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1 | 00:00:08,500 | 00:00:13,083 | Man on radio: Target number Hotel-November-5-2-0-9er. | Man on radio: Target number Hotel-November-5-2-0-9er. |
2 | 00:00:13,083 | 00:00:13,417 | Request splash-out. | Request splash-out. |
3 | 00:00:13,417 | 00:00:15,500 | [ Beep ] | [ Beep ] |
4 | 00:00:15,500 | 00:00:17,291 | Man #2: Roger that. | Man #2: Roger that. |
5 | 00:00:19,708 | 00:00:20,708 | Splash out now. | Splash out now. |
6 | 00:00:20,708 | 00:00:22,166 | [ Beep ] | [ Beep ] |
7 | 00:00:22,166 | 00:00:25,625 | There are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon. | There are ominous clouds gathering in your horizon. |
8 | 00:00:27,834 | 00:00:31,667 | -3-0-1 ready to go. -Radio 3-0-1. | -3-0-1 ready to go. -Radio 3-0-1. |
9 | 00:00:31,667 | 00:00:33,875 | You have two choices -- either hijra... | You have two choices -- either hijra... |
10 | 00:00:33,875 | 00:00:36,500 | Radio 3-0-1-0-0 in and out. | Radio 3-0-1-0-0 in and out. |
11 | 00:00:36,500 | 00:00:38,875 | 3-0-9. | 3-0-9. |
12 | 00:00:40,500 | 00:00:42,917 | ...or jihad. | ...or jihad. |
13 | 00:00:42,917 | 00:00:45,333 | -This is Starter 2. -Roger that. | -This is Starter 2. -Roger that. |
14 | 00:00:48,000 | 00:00:50,667 | You either leave or you fight. | You either leave or you fight. |
15 | 00:00:52,125 | 00:00:55,208 | I, for one, was born in the U.S. | I, for one, was born in the U.S. |
16 | 00:00:55,208 | 00:00:58,708 | and lived in the U.S. for 21 years. | and lived in the U.S. for 21 years. |
17 | 00:01:00,291 | 00:01:02,500 | I was a preacher of Islam, | I was a preacher of Islam, |
18 | 00:01:02,500 | 00:01:06,125 | involved in nonviolent Islamic activism. | involved in nonviolent Islamic activism. |
19 | 00:01:06,125 | 00:01:09,208 | However, with the American invasion of Iraq, | However, with the American invasion of Iraq, |
20 | 00:01:09,208 | 00:01:13,542 | I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. | I could not reconcile between living in the U.S. |
21 | 00:01:13,542 | 00:01:15,083 | and being a Muslim. | and being a Muslim. |
22 | 00:01:15,083 | 00:01:19,083 | I came to the conclusion that jihad against America | I came to the conclusion that jihad against America |
23 | 00:01:19,083 | 00:01:21,208 | is binding upon myself, | is binding upon myself, |
24 | 00:01:21,208 | 00:01:24,417 | just as it is binding on every other able Muslim. | just as it is binding on every other able Muslim. |
25 | 00:01:24,417 | 00:01:27,583 | Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, | Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, |
26 | 00:01:27,583 | 00:01:30,750 | I thought I was the only one. | I thought I was the only one. |
27 | 00:01:30,750 | 00:01:35,417 | I specifically invite the youth to either fight in the West | I specifically invite the youth to either fight in the West |
28 | 00:01:35,417 | 00:01:39,250 | or join their brothers in the fronts of jihad. | or join their brothers in the fronts of jihad. |
29 | 00:01:39,250 | 00:01:41,834 | You guys need to come here. This is the place to be. | You guys need to come here. This is the place to be. |
30 | 00:01:41,834 | 00:01:46,583 | That video -- it was really shocking to me. | That video -- it was really shocking to me. |
31 | 00:01:46,583 | 00:01:50,291 | I can't comprehend him being violent. | I can't comprehend him being violent. |
32 | 00:01:52,542 | 00:01:55,959 | We did not know that he had been fully radicalized, | We did not know that he had been fully radicalized, |
33 | 00:01:55,959 | 00:02:00,417 | loaded up as a bomb himself. | loaded up as a bomb himself. |
34 | 00:02:00,417 | 00:02:02,083 | Kensky: These weren't outsiders. | Kensky: These weren't outsiders. |
35 | 00:02:02,083 | 00:02:05,000 | We were members of the same community. | We were members of the same community. |
36 | 00:02:05,000 | 00:02:08,125 | So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. | So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. |
37 | 00:02:08,125 | 00:02:11,792 | Warsame: I was messaging him through an app, | Warsame: I was messaging him through an app, |
38 | 00:02:11,792 | 00:02:14,041 | and he told me that he was in a training camp. | and he told me that he was in a training camp. |
39 | 00:02:14,041 | 00:02:16,542 | I remember him telling me, | I remember him telling me, |
40 | 00:02:16,542 | 00:02:18,333 | "I'm having the time of my life." | "I'm having the time of my life." |
41 | 00:02:18,333 | 00:02:21,500 | I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. | I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. |
42 | 00:02:21,500 | 00:02:25,333 | Reporter: Anwar al-Awlaki's rise from American-born cleric | Reporter: Anwar al-Awlaki's rise from American-born cleric |
43 | 00:02:25,333 | 00:02:26,667 | to key terror plotter | to key terror plotter |
44 | 00:02:26,667 | 00:02:30,125 | had put him atop the U.S. terror hit list. | had put him atop the U.S. terror hit list. |
45 | 00:02:30,125 | 00:02:32,208 | Reporter: The Justice Department wrote a secret memo | Reporter: The Justice Department wrote a secret memo |
46 | 00:02:32,208 | 00:02:33,917 | authorizing the killing of Awlaki. | authorizing the killing of Awlaki. |
47 | 00:02:33,917 | 00:02:35,083 | Pilot: I got good range, good limits on him. | Pilot: I got good range, good limits on him. |
48 | 00:02:35,083 | 00:02:37,625 | Declare fire. Declare fire. | Declare fire. Declare fire. |
49 | 00:02:37,625 | 00:02:41,125 | Reporter: U.S. intelligence says Awlaki was on the hit list, | Reporter: U.S. intelligence says Awlaki was on the hit list, |
50 | 00:02:41,125 | 00:02:43,542 | although he wasn't killed. | although he wasn't killed. |
51 | 00:02:43,542 | 00:02:45,875 | al-Awlaki: We cannot stand idly in the face of such aggression. | al-Awlaki: We cannot stand idly in the face of such aggression. |
52 | 00:02:45,875 | 00:02:48,333 | And we will fight back | And we will fight back |
53 | 00:02:48,333 | 00:02:50,500 | and incite others to do the same. | and incite others to do the same. |
54 | 00:02:50,500 | 00:02:52,291 | Would you fight back? | Would you fight back? |
55 | 00:02:52,291 | 00:02:55,000 | My ancestry dates all the way back to the Mayflower. | My ancestry dates all the way back to the Mayflower. |
56 | 00:02:55,000 | 00:02:57,583 | We will fight you and destroy you if we have to. | We will fight you and destroy you if we have to. |
57 | 00:02:57,583 | 00:02:59,792 | By that time, I was firmly committed, | By that time, I was firmly committed, |
58 | 00:02:59,792 | 00:03:02,000 | and I was inserting the rhetoric of al-Qaeda | and I was inserting the rhetoric of al-Qaeda |
59 | 00:03:02,000 | 00:03:03,375 | into the American arena. | into the American arena. |
60 | 00:03:03,375 | 00:03:05,708 | We're not calling for your death and destruction, | We're not calling for your death and destruction, |
61 | 00:03:05,708 | 00:03:06,834 | unless, of course, you continue to fight us. | unless, of course, you continue to fight us. |
62 | 00:03:06,834 | 00:03:09,708 | I was still radical. | I was still radical. |
63 | 00:03:09,708 | 00:03:11,417 | [ Door clanks ] | [ Door clanks ] |
64 | 00:03:11,417 | 00:03:12,834 | I was in prison. | I was in prison. |
65 | 00:03:12,834 | 00:03:15,125 | And one day, I'm sitting there in the bunk, | And one day, I'm sitting there in the bunk, |
66 | 00:03:15,125 | 00:03:18,792 | and, all of a sudden, I see Anwar al-Awlaki on TV. | and, all of a sudden, I see Anwar al-Awlaki on TV. |
67 | 00:03:18,792 | 00:03:20,959 | I didn't know what was going on. | I didn't know what was going on. |
68 | 00:03:20,959 | 00:03:24,083 | I figured that he had ordered an operation. | I figured that he had ordered an operation. |
69 | 00:03:24,083 | 00:03:27,000 | Reporter: Early Friday, a CIA drone found its target. | Reporter: Early Friday, a CIA drone found its target. |
70 | 00:03:27,000 | 00:03:29,208 | [ Radio static ] | [ Radio static ] |
71 | 00:03:29,208 | 00:03:32,875 | He was killed by a drone attack. | He was killed by a drone attack. |
72 | 00:03:32,875 | 00:03:35,792 | Everybody figured he was invincible -- everybody. | Everybody figured he was invincible -- everybody. |
73 | 00:03:35,792 | 00:03:39,041 | Awlaki was the leader of external operations | Awlaki was the leader of external operations |
74 | 00:03:39,041 | 00:03:41,625 | for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. | for al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. |
75 | 00:03:41,625 | 00:03:43,792 | Reporter: The loss of Awlaki is another major blow to al-Qaeda, | Reporter: The loss of Awlaki is another major blow to al-Qaeda, |
76 | 00:03:43,792 | 00:03:49,083 | coming just five months after the killing of Osama bin Laden. | coming just five months after the killing of Osama bin Laden. |
77 | 00:03:49,083 | 00:03:51,041 | Morton: Osama bin Laden was dead. | Morton: Osama bin Laden was dead. |
78 | 00:03:51,041 | 00:03:53,500 | Now the primary ideologue in the English language, | Now the primary ideologue in the English language, |
79 | 00:03:53,500 | 00:03:54,583 | Awlaki, was dead. | Awlaki, was dead. |
80 | 00:03:54,583 | 00:03:57,875 | I was like, "Wow, they really just won the war." | I was like, "Wow, they really just won the war." |
81 | 00:03:57,875 | 00:04:00,041 | [ Explosion ] | [ Explosion ] |
82 | 00:04:00,041 | 00:04:01,375 | Man: Everybody get off of the street! | Man: Everybody get off of the street! |
83 | 00:04:01,375 | 00:04:04,333 | Shreiber: But the war was not over. | Shreiber: But the war was not over. |
84 | 00:04:04,333 | 00:04:05,625 | Even in death, Awlaki's message | Even in death, Awlaki's message |
85 | 00:04:05,625 | 00:04:09,375 | continued to capture the hearts and minds of Americans. | continued to capture the hearts and minds of Americans. |
86 | 00:04:24,750 | 00:04:28,208 | ♪♪ | ♪♪ |
87 | 00:04:36,959 | 00:04:38,083 | Um... | Um... |
88 | 00:04:38,083 | 00:04:40,917 | I'm more New York-ish. | I'm more New York-ish. |
89 | 00:04:40,917 | 00:04:43,083 | But, uh, it's better than not having access | But, uh, it's better than not having access |
90 | 00:04:43,083 | 00:04:45,625 | to a city at all, you know? | to a city at all, you know? |
91 | 00:04:47,250 | 00:04:50,291 | My kids are in a great public-school system, | My kids are in a great public-school system, |
92 | 00:04:50,291 | 00:04:52,458 | so I'm very happy for that. | so I'm very happy for that. |
93 | 00:04:56,959 | 00:04:59,542 | Sure. Yeah, yeah, sure. | Sure. Yeah, yeah, sure. |
94 | 00:04:59,542 | 00:05:01,208 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
95 | 00:05:01,208 | 00:05:04,750 | Shreiber: In September 2016, | Shreiber: In September 2016, |
96 | 00:05:04,750 | 00:05:06,583 | five years after the deaths | five years after the deaths |
97 | 00:05:06,583 | 00:05:08,667 | of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki, | of Osama bin Laden and Anwar al-Awlaki, |
98 | 00:05:08,667 | 00:05:13,250 | another in a series of attacks occurred on U.S. soil. | another in a series of attacks occurred on U.S. soil. |
99 | 00:05:13,250 | 00:05:16,417 | Following a three-day manhunt, | Following a three-day manhunt, |
100 | 00:05:16,417 | 00:05:18,458 | the suspect in the bombings, | the suspect in the bombings, |
101 | 00:05:18,458 | 00:05:21,041 | 28-year-old Ahmad Khan Rahami, | 28-year-old Ahmad Khan Rahami, |
102 | 00:05:21,041 | 00:05:22,875 | a naturalized U.S. citizen, | a naturalized U.S. citizen, |
103 | 00:05:22,875 | 00:05:26,750 | was was captured after a gun battle with police. | was was captured after a gun battle with police. |
104 | 00:05:26,750 | 00:05:29,625 | Morton: They found a notebook today, | Morton: They found a notebook today, |
105 | 00:05:29,625 | 00:05:33,625 | heavily influenced by Anwar al-Awlaki's musings. | heavily influenced by Anwar al-Awlaki's musings. |
106 | 00:05:33,625 | 00:05:37,959 | al-Awlaki: I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. | al-Awlaki: I invite them to join us in our new front, Yemen. |
107 | 00:05:37,959 | 00:05:42,792 | So maybe homegrown, maybe foreign-plotted. | So maybe homegrown, maybe foreign-plotted. |
108 | 00:05:42,792 | 00:05:46,208 | The way that he laid it in the Dumpster, I don't know. | The way that he laid it in the Dumpster, I don't know. |
109 | 00:05:46,208 | 00:05:48,458 | Not -- Doesn't seem like a trained operative, | Not -- Doesn't seem like a trained operative, |
110 | 00:05:48,458 | 00:05:50,625 | from that standpoint. | from that standpoint. |
111 | 00:05:50,625 | 00:05:53,000 | Just when you think like it's going to go away | Just when you think like it's going to go away |
112 | 00:05:53,000 | 00:05:56,125 | for a while, you know? | for a while, you know? |
113 | 00:05:56,125 | 00:05:59,208 | It's not like you can move away from this. | It's not like you can move away from this. |
114 | 00:05:59,208 | 00:06:00,834 | You can't run. | You can't run. |
115 | 00:06:00,834 | 00:06:03,500 | Like, you can't ignore what you've done. | Like, you can't ignore what you've done. |
116 | 00:06:07,250 | 00:06:10,959 | This revival, ya Muslimin, requires that you rise up, | This revival, ya Muslimin, requires that you rise up, |
117 | 00:06:10,959 | 00:06:13,917 | that you make dua for the mujahideen... | that you make dua for the mujahideen... |
118 | 00:06:18,375 | 00:06:20,583 | ...that you defend them when they're assaulted | ...that you defend them when they're assaulted |
119 | 00:06:20,583 | 00:06:23,583 | by the moderates and by the enemies of Islam. | by the moderates and by the enemies of Islam. |
120 | 00:06:23,583 | 00:06:25,750 | Hitchens: Throughout our history, we had individuals | Hitchens: Throughout our history, we had individuals |
121 | 00:06:25,750 | 00:06:26,875 | who were mainstream members of society | who were mainstream members of society |
122 | 00:06:26,875 | 00:06:30,041 | turn against their societies for various reasons. | turn against their societies for various reasons. |
123 | 00:06:30,041 | 00:06:32,333 | This is something that has always happened. | This is something that has always happened. |
124 | 00:06:35,208 | 00:06:37,250 | So the phenomenon of people joining ISIS, | So the phenomenon of people joining ISIS, |
125 | 00:06:37,250 | 00:06:40,041 | joining al-Qaeda, is nothing new. | joining al-Qaeda, is nothing new. |
126 | 00:06:40,041 | 00:06:41,458 | I think we think of terrorism | I think we think of terrorism |
127 | 00:06:41,458 | 00:06:43,875 | as a foreign thing because, on 9/11, | as a foreign thing because, on 9/11, |
128 | 00:06:43,875 | 00:06:46,500 | we were attacked by 19 foreign-born Arab terrorists. | we were attacked by 19 foreign-born Arab terrorists. |
129 | 00:06:46,500 | 00:06:49,917 | But, in fact, it is a very homegrown thing. | But, in fact, it is a very homegrown thing. |
130 | 00:06:49,917 | 00:06:53,542 | I've looked at 300-plus cases of jihadi terrorism since 9/11, | I've looked at 300-plus cases of jihadi terrorism since 9/11, |
131 | 00:06:53,542 | 00:06:55,208 | and they're overwhelmingly Americans | and they're overwhelmingly Americans |
132 | 00:06:55,208 | 00:06:57,542 | who are radicalizing online. | who are radicalizing online. |
133 | 00:06:57,542 | 00:07:00,583 | There have been Americans associated with al-Qaeda | There have been Americans associated with al-Qaeda |
134 | 00:07:00,583 | 00:07:02,000 | for a long time. | for a long time. |
135 | 00:07:02,000 | 00:07:03,750 | Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico. | Anwar al-Awlaki was born in New Mexico. |
136 | 00:07:03,750 | 00:07:07,750 | America as a whole has turned into a nation of evil. | America as a whole has turned into a nation of evil. |
137 | 00:07:07,750 | 00:07:12,583 | What we're seeing is the Americanization of jihadism. | What we're seeing is the Americanization of jihadism. |
138 | 00:07:12,583 | 00:07:14,375 | And we have to try and understand | And we have to try and understand |
139 | 00:07:14,375 | 00:07:15,875 | why this is happening. | why this is happening. |
140 | 00:07:15,875 | 00:07:18,583 | Why is it that we're not able to sell our values | Why is it that we're not able to sell our values |
141 | 00:07:18,583 | 00:07:22,208 | and our system to our own people? | and our system to our own people? |
142 | 00:07:22,208 | 00:07:23,250 | Why is it that the joining of groups | Why is it that the joining of groups |
143 | 00:07:23,250 | 00:07:24,625 | like ISIS and al-Qaeda | like ISIS and al-Qaeda |
144 | 00:07:24,625 | 00:07:27,708 | is a more attractive option for people? | is a more attractive option for people? |
145 | 00:07:27,708 | 00:07:31,417 | ♪♪ | ♪♪ |
146 | 00:07:31,417 | 00:07:34,083 | Hughes: We lovingly call that the "Beautiful Mind" board | Hughes: We lovingly call that the "Beautiful Mind" board |
147 | 00:07:34,083 | 00:07:36,291 | when it comes to jihadist recruits. | when it comes to jihadist recruits. |
148 | 00:07:36,291 | 00:07:38,250 | Very rudimentary, kind of reminds me, again, | Very rudimentary, kind of reminds me, again, |
149 | 00:07:38,250 | 00:07:40,291 | of the old-school Mafia days | of the old-school Mafia days |
150 | 00:07:40,291 | 00:07:43,458 | of which dots connected to that one. | of which dots connected to that one. |
151 | 00:07:43,458 | 00:07:46,166 | I was at the Senate Homeland Security Committee, | I was at the Senate Homeland Security Committee, |
152 | 00:07:46,166 | 00:07:50,375 | and homegrown terrorism was just kind of starting to bubble up. | and homegrown terrorism was just kind of starting to bubble up. |
153 | 00:07:50,375 | 00:07:53,417 | The average age of a guy that was drawn to this was 26. | The average age of a guy that was drawn to this was 26. |
154 | 00:07:53,417 | 00:07:55,542 | I was 26. They kind of threw the cases on me and said, | I was 26. They kind of threw the cases on me and said, |
155 | 00:07:55,542 | 00:07:58,500 | you know, "Figure out this niche." | you know, "Figure out this niche." |
156 | 00:07:58,500 | 00:08:02,291 | Why people join terrorist organizations is complex. | Why people join terrorist organizations is complex. |
157 | 00:08:02,291 | 00:08:04,291 | Radicalization isn't a linear process. | Radicalization isn't a linear process. |
158 | 00:08:04,291 | 00:08:07,500 | Just not how it works. | Just not how it works. |
159 | 00:08:07,500 | 00:08:09,458 | Hitchens: There is no single type of person | Hitchens: There is no single type of person |
160 | 00:08:09,458 | 00:08:13,041 | who gets drawn into this ideology. | who gets drawn into this ideology. |
161 | 00:08:13,041 | 00:08:15,166 | Hughes: They're rich, they're poor, you know, | Hughes: They're rich, they're poor, you know, |
162 | 00:08:15,166 | 00:08:17,291 | they're college graduates and high-school dropouts. | they're college graduates and high-school dropouts. |
163 | 00:08:17,291 | 00:08:19,333 | It runs a spectrum. | It runs a spectrum. |
164 | 00:08:19,333 | 00:08:22,000 | In 90% of the cases, they're male. | In 90% of the cases, they're male. |
165 | 00:08:22,000 | 00:08:23,333 | They tend to be younger. | They tend to be younger. |
166 | 00:08:23,333 | 00:08:25,000 | Man: What is your name? What is your name? | Man: What is your name? What is your name? |
167 | 00:08:25,000 | 00:08:25,667 | -Muhammad. -Muhammad what? | -Muhammad. -Muhammad what? |
168 | 00:08:25,667 | 00:08:28,291 | Younus Abdullah Muhammad. | Younus Abdullah Muhammad. |
169 | 00:08:28,291 | 00:08:29,208 | That's my name. -Who do you represent? | That's my name. -Who do you represent? |
170 | 00:08:29,208 | 00:08:32,708 | I represent Islam. | I represent Islam. |
171 | 00:08:32,708 | 00:08:33,625 | Shreiber: Younus Abdullah Muhammad | Shreiber: Younus Abdullah Muhammad |
172 | 00:08:33,625 | 00:08:38,875 | was born in Pennsylvania as Jesse Morton. | was born in Pennsylvania as Jesse Morton. |
173 | 00:08:38,875 | 00:08:42,291 | Hughes: Jesse's story is interesting in terms of radicalization. | Hughes: Jesse's story is interesting in terms of radicalization. |
174 | 00:08:42,291 | 00:08:45,166 | But it's more interesting to me in terms of de-radicalization. | But it's more interesting to me in terms of de-radicalization. |
175 | 00:08:45,166 | 00:08:46,208 | How does an individual like that, | How does an individual like that, |
176 | 00:08:46,208 | 00:08:48,625 | a prominent player on the scene, able to get out, | a prominent player on the scene, able to get out, |
177 | 00:08:48,625 | 00:08:50,708 | and what does that lesson tell us? | and what does that lesson tell us? |
178 | 00:08:50,708 | 00:08:55,500 | Morton: My birth was in Pennsylvania. | Morton: My birth was in Pennsylvania. |
179 | 00:08:55,500 | 00:08:56,875 | And my ancestry dates | And my ancestry dates |
180 | 00:08:56,875 | 00:08:59,750 | all the way back to the Mayflower | all the way back to the Mayflower |
181 | 00:08:59,750 | 00:09:01,959 | and the Sons and Daughters | and the Sons and Daughters |
182 | 00:09:01,959 | 00:09:04,542 | of the American Revolution. | of the American Revolution. |
183 | 00:09:04,542 | 00:09:09,417 | I went through severe abuse in the early stages of my life. | I went through severe abuse in the early stages of my life. |
184 | 00:09:09,417 | 00:09:13,000 | That led me to run away | That led me to run away |
185 | 00:09:13,000 | 00:09:16,959 | at the age of 16 to flee the abuse. | at the age of 16 to flee the abuse. |
186 | 00:09:16,959 | 00:09:20,208 | I started selling drugs to survive, | I started selling drugs to survive, |
187 | 00:09:20,208 | 00:09:22,667 | and wound up in jail. | and wound up in jail. |
188 | 00:09:24,125 | 00:09:27,708 | Shreiber: While in prison, Jesse discovered the Qur'an. | Shreiber: While in prison, Jesse discovered the Qur'an. |
189 | 00:09:27,708 | 00:09:30,750 | Morton: Picked it up, read the second chapter. | Morton: Picked it up, read the second chapter. |
190 | 00:09:30,750 | 00:09:34,667 | And it say, "This is a book wherein there is no doubt." | And it say, "This is a book wherein there is no doubt." |
191 | 00:09:34,667 | 00:09:36,542 | You know, I was overcome with emotions, started to cry, | You know, I was overcome with emotions, started to cry, |
192 | 00:09:36,542 | 00:09:39,583 | started to want to change my life, | started to want to change my life, |
193 | 00:09:39,583 | 00:09:41,166 | and decided right then and there | and decided right then and there |
194 | 00:09:41,166 | 00:09:42,250 | that I wanted to become a Muslim. | that I wanted to become a Muslim. |
195 | 00:09:42,250 | 00:09:45,417 | I was practicing Islam, | I was practicing Islam, |
196 | 00:09:45,417 | 00:09:48,166 | and it established stability in my life. | and it established stability in my life. |
197 | 00:09:48,166 | 00:09:49,417 | Woman: Jesse Morton. | Woman: Jesse Morton. |
198 | 00:09:49,417 | 00:09:51,667 | I graduated from Columbia, | I graduated from Columbia, |
199 | 00:09:51,667 | 00:09:53,208 | and immediately, | and immediately, |
200 | 00:09:53,208 | 00:09:55,083 | my dream was to go to the Muslim world | my dream was to go to the Muslim world |
201 | 00:09:55,083 | 00:09:57,250 | and to become a teacher. | and to become a teacher. |
202 | 00:09:57,250 | 00:10:01,250 | From there, things got more complicated, | From there, things got more complicated, |
203 | 00:10:01,250 | 00:10:04,834 | and I eased myself into the jihadist world. | and I eased myself into the jihadist world. |
204 | 00:10:04,834 | 00:10:08,083 | The Internet was full of preachers | The Internet was full of preachers |
205 | 00:10:08,083 | 00:10:10,166 | that were very radical, | that were very radical, |
206 | 00:10:10,166 | 00:10:12,917 | and I would just listen to their lectures constantly. | and I would just listen to their lectures constantly. |
207 | 00:10:14,250 | 00:10:16,333 | That's how I started participating | That's how I started participating |
208 | 00:10:16,333 | 00:10:17,834 | in the Islamic Thinkers Society. | in the Islamic Thinkers Society. |
209 | 00:10:26,458 | 00:10:29,208 | Espousing radical ideology was an outlet for my rage, | Espousing radical ideology was an outlet for my rage, |
210 | 00:10:29,208 | 00:10:31,000 | my frustration. | my frustration. |
211 | 00:10:31,000 | 00:10:37,208 | Here Allah, azza wa jal, says, "Jihad is ordained for you." | Here Allah, azza wa jal, says, "Jihad is ordained for you." |
212 | 00:10:40,291 | 00:10:45,250 | Well, I was born and raised in Saint Louis, | Well, I was born and raised in Saint Louis, |
213 | 00:10:45,250 | 00:10:50,125 | and I was raised a Catholic because my mother was a nun. | and I was raised a Catholic because my mother was a nun. |
214 | 00:10:50,125 | 00:10:53,125 | She left the convent, but she was still very grounded | She left the convent, but she was still very grounded |
215 | 00:10:53,125 | 00:10:54,959 | in her Catholic faith. | in her Catholic faith. |
216 | 00:10:54,959 | 00:10:58,417 | And so that's how I received my moral foundation | And so that's how I received my moral foundation |
217 | 00:10:58,417 | 00:11:03,750 | and the empathy that I was raised with to have for others. | and the empathy that I was raised with to have for others. |
218 | 00:11:03,750 | 00:11:05,583 | I became Muslim in '92 | I became Muslim in '92 |
