, hiding behind alias "Jihad Jane,"
803 00:39:25,667 00:39:28,375 recruited fellow radicals over the Internet. recruited fellow radicals over the Internet.
804 00:39:28,375 00:39:29,959 Morton: It was a case of homegrown radicalization. Morton: It was a case of homegrown radicalization.
805 00:39:29,959 00:39:33,834 And they asked her, "Well, what did you pay most attention to?" And they asked her, "Well, what did you pay most attention to?"
806 00:39:33,834 00:39:36,667 She said, "I listened to the lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki, She said, "I listened to the lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki,
807 00:39:36,667 00:39:39,542 and I watched this website that I loved, Revolution Muslim." and I watched this website that I loved, Revolution Muslim."
808 00:39:39,542 00:39:40,750 With more on this, we go to Younus Abdullah Muhammad. With more on this, we go to Younus Abdullah Muhammad.
809 00:39:40,750 00:39:45,041 He heads up the website revolutionmuslim.com. He heads up the website revolutionmuslim.com.
810 00:39:45,041 00:39:47,041 Rather than talking about Jihad Jane, Rather than talking about Jihad Jane,
811 00:39:47,041 00:39:48,917 they should have been talking about G.I. Joe. they should have been talking about G.I. Joe.
812 00:39:48,917 00:39:52,750 Anwar al-Awlaki was proud and very happy about this case. Anwar al-Awlaki was proud and very happy about this case.
813 00:39:52,750 00:39:57,542 And I remember he said, "Now Jihad" -- And I remember he said, "Now Jihad" --
814 00:39:57,542 00:39:59,250 basically, meaning "terrorism" -- basically, meaning "terrorism" --
815 00:39:59,250 00:40:02,208 "is as American as apple pie." "is as American as apple pie."
816 00:40:02,208 00:40:05,250 A new terror recruiting video calls out by name A new terror recruiting video calls out by name
817 00:40:05,250 00:40:06,458 a number of young Minnesota men a number of young Minnesota men
818 00:40:06,458 00:40:09,917 who died fighting for al-Shabaab. who died fighting for al-Shabaab.
819 00:40:15,875 00:40:17,000 Man: Amongst the many Muslims Man: Amongst the many Muslims
820 00:40:17,000 00:40:19,834 who could no longer call the United States their home who could no longer call the United States their home
821 00:40:19,834 00:40:21,583 were the Minnesota martyrs. were the Minnesota martyrs.
822 00:40:21,583 00:40:23,250 These young men could not afford These young men could not afford
823 00:40:23,250 00:40:25,708 to just sit and watch as the American crusaders to just sit and watch as the American crusaders
824 00:40:25,708 00:40:27,834 perpetrated the most hideous atrocities perpetrated the most hideous atrocities
825 00:40:27,834 00:40:29,250 against their Muslim brothers. against their Muslim brothers.
826 00:40:29,250 00:40:30,917 Allahu akbar! Allahu akbar!
827 00:40:30,917 00:40:32,834 -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar!
828 00:40:36,417 00:40:37,500 The three things that young people seek The three things that young people seek
829 00:40:37,500 00:40:40,375 across the board, across countries, across the board, across countries,
830 00:40:40,375 00:40:43,417 is they're looking for identity, is they're looking for identity,
831 00:40:43,417 00:40:46,291 they're looking for belonging, they're looking for belonging,
832 00:40:46,291 00:40:48,792 and they're looking for a purpose. and they're looking for a purpose.
833 00:40:48,792 00:40:51,834 We are facing you with men who love death We are facing you with men who love death
834 00:40:51,834 00:40:53,875 just like you love life. just like you love life.
835 00:40:53,875 00:40:56,500 We love death more than you love life. We love death more than you love life.
836 00:40:56,500 00:40:58,291 We seek martyrdom. We seek martyrdom.
837 00:40:58,291 00:40:59,583 [ Gunfire ] [ Gunfire ]
838 00:40:59,583 00:41:02,458 Hitchens: Young kids who want adventure, Hitchens: Young kids who want adventure,
839 00:41:02,458 00:41:04,083 who want to be part of a change, who want to be part of a change,
840 00:41:04,083 00:41:05,625 who have that revolutionary zeal -- who have that revolutionary zeal --
841 00:41:05,625 00:41:08,917 Salafi jihadism is offering that to them. Salafi jihadism is offering that to them.
842 00:41:08,917 00:41:10,792 30, 40 years ago, these were kids 30, 40 years ago, these were kids
843 00:41:10,792 00:41:12,959 who may have been looking towards far left who may have been looking towards far left
844 00:41:12,959 00:41:15,208 or anarchist ideologies or communism. or anarchist ideologies or communism.
845 00:41:15,208 00:41:16,250 Unfortunately, now, the biggest Unfortunately, now, the biggest
846 00:41:16,250 00:41:18,959 sort of revolutionary countercultural movement sort of revolutionary countercultural movement
847 00:41:18,959 00:41:20,458 in Western society, in Western society,
848 00:41:20,458 00:41:22,875 and perhaps in the world, is Salafi jihadism. and perhaps in the world, is Salafi jihadism.
849 00:41:22,875 00:41:26,959 If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here.
850 00:41:26,959 00:41:28,708 This is the real Disneyland. This is the real Disneyland.
851 00:41:28,708 00:41:30,291 You need to come here and join us... You need to come here and join us...
852 00:41:30,291 00:41:31,959 Man: Allahu akbar! Man: Allahu akbar!
853 00:41:31,959 00:41:33,708 ...and take pleasure in this fun. ...and take pleasure in this fun.
854 00:41:35,875 00:41:38,750 It's a shock, and it's never the way It's a shock, and it's never the way
855 00:41:38,750 00:41:42,333 I imagined that our life would turn out. I imagined that our life would turn out.
856 00:41:47,583 00:41:51,500 Troy was a really energetic child. Troy was a really energetic child.
857 00:41:51,500 00:41:55,625 ♪ You make a lot of better friends ♪ ♪ You make a lot of better friends ♪
858 00:41:57,708 00:41:59,667 He was very athletic. He was very athletic.
859 00:41:59,667 00:42:02,959 He played basketball and did karate. He played basketball and did karate.
860 00:42:05,083 00:42:07,792 By time Troy was out of high school, By time Troy was out of high school,
861 00:42:07,792 00:42:08,667 he wasn't doing well. he wasn't doing well.
862 00:42:08,667 00:42:11,625 I think he was sometimes frustrated, I think he was sometimes frustrated,
863 00:42:11,625 00:42:13,333 sometimes feeling really lost. sometimes feeling really lost.
864 00:42:13,333 00:42:16,125 Troy converted to Islam, Troy converted to Islam,
865 00:42:16,125 00:42:18,500 and it really was great for him. and it really was great for him.
866 00:42:18,500 00:42:20,750 He'd been struggling with chemical use, He'd been struggling with chemical use,
867 00:42:20,750 00:42:21,542 and it was just really clear, and it was just really clear,
868 00:42:21,542 00:42:24,041 you know, you don't use chemicals. you know, you don't use chemicals.
869 00:42:24,041 00:42:27,583 And he stopped, and he was really clean and positive. And he stopped, and he was really clean and positive.
870 00:42:27,583 00:42:29,083 He loved the community. He loved the community.
871 00:42:29,083 00:42:30,750 He loved the Friday prayers with all the men. He loved the Friday prayers with all the men.
872 00:42:34,375 00:42:36,000 He was excited about things He was excited about things
873 00:42:36,000 00:42:39,166 and really wanting to know more about the religion. and really wanting to know more about the religion.
874 00:42:41,041 00:42:42,458 Be careful. Be careful.
875 00:42:42,458 00:42:45,166 Do not trust the enemies of Allah. Do not trust the enemies of Allah.
876 00:42:45,166 00:42:48,375 I do remember, he was watching some videos with a cleric, I do remember, he was watching some videos with a cleric,
877 00:42:48,375 00:42:49,458 but the little things that I'd see, but the little things that I'd see,
878 00:42:49,458 00:42:52,834 it didn't seem really hateful. it didn't seem really hateful.
879 00:42:52,834 00:42:55,291 Many of the people just follow what is told, Many of the people just follow what is told,
880 00:42:55,291 00:42:56,708 what they're told. what they're told.
881 00:42:56,708 00:42:59,750 I just was not aware to, like, watch and go, I just was not aware to, like, watch and go,
882 00:42:59,750 00:43:02,375 "What is that guy saying?" "What is that guy saying?"
883 00:43:02,375 00:43:05,750 Never ever trust a kuffar. Never ever trust a kuffar.
884 00:43:05,750 00:43:08,834 [ Man chanting in Arabic ] [ Man chanting in Arabic ]
885 00:43:13,083 00:43:17,417 Boada: Then, all of a sudden, he said he was going to Kenya Boada: Then, all of a sudden, he said he was going to Kenya
886 00:43:17,417 00:43:19,875 to study and to teach English. to study and to teach English.
887 00:43:19,875 00:43:23,166 And you know, it was a little strange to me -- And you know, it was a little strange to me --
888 00:43:23,166 00:43:24,583 like, I questioned him about it -- like, I questioned him about it --
889 00:43:24,583 00:43:26,542 but in my mind, the way it made sense but in my mind, the way it made sense
890 00:43:26,542 00:43:29,000 was sort of the same way Christian organizations was sort of the same way Christian organizations
891 00:43:29,000 00:43:30,708 send missionaries places. send missionaries places.
892 00:43:30,708 00:43:33,708 -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar!
893 00:43:33,708 00:43:37,250 Boada: When the FBI came to let me know Boada: When the FBI came to let me know
894 00:43:37,250 00:43:39,583 about what they thought was happening, about what they thought was happening,
895 00:43:39,583 00:43:41,500 it was really shocking to me. I didn't -- it was really shocking to me. I didn't --
896 00:43:41,500 00:43:44,250 And I even e-mailed him, and I said, "Stay in Kenya, And I even e-mailed him, and I said, "Stay in Kenya,
897 00:43:44,250 00:43:45,250 because the FBI thinks because the FBI thinks
898 00:43:45,250 00:43:47,708 that you're connected with something bad. that you're connected with something bad.
899 00:43:47,708 00:43:48,667 And if you go into Somalia, And if you go into Somalia,
900 00:43:48,667 00:43:51,166 you're, you know, that -- that..." you're, you know, that -- that..."
901 00:43:51,166 00:43:54,291 So I was still really thinking that he was in Kenya. So I was still really thinking that he was in Kenya.
902 00:43:54,291 00:43:57,250 We're here in the land of jihad -- Somalia. We're here in the land of jihad -- Somalia.
903 00:43:57,250 00:43:59,792 You guys need to come here. You guys need to come here.
904 00:43:59,792 00:44:01,834 This is the place to be. This is the place to be.
905 00:44:01,834 00:44:05,834 Troy never would have considered that he was a terrorist. Troy never would have considered that he was a terrorist.
906 00:44:05,834 00:44:08,917 I think he may have believed he was joining a rebellion I think he may have believed he was joining a rebellion
907 00:44:08,917 00:44:10,959 to help the Somali people. to help the Somali people.
908 00:44:13,125 00:44:15,041 He never was violent. He never was violent.
909 00:44:15,041 00:44:16,542 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
910 00:44:16,542 00:44:19,125 But I'm not stupid. But I'm not stupid.
911 00:44:19,125 00:44:23,375 I know that those people get into the force of the group. I know that those people get into the force of the group.
912 00:44:24,750 00:44:25,917 People do do horrible things. People do do horrible things.
913 00:44:41,083 00:44:43,000 -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! -Takbir! -Allahu akbar!
914 00:44:43,000 00:44:44,125 -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! -Takbir! -Allahu akbar!
915 00:44:44,125 00:44:47,625 Shreiber: Troy Kastigar left his home in Minnesota Shreiber: Troy Kastigar left his home in Minnesota
916 00:44:47,625 00:44:50,208 in November of 2008. in November of 2008.
917 00:44:50,208 00:44:53,500 Less than a year later, he was killed in Somalia. Less than a year later, he was killed in Somalia.
918 00:45:14,041 00:45:17,708 Boada: The loss is terrible and shocking. Boada: The loss is terrible and shocking.
919 00:45:19,875 00:45:22,375 I'm careful about talking about this loss, I'm careful about talking about this loss,
920 00:45:22,375 00:45:26,542 because I can't bear because I can't bear
921 00:45:26,542 00:45:30,333 to have anyone be hateful toward my son. to have anyone be hateful toward my son.
922 00:45:30,333 00:45:34,458 And, um, I just can't bear it. And, um, I just can't bear it.
923 00:45:39,000 00:45:43,375 There is this idea that these young people are demons. There is this idea that these young people are demons.
924 00:45:45,834 00:45:46,875 So to have other people So to have other people
925 00:45:46,875 00:45:51,542 that you can just share the grief with, that you can just share the grief with,
926 00:45:51,542 00:45:56,959 who also adore their children... who also adore their children...