219 | 00:11:05,583 | 00:11:09,667 | when this echo of the war in Afghanistan was still there. | when this echo of the war in Afghanistan was still there. |
220 | 00:11:11,083 | 00:11:15,500 | At that time, it was still sort of a memory among the Muslims | At that time, it was still sort of a memory among the Muslims |
221 | 00:11:15,500 | 00:11:18,291 | about the noble jihad of the Afghan mujahideen | about the noble jihad of the Afghan mujahideen |
222 | 00:11:18,291 | 00:11:19,917 | fighting against the Russians. | fighting against the Russians. |
223 | 00:11:19,917 | 00:11:21,917 | [ Machine-gun fire ] | [ Machine-gun fire ] |
224 | 00:11:21,917 | 00:11:22,959 | When I heard that word "mujahideen", | When I heard that word "mujahideen", |
225 | 00:11:22,959 | 00:11:28,000 | something about that word kind of captured me. | something about that word kind of captured me. |
226 | 00:11:28,000 | 00:11:31,291 | In the early '90s, '92, the war in Bosnia started. | In the early '90s, '92, the war in Bosnia started. |
227 | 00:11:31,291 | 00:11:34,667 | ♪♪ | ♪♪ |
228 | 00:11:34,667 | 00:11:38,750 | I became outraged by all this violence | I became outraged by all this violence |
229 | 00:11:38,750 | 00:11:42,750 | that was being directed at these innocent people. | that was being directed at these innocent people. |
230 | 00:11:42,750 | 00:11:44,959 | And I immediately started to think, | And I immediately started to think, |
231 | 00:11:44,959 | 00:11:47,667 | "Maybe I could go there and join them, | "Maybe I could go there and join them, |
232 | 00:11:47,667 | 00:11:49,542 | just like the people who had gone to Afghanistan." | just like the people who had gone to Afghanistan." |
233 | 00:11:49,542 | 00:11:51,917 | I figured it out from there. | I figured it out from there. |
234 | 00:11:51,917 | 00:11:53,708 | I got my way to an Arab brigade | I got my way to an Arab brigade |
235 | 00:11:53,708 | 00:11:56,000 | and was with them until the end of the war. | and was with them until the end of the war. |
236 | 00:11:56,000 | 00:11:59,208 | [ Machine-gun fire ] | [ Machine-gun fire ] |
237 | 00:11:59,208 | 00:12:01,333 | During war, you feel this adrenaline, | During war, you feel this adrenaline, |
238 | 00:12:01,333 | 00:12:03,583 | you feel this honor in being a soldier | you feel this honor in being a soldier |
239 | 00:12:03,583 | 00:12:05,375 | for a good cause, | for a good cause, |
240 | 00:12:05,375 | 00:12:09,542 | that's thrilling, adventurous, meaningful. | that's thrilling, adventurous, meaningful. |
241 | 00:12:09,542 | 00:12:11,417 | The Arabs that I was with -- | The Arabs that I was with -- |
242 | 00:12:11,417 | 00:12:14,875 | these were not people who were out committing suicide bombings. | these were not people who were out committing suicide bombings. |
243 | 00:12:14,875 | 00:12:17,000 | We were actually just soldiers. | We were actually just soldiers. |
244 | 00:12:17,000 | 00:12:18,875 | I never heard the word "al-Qaeda" then. | I never heard the word "al-Qaeda" then. |
245 | 00:12:18,875 | 00:12:21,917 | I never heard the name Osama bin Laden. | I never heard the name Osama bin Laden. |
246 | 00:12:23,083 | 00:12:28,917 | The term "jihad" has a lot of different connotations | The term "jihad" has a lot of different connotations |
247 | 00:12:28,917 | 00:12:31,000 | for religious people. | for religious people. |
248 | 00:12:31,000 | 00:12:35,917 | Since the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, | Since the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, |
249 | 00:12:35,917 | 00:12:39,125 | it has come to mean either "you pick up and you go | it has come to mean either "you pick up and you go |
250 | 00:12:39,125 | 00:12:42,125 | to another country to defend your religion" | to another country to defend your religion" |
251 | 00:12:42,125 | 00:12:44,166 | or "terrorism." | or "terrorism." |
252 | 00:12:44,166 | 00:12:47,583 | Hitchens: Guys like Awlaki were very heavily involved | Hitchens: Guys like Awlaki were very heavily involved |
253 | 00:12:47,583 | 00:12:49,708 | in legitimizing that form of terrorism. | in legitimizing that form of terrorism. |
254 | 00:12:49,708 | 00:12:52,291 | Jihad has actually nothing to do with terrorism, | Jihad has actually nothing to do with terrorism, |
255 | 00:12:52,291 | 00:12:54,583 | but he transferred the meaning to "jihad." | but he transferred the meaning to "jihad." |
256 | 00:12:54,583 | 00:12:57,458 | It's embedded in his lectures. | It's embedded in his lectures. |
257 | 00:12:57,458 | 00:13:00,583 | I listened to those, several times -- | I listened to those, several times -- |
258 | 00:13:00,583 | 00:13:03,417 | online, like many others. | online, like many others. |
259 | 00:13:03,417 | 00:13:06,208 | al-Awlaki: Whenever you see the word "terrorist", | al-Awlaki: Whenever you see the word "terrorist", |
260 | 00:13:06,208 | 00:13:07,583 | replace it with the word... | replace it with the word... |
261 | 00:13:07,583 | 00:13:09,417 | "Mujahid," which is the Arabic word | "Mujahid," which is the Arabic word |
262 | 00:13:09,417 | 00:13:11,750 | for someone who wages jihad. | for someone who wages jihad. |
263 | 00:13:11,750 | 00:13:13,834 | Whenever you see the word "terrorism", | Whenever you see the word "terrorism", |
264 | 00:13:13,834 | 00:13:15,792 | replace it with the word "jihad." | replace it with the word "jihad." |
265 | 00:13:15,792 | 00:13:18,000 | Totally transferred its understanding | Totally transferred its understanding |
266 | 00:13:18,000 | 00:13:20,458 | to equate going out onto the street, | to equate going out onto the street, |
267 | 00:13:20,458 | 00:13:21,792 | outside of your house, | outside of your house, |
268 | 00:13:21,792 | 00:13:24,166 | and just killing a random civilian | and just killing a random civilian |
269 | 00:13:24,166 | 00:13:27,083 | as if you were waging holy war. | as if you were waging holy war. |
270 | 00:13:27,083 | 00:13:29,834 | We have chosen the path of war | We have chosen the path of war |
271 | 00:13:29,834 | 00:13:32,917 | in order to defend ourselves from your oppression. | in order to defend ourselves from your oppression. |
272 | 00:13:32,917 | 00:13:35,166 | The legacy that he left is in the message. | The legacy that he left is in the message. |
273 | 00:13:35,166 | 00:13:36,834 | God willing... | God willing... |
274 | 00:13:36,834 | 00:13:38,834 | Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, | Warsame: When I first started watching those videos, |
275 | 00:13:38,834 | 00:13:41,542 | the way he would talk, | the way he would talk, |
276 | 00:13:41,542 | 00:13:43,750 | it was almost like he was talking to you | it was almost like he was talking to you |
277 | 00:13:43,750 | 00:13:46,083 | and like you're the chosen one. | and like you're the chosen one. |
278 | 00:13:50,500 | 00:13:54,125 | Luger: Yesterday morning, FBI agents arrested six men | Luger: Yesterday morning, FBI agents arrested six men |
279 | 00:13:54,125 | 00:13:57,291 | charged by criminal complaint with conspiring | charged by criminal complaint with conspiring |
280 | 00:13:57,291 | 00:14:00,917 | and attempting to provide material support to ISIL. | and attempting to provide material support to ISIL. |
281 | 00:14:02,208 | 00:14:06,542 | To be clear, we have a terror-recruiting problem | To be clear, we have a terror-recruiting problem |
282 | 00:14:06,542 | 00:14:08,500 | in Minnesota. | in Minnesota. |
283 | 00:14:09,708 | 00:14:14,667 | My -- My goal was my son never be in a gang. | My -- My goal was my son never be in a gang. |
284 | 00:14:14,667 | 00:14:18,875 | I have seen a lot of Somali youth get killed | I have seen a lot of Somali youth get killed |
285 | 00:14:18,875 | 00:14:21,959 | because of gang members. | because of gang members. |
286 | 00:14:21,959 | 00:14:23,959 | Shreiber: Zak Warsame was brought to America | Shreiber: Zak Warsame was brought to America |
287 | 00:14:23,959 | 00:14:25,875 | as a refugee at 10 months old. | as a refugee at 10 months old. |
288 | 00:14:25,875 | 00:14:28,875 | His family settled in Minnesota, | His family settled in Minnesota, |
289 | 00:14:28,875 | 00:14:30,792 | where nearly one-third | where nearly one-third |
290 | 00:14:30,792 | 00:14:35,166 | of the American Somali population resides. | of the American Somali population resides. |
291 | 00:14:35,166 | 00:14:37,792 | Zak grew up in Minneapolis, | Zak grew up in Minneapolis, |
292 | 00:14:37,792 | 00:14:41,500 | often referred to as Little Mogadishu. | often referred to as Little Mogadishu. |
293 | 00:14:41,500 | 00:14:42,542 | Warsame: If you're the new-generation Somali, | Warsame: If you're the new-generation Somali, |
294 | 00:14:42,542 | 00:14:45,417 | living in Minnesota, | living in Minnesota, |
295 | 00:14:45,417 | 00:14:48,291 | you have all these different identities. | you have all these different identities. |
296 | 00:14:48,291 | 00:14:51,542 | You know, you're Somali, you're Muslim, | You know, you're Somali, you're Muslim, |
297 | 00:14:51,542 | 00:14:52,708 | and you're American, | and you're American, |
298 | 00:14:52,708 | 00:14:55,208 | and so it's kind of confusing. | and so it's kind of confusing. |
299 | 00:14:55,208 | 00:14:59,500 | I felt, at that time, that something was missing for me. | I felt, at that time, that something was missing for me. |
300 | 00:14:59,500 | 00:15:03,291 | I wanted him to learn, you know, | I wanted him to learn, you know, |
301 | 00:15:03,291 | 00:15:05,792 | his religion and practice it. | his religion and practice it. |
302 | 00:15:05,792 | 00:15:09,750 | [ Praying in native language ] | [ Praying in native language ] |
303 | 00:15:09,750 | 00:15:11,875 | Hussen: Because he learned the religion, | Hussen: Because he learned the religion, |
304 | 00:15:11,875 | 00:15:15,041 | I thought that, completely, my son, | I thought that, completely, my son, |
305 | 00:15:15,041 | 00:15:17,208 | he's in the right path. | he's in the right path. |
306 | 00:15:17,208 | 00:15:21,750 | I never thought that he's learning extremist Islam | I never thought that he's learning extremist Islam |
307 | 00:15:21,750 | 00:15:26,375 | or jihadist or those kind of stuff. | or jihadist or those kind of stuff. |
308 | 00:15:26,375 | 00:15:28,917 | He was normal Zak. | He was normal Zak. |
309 | 00:15:28,917 | 00:15:31,834 | Warsame: The mosques, they would preach in Somali. | Warsame: The mosques, they would preach in Somali. |
310 | 00:15:31,834 | 00:15:36,750 | And I really didn't know how to speak Somali fluently. | And I really didn't know how to speak Somali fluently. |
311 | 00:15:36,750 | 00:15:40,166 | I became more eager to learn about the religion. | I became more eager to learn about the religion. |
312 | 00:15:40,166 | 00:15:44,041 | One important aspect of Islam is the prophets. | One important aspect of Islam is the prophets. |
313 | 00:15:44,041 | 00:15:46,834 | I wanted to know more about their stories, | I wanted to know more about their stories, |
314 | 00:15:46,834 | 00:15:49,583 | and so, when I searched on YouTube | and so, when I searched on YouTube |
315 | 00:15:49,583 | 00:15:51,834 | "stories of the prophets," a video came up. | "stories of the prophets," a video came up. |
316 | 00:15:51,834 | 00:15:54,291 | Yunus, alaihis salam, | Yunus, alaihis salam, |
317 | 00:15:54,291 | 00:15:55,917 | was stuck in the stomach of the whale | was stuck in the stomach of the whale |
318 | 00:15:55,917 | 00:15:58,917 | under three levels of darkness. | under three levels of darkness. |
319 | 00:15:58,917 | 00:16:01,166 | Allah, azza wa jalla, delivered him to safety. | Allah, azza wa jalla, delivered him to safety. |
320 | 00:16:05,125 | 00:16:08,041 | I felt like I was actually learning something, | I felt like I was actually learning something, |
321 | 00:16:08,041 | 00:16:11,125 | because he was speaking in English | because he was speaking in English |
322 | 00:16:11,125 | 00:16:13,333 | and I understood him, you know, more than I understood | and I understood him, you know, more than I understood |
323 | 00:16:13,333 | 00:16:15,792 | some of the imams at the local mosques. | some of the imams at the local mosques. |
324 | 00:16:15,792 | 00:16:18,583 | He would talk about prophecies | He would talk about prophecies |
325 | 00:16:18,583 | 00:16:21,625 | and how the end of the world was coming | and how the end of the world was coming |
326 | 00:16:21,625 | 00:16:25,125 | and how a group would emerge from Syria and Iraq. | and how a group would emerge from Syria and Iraq. |
327 | 00:16:25,125 | 00:16:29,166 | The reckoning of people is near. | The reckoning of people is near. |
328 | 00:16:29,166 | 00:16:31,125 | And so, when the civil war happened, | And so, when the civil war happened, |
329 | 00:16:31,125 | 00:16:34,625 | I saw it as this prophecy coming true. | I saw it as this prophecy coming true. |
330 | 00:16:34,625 | 00:16:37,500 | The more I listened, the more I had respect for him, | The more I listened, the more I had respect for him, |
331 | 00:16:37,500 | 00:16:42,250 | the more I became wrapped in this ideology. | the more I became wrapped in this ideology. |
332 | 00:16:42,250 | 00:16:43,208 | Everyone wants to raise their iman, | Everyone wants to raise their iman, |
333 | 00:16:43,208 | 00:16:45,333 | everyone wants to be a good Muslim. | everyone wants to be a good Muslim. |
334 | 00:16:45,333 | 00:16:48,333 | Miller: As you're watching these videos, you're saying, | Miller: As you're watching these videos, you're saying, |
335 | 00:16:48,333 | 00:16:52,000 | "This guy seems to understand me as an American. | "This guy seems to understand me as an American. |
336 | 00:16:52,000 | 00:16:55,667 | He seems to understand me as a Muslim. | He seems to understand me as a Muslim. |
337 | 00:16:55,667 | 00:16:59,250 | He seems to want to help me become a better person." | He seems to want to help me become a better person." |
338 | 00:16:59,250 | 00:17:01,792 | We want to be better than we are. | We want to be better than we are. |
339 | 00:17:01,792 | 00:17:03,917 | But we fall short. | But we fall short. |
340 | 00:17:03,917 | 00:17:06,625 | And then he makes a turn. | And then he makes a turn. |
341 | 00:17:06,625 | 00:17:09,667 | And this turn, you know, happens all of a sudden. | And this turn, you know, happens all of a sudden. |
342 | 00:17:09,667 | 00:17:11,583 | So now let's talk about | So now let's talk about |
343 | 00:17:11,583 | 00:17:14,667 | what the commitment that comes with that is. | what the commitment that comes with that is. |
344 | 00:17:14,667 | 00:17:17,834 | This needs sacrifice. | This needs sacrifice. |
345 | 00:17:17,834 | 00:17:21,041 | It needs willingness to give for Allah's order. | It needs willingness to give for Allah's order. |
346 | 00:17:21,041 | 00:17:23,375 | Warsame: When I wasn't at school or doing my homework | Warsame: When I wasn't at school or doing my homework |
347 | 00:17:23,375 | 00:17:27,041 | or out with my family, I was watching those videos. | or out with my family, I was watching those videos. |
348 | 00:17:27,041 | 00:17:29,041 | Most of the videos would talk about how, | Most of the videos would talk about how, |
349 | 00:17:29,041 | 00:17:30,208 | if you would engage in jihad, | if you would engage in jihad, |
350 | 00:17:30,208 | 00:17:33,000 | you would be doing not only yourself, | you would be doing not only yourself, |
351 | 00:17:33,000 | 00:17:34,291 | but your family, a favor | but your family, a favor |
352 | 00:17:34,291 | 00:17:36,000 | and that you'd be saving their lives | and that you'd be saving their lives |
353 | 00:17:36,000 | 00:17:38,208 | from eternal hellfire. | from eternal hellfire. |
354 | 00:17:38,208 | 00:17:41,667 | You were created for eternity. | You were created for eternity. |
355 | 00:17:41,667 | 00:17:44,667 | Whether it is in Jannah or it is in hellfire, | Whether it is in Jannah or it is in hellfire, |
356 | 00:17:44,667 | 00:17:46,625 | it is eternity. | it is eternity. |
357 | 00:17:46,625 | 00:17:51,458 | Awlaki and others played on people's emotions. | Awlaki and others played on people's emotions. |
358 | 00:17:51,458 | 00:17:54,375 | They used the Qur'anic verses and so forth | They used the Qur'anic verses and so forth |
359 | 00:17:54,375 | 00:17:58,041 | to interpret it in a way that they think can recruit | to interpret it in a way that they think can recruit |
360 | 00:17:58,041 | 00:17:59,834 | these young people to them, to their cult. | these young people to them, to their cult. |
361 | 00:17:59,834 | 00:18:02,208 | The only war that is justified is jihad, | The only war that is justified is jihad, |
362 | 00:18:02,208 | 00:18:04,208 | because that is for done for the sake | because that is for done for the sake |
363 | 00:18:04,208 | 00:18:05,750 | of Allah, azza wa jalla. | of Allah, azza wa jalla. |
364 | 00:18:05,750 | 00:18:09,500 | Awlaki has given them a simplified, bite-sized, | Awlaki has given them a simplified, bite-sized, |
365 | 00:18:09,500 | 00:18:11,750 | dumbed-down version of the ideology, | dumbed-down version of the ideology, |
366 | 00:18:11,750 | 00:18:12,875 | that the majority of Muslims | that the majority of Muslims |
367 | 00:18:12,875 | 00:18:15,458 | don't see as a legitimate version of their religion. | don't see as a legitimate version of their religion. |
368 | 00:18:15,458 | 00:18:19,708 | You're not doing Islam a favor by modifying Islam | You're not doing Islam a favor by modifying Islam |
369 | 00:18:19,708 | 00:18:22,333 | to fit into what they want to hear. | to fit into what they want to hear. |
370 | 00:18:22,333 | 00:18:26,041 | He knew Islam very, very well, so he had the authority, | He knew Islam very, very well, so he had the authority, |
371 | 00:18:26,041 | 00:18:27,417 | he had a legitimacy as a preacher, | he had a legitimacy as a preacher, |
372 | 00:18:27,417 | 00:18:31,041 | and that meant that his audience were taking his word for it. | and that meant that his audience were taking his word for it. |
373 | 00:18:31,041 | 00:18:34,250 | All that they want is to deceive you from your religion. | All that they want is to deceive you from your religion. |
374 | 00:18:34,250 | 00:18:36,875 | They told them, "All of you good Muslims, | They told them, "All of you good Muslims, |
375 | 00:18:36,875 | 00:18:39,125 | you have to listen to these particular scholars, | you have to listen to these particular scholars, |
376 | 00:18:39,125 | 00:18:41,542 | you have to learn these particular books, | you have to learn these particular books, |
377 | 00:18:41,542 | 00:18:43,250 | and by the way, you need to also think | and by the way, you need to also think |
378 | 00:18:43,250 | 00:18:45,500 | about the suffering of Muslims around the world." | about the suffering of Muslims around the world." |
379 | 00:18:45,500 | 00:18:48,166 | There are Muslim brothers who are in jail. | There are Muslim brothers who are in jail. |
380 | 00:18:48,166 | 00:18:51,166 | Every sinister method of interrogation | Every sinister method of interrogation |
381 | 00:18:51,166 | 00:18:52,625 | is used against them. | is used against them. |
382 | 00:18:52,625 | 00:18:54,834 | "You're an American, and you're a Muslim, | "You're an American, and you're a Muslim, |
383 | 00:18:54,834 | 00:18:56,125 | but, primarily, you're a Muslim. | but, primarily, you're a Muslim. |
384 | 00:18:56,125 | 00:18:58,291 | And you look around the world, | And you look around the world, |
385 | 00:18:58,291 | 00:18:59,917 | there's this war on Islam taking place. | there's this war on Islam taking place. |
386 | 00:18:59,917 | 00:19:01,542 | They are oppressing your brothers and sisters. | They are oppressing your brothers and sisters. |
387 | 00:19:01,542 | 00:19:03,333 | They are killing your brothers and sisters. | They are killing your brothers and sisters. |
388 | 00:19:03,333 | 00:19:05,375 | And you're sitting in America doing what? Nothing." | And you're sitting in America doing what? Nothing." |
389 | 00:19:05,375 | 00:19:07,542 | Maybe Allah, azza wa jalla, | Maybe Allah, azza wa jalla, |
390 | 00:19:07,542 | 00:19:10,750 | will unify us and end the bloodshed | will unify us and end the bloodshed |
391 | 00:19:10,750 | 00:19:13,417 | that is happening among us, through you. | that is happening among us, through you. |
392 | 00:19:13,417 | 00:19:16,291 | Warsame: All those lectures would talk about | Warsame: All those lectures would talk about |
393 | 00:19:16,291 | 00:19:18,667 | how this is a time for action. | how this is a time for action. |
394 | 00:19:18,667 | 00:19:22,834 | And so we decided we should bring about some action. | And so we decided we should bring about some action. |
395 | 00:19:23,834 | 00:19:26,792 | Shreiber: Zak was arrested along with several others, | Shreiber: Zak was arrested along with several others, |
396 | 00:19:26,792 | 00:19:27,792 | charged with conspiracy | charged with conspiracy |
397 | 00:19:27,792 | 00:19:31,458 | to provide material support for terrorism. | to provide material support for terrorism. |
398 | 00:19:31,458 | 00:19:34,417 | Hussen: It's not only this group. | Hussen: It's not only this group. |
399 | 00:19:34,417 | 00:19:35,417 | A lot of people, | A lot of people, |
400 | 00:19:35,417 | 00:19:38,375 | all over the world, are watching this guy. | all over the world, are watching this guy. |
401 | 00:19:45,000 | 00:19:47,708 | [ Praying in Arabic ] | [ Praying in Arabic ] |
402 | 00:19:50,417 | 00:19:52,458 | Magid: I'm the imam of ADAMS Center, | Magid: I'm the imam of ADAMS Center, |
403 | 00:19:52,458 | 00:19:53,750 | which is a mosque in Virginia. | which is a mosque in Virginia. |
404 | 00:19:53,750 | 00:19:56,041 | Very diverse. | Very diverse. |
405 | 00:19:56,041 | 00:19:57,750 | Girls: "On my honor, I will try..." | Girls: "On my honor, I will try..." |
406 | 00:19:57,750 | 00:19:58,542 | Magid: I'm an imam wearing many hats. | Magid: I'm an imam wearing many hats. |
407 | 00:19:58,542 | 00:20:00,959 | Aah! | Aah! |
408 | 00:20:00,959 | 00:20:02,583 | The same guy, with the same hat, | The same guy, with the same hat, |
409 | 00:20:02,583 | 00:20:06,542 | go to the hospital and deal with a person who's dying. | go to the hospital and deal with a person who's dying. |
410 | 00:20:06,542 | 00:20:08,917 | And then, in the evening, I officiate a marriage. | And then, in the evening, I officiate a marriage. |
411 | 00:20:08,917 | 00:20:10,375 | Your brother-in-law? | Your brother-in-law? |
412 | 00:20:10,375 | 00:20:13,542 | Imam role in America -- very complicated. | Imam role in America -- very complicated. |
413 | 00:20:14,625 | 00:20:18,458 | Shreiber: Of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, | Shreiber: Of the 1.5 billion Muslims in the world, |
414 | 00:20:18,458 | 00:20:21,834 | 3.3 million live in America. | 3.3 million live in America. |
415 | 00:20:21,834 | 00:20:25,458 | Of those, less than 300 have attempted to join ISIS. | Of those, less than 300 have attempted to join ISIS. |
416 | 00:20:28,166 | 00:20:30,458 | As an imam, I have to answer for all of that. | As an imam, I have to answer for all of that. |
417 | 00:20:30,458 | 00:20:35,125 | I have to answer for 1.5 billion people every day, | I have to answer for 1.5 billion people every day, |
418 | 00:20:35,125 | 00:20:36,792 | what they do, | what they do, |
419 | 00:20:36,792 | 00:20:40,708 | as if I'm the spokesman of all of them. | as if I'm the spokesman of all of them. |
420 | 00:20:40,708 | 00:20:43,208 | I counsel 25 families | I counsel 25 families |
421 | 00:20:43,208 | 00:20:45,750 | who their children have joined Daesh. | who their children have joined Daesh. |
422 | 00:20:50,792 | 00:20:52,417 | Two of them have been killed already now. | Two of them have been killed already now. |
423 | 00:20:52,417 | 00:20:56,417 | We did workshop here for the parents -- | We did workshop here for the parents -- |
424 | 00:20:56,417 | 00:21:02,375 | how to protect your children online. | how to protect your children online. |
425 | 00:21:02,375 | 00:21:05,750 | Daesh -- they have 24-hours connection with young people | Daesh -- they have 24-hours connection with young people |
426 | 00:21:05,750 | 00:21:08,250 | because they are with him in his bedroom. | because they are with him in his bedroom. |
427 | 00:21:08,250 | 00:21:09,583 | I am not. | I am not. |
428 | 00:21:09,583 | 00:21:13,291 | No person just decides, "I'm going to wake up tomorrow, | No person just decides, "I'm going to wake up tomorrow, |
429 | 00:21:13,291 | 00:21:14,917 | and I'm going to think about killing people." | and I'm going to think about killing people." |
430 | 00:21:14,917 | 00:21:17,583 | We know that the average time, right now, | We know that the average time, right now, |
431 | 00:21:17,583 | 00:21:21,542 | seems to be about 10 months for them to be indoctrinated. | seems to be about 10 months for them to be indoctrinated. |
432 | 00:21:21,542 | 00:21:24,917 | People who are trying to pull young people | People who are trying to pull young people |
433 | 00:21:24,917 | 00:21:26,208 | in towards extremist groups, | in towards extremist groups, |
434 | 00:21:26,208 | 00:21:29,500 | they spend a lot of time online building new relationships. | they spend a lot of time online building new relationships. |
435 | 00:21:30,542 | 00:21:33,959 | In Europe, you have face-to-face recruitment. | In Europe, you have face-to-face recruitment. |
436 | 00:21:33,959 | 00:21:35,792 | In the United States, the situation | In the United States, the situation |
437 | 00:21:35,792 | 00:21:37,375 | is a little bit different. | is a little bit different. |
438 | 00:21:37,375 | 00:21:40,250 | The threat has mostly been through the Internet, | The threat has mostly been through the Internet, |
439 | 00:21:40,250 | 00:21:42,000 | through social media. | through social media. |
440 | 00:21:42,000 | 00:21:43,625 | [ Gunshot ] | [ Gunshot ] |
441 | 00:21:43,625 | 00:21:45,834 | They have the understanding of how to use Twitter, | They have the understanding of how to use Twitter, |
442 | 00:21:45,834 | 00:21:48,125 | how to use Telegram, how to use Facebook, | how to use Telegram, how to use Facebook, |
443 | 00:21:48,125 | 00:21:52,083 | and in many ways, they're able to recruit that way even easier. | and in many ways, they're able to recruit that way even easier. |
444 | 00:21:54,083 | 00:21:56,375 | Brothers and sisters, we are on the verge | Brothers and sisters, we are on the verge |
445 | 00:21:56,375 | 00:21:58,583 | of an Islamic revival. | of an Islamic revival. |
446 | 00:21:58,583 | 00:22:01,208 | There are more and more Muslims | There are more and more Muslims |
447 | 00:22:01,208 | 00:22:04,041 | who are coming to the conclusion | who are coming to the conclusion |
448 | 00:22:04,041 | 00:22:07,000 | that jihad must be part of our program of revival | that jihad must be part of our program of revival |
449 | 00:22:07,000 | 00:22:08,750 | and change in the Muslim world. | and change in the Muslim world. |
450 | 00:22:08,750 | 00:22:11,458 | Soufan: Al-Awlaki's ability to speak English, | Soufan: Al-Awlaki's ability to speak English, |
451 | 00:22:11,458 | 00:22:14,667 | to communicate to Western audience in a way | to communicate to Western audience in a way |
452 | 00:22:14,667 | 00:22:18,667 | that no one else from the extremist movement can, | that no one else from the extremist movement can, |
453 | 00:22:18,667 | 00:22:22,000 | made him a popular figure for al-Qaeda | made him a popular figure for al-Qaeda |
454 | 00:22:22,000 | 00:22:24,834 | and now even ISIS. | and now even ISIS. |
455 | 00:22:24,834 | 00:22:28,000 | But al-Awlaki himself, what made him an extremist? | But al-Awlaki himself, what made him an extremist? |
456 | 00:22:29,500 | 00:22:33,166 | Shreiber: Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971. | Shreiber: Awlaki was born in New Mexico in 1971. |
457 | 00:22:34,875 | 00:22:37,542 | When he was 7, he moved to Yemen with his family. | When he was 7, he moved to Yemen with his family. |
458 | 00:22:37,542 | 00:22:40,083 | [ Man praying in Arabic ] | [ Man praying in Arabic ] |
459 | 00:22:40,083 | 00:22:43,000 | The son of a prominent Yemeni government official, | The son of a prominent Yemeni government official, |
460 | 00:22:43,000 | 00:22:45,750 | he grew up in a conservative Muslim society. | he grew up in a conservative Muslim society. |
461 | 00:22:48,667 | 00:22:51,000 | He returned to the U.S. to attend Colorado State University | He returned to the U.S. to attend Colorado State University |
462 | 00:22:51,000 | 00:22:53,542 | in Fort Collins, | in Fort Collins, |
463 | 00:22:53,542 | 00:22:56,375 | where he served as imam at the local mosque. | where he served as imam at the local mosque. |
464 | 00:22:57,959 | 00:23:00,542 | Around this time, he began a series of trips | Around this time, he began a series of trips |
465 | 00:23:00,542 | 00:23:03,542 | to London to attend Islamic conferences. | to London to attend Islamic conferences. |
466 | 00:23:03,542 | 00:23:06,583 | It was in London where Awlaki was exposed | It was in London where Awlaki was exposed |
467 | 00:23:06,583 | 00:23:09,458 | to the ultraconservative strain of Islam | to the ultraconservative strain of Islam |
468 | 00:23:09,458 | 00:23:12,375 | known as Salafi jihadism. | known as Salafi jihadism. |
469 | 00:23:12,375 | 00:23:14,792 | Hitchens: Salafi jihadism is a fusion | Hitchens: Salafi jihadism is a fusion |
470 | 00:23:14,792 | 00:23:17,708 | between fundamentalist interpretation of Islam | between fundamentalist interpretation of Islam |
471 | 00:23:17,708 | 00:23:20,625 | and politicized Islamism. | and politicized Islamism. |
472 | 00:23:20,625 | 00:23:22,875 | Essentially, this says, "It is not only a desire | Essentially, this says, "It is not only a desire |
473 | 00:23:22,875 | 00:23:26,458 | for us to change the planet and create an Islamic state, | for us to change the planet and create an Islamic state, |
474 | 00:23:26,458 | 00:23:28,291 | which will eventually encompass the globe, | which will eventually encompass the globe, |
475 | 00:23:28,291 | 00:23:30,375 | it's a duty upon all Muslims | it's a duty upon all Muslims |
476 | 00:23:30,375 | 00:23:32,333 | to fight in order to achieve this." | to fight in order to achieve this." |
477 | 00:23:39,834 | 00:23:43,208 | These were guys who did not begin with the intention | These were guys who did not begin with the intention |
478 | 00:23:43,208 | 00:23:45,250 | of creating a terrorist movement in the West. | of creating a terrorist movement in the West. |
479 | 00:23:45,250 | 00:23:48,667 | Salafi jihadism came to the West | Salafi jihadism came to the West |
480 | 00:23:48,667 | 00:23:51,917 | after the ousting of the Soviets from Afghanistan. | after the ousting of the Soviets from Afghanistan. |
481 | 00:23:51,917 | 00:23:54,333 | A number of those people who fought in that jihad | A number of those people who fought in that jihad |
482 | 00:23:54,333 | 00:23:55,708 | dispersed around the globe. | dispersed around the globe. |
483 | 00:23:55,708 | 00:23:57,041 | Some of them went back | Some of them went back |
484 | 00:23:57,041 | 00:23:58,583 | to their home countries in the Middle East | to their home countries in the Middle East |
485 | 00:23:58,583 | 00:23:59,417 | and then were kicked out of these countries | and then were kicked out of these countries |
486 | 00:23:59,417 | 00:24:01,917 | by secular dictatorships as exiles, | by secular dictatorships as exiles, |
487 | 00:24:01,917 | 00:24:03,750 | and many of them went to Europe. | and many of them went to Europe. |
488 | 00:24:03,750 | 00:24:06,041 | Many of them actually went to London. | Many of them actually went to London. |
489 | 00:24:06,041 | 00:24:08,041 | Salafi preacher: My dear Muslims, when you speak | Salafi preacher: My dear Muslims, when you speak |
490 | 00:24:08,041 | 00:24:10,000 | to the Muslims today, and say to them, | to the Muslims today, and say to them, |
491 | 00:24:10,000 | 00:24:12,834 | "We need to establish the domination of Islam." | "We need to establish the domination of Islam." |
492 | 00:24:12,834 | 00:24:15,375 | It essentially created a milieu of Salafis | It essentially created a milieu of Salafis |
493 | 00:24:15,375 | 00:24:16,792 | and Salafi jihadis who were working together, | and Salafi jihadis who were working together, |
494 | 00:24:16,792 | 00:24:20,125 | helping spread this interpretation of the religion. | helping spread this interpretation of the religion. |
495 | 00:24:20,125 | 00:24:23,083 | Imam Anwar al-Awlaki. | Imam Anwar al-Awlaki. |
496 | 00:24:23,083 | 00:24:24,291 | [ Applause ] | [ Applause ] |
497 | 00:24:24,291 | 00:24:28,083 | Hitchens: Awlaki was certainly a member of that milieu, | Hitchens: Awlaki was certainly a member of that milieu, |
498 | 00:24:28,083 | 00:24:30,166 | and he was among those who helped take it | and he was among those who helped take it |
499 | 00:24:30,166 | 00:24:31,291 | over to the United States. | over to the United States. |
500 | 00:24:31,291 | 00:24:33,125 | There are millions of Muslims | There are millions of Muslims |
501 | 00:24:33,125 | 00:24:36,500 | who lack the basic understanding of the foundations of Islam. | who lack the basic understanding of the foundations of Islam. |
502 | 00:24:36,500 | 00:24:39,041 | Guys like Awlaki were able to take Salafi jihadism, | Guys like Awlaki were able to take Salafi jihadism, |
503 | 00:24:39,041 | 00:24:41,000 | take its key tenets, and westernize them. | take its key tenets, and westernize them. |
504 | 00:24:41,000 | 00:24:43,458 | So, for example, | So, for example, |
505 | 00:24:43,458 | 00:24:46,458 | one of the key teachings in Salafi jihadism | one of the key teachings in Salafi jihadism |
506 | 00:24:46,458 | 00:24:48,834 | is that there is a war on Islam taking place. | is that there is a war on Islam taking place. |
507 | 00:24:48,834 | 00:24:50,667 | The Palestinian issue should be something | The Palestinian issue should be something |
508 | 00:24:50,667 | 00:24:52,959 | that we are concerned about day and night... | that we are concerned about day and night... |
509 | 00:24:52,959 | 00:24:56,834 | For an American Muslim, on the face of it, that's a hard sell. | For an American Muslim, on the face of it, that's a hard sell. |
510 | 00:24:56,834 | 00:24:59,542 | ...and let them know that the American Muslims are with you. | ...and let them know that the American Muslims are with you. |
511 | 00:24:59,542 | 00:25:01,041 | Awlaki had to figure out a way | Awlaki had to figure out a way |
512 | 00:25:01,041 | 00:25:03,250 | to sell this war on Islam to his followers. | to sell this war on Islam to his followers. |
513 | 00:25:03,250 | 00:25:05,500 | And we're seeing them bleeding to death. | And we're seeing them bleeding to death. |
514 | 00:25:05,500 | 00:25:07,083 | What are we doing for them? | What are we doing for them? |
515 | 00:25:07,083 | 00:25:10,500 | He was very good at connecting with an audience. | He was very good at connecting with an audience. |
516 | 00:25:10,500 | 00:25:12,458 | He had, you know, storytelling skills | He had, you know, storytelling skills |
517 | 00:25:12,458 | 00:25:15,083 | and kind of an emotional depth | and kind of an emotional depth |
518 | 00:25:15,083 | 00:25:18,250 | to what he said that really distinguished himself. | to what he said that really distinguished himself. |
519 | 00:25:18,250 | 00:25:23,834 | The key to the solution is right here, | The key to the solution is right here, |
520 | 00:25:23,834 | 00:25:25,750 | in our hearts. | in our hearts. |
521 | 00:25:25,750 | 00:25:28,500 | Shreiber: Awlaki's reputation for preaching | Shreiber: Awlaki's reputation for preaching |
522 | 00:25:28,500 | 00:25:31,041 | earned him an invitation to be the head imam | earned him an invitation to be the head imam |
523 | 00:25:31,041 | 00:25:34,166 | at the Al-Ribat Al-Islami mosque in San Diego. | at the Al-Ribat Al-Islami mosque in San Diego. |
524 | 00:25:35,500 | 00:25:38,500 | As human beings, we're limited by our frames of reference. | As human beings, we're limited by our frames of reference. |
525 | 00:25:38,500 | 00:25:41,500 | Berger: On the one hand, he was known | Berger: On the one hand, he was known |
526 | 00:25:41,500 | 00:25:44,250 | as being kind of a firebrand of a preacher. | as being kind of a firebrand of a preacher. |
527 | 00:25:44,250 | 00:25:46,500 | At the same time, | At the same time, |
528 | 00:25:46,500 | 00:25:47,959 | he's got this other secret life, | he's got this other secret life, |
529 | 00:25:47,959 | 00:25:49,583 | where he's visiting underage prostitutes | where he's visiting underage prostitutes |
530 | 00:25:49,583 | 00:25:52,458 | and engaged in, like, a lot of behavior | and engaged in, like, a lot of behavior |
531 | 00:25:52,458 | 00:25:54,250 | that none of his other audiences | that none of his other audiences |
532 | 00:25:54,250 | 00:25:56,792 | would have appreciated. | would have appreciated. |
533 | 00:26:10,166 | 00:26:14,083 | Soufan: Guys like Awlaki, they talk about being pious, | Soufan: Guys like Awlaki, they talk about being pious, |
534 | 00:26:14,083 | 00:26:16,667 | but, actually, in reality, they are not. | but, actually, in reality, they are not. |
535 | 00:26:16,667 | 00:26:17,667 | They are narcissists, | They are narcissists, |
536 | 00:26:17,667 | 00:26:21,500 | and they only care about themselves. | and they only care about themselves. |
537 | 00:26:21,500 | 00:26:25,000 | He did not lead the life that he was preaching. | He did not lead the life that he was preaching. |
538 | 00:26:25,000 | 00:26:27,250 | And he was arrested a few times | And he was arrested a few times |
539 | 00:26:27,250 | 00:26:29,208 | because of prostitution. | because of prostitution. |
540 | 00:26:30,375 | 00:26:35,250 | But Awlaki managed to keep his arrest record under wraps. | But Awlaki managed to keep his arrest record under wraps. |
541 | 00:26:35,250 | 00:26:39,792 | His growing popularity landed him the coveted position of imam | His growing popularity landed him the coveted position of imam |
542 | 00:26:39,792 | 00:26:41,834 | at the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia. | at the Dar Al-Hijrah mosque in Falls Church, Virginia. |
543 | 00:26:43,750 | 00:26:45,917 | We always hear that there is hatred | We always hear that there is hatred |
544 | 00:26:45,917 | 00:26:47,250 | against the United States. | against the United States. |
545 | 00:26:47,250 | 00:26:48,917 | That's not true. | That's not true. |
546 | 00:26:48,917 | 00:26:51,959 | There is anger and resentment, but not hatred. | There is anger and resentment, but not hatred. |
547 | 00:26:51,959 | 00:26:54,041 | Schmidt: He knew his power over an audience, | Schmidt: He knew his power over an audience, |
548 | 00:26:54,333 | 00:26:56,417 | and that's one of the reasons Dar Al-Hijrah | and that's one of the reasons Dar Al-Hijrah |
549 | 00:26:56,417 | 00:26:59,083 | hired him in the first place. | hired him in the first place. |
550 | 00:26:59,083 | 00:27:01,250 | They wanted somebody who could bring in | They wanted somebody who could bring in |
551 | 00:27:01,250 | 00:27:03,208 | younger Muslims to their mosque. | younger Muslims to their mosque. |
552 | 00:27:05,291 | 00:27:08,291 | He had gained some prominence in the local media | He had gained some prominence in the local media |
553 | 00:27:08,291 | 00:27:10,834 | as being sort of this articulate voice | as being sort of this articulate voice |
554 | 00:27:10,834 | 00:27:15,542 | for good relations with the community. | for good relations with the community. |
555 | 00:27:15,542 | 00:27:16,959 | The Muslim world does not understand the U.S., | The Muslim world does not understand the U.S., |
556 | 00:27:16,959 | 00:27:20,792 | and the U.S. does not understand the Muslim world. | and the U.S. does not understand the Muslim world. |
557 | 00:27:21,333 | 00:27:22,458 | I first met Anwar al-Awlaki | I first met Anwar al-Awlaki |
558 | 00:27:22,458 | 00:27:26,625 | when he was appointed the imam of Dar Al-Hijrah. | when he was appointed the imam of Dar Al-Hijrah. |
559 | 00:27:26,625 | 00:27:28,667 | What is the role American Muslims have played? | What is the role American Muslims have played? |
560 | 00:27:28,667 | 00:27:31,667 | There was nothing particularly odd | There was nothing particularly odd |
561 | 00:27:31,667 | 00:27:33,041 | about his sermons that, you know, | about his sermons that, you know, |
562 | 00:27:33,041 | 00:27:34,875 | would have raised a red flag. | would have raised a red flag. |
563 | 00:27:34,875 | 00:27:37,750 | As a matter of fact, he was promoting harmonious relations | As a matter of fact, he was promoting harmonious relations |
564 | 00:27:37,750 | 00:27:39,583 | between Muslims and non-Muslims. | between Muslims and non-Muslims. |
565 | 00:27:39,583 | 00:27:43,041 | The American Muslim population are the bridge | The American Muslim population are the bridge |
566 | 00:27:43,041 | 00:27:45,875 | between America and the Muslim world. | between America and the Muslim world. |
567 | 00:27:45,875 | 00:27:48,083 | Royer: But always there was that undercurrent | Royer: But always there was that undercurrent |
568 | 00:27:48,083 | 00:27:49,792 | of "us versus them," | of "us versus them," |
569 | 00:27:49,792 | 00:27:52,667 | you know, sort of attitude, that was there. | you know, sort of attitude, that was there. |
570 | 00:27:55,166 | 00:27:56,917 | Jennings: What you're looking at is the current scene | Jennings: What you're looking at is the current scene |
571 | 00:27:56,917 | 00:28:01,291 | at this moment at the World Trade Center. | at this moment at the World Trade Center. |
572 | 00:28:01,291 | 00:28:03,000 | ABC's John Miller is with us -- | ABC's John Miller is with us -- |
573 | 00:28:03,000 | 00:28:06,208 | John, who's one of our leading reporters on crime. | John, who's one of our leading reporters on crime. |
574 | 00:28:07,500 | 00:28:10,834 | Miller: Usually, during these things, there's a basic calm | Miller: Usually, during these things, there's a basic calm |
575 | 00:28:10,834 | 00:28:15,000 | over the police radios among emergency workers. | over the police radios among emergency workers. |
576 | 00:28:15,000 | 00:28:17,333 | Um, I can hear them screaming. | Um, I can hear them screaming. |
577 | 00:28:19,834 | 00:28:21,750 | Miller: Everybody who lived through 9/11 | Miller: Everybody who lived through 9/11 |
578 | 00:28:21,750 | 00:28:28,291 | remembers how that froze our world, | remembers how that froze our world, |
579 | 00:28:28,291 | 00:28:32,125 | made us question our ability to be safe at home, | made us question our ability to be safe at home, |
580 | 00:28:32,125 | 00:28:34,417 | of our government's ability to protect us. | of our government's ability to protect us. |
581 | 00:28:34,417 | 00:28:37,417 | [ Radio chatter ] | [ Radio chatter ] |
582 | 00:28:37,417 | 00:28:39,959 | After September 11th, | After September 11th, |
583 | 00:28:39,959 | 00:28:42,708 | all of the feelings of the American Muslims | all of the feelings of the American Muslims |
584 | 00:28:42,708 | 00:28:46,208 | were feelings of sympathy for the victims | were feelings of sympathy for the victims |
585 | 00:28:46,208 | 00:28:49,250 | and a sense of that, | and a sense of that, |
586 | 00:28:49,250 | 00:28:52,291 | "Whoever did this needs to be brought to justice." | "Whoever did this needs to be brought to justice." |
587 | 00:28:53,375 | 00:28:56,208 | Shreiber: When the Joint Congressional Committee | Shreiber: When the Joint Congressional Committee |
588 | 00:28:56,208 | 00:28:57,959 | began investigating 9/11, | began investigating 9/11, |
589 | 00:28:57,959 | 00:29:00,583 | they discovered that Awlaki had connections | they discovered that Awlaki had connections |
590 | 00:29:00,583 | 00:29:02,667 | to three of the hijackers. | to three of the hijackers. |
591 | 00:29:04,625 | 00:29:06,375 | Awlaki, by coincidence, | Awlaki, by coincidence, |
592 | 00:29:06,375 | 00:29:08,041 | happened to be in the same mosque | happened to be in the same mosque |
593 | 00:29:08,041 | 00:29:09,083 | attended by some of the hijackers. | attended by some of the hijackers. |
594 | 00:29:09,083 | 00:29:12,583 | And by coincidence, he moved to the East Coast | And by coincidence, he moved to the East Coast |
595 | 00:29:12,583 | 00:29:14,792 | and happened to be in the same mosque | and happened to be in the same mosque |
596 | 00:29:14,792 | 00:29:18,166 | that is also attended by some of the hijackers. | that is also attended by some of the hijackers. |
597 | 00:29:20,750 | 00:29:23,792 | Berger: When you look at the timeline, | Berger: When you look at the timeline, |
598 | 00:29:23,792 | 00:29:25,041 | how these guys traveled, how they interacted, | how these guys traveled, how they interacted, |
599 | 00:29:25,041 | 00:29:27,417 | how they met with him behind closed doors, | how they met with him behind closed doors, |
600 | 00:29:27,417 | 00:29:29,625 | and the help he gave them in each location, | and the help he gave them in each location, |
601 | 00:29:29,625 | 00:29:33,208 | there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire. | there's an awful lot of smoke for there not to be any fire. |
602 | 00:29:34,083 | 00:29:36,542 | Schmidt: A number of us in the press | Schmidt: A number of us in the press |
603 | 00:29:36,542 | 00:29:39,583 | became very interested in Awlaki in 2002, | became very interested in Awlaki in 2002, |
604 | 00:29:39,583 | 00:29:42,917 | because the Congressional inquiry spotlighted Awlaki. | because the Congressional inquiry spotlighted Awlaki. |
605 | 00:29:43,959 | 00:29:46,708 | There were portions of that report, | There were portions of that report, |
606 | 00:29:46,708 | 00:29:48,083 | 28 pages, | 28 pages, |
607 | 00:29:48,083 | 00:29:50,000 | which were redacted in their entirety. | which were redacted in their entirety. |
608 | 00:29:52,750 | 00:29:57,125 | As a reporter, that made this ever more intriguing. | As a reporter, that made this ever more intriguing. |
609 | 00:29:59,250 | 00:30:01,959 | Come to find out that this was the time period | Come to find out that this was the time period |
610 | 00:30:01,959 | 00:30:06,000 | where he was soliciting prostitutes in Washington. | where he was soliciting prostitutes in Washington. |
611 | 00:30:06,000 | 00:30:08,583 | He found out the FBI knew about it, | He found out the FBI knew about it, |
612 | 00:30:08,583 | 00:30:11,959 | and he may have been concerned that was going to come out. | and he may have been concerned that was going to come out. |
613 | 00:30:13,583 | 00:30:14,792 | He realizes that he's not going to be able | He realizes that he's not going to be able |
614 | 00:30:14,792 | 00:30:17,542 | to live in the United States anymore | to live in the United States anymore |
615 | 00:30:17,542 | 00:30:20,834 | because of the scrutiny he's under from the FBI. | because of the scrutiny he's under from the FBI. |
616 | 00:30:20,834 | 00:30:21,959 | He goes to London. | He goes to London. |
617 | 00:30:21,959 | 00:30:24,959 | They are plotting to kill this religion. | They are plotting to kill this religion. |
618 | 00:30:24,959 | 00:30:27,542 | He becomes progressively more radical, | He becomes progressively more radical, |
619 | 00:30:27,542 | 00:30:30,250 | and it starts to become a hostile environment | and it starts to become a hostile environment |
620 | 00:30:30,250 | 00:30:31,792 | for him there, too. | for him there, too. |
621 | 00:30:31,792 | 00:30:34,708 | So he returned to Yemen. | So he returned to Yemen. |
622 | 00:30:34,708 | 00:30:39,250 | I'm speaking to you from Yemen at the moment. | I'm speaking to you from Yemen at the moment. |
623 | 00:30:39,250 | 00:30:40,166 | In Yemen, that's when we see | In Yemen, that's when we see |
624 | 00:30:40,166 | 00:30:41,834 | that he really becomes openly radical | that he really becomes openly radical |
625 | 00:30:41,834 | 00:30:44,542 | in the things he's talking about. | in the things he's talking about. |
626 | 00:30:44,542 | 00:30:46,041 | So, I want to talk to you about something that people | So, I want to talk to you about something that people |
627 | 00:30:46,041 | 00:30:50,291 | don't like to talk about, and this is jihad. | don't like to talk about, and this is jihad. |
628 | 00:30:51,625 | 00:30:53,125 | Shreiber: At the time, Awlaki's threats of jihad | Shreiber: At the time, Awlaki's threats of jihad |
629 | 00:30:53,125 | 00:30:56,834 | from Yemen paled by comparison to the threat | from Yemen paled by comparison to the threat |
630 | 00:30:56,834 | 00:31:00,166 | posed by bin Laden, who was still at large. | posed by bin Laden, who was still at large. |
631 | 00:31:00,166 | 00:31:01,834 | [ Machine-gun fire ] | [ Machine-gun fire ] |
632 | 00:31:01,834 | 00:31:04,333 | After a show of military force in Afghanistan, | After a show of military force in Afghanistan, |
633 | 00:31:04,333 | 00:31:06,291 | the U.S. quickly declared victory | the U.S. quickly declared victory |
634 | 00:31:06,291 | 00:31:08,375 | over the Taliban and al-Qaeda. | over the Taliban and al-Qaeda. |
635 | 00:31:11,917 | 00:31:14,417 | And FBI special agent Ali Soufan | And FBI special agent Ali Soufan |
636 | 00:31:14,417 | 00:31:18,500 | was tracking bin Laden's operatives. | was tracking bin Laden's operatives. |
637 | 00:31:18,500 | 00:31:21,375 | Soufan: Al-Qaeda, after the loss in Afghanistan, | Soufan: Al-Qaeda, after the loss in Afghanistan, |
638 | 00:31:21,375 | 00:31:23,750 | after bin Laden is in hiding, | after bin Laden is in hiding, |
639 | 00:31:23,750 | 00:31:25,875 | they shifted from being chief operators | they shifted from being chief operators |
640 | 00:31:25,875 | 00:31:29,166 | to being chief motivators. | to being chief motivators. |
641 | 00:31:29,166 | 00:31:31,250 | And with that shift, | And with that shift, |
642 | 00:31:31,250 | 00:31:35,667 | the threat from al-Qaeda became the ideology -- | the threat from al-Qaeda became the ideology -- |
643 | 00:31:35,667 | 00:31:39,000 | the narrative of the organization. | the narrative of the organization. |
644 | 00:31:41,542 | 00:31:44,083 | Shreiber: That narrative found new roots in Iraq | Shreiber: That narrative found new roots in Iraq |
645 | 00:31:44,083 | 00:31:46,542 | when the United States turned its attention | when the United States turned its attention |