927 00:45:56,959 00:46:00,875 and understand they made some bad decisions. and understand they made some bad decisions.
928 00:46:04,667 00:46:09,542 Yes, my son was trained, processed, Yes, my son was trained, processed,
929 00:46:09,542 00:46:13,417 programmed to kill, programmed to kill,
930 00:46:13,417 00:46:16,500 in Yemen, in a foreign country. in Yemen, in a foreign country.
931 00:46:20,792 00:46:25,083 Carlos grew up as a very happy person. Carlos grew up as a very happy person.
932 00:46:25,083 00:46:29,041 In Memphis, we operated a tour-bus company. In Memphis, we operated a tour-bus company.
933 00:46:29,041 00:46:30,625 Carlos would love to hang around Carlos would love to hang around
934 00:46:30,625 00:46:32,708 and talk to the people. and talk to the people.
935 00:46:32,708 00:46:35,166 He loved to try to pick up on a different language. He loved to try to pick up on a different language.
936 00:46:36,166 00:46:38,708 Holley: He got in some trouble in college. Holley: He got in some trouble in college.
937 00:46:38,708 00:46:41,041 And basically, when he went to court, the judge said, And basically, when he went to court, the judge said,
938 00:46:41,041 00:46:42,625 "If I see you in my courtroom again, you know, "If I see you in my courtroom again, you know,
939 00:46:42,625 00:46:44,959 you're going to do time." you're going to do time."
940 00:46:44,959 00:46:47,250 And we honestly think that scared him. And we honestly think that scared him.
941 00:46:48,375 00:46:51,625 He wanted to change his religion because he thought, He wanted to change his religion because he thought,
942 00:46:51,625 00:46:53,041 "Well, maybe I'm not getting enough "Well, maybe I'm not getting enough
943 00:46:53,041 00:46:54,291 from the Baptist religion. from the Baptist religion.
944 00:46:54,291 00:46:55,208 I need to find another religion I need to find another religion
945 00:46:55,208 00:46:59,041 to try to help keep me out of trouble." to try to help keep me out of trouble."
946 00:46:59,041 00:47:01,500 Shreiber: While in college in Nashville, Shreiber: While in college in Nashville,
947 00:47:01,500 00:47:04,000 Carlos Bledsoe converted to Islam Carlos Bledsoe converted to Islam
948 00:47:04,000 00:47:07,708 and changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. and changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad.
949 00:47:07,708 00:47:11,291 Bledsoe: One of the things that really changed with Carlos -- Bledsoe: One of the things that really changed with Carlos --
950 00:47:11,291 00:47:13,667 when he gave away his dog. when he gave away his dog.
951 00:47:13,667 00:47:16,208 Holley: Carlos loved animals. Holley: Carlos loved animals.
952 00:47:16,208 00:47:18,667 And the golden retriever, which was his heart, And the golden retriever, which was his heart,
953 00:47:18,667 00:47:21,375 he left him out in the woods, he left him out in the woods,
954 00:47:21,375 00:47:24,166 because he said that that was not something -- because he said that that was not something --
955 00:47:24,166 00:47:25,500 as a Muslim, as a Muslim,
956 00:47:25,500 00:47:27,625 you shouldn't have animals in your house. you shouldn't have animals in your house.
957 00:47:27,625 00:47:29,250 Carlos come home maybe a couple months later Carlos come home maybe a couple months later
958 00:47:29,250 00:47:33,041 and said to us that he was going to be going to Yemen. and said to us that he was going to be going to Yemen.
959 00:47:34,875 00:47:37,834 Shreiber: Bledsoe arrived in Yemen Shreiber: Bledsoe arrived in Yemen
960 00:47:37,834 00:47:40,291 with a letter of recommendation from an imam, with a letter of recommendation from an imam,
961 00:47:40,291 00:47:43,667 describing him as a practicing Salafi. describing him as a practicing Salafi.
962 00:47:43,667 00:47:46,250 He was admitted to Dar al-Hadith, He was admitted to Dar al-Hadith,
963 00:47:46,250 00:47:49,959 an Islamist seminary, where he studied the Qur'an. an Islamist seminary, where he studied the Qur'an.
964 00:47:50,834 00:47:55,625 One late night, got a phone call. One late night, got a phone call.
965 00:47:55,625 00:47:57,333 "Your son" -- that's the only thing "Your son" -- that's the only thing
966 00:47:57,333 00:47:59,041 I could understand at the time. I could understand at the time.
967 00:47:59,041 00:47:59,708 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
968 00:47:59,708 00:48:02,083 Shreiber: While in Yemen, Shreiber: While in Yemen,
969 00:48:02,083 00:48:04,750 Bledsoe was arrested for carrying a fake passport, Bledsoe was arrested for carrying a fake passport,
970 00:48:04,750 00:48:06,667 which he had intended to use which he had intended to use
971 00:48:06,667 00:48:09,208 to travel to Somalia for training. to travel to Somalia for training.
972 00:48:09,208 00:48:11,667 He was also in possession of a flash drive He was also in possession of a flash drive
973 00:48:11,667 00:48:13,166 loaded with bomb-making instructions, loaded with bomb-making instructions,
974 00:48:13,166 00:48:16,917 as well as lectures by Awlaki and others. as well as lectures by Awlaki and others.
975 00:48:19,875 00:48:21,625 Bledsoe: At the State Department, Bledsoe: At the State Department,
976 00:48:21,625 00:48:24,375 we had a dialogue that lasted almost a couple months we had a dialogue that lasted almost a couple months
977 00:48:24,375 00:48:25,708 before Carlos was abruptly released before Carlos was abruptly released
978 00:48:25,708 00:48:28,250 from the Yemenis' jail from the Yemenis' jail
979 00:48:28,250 00:48:29,708 and they was going to allow my son and they was going to allow my son
980 00:48:29,708 00:48:30,542 to travel back to America. to travel back to America.
981 00:48:30,542 00:48:32,917 [ Horn honks ] [ Horn honks ]
982 00:48:34,291 00:48:38,417 When he was in Yemen, before he came back, When he was in Yemen, before he came back,
983 00:48:38,417 00:48:40,917 he was in a jail with well-known terrorists. he was in a jail with well-known terrorists.
984 00:48:40,917 00:48:44,583 They threw him in there with the wolves. They threw him in there with the wolves.
985 00:48:44,583 00:48:48,917 And now he's being told that when he comes back to America, And now he's being told that when he comes back to America,
986 00:48:48,917 00:48:50,917 that he must do something. that he must do something.
987 00:48:53,417 00:48:55,583 [ Gunshots ] [ Gunshots ]
988 00:48:59,250 00:49:01,917 Reporter: Shots rang out at this Little Rock shopping center Reporter: Shots rang out at this Little Rock shopping center
989 00:49:01,917 00:49:05,208 shortly after 10:00 Monday morning. shortly after 10:00 Monday morning.
990 00:49:05,208 00:49:08,583 The victims -- two U.S. Army soldiers. The victims -- two U.S. Army soldiers.
991 00:49:08,583 00:49:09,625 23-year-old Private William Long 23-year-old Private William Long
992 00:49:09,625 00:49:12,917 of Conway was killed. of Conway was killed.
993 00:49:12,917 00:49:14,959 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula
994 00:49:14,959 00:49:16,166 seriously injured, when, police say, seriously injured, when, police say,
995 00:49:16,166 00:49:21,000 a suspect in a black S.U.V. drove by, opening fire. a suspect in a black S.U.V. drove by, opening fire.
996 00:49:22,500 00:49:25,667 When I got that phone call from the FBI... When I got that phone call from the FBI...
997 00:49:25,667 00:49:27,792 that was... that was...
998 00:49:27,792 00:49:29,792 really a knockout pain. really a knockout pain.
999 00:49:29,792 00:49:32,792 "Why would you do this, Carlos?" "Why would you do this, Carlos?"
1000 00:49:32,792 00:49:34,959 That was the question that we kept repeating, That was the question that we kept repeating,
1001 00:49:34,959 00:49:37,083 asking ourselves, "Why would you do this?" asking ourselves, "Why would you do this?"
1002 00:49:38,250 00:49:43,125 Bledsoe: My son Carlos -- he forgot who we were. Bledsoe: My son Carlos -- he forgot who we were.
1003 00:49:43,125 00:49:44,625 You give away your dog, You give away your dog,
1004 00:49:44,625 00:49:46,458 you give away all your possessions. you give away all your possessions.
1005 00:49:46,458 00:49:50,708 And if you can't convince your parents or your family And if you can't convince your parents or your family
1006 00:49:50,708 00:49:53,000 to become Muslims, to become Muslims,
1007 00:49:53,000 00:49:55,208 then you forget who they are, as well. then you forget who they are, as well.
1008 00:49:57,583 00:49:59,875 Shreiber: Carlos Bledsoe sent a letter from jail Shreiber: Carlos Bledsoe sent a letter from jail
1009 00:49:59,875 00:50:02,583 to the judge in the case. to the judge in the case.
1010 00:50:02,583 00:50:05,208 He described himself as a soldier of al-Qaeda He described himself as a soldier of al-Qaeda
1011 00:50:05,208 00:50:08,000 in the Arabian Peninsula. in the Arabian Peninsula.
1012 00:50:08,000 00:50:10,583 He described the shooting as a jihadi attack, He described the shooting as a jihadi attack,
1013 00:50:10,583 00:50:11,667 done in retribution done in retribution
1014 00:50:11,667 00:50:14,667 for the killing of Muslims by American soldiers for the killing of Muslims by American soldiers
1015 00:50:14,667 00:50:16,917 in Iraq and Afghanistan. in Iraq and Afghanistan.
1016 00:50:16,917 00:50:20,250 Bledsoe also spoke to the media. Bledsoe also spoke to the media.
1017 00:50:41,000 00:50:43,000 He thought was he did was right. He thought was he did was right.
1018 00:50:43,000 00:50:44,834 Basically, he was going to the media Basically, he was going to the media
1019 00:50:44,834 00:50:47,417 saying he'll do it again. saying he'll do it again.
1020 00:50:47,417 00:50:50,208 If he's let go, he'll do it again. If he's let go, he'll do it again.
1021 00:50:50,208 00:50:53,792 Shreiber: Bledsoe pled guilty to capital murder charges Shreiber: Bledsoe pled guilty to capital murder charges
1022 00:50:53,792 00:50:56,291 and was served 11 consecutive life sentences. and was served 11 consecutive life sentences.
1023 00:50:59,208 00:51:02,083 Holley: This has been a tough pill to swallow. Holley: This has been a tough pill to swallow.
1024 00:51:03,667 00:51:06,125 Still trying to digest it. Still trying to digest it.
1025 00:51:06,125 00:51:07,792 I think it hurts more because I have two boys. I think it hurts more because I have two boys.
1026 00:51:07,792 00:51:11,625 They do go and visit him. They do go and visit him.
1027 00:51:11,625 00:51:13,041 And my oldest, he asked the question, And my oldest, he asked the question,
1028 00:51:13,041 00:51:16,291 "Mommy, what did Uncle Carlos do?" "Mommy, what did Uncle Carlos do?"
1029 00:51:16,291 00:51:19,750 And I have not been able to fathom the words And I have not been able to fathom the words
1030 00:51:19,750 00:51:21,041 to let him know. to let him know.
1031 00:51:21,041 00:51:22,875 I just say, "He did something bad, I just say, "He did something bad,
1032 00:51:22,875 00:51:24,959 and when you do something bad, you have to -- and when you do something bad, you have to --
1033 00:51:24,959 00:51:27,417 you're punished for it. you're punished for it.
1034 00:51:27,417 00:51:30,291 You know, you have to pay for what you've done. You know, you have to pay for what you've done.
1035 00:51:30,291 00:51:33,917 And that's what Uncle Carlos is doing." And that's what Uncle Carlos is doing."
1036 00:51:33,917 00:51:36,667 And it breaks my heart. And it breaks my heart.
1037 00:51:36,667 00:51:38,500 It breaks my heart. It breaks my heart.
1038 00:51:41,917 00:51:43,834 Reporter: Let's set the scene here at Fort Hood. Reporter: Let's set the scene here at Fort Hood.
1039 00:51:43,834 00:51:45,500 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
1040 00:51:45,500 00:51:47,291 The base still on lockdown, The base still on lockdown,
1041 00:51:47,291 00:51:48,875 and we're still trying to figure out the motive and we're still trying to figure out the motive
1042 00:51:48,875 00:51:51,458 in this shooting. in this shooting.
1043 00:51:51,458 00:51:53,875 Reporter #2: Witnesses say he entered a medical building, Reporter #2: Witnesses say he entered a medical building,
1044 00:51:53,875 00:51:56,917 wearing an Army combat uniform, and started shooting, wearing an Army combat uniform, and started shooting,
1045 00:51:56,917 00:51:59,250 shouting in Arabic that God is great. shouting in Arabic that God is great.