646 | 00:31:46,542 | 00:31:49,875 | to toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein. | to toppling the regime of Saddam Hussein. |
647 | 00:31:49,875 | 00:31:51,625 | In the minds of many, | In the minds of many, |
648 | 00:31:51,625 | 00:31:54,542 | this Western invasion of yet another Muslim country | this Western invasion of yet another Muslim country |
649 | 00:31:54,542 | 00:31:57,625 | was a call to arms. | was a call to arms. |
650 | 00:31:57,625 | 00:31:58,875 | Thousands of foreign fighters | Thousands of foreign fighters |
651 | 00:31:58,875 | 00:32:04,917 | flooded to Iraq in defense of Islam. | flooded to Iraq in defense of Islam. |
652 | 00:32:04,917 | 00:32:07,125 | In the years following 9/11, | In the years following 9/11, |
653 | 00:32:07,125 | 00:32:09,625 | the gaping hole in Lower Manhattan | the gaping hole in Lower Manhattan |
654 | 00:32:09,625 | 00:32:13,083 | was a constant reminder of the threat of terrorism. | was a constant reminder of the threat of terrorism. |
655 | 00:32:13,083 | 00:32:17,291 | In 1995, the Oklahoma City federal bombing attack | In 1995, the Oklahoma City federal bombing attack |
656 | 00:32:17,291 | 00:32:18,917 | killed 168 people. | killed 168 people. |
657 | 00:32:18,917 | 00:32:20,625 | It was right-wing extremists who did it. | It was right-wing extremists who did it. |
658 | 00:32:20,625 | 00:32:22,125 | And if you do the thought experiment | And if you do the thought experiment |
659 | 00:32:22,125 | 00:32:23,708 | when 9/11 didn't happen, | when 9/11 didn't happen, |
660 | 00:32:23,708 | 00:32:25,125 | we would be probably very concerned | we would be probably very concerned |
661 | 00:32:25,125 | 00:32:26,708 | about right-wing extremism. | about right-wing extremism. |
662 | 00:32:26,708 | 00:32:29,583 | But 9/11 did happen, and that's why we continue | But 9/11 did happen, and that's why we continue |
663 | 00:32:29,583 | 00:32:31,917 | to be very preoccupied by this subject. | to be very preoccupied by this subject. |
664 | 00:32:33,208 | 00:32:34,750 | Shreiber: Since 9/11, | Shreiber: Since 9/11, |
665 | 00:32:34,750 | 00:32:36,250 | there have been twice as many right-wing attacks | there have been twice as many right-wing attacks |
666 | 00:32:36,250 | 00:32:40,792 | versus jihadist attacks in the United States. | versus jihadist attacks in the United States. |
667 | 00:32:40,792 | 00:32:43,708 | Look at Dylann Roof, for example. | Look at Dylann Roof, for example. |
668 | 00:32:43,708 | 00:32:46,375 | If Dylann Roof's name was Muhammad, then, definitely, | If Dylann Roof's name was Muhammad, then, definitely, |
669 | 00:32:46,375 | 00:32:47,458 | it will be a terrorist attack. | it will be a terrorist attack. |
670 | 00:32:47,458 | 00:32:51,792 | But, in this case, it was considered a hate crime. | But, in this case, it was considered a hate crime. |
671 | 00:32:51,792 | 00:32:55,625 | When you have something from outside, | When you have something from outside, |
672 | 00:32:55,625 | 00:32:58,417 | something that's connected to wars | something that's connected to wars |
673 | 00:32:58,417 | 00:33:00,166 | in different regions, | in different regions, |
674 | 00:33:00,166 | 00:33:03,333 | something that you really don't understand, | something that you really don't understand, |
675 | 00:33:03,333 | 00:33:06,166 | I think people will be more scared. | I think people will be more scared. |
676 | 00:33:06,166 | 00:33:07,125 | It's an overreaction, | It's an overreaction, |
677 | 00:33:07,125 | 00:33:10,250 | but it's the intended overreaction. | but it's the intended overreaction. |
678 | 00:33:10,250 | 00:33:14,834 | The drama in terrorism is meant to create fear, | The drama in terrorism is meant to create fear, |
679 | 00:33:14,834 | 00:33:17,500 | and the ending, of course, is the carnage. | and the ending, of course, is the carnage. |
680 | 00:33:17,500 | 00:33:20,250 | [ Explosion ] | [ Explosion ] |
681 | 00:33:20,250 | 00:33:23,083 | Shreiber: Post-9/11, | Shreiber: Post-9/11, |
682 | 00:33:23,083 | 00:33:25,959 | al-Qaeda set its sights outside of the U.S... | al-Qaeda set its sights outside of the U.S... |
683 | 00:33:25,959 | 00:33:27,542 | [ People screaming ] | [ People screaming ] |
684 | 00:33:27,542 | 00:33:30,417 | ...Madrid... | ...Madrid... |
685 | 00:33:30,417 | 00:33:31,667 | Bali... | Bali... |
686 | 00:33:31,667 | 00:33:34,458 | Istanbul... | Istanbul... |
687 | 00:33:34,458 | 00:33:36,708 | Mumbai... | Mumbai... |
688 | 00:33:36,708 | 00:33:38,750 | London. | London. |
689 | 00:33:41,083 | 00:33:45,041 | Schmidt: By the time of the trials in London, | Schmidt: By the time of the trials in London, |
690 | 00:33:45,041 | 00:33:48,291 | when it emerged that Awlaki's lectures | when it emerged that Awlaki's lectures |
691 | 00:33:48,291 | 00:33:51,583 | were on people's hard drives, | were on people's hard drives, |
692 | 00:33:51,583 | 00:33:54,333 | that's the point where we decided, | that's the point where we decided, |
693 | 00:33:54,333 | 00:33:55,291 | at The Washington Post, | at The Washington Post, |
694 | 00:33:55,291 | 00:33:58,959 | we got to dig in a little bit more on this. | we got to dig in a little bit more on this. |
695 | 00:34:01,208 | 00:34:04,417 | Shreiber: When Sue Schmidt began digging back into the story, | Shreiber: When Sue Schmidt began digging back into the story, |
696 | 00:34:04,417 | 00:34:06,208 | she discovered Awlaki's connections | she discovered Awlaki's connections |
697 | 00:34:06,208 | 00:34:08,583 | to known terrorists prior to 9/11 | to known terrorists prior to 9/11 |
698 | 00:34:08,583 | 00:34:12,250 | that the FBI had looked into, but dropped. | that the FBI had looked into, but dropped. |
699 | 00:34:12,250 | 00:34:14,542 | Schmidt: I gathered string here and there. | Schmidt: I gathered string here and there. |
700 | 00:34:14,542 | 00:34:16,250 | There were stories about | There were stories about |
701 | 00:34:16,250 | 00:34:18,875 | when Awlaki was living in San Diego, | when Awlaki was living in San Diego, |
702 | 00:34:18,875 | 00:34:21,208 | he was visited by a procurement agent | he was visited by a procurement agent |
703 | 00:34:21,208 | 00:34:21,875 | for bin Laden. | for bin Laden. |
704 | 00:34:21,875 | 00:34:24,542 | [ Indistinct shouting ] | [ Indistinct shouting ] |
705 | 00:34:24,542 | 00:34:27,041 | He was also visited by an associate | He was also visited by an associate |
706 | 00:34:27,041 | 00:34:28,959 | of the blind Sheik Rahman, | of the blind Sheik Rahman, |
707 | 00:34:28,959 | 00:34:31,291 | who was by then already in prison. | who was by then already in prison. |
708 | 00:34:33,375 | 00:34:36,333 | So, the FBI opened these investigations. | So, the FBI opened these investigations. |
709 | 00:34:36,333 | 00:34:38,208 | Each went on for a couple of months. | Each went on for a couple of months. |
710 | 00:34:38,208 | 00:34:41,583 | They did not go anywhere, so they closed both of them. | They did not go anywhere, so they closed both of them. |
711 | 00:34:42,959 | 00:34:46,625 | Ironically, the second one, they closed a month or so | Ironically, the second one, they closed a month or so |
712 | 00:34:46,625 | 00:34:49,834 | after the hijackers had arrived in San Diego. | after the hijackers had arrived in San Diego. |
713 | 00:34:52,000 | 00:34:57,417 | In 2006, Awlaki was picked up by the Yemeni authorities. | In 2006, Awlaki was picked up by the Yemeni authorities. |
714 | 00:34:57,417 | 00:35:00,875 | It's a little murky why he was in jail. | It's a little murky why he was in jail. |
715 | 00:35:00,875 | 00:35:03,041 | There were reports that he was arrested | There were reports that he was arrested |
716 | 00:35:03,041 | 00:35:06,875 | for kidnapping issues. | for kidnapping issues. |
717 | 00:35:06,875 | 00:35:08,125 | The FBI was very interested | The FBI was very interested |
718 | 00:35:08,125 | 00:35:12,917 | in making a case against al-Awlaki, | in making a case against al-Awlaki, |
719 | 00:35:12,917 | 00:35:16,834 | but the Yemeni government let him out of jail | but the Yemeni government let him out of jail |
720 | 00:35:16,834 | 00:35:20,458 | somewhat unexpectedly at the end of 2007. | somewhat unexpectedly at the end of 2007. |
721 | 00:35:20,458 | 00:35:24,083 | Men: Allahu akbar wa lillahil-hamd! | Men: Allahu akbar wa lillahil-hamd! |
722 | 00:35:24,083 | 00:35:25,750 | Shreiber: On condition of anonymity, | Shreiber: On condition of anonymity, |
723 | 00:35:25,750 | 00:35:28,417 | a CIA operative finally gave Schmidt, | a CIA operative finally gave Schmidt, |
724 | 00:35:28,417 | 00:35:31,583 | on the record, the confirmation she was looking for. | on the record, the confirmation she was looking for. |
725 | 00:35:32,834 | 00:35:35,792 | Schmidt: U.S. intelligence officials | Schmidt: U.S. intelligence officials |
726 | 00:35:35,792 | 00:35:38,125 | were saying that they believed | were saying that they believed |
727 | 00:35:38,125 | 00:35:41,959 | he was an operational, active al-Qaeda terrorist. | he was an operational, active al-Qaeda terrorist. |
728 | 00:35:44,417 | 00:35:48,000 | Soufan: I think, when he became involved with al-Qaeda | Soufan: I think, when he became involved with al-Qaeda |
729 | 00:35:48,000 | 00:35:50,250 | in the Arabian Peninsula, | in the Arabian Peninsula, |
730 | 00:35:50,250 | 00:35:53,458 | also known as AQAP, | also known as AQAP, |
731 | 00:35:53,458 | 00:35:56,959 | he found a channel for his narcissism. | he found a channel for his narcissism. |
732 | 00:35:59,166 | 00:36:03,417 | And that was being the English spokesperson | And that was being the English spokesperson |
733 | 00:36:03,417 | 00:36:05,917 | for the narrative of al-Qaeda. | for the narrative of al-Qaeda. |
734 | 00:36:07,625 | 00:36:12,041 | Jihad will continue until the day of Judgment. | Jihad will continue until the day of Judgment. |
735 | 00:36:12,041 | 00:36:15,500 | It is youth who always, in history, | It is youth who always, in history, |
736 | 00:36:15,500 | 00:36:17,542 | bear the burden of change. | bear the burden of change. |
737 | 00:36:17,542 | 00:36:21,500 | If you have come out for jihad in my cause, | If you have come out for jihad in my cause, |
738 | 00:36:21,500 | 00:36:24,500 | the ones who will sacrifice their lives | the ones who will sacrifice their lives |
739 | 00:36:24,500 | 00:36:27,792 | and their wealth, their time and their belongings | and their wealth, their time and their belongings |
740 | 00:36:27,792 | 00:36:29,041 | for Allah, azza wa jalla, | for Allah, azza wa jalla, |
741 | 00:36:29,041 | 00:36:31,291 | will be given a lot of rewards | will be given a lot of rewards |
742 | 00:36:31,291 | 00:36:33,208 | from Allah, azza wa jalla. | from Allah, azza wa jalla. |
743 | 00:36:34,500 | 00:36:37,750 | [ Men speaking Arabic ] | [ Men speaking Arabic ] |
744 | 00:36:37,750 | 00:36:39,959 | I was never a supporter of al-Qaeda. | I was never a supporter of al-Qaeda. |
745 | 00:36:39,959 | 00:36:42,667 | I found al-Qaeda's views | I found al-Qaeda's views |
746 | 00:36:42,667 | 00:36:46,708 | to be repugnant to the religion of Islam. | to be repugnant to the religion of Islam. |
747 | 00:36:46,708 | 00:36:48,834 | I always deemed them to be a fringe group | I always deemed them to be a fringe group |
748 | 00:36:48,834 | 00:36:51,041 | that had nothing to do | that had nothing to do |
749 | 00:36:51,041 | 00:36:54,208 | with the actual jihad movement | with the actual jihad movement |
750 | 00:36:54,208 | 00:36:56,458 | that I was familiar with, from Bosnia. | that I was familiar with, from Bosnia. |
751 | 00:36:56,458 | 00:37:01,375 | Nevertheless, I was still an enthusiast of the mujahideen | Nevertheless, I was still an enthusiast of the mujahideen |
752 | 00:37:01,375 | 00:37:04,291 | that were fighting in Kashmir. | that were fighting in Kashmir. |
753 | 00:37:04,291 | 00:37:09,291 | I encouraged a friend that I had to go and get training there. | I encouraged a friend that I had to go and get training there. |
754 | 00:37:10,375 | 00:37:13,041 | Shreiber: For helping his friend travel to Pakistan | Shreiber: For helping his friend travel to Pakistan |
755 | 00:37:13,041 | 00:37:15,583 | to train with a jihadist group, | to train with a jihadist group, |
756 | 00:37:15,583 | 00:37:19,333 | Ismail Royer was arrested in 2003. | Ismail Royer was arrested in 2003. |
757 | 00:37:19,333 | 00:37:22,458 | He pled guilty and received a 20-year prison sentence. | He pled guilty and received a 20-year prison sentence. |
758 | 00:37:24,208 | 00:37:26,625 | Royer: Because I was in prison, | Royer: Because I was in prison, |
759 | 00:37:26,625 | 00:37:28,375 | I was only tangentially aware | I was only tangentially aware |
760 | 00:37:28,375 | 00:37:30,708 | of how important the Internet | of how important the Internet |
761 | 00:37:30,708 | 00:37:33,417 | had become in radicalization | had become in radicalization |
762 | 00:37:33,417 | 00:37:36,291 | until I met this crop of young people | until I met this crop of young people |
763 | 00:37:36,291 | 00:37:38,083 | who had come in | who had come in |
764 | 00:37:38,083 | 00:37:41,500 | after having been radicalized online. | after having been radicalized online. |
765 | 00:37:41,500 | 00:37:44,917 | This group of people were of a different degree altogether | This group of people were of a different degree altogether |
766 | 00:37:44,917 | 00:37:46,458 | of ideological extremism | of ideological extremism |
767 | 00:37:46,458 | 00:37:49,125 | than anyone I'd ever encountered before. | than anyone I'd ever encountered before. |
768 | 00:37:49,125 | 00:37:51,083 | Man: We tell you Muslims to rise up. | Man: We tell you Muslims to rise up. |
769 | 00:37:51,083 | 00:37:54,708 | To hell with every ideology, ism, and schism | To hell with every ideology, ism, and schism |
770 | 00:37:54,708 | 00:37:57,083 | that does not agree with our Islam. | that does not agree with our Islam. |
771 | 00:37:57,083 | 00:37:58,583 | Morton: I was handing out flyers | Morton: I was handing out flyers |
772 | 00:37:58,583 | 00:38:00,542 | on behalf of the Islamic Thinkers Society, | on behalf of the Islamic Thinkers Society, |
773 | 00:38:00,542 | 00:38:02,417 | and a young individual approached me | and a young individual approached me |
774 | 00:38:02,417 | 00:38:04,959 | and said that he agreed with our message, | and said that he agreed with our message, |
775 | 00:38:04,959 | 00:38:06,583 | and we became friends. | and we became friends. |
776 | 00:38:06,583 | 00:38:09,417 | Zachary Chesser was incredibly intelligent and articulate, | Zachary Chesser was incredibly intelligent and articulate, |
777 | 00:38:09,417 | 00:38:15,542 | but narcissistic to a degree that was scary. | but narcissistic to a degree that was scary. |
778 | 00:38:15,542 | 00:38:19,125 | He went from not being a Muslim at all to being a Muslim | He went from not being a Muslim at all to being a Muslim |
779 | 00:38:19,125 | 00:38:22,583 | and then on to becoming a staunch supporter | and then on to becoming a staunch supporter |
780 | 00:38:22,583 | 00:38:25,542 | of Anwar al-Awlaki almost overnight. | of Anwar al-Awlaki almost overnight. |
781 | 00:38:25,542 | 00:38:28,792 | He and Anwar al-Awlaki would communicate, | He and Anwar al-Awlaki would communicate, |
782 | 00:38:28,792 | 00:38:31,959 | like anybody else could, over e-mail -- general e-mail. | like anybody else could, over e-mail -- general e-mail. |
783 | 00:38:31,959 | 00:38:33,750 | I still remember Anwar al-Awlaki's, | I still remember Anwar al-Awlaki's, |
784 | 00:38:33,750 | 00:38:35,291 | you know, Yahoo account. | you know, Yahoo account. |
785 | 00:38:35,291 | 00:38:38,250 | We started to discuss the idea | We started to discuss the idea |
786 | 00:38:38,250 | 00:38:40,125 | of formulating a new organization. | of formulating a new organization. |
787 | 00:38:40,125 | 00:38:42,500 | So we started Revolution Muslim. | So we started Revolution Muslim. |
788 | 00:38:45,208 | 00:38:48,291 | Shreiber: Revolution Muslim posted anti-Western propaganda | Shreiber: Revolution Muslim posted anti-Western propaganda |
789 | 00:38:48,291 | 00:38:49,708 | on its blog and website | on its blog and website |
790 | 00:38:49,708 | 00:38:53,417 | to draw recruits to their cause. | to draw recruits to their cause. |
791 | 00:38:53,417 | 00:38:55,542 | The hits on the website went from couple hundred a day, | The hits on the website went from couple hundred a day, |
792 | 00:38:55,542 | 00:38:59,583 | in the beginning, to several thousand a day. | in the beginning, to several thousand a day. |
793 | 00:38:59,583 | 00:39:00,542 | The rate of people that go | The rate of people that go |
794 | 00:39:00,542 | 00:39:04,291 | from a radical, violent, extremist ideology | from a radical, violent, extremist ideology |
795 | 00:39:04,291 | 00:39:07,708 | to actually the commission of violence is very low. | to actually the commission of violence is very low. |
796 | 00:39:07,708 | 00:39:11,041 | But the more and more that you spread the ideology, | But the more and more that you spread the ideology, |
797 | 00:39:11,041 | 00:39:14,291 | that pool of recruits grows. | that pool of recruits grows. |
798 | 00:39:14,291 | 00:39:16,500 | And I remember, the very first public case | And I remember, the very first public case |
799 | 00:39:16,500 | 00:39:18,500 | that was connected to Revolution Muslim, | that was connected to Revolution Muslim, |
800 | 00:39:18,500 | 00:39:21,291 | and her name was, in the press, Jihad Jane. | and her name was, in the press, Jihad Jane. |
801 | 00:39:21,291 | 00:39:23,333 | Reporter: The woman behind the veil, | Reporter: The woman behind the veil, |
802 | 00:39:23,333 | 00:39:25,667 | Colleen LaRose, hiding behind alias "Jihad Jane," | Colleen LaRose, hiding behind alias "Jihad Jane," |
803 | 00:39:25,667 | 00:39:28,375 | recruited fellow radicals over the Internet. | recruited fellow radicals over the Internet. |
804 | 00:39:28,375 | 00:39:29,959 | Morton: It was a case of homegrown radicalization. | Morton: It was a case of homegrown radicalization. |
805 | 00:39:29,959 | 00:39:33,834 | And they asked her, "Well, what did you pay most attention to?" | And they asked her, "Well, what did you pay most attention to?" |
806 | 00:39:33,834 | 00:39:36,667 | She said, "I listened to the lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki, | She said, "I listened to the lectures of Anwar al-Awlaki, |
807 | 00:39:36,667 | 00:39:39,542 | and I watched this website that I loved, Revolution Muslim." | and I watched this website that I loved, Revolution Muslim." |
808 | 00:39:39,542 | 00:39:40,750 | With more on this, we go to Younus Abdullah Muhammad. | With more on this, we go to Younus Abdullah Muhammad. |
809 | 00:39:40,750 | 00:39:45,041 | He heads up the website revolutionmuslim.com. | He heads up the website revolutionmuslim.com. |
810 | 00:39:45,041 | 00:39:47,041 | Rather than talking about Jihad Jane, | Rather than talking about Jihad Jane, |
811 | 00:39:47,041 | 00:39:48,917 | they should have been talking about G.I. Joe. | they should have been talking about G.I. Joe. |
812 | 00:39:48,917 | 00:39:52,750 | Anwar al-Awlaki was proud and very happy about this case. | Anwar al-Awlaki was proud and very happy about this case. |
813 | 00:39:52,750 | 00:39:57,542 | And I remember he said, "Now Jihad" -- | And I remember he said, "Now Jihad" -- |
814 | 00:39:57,542 | 00:39:59,250 | basically, meaning "terrorism" -- | basically, meaning "terrorism" -- |
815 | 00:39:59,250 | 00:40:02,208 | "is as American as apple pie." | "is as American as apple pie." |
816 | 00:40:02,208 | 00:40:05,250 | A new terror recruiting video calls out by name | A new terror recruiting video calls out by name |
817 | 00:40:05,250 | 00:40:06,458 | a number of young Minnesota men | a number of young Minnesota men |
818 | 00:40:06,458 | 00:40:09,917 | who died fighting for al-Shabaab. | who died fighting for al-Shabaab. |
819 | 00:40:15,875 | 00:40:17,000 | Man: Amongst the many Muslims | Man: Amongst the many Muslims |
820 | 00:40:17,000 | 00:40:19,834 | who could no longer call the United States their home | who could no longer call the United States their home |
821 | 00:40:19,834 | 00:40:21,583 | were the Minnesota martyrs. | were the Minnesota martyrs. |
822 | 00:40:21,583 | 00:40:23,250 | These young men could not afford | These young men could not afford |
823 | 00:40:23,250 | 00:40:25,708 | to just sit and watch as the American crusaders | to just sit and watch as the American crusaders |
824 | 00:40:25,708 | 00:40:27,834 | perpetrated the most hideous atrocities | perpetrated the most hideous atrocities |
825 | 00:40:27,834 | 00:40:29,250 | against their Muslim brothers. | against their Muslim brothers. |
826 | 00:40:29,250 | 00:40:30,917 | Allahu akbar! | Allahu akbar! |
827 | 00:40:30,917 | 00:40:32,834 | -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! | -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! |
828 | 00:40:36,417 | 00:40:37,500 | The three things that young people seek | The three things that young people seek |
829 | 00:40:37,500 | 00:40:40,375 | across the board, across countries, | across the board, across countries, |
830 | 00:40:40,375 | 00:40:43,417 | is they're looking for identity, | is they're looking for identity, |
831 | 00:40:43,417 | 00:40:46,291 | they're looking for belonging, | they're looking for belonging, |
832 | 00:40:46,291 | 00:40:48,792 | and they're looking for a purpose. | and they're looking for a purpose. |
833 | 00:40:48,792 | 00:40:51,834 | We are facing you with men who love death | We are facing you with men who love death |
834 | 00:40:51,834 | 00:40:53,875 | just like you love life. | just like you love life. |
835 | 00:40:53,875 | 00:40:56,500 | We love death more than you love life. | We love death more than you love life. |
836 | 00:40:56,500 | 00:40:58,291 | We seek martyrdom. | We seek martyrdom. |
837 | 00:40:58,291 | 00:40:59,583 | [ Gunfire ] | [ Gunfire ] |
838 | 00:40:59,583 | 00:41:02,458 | Hitchens: Young kids who want adventure, | Hitchens: Young kids who want adventure, |
839 | 00:41:02,458 | 00:41:04,083 | who want to be part of a change, | who want to be part of a change, |
840 | 00:41:04,083 | 00:41:05,625 | who have that revolutionary zeal -- | who have that revolutionary zeal -- |
841 | 00:41:05,625 | 00:41:08,917 | Salafi jihadism is offering that to them. | Salafi jihadism is offering that to them. |
842 | 00:41:08,917 | 00:41:10,792 | 30, 40 years ago, these were kids | 30, 40 years ago, these were kids |
843 | 00:41:10,792 | 00:41:12,959 | who may have been looking towards far left | who may have been looking towards far left |
844 | 00:41:12,959 | 00:41:15,208 | or anarchist ideologies or communism. | or anarchist ideologies or communism. |
845 | 00:41:15,208 | 00:41:16,250 | Unfortunately, now, the biggest | Unfortunately, now, the biggest |
846 | 00:41:16,250 | 00:41:18,959 | sort of revolutionary countercultural movement | sort of revolutionary countercultural movement |
847 | 00:41:18,959 | 00:41:20,458 | in Western society, | in Western society, |
848 | 00:41:20,458 | 00:41:22,875 | and perhaps in the world, is Salafi jihadism. | and perhaps in the world, is Salafi jihadism. |
849 | 00:41:22,875 | 00:41:26,959 | If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. | If you guys only knew how much fun we have over here. |
850 | 00:41:26,959 | 00:41:28,708 | This is the real Disneyland. | This is the real Disneyland. |
851 | 00:41:28,708 | 00:41:30,291 | You need to come here and join us... | You need to come here and join us... |
852 | 00:41:30,291 | 00:41:31,959 | Man: Allahu akbar! | Man: Allahu akbar! |
853 | 00:41:31,959 | 00:41:33,708 | ...and take pleasure in this fun. | ...and take pleasure in this fun. |
854 | 00:41:35,875 | 00:41:38,750 | It's a shock, and it's never the way | It's a shock, and it's never the way |
855 | 00:41:38,750 | 00:41:42,333 | I imagined that our life would turn out. | I imagined that our life would turn out. |
856 | 00:41:47,583 | 00:41:51,500 | Troy was a really energetic child. | Troy was a really energetic child. |
857 | 00:41:51,500 | 00:41:55,625 | ♪ You make a lot of better friends ♪ | ♪ You make a lot of better friends ♪ |
858 | 00:41:57,708 | 00:41:59,667 | He was very athletic. | He was very athletic. |
859 | 00:41:59,667 | 00:42:02,959 | He played basketball and did karate. | He played basketball and did karate. |
860 | 00:42:05,083 | 00:42:07,792 | By time Troy was out of high school, | By time Troy was out of high school, |
861 | 00:42:07,792 | 00:42:08,667 | he wasn't doing well. | he wasn't doing well. |
862 | 00:42:08,667 | 00:42:11,625 | I think he was sometimes frustrated, | I think he was sometimes frustrated, |
863 | 00:42:11,625 | 00:42:13,333 | sometimes feeling really lost. | sometimes feeling really lost. |
864 | 00:42:13,333 | 00:42:16,125 | Troy converted to Islam, | Troy converted to Islam, |
865 | 00:42:16,125 | 00:42:18,500 | and it really was great for him. | and it really was great for him. |
866 | 00:42:18,500 | 00:42:20,750 | He'd been struggling with chemical use, | He'd been struggling with chemical use, |
867 | 00:42:20,750 | 00:42:21,542 | and it was just really clear, | and it was just really clear, |