1046 00:51:59,250 00:52:00,708 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
1047 00:52:00,708 00:52:02,917 Shreiber: At an Army base in Fort Hood, Texas, Shreiber: At an Army base in Fort Hood, Texas,
1048 00:52:02,917 00:52:07,834 a lone gunman killed 13 and wounded 32 others. a lone gunman killed 13 and wounded 32 others.
1049 00:52:07,834 00:52:11,417 Holley: When it happened in Texas, I felt like, Holley: When it happened in Texas, I felt like,
1050 00:52:11,417 00:52:13,792 "Did Carlos start something? "Did Carlos start something?
1051 00:52:13,792 00:52:15,583 Did my brother start it? Did my brother start it?
1052 00:52:15,583 00:52:18,000 Are there people trying to mimic what he did?" Are there people trying to mimic what he did?"
1053 00:52:19,708 00:52:22,708 Shreiber: Major Nidal Hasan was an American-born Muslim Shreiber: Major Nidal Hasan was an American-born Muslim
1054 00:52:22,708 00:52:23,792 scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan
1055 00:52:23,792 00:52:26,959 the following month. the following month.
1056 00:52:26,959 00:52:28,417 Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was a man Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was a man
1057 00:52:28,417 00:52:30,083 who was an American Muslim soldier who was an American Muslim soldier
1058 00:52:30,083 00:52:31,166 in the post-9/11 era. in the post-9/11 era.
1059 00:52:31,166 00:52:33,959 Muslims were, for right or wrong, Muslims were, for right or wrong,
1060 00:52:33,959 00:52:35,083 dying at the hands of American soldiers. dying at the hands of American soldiers.
1061 00:52:35,083 00:52:37,500 And this was an American Muslim And this was an American Muslim
1062 00:52:37,500 00:52:39,166 who was struggling with that split identity. who was struggling with that split identity.
1063 00:52:39,166 00:52:41,667 Reporter: The Army and the FBI Reporter: The Army and the FBI
1064 00:52:41,667 00:52:44,500 are now combing Hasan's computer records, are now combing Hasan's computer records,
1065 00:52:44,500 00:52:46,083 assessing his apparent attraction assessing his apparent attraction
1066 00:52:46,083 00:52:47,208 to inflammatory websites to inflammatory websites
1067 00:52:47,208 00:52:50,792 and this mosque in suburban Washington. and this mosque in suburban Washington.
1068 00:52:53,583 00:52:57,750 Schmidt: While Awlaki was serving as imam of Dar Al-Hijrah, Schmidt: While Awlaki was serving as imam of Dar Al-Hijrah,
1069 00:52:57,750 00:53:01,834 one of the people attending the mosque was Nidal Hasan. one of the people attending the mosque was Nidal Hasan.
1070 00:53:01,834 00:53:03,417 And Awlaki, in the spring of 2001, And Awlaki, in the spring of 2001,
1071 00:53:03,417 00:53:08,000 presided over the funeral for Hasan's mother. presided over the funeral for Hasan's mother.
1072 00:53:09,208 00:53:13,166 By 2009, Awlaki was openly radical, By 2009, Awlaki was openly radical,
1073 00:53:13,166 00:53:16,583 and he started getting e-mails from Nidal Hasan. and he started getting e-mails from Nidal Hasan.
1074 00:53:18,834 00:53:22,375 Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was very keen to get instructions from Awlaki. Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was very keen to get instructions from Awlaki.
1075 00:53:25,375 00:53:27,750 Awlaki didn't give him too many. Awlaki didn't give him too many.
1076 00:53:27,750 00:53:30,583 But he certainly didn't discourage him from his actions. But he certainly didn't discourage him from his actions.
1077 00:53:33,750 00:53:38,625 Shreiber: The FBI had been monitoring Awlaki's e-mails with Hasan. Shreiber: The FBI had been monitoring Awlaki's e-mails with Hasan.
1078 00:53:40,875 00:53:44,041 But due to a lack of interdepartmental communication, But due to a lack of interdepartmental communication,
1079 00:53:44,041 00:53:46,417 the 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and Awlaki the 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and Awlaki
1080 00:53:46,417 00:53:49,500 were never shared with the Terrorism Task Force. were never shared with the Terrorism Task Force.
1081 00:53:51,625 00:53:54,417 Soufan: Major Hasan never went to al-Qaeda training camp. Soufan: Major Hasan never went to al-Qaeda training camp.
1082 00:53:54,417 00:53:59,625 He never traveled to places considered al-Qaeda. He never traveled to places considered al-Qaeda.
1083 00:53:59,625 00:54:02,166 The criteria that was used before The criteria that was used before
1084 00:54:02,166 00:54:04,959 to detect terrorism, did not fit. to detect terrorism, did not fit.
1085 00:54:05,917 00:54:07,959 Bergen: Major Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington, Virginia, Bergen: Major Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington, Virginia,
1086 00:54:07,959 00:54:10,792 half a century ago. half a century ago.
1087 00:54:10,792 00:54:14,083 So the problem we have now is really a domestic problem. So the problem we have now is really a domestic problem.
1088 00:54:14,083 00:54:17,834 This is a time of war. This is a time of war.
1089 00:54:17,834 00:54:20,083 And these Americans did not die And these Americans did not die
1090 00:54:20,083 00:54:23,417 on a foreign field of battle. on a foreign field of battle.
1091 00:54:23,417 00:54:28,125 They were killed here, on American soil. They were killed here, on American soil.
1092 00:54:28,125 00:54:30,750 America refuses to admit America refuses to admit
1093 00:54:30,750 00:54:31,917 that its foreign policies that its foreign policies
1094 00:54:31,917 00:54:35,166 are the reasons behind the men like Nidal Hasan, are the reasons behind the men like Nidal Hasan,
1095 00:54:35,166 00:54:38,583 born and raised in the U.S., born and raised in the U.S.,
1096 00:54:38,583 00:54:41,458 turning his guns against American soldiers. turning his guns against American soldiers.
1097 00:54:41,458 00:54:45,125 Khan: The American government is losing this war. Khan: The American government is losing this war.
1098 00:54:45,125 00:54:47,542 This is something that America This is something that America
1099 00:54:47,542 00:54:49,417 would never want to admit. would never want to admit.
1100 00:54:49,417 00:54:52,417 They would never want to admit that they're being crushed. They would never want to admit that they're being crushed.
1101 00:54:52,417 00:54:56,667 Shreiber: 21-year-Old Samir Khan was a Saudi-born American citizen. Shreiber: 21-year-Old Samir Khan was a Saudi-born American citizen.
1102 00:54:57,875 00:55:01,500 Samir Khan was a young radical living in North Carolina Samir Khan was a young radical living in North Carolina
1103 00:55:01,500 00:55:04,583 who had been experimenting with jihadi media. who had been experimenting with jihadi media.
1104 00:55:07,875 00:55:11,333 Schmidt: Samir Khan had become a little bit of a star. Schmidt: Samir Khan had become a little bit of a star.
1105 00:55:11,333 00:55:13,291 His blog, written in the basement His blog, written in the basement
1106 00:55:13,291 00:55:15,250 of his parents' home in Charlotte, North Carolina, of his parents' home in Charlotte, North Carolina,
1107 00:55:15,250 00:55:19,250 was getting some attention. was getting some attention.
1108 00:55:19,250 00:55:23,333 Anwar al-Awlaki was in coordination with Samir, Anwar al-Awlaki was in coordination with Samir,
1109 00:55:23,333 00:55:24,959 recommending that we start recommending that we start
1110 00:55:24,959 00:55:27,208 the very first pro-al-Qaeda magazine the very first pro-al-Qaeda magazine
1111 00:55:27,208 00:55:28,792 in English. in English.
1112 00:55:28,792 00:55:30,542 And I penned an article And I penned an article
1113 00:55:30,542 00:55:33,291 that served as the cover story for the very first edition that served as the cover story for the very first edition
1114 00:55:33,291 00:55:36,291 of what was called Jihad Recollections. of what was called Jihad Recollections.
1115 00:55:36,291 00:55:38,917 Are you helping recruit for al-Qaeda? Are you helping recruit for al-Qaeda?
1116 00:55:38,917 00:55:40,125 No. No.
1117 00:55:40,125 00:55:41,625 -Not at all? -No. -Not at all? -No.
1118 00:55:41,625 00:55:44,792 -Helping recruit for terrorism? -Not at all. -Helping recruit for terrorism? -Not at all.
1119 00:55:44,792 00:55:46,834 Shreiber: When Samir's blog caught the attention Shreiber: When Samir's blog caught the attention
1120 00:55:46,834 00:55:47,917 of American news media, of American news media,
1121 00:55:47,917 00:55:51,417 he left the country on a one-way ticket to Yemen. he left the country on a one-way ticket to Yemen.
1122 00:55:53,834 00:55:56,125 Berger: When he joined Awlaki in Yemen, Berger: When he joined Awlaki in Yemen,
1123 00:55:56,125 00:55:59,834 they set out to re-create this magazine format and to -- they set out to re-create this magazine format and to --
1124 00:55:59,834 00:56:00,792 not just re-create it, not just re-create it,
1125 00:56:00,792 00:56:04,000 but really supercharge it and expand it. but really supercharge it and expand it.
1126 00:56:04,000 00:56:06,333 Schmidt: They created Inspire magazine, Schmidt: They created Inspire magazine,
1127 00:56:06,333 00:56:10,333 which became a hugely successful, new, which became a hugely successful, new,
1128 00:56:10,333 00:56:15,458 slick online magazine directed at Jihadi recruits. slick online magazine directed at Jihadi recruits.
1129 00:56:16,500 00:56:19,542 Berger: What Inspire really did that was different is it took Berger: What Inspire really did that was different is it took
1130 00:56:19,542 00:56:23,041 all this kind of classic Jihadi propaganda all this kind of classic Jihadi propaganda
1131 00:56:23,041 00:56:24,750 and married it to, "Oh, by the way, and married it to, "Oh, by the way,
1132 00:56:24,750 00:56:27,542 here's how to build a bomb in the kitchen of your mom." here's how to build a bomb in the kitchen of your mom."
1133 00:56:31,458 00:56:34,041 Morton: Anwar al-Awlaki is presented Morton: Anwar al-Awlaki is presented
1134 00:56:34,041 00:56:36,417 by the then-leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, by the then-leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula,
1135 00:56:36,417 00:56:38,000 and he's asking Osama bin Laden and he's asking Osama bin Laden
1136 00:56:38,000 00:56:39,875 if Anwar al-Awlaki can become the emir, if Anwar al-Awlaki can become the emir,
1137 00:56:39,875 00:56:42,250 the leader of the organization. the leader of the organization.
1138 00:56:42,250 00:56:43,750 And bin Laden is saying, "I don't know, And bin Laden is saying, "I don't know,
1139 00:56:43,750 00:56:45,708 because the magazine that they're publishing because the magazine that they're publishing
1140 00:56:45,708 00:56:46,792 and the plans that they're sending me and the plans that they're sending me
1141 00:56:46,792 00:56:50,542 are absolutely even worse than what I would do." are absolutely even worse than what I would do."
1142 00:56:50,542 00:56:53,458 Strapping razor blades to a pickup truck Strapping razor blades to a pickup truck
1143 00:56:53,458 00:56:56,125 and going down Times Square to mow people over, and going down Times Square to mow people over,
1144 00:56:56,125 00:57:00,333 and plans to poison the water supply of major cities. and plans to poison the water supply of major cities.
1145 00:57:01,500 00:57:04,875 Another big contribution Awlaki made Another big contribution Awlaki made
1146 00:57:04,875 00:57:07,917 to the Salafi jihadi movement was to develop to the Salafi jihadi movement was to develop
1147 00:57:07,917 00:57:09,625 the religious justification the religious justification
1148 00:57:09,625 00:57:11,625 for killing people who insulted the Prophet Muhammad. for killing people who insulted the Prophet Muhammad.
1149 00:57:14,041 00:57:17,250 You've done this town a huge favor [bleep] You've done this town a huge favor [bleep]
1150 00:57:17,250 00:57:18,959 Hold on a second! There are some extremists Hold on a second! There are some extremists
1151 00:57:18,959 00:57:22,417 threatening that if we give [bleep] to the celebrities, threatening that if we give [bleep] to the celebrities,
1152 00:57:22,417 00:57:23,000 they're gonna bomb us. they're gonna bomb us.
1153 00:57:23,000 00:57:24,083 What?! What?!
1154 00:57:24,083 00:57:26,875 [ Explosion ] [ Explosion ]
1155 00:57:26,875 00:57:29,166 Shreiber: When "South Park" aired an episode Shreiber: When "South Park" aired an episode
1156 00:57:29,166 00:57:31,708 depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit,
1157 00:57:31,708 00:57:34,875 Zachary Chesser posted an ominous threat Zachary Chesser posted an ominous threat
1158 00:57:34,875 00:57:36,792 on the Revolution Muslim website. on the Revolution Muslim website.