868 | 00:42:21,542 | 00:42:24,041 | you know, you don't use chemicals. | you know, you don't use chemicals. |
869 | 00:42:24,041 | 00:42:27,583 | And he stopped, and he was really clean and positive. | And he stopped, and he was really clean and positive. |
870 | 00:42:27,583 | 00:42:29,083 | He loved the community. | He loved the community. |
871 | 00:42:29,083 | 00:42:30,750 | He loved the Friday prayers with all the men. | He loved the Friday prayers with all the men. |
872 | 00:42:34,375 | 00:42:36,000 | He was excited about things | He was excited about things |
873 | 00:42:36,000 | 00:42:39,166 | and really wanting to know more about the religion. | and really wanting to know more about the religion. |
874 | 00:42:41,041 | 00:42:42,458 | Be careful. | Be careful. |
875 | 00:42:42,458 | 00:42:45,166 | Do not trust the enemies of Allah. | Do not trust the enemies of Allah. |
876 | 00:42:45,166 | 00:42:48,375 | I do remember, he was watching some videos with a cleric, | I do remember, he was watching some videos with a cleric, |
877 | 00:42:48,375 | 00:42:49,458 | but the little things that I'd see, | but the little things that I'd see, |
878 | 00:42:49,458 | 00:42:52,834 | it didn't seem really hateful. | it didn't seem really hateful. |
879 | 00:42:52,834 | 00:42:55,291 | Many of the people just follow what is told, | Many of the people just follow what is told, |
880 | 00:42:55,291 | 00:42:56,708 | what they're told. | what they're told. |
881 | 00:42:56,708 | 00:42:59,750 | I just was not aware to, like, watch and go, | I just was not aware to, like, watch and go, |
882 | 00:42:59,750 | 00:43:02,375 | "What is that guy saying?" | "What is that guy saying?" |
883 | 00:43:02,375 | 00:43:05,750 | Never ever trust a kuffar. | Never ever trust a kuffar. |
884 | 00:43:05,750 | 00:43:08,834 | [ Man chanting in Arabic ] | [ Man chanting in Arabic ] |
885 | 00:43:13,083 | 00:43:17,417 | Boada: Then, all of a sudden, he said he was going to Kenya | Boada: Then, all of a sudden, he said he was going to Kenya |
886 | 00:43:17,417 | 00:43:19,875 | to study and to teach English. | to study and to teach English. |
887 | 00:43:19,875 | 00:43:23,166 | And you know, it was a little strange to me -- | And you know, it was a little strange to me -- |
888 | 00:43:23,166 | 00:43:24,583 | like, I questioned him about it -- | like, I questioned him about it -- |
889 | 00:43:24,583 | 00:43:26,542 | but in my mind, the way it made sense | but in my mind, the way it made sense |
890 | 00:43:26,542 | 00:43:29,000 | was sort of the same way Christian organizations | was sort of the same way Christian organizations |
891 | 00:43:29,000 | 00:43:30,708 | send missionaries places. | send missionaries places. |
892 | 00:43:30,708 | 00:43:33,708 | -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! | -Allahu akbar! -Allahu akbar! |
893 | 00:43:33,708 | 00:43:37,250 | Boada: When the FBI came to let me know | Boada: When the FBI came to let me know |
894 | 00:43:37,250 | 00:43:39,583 | about what they thought was happening, | about what they thought was happening, |
895 | 00:43:39,583 | 00:43:41,500 | it was really shocking to me. I didn't -- | it was really shocking to me. I didn't -- |
896 | 00:43:41,500 | 00:43:44,250 | And I even e-mailed him, and I said, "Stay in Kenya, | And I even e-mailed him, and I said, "Stay in Kenya, |
897 | 00:43:44,250 | 00:43:45,250 | because the FBI thinks | because the FBI thinks |
898 | 00:43:45,250 | 00:43:47,708 | that you're connected with something bad. | that you're connected with something bad. |
899 | 00:43:47,708 | 00:43:48,667 | And if you go into Somalia, | And if you go into Somalia, |
900 | 00:43:48,667 | 00:43:51,166 | you're, you know, that -- that..." | you're, you know, that -- that..." |
901 | 00:43:51,166 | 00:43:54,291 | So I was still really thinking that he was in Kenya. | So I was still really thinking that he was in Kenya. |
902 | 00:43:54,291 | 00:43:57,250 | We're here in the land of jihad -- Somalia. | We're here in the land of jihad -- Somalia. |
903 | 00:43:57,250 | 00:43:59,792 | You guys need to come here. | You guys need to come here. |
904 | 00:43:59,792 | 00:44:01,834 | This is the place to be. | This is the place to be. |
905 | 00:44:01,834 | 00:44:05,834 | Troy never would have considered that he was a terrorist. | Troy never would have considered that he was a terrorist. |
906 | 00:44:05,834 | 00:44:08,917 | I think he may have believed he was joining a rebellion | I think he may have believed he was joining a rebellion |
907 | 00:44:08,917 | 00:44:10,959 | to help the Somali people. | to help the Somali people. |
908 | 00:44:13,125 | 00:44:15,041 | He never was violent. | He never was violent. |
909 | 00:44:15,041 | 00:44:16,542 | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. | Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
910 | 00:44:16,542 | 00:44:19,125 | But I'm not stupid. | But I'm not stupid. |
911 | 00:44:19,125 | 00:44:23,375 | I know that those people get into the force of the group. | I know that those people get into the force of the group. |
912 | 00:44:24,750 | 00:44:25,917 | People do do horrible things. | People do do horrible things. |
913 | 00:44:41,083 | 00:44:43,000 | -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! | -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! |
914 | 00:44:43,000 | 00:44:44,125 | -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! | -Takbir! -Allahu akbar! |
915 | 00:44:44,125 | 00:44:47,625 | Shreiber: Troy Kastigar left his home in Minnesota | Shreiber: Troy Kastigar left his home in Minnesota |
916 | 00:44:47,625 | 00:44:50,208 | in November of 2008. | in November of 2008. |
917 | 00:44:50,208 | 00:44:53,500 | Less than a year later, he was killed in Somalia. | Less than a year later, he was killed in Somalia. |
918 | 00:45:14,041 | 00:45:17,708 | Boada: The loss is terrible and shocking. | Boada: The loss is terrible and shocking. |
919 | 00:45:19,875 | 00:45:22,375 | I'm careful about talking about this loss, | I'm careful about talking about this loss, |
920 | 00:45:22,375 | 00:45:26,542 | because I can't bear | because I can't bear |
921 | 00:45:26,542 | 00:45:30,333 | to have anyone be hateful toward my son. | to have anyone be hateful toward my son. |
922 | 00:45:30,333 | 00:45:34,458 | And, um, I just can't bear it. | And, um, I just can't bear it. |
923 | 00:45:39,000 | 00:45:43,375 | There is this idea that these young people are demons. | There is this idea that these young people are demons. |
924 | 00:45:45,834 | 00:45:46,875 | So to have other people | So to have other people |
925 | 00:45:46,875 | 00:45:51,542 | that you can just share the grief with, | that you can just share the grief with, |
926 | 00:45:51,542 | 00:45:56,959 | who also adore their children... | who also adore their children... |
927 | 00:45:56,959 | 00:46:00,875 | and understand they made some bad decisions. | and understand they made some bad decisions. |
928 | 00:46:04,667 | 00:46:09,542 | Yes, my son was trained, processed, | Yes, my son was trained, processed, |
929 | 00:46:09,542 | 00:46:13,417 | programmed to kill, | programmed to kill, |
930 | 00:46:13,417 | 00:46:16,500 | in Yemen, in a foreign country. | in Yemen, in a foreign country. |
931 | 00:46:20,792 | 00:46:25,083 | Carlos grew up as a very happy person. | Carlos grew up as a very happy person. |
932 | 00:46:25,083 | 00:46:29,041 | In Memphis, we operated a tour-bus company. | In Memphis, we operated a tour-bus company. |
933 | 00:46:29,041 | 00:46:30,625 | Carlos would love to hang around | Carlos would love to hang around |
934 | 00:46:30,625 | 00:46:32,708 | and talk to the people. | and talk to the people. |
935 | 00:46:32,708 | 00:46:35,166 | He loved to try to pick up on a different language. | He loved to try to pick up on a different language. |
936 | 00:46:36,166 | 00:46:38,708 | Holley: He got in some trouble in college. | Holley: He got in some trouble in college. |
937 | 00:46:38,708 | 00:46:41,041 | And basically, when he went to court, the judge said, | And basically, when he went to court, the judge said, |
938 | 00:46:41,041 | 00:46:42,625 | "If I see you in my courtroom again, you know, | "If I see you in my courtroom again, you know, |
939 | 00:46:42,625 | 00:46:44,959 | you're going to do time." | you're going to do time." |
940 | 00:46:44,959 | 00:46:47,250 | And we honestly think that scared him. | And we honestly think that scared him. |
941 | 00:46:48,375 | 00:46:51,625 | He wanted to change his religion because he thought, | He wanted to change his religion because he thought, |
942 | 00:46:51,625 | 00:46:53,041 | "Well, maybe I'm not getting enough | "Well, maybe I'm not getting enough |
943 | 00:46:53,041 | 00:46:54,291 | from the Baptist religion. | from the Baptist religion. |
944 | 00:46:54,291 | 00:46:55,208 | I need to find another religion | I need to find another religion |
945 | 00:46:55,208 | 00:46:59,041 | to try to help keep me out of trouble." | to try to help keep me out of trouble." |
946 | 00:46:59,041 | 00:47:01,500 | Shreiber: While in college in Nashville, | Shreiber: While in college in Nashville, |
947 | 00:47:01,500 | 00:47:04,000 | Carlos Bledsoe converted to Islam | Carlos Bledsoe converted to Islam |
948 | 00:47:04,000 | 00:47:07,708 | and changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. | and changed his name to Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad. |
949 | 00:47:07,708 | 00:47:11,291 | Bledsoe: One of the things that really changed with Carlos -- | Bledsoe: One of the things that really changed with Carlos -- |
950 | 00:47:11,291 | 00:47:13,667 | when he gave away his dog. | when he gave away his dog. |
951 | 00:47:13,667 | 00:47:16,208 | Holley: Carlos loved animals. | Holley: Carlos loved animals. |
952 | 00:47:16,208 | 00:47:18,667 | And the golden retriever, which was his heart, | And the golden retriever, which was his heart, |
953 | 00:47:18,667 | 00:47:21,375 | he left him out in the woods, | he left him out in the woods, |
954 | 00:47:21,375 | 00:47:24,166 | because he said that that was not something -- | because he said that that was not something -- |
955 | 00:47:24,166 | 00:47:25,500 | as a Muslim, | as a Muslim, |
956 | 00:47:25,500 | 00:47:27,625 | you shouldn't have animals in your house. | you shouldn't have animals in your house. |
957 | 00:47:27,625 | 00:47:29,250 | Carlos come home maybe a couple months later | Carlos come home maybe a couple months later |
958 | 00:47:29,250 | 00:47:33,041 | and said to us that he was going to be going to Yemen. | and said to us that he was going to be going to Yemen. |
959 | 00:47:34,875 | 00:47:37,834 | Shreiber: Bledsoe arrived in Yemen | Shreiber: Bledsoe arrived in Yemen |
960 | 00:47:37,834 | 00:47:40,291 | with a letter of recommendation from an imam, | with a letter of recommendation from an imam, |
961 | 00:47:40,291 | 00:47:43,667 | describing him as a practicing Salafi. | describing him as a practicing Salafi. |
962 | 00:47:43,667 | 00:47:46,250 | He was admitted to Dar al-Hadith, | He was admitted to Dar al-Hadith, |
963 | 00:47:46,250 | 00:47:49,959 | an Islamist seminary, where he studied the Qur'an. | an Islamist seminary, where he studied the Qur'an. |
964 | 00:47:50,834 | 00:47:55,625 | One late night, got a phone call. | One late night, got a phone call. |
965 | 00:47:55,625 | 00:47:57,333 | "Your son" -- that's the only thing | "Your son" -- that's the only thing |
966 | 00:47:57,333 | 00:47:59,041 | I could understand at the time. | I could understand at the time. |
967 | 00:47:59,041 | 00:47:59,708 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
968 | 00:47:59,708 | 00:48:02,083 | Shreiber: While in Yemen, | Shreiber: While in Yemen, |
969 | 00:48:02,083 | 00:48:04,750 | Bledsoe was arrested for carrying a fake passport, | Bledsoe was arrested for carrying a fake passport, |
970 | 00:48:04,750 | 00:48:06,667 | which he had intended to use | which he had intended to use |
971 | 00:48:06,667 | 00:48:09,208 | to travel to Somalia for training. | to travel to Somalia for training. |
972 | 00:48:09,208 | 00:48:11,667 | He was also in possession of a flash drive | He was also in possession of a flash drive |
973 | 00:48:11,667 | 00:48:13,166 | loaded with bomb-making instructions, | loaded with bomb-making instructions, |
974 | 00:48:13,166 | 00:48:16,917 | as well as lectures by Awlaki and others. | as well as lectures by Awlaki and others. |
975 | 00:48:19,875 | 00:48:21,625 | Bledsoe: At the State Department, | Bledsoe: At the State Department, |
976 | 00:48:21,625 | 00:48:24,375 | we had a dialogue that lasted almost a couple months | we had a dialogue that lasted almost a couple months |
977 | 00:48:24,375 | 00:48:25,708 | before Carlos was abruptly released | before Carlos was abruptly released |
978 | 00:48:25,708 | 00:48:28,250 | from the Yemenis' jail | from the Yemenis' jail |
979 | 00:48:28,250 | 00:48:29,708 | and they was going to allow my son | and they was going to allow my son |
980 | 00:48:29,708 | 00:48:30,542 | to travel back to America. | to travel back to America. |
981 | 00:48:30,542 | 00:48:32,917 | [ Horn honks ] | [ Horn honks ] |
982 | 00:48:34,291 | 00:48:38,417 | When he was in Yemen, before he came back, | When he was in Yemen, before he came back, |
983 | 00:48:38,417 | 00:48:40,917 | he was in a jail with well-known terrorists. | he was in a jail with well-known terrorists. |
984 | 00:48:40,917 | 00:48:44,583 | They threw him in there with the wolves. | They threw him in there with the wolves. |
985 | 00:48:44,583 | 00:48:48,917 | And now he's being told that when he comes back to America, | And now he's being told that when he comes back to America, |
986 | 00:48:48,917 | 00:48:50,917 | that he must do something. | that he must do something. |
987 | 00:48:53,417 | 00:48:55,583 | [ Gunshots ] | [ Gunshots ] |
988 | 00:48:59,250 | 00:49:01,917 | Reporter: Shots rang out at this Little Rock shopping center | Reporter: Shots rang out at this Little Rock shopping center |
989 | 00:49:01,917 | 00:49:05,208 | shortly after 10:00 Monday morning. | shortly after 10:00 Monday morning. |
990 | 00:49:05,208 | 00:49:08,583 | The victims -- two U.S. Army soldiers. | The victims -- two U.S. Army soldiers. |
991 | 00:49:08,583 | 00:49:09,625 | 23-year-old Private William Long | 23-year-old Private William Long |
992 | 00:49:09,625 | 00:49:12,917 | of Conway was killed. | of Conway was killed. |
993 | 00:49:12,917 | 00:49:14,959 | 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula | 18-year-old Private Quinton Ezeagwula |
994 | 00:49:14,959 | 00:49:16,166 | seriously injured, when, police say, | seriously injured, when, police say, |
995 | 00:49:16,166 | 00:49:21,000 | a suspect in a black S.U.V. drove by, opening fire. | a suspect in a black S.U.V. drove by, opening fire. |
996 | 00:49:22,500 | 00:49:25,667 | When I got that phone call from the FBI... | When I got that phone call from the FBI... |
997 | 00:49:25,667 | 00:49:27,792 | that was... | that was... |
998 | 00:49:27,792 | 00:49:29,792 | really a knockout pain. | really a knockout pain. |
999 | 00:49:29,792 | 00:49:32,792 | "Why would you do this, Carlos?" | "Why would you do this, Carlos?" |
1000 | 00:49:32,792 | 00:49:34,959 | That was the question that we kept repeating, | That was the question that we kept repeating, |
1001 | 00:49:34,959 | 00:49:37,083 | asking ourselves, "Why would you do this?" | asking ourselves, "Why would you do this?" |
1002 | 00:49:38,250 | 00:49:43,125 | Bledsoe: My son Carlos -- he forgot who we were. | Bledsoe: My son Carlos -- he forgot who we were. |
1003 | 00:49:43,125 | 00:49:44,625 | You give away your dog, | You give away your dog, |
1004 | 00:49:44,625 | 00:49:46,458 | you give away all your possessions. | you give away all your possessions. |
1005 | 00:49:46,458 | 00:49:50,708 | And if you can't convince your parents or your family | And if you can't convince your parents or your family |
1006 | 00:49:50,708 | 00:49:53,000 | to become Muslims, | to become Muslims, |
1007 | 00:49:53,000 | 00:49:55,208 | then you forget who they are, as well. | then you forget who they are, as well. |
1008 | 00:49:57,583 | 00:49:59,875 | Shreiber: Carlos Bledsoe sent a letter from jail | Shreiber: Carlos Bledsoe sent a letter from jail |
1009 | 00:49:59,875 | 00:50:02,583 | to the judge in the case. | to the judge in the case. |
1010 | 00:50:02,583 | 00:50:05,208 | He described himself as a soldier of al-Qaeda | He described himself as a soldier of al-Qaeda |
1011 | 00:50:05,208 | 00:50:08,000 | in the Arabian Peninsula. | in the Arabian Peninsula. |
1012 | 00:50:08,000 | 00:50:10,583 | He described the shooting as a jihadi attack, | He described the shooting as a jihadi attack, |
1013 | 00:50:10,583 | 00:50:11,667 | done in retribution | done in retribution |
1014 | 00:50:11,667 | 00:50:14,667 | for the killing of Muslims by American soldiers | for the killing of Muslims by American soldiers |
1015 | 00:50:14,667 | 00:50:16,917 | in Iraq and Afghanistan. | in Iraq and Afghanistan. |
1016 | 00:50:16,917 | 00:50:20,250 | Bledsoe also spoke to the media. | Bledsoe also spoke to the media. |
1017 | 00:50:41,000 | 00:50:43,000 | He thought was he did was right. | He thought was he did was right. |
1018 | 00:50:43,000 | 00:50:44,834 | Basically, he was going to the media | Basically, he was going to the media |
1019 | 00:50:44,834 | 00:50:47,417 | saying he'll do it again. | saying he'll do it again. |
1020 | 00:50:47,417 | 00:50:50,208 | If he's let go, he'll do it again. | If he's let go, he'll do it again. |
1021 | 00:50:50,208 | 00:50:53,792 | Shreiber: Bledsoe pled guilty to capital murder charges | Shreiber: Bledsoe pled guilty to capital murder charges |
1022 | 00:50:53,792 | 00:50:56,291 | and was served 11 consecutive life sentences. | and was served 11 consecutive life sentences. |
1023 | 00:50:59,208 | 00:51:02,083 | Holley: This has been a tough pill to swallow. | Holley: This has been a tough pill to swallow. |
1024 | 00:51:03,667 | 00:51:06,125 | Still trying to digest it. | Still trying to digest it. |
1025 | 00:51:06,125 | 00:51:07,792 | I think it hurts more because I have two boys. | I think it hurts more because I have two boys. |
1026 | 00:51:07,792 | 00:51:11,625 | They do go and visit him. | They do go and visit him. |
1027 | 00:51:11,625 | 00:51:13,041 | And my oldest, he asked the question, | And my oldest, he asked the question, |
1028 | 00:51:13,041 | 00:51:16,291 | "Mommy, what did Uncle Carlos do?" | "Mommy, what did Uncle Carlos do?" |
1029 | 00:51:16,291 | 00:51:19,750 | And I have not been able to fathom the words | And I have not been able to fathom the words |
1030 | 00:51:19,750 | 00:51:21,041 | to let him know. | to let him know. |
1031 | 00:51:21,041 | 00:51:22,875 | I just say, "He did something bad, | I just say, "He did something bad, |
1032 | 00:51:22,875 | 00:51:24,959 | and when you do something bad, you have to -- | and when you do something bad, you have to -- |
1033 | 00:51:24,959 | 00:51:27,417 | you're punished for it. | you're punished for it. |
1034 | 00:51:27,417 | 00:51:30,291 | You know, you have to pay for what you've done. | You know, you have to pay for what you've done. |
1035 | 00:51:30,291 | 00:51:33,917 | And that's what Uncle Carlos is doing." | And that's what Uncle Carlos is doing." |
1036 | 00:51:33,917 | 00:51:36,667 | And it breaks my heart. | And it breaks my heart. |
1037 | 00:51:36,667 | 00:51:38,500 | It breaks my heart. | It breaks my heart. |
1038 | 00:51:41,917 | 00:51:43,834 | Reporter: Let's set the scene here at Fort Hood. | Reporter: Let's set the scene here at Fort Hood. |
1039 | 00:51:43,834 | 00:51:45,500 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
1040 | 00:51:45,500 | 00:51:47,291 | The base still on lockdown, | The base still on lockdown, |
1041 | 00:51:47,291 | 00:51:48,875 | and we're still trying to figure out the motive | and we're still trying to figure out the motive |
1042 | 00:51:48,875 | 00:51:51,458 | in this shooting. | in this shooting. |
1043 | 00:51:51,458 | 00:51:53,875 | Reporter #2: Witnesses say he entered a medical building, | Reporter #2: Witnesses say he entered a medical building, |
1044 | 00:51:53,875 | 00:51:56,917 | wearing an Army combat uniform, and started shooting, | wearing an Army combat uniform, and started shooting, |
1045 | 00:51:56,917 | 00:51:59,250 | shouting in Arabic that God is great. | shouting in Arabic that God is great. |
1046 | 00:51:59,250 | 00:52:00,708 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
1047 | 00:52:00,708 | 00:52:02,917 | Shreiber: At an Army base in Fort Hood, Texas, | Shreiber: At an Army base in Fort Hood, Texas, |
1048 | 00:52:02,917 | 00:52:07,834 | a lone gunman killed 13 and wounded 32 others. | a lone gunman killed 13 and wounded 32 others. |
1049 | 00:52:07,834 | 00:52:11,417 | Holley: When it happened in Texas, I felt like, | Holley: When it happened in Texas, I felt like, |
1050 | 00:52:11,417 | 00:52:13,792 | "Did Carlos start something? | "Did Carlos start something? |
1051 | 00:52:13,792 | 00:52:15,583 | Did my brother start it? | Did my brother start it? |
1052 | 00:52:15,583 | 00:52:18,000 | Are there people trying to mimic what he did?" | Are there people trying to mimic what he did?" |
1053 | 00:52:19,708 | 00:52:22,708 | Shreiber: Major Nidal Hasan was an American-born Muslim | Shreiber: Major Nidal Hasan was an American-born Muslim |
1054 | 00:52:22,708 | 00:52:23,792 | scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan | scheduled to be deployed to Afghanistan |
1055 | 00:52:23,792 | 00:52:26,959 | the following month. | the following month. |
1056 | 00:52:26,959 | 00:52:28,417 | Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was a man | Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was a man |
1057 | 00:52:28,417 | 00:52:30,083 | who was an American Muslim soldier | who was an American Muslim soldier |
1058 | 00:52:30,083 | 00:52:31,166 | in the post-9/11 era. | in the post-9/11 era. |
1059 | 00:52:31,166 | 00:52:33,959 | Muslims were, for right or wrong, | Muslims were, for right or wrong, |
1060 | 00:52:33,959 | 00:52:35,083 | dying at the hands of American soldiers. | dying at the hands of American soldiers. |
1061 | 00:52:35,083 | 00:52:37,500 | And this was an American Muslim | And this was an American Muslim |
1062 | 00:52:37,500 | 00:52:39,166 | who was struggling with that split identity. | who was struggling with that split identity. |
1063 | 00:52:39,166 | 00:52:41,667 | Reporter: The Army and the FBI | Reporter: The Army and the FBI |
1064 | 00:52:41,667 | 00:52:44,500 | are now combing Hasan's computer records, | are now combing Hasan's computer records, |
1065 | 00:52:44,500 | 00:52:46,083 | assessing his apparent attraction | assessing his apparent attraction |
1066 | 00:52:46,083 | 00:52:47,208 | to inflammatory websites | to inflammatory websites |
1067 | 00:52:47,208 | 00:52:50,792 | and this mosque in suburban Washington. | and this mosque in suburban Washington. |
1068 | 00:52:53,583 | 00:52:57,750 | Schmidt: While Awlaki was serving as imam of Dar Al-Hijrah, | Schmidt: While Awlaki was serving as imam of Dar Al-Hijrah, |
1069 | 00:52:57,750 | 00:53:01,834 | one of the people attending the mosque was Nidal Hasan. | one of the people attending the mosque was Nidal Hasan. |
1070 | 00:53:01,834 | 00:53:03,417 | And Awlaki, in the spring of 2001, | And Awlaki, in the spring of 2001, |
1071 | 00:53:03,417 | 00:53:08,000 | presided over the funeral for Hasan's mother. | presided over the funeral for Hasan's mother. |
1072 | 00:53:09,208 | 00:53:13,166 | By 2009, Awlaki was openly radical, | By 2009, Awlaki was openly radical, |
1073 | 00:53:13,166 | 00:53:16,583 | and he started getting e-mails from Nidal Hasan. | and he started getting e-mails from Nidal Hasan. |
1074 | 00:53:18,834 | 00:53:22,375 | Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was very keen to get instructions from Awlaki. | Hitchens: Nidal Hasan was very keen to get instructions from Awlaki. |
1075 | 00:53:25,375 | 00:53:27,750 | Awlaki didn't give him too many. | Awlaki didn't give him too many. |
1076 | 00:53:27,750 | 00:53:30,583 | But he certainly didn't discourage him from his actions. | But he certainly didn't discourage him from his actions. |
1077 | 00:53:33,750 | 00:53:38,625 | Shreiber: The FBI had been monitoring Awlaki's e-mails with Hasan. | Shreiber: The FBI had been monitoring Awlaki's e-mails with Hasan. |
1078 | 00:53:40,875 | 00:53:44,041 | But due to a lack of interdepartmental communication, | But due to a lack of interdepartmental communication, |
1079 | 00:53:44,041 | 00:53:46,417 | the 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and Awlaki | the 18 e-mails exchanged between Hasan and Awlaki |
1080 | 00:53:46,417 | 00:53:49,500 | were never shared with the Terrorism Task Force. | were never shared with the Terrorism Task Force. |
1081 | 00:53:51,625 | 00:53:54,417 | Soufan: Major Hasan never went to al-Qaeda training camp. | Soufan: Major Hasan never went to al-Qaeda training camp. |
1082 | 00:53:54,417 | 00:53:59,625 | He never traveled to places considered al-Qaeda. | He never traveled to places considered al-Qaeda. |
1083 | 00:53:59,625 | 00:54:02,166 | The criteria that was used before | The criteria that was used before |
1084 | 00:54:02,166 | 00:54:04,959 | to detect terrorism, did not fit. | to detect terrorism, did not fit. |
1085 | 00:54:05,917 | 00:54:07,959 | Bergen: Major Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington, Virginia, | Bergen: Major Nidal Hasan was born in Arlington, Virginia, |
1086 | 00:54:07,959 | 00:54:10,792 | half a century ago. | half a century ago. |
1087 | 00:54:10,792 | 00:54:14,083 | So the problem we have now is really a domestic problem. | So the problem we have now is really a domestic problem. |
1088 | 00:54:14,083 | 00:54:17,834 | This is a time of war. | This is a time of war. |
1089 | 00:54:17,834 | 00:54:20,083 | And these Americans did not die | And these Americans did not die |
1090 | 00:54:20,083 | 00:54:23,417 | on a foreign field of battle. | on a foreign field of battle. |
1091 | 00:54:23,417 | 00:54:28,125 | They were killed here, on American soil. | They were killed here, on American soil. |
1092 | 00:54:28,125 | 00:54:30,750 | America refuses to admit | America refuses to admit |
1093 | 00:54:30,750 | 00:54:31,917 | that its foreign policies | that its foreign policies |
1094 | 00:54:31,917 | 00:54:35,166 | are the reasons behind the men like Nidal Hasan, | are the reasons behind the men like Nidal Hasan, |
1095 | 00:54:35,166 | 00:54:38,583 | born and raised in the U.S., | born and raised in the U.S., |
1096 | 00:54:38,583 | 00:54:41,458 | turning his guns against American soldiers. | turning his guns against American soldiers. |
1097 | 00:54:41,458 | 00:54:45,125 | Khan: The American government is losing this war. | Khan: The American government is losing this war. |
1098 | 00:54:45,125 | 00:54:47,542 | This is something that America | This is something that America |
1099 | 00:54:47,542 | 00:54:49,417 | would never want to admit. | would never want to admit. |
1100 | 00:54:49,417 | 00:54:52,417 | They would never want to admit that they're being crushed. | They would never want to admit that they're being crushed. |
1101 | 00:54:52,417 | 00:54:56,667 | Shreiber: 21-year-Old Samir Khan was a Saudi-born American citizen. | Shreiber: 21-year-Old Samir Khan was a Saudi-born American citizen. |
1102 | 00:54:57,875 | 00:55:01,500 | Samir Khan was a young radical living in North Carolina | Samir Khan was a young radical living in North Carolina |
1103 | 00:55:01,500 | 00:55:04,583 | who had been experimenting with jihadi media. | who had been experimenting with jihadi media. |
1104 | 00:55:07,875 | 00:55:11,333 | Schmidt: Samir Khan had become a little bit of a star. | Schmidt: Samir Khan had become a little bit of a star. |
1105 | 00:55:11,333 | 00:55:13,291 | His blog, written in the basement | His blog, written in the basement |
1106 | 00:55:13,291 | 00:55:15,250 | of his parents' home in Charlotte, North Carolina, | of his parents' home in Charlotte, North Carolina, |
1107 | 00:55:15,250 | 00:55:19,250 | was getting some attention. | was getting some attention. |
1108 | 00:55:19,250 | 00:55:23,333 | Anwar al-Awlaki was in coordination with Samir, | Anwar al-Awlaki was in coordination with Samir, |
1109 | 00:55:23,333 | 00:55:24,959 | recommending that we start | recommending that we start |
1110 | 00:55:24,959 | 00:55:27,208 | the very first pro-al-Qaeda magazine | the very first pro-al-Qaeda magazine |
1111 | 00:55:27,208 | 00:55:28,792 | in English. | in English. |
1112 | 00:55:28,792 | 00:55:30,542 | And I penned an article | And I penned an article |
1113 | 00:55:30,542 | 00:55:33,291 | that served as the cover story for the very first edition | that served as the cover story for the very first edition |
1114 | 00:55:33,291 | 00:55:36,291 | of what was called Jihad Recollections. | of what was called Jihad Recollections. |
1115 | 00:55:36,291 | 00:55:38,917 | Are you helping recruit for al-Qaeda? | Are you helping recruit for al-Qaeda? |
1116 | 00:55:38,917 | 00:55:40,125 | No. | No. |
1117 | 00:55:40,125 | 00:55:41,625 | -Not at all? -No. | -Not at all? -No. |
1118 | 00:55:41,625 | 00:55:44,792 | -Helping recruit for terrorism? -Not at all. | -Helping recruit for terrorism? -Not at all. |
1119 | 00:55:44,792 | 00:55:46,834 | Shreiber: When Samir's blog caught the attention | Shreiber: When Samir's blog caught the attention |
1120 | 00:55:46,834 | 00:55:47,917 | of American news media, | of American news media, |
1121 | 00:55:47,917 | 00:55:51,417 | he left the country on a one-way ticket to Yemen. | he left the country on a one-way ticket to Yemen. |
1122 | 00:55:53,834 | 00:55:56,125 | Berger: When he joined Awlaki in Yemen, | Berger: When he joined Awlaki in Yemen, |
1123 | 00:55:56,125 | 00:55:59,834 | they set out to re-create this magazine format and to -- | they set out to re-create this magazine format and to -- |
1124 | 00:55:59,834 | 00:56:00,792 | not just re-create it, | not just re-create it, |
1125 | 00:56:00,792 | 00:56:04,000 | but really supercharge it and expand it. | but really supercharge it and expand it. |
1126 | 00:56:04,000 | 00:56:06,333 | Schmidt: They created Inspire magazine, | Schmidt: They created Inspire magazine, |
1127 | 00:56:06,333 | 00:56:10,333 | which became a hugely successful, new, | which became a hugely successful, new, |
1128 | 00:56:10,333 | 00:56:15,458 | slick online magazine directed at Jihadi recruits. | slick online magazine directed at Jihadi recruits. |
1129 | 00:56:16,500 | 00:56:19,542 | Berger: What Inspire really did that was different is it took | Berger: What Inspire really did that was different is it took |
1130 | 00:56:19,542 | 00:56:23,041 | all this kind of classic Jihadi propaganda | all this kind of classic Jihadi propaganda |
1131 | 00:56:23,041 | 00:56:24,750 | and married it to, "Oh, by the way, | and married it to, "Oh, by the way, |
1132 | 00:56:24,750 | 00:56:27,542 | here's how to build a bomb in the kitchen of your mom." | here's how to build a bomb in the kitchen of your mom." |
1133 | 00:56:31,458 | 00:56:34,041 | Morton: Anwar al-Awlaki is presented | Morton: Anwar al-Awlaki is presented |
1134 | 00:56:34,041 | 00:56:36,417 | by the then-leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, | by the then-leader of al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, |
1135 | 00:56:36,417 | 00:56:38,000 | and he's asking Osama bin Laden | and he's asking Osama bin Laden |
1136 | 00:56:38,000 | 00:56:39,875 | if Anwar al-Awlaki can become the emir, | if Anwar al-Awlaki can become the emir, |
1137 | 00:56:39,875 | 00:56:42,250 | the leader of the organization. | the leader of the organization. |
1138 | 00:56:42,250 | 00:56:43,750 | And bin Laden is saying, "I don't know, | And bin Laden is saying, "I don't know, |
1139 | 00:56:43,750 | 00:56:45,708 | because the magazine that they're publishing | because the magazine that they're publishing |
1140 | 00:56:45,708 | 00:56:46,792 | and the plans that they're sending me | and the plans that they're sending me |
1141 | 00:56:46,792 | 00:56:50,542 | are absolutely even worse than what I would do." | are absolutely even worse than what I would do." |
1142 | 00:56:50,542 | 00:56:53,458 | Strapping razor blades to a pickup truck | Strapping razor blades to a pickup truck |
1143 | 00:56:53,458 | 00:56:56,125 | and going down Times Square to mow people over, | and going down Times Square to mow people over, |
1144 | 00:56:56,125 | 00:57:00,333 | and plans to poison the water supply of major cities. | and plans to poison the water supply of major cities. |
1145 | 00:57:01,500 | 00:57:04,875 | Another big contribution Awlaki made | Another big contribution Awlaki made |
1146 | 00:57:04,875 | 00:57:07,917 | to the Salafi jihadi movement was to develop | to the Salafi jihadi movement was to develop |
1147 | 00:57:07,917 | 00:57:09,625 | the religious justification | the religious justification |
1148 | 00:57:09,625 | 00:57:11,625 | for killing people who insulted the Prophet Muhammad. | for killing people who insulted the Prophet Muhammad. |
1149 | 00:57:14,041 | 00:57:17,250 | You've done this town a huge favor [bleep] | You've done this town a huge favor [bleep] |
1150 | 00:57:17,250 | 00:57:18,959 | Hold on a second! There are some extremists | Hold on a second! There are some extremists |
1151 | 00:57:18,959 | 00:57:22,417 | threatening that if we give [bleep] to the celebrities, | threatening that if we give [bleep] to the celebrities, |
1152 | 00:57:22,417 | 00:57:23,000 | they're gonna bomb us. | they're gonna bomb us. |
1153 | 00:57:23,000 | 00:57:24,083 | What?! | What?! |
1154 | 00:57:24,083 | 00:57:26,875 | [ Explosion ] | [ Explosion ] |
1155 | 00:57:26,875 | 00:57:29,166 | Shreiber: When "South Park" aired an episode | Shreiber: When "South Park" aired an episode |
1156 | 00:57:29,166 | 00:57:31,708 | depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, | depicting the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, |
1157 | 00:57:31,708 | 00:57:34,875 | Zachary Chesser posted an ominous threat | Zachary Chesser posted an ominous threat |
1158 | 00:57:34,875 | 00:57:36,792 | on the Revolution Muslim website. | on the Revolution Muslim website. |
1159 | 00:57:38,750 | 00:57:42,458 | Morton: Chesser posted a picture of Theo van Gogh, | Morton: Chesser posted a picture of Theo van Gogh, |
1160 | 00:57:42,458 | 00:57:44,875 | who made a film about Islam | who made a film about Islam |
1161 | 00:57:44,875 | 00:57:47,917 | and was killed in the middle of the street. | and was killed in the middle of the street. |
1162 | 00:57:47,917 | 00:57:50,000 | He said that the writers of "South Park," | He said that the writers of "South Park," |
1163 | 00:57:50,000 | 00:57:51,708 | for portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, | for portraying the Prophet Muhammad in a bear suit, |
1164 | 00:57:51,708 | 00:57:54,500 | would likely end up like Theo van Gogh. | would likely end up like Theo van Gogh. |
1165 | 00:57:54,500 | 00:57:56,625 | This thing was covered in the press | This thing was covered in the press |
1166 | 00:57:56,625 | 00:58:00,333 | as being the origin of it coming from Revolution Muslim. | as being the origin of it coming from Revolution Muslim. |
1167 | 00:58:00,333 | 00:58:02,041 | It went viral. | It went viral. |
1168 | 00:58:02,041 | 00:58:03,208 | We have more breaking news tonight | We have more breaking news tonight |
1169 | 00:58:03,208 | 00:58:05,667 | about one of the leaders of a homegrown, radical group | about one of the leaders of a homegrown, radical group |
1170 | 00:58:05,667 | 00:58:07,208 | called Revolution Muslim. | called Revolution Muslim. |
1171 | 00:58:07,208 | 00:58:09,917 | "Turhibunna" -- this means "terrorize them." | "Turhibunna" -- this means "terrorize them." |
1172 | 00:58:09,917 | 00:58:11,500 | It's a command from Allah. | It's a command from Allah. |
1173 | 00:58:11,500 | 00:58:13,708 | Shreiber: Now a man named Jesse Curtis Morton, | Shreiber: Now a man named Jesse Curtis Morton, |
1174 | 00:58:13,708 | 00:58:16,125 | who's also known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad, | who's also known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad, |
1175 | 00:58:16,125 | 00:58:17,625 | has been threatening the writers | has been threatening the writers |
1176 | 00:58:17,625 | 00:58:20,166 | of the television comedy series "South Park." | of the television comedy series "South Park." |
1177 | 00:58:20,166 | 00:58:22,417 | Morton: Shortly after the "South Park" story unfolded, | Morton: Shortly after the "South Park" story unfolded, |
1178 | 00:58:22,417 | 00:58:25,166 | Zachary Chesser was arrested | Zachary Chesser was arrested |
1179 | 00:58:25,166 | 00:58:27,625 | for trying to join al-Shabaab in Somalia, | for trying to join al-Shabaab in Somalia, |
1180 | 00:58:27,625 | 00:58:29,500 | and so I assumed | and so I assumed |
1181 | 00:58:29,500 | 00:58:32,333 | that I would also soon be arrested | that I would also soon be arrested |
1182 | 00:58:32,333 | 00:58:35,333 | for the "South Park" controversy. | for the "South Park" controversy. |
1183 | 00:58:35,333 | 00:58:38,375 | So I left to go and move to Morocco, | So I left to go and move to Morocco, |
1184 | 00:58:38,375 | 00:58:40,750 | where I was ultimately arrested. | where I was ultimately arrested. |
1185 | 00:58:43,750 | 00:58:48,166 | The Americans came to pick me up five months later, | The Americans came to pick me up five months later, |
1186 | 00:58:48,166 | 00:58:49,625 | changed me into the orange jumpsuit, | changed me into the orange jumpsuit, |
1187 | 00:58:49,625 | 00:58:54,125 | strapped the earplugs in, blinded -- | strapped the earplugs in, blinded -- |
1188 | 00:58:54,125 | 00:58:55,750 | like the Guantanamo images | like the Guantanamo images |
1189 | 00:58:55,750 | 00:58:57,792 | I used to use to promote the idea | I used to use to promote the idea |
1190 | 00:58:57,792 | 00:58:58,834 | that America was at war with Islam. | that America was at war with Islam. |
1191 | 00:58:58,834 | 00:59:01,834 | So my own conspiratorial views start to creep in. | So my own conspiratorial views start to creep in. |
1192 | 00:59:01,834 | 00:59:04,542 | "Oh, my God, they're taking me to a secret prison." | "Oh, my God, they're taking me to a secret prison." |
1193 | 00:59:06,750 | 00:59:08,250 | All of a sudden, the earplugs come out and he says, | All of a sudden, the earplugs come out and he says, |
1194 | 00:59:08,250 | 00:59:09,875 | "I just want to know, | "I just want to know, |
1195 | 00:59:09,875 | 00:59:13,291 | do you prefer to be called Younus Abdullah Muhammad, | do you prefer to be called Younus Abdullah Muhammad, |
1196 | 00:59:13,291 | 00:59:15,792 | or do you want to be called Jesse Morton?" | or do you want to be called Jesse Morton?" |
1197 | 00:59:15,792 | 00:59:18,417 | And sort of, I didn't even think about it. | And sort of, I didn't even think about it. |
1198 | 00:59:18,417 | 00:59:21,125 | I just said, "Jesse Morton." | I just said, "Jesse Morton." |
1199 | 00:59:21,125 | 00:59:23,875 | I wasn't going to Bagram or Guantanamo. | I wasn't going to Bagram or Guantanamo. |
1200 | 00:59:23,875 | 00:59:26,417 | I was being treated like a human being. | I was being treated like a human being. |
1201 | 00:59:28,542 | 00:59:31,208 | So, I'm facing life in prison. | So, I'm facing life in prison. |
1202 | 00:59:31,208 | 00:59:33,875 | I ask to go to the law library. | I ask to go to the law library. |
1203 | 00:59:33,875 | 00:59:35,834 | Originally, I intended to research my case | Originally, I intended to research my case |
1204 | 00:59:35,834 | 00:59:37,667 | and to get out of the trouble I was in. | and to get out of the trouble I was in. |
1205 | 00:59:37,667 | 00:59:39,834 | Soon, it became apparent that there was no way | Soon, it became apparent that there was no way |
1206 | 00:59:39,834 | 00:59:40,667 | to get out of the trouble that I was in. | to get out of the trouble that I was in. |
1207 | 00:59:40,667 | 00:59:43,000 | But I came across this collection | But I came across this collection |
1208 | 00:59:43,000 | 00:59:44,708 | called the Encyclopedia Britannica's | called the Encyclopedia Britannica's |
1209 | 00:59:44,708 | 00:59:47,000 | "Great Books of the Western World." | "Great Books of the Western World." |
1210 | 00:59:47,000 | 00:59:49,291 | And I started to read selected works | And I started to read selected works |
1211 | 00:59:49,291 | 00:59:51,250 | from the era of the Enlightenment. | from the era of the Enlightenment. |
1212 | 00:59:51,250 | 00:59:53,250 | And I realized that freedom is something | And I realized that freedom is something |
1213 | 00:59:53,250 | 00:59:55,583 | that every individual yearns for inside | that every individual yearns for inside |
1214 | 00:59:55,583 | 00:59:58,625 | and that these are principles that I myself believed in, | and that these are principles that I myself believed in, |
1215 | 00:59:58,625 | 01:00:01,333 | but allowed totalitarian interpretations of Islam | but allowed totalitarian interpretations of Islam |
1216 | 01:00:01,333 | 01:00:04,917 | to sort of destroy. | to sort of destroy. |
1217 | 01:00:04,917 | 01:00:07,959 | That woke me up. | That woke me up. |
1218 | 01:00:07,959 | 01:00:11,625 | And that was the start of my de-radicalization. | And that was the start of my de-radicalization. |
1219 | 01:00:14,750 | 01:00:17,250 | Shreiber: Others, however, continued to be radicalized | Shreiber: Others, however, continued to be radicalized |
1220 | 01:00:17,250 | 01:00:19,375 | by Awlaki's lectures online. | by Awlaki's lectures online. |
1221 | 01:00:20,750 | 01:00:24,500 | Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, | Nigerian-born Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, |
1222 | 01:00:24,500 | 01:00:26,500 | the son of a wealthy banker, | the son of a wealthy banker, |
1223 | 01:00:26,500 | 01:00:29,834 | was studying in London when he first discovered Awlaki. | was studying in London when he first discovered Awlaki. |
1224 | 01:00:32,458 | 01:00:33,792 | Four years later, at the age of 23, | Four years later, at the age of 23, |
1225 | 01:00:33,792 | 01:00:37,208 | Abdulmutallab transferred his studies to Yemen | Abdulmutallab transferred his studies to Yemen |
1226 | 01:00:37,208 | 01:00:40,208 | to meet Awlaki and participate in jihad. | to meet Awlaki and participate in jihad. |
1227 | 01:00:43,417 | 01:00:46,125 | When asked to consider a martyrdom mission, | When asked to consider a martyrdom mission, |
1228 | 01:00:46,125 | 01:00:47,667 | Awlaki's latest recruit | Awlaki's latest recruit |
1229 | 01:00:47,667 | 01:00:50,041 | was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. | was willing to make the ultimate sacrifice. |
1230 | 01:00:51,959 | 01:00:55,083 | [ Speaking Arabic ] | [ Speaking Arabic ] |
1231 | 01:00:55,083 | 01:00:56,000 | Awlaki coached Abdulmutallab | Awlaki coached Abdulmutallab |
1232 | 01:00:56,000 | 01:00:57,917 | in the making of his martyrdom video. | in the making of his martyrdom video. |
1233 | 01:01:13,000 | 01:01:15,792 | Awlaki's final instructions -- | Awlaki's final instructions -- |
1234 | 01:01:15,792 | 01:01:20,500 | "Wait until you are in the U.S., then bring the plane down." | "Wait until you are in the U.S., then bring the plane down." |
1235 | 01:01:22,708 | 01:01:26,667 | Northwest Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers, | Northwest Flight 253, carrying 278 passengers, |
1236 | 01:01:26,667 | 01:01:28,667 | was about to touch down in Detroit, | was about to touch down in Detroit, |
1237 | 01:01:28,667 | 01:01:31,041 | when chaos broke out on board. | when chaos broke out on board. |
1238 | 01:01:31,041 | 01:01:32,333 | We heard a loud pop. | We heard a loud pop. |
1239 | 01:01:32,333 | 01:01:34,583 | And then we looked back, | And then we looked back, |
1240 | 01:01:34,583 | 01:01:37,250 | there was some fumes and some flames. | there was some fumes and some flames. |
1241 | 01:01:37,250 | 01:01:38,792 | I heard, "The bags were on fire." | I heard, "The bags were on fire." |
1242 | 01:01:41,125 | 01:01:43,583 | Shreiber: Abdulmutallab evaded security | Shreiber: Abdulmutallab evaded security |
1243 | 01:01:43,583 | 01:01:46,875 | by concealing a unique powdered explosive in his underwear. | by concealing a unique powdered explosive in his underwear. |
1244 | 01:01:48,583 | 01:01:52,333 | A U.S. government test showed what could have happened | A U.S. government test showed what could have happened |
1245 | 01:01:52,333 | 01:01:55,166 | had the explosives detonated on board. | had the explosives detonated on board. |
1246 | 01:01:56,291 | 01:01:58,875 | It was only a technical issue with the device | It was only a technical issue with the device |
1247 | 01:01:58,875 | 01:02:01,041 | that saved the flight from total destruction. | that saved the flight from total destruction. |
1248 | 01:02:01,041 | 01:02:05,250 | However, our brother Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab | However, our brother Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab |
1249 | 01:02:05,250 | 01:02:08,375 | has succeeded in breaking through the security systems | has succeeded in breaking through the security systems |
1250 | 01:02:08,375 | 01:02:09,583 | that have cost the U.S. government alone | that have cost the U.S. government alone |
1251 | 01:02:09,583 | 01:02:13,542 | over $40 billion since 9/11. | over $40 billion since 9/11. |
1252 | 01:02:13,542 | 01:02:16,041 | You are still unsafe, | You are still unsafe, |
1253 | 01:02:16,041 | 01:02:19,041 | even in the holiest and most sacred of days to you -- | even in the holiest and most sacred of days to you -- |
1254 | 01:02:19,041 | 01:02:20,041 | Christmas Day. | Christmas Day. |
1255 | 01:02:20,041 | 01:02:24,708 | The U.S. passenger-plane plot had failed, | The U.S. passenger-plane plot had failed, |
1256 | 01:02:24,708 | 01:02:28,542 | but Awlaki was already planning his next operation. | but Awlaki was already planning his next operation. |
1257 | 01:02:28,542 | 01:02:31,542 | This time, bombs would be planted inside printer boxes | This time, bombs would be planted inside printer boxes |
1258 | 01:02:31,542 | 01:02:34,250 | to be shipped via cargo planes. | to be shipped via cargo planes. |
1259 | 01:02:34,250 | 01:02:38,667 | Once over U.S. soil, the bombs would be detonated. | Once over U.S. soil, the bombs would be detonated. |
1260 | 01:02:38,667 | 01:02:40,834 | But after a tip-off, the packages were intercepted | But after a tip-off, the packages were intercepted |
1261 | 01:02:40,834 | 01:02:45,542 | at airports in the U.K. and Dubai. | at airports in the U.K. and Dubai. |
1262 | 01:02:45,542 | 01:02:47,750 | Berger: When they did the UPS bombing, | Berger: When they did the UPS bombing, |
1263 | 01:02:47,750 | 01:02:50,333 | they printed a special edition of Inspire, saying, | they printed a special edition of Inspire, saying, |
1264 | 01:02:50,333 | 01:02:51,417 | "Look, we only spent a couple thousand dollars | "Look, we only spent a couple thousand dollars |
1265 | 01:02:51,417 | 01:02:52,959 | on this thing, | on this thing, |
1266 | 01:02:52,959 | 01:02:56,792 | and we paralyzed half of the Western security system | and we paralyzed half of the Western security system |
1267 | 01:02:56,792 | 01:02:58,750 | as a result." | as a result." |
1268 | 01:02:58,750 | 01:03:01,375 | Schmidt: This attack elevated Awlaki's status | Schmidt: This attack elevated Awlaki's status |
1269 | 01:03:01,375 | 01:03:06,166 | to the highest level of concern by the United States. | to the highest level of concern by the United States. |
1270 | 01:03:06,166 | 01:03:07,750 | Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen | Awlaki became the first U.S. citizen |
1271 | 01:03:07,750 | 01:03:10,917 | to be put on a kill list by the President. | to be put on a kill list by the President. |
1272 | 01:03:17,625 | 01:03:20,959 | Man: 3-0-1 ready to go. | Man: 3-0-1 ready to go. |
1273 | 01:03:20,959 | 01:03:25,333 | Obama: Anwar Awlaki, the chief of external operations for AQAP. | Obama: Anwar Awlaki, the chief of external operations for AQAP. |
1274 | 01:03:26,625 | 01:03:29,166 | He helped oversee the 2010 plot | He helped oversee the 2010 plot |
1275 | 01:03:29,166 | 01:03:33,208 | to detonate explosive devices on two U.S.-bound cargo planes. | to detonate explosive devices on two U.S.-bound cargo planes. |
1276 | 01:03:34,959 | 01:03:39,208 | He was involved in planning to blow up an airliner in 2009. | He was involved in planning to blow up an airliner in 2009. |
1277 | 01:03:41,333 | 01:03:44,375 | Berger: The decision to kill Awlaki, as an American citizen, | Berger: The decision to kill Awlaki, as an American citizen, |
1278 | 01:03:44,375 | 01:03:49,458 | does raise complications, but you have to do something. | does raise complications, but you have to do something. |
1279 | 01:03:49,458 | 01:03:52,458 | What you do is the question. | What you do is the question. |
1280 | 01:03:52,458 | 01:03:55,291 | I got good range, good limits on him. | I got good range, good limits on him. |
1281 | 01:03:55,291 | 01:03:56,667 | Declare fire. | Declare fire. |
1282 | 01:03:56,667 | 01:03:59,625 | Good impact. Break away. | Good impact. Break away. |
1283 | 01:04:00,959 | 01:04:03,333 | Shreiber: The U.S.-ordered drone strike that killed Awlaki | Shreiber: The U.S.-ordered drone strike that killed Awlaki |
1284 | 01:04:03,333 | 01:04:05,500 | also killed three others, | also killed three others, |
1285 | 01:04:05,500 | 01:04:07,708 | including fellow American Samir Khan. | including fellow American Samir Khan. |
1286 | 01:04:07,708 | 01:04:10,041 | [ Men chanting in Arabic ] | [ Men chanting in Arabic ] |
1287 | 01:04:10,041 | 01:04:13,166 | The problem here is that the U.S. has done something | The problem here is that the U.S. has done something |
1288 | 01:04:13,166 | 01:04:15,333 | that I don't think it has ever done before. | that I don't think it has ever done before. |
1289 | 01:04:15,333 | 01:04:17,208 | It has killed one of its citizens, | It has killed one of its citizens, |
1290 | 01:04:17,208 | 01:04:18,792 | somewhere else around the world, | somewhere else around the world, |
1291 | 01:04:18,792 | 01:04:21,333 | without any due process at all. | without any due process at all. |