1159 00:57:38,750 00:57:42,458 Morton: Chesser posted a picture of Theo van Gogh, Morton: Chesser posted a picture of Theo van Gogh,
1160 00:57:42,458 00:57:44,875 who made a film about Islam who made a film about Islam
1161 00:57:44,875 00:57:47,917 and was killed in the middle of the street. and was killed in the middle of the street.
1162 00:57:47,917 00:57:50,000 He said that the writers of "South Park," He said that the writers of "South Park,"
1163 00:57:50,000 00:57:51,708 for portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, for portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit,
1164 00:57:51,708 00:57:54,500 would likely end up like Theo van Gogh. would likely end up like Theo van Gogh.
1165 00:57:54,500 00:57:56,625 This thing was covered in the press This thing was covered in the press
1166 00:57:56,625 00:58:00,333 as being the origin of it coming from Revolution Muslim. as being the origin of it coming from Revolution Muslim.
1167 00:58:00,333 00:58:02,041 It went viral. It went viral.
1168 00:58:02,041 00:58:03,208 We have more breaking news tonight We have more breaking news tonight
1169 00:58:03,208 00:58:05,667 about one of the leaders of a homegrown, radical group about one of the leaders of a homegrown, radical group
1170 00:58:05,667 00:58:07,208 called Revolution Muslim. called Revolution Muslim.
1171 00:58:07,208 00:58:09,917 "Turhibunna" -- this means "terrorize them." "Turhibunna" -- this means "terrorize them."
1172 00:58:09,917 00:58:11,500 It's a command from Allah. It's a command from Allah.
1173 00:58:11,500 00:58:13,708 Shreiber: Now a man named Jesse Curtis Morton, Shreiber: Now a man named Jesse Curtis Morton,
1174 00:58:13,708 00:58:16,125 who's also known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad, who's also known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad,
1175 00:58:16,125 00:58:17,625 has been threatening the writers has been threatening the writers
1176 00:58:17,625 00:58:20,166 of the television comedy series "South Park." of the television comedy series "South Park."
1177 00:58:20,166 00:58:22,417 Morton: Shortly after the "South Park" story unfolded, Morton: Shortly after the "South Park" story unfolded,
1178 00:58:22,417 00:58:25,166 Zachary Chesser was arrested Zachary Chesser was arrested
1179 00:58:25,166 00:58:27,625 for trying to join al-Shabaab in Somalia, for trying to join al-Shabaab in Somalia,
1180 00:58:27,625 00:58:29,500 and so I assumed and so I assumed
1181 00:58:29,500 00:58:32,333 that I would also soon be arrested that I would also soon be arrested
1182 00:58:32,333 00:58:35,333 for the "South Park" controversy. for the "South Park" controversy.
1183 00:58:35,333 00:58:38,375 So I left to go and move to Morocco, So I left to go and move to Morocco,
1184 00:58:38,375 00:58:40,750 where I was ultimately arrested. where I was ultimately arrested.
1185 00:58:43,750 00:58:48,166 The Americans came to pick me up five months later, The Americans came to pick me up five months later,
1186 00:58:48,166 00:58:49,625 changed me into the orange jumpsuit, changed me into the orange jumpsuit,
1187 00:58:49,625 00:58:54,125 strapped the earplugs in, blinded -- strapped the earplugs in, blinded --
1188 00:58:54,125 00:58:55,750 like the Guantanamo images like the Guantanamo images
1189 00:58:55,750 00:58:57,792 I used to use to promote the idea I used to use to promote the idea
1190 00:58:57,792 00:58:58,834 that America was at war with Islam. that America was at war with Islam.
1191 00:58:58,834 00:59:01,834 So my own conspiratorial views start to creep in. So my own conspiratorial views start to creep in.
1192 00:59:01,834 00:59:04,542 "Oh, my God, they're taking me to a secret prison." "Oh, my God, they're taking me to a secret prison."
1193 00:59:06,750 00:59:08,250 All of a sudden, the earplugs come out and he says, All of a sudden, the earplugs come out and he says,
1194 00:59:08,250 00:59:09,875 "I just want to know, "I just want to know,
1195 00:59:09,875 00:59:13,291 do you prefer to be called Younus Abdullah Muhammad, do you prefer to be called Younus Abdullah Muhammad,
1196 00:59:13,291 00:59:15,792 or do you want to be called Jesse Morton?" or do you want to be called Jesse Morton?"
1197 00:59:15,792 00:59:18,417 And sort of, I didn't even think about it. And sort of, I didn't even think about it.
1198 00:59:18,417 00:59:21,125 I just said, "Jesse Morton." I just said, "Jesse Morton."
1199 00:59:21,125 00:59:23,875 I wasn't going to Bagram or Guantanamo. I wasn't going to Bagram or Guantanamo.
1200 00:59:23,875 00:59:26,417 I was being treated like a human being. I was being treated like a human being.
1201 00:59:28,542 00:59:31,208 So, I'm facing life in prison. So, I'm facing life in prison.
1202 00:59:31,208 00:59:33,875 I ask to go to the law library. I ask to go to the law library.
1203 00:59:33,875 00:59:35,834 Originally, I intended to research my case Originally, I intended to research my case
1204 00:59:35,834 00:59:37,667 and to get out of the trouble I was in. and to get out of the trouble I was in.
1205 00:59:37,667 00:59:39,834 Soon, it became apparent that there was no way Soon, it became apparent that there was no way
1206 00:59:39,834 00:59:40,667 to get out of the trouble that I was in. to get out of the trouble that I was in.
1207 00:59:40,667 00:59:43,000 But I came across this collection But I came across this collection
1208 00:59:43,000 00:59:44,708 called the Encyclopedia Britannica's called the Encyclopedia Britannica's
1209 00:59:44,708 00:59:47,000 "Great Books of the Western World." "Great Books of the Western World."
1210 00:59:47,000 00:59:49,291 And I started to read selected works And I started to read selected works
1211 00:59:49,291 00:59:51,250 from the era of the Enlightenment. from the era of the Enlightenment.
1212 00:59:51,250 00:59:53,250 And I realized that freedom is something And I realized that freedom is something
1213 00:59:53,250 00:59:55,583 that every individual yearns for inside that every individual yearns for inside
1214 00:59:55,583 00:59:58,625 and that these are principles that I myself believed in, and that these are principles that I myself believed in,
1215 00:59:58,625 01:00:01,333 but allowed totalitarian interpretations of Islam but allowed totalitarian interpretations of Islam
1216 01:00:01,333 01:00:04,917 to sort of destroy. to sort of destroy.
1217 01:00:04,917 01:00:07,959 That woke me up. That woke me up.
1218 01:00:07,959 01:00:11,625 And that was the start of my de-radicalization. And that was the start of my de-radicalization.
1219 01:00:14,750 01:00:17,250 Shreiber: Others, however, continued to be radicalized Shreiber: Others, however, continued to be radicalized
1220 01:00:17,250 01:00:19,375 by Awlaki's lectures online. by Awlaki's lectures online.
1221 01:00:20,750 01:00:24,500 Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab,
1222 01:00:24,500 01:00:26,500 the son of a wealthy banker, the son of a wealthy banker,
1223 01:00:26,500 01:00:29,834 was studying in London when he first discovered Awlaki. was studying in London when he first discovered Awlaki.
1224 01:00:32,458 01:00:33,792 Four years later, at the age of 23, Four years later, at the age of 23,
1225 01:00:33,792 01:00:37,208 Abdulmutallab transferred his studies to Yemen Abdulmutallab transferred his studies to Yemen
1226 01:00:37,208 01:00:40,208 to meet Awlaki and participate in jihad. to meet Awlaki and participate in jihad.
1227 01:00:43,417 01:00:46,125 When asked to consider a martyrdom mission, When asked to consider a martyrdom mission,
1228 01:00:46,125 01:00:47,667 Awlaki's latest recruit Awlaki's latest recruit
1229 01:00:47,667 01:00:50,041 was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice.
1230 01:00:51,959 01:00:55,083 [ Speaking Arabic ] [ Speaking Arabic ]
1231 01:00:55,083 01:00:56,000 Awlaki coached Abdulmutallab Awlaki coached Abdulmutallab
1232 01:00:56,000 01:00:57,917 in the making of his martyrdom video. in the making of his martyrdom video.
1233 01:01:13,000 01:01:15,792 Awlaki's final instructions -- Awlaki's final instructions --
1234 01:01:15,792 01:01:20,500 "Wait until you are in the U.S., then bring the plane down." "Wait until you are in the U.S., then bring the plane down."
1235 01:01:22,708 01:01:26,667 Northwest Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers, Northwest Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers,
1236 01:01:26,667 01:01:28,667 was about to touch down in Detroit, was about to touch down in Detroit,
1237 01:01:28,667 01:01:31,041 when chaos broke out on board. when chaos broke out on board.
1238 01:01:31,041 01:01:32,333 We heard a loud pop. We heard a loud pop.
1239 01:01:32,333 01:01:34,583 And then we looked back, And then we looked back,
1240 01:01:34,583 01:01:37,250 there was some fumes and some flames. there was some fumes and some flames.
1241 01:01:37,250 01:01:38,792 I heard, "The bags were on fire." I heard, "The bags were on fire."
1242 01:01:41,125 01:01:43,583 Shreiber: Abdulmutallab evaded security Shreiber: Abdulmutallab evaded security
1243 01:01:43,583 01:01:46,875 by concealing a unique powdered explosive in his underwear. by concealing a unique powdered explosive in his underwear.
1244 01:01:48,583 01:01:52,333 A U.S. government test showed what could have happened A U.S. government test showed what could have happened
1245 01:01:52,333 01:01:55,166 had the explosives detonated on board. had the explosives detonated on board.
1246 01:01:56,291 01:01:58,875 It was only a technical issue with the device It was only a technical issue with the device
1247 01:01:58,875 01:02:01,041 that saved the flight from total destruction. that saved the flight from total destruction.
1248 01:02:01,041 01:02:05,250 However, our brother Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab However, our brother Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab
1249 01:02:05,250 01:02:08,375 has succeeded in breaking through the security systems has succeeded in breaking through the security systems
1250 01:02:08,375 01:02:09,583 that have cost the U.S. government alone that have cost the U.S. government alone
1251 01:02:09,583 01:02:13,542 over $40 billion since 9/11. over $40 billion since 9/11.
1252 01:02:13,542 01:02:16,041 You are still unsafe, You are still unsafe,
1253 01:02:16,041 01:02:19,041 even in the holiest and most sacred of days to you -- even in the holiest and most sacred of days to you --
1254 01:02:19,041 01:02:20,041 Christmas Day. Christmas Day.
1255 01:02:20,041 01:02:24,708 The U.S. passenger-plane plot had failed, The U.S. passenger-plane plot had failed,
1256 01:02:24,708 01:02:28,542 but Awlaki was already planning his next operation. but Awlaki was already planning his next operation.
1257 01:02:28,542 01:02:31,542 This time, bombs would be planted inside printer boxes This time, bombs would be planted inside printer boxes
1258 01:02:31,542 01:02:34,250 to be shipped via cargo planes. to be shipped via cargo planes.
1259 01:02:34,250 01:02:38,667 Once over U.S. soil, the bombs would be detonated. Once over U.S. soil, the bombs would be detonated.
1260 01:02:38,667 01:02:40,834 But after a tip-off, the packages were intercepted But after a tip-off, the packages were intercepted
1261 01:02:40,834 01:02:45,542 at airports in the U.K. and Dubai. at airports in the U.K. and Dubai.
1262 01:02:45,542 01:02:47,750 Berger: When they did the UPS bombing, Berger: When they did the UPS bombing,
1263 01:02:47,750 01:02:50,333 they printed a special edition of Inspire, saying, they printed a special edition of Inspire, saying,
1264 01:02:50,333 01:02:51,417 "Look, we only spent a couple thousand dollars "Look, we only spent a couple thousand dollars
1265 01:02:51,417 01:02:52,959 on this thing, on this thing,
1266 01:02:52,959 01:02:56,792 and we paralyzed half of the Western security system and we paralyzed half of the Western security system
1267 01:02:56,792 01:02:58,750 as a result." as a result."
1268 01:02:58,750 01:03:01,375 Schmidt: This attack elevated Awlaki's status Schmidt: This attack elevated Awlaki's status
1269 01:03:01,375 01:03:06,166 to the highest level of concern by the United States. to the highest level of concern by the United States.
1270 01:03:06,166 01:03:07,750 Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen
1271 01:03:07,750 01:03:10,917 to be put on a kill list by the President. to be put on a kill list by the President.
1272 01:03:17,625 01:03:20,959 Man: 3-0-1 ready to go. Man: 3-0-1 ready to go.
1273 01:03:20,959 01:03:25,333 Obama: Anwar Awlaki, the chief of external operations for AQAP. Obama: Anwar Awlaki, the chief of external operations for AQAP.
1274 01:03:26,625 01:03:29,166 He helped oversee the 2010 plot He helped oversee the 2010 plot
1275 01:03:29,166 01:03:33,208 to detonate explosive devices on two U.S.-bound cargo planes. to detonate explosive devices on two U.S.-bound cargo planes.
1276 01:03:34,959 01:03:39,208 He was involved in planning to blow up an airliner in 2009. He was involved in planning to blow up an airliner in 2009.
1277 01:03:41,333 01:03:44,375 Berger: The decision to kill Awlaki, as an American citizen, Berger: The decision to kill Awlaki, as an American citizen,
1278 01:03:44,375 01:03:49,458 does raise complications, but you have to do something. does raise complications, but you have to do something.
1279 01:03:49,458 01:03:52,458 What you do is the question. What you do is the question.
1280 01:03:52,458 01:03:55,291 I got good range, good limits on him. I got good range, good limits on him.
1281 01:03:55,291 01:03:56,667 Declare fire. Declare fire.
1282 01:03:56,667 01:03:59,625 Good impact. Break away. Good impact. Break away.
1283 01:04:00,959 01:04:03,333 Shreiber: The U.S.-ordered drone strike that killed Awlaki Shreiber: The U.S.-ordered drone strike that killed Awlaki
1284 01:04:03,333 01:04:05,500 also killed three others, also killed three others,
1285 01:04:05,500 01:04:07,708 including fellow American Samir Khan. including fellow American Samir Khan.
1286 01:04:07,708 01:04:10,041 [ Men chanting in Arabic ] [ Men chanting in Arabic ]
1287 01:04:10,041 01:04:13,166 The problem here is that the U.S. has done something The problem here is that the U.S. has done something
1288 01:04:13,166 01:04:15,333 that I don't think it has ever done before. that I don't think it has ever done before.
1289 01:04:15,333 01:04:17,208 It has killed one of its citizens, It has killed one of its citizens,
1290 01:04:17,208 01:04:18,792 somewhere else around the world, somewhere else around the world,
1291 01:04:18,792 01:04:21,333 without any due process at all. without any due process at all.
1292 01:04:21,333 01:04:24,458 I've got real concerns about it because it sets a precedent. I've got real concerns about it because it sets a precedent.
1293 01:04:24,458 01:04:26,667 Reporter: Two weeks after his father was killed Reporter: Two weeks after his father was killed
1294 01:04:26,667 01:04:28,166 in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen, in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen,
1295 01:04:28,166 01:04:29,458 the younger al-Awlaki the younger al-Awlaki
1296 01:04:29,458 01:04:31,166 was also killed by a drone there. was also killed by a drone there.
1297 01:04:31,166 01:04:34,083 It's not known whether he was targeted in that attack. It's not known whether he was targeted in that attack.
1298 01:04:34,083 01:04:34,834 Reporter: He was 16 years old, Reporter: He was 16 years old,
1299 01:04:34,834 01:04:37,166 and there is no public evidence and there is no public evidence
1300 01:04:37,166 01:04:40,291 he was a member of the al-Qaeda network in Yemen. he was a member of the al-Qaeda network in Yemen.
1301 01:04:42,542 01:04:44,792 Fishman: Awlaki was not the most senior figure Fishman: Awlaki was not the most senior figure
1302 01:04:44,792 01:04:45,542 in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
1303 01:04:45,542 01:04:48,083 AQAP will go on. AQAP will go on.
1304 01:04:48,083 01:04:48,875 I think we've missed an opportunity I think we've missed an opportunity
1305 01:04:48,875 01:04:51,875 to do more than just kill him, to do more than just kill him,
1306 01:04:51,875 01:04:54,625 but to discredit the ideas that he pushed for years. but to discredit the ideas that he pushed for years.
1307 01:04:54,625 01:04:57,166 We killed the messenger, We killed the messenger,
1308 01:04:57,166 01:04:59,291 but we did not kill the message. but we did not kill the message.
1309 01:05:05,208 01:05:07,417 [ Train whistle blares ] [ Train whistle blares ]
1310 01:05:14,667 01:05:16,792 Kensky: It was a beautiful day. The sun was out. Kensky: It was a beautiful day. The sun was out.
1311 01:05:16,792 01:05:19,750 People laughing and cheering. People laughing and cheering.
1312 01:05:22,125 01:05:25,000 Downes: We wanted to be there at the finish line, Downes: We wanted to be there at the finish line,
1313 01:05:25,000 01:05:27,125 even though we didn't have any specific person even though we didn't have any specific person
1314 01:05:27,125 01:05:28,959 who we were looking for. who we were looking for.
1315 01:05:28,959 01:05:31,625 It was about being there as a part of the city. It was about being there as a part of the city.
1316 01:05:31,625 01:05:34,542 [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ]
1317 01:05:45,000 01:05:47,291 Woman: Something just blew up! Woman: Something just blew up!
1318 01:05:47,291 01:05:50,291 All of a sudden, it just felt like we were on a rocket. All of a sudden, it just felt like we were on a rocket.
1319 01:05:50,291 01:05:54,041 And we shot up together and landed next to each other. And we shot up together and landed next to each other.
1320 01:05:54,041 01:05:56,583 [ People screaming ] [ People screaming ]
1321 01:06:00,917 01:06:03,250 There was smoke everywhere and people screaming There was smoke everywhere and people screaming
1322 01:06:03,250 01:06:05,125 and a lot of chaos. and a lot of chaos.
1323 01:06:11,166 01:06:15,083 Shreiber: The Boston Marathon bombing killed three Shreiber: The Boston Marathon bombing killed three
1324 01:06:15,083 01:06:16,959 and injured hundreds of others, and injured hundreds of others,
1325 01:06:16,959 01:06:21,417 17 of whom, including Jess and Patrick, lost limbs. 17 of whom, including Jess and Patrick, lost limbs.
1326 01:06:21,917 01:06:24,291 [ Horns blaring ] [ Horns blaring ]
1327 01:06:24,291 01:06:26,959 Get back! Get back!
1328 01:06:26,959 01:06:28,750 Morton: I was in prison when Boston happened. Morton: I was in prison when Boston happened.
1329 01:06:28,750 01:06:31,625 And I was numb. And I was numb.
1330 01:06:31,625 01:06:35,542 I was, like, shaking, especially when it came out I was, like, shaking, especially when it came out
1331 01:06:35,542 01:06:37,708 that the bombs used in the attack that the bombs used in the attack
1332 01:06:37,708 01:06:41,417 were built upon the article inside of the magazine were built upon the article inside of the magazine
1333 01:06:41,417 01:06:43,125 that I essentially laid a template for that I essentially laid a template for
1334 01:06:43,125 01:06:45,875 with Samir Khan and Anwar al-Awlaki. with Samir Khan and Anwar al-Awlaki.
1335 01:06:49,291 01:06:50,333 [ Horn honks, sirens wail ] [ Horn honks, sirens wail ]
1336 01:06:50,333 01:06:54,500 It's almost like being insane and coming to. It's almost like being insane and coming to.
1337 01:06:54,500 01:06:58,458 You see the consequences of ideas in the real world, You see the consequences of ideas in the real world,
1338 01:06:58,458 01:07:00,500 and it's catastrophic. and it's catastrophic.
1339 01:07:00,500 01:07:02,959 [ Indistinct shouting ] [ Indistinct shouting ]
1340 01:07:02,959 01:07:08,834 Miller: An attack on a live, televised, iconic American event -- Miller: An attack on a live, televised, iconic American event --
1341 01:07:08,834 01:07:11,542 that shakes America's soul to the core. that shakes America's soul to the core.
1342 01:07:13,041 01:07:15,166 And the question is, "Who did this? And the question is, "Who did this?
1343 01:07:15,166 01:07:18,542 And who sent them? And who ordered it?" And who sent them? And who ordered it?"
1344 01:07:18,542 01:07:22,000 And the answer is, "Nobody sent them." And the answer is, "Nobody sent them."
1345 01:07:22,000 01:07:24,625 You know, they drank the Kool-Aid on the computer. You know, they drank the Kool-Aid on the computer.
1346 01:07:27,041 01:07:28,875 Berger: The two brothers -- Berger: The two brothers --
1347 01:07:28,875 01:07:31,750 Tamerlan and the younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- Tamerlan and the younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev --
1348 01:07:31,750 01:07:33,208 one was an American citizen, one was an American citizen,
1349 01:07:33,208 01:07:34,458 the other one was a legal permanent resident. the other one was a legal permanent resident.
1350 01:07:34,458 01:07:38,041 They'd been in this country since they were children. They'd been in this country since they were children.
1351 01:07:38,041 01:07:39,708 They radicalized here in the United States. They radicalized here in the United States.
1352 01:07:39,708 01:07:42,708 They didn't radicalize elsewhere. They didn't radicalize elsewhere.
1353 01:07:42,708 01:07:45,208 The perpetrators of this crime The perpetrators of this crime
1354 01:07:45,208 01:07:47,708 lived a mile from our front door. lived a mile from our front door.
1355 01:07:47,708 01:07:49,875 They both attended high school where my -- They both attended high school where my --
1356 01:07:49,875 01:07:52,375 Patrick's parents met. Patrick's parents met.
1357 01:07:52,375 01:07:54,166 Reporter: A teacher who knew him Reporter: A teacher who knew him
1358 01:07:54,166 01:07:56,875 at Rindge and Latin High School in Cambridge was stunned. at Rindge and Latin High School in Cambridge was stunned.
1359 01:07:56,875 01:07:58,291 There's nothing about him There's nothing about him
1360 01:07:58,291 01:08:00,291 that would suggest anything like this -- that would suggest anything like this --
1361 01:08:00,291 01:08:03,333 politics, religion, nothing. politics, religion, nothing.
1362 01:08:03,333 01:08:05,291 These weren't outsiders. These weren't outsiders.
1363 01:08:05,291 01:08:07,458 We were members of the same community. We were members of the same community.
1364 01:08:07,458 01:08:10,625 So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. So it's even more confusing and harder to understand.
1365 01:08:12,291 01:08:14,708 Miller: If you look at Tamerlan Tsarnaev, Miller: If you look at Tamerlan Tsarnaev,
1366 01:08:14,708 01:08:17,875 here's a kid who comes to America from Chechnya. here's a kid who comes to America from Chechnya.
1367 01:08:17,875 01:08:21,083 He wants to get girls and money and things, He wants to get girls and money and things,
1368 01:08:21,083 01:08:24,250 be on the U.S. Olympic boxing team. be on the U.S. Olympic boxing team.
1369 01:08:24,250 01:08:25,208 They changed the rule. They changed the rule.
1370 01:08:25,208 01:08:27,083 "You're a legal permanent resident, "You're a legal permanent resident,
1371 01:08:27,083 01:08:30,041 but not a U.S. citizen, you're off." but not a U.S. citizen, you're off."
1372 01:08:30,041 01:08:32,959 Soufan: That, I believe, created identity problems for him. Soufan: That, I believe, created identity problems for him.
1373 01:08:32,959 01:08:36,792 He became very angry, very mad. He became very angry, very mad.
1374 01:08:36,792 01:08:38,500 He went to the Internet. He went to the Internet.
1375 01:08:38,500 01:08:41,583 In the Internet, he found already established conflicts In the Internet, he found already established conflicts
1376 01:08:41,583 01:08:43,125 that he can relate to. that he can relate to.
1377 01:08:43,125 01:08:46,041 It's the war in Chechnya. It's the war in Chechnya.
1378 01:08:46,041 01:08:48,792 He stumbled into people like Anwar al-Awlaki He stumbled into people like Anwar al-Awlaki
1379 01:08:48,792 01:08:51,125 and his fiery sermons. and his fiery sermons.
1380 01:08:51,125 01:08:54,166 And then, suddenly, he decides And then, suddenly, he decides
1381 01:08:54,166 01:08:55,959 that he is not accepted in America. that he is not accepted in America.
1382 01:08:55,959 01:08:58,250 He is not an American, he is a Muslim, He is not an American, he is a Muslim,
1383 01:08:58,250 01:09:00,458 and he has to fight for Islam. and he has to fight for Islam.
1384 01:09:01,708 01:09:04,917 Berger: Tamerlan Tsarnaev really saw himself as a heroic figure Berger: Tamerlan Tsarnaev really saw himself as a heroic figure
1385 01:09:04,917 01:09:08,208 whose dreams of Olympic-level glory faded over time. whose dreams of Olympic-level glory faded over time.
1386 01:09:09,708 01:09:11,250 The Boston Marathon attack was a way The Boston Marathon attack was a way
1387 01:09:11,250 01:09:12,083 to turn himself once again to turn himself once again
1388 01:09:12,083 01:09:15,917 into the hero of his own story. into the hero of his own story.
1389 01:09:15,917 01:09:19,166 The younger brother, Dzhokhar, was not an observant Muslim. The younger brother, Dzhokhar, was not an observant Muslim.
1390 01:09:19,166 01:09:21,000 He was smoking marijuana He was smoking marijuana
1391 01:09:21,000 01:09:23,083 and chasing girls and drinking. and chasing girls and drinking.