1292 | 01:04:21,333 | 01:04:24,458 | I've got real concerns about it because it sets a precedent. | I've got real concerns about it because it sets a precedent. |
1293 | 01:04:24,458 | 01:04:26,667 | Reporter: Two weeks after his father was killed | Reporter: Two weeks after his father was killed |
1294 | 01:04:26,667 | 01:04:28,166 | in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen, | in a U.S. drone strike in Yemen, |
1295 | 01:04:28,166 | 01:04:29,458 | the younger al-Awlaki | the younger al-Awlaki |
1296 | 01:04:29,458 | 01:04:31,166 | was also killed by a drone there. | was also killed by a drone there. |
1297 | 01:04:31,166 | 01:04:34,083 | It's not known whether he was targeted in that attack. | It's not known whether he was targeted in that attack. |
1298 | 01:04:34,083 | 01:04:34,834 | Reporter: He was 16 years old, | Reporter: He was 16 years old, |
1299 | 01:04:34,834 | 01:04:37,166 | and there is no public evidence | and there is no public evidence |
1300 | 01:04:37,166 | 01:04:40,291 | he was a member of the al-Qaeda network in Yemen. | he was a member of the al-Qaeda network in Yemen. |
1301 | 01:04:42,542 | 01:04:44,792 | Fishman: Awlaki was not the most senior figure | Fishman: Awlaki was not the most senior figure |
1302 | 01:04:44,792 | 01:04:45,542 | in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. | in al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula. |
1303 | 01:04:45,542 | 01:04:48,083 | AQAP will go on. | AQAP will go on. |
1304 | 01:04:48,083 | 01:04:48,875 | I think we've missed an opportunity | I think we've missed an opportunity |
1305 | 01:04:48,875 | 01:04:51,875 | to do more than just kill him, | to do more than just kill him, |
1306 | 01:04:51,875 | 01:04:54,625 | but to discredit the ideas that he pushed for years. | but to discredit the ideas that he pushed for years. |
1307 | 01:04:54,625 | 01:04:57,166 | We killed the messenger, | We killed the messenger, |
1308 | 01:04:57,166 | 01:04:59,291 | but we did not kill the message. | but we did not kill the message. |
1309 | 01:05:05,208 | 01:05:07,417 | [ Train whistle blares ] | [ Train whistle blares ] |
1310 | 01:05:14,667 | 01:05:16,792 | Kensky: It was a beautiful day. The sun was out. | Kensky: It was a beautiful day. The sun was out. |
1311 | 01:05:16,792 | 01:05:19,750 | People laughing and cheering. | People laughing and cheering. |
1312 | 01:05:22,125 | 01:05:25,000 | Downes: We wanted to be there at the finish line, | Downes: We wanted to be there at the finish line, |
1313 | 01:05:25,000 | 01:05:27,125 | even though we didn't have any specific person | even though we didn't have any specific person |
1314 | 01:05:27,125 | 01:05:28,959 | who we were looking for. | who we were looking for. |
1315 | 01:05:28,959 | 01:05:31,625 | It was about being there as a part of the city. | It was about being there as a part of the city. |
1316 | 01:05:31,625 | 01:05:34,542 | [ Cheers and applause ] | [ Cheers and applause ] |
1317 | 01:05:45,000 | 01:05:47,291 | Woman: Something just blew up! | Woman: Something just blew up! |
1318 | 01:05:47,291 | 01:05:50,291 | All of a sudden, it just felt like we were on a rocket. | All of a sudden, it just felt like we were on a rocket. |
1319 | 01:05:50,291 | 01:05:54,041 | And we shot up together and landed next to each other. | And we shot up together and landed next to each other. |
1320 | 01:05:54,041 | 01:05:56,583 | [ People screaming ] | [ People screaming ] |
1321 | 01:06:00,917 | 01:06:03,250 | There was smoke everywhere and people screaming | There was smoke everywhere and people screaming |
1322 | 01:06:03,250 | 01:06:05,125 | and a lot of chaos. | and a lot of chaos. |
1323 | 01:06:11,166 | 01:06:15,083 | Shreiber: The Boston Marathon bombing killed three | Shreiber: The Boston Marathon bombing killed three |
1324 | 01:06:15,083 | 01:06:16,959 | and injured hundreds of others, | and injured hundreds of others, |
1325 | 01:06:16,959 | 01:06:21,417 | 17 of whom, including Jess and Patrick, lost limbs. | 17 of whom, including Jess and Patrick, lost limbs. |
1326 | 01:06:21,917 | 01:06:24,291 | [ Horns blaring ] | [ Horns blaring ] |
1327 | 01:06:24,291 | 01:06:26,959 | Get back! | Get back! |
1328 | 01:06:26,959 | 01:06:28,750 | Morton: I was in prison when Boston happened. | Morton: I was in prison when Boston happened. |
1329 | 01:06:28,750 | 01:06:31,625 | And I was numb. | And I was numb. |
1330 | 01:06:31,625 | 01:06:35,542 | I was, like, shaking, especially when it came out | I was, like, shaking, especially when it came out |
1331 | 01:06:35,542 | 01:06:37,708 | that the bombs used in the attack | that the bombs used in the attack |
1332 | 01:06:37,708 | 01:06:41,417 | were built upon the article inside of the magazine | were built upon the article inside of the magazine |
1333 | 01:06:41,417 | 01:06:43,125 | that I essentially laid a template for | that I essentially laid a template for |
1334 | 01:06:43,125 | 01:06:45,875 | with Samir Khan and Anwar al-Awlaki. | with Samir Khan and Anwar al-Awlaki. |
1335 | 01:06:49,291 | 01:06:50,333 | [ Horn honks, sirens wail ] | [ Horn honks, sirens wail ] |
1336 | 01:06:50,333 | 01:06:54,500 | It's almost like being insane and coming to. | It's almost like being insane and coming to. |
1337 | 01:06:54,500 | 01:06:58,458 | You see the consequences of ideas in the real world, | You see the consequences of ideas in the real world, |
1338 | 01:06:58,458 | 01:07:00,500 | and it's catastrophic. | and it's catastrophic. |
1339 | 01:07:00,500 | 01:07:02,959 | [ Indistinct shouting ] | [ Indistinct shouting ] |
1340 | 01:07:02,959 | 01:07:08,834 | Miller: An attack on a live, televised, iconic American event -- | Miller: An attack on a live, televised, iconic American event -- |
1341 | 01:07:08,834 | 01:07:11,542 | that shakes America's soul to the core. | that shakes America's soul to the core. |
1342 | 01:07:13,041 | 01:07:15,166 | And the question is, "Who did this? | And the question is, "Who did this? |
1343 | 01:07:15,166 | 01:07:18,542 | And who sent them? And who ordered it?" | And who sent them? And who ordered it?" |
1344 | 01:07:18,542 | 01:07:22,000 | And the answer is, "Nobody sent them." | And the answer is, "Nobody sent them." |
1345 | 01:07:22,000 | 01:07:24,625 | You know, they drank the Kool-Aid on the computer. | You know, they drank the Kool-Aid on the computer. |
1346 | 01:07:27,041 | 01:07:28,875 | Berger: The two brothers -- | Berger: The two brothers -- |
1347 | 01:07:28,875 | 01:07:31,750 | Tamerlan and the younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- | Tamerlan and the younger brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev -- |
1348 | 01:07:31,750 | 01:07:33,208 | one was an American citizen, | one was an American citizen, |
1349 | 01:07:33,208 | 01:07:34,458 | the other one was a legal permanent resident. | the other one was a legal permanent resident. |
1350 | 01:07:34,458 | 01:07:38,041 | They'd been in this country since they were children. | They'd been in this country since they were children. |
1351 | 01:07:38,041 | 01:07:39,708 | They radicalized here in the United States. | They radicalized here in the United States. |
1352 | 01:07:39,708 | 01:07:42,708 | They didn't radicalize elsewhere. | They didn't radicalize elsewhere. |
1353 | 01:07:42,708 | 01:07:45,208 | The perpetrators of this crime | The perpetrators of this crime |
1354 | 01:07:45,208 | 01:07:47,708 | lived a mile from our front door. | lived a mile from our front door. |
1355 | 01:07:47,708 | 01:07:49,875 | They both attended high school where my -- | They both attended high school where my -- |
1356 | 01:07:49,875 | 01:07:52,375 | Patrick's parents met. | Patrick's parents met. |
1357 | 01:07:52,375 | 01:07:54,166 | Reporter: A teacher who knew him | Reporter: A teacher who knew him |
1358 | 01:07:54,166 | 01:07:56,875 | at Rindge and Latin High School in Cambridge was stunned. | at Rindge and Latin High School in Cambridge was stunned. |
1359 | 01:07:56,875 | 01:07:58,291 | There's nothing about him | There's nothing about him |
1360 | 01:07:58,291 | 01:08:00,291 | that would suggest anything like this -- | that would suggest anything like this -- |
1361 | 01:08:00,291 | 01:08:03,333 | politics, religion, nothing. | politics, religion, nothing. |
1362 | 01:08:03,333 | 01:08:05,291 | These weren't outsiders. | These weren't outsiders. |
1363 | 01:08:05,291 | 01:08:07,458 | We were members of the same community. | We were members of the same community. |
1364 | 01:08:07,458 | 01:08:10,625 | So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. | So it's even more confusing and harder to understand. |
1365 | 01:08:12,291 | 01:08:14,708 | Miller: If you look at Tamerlan Tsarnaev, | Miller: If you look at Tamerlan Tsarnaev, |
1366 | 01:08:14,708 | 01:08:17,875 | here's a kid who comes to America from Chechnya. | here's a kid who comes to America from Chechnya. |
1367 | 01:08:17,875 | 01:08:21,083 | He wants to get girls and money and things, | He wants to get girls and money and things, |
1368 | 01:08:21,083 | 01:08:24,250 | be on the U.S. Olympic boxing team. | be on the U.S. Olympic boxing team. |
1369 | 01:08:24,250 | 01:08:25,208 | They changed the rule. | They changed the rule. |
1370 | 01:08:25,208 | 01:08:27,083 | "You're a legal permanent resident, | "You're a legal permanent resident, |
1371 | 01:08:27,083 | 01:08:30,041 | but not a U.S. citizen, you're off." | but not a U.S. citizen, you're off." |
1372 | 01:08:30,041 | 01:08:32,959 | Soufan: That, I believe, created identity problems for him. | Soufan: That, I believe, created identity problems for him. |
1373 | 01:08:32,959 | 01:08:36,792 | He became very angry, very mad. | He became very angry, very mad. |
1374 | 01:08:36,792 | 01:08:38,500 | He went to the Internet. | He went to the Internet. |
1375 | 01:08:38,500 | 01:08:41,583 | In the Internet, he found already established conflicts | In the Internet, he found already established conflicts |
1376 | 01:08:41,583 | 01:08:43,125 | that he can relate to. | that he can relate to. |
1377 | 01:08:43,125 | 01:08:46,041 | It's the war in Chechnya. | It's the war in Chechnya. |
1378 | 01:08:46,041 | 01:08:48,792 | He stumbled into people like Anwar al-Awlaki | He stumbled into people like Anwar al-Awlaki |
1379 | 01:08:48,792 | 01:08:51,125 | and his fiery sermons. | and his fiery sermons. |
1380 | 01:08:51,125 | 01:08:54,166 | And then, suddenly, he decides | And then, suddenly, he decides |
1381 | 01:08:54,166 | 01:08:55,959 | that he is not accepted in America. | that he is not accepted in America. |
1382 | 01:08:55,959 | 01:08:58,250 | He is not an American, he is a Muslim, | He is not an American, he is a Muslim, |
1383 | 01:08:58,250 | 01:09:00,458 | and he has to fight for Islam. | and he has to fight for Islam. |
1384 | 01:09:01,708 | 01:09:04,917 | Berger: Tamerlan Tsarnaev really saw himself as a heroic figure | Berger: Tamerlan Tsarnaev really saw himself as a heroic figure |
1385 | 01:09:04,917 | 01:09:08,208 | whose dreams of Olympic-level glory faded over time. | whose dreams of Olympic-level glory faded over time. |
1386 | 01:09:09,708 | 01:09:11,250 | The Boston Marathon attack was a way | The Boston Marathon attack was a way |
1387 | 01:09:11,250 | 01:09:12,083 | to turn himself once again | to turn himself once again |
1388 | 01:09:12,083 | 01:09:15,917 | into the hero of his own story. | into the hero of his own story. |
1389 | 01:09:15,917 | 01:09:19,166 | The younger brother, Dzhokhar, was not an observant Muslim. | The younger brother, Dzhokhar, was not an observant Muslim. |
1390 | 01:09:19,166 | 01:09:21,000 | He was smoking marijuana | He was smoking marijuana |
1391 | 01:09:21,000 | 01:09:23,083 | and chasing girls and drinking. | and chasing girls and drinking. |
1392 | 01:09:23,083 | 01:09:25,041 | For him, I think it was the influence | For him, I think it was the influence |
1393 | 01:09:25,041 | 01:09:27,375 | of his older brother and Anwar Awlaki. | of his older brother and Anwar Awlaki. |
1394 | 01:09:30,166 | 01:09:31,333 | Shreiber: A month before the attack, | Shreiber: A month before the attack, |
1395 | 01:09:31,333 | 01:09:35,125 | Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tweeted about Awlaki. | Dzhokhar Tsarnaev tweeted about Awlaki. |
1396 | 01:09:38,125 | 01:09:40,667 | Miller: So, they watch Anwar al-Awlaki's videos, | Miller: So, they watch Anwar al-Awlaki's videos, |
1397 | 01:09:40,667 | 01:09:43,333 | and they got inspiration from those. | and they got inspiration from those. |
1398 | 01:09:43,333 | 01:09:45,875 | But there's no sign that they communicated back, | But there's no sign that they communicated back, |
1399 | 01:09:45,875 | 01:09:49,583 | in a two-way street, with any terrorist organization. | in a two-way street, with any terrorist organization. |
1400 | 01:09:49,583 | 01:09:51,166 | Now, a lot of people will go back on that and say, | Now, a lot of people will go back on that and say, |
1401 | 01:09:51,166 | 01:09:53,834 | "Well, the Russians tipped the FBI, | "Well, the Russians tipped the FBI, |
1402 | 01:09:53,834 | 01:09:55,500 | and the FBI looked at them." | and the FBI looked at them." |
1403 | 01:09:55,500 | 01:09:58,792 | Shreiber: Two years prior to the Marathon bombing, | Shreiber: Two years prior to the Marathon bombing, |
1404 | 01:09:58,792 | 01:10:01,125 | Russian intelligence sent a tip to the FBI | Russian intelligence sent a tip to the FBI |
1405 | 01:10:01,125 | 01:10:02,250 | about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, | about Tamerlan Tsarnaev, |
1406 | 01:10:02,250 | 01:10:06,583 | citing possible ties to violent extremists. | citing possible ties to violent extremists. |
1407 | 01:10:09,166 | 01:10:12,667 | Miller: The FBI can open a preliminary investigation | Miller: The FBI can open a preliminary investigation |
1408 | 01:10:12,667 | 01:10:15,083 | that basically says, "We got a tip on this person," | that basically says, "We got a tip on this person," |
1409 | 01:10:15,083 | 01:10:16,625 | and they can run that for 90 days. | and they can run that for 90 days. |
1410 | 01:10:16,625 | 01:10:20,792 | But at the end of the day, if you haven't found grist | But at the end of the day, if you haven't found grist |
1411 | 01:10:20,792 | 01:10:24,542 | for that initial allegation, then you have to close it. | for that initial allegation, then you have to close it. |
1412 | 01:10:25,917 | 01:10:29,291 | Berger: The problem is, you can't watch everybody all the time. | Berger: The problem is, you can't watch everybody all the time. |
1413 | 01:10:30,792 | 01:10:33,417 | An FBI surveillance team surveil one person for a week. | An FBI surveillance team surveil one person for a week. |
1414 | 01:10:33,417 | 01:10:35,041 | It takes a team of like a dozen people | It takes a team of like a dozen people |
1415 | 01:10:35,041 | 01:10:38,708 | working around the clock. | working around the clock. |
1416 | 01:10:38,708 | 01:10:40,166 | Some of these cases | Some of these cases |
1417 | 01:10:40,166 | 01:10:41,375 | are always going to slip through the cracks. | are always going to slip through the cracks. |
1418 | 01:10:43,792 | 01:10:44,917 | There's no such thing as a perfect system | There's no such thing as a perfect system |
1419 | 01:10:44,917 | 01:10:46,417 | for catching them all. | for catching them all. |
1420 | 01:10:48,708 | 01:10:52,375 | Miller: If the conspiracy was just between two brothers, | Miller: If the conspiracy was just between two brothers, |
1421 | 01:10:52,375 | 01:10:55,500 | your ability to get in front of that plot is very challenged. | your ability to get in front of that plot is very challenged. |
1422 | 01:10:56,500 | 01:11:01,166 | So, gone is the complex terrorist organization | So, gone is the complex terrorist organization |
1423 | 01:11:01,166 | 01:11:03,542 | with hierarchical command and control. | with hierarchical command and control. |
1424 | 01:11:03,542 | 01:11:06,041 | You're seeing lower-scale attacks, | You're seeing lower-scale attacks, |
1425 | 01:11:06,041 | 01:11:08,917 | lower levels of casualties, | lower levels of casualties, |
1426 | 01:11:08,917 | 01:11:12,125 | but the psychological effects are still there. | but the psychological effects are still there. |
1427 | 01:11:14,291 | 01:11:17,250 | America suffers the PTSD of 9/11, | America suffers the PTSD of 9/11, |
1428 | 01:11:17,250 | 01:11:20,291 | which, in turn, magnifies the impact | which, in turn, magnifies the impact |
1429 | 01:11:20,291 | 01:11:22,667 | of all these events, large or small. | of all these events, large or small. |
1430 | 01:11:30,291 | 01:11:32,375 | Morton: I was awaiting my sentencing hearing. | Morton: I was awaiting my sentencing hearing. |
1431 | 01:11:34,333 | 01:11:35,708 | I'm sitting in my cell, | I'm sitting in my cell, |
1432 | 01:11:35,708 | 01:11:38,250 | and one of the inmates, a young man, | and one of the inmates, a young man, |
1433 | 01:11:38,250 | 01:11:40,208 | tells me that he was thwarted in his efforts | tells me that he was thwarted in his efforts |
1434 | 01:11:40,208 | 01:11:42,542 | to conduct a terrorist attack, | to conduct a terrorist attack, |
1435 | 01:11:42,542 | 01:11:45,166 | and he tells me about people on the outside | and he tells me about people on the outside |
1436 | 01:11:45,166 | 01:11:46,500 | that he left further plans with. | that he left further plans with. |
1437 | 01:11:49,125 | 01:11:52,417 | Me and the FBI are developing a relationship, | Me and the FBI are developing a relationship, |
1438 | 01:11:52,417 | 01:11:53,333 | and so I tell them. | and so I tell them. |
1439 | 01:11:53,333 | 01:11:56,000 | They need confirmation of the plot. | They need confirmation of the plot. |
1440 | 01:11:56,000 | 01:11:57,458 | Long story short, | Long story short, |
1441 | 01:11:57,458 | 01:12:00,750 | that was the very first piece of cooperation. | that was the very first piece of cooperation. |
1442 | 01:12:00,750 | 01:12:02,625 | That relationship with the FBI continued, | That relationship with the FBI continued, |
1443 | 01:12:02,625 | 01:12:06,291 | and that was major part of my further de-radicalization. | and that was major part of my further de-radicalization. |
1444 | 01:12:10,458 | 01:12:13,000 | I really can't comment on any specifics. | I really can't comment on any specifics. |
1445 | 01:12:13,000 | 01:12:16,333 | I can say that my cooperation yielded significant gains. | I can say that my cooperation yielded significant gains. |
1446 | 01:12:16,333 | 01:12:19,166 | Some of you might remember me, | Some of you might remember me, |
1447 | 01:12:19,166 | 01:12:21,125 | and others of you don't know who I am. | and others of you don't know who I am. |
1448 | 01:12:21,125 | 01:12:23,500 | But I'm the former emir of Revolution Muslim. | But I'm the former emir of Revolution Muslim. |
1449 | 01:12:23,500 | 01:12:25,959 | Shreiber: In exchange for his cooperation, | Shreiber: In exchange for his cooperation, |
1450 | 01:12:25,959 | 01:12:28,208 | Jesse was released after serving less than 3 years | Jesse was released after serving less than 3 years |
1451 | 01:12:28,208 | 01:12:31,000 | of his 11 1/2-year sentence. | of his 11 1/2-year sentence. |
1452 | 01:12:31,000 | 01:12:32,750 | I was extradited from Morocco. | I was extradited from Morocco. |
1453 | 01:12:32,750 | 01:12:34,458 | Shreiber: Jesse also agreed to re-embed himself | Shreiber: Jesse also agreed to re-embed himself |
1454 | 01:12:34,458 | 01:12:37,542 | as an undercover informant for the FBI. | as an undercover informant for the FBI. |
1455 | 01:12:37,542 | 01:12:41,792 | He recorded this video and posted it online. | He recorded this video and posted it online. |
1456 | 01:12:41,792 | 01:12:44,500 | Nobody would have ever believed that Younus Abdullah Muhammad | Nobody would have ever believed that Younus Abdullah Muhammad |
1457 | 01:12:44,500 | 01:12:47,041 | would have de-radicalized, or that Younus Abdullah Muhammad | would have de-radicalized, or that Younus Abdullah Muhammad |
1458 | 01:12:47,041 | 01:12:48,500 | would have cooperated with police. | would have cooperated with police. |
1459 | 01:12:48,500 | 01:12:50,417 | The world is a very different place, | The world is a very different place, |
1460 | 01:12:50,417 | 01:12:51,250 | but I'm hoping that some of you | but I'm hoping that some of you |
1461 | 01:12:51,250 | 01:12:53,750 | might be courageous enough | might be courageous enough |
1462 | 01:12:53,750 | 01:12:55,708 | to welcome me back to it. | to welcome me back to it. |
1463 | 01:12:55,708 | 01:12:57,750 | All the old buddies reached out -- | All the old buddies reached out -- |
1464 | 01:12:57,750 | 01:13:00,166 | everybody that I had previous contact with -- | everybody that I had previous contact with -- |
1465 | 01:13:00,166 | 01:13:01,917 | and I re-embedded myself in a network | and I re-embedded myself in a network |
1466 | 01:13:01,917 | 01:13:07,458 | that I really saw had become much more serious | that I really saw had become much more serious |
1467 | 01:13:07,458 | 01:13:10,000 | than before I went to prison. | than before I went to prison. |
1468 | 01:13:16,041 | 01:13:19,166 | ISIS is a metastasization of al-Qaeda. | ISIS is a metastasization of al-Qaeda. |
1469 | 01:13:19,166 | 01:13:22,375 | Essentially, the ideology is the same. | Essentially, the ideology is the same. |
1470 | 01:13:22,375 | 01:13:24,917 | But the reason that ISIS is so effective in radicalizing | But the reason that ISIS is so effective in radicalizing |
1471 | 01:13:24,917 | 01:13:27,333 | and promoting terrorism in Western countries | and promoting terrorism in Western countries |
1472 | 01:13:27,333 | 01:13:29,375 | is because they've established something al-Qaeda never could, | is because they've established something al-Qaeda never could, |
1473 | 01:13:29,375 | 01:13:33,500 | and that is the Khilafah, the Caliphate. | and that is the Khilafah, the Caliphate. |
1474 | 01:13:43,667 | 01:13:46,000 | Miller: ISIS was al-Qaeda of Iraq. | Miller: ISIS was al-Qaeda of Iraq. |
1475 | 01:13:46,000 | 01:13:48,291 | And they said, "Syria is a jump ball. | And they said, "Syria is a jump ball. |
1476 | 01:13:48,291 | 01:13:49,959 | That's free real estate. | That's free real estate. |
1477 | 01:13:49,959 | 01:13:52,625 | Let's grab our piece of it. We'll plant the flag. | Let's grab our piece of it. We'll plant the flag. |
1478 | 01:13:52,625 | 01:13:55,083 | We'll call it the Islamic State." | We'll call it the Islamic State." |
1479 | 01:13:55,083 | 01:13:59,083 | Man: This is our Khilafah in all its glory, | Man: This is our Khilafah in all its glory, |
1480 | 01:13:59,083 | 01:14:00,792 | remaining and expanding. | remaining and expanding. |
1481 | 01:14:00,792 | 01:14:02,458 | Hitchens: Therefore, what you're doing, | Hitchens: Therefore, what you're doing, |
1482 | 01:14:02,458 | 01:14:03,166 | the violence you're perpetrating, | the violence you're perpetrating, |
1483 | 01:14:03,166 | 01:14:04,667 | is actually the positive. | is actually the positive. |
1484 | 01:14:04,667 | 01:14:08,250 | It is the preservation of the Caliphate itself. | It is the preservation of the Caliphate itself. |
1485 | 01:14:14,750 | 01:14:17,750 | Berger: You know, the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge | Berger: You know, the Nazis and the Khmer Rouge |
1486 | 01:14:17,750 | 01:14:20,917 | went to great lengths to hide their war crimes. | went to great lengths to hide their war crimes. |
1487 | 01:14:20,917 | 01:14:25,208 | ISIS has broadcast them for everybody to see. | ISIS has broadcast them for everybody to see. |
1488 | 01:14:25,208 | 01:14:28,291 | Miller: It's run as terrorism mass marketing | Miller: It's run as terrorism mass marketing |
1489 | 01:14:28,291 | 01:14:30,917 | through social media. | through social media. |
1490 | 01:14:30,917 | 01:14:32,875 | Berger: ISIS has built its recruitment success | Berger: ISIS has built its recruitment success |
1491 | 01:14:32,875 | 01:14:36,959 | on its ability to project an image of military success. | on its ability to project an image of military success. |
1492 | 01:14:36,959 | 01:14:39,125 | Fire! | Fire! |
1493 | 01:14:39,125 | 01:14:40,875 | What we're seeing is that | What we're seeing is that |
1494 | 01:14:40,875 | 01:14:44,542 | as they are less able to claim that success, | as they are less able to claim that success, |
1495 | 01:14:44,542 | 01:14:46,291 | as they lose on the ground, | as they lose on the ground, |
1496 | 01:14:46,291 | 01:14:49,792 | some of their appeal is also going away. | some of their appeal is also going away. |
1497 | 01:14:49,792 | 01:14:51,875 | [ Men speaking Arabic ] | [ Men speaking Arabic ] |
1498 | 01:14:51,875 | 01:14:53,708 | ISIS' first priority was get people | ISIS' first priority was get people |
1499 | 01:14:53,708 | 01:14:56,500 | to travel to join them in Iraq and Syria. | to travel to join them in Iraq and Syria. |
1500 | 01:14:56,500 | 01:14:57,917 | They no longer urge that. | They no longer urge that. |
1501 | 01:14:57,917 | 01:14:59,667 | They want people to stay and attack in place, | They want people to stay and attack in place, |
1502 | 01:14:59,667 | 01:15:01,792 | because there is no pragmatic way for them | because there is no pragmatic way for them |