1392 01:09:23,083 01:09:25,041 For him, I think it was the influence For him, I think it was the influence
1393 01:09:25,041 01:09:27,375 of his older brother and Anwar Awlaki. of his older brother and Anwar Awlaki.
1394 01:09:30,166 01:09:31,333 Shreiber: A month before the attack, Shreiber: A month before the attack,
1395 01:09:31,333 01:09:35,125 Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tweeted about Awlaki. Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tweeted about Awlaki.
1396 01:09:38,125 01:09:40,667 Miller: So, they watch Anwar al-Awlaki's videos, Miller: So, they watch Anwar al-Awlaki's videos,
1397 01:09:40,667 01:09:43,333 and they got inspiration from those. and they got inspiration from those.
1398 01:09:43,333 01:09:45,875 But there's no sign that they communicated back, But there's no sign that they communicated back,
1399 01:09:45,875 01:09:49,583 in a two-way street, with any terrorist organization. in a two-way street, with any terrorist organization.
1400 01:09:49,583 01:09:51,166 Now, a lot of people will go back on that and say, Now, a lot of people will go back on that and say,
1401 01:09:51,166 01:09:53,834 "Well, the Russians tipped the FBI, "Well, the Russians tipped the FBI,
1402 01:09:53,834 01:09:55,500 and the FBI looked at them." and the FBI looked at them."
1403 01:09:55,500 01:09:58,792 Shreiber: Two years prior to the Marathon bombing, Shreiber: Two years prior to the Marathon bombing,
1404 01:09:58,792 01:10:01,125 Russian intelligence sent a tip to the FBI Russian intelligence sent a tip to the FBI
1405 01:10:01,125 01:10:02,250 about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, about Tamerlan Tsarnaev,
1406 01:10:02,250 01:10:06,583 citing possible ties to violent extremists. citing possible ties to violent extremists.
1407 01:10:09,166 01:10:12,667 Miller: The FBI can open a preliminary investigation Miller: The FBI can open a preliminary investigation
1408 01:10:12,667 01:10:15,083 that basically says, "We got a tip on this person," that basically says, "We got a tip on this person,"
1409 01:10:15,083 01:10:16,625 and they can run that for 90 days. and they can run that for 90 days.
1410 01:10:16,625 01:10:20,792 But at the end of the day, if you haven't found grist But at the end of the day, if you haven't found grist
1411 01:10:20,792 01:10:24,542 for that initial allegation, then you have to close it. for that initial allegation, then you have to close it.
1412 01:10:25,917 01:10:29,291 Berger: The problem is, you can't watch everybody all the time. Berger: The problem is, you can't watch everybody all the time.
1413 01:10:30,792 01:10:33,417 An FBI surveillance team surveil one person for a week. An FBI surveillance team surveil one person for a week.
1414 01:10:33,417 01:10:35,041 It takes a team of like a dozen people It takes a team of like a dozen people
1415 01:10:35,041 01:10:38,708 working around the clock. working around the clock.
1416 01:10:38,708 01:10:40,166 Some of these cases Some of these cases
1417 01:10:40,166 01:10:41,375 are always going to slip through the cracks. are always going to slip through the cracks.
1418 01:10:43,792 01:10:44,917 There's no such thing as a perfect system There's no such thing as a perfect system
1419 01:10:44,917 01:10:46,417 for catching them all. for catching them all.
1420 01:10:48,708 01:10:52,375 Miller: If the conspiracy was just between two brothers, Miller: If the conspiracy was just between two brothers,
1421 01:10:52,375 01:10:55,500 your ability to get in front of that plot is very challenged. your ability to get in front of that plot is very challenged.
1422 01:10:56,500 01:11:01,166 So, gone is the complex terrorist organization So, gone is the complex terrorist organization
1423 01:11:01,166 01:11:03,542 with hierarchical command and control. with hierarchical command and control.
1424 01:11:03,542 01:11:06,041 You're seeing lower-scale attacks, You're seeing lower-scale attacks,
1425 01:11:06,041 01:11:08,917 lower levels of casualties, lower levels of casualties,
1426 01:11:08,917 01:11:12,125 but the psychological effects are still there. but the psychological effects are still there.
1427 01:11:14,291 01:11:17,250 America suffers the PTSD of 9/11, America suffers the PTSD of 9/11,
1428 01:11:17,250 01:11:20,291 which, in turn, magnifies the impact which, in turn, magnifies the impact
1429 01:11:20,291 01:11:22,667 of all these events, large or small. of all these events, large or small.
1430 01:11:30,291 01:11:32,375 Morton: I was awaiting my sentencing hearing. Morton: I was awaiting my sentencing hearing.
1431 01:11:34,333 01:11:35,708 I'm sitting in my cell, I'm sitting in my cell,
1432 01:11:35,708 01:11:38,250 and one of the inmates, a young man, and one of the inmates, a young man,
1433 01:11:38,250 01:11:40,208 tells me that he was thwarted in his efforts tells me that he was thwarted in his efforts
1434 01:11:40,208 01:11:42,542 to conduct a terrorist attack, to conduct a terrorist attack,
1435 01:11:42,542 01:11:45,166 and he tells me about people on the outside and he tells me about people on the outside
1436 01:11:45,166 01:11:46,500 that he left further plans with. that he left further plans with.
1437 01:11:49,125 01:11:52,417 Me and the FBI are developing a relationship, Me and the FBI are developing a relationship,
1438 01:11:52,417 01:11:53,333 and so I tell them. and so I tell them.
1439 01:11:53,333 01:11:56,000 They need confirmation of the plot. They need confirmation of the plot.
1440 01:11:56,000 01:11:57,458 Long story short, Long story short,
1441 01:11:57,458 01:12:00,750 that was the very first piece of cooperation. that was the very first piece of cooperation.
1442 01:12:00,750 01:12:02,625 That relationship with the FBI continued, That relationship with the FBI continued,
1443 01:12:02,625 01:12:06,291 and that was major part of my further de-radicalization. and that was major part of my further de-radicalization.
1444 01:12:10,458 01:12:13,000 I really can't comment on any specifics. I really can't comment on any specifics.
1445 01:12:13,000 01:12:16,333 I can say that my cooperation yielded significant gains. I can say that my cooperation yielded significant gains.
1446 01:12:16,333 01:12:19,166 Some of you might remember me, Some of you might remember me,
1447 01:12:19,166 01:12:21,125 and others of you don't know who I am. and others of you don't know who I am.
1448 01:12:21,125 01:12:23,500 But I'm the former emir of Revolution Muslim. But I'm the former emir of Revolution Muslim.
1449 01:12:23,500 01:12:25,959 Shreiber: In exchange for his cooperation, Shreiber: In exchange for his cooperation,
1450 01:12:25,959 01:12:28,208 Jesse was released after serving less than 3 years Jesse was released after serving less than 3 years
1451 01:12:28,208 01:12:31,000 of his 11 1/2-year sentence. of his 11 1/2-year sentence.
1452 01:12:31,000 01:12:32,750 I was extradited from Morocco. I was extradited from Morocco.
1453 01:12:32,750 01:12:34,458 Shreiber: Jesse also agreed to re-embed himself Shreiber: Jesse also agreed to re-embed himself
1454 01:12:34,458 01:12:37,542 as an undercover informant for the FBI. as an undercover informant for the FBI.
1455 01:12:37,542 01:12:41,792 He recorded this video and posted it online. He recorded this video and posted it online.
1456 01:12:41,792 01:12:44,500 Nobody would have ever believed that Younus Abdullah Muhammad Nobody would have ever believed that Younus Abdullah Muhammad
1457 01:12:44,500 01:12:47,041 would have de-radicalized, or that Younus Abdullah Muhammad would have de-radicalized, or that Younus Abdullah Muhammad
1458 01:12:47,041 01:12:48,500 would have cooperated with police. would have cooperated with police.
1459 01:12:48,500 01:12:50,417 The world is a very different place, The world is a very different place,
1460 01:12:50,417 01:12:51,250 but I'm hoping that some of you but I'm hoping that some of you
1461 01:12:51,250 01:12:53,750 might be courageous enough might be courageous enough
1462 01:12:53,750 01:12:55,708 to welcome me back to it. to welcome me back to it.
1463 01:12:55,708 01:12:57,750 All the old buddies reached out -- All the old buddies reached out --
1464 01:12:57,750 01:13:00,166 everybody that I had previous contact with -- everybody that I had previous contact with --
1465 01:13:00,166 01:13:01,917 and I re-embedded myself in a network and I re-embedded myself in a network
1466 01:13:01,917 01:13:07,458 that I really saw had become much more serious that I really saw had become much more serious
1467 01:13:07,458 01:13:10,000 than before I went to prison. than before I went to prison.
1468 01:13:16,041 01:13:19,166 ISIS is a metastasization of al-Qaeda. ISIS is a metastasization of al-Qaeda.
1469 01:13:19,166 01:13:22,375 Essentially, the ideology is the same. Essentially, the ideology is the same.
1470 01:13:22,375 01:13:24,917 But the reason that ISIS is so effective in radicalizing But the reason that ISIS is so effective in radicalizing
1471 01:13:24,917 01:13:27,333 and promoting terrorism in Western countries and promoting terrorism in Western countries
1472 01:13:27,333 01:13:29,375 is because they've established something al-Qaeda never could, is because they've established something al-Qaeda never could,
1473 01:13:29,375 01:13:33,500 and that is the Khilafah, the Caliphate. and that is the Khilafah, the Caliphate.
1474 01:13:43,667 01:13:46,000 Miller: ISIS was al-Qaeda of Iraq. Miller: ISIS was al-Qaeda of Iraq.
1475 01:13:46,000 01:13:48,291 And they said, "Syria is a jump ball. And they said, "Syria is a jump ball.
1476 01:13:48,291 01:13:49,959 That's free real estate. That's free real estate.
1477 01:13:49,959 01:13:52,625 Let's grab our piece of it. We'll plant the flag. Let's grab our piece of it. We'll plant the flag.
1478 01:13:52,625 01:13:55,083 We'll call it the Islamic State." We'll call it the Islamic State."
1479 01:13:55,083 01:13:59,083 Man: This is our Khilafah in all its glory, Man: This is our Khilafah in all its glory,
1480 01:13:59,083 01:14:00,792 remaining and expanding. remaining and expanding.
1481 01:14:00,792 01:14:02,458 Hitchens: Therefore, what you're doing, Hitchens: Therefore, what you're doing,
1482 01:14:02,458 01:14:03,166 the violence you're perpetrating, the violence you're perpetrating,
1483 01:14:03,166 01:14:04,667 is actually the positive. is actually the positive.
1484 01:14:04,667 01:14:08,250 It is the preservation of the Caliphate itself. It is the preservation of the Caliphate itself.
1485 01:14:14,750 01:14:17,750 Berger: You know, the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge Berger: You know, the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge
1486 01:14:17,750 01:14:20,917 went to great lengths to hide their war crimes. went to great lengths to hide their war crimes.
1487 01:14:20,917 01:14:25,208 ISIS has broadcast them for everybody to see. ISIS has broadcast them for everybody to see.
1488 01:14:25,208 01:14:28,291 Miller: It's run as terrorism mass marketing Miller: It's run as terrorism mass marketing
1489 01:14:28,291 01:14:30,917 through social media. through social media.
1490 01:14:30,917 01:14:32,875 Berger: ISIS has built its recruitment success Berger: ISIS has built its recruitment success
1491 01:14:32,875 01:14:36,959 on its ability to project an image of military success. on its ability to project an image of military success.
1492 01:14:36,959 01:14:39,125 Fire! Fire!
1493 01:14:39,125 01:14:40,875 What we're seeing is that What we're seeing is that
1494 01:14:40,875 01:14:44,542 as they are less able to claim that success, as they are less able to claim that success,
1495 01:14:44,542 01:14:46,291 as they lose on the ground, as they lose on the ground,
1496 01:14:46,291 01:14:49,792 some of their appeal is also going away. some of their appeal is also going away.
1497 01:14:49,792 01:14:51,875 [ Men speaking Arabic ] [ Men speaking Arabic ]
1498 01:14:51,875 01:14:53,708 ISIS' first priority was get people ISIS' first priority was get people
1499 01:14:53,708 01:14:56,500 to travel to join them in Iraq and Syria. to travel to join them in Iraq and Syria.
1500 01:14:56,500 01:14:57,917 They no longer urge that. They no longer urge that.
1501 01:14:57,917 01:14:59,667 They want people to stay and attack in place, They want people to stay and attack in place,
1502 01:14:59,667 01:15:01,792 because there is no pragmatic way for them because there is no pragmatic way for them
1503 01:15:01,792 01:15:04,291 to get them over the border, get them into place. to get them over the border, get them into place.
1504 01:15:04,291 01:15:08,708 You have two choices -- either hijra or jihad. You have two choices -- either hijra or jihad.
1505 01:15:08,708 01:15:10,583 You either leave or you fight. You either leave or you fight.
1506 01:15:10,583 01:15:13,500 Berger: ISIS has adopted Awlaki. Berger: ISIS has adopted Awlaki.
1507 01:15:13,500 01:15:15,500 So he is as much an influence for them So he is as much an influence for them
1508 01:15:15,500 01:15:16,500 as he is for al-Qaeda at this point. as he is for al-Qaeda at this point.
1509 01:15:16,500 01:15:19,000 "If you can't fight the enemy here, "If you can't fight the enemy here,
1510 01:15:19,000 01:15:20,333 fight it where you are, fight it where you are,
1511 01:15:20,333 01:15:22,750 whether that's New York, Chicago, L.A., whether that's New York, Chicago, L.A.,
1512 01:15:22,750 01:15:24,667 or Orlando, Florida." or Orlando, Florida."
1513 01:15:29,333 01:15:32,166 Shreiber: Born in New York, Omar Mateen moved to Florida Shreiber: Born in New York, Omar Mateen moved to Florida
1514 01:15:32,166 01:15:34,125 with his family at a young age. with his family at a young age.
1515 01:15:36,166 01:15:38,000 Mateen's school years were checkered Mateen's school years were checkered
1516 01:15:38,000 01:15:41,000 with fights and expulsions. with fights and expulsions.
1517 01:15:41,000 01:15:42,166 It was a pattern of behavior It was a pattern of behavior
1518 01:15:42,166 01:15:46,041 that would follow him to his job as a security officer. that would follow him to his job as a security officer.
1519 01:15:48,750 01:15:51,041 When his second marriage produced a son, When his second marriage produced a son,
1520 01:15:51,041 01:15:53,583 Mateen appeared to be settling down. Mateen appeared to be settling down.
1521 01:15:54,959 01:15:57,333 But something he said at his local mosque But something he said at his local mosque
1522 01:15:57,333 01:15:59,667 led a fellow worshiper to call the FBI. led a fellow worshiper to call the FBI.
1523 01:16:08,792 01:16:12,834 Based on the tip, the FBI interviewed Mateen. Based on the tip, the FBI interviewed Mateen.
1524 01:16:12,834 01:16:16,083 But the field officer assigned to the case But the field officer assigned to the case
1525 01:16:16,083 01:16:19,500 concluded that Mateen was not a terrorist. concluded that Mateen was not a terrorist.
1526 01:16:19,500 01:16:20,792 "I don't believe he will go postal." "I don't believe he will go postal."
1527 01:16:25,208 01:16:26,208 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
1528 01:16:26,208 01:16:27,208 [ Gunshots ] [ Gunshots ]
1529 01:16:27,208 01:16:29,750 Officer: Gunfire, gunfire! Gunfire, gunfire! Officer: Gunfire, gunfire! Gunfire, gunfire!
1530 01:16:29,750 01:16:32,708 [ Sirens wail ] [ Sirens wail ]
1531 01:16:32,708 01:16:35,417 Position of cover. Position of cover.
1532 01:16:35,417 01:16:36,542 [ Phone rings ] [ Phone rings ]
1533 01:16:48,458 01:16:53,083 Soufan: Mateen is an individual who wanted to be a policeman. Soufan: Mateen is an individual who wanted to be a policeman.
1534 01:16:53,083 01:16:54,708 Because of psychological testings, Because of psychological testings,
1535 01:16:54,708 01:16:57,792 he was not able to be a policeman. he was not able to be a policeman.
1536 01:16:57,792 01:17:02,750 That triggered him to go on a totally different path. That triggered him to go on a totally different path.
1537 01:17:12,333 01:17:14,458 [ Sirens wail ] [ Sirens wail ]
1538 01:17:14,458 01:17:19,000 In Orlando, 49 were killed and 53 others were wounded. In Orlando, 49 were killed and 53 others were wounded.
1539 01:17:20,500 01:17:22,458 It was the deadliest mass shooting It was the deadliest mass shooting
1540 01:17:22,458 01:17:24,792 by a single shooter in U.S. history. by a single shooter in U.S. history.
1541 01:17:25,792 01:17:29,250 Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Khilafah, Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Khilafah,
1542 01:17:29,250 01:17:32,208 was one of the few that was truthful to his Lord. was one of the few that was truthful to his Lord.
1543 01:17:32,208 01:17:34,917 ISIS is very happy to take advantage of that ISIS is very happy to take advantage of that
1544 01:17:34,917 01:17:36,291 and say, "Hey, see? and say, "Hey, see?
1545 01:17:36,291 01:17:38,083 They responded to our message, They responded to our message,
1546 01:17:38,083 01:17:40,250 and they are soldiers of the Caliphate. and they are soldiers of the Caliphate.
1547 01:17:40,250 01:17:42,250 Look what they did in America." Look what they did in America."
1548 01:17:42,250 01:17:45,708 But are they really soldiers of the Caliphate? But are they really soldiers of the Caliphate?
1549 01:17:45,708 01:17:50,458 No. The only relationship they have is a narrative No. The only relationship they have is a narrative
1550 01:17:50,458 01:17:53,625 that convinced them to commit murder, that convinced them to commit murder,
1551 01:17:53,625 01:17:55,291 to commit terrorism, to commit terrorism,
1552 01:17:55,291 01:17:59,250 in order to justify some sick feelings inside them. in order to justify some sick feelings inside them.
1553 01:17:59,250 01:18:01,083 Same thing with San Bernardino. Same thing with San Bernardino.
1554 01:18:01,542 01:18:04,166 He went berserk. He went berserk.
1555 01:18:04,166 01:18:06,875 He met his wife, and they killed a lot of his co-workers. He met his wife, and they killed a lot of his co-workers.
1556 01:18:09,417 01:18:10,667 Shreiber: In San Bernardino, Shreiber: In San Bernardino,
1557 01:18:10,667 01:18:13,917 14 were killed and 24 were wounded. 14 were killed and 24 were wounded.
1558 01:18:13,917 01:18:16,375 Berger: The links to ISIS from that attack Berger: The links to ISIS from that attack
1559 01:18:16,375 01:18:18,875 are very, very unclear. are very, very unclear.
1560 01:18:18,875 01:18:21,458 But because ISIS judged accurately But because ISIS judged accurately
1561 01:18:21,458 01:18:24,166 that they could make this claim credibly that they could make this claim credibly
1562 01:18:24,166 01:18:26,000 and that nobody would really push back on it, and that nobody would really push back on it,
1563 01:18:26,000 01:18:28,333 it's become part of the ISIS folklore now it's become part of the ISIS folklore now
1564 01:18:28,333 01:18:30,041 that this was an ISIS attack. that this was an ISIS attack.
1565 01:18:30,041 01:18:33,917 Soufan: It is an ideology that can convince an individual Soufan: It is an ideology that can convince an individual
1566 01:18:33,917 01:18:35,834 to kill for the name of the Caliphate to kill for the name of the Caliphate
1567 01:18:35,834 01:18:37,708 or for the name of al-Qaeda. or for the name of al-Qaeda.
1568 01:18:37,708 01:18:41,667 If we don't combat the narrative, If we don't combat the narrative,
1569 01:18:41,667 01:18:45,291 if we don't kill the ideology, if we don't kill the ideology,
1570 01:18:45,291 01:18:49,375 we're going to continue to play a game of whack-a-mole. we're going to continue to play a game of whack-a-mole.
1571 01:18:49,375 01:18:51,875 [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ]
1572 01:18:51,875 01:18:54,792 Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown
1573 01:18:54,792 01:18:59,125 of Muslims entering the United States of Muslims entering the United States
1574 01:18:59,125 01:19:02,375 until our country's representatives until our country's representatives
1575 01:19:02,375 01:19:06,417 can figure out what the hell is going on. can figure out what the hell is going on.
1576 01:19:06,417 01:19:09,291 [ Cheers and applause ] [ Cheers and applause ]
1577 01:19:09,291 01:19:11,583 Isolating American Muslim community Isolating American Muslim community
1578 01:19:11,583 01:19:13,208 by making the statement, by making the statement,
1579 01:19:13,208 01:19:14,583 this hurts us twice -- this hurts us twice --
1580 01:19:14,583 01:19:17,708 as Americans and as Muslims. as Americans and as Muslims.
1581 01:19:17,708 01:19:19,959 Protection of the nation Protection of the nation
1582 01:19:19,959 01:19:25,208 from foreign terrorist entry into the United States. from foreign terrorist entry into the United States.
1583 01:19:25,208 01:19:25,959 That's big stuff. That's big stuff.
1584 01:19:29,375 01:19:32,500 Let's say we banned all immigration tomorrow. Let's say we banned all immigration tomorrow.
1585 01:19:32,500 01:19:34,250 That wouldn't solve the problem. That wouldn't solve the problem.
1586 01:19:34,250 01:19:35,417 People are being radicalized People are being radicalized
1587 01:19:35,417 01:19:37,583 in their bedrooms by the Internet, in their bedrooms by the Internet,
1588 01:19:37,583 01:19:40,542 which is not susceptible to being banned. which is not susceptible to being banned.
1589 01:19:40,542 01:19:42,166 So, that being the case, So, that being the case,
1590 01:19:42,166 01:19:46,083 what you need is not to alienate the Muslim community, what you need is not to alienate the Muslim community,
1591 01:19:46,083 01:19:48,083 you need to enlist them. you need to enlist them.
1592 01:19:50,166 01:19:57,041 Royer: This is absolutely playing into the hands of ISIS. Royer: This is absolutely playing into the hands of ISIS.
1593 01:19:57,041 01:19:59,250 You're already seeing, on social media, You're already seeing, on social media,
1594 01:19:59,250 01:20:01,417 pro-ISIS radicals claiming victory. pro-ISIS radicals claiming victory.
1595 01:20:01,417 01:20:06,208 The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens. The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens.
1596 01:20:08,083 01:20:10,250 If that view gains currency, If that view gains currency,
1597 01:20:10,250 01:20:13,458 which one fears that it might, which one fears that it might,
1598 01:20:13,458 01:20:16,000 that would have the effect of, in fact, that would have the effect of, in fact,
1599 01:20:16,000 01:20:18,458 driving people into the arms of extremists driving people into the arms of extremists
1600 01:20:18,458 01:20:20,375 who otherwise wouldn't. who otherwise wouldn't.
1601 01:20:23,417 01:20:25,500 Soufan: The narratives of these organizations, Soufan: The narratives of these organizations,
1602 01:20:25,500 01:20:27,083 a lot of times, a lot of times,
1603 01:20:27,083 01:20:30,834 it's based on our mistakes. it's based on our mistakes.
1604 01:20:30,834 01:20:34,250 We invaded Iraq. That fed into the narrative. We invaded Iraq. That fed into the narrative.
1605 01:20:34,250 01:20:37,291 The images of Abu Ghraib fed into the narrative. The images of Abu Ghraib fed into the narrative.
1606 01:20:37,291 01:20:39,583 Guantanamo Bay fed into the narrative. Guantanamo Bay fed into the narrative.
1607 01:20:39,583 01:20:42,291 [ Gunfire ] [ Gunfire ]
1608 01:20:42,291 01:20:44,708 Killing innocent people with drone strikes Killing innocent people with drone strikes
1609 01:20:44,708 01:20:47,834 fed into the narrative. fed into the narrative.
1610 01:20:47,834 01:20:50,917 Banning Muslims fed into the narrative. Banning Muslims fed into the narrative.
1611 01:20:52,000 01:20:53,667 That's why, on the eve of 9/11, That's why, on the eve of 9/11,
1612 01:20:53,667 01:20:56,041 al-Qaeda had 400 members. al-Qaeda had 400 members.
1613 01:20:56,041 01:20:58,417 Today they have thousands and thousands. Today they have thousands and thousands.
1614 01:20:58,417 01:21:00,000 I believe this was part of bin Laden's vision. I believe this was part of bin Laden's vision.
1615 01:21:00,000 01:21:02,834 Mr. bin Laden, you've issued a fatwa. Mr. bin Laden, you've issued a fatwa.
1616 01:21:02,834 01:21:07,000 When I talked to him in 1998, in an interview, I asked, When I talked to him in 1998, in an interview, I asked,
1617 01:21:07,000 01:21:10,417 "Are you worried about being captured or killed by America?" "Are you worried about being captured or killed by America?"
1618 01:21:10,417 01:21:14,875 And he said, "Oh, it doesn't matter what America does. And he said, "Oh, it doesn't matter what America does.
1619 01:21:14,875 01:21:17,125 Someday this will become a movement Someday this will become a movement
1620 01:21:17,125 01:21:19,583 that's driven by the message." that's driven by the message."
1621 01:21:19,583 01:21:22,708 A lot of what he predicted has come true. A lot of what he predicted has come true.
1622 01:21:22,708 01:21:24,125 It went from being an organization It went from being an organization
1623 01:21:24,125 01:21:25,917 to being a network of organizations to being a network of organizations
1624 01:21:25,917 01:21:29,125 to being basically a movement driven to being basically a movement driven
1625 01:21:29,125 01:21:31,542 by social media. by social media.
1626 01:21:31,542 01:21:33,291 Hitchens: ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab -- Hitchens: ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab --
1627 01:21:33,291 01:21:35,208 we have to realize that these are groups we have to realize that these are groups
1628 01:21:35,208 01:21:37,083 that represent a wider movement. that represent a wider movement.
1629 01:21:37,083 01:21:39,542 And it's the wider movement we need to be more worried about. And it's the wider movement we need to be more worried about.
1630 01:21:39,542 01:21:40,875 As long as that movement exists, As long as that movement exists,
1631 01:21:40,875 01:21:41,959 as long as it still attracts people, as long as it still attracts people,
1632 01:21:41,959 01:21:45,667 it will continue to be a problem. it will continue to be a problem.
1633 01:21:45,667 01:21:47,750 We had a lot of tactical successes We had a lot of tactical successes
1634 01:21:47,750 01:21:50,125 in the war against al-Qaeda. in the war against al-Qaeda.
1635 01:21:50,125 01:21:53,583 But all the tactical successes we had, But all the tactical successes we had,
1636 01:21:53,583 01:21:56,000 in some weird way, in some weird way,
1637 01:21:56,000 01:21:59,708 amounted to a strategic failure -- amounted to a strategic failure --
1638 01:21:59,708 01:22:03,667 a strategic failure that we are still dealing with today. a strategic failure that we are still dealing with today.
1639 01:22:09,583 01:22:13,417 If you really think back to 15 years ago, it's like, If you really think back to 15 years ago, it's like,
1640 01:22:13,417 01:22:16,041 "Is the problem better, or did we make it worse?" "Is the problem better, or did we make it worse?"
1641 01:22:21,542 01:22:23,333 Shreiber: During the hearing of an operative Shreiber: During the hearing of an operative
1642 01:22:23,333 01:22:26,166 arrested as a result of Jesse's testimony, arrested as a result of Jesse's testimony,
1643 01:22:26,166 01:22:28,333 his undercover status was blown. his undercover status was blown.
1644 01:22:31,083 01:22:34,250 Man: This is a message directed towards Jesse Curtis Morton, Man: This is a message directed towards Jesse Curtis Morton,
1645 01:22:34,250 01:22:37,875 previously known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad. previously known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad.
1646 01:22:37,875 01:22:39,750 Let's be honest, you lied to my face Let's be honest, you lied to my face
1647 01:22:39,750 01:22:42,834 and took advantage of many brothers' sincerity. and took advantage of many brothers' sincerity.
1648 01:22:42,834 01:22:46,250 I called you to inform you that a mutual friend of ours I called you to inform you that a mutual friend of ours
1649 01:22:46,250 01:22:48,125 might be an informant might be an informant
1650 01:22:48,125 01:22:50,333 that entrapped a Muslim recently. that entrapped a Muslim recently.
1651 01:22:50,333 01:22:54,834 And now I just found out that you've been one all along. And now I just found out that you've been one all along.
1652 01:22:56,500 01:22:59,458 Seriously, man, lost all respect for you. Seriously, man, lost all respect for you.
1653 01:22:59,458 01:23:00,291 You know who this is. You know who this is.
1654 01:23:00,291 01:23:02,291 Morton: That's an old friend -- Morton: That's an old friend --
1655 01:23:02,291 01:23:04,708 one of my better friends from the movement. one of my better friends from the movement.
1656 01:23:04,708 01:23:07,625 But the reality is that they are not friends, But the reality is that they are not friends,
1657 01:23:07,625 01:23:08,959 and they never were friends. and they never were friends.
1658 01:23:08,959 01:23:11,208 In the beginning, he emphasizes, like, In the beginning, he emphasizes, like,
1659 01:23:11,208 01:23:14,333 "Jesse Curtis Morton," the whole name. "Jesse Curtis Morton," the whole name.
1660 01:23:14,333 01:23:16,959 Basically, you know, that's letting people know, Basically, you know, that's letting people know,
1661 01:23:16,959 01:23:17,792 you know, "There's the middle name, you know, "There's the middle name,
1662 01:23:17,792 01:23:20,375 so now you can find him." so now you can find him."
1663 01:23:20,375 01:23:23,208 So, what do you do with that? So, what do you do with that?
1664 01:23:23,208 01:23:26,125 You just realize how positive it is, You just realize how positive it is,
1665 01:23:26,125 01:23:28,500 the change that you made in your life, the change that you made in your life,
1666 01:23:28,500 01:23:31,333 and that you need to continue to do work to counter them. and that you need to continue to do work to counter them.
1667 01:23:31,333 01:23:36,458 What would you do if I came to your house, blew it up? What would you do if I came to your house, blew it up?
1668 01:23:36,458 01:23:40,542 I'm glad that I've been able to tap into my personal issues I'm glad that I've been able to tap into my personal issues
1669 01:23:40,542 01:23:42,500 and see the world the way it really is, and see the world the way it really is,
1670 01:23:42,500 01:23:46,333 rather than as an outlet for me to project my own animosities. rather than as an outlet for me to project my own animosities.
1671 01:23:50,834 01:23:53,500 De-radicalization, it's a process, De-radicalization, it's a process,
1672 01:23:53,500 01:23:55,375 it's not an event. it's not an event.
1673 01:23:55,375 01:23:57,667 It's almost like drug addiction. It's almost like drug addiction.
1674 01:23:57,667 01:23:59,166 You think that you're healed You think that you're healed
1675 01:23:59,166 01:24:01,333 and that you're never going to relapse, and that you're never going to relapse,
1676 01:24:01,333 01:24:03,000 that you're never going to return, that you're never going to return,
1677 01:24:03,000 01:24:04,834 but then you realize, but then you realize,
1678 01:24:04,834 01:24:06,708 "Oh, that still exists in me." "Oh, that still exists in me."
1679 01:24:06,708 01:24:09,083 [ Siren wails ] [ Siren wails ]
1680 01:24:09,083 01:24:11,208 Shreiber: In late December of 2016, Shreiber: In late December of 2016,
1681 01:24:11,208 01:24:13,959 Jesse was arrested for possession of cocaine Jesse was arrested for possession of cocaine
1682 01:24:13,959 01:24:16,625 and soliciting a prostitute. and soliciting a prostitute.
1683 01:24:19,333 01:24:21,166 Khan: We have to think about the concept Khan: We have to think about the concept
1684 01:24:21,166 01:24:22,333 of re-entry or rehabilitation. of re-entry or rehabilitation.
1685 01:24:25,667 01:24:28,625 We have to de-radicalize them on the ideologies, We have to de-radicalize them on the ideologies,
1686 01:24:28,625 01:24:31,458 but you also have to give them re-entry skills but you also have to give them re-entry skills
1687 01:24:31,458 01:24:34,083 so they can become productive members of society. so they can become productive members of society.
1688 01:24:34,083 01:24:35,917 It's not a new idea, but the fact It's not a new idea, but the fact
1689 01:24:35,917 01:24:38,875 that we've only started talking about it that we've only started talking about it
1690 01:24:38,875 01:24:41,291 from the government side now, it's, uh... from the government side now, it's, uh...
1691 01:24:41,291 01:24:43,166 This is what makes you think, This is what makes you think,
1692 01:24:43,166 01:24:46,792 "Okay, are we really serious about dealing with the issue?" "Okay, are we really serious about dealing with the issue?"
1693 01:24:50,542 01:24:52,875 Hughes: Right now, if you're a family member Hughes: Right now, if you're a family member
1694 01:24:52,875 01:24:54,875 worried about your kid, you got nothing. worried about your kid, you got nothing.
1695 01:24:54,875 01:24:56,542 You do nothing, kind of hope it's a phase, You do nothing, kind of hope it's a phase,
1696 01:24:56,542 01:24:58,875 you know, teenage angst, they grow out of it. you know, teenage angst, they grow out of it.
1697 01:24:58,875 01:25:00,834 Or you call the FBI and, potentially, Or you call the FBI and, potentially,
1698 01:25:00,834 01:25:03,542 talk to your loved one behind a prison bar for 20 years. talk to your loved one behind a prison bar for 20 years.
1699 01:25:04,875 01:25:08,083 Hussen: What happened to my son... Hussen: What happened to my son...
1700 01:25:08,083 01:25:12,125 I thought it's only Somali community. I thought it's only Somali community.
1701 01:25:12,125 01:25:14,291 I never thought that it's Caucasian. I never thought that it's Caucasian.
1702 01:25:14,291 01:25:18,083 I never thought that it's African-American. I never thought that it's African-American.
1703 01:25:18,083 01:25:21,750 I find out this happen to everyone. I find out this happen to everyone.
1704 01:25:22,834 01:25:25,083 Hughes: We're talking about small numbers of individuals Hughes: We're talking about small numbers of individuals
1705 01:25:25,083 01:25:26,959 that are drawn to groups like ISIS -- that are drawn to groups like ISIS --
1706 01:25:26,959 01:25:28,917 105 people in the last two years. 105 people in the last two years.
1707 01:25:28,917 01:25:30,291 These are manageable numbers These are manageable numbers
1708 01:25:30,291 01:25:32,500 in terms of one-on-one interventions. in terms of one-on-one interventions.
1709 01:25:32,500 01:25:35,125 You can have a bench of religious leaders, You can have a bench of religious leaders,
1710 01:25:35,125 01:25:36,583 properly vetted, properly vetted,
1711 01:25:36,583 01:25:37,625 intervention specialists, social workers, intervention specialists, social workers,
1712 01:25:37,625 01:25:39,959 mental-health professionals that you can say, mental-health professionals that you can say,
1713 01:25:39,959 01:25:41,708 "I got a guy down the street. "I got a guy down the street.
1714 01:25:41,708 01:25:43,792 I need your help on this. Can you help me out?" I need your help on this. Can you help me out?"
1715 01:25:43,792 01:25:45,917 We haven't done that. We haven't done that.
1716 01:25:45,917 01:25:48,375 Bledsoe: I'm an ordinary citizen, but I don't understand Bledsoe: I'm an ordinary citizen, but I don't understand
1717 01:25:48,375 01:25:49,959 why we have so much fear of talking why we have so much fear of talking
1718 01:25:49,959 01:25:52,500 about what is real. about what is real.
1719 01:25:52,500 01:25:55,083 It is a real threat to America, It is a real threat to America,
1720 01:25:55,083 01:25:57,250 as I said earlier today. as I said earlier today.
1721 01:25:57,250 01:25:59,542 It came into my house, It came into my house,
1722 01:25:59,542 01:26:02,792 but it's at your doorstep, and we need to talk about it. but it's at your doorstep, and we need to talk about it.
1723 01:26:02,792 01:26:04,041 This shouldn't happen to anyone-- This shouldn't happen to anyone--
1724 01:26:04,041 01:26:06,834 any child, any American citizen, any child, any American citizen,
1725 01:26:06,834 01:26:09,667 any parent -- no one. any parent -- no one.
1726 01:26:11,542 01:26:13,959 Hughes: I used to travel to Minneapolis Hughes: I used to travel to Minneapolis
1727 01:26:13,959 01:26:16,000 to meet with mothers of kids who had joined al-Shabaab. to meet with mothers of kids who had joined al-Shabaab.
1728 01:26:16,000 01:26:18,458 And they're saying, you know, And they're saying, you know,
1729 01:26:18,458 01:26:20,333 "Seamus, can you help me save my kids? "Seamus, can you help me save my kids?
1730 01:26:20,333 01:26:22,500 They're been brainwashed, they've been kidnapped. They're been brainwashed, they've been kidnapped.
1731 01:26:22,500 01:26:24,333 Help me save them." Help me save them."
1732 01:26:24,333 01:26:26,959 That actually frames the way I look at this issue. That actually frames the way I look at this issue.
1733 01:26:26,959 01:26:30,083 I never want to have to sit in an apartment-building basement I never want to have to sit in an apartment-building basement
1734 01:26:30,083 01:26:32,667 talking to grieving mothers. talking to grieving mothers.
1735 01:26:32,667 01:26:33,834 I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it.
1736 01:26:36,333 01:26:38,917 I think there's a way to do this, I think there's a way to do this,
1737 01:26:38,917 01:26:40,583 because at some point, because at some point,
1738 01:26:40,583 01:26:43,000 you don't want to have those conversations anymore. you don't want to have those conversations anymore.
1739 01:26:44,834 01:26:48,166 We got to figure this out. We got to figure this out.
1740 01:26:48,166 01:26:51,500 Soufan: We need to develop a strategy where people -- Soufan: We need to develop a strategy where people --
1741 01:26:51,500 01:26:54,250 regular people in communities around the world -- regular people in communities around the world --
1742 01:26:54,250 01:26:58,291 feel part of this fight against radicalism, feel part of this fight against radicalism,
1743 01:26:58,291 01:27:02,291 part of this fight against evil. part of this fight against evil.
1744 01:27:02,291 01:27:06,083 That's the only way we can win this war. That's the only way we can win this war.