1503 | 01:15:01,792 | 01:15:04,291 | to get them over the border, get them into place. | to get them over the border, get them into place. |
1504 | 01:15:04,291 | 01:15:08,708 | You have two choices -- either hijra or jihad. | You have two choices -- either hijra or jihad. |
1505 | 01:15:08,708 | 01:15:10,583 | You either leave or you fight. | You either leave or you fight. |
1506 | 01:15:10,583 | 01:15:13,500 | Berger: ISIS has adopted Awlaki. | Berger: ISIS has adopted Awlaki. |
1507 | 01:15:13,500 | 01:15:15,500 | So he is as much an influence for them | So he is as much an influence for them |
1508 | 01:15:15,500 | 01:15:16,500 | as he is for al-Qaeda at this point. | as he is for al-Qaeda at this point. |
1509 | 01:15:16,500 | 01:15:19,000 | "If you can't fight the enemy here, | "If you can't fight the enemy here, |
1510 | 01:15:19,000 | 01:15:20,333 | fight it where you are, | fight it where you are, |
1511 | 01:15:20,333 | 01:15:22,750 | whether that's New York, Chicago, L.A., | whether that's New York, Chicago, L.A., |
1512 | 01:15:22,750 | 01:15:24,667 | or Orlando, Florida." | or Orlando, Florida." |
1513 | 01:15:29,333 | 01:15:32,166 | Shreiber: Born in New York, Omar Mateen moved to Florida | Shreiber: Born in New York, Omar Mateen moved to Florida |
1514 | 01:15:32,166 | 01:15:34,125 | with his family at a young age. | with his family at a young age. |
1515 | 01:15:36,166 | 01:15:38,000 | Mateen's school years were checkered | Mateen's school years were checkered |
1516 | 01:15:38,000 | 01:15:41,000 | with fights and expulsions. | with fights and expulsions. |
1517 | 01:15:41,000 | 01:15:42,166 | It was a pattern of behavior | It was a pattern of behavior |
1518 | 01:15:42,166 | 01:15:46,041 | that would follow him to his job as a security officer. | that would follow him to his job as a security officer. |
1519 | 01:15:48,750 | 01:15:51,041 | When his second marriage produced a son, | When his second marriage produced a son, |
1520 | 01:15:51,041 | 01:15:53,583 | Mateen appeared to be settling down. | Mateen appeared to be settling down. |
1521 | 01:15:54,959 | 01:15:57,333 | But something he said at his local mosque | But something he said at his local mosque |
1522 | 01:15:57,333 | 01:15:59,667 | led a fellow worshiper to call the FBI. | led a fellow worshiper to call the FBI. |
1523 | 01:16:08,792 | 01:16:12,834 | Based on the tip, the FBI interviewed Mateen. | Based on the tip, the FBI interviewed Mateen. |
1524 | 01:16:12,834 | 01:16:16,083 | But the field officer assigned to the case | But the field officer assigned to the case |
1525 | 01:16:16,083 | 01:16:19,500 | concluded that Mateen was not a terrorist. | concluded that Mateen was not a terrorist. |
1526 | 01:16:19,500 | 01:16:20,792 | "I don't believe he will go postal." | "I don't believe he will go postal." |
1527 | 01:16:25,208 | 01:16:26,208 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
1528 | 01:16:26,208 | 01:16:27,208 | [ Gunshots ] | [ Gunshots ] |
1529 | 01:16:27,208 | 01:16:29,750 | Officer: Gunfire, gunfire! Gunfire, gunfire! | Officer: Gunfire, gunfire! Gunfire, gunfire! |
1530 | 01:16:29,750 | 01:16:32,708 | [ Sirens wail ] | [ Sirens wail ] |
1531 | 01:16:32,708 | 01:16:35,417 | Position of cover. | Position of cover. |
1532 | 01:16:35,417 | 01:16:36,542 | [ Phone rings ] | [ Phone rings ] |
1533 | 01:16:48,458 | 01:16:53,083 | Soufan: Mateen is an individual who wanted to be a policeman. | Soufan: Mateen is an individual who wanted to be a policeman. |
1534 | 01:16:53,083 | 01:16:54,708 | Because of psychological testings, | Because of psychological testings, |
1535 | 01:16:54,708 | 01:16:57,792 | he was not able to be a policeman. | he was not able to be a policeman. |
1536 | 01:16:57,792 | 01:17:02,750 | That triggered him to go on a totally different path. | That triggered him to go on a totally different path. |
1537 | 01:17:12,333 | 01:17:14,458 | [ Sirens wail ] | [ Sirens wail ] |
1538 | 01:17:14,458 | 01:17:19,000 | In Orlando, 49 were killed and 53 others were wounded. | In Orlando, 49 were killed and 53 others were wounded. |
1539 | 01:17:20,500 | 01:17:22,458 | It was the deadliest mass shooting | It was the deadliest mass shooting |
1540 | 01:17:22,458 | 01:17:24,792 | by a single shooter in U.S. history. | by a single shooter in U.S. history. |
1541 | 01:17:25,792 | 01:17:29,250 | Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Khilafah, | Omar Mateen, one of the soldiers of the Khilafah, |
1542 | 01:17:29,250 | 01:17:32,208 | was one of the few that was truthful to his Lord. | was one of the few that was truthful to his Lord. |
1543 | 01:17:32,208 | 01:17:34,917 | ISIS is very happy to take advantage of that | ISIS is very happy to take advantage of that |
1544 | 01:17:34,917 | 01:17:36,291 | and say, "Hey, see? | and say, "Hey, see? |
1545 | 01:17:36,291 | 01:17:38,083 | They responded to our message, | They responded to our message, |
1546 | 01:17:38,083 | 01:17:40,250 | and they are soldiers of the Caliphate. | and they are soldiers of the Caliphate. |
1547 | 01:17:40,250 | 01:17:42,250 | Look what they did in America." | Look what they did in America." |
1548 | 01:17:42,250 | 01:17:45,708 | But are they really soldiers of the Caliphate? | But are they really soldiers of the Caliphate? |
1549 | 01:17:45,708 | 01:17:50,458 | No. The only relationship they have is a narrative | No. The only relationship they have is a narrative |
1550 | 01:17:50,458 | 01:17:53,625 | that convinced them to commit murder, | that convinced them to commit murder, |
1551 | 01:17:53,625 | 01:17:55,291 | to commit terrorism, | to commit terrorism, |
1552 | 01:17:55,291 | 01:17:59,250 | in order to justify some sick feelings inside them. | in order to justify some sick feelings inside them. |
1553 | 01:17:59,250 | 01:18:01,083 | Same thing with San Bernardino. | Same thing with San Bernardino. |
1554 | 01:18:01,542 | 01:18:04,166 | He went berserk. | He went berserk. |
1555 | 01:18:04,166 | 01:18:06,875 | He met his wife, and they killed a lot of his co-workers. | He met his wife, and they killed a lot of his co-workers. |
1556 | 01:18:09,417 | 01:18:10,667 | Shreiber: In San Bernardino, | Shreiber: In San Bernardino, |
1557 | 01:18:10,667 | 01:18:13,917 | 14 were killed and 24 were wounded. | 14 were killed and 24 were wounded. |
1558 | 01:18:13,917 | 01:18:16,375 | Berger: The links to ISIS from that attack | Berger: The links to ISIS from that attack |
1559 | 01:18:16,375 | 01:18:18,875 | are very, very unclear. | are very, very unclear. |
1560 | 01:18:18,875 | 01:18:21,458 | But because ISIS judged accurately | But because ISIS judged accurately |
1561 | 01:18:21,458 | 01:18:24,166 | that they could make this claim credibly | that they could make this claim credibly |
1562 | 01:18:24,166 | 01:18:26,000 | and that nobody would really push back on it, | and that nobody would really push back on it, |
1563 | 01:18:26,000 | 01:18:28,333 | it's become part of the ISIS folklore now | it's become part of the ISIS folklore now |
1564 | 01:18:28,333 | 01:18:30,041 | that this was an ISIS attack. | that this was an ISIS attack. |
1565 | 01:18:30,041 | 01:18:33,917 | Soufan: It is an ideology that can convince an individual | Soufan: It is an ideology that can convince an individual |
1566 | 01:18:33,917 | 01:18:35,834 | to kill for the name of the Caliphate | to kill for the name of the Caliphate |
1567 | 01:18:35,834 | 01:18:37,708 | or for the name of al-Qaeda. | or for the name of al-Qaeda. |
1568 | 01:18:37,708 | 01:18:41,667 | If we don't combat the narrative, | If we don't combat the narrative, |
1569 | 01:18:41,667 | 01:18:45,291 | if we don't kill the ideology, | if we don't kill the ideology, |
1570 | 01:18:45,291 | 01:18:49,375 | we're going to continue to play a game of whack-a-mole. | we're going to continue to play a game of whack-a-mole. |
1571 | 01:18:49,375 | 01:18:51,875 | [ Cheers and applause ] | [ Cheers and applause ] |
1572 | 01:18:51,875 | 01:18:54,792 | Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown | Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown |
1573 | 01:18:54,792 | 01:18:59,125 | of Muslims entering the United States | of Muslims entering the United States |
1574 | 01:18:59,125 | 01:19:02,375 | until our country's representatives | until our country's representatives |
1575 | 01:19:02,375 | 01:19:06,417 | can figure out what the hell is going on. | can figure out what the hell is going on. |
1576 | 01:19:06,417 | 01:19:09,291 | [ Cheers and applause ] | [ Cheers and applause ] |
1577 | 01:19:09,291 | 01:19:11,583 | Isolating American Muslim community | Isolating American Muslim community |
1578 | 01:19:11,583 | 01:19:13,208 | by making the statement, | by making the statement, |
1579 | 01:19:13,208 | 01:19:14,583 | this hurts us twice -- | this hurts us twice -- |
1580 | 01:19:14,583 | 01:19:17,708 | as Americans and as Muslims. | as Americans and as Muslims. |
1581 | 01:19:17,708 | 01:19:19,959 | Protection of the nation | Protection of the nation |
1582 | 01:19:19,959 | 01:19:25,208 | from foreign terrorist entry into the United States. | from foreign terrorist entry into the United States. |
1583 | 01:19:25,208 | 01:19:25,959 | That's big stuff. | That's big stuff. |
1584 | 01:19:29,375 | 01:19:32,500 | Let's say we banned all immigration tomorrow. | Let's say we banned all immigration tomorrow. |
1585 | 01:19:32,500 | 01:19:34,250 | That wouldn't solve the problem. | That wouldn't solve the problem. |
1586 | 01:19:34,250 | 01:19:35,417 | People are being radicalized | People are being radicalized |
1587 | 01:19:35,417 | 01:19:37,583 | in their bedrooms by the Internet, | in their bedrooms by the Internet, |
1588 | 01:19:37,583 | 01:19:40,542 | which is not susceptible to being banned. | which is not susceptible to being banned. |
1589 | 01:19:40,542 | 01:19:42,166 | So, that being the case, | So, that being the case, |
1590 | 01:19:42,166 | 01:19:46,083 | what you need is not to alienate the Muslim community, | what you need is not to alienate the Muslim community, |
1591 | 01:19:46,083 | 01:19:48,083 | you need to enlist them. | you need to enlist them. |
1592 | 01:19:50,166 | 01:19:57,041 | Royer: This is absolutely playing into the hands of ISIS. | Royer: This is absolutely playing into the hands of ISIS. |
1593 | 01:19:57,041 | 01:19:59,250 | You're already seeing, on social media, | You're already seeing, on social media, |
1594 | 01:19:59,250 | 01:20:01,417 | pro-ISIS radicals claiming victory. | pro-ISIS radicals claiming victory. |
1595 | 01:20:01,417 | 01:20:06,208 | The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens. | The West will eventually turn against its Muslim citizens. |
1596 | 01:20:08,083 | 01:20:10,250 | If that view gains currency, | If that view gains currency, |
1597 | 01:20:10,250 | 01:20:13,458 | which one fears that it might, | which one fears that it might, |
1598 | 01:20:13,458 | 01:20:16,000 | that would have the effect of, in fact, | that would have the effect of, in fact, |
1599 | 01:20:16,000 | 01:20:18,458 | driving people into the arms of extremists | driving people into the arms of extremists |
1600 | 01:20:18,458 | 01:20:20,375 | who otherwise wouldn't. | who otherwise wouldn't. |
1601 | 01:20:23,417 | 01:20:25,500 | Soufan: The narratives of these organizations, | Soufan: The narratives of these organizations, |
1602 | 01:20:25,500 | 01:20:27,083 | a lot of times, | a lot of times, |
1603 | 01:20:27,083 | 01:20:30,834 | it's based on our mistakes. | it's based on our mistakes. |
1604 | 01:20:30,834 | 01:20:34,250 | We invaded Iraq. That fed into the narrative. | We invaded Iraq. That fed into the narrative. |
1605 | 01:20:34,250 | 01:20:37,291 | The images of Abu Ghraib fed into the narrative. | The images of Abu Ghraib fed into the narrative. |
1606 | 01:20:37,291 | 01:20:39,583 | Guantanamo Bay fed into the narrative. | Guantanamo Bay fed into the narrative. |
1607 | 01:20:39,583 | 01:20:42,291 | [ Gunfire ] | [ Gunfire ] |
1608 | 01:20:42,291 | 01:20:44,708 | Killing innocent people with drone strikes | Killing innocent people with drone strikes |
1609 | 01:20:44,708 | 01:20:47,834 | fed into the narrative. | fed into the narrative. |
1610 | 01:20:47,834 | 01:20:50,917 | Banning Muslims fed into the narrative. | Banning Muslims fed into the narrative. |
1611 | 01:20:52,000 | 01:20:53,667 | That's why, on the eve of 9/11, | That's why, on the eve of 9/11, |
1612 | 01:20:53,667 | 01:20:56,041 | al-Qaeda had 400 members. | al-Qaeda had 400 members. |
1613 | 01:20:56,041 | 01:20:58,417 | Today they have thousands and thousands. | Today they have thousands and thousands. |
1614 | 01:20:58,417 | 01:21:00,000 | I believe this was part of bin Laden's vision. | I believe this was part of bin Laden's vision. |
1615 | 01:21:00,000 | 01:21:02,834 | Mr. bin Laden, you've issued a fatwa. | Mr. bin Laden, you've issued a fatwa. |
1616 | 01:21:02,834 | 01:21:07,000 | When I talked to him in 1998, in an interview, I asked, | When I talked to him in 1998, in an interview, I asked, |
1617 | 01:21:07,000 | 01:21:10,417 | "Are you worried about being captured or killed by America?" | "Are you worried about being captured or killed by America?" |
1618 | 01:21:10,417 | 01:21:14,875 | And he said, "Oh, it doesn't matter what America does. | And he said, "Oh, it doesn't matter what America does. |
1619 | 01:21:14,875 | 01:21:17,125 | Someday this will become a movement | Someday this will become a movement |
1620 | 01:21:17,125 | 01:21:19,583 | that's driven by the message." | that's driven by the message." |
1621 | 01:21:19,583 | 01:21:22,708 | A lot of what he predicted has come true. | A lot of what he predicted has come true. |
1622 | 01:21:22,708 | 01:21:24,125 | It went from being an organization | It went from being an organization |
1623 | 01:21:24,125 | 01:21:25,917 | to being a network of organizations | to being a network of organizations |
1624 | 01:21:25,917 | 01:21:29,125 | to being basically a movement driven | to being basically a movement driven |
1625 | 01:21:29,125 | 01:21:31,542 | by social media. | by social media. |
1626 | 01:21:31,542 | 01:21:33,291 | Hitchens: ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab -- | Hitchens: ISIS, al-Qaeda, al-Shabaab -- |
1627 | 01:21:33,291 | 01:21:35,208 | we have to realize that these are groups | we have to realize that these are groups |
1628 | 01:21:35,208 | 01:21:37,083 | that represent a wider movement. | that represent a wider movement. |
1629 | 01:21:37,083 | 01:21:39,542 | And it's the wider movement we need to be more worried about. | And it's the wider movement we need to be more worried about. |
1630 | 01:21:39,542 | 01:21:40,875 | As long as that movement exists, | As long as that movement exists, |
1631 | 01:21:40,875 | 01:21:41,959 | as long as it still attracts people, | as long as it still attracts people, |
1632 | 01:21:41,959 | 01:21:45,667 | it will continue to be a problem. | it will continue to be a problem. |
1633 | 01:21:45,667 | 01:21:47,750 | We had a lot of tactical successes | We had a lot of tactical successes |
1634 | 01:21:47,750 | 01:21:50,125 | in the war against al-Qaeda. | in the war against al-Qaeda. |
1635 | 01:21:50,125 | 01:21:53,583 | But all the tactical successes we had, | But all the tactical successes we had, |
1636 | 01:21:53,583 | 01:21:56,000 | in some weird way, | in some weird way, |
1637 | 01:21:56,000 | 01:21:59,708 | amounted to a strategic failure -- | amounted to a strategic failure -- |
1638 | 01:21:59,708 | 01:22:03,667 | a strategic failure that we are still dealing with today. | a strategic failure that we are still dealing with today. |
1639 | 01:22:09,583 | 01:22:13,417 | If you really think back to 15 years ago, it's like, | If you really think back to 15 years ago, it's like, |
1640 | 01:22:13,417 | 01:22:16,041 | "Is the problem better, or did we make it worse?" | "Is the problem better, or did we make it worse?" |
1641 | 01:22:21,542 | 01:22:23,333 | Shreiber: During the hearing of an operative | Shreiber: During the hearing of an operative |
1642 | 01:22:23,333 | 01:22:26,166 | arrested as a result of Jesse's testimony, | arrested as a result of Jesse's testimony, |
1643 | 01:22:26,166 | 01:22:28,333 | his undercover status was blown. | his undercover status was blown. |
1644 | 01:22:31,083 | 01:22:34,250 | Man: This is a message directed towards Jesse Curtis Morton, | Man: This is a message directed towards Jesse Curtis Morton, |
1645 | 01:22:34,250 | 01:22:37,875 | previously known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad. | previously known as Younus Abdullah Muhammad. |
1646 | 01:22:37,875 | 01:22:39,750 | Let's be honest, you lied to my face | Let's be honest, you lied to my face |
1647 | 01:22:39,750 | 01:22:42,834 | and took advantage of many brothers' sincerity. | and took advantage of many brothers' sincerity. |
1648 | 01:22:42,834 | 01:22:46,250 | I called you to inform you that a mutual friend of ours | I called you to inform you that a mutual friend of ours |
1649 | 01:22:46,250 | 01:22:48,125 | might be an informant | might be an informant |
1650 | 01:22:48,125 | 01:22:50,333 | that entrapped a Muslim recently. | that entrapped a Muslim recently. |
1651 | 01:22:50,333 | 01:22:54,834 | And now I just found out that you've been one all along. | And now I just found out that you've been one all along. |
1652 | 01:22:56,500 | 01:22:59,458 | Seriously, man, lost all respect for you. | Seriously, man, lost all respect for you. |
1653 | 01:22:59,458 | 01:23:00,291 | You know who this is. | You know who this is. |
1654 | 01:23:00,291 | 01:23:02,291 | Morton: That's an old friend -- | Morton: That's an old friend -- |
1655 | 01:23:02,291 | 01:23:04,708 | one of my better friends from the movement. | one of my better friends from the movement. |
1656 | 01:23:04,708 | 01:23:07,625 | But the reality is that they are not friends, | But the reality is that they are not friends, |
1657 | 01:23:07,625 | 01:23:08,959 | and they never were friends. | and they never were friends. |
1658 | 01:23:08,959 | 01:23:11,208 | In the beginning, he emphasizes, like, | In the beginning, he emphasizes, like, |
1659 | 01:23:11,208 | 01:23:14,333 | "Jesse Curtis Morton," the whole name. | "Jesse Curtis Morton," the whole name. |
1660 | 01:23:14,333 | 01:23:16,959 | Basically, you know, that's letting people know, | Basically, you know, that's letting people know, |
1661 | 01:23:16,959 | 01:23:17,792 | you know, "There's the middle name, | you know, "There's the middle name, |
1662 | 01:23:17,792 | 01:23:20,375 | so now you can find him." | so now you can find him." |
1663 | 01:23:20,375 | 01:23:23,208 | So, what do you do with that? | So, what do you do with that? |
1664 | 01:23:23,208 | 01:23:26,125 | You just realize how positive it is, | You just realize how positive it is, |
1665 | 01:23:26,125 | 01:23:28,500 | the change that you made in your life, | the change that you made in your life, |
1666 | 01:23:28,500 | 01:23:31,333 | and that you need to continue to do work to counter them. | and that you need to continue to do work to counter them. |
1667 | 01:23:31,333 | 01:23:36,458 | What would you do if I came to your house, blew it up? | What would you do if I came to your house, blew it up? |
1668 | 01:23:36,458 | 01:23:40,542 | I'm glad that I've been able to tap into my personal issues | I'm glad that I've been able to tap into my personal issues |
1669 | 01:23:40,542 | 01:23:42,500 | and see the world the way it really is, | and see the world the way it really is, |
1670 | 01:23:42,500 | 01:23:46,333 | rather than as an outlet for me to project my own animosities. | rather than as an outlet for me to project my own animosities. |
1671 | 01:23:50,834 | 01:23:53,500 | De-radicalization, it's a process, | De-radicalization, it's a process, |
1672 | 01:23:53,500 | 01:23:55,375 | it's not an event. | it's not an event. |
1673 | 01:23:55,375 | 01:23:57,667 | It's almost like drug addiction. | It's almost like drug addiction. |
1674 | 01:23:57,667 | 01:23:59,166 | You think that you're healed | You think that you're healed |
1675 | 01:23:59,166 | 01:24:01,333 | and that you're never going to relapse, | and that you're never going to relapse, |
1676 | 01:24:01,333 | 01:24:03,000 | that you're never going to return, | that you're never going to return, |
1677 | 01:24:03,000 | 01:24:04,834 | but then you realize, | but then you realize, |
1678 | 01:24:04,834 | 01:24:06,708 | "Oh, that still exists in me." | "Oh, that still exists in me." |
1679 | 01:24:06,708 | 01:24:09,083 | [ Siren wails ] | [ Siren wails ] |
1680 | 01:24:09,083 | 01:24:11,208 | Shreiber: In late December of 2016, | Shreiber: In late December of 2016, |
1681 | 01:24:11,208 | 01:24:13,959 | Jesse was arrested for possession of cocaine | Jesse was arrested for possession of cocaine |
1682 | 01:24:13,959 | 01:24:16,625 | and soliciting a prostitute. | and soliciting a prostitute. |
1683 | 01:24:19,333 | 01:24:21,166 | Khan: We have to think about the concept | Khan: We have to think about the concept |
1684 | 01:24:21,166 | 01:24:22,333 | of re-entry or rehabilitation. | of re-entry or rehabilitation. |
1685 | 01:24:25,667 | 01:24:28,625 | We have to de-radicalize them on the ideologies, | We have to de-radicalize them on the ideologies, |
1686 | 01:24:28,625 | 01:24:31,458 | but you also have to give them re-entry skills | but you also have to give them re-entry skills |
1687 | 01:24:31,458 | 01:24:34,083 | so they can become productive members of society. | so they can become productive members of society. |
1688 | 01:24:34,083 | 01:24:35,917 | It's not a new idea, but the fact | It's not a new idea, but the fact |
1689 | 01:24:35,917 | 01:24:38,875 | that we've only started talking about it | that we've only started talking about it |
1690 | 01:24:38,875 | 01:24:41,291 | from the government side now, it's, uh... | from the government side now, it's, uh... |
1691 | 01:24:41,291 | 01:24:43,166 | This is what makes you think, | This is what makes you think, |
1692 | 01:24:43,166 | 01:24:46,792 | "Okay, are we really serious about dealing with the issue?" | "Okay, are we really serious about dealing with the issue?" |
1693 | 01:24:50,542 | 01:24:52,875 | Hughes: Right now, if you're a family member | Hughes: Right now, if you're a family member |
1694 | 01:24:52,875 | 01:24:54,875 | worried about your kid, you got nothing. | worried about your kid, you got nothing. |
1695 | 01:24:54,875 | 01:24:56,542 | You do nothing, kind of hope it's a phase, | You do nothing, kind of hope it's a phase, |
1696 | 01:24:56,542 | 01:24:58,875 | you know, teenage angst, they grow out of it. | you know, teenage angst, they grow out of it. |
1697 | 01:24:58,875 | 01:25:00,834 | Or you call the FBI and, potentially, | Or you call the FBI and, potentially, |
1698 | 01:25:00,834 | 01:25:03,542 | talk to your loved one behind a prison bar for 20 years. | talk to your loved one behind a prison bar for 20 years. |
1699 | 01:25:04,875 | 01:25:08,083 | Hussen: What happened to my son... | Hussen: What happened to my son... |
1700 | 01:25:08,083 | 01:25:12,125 | I thought it's only Somali community. | I thought it's only Somali community. |
1701 | 01:25:12,125 | 01:25:14,291 | I never thought that it's Caucasian. | I never thought that it's Caucasian. |
1702 | 01:25:14,291 | 01:25:18,083 | I never thought that it's African-American. | I never thought that it's African-American. |
1703 | 01:25:18,083 | 01:25:21,750 | I find out this happen to everyone. | I find out this happen to everyone. |
1704 | 01:25:22,834 | 01:25:25,083 | Hughes: We're talking about small numbers of individuals | Hughes: We're talking about small numbers of individuals |
1705 | 01:25:25,083 | 01:25:26,959 | that are drawn to groups like ISIS -- | that are drawn to groups like ISIS -- |
1706 | 01:25:26,959 | 01:25:28,917 | 105 people in the last two years. | 105 people in the last two years. |
1707 | 01:25:28,917 | 01:25:30,291 | These are manageable numbers | These are manageable numbers |
1708 | 01:25:30,291 | 01:25:32,500 | in terms of one-on-one interventions. | in terms of one-on-one interventions. |
1709 | 01:25:32,500 | 01:25:35,125 | You can have a bench of religious leaders, | You can have a bench of religious leaders, |
1710 | 01:25:35,125 | 01:25:36,583 | properly vetted, | properly vetted, |
1711 | 01:25:36,583 | 01:25:37,625 | intervention specialists, social workers, | intervention specialists, social workers, |
1712 | 01:25:37,625 | 01:25:39,959 | mental-health professionals that you can say, | mental-health professionals that you can say, |
1713 | 01:25:39,959 | 01:25:41,708 | "I got a guy down the street. | "I got a guy down the street. |
1714 | 01:25:41,708 | 01:25:43,792 | I need your help on this. Can you help me out?" | I need your help on this. Can you help me out?" |
1715 | 01:25:43,792 | 01:25:45,917 | We haven't done that. | We haven't done that. |
1716 | 01:25:45,917 | 01:25:48,375 | Bledsoe: I'm an ordinary citizen, but I don't understand | Bledsoe: I'm an ordinary citizen, but I don't understand |
1717 | 01:25:48,375 | 01:25:49,959 | why we have so much fear of talking | why we have so much fear of talking |
1718 | 01:25:49,959 | 01:25:52,500 | about what is real. | about what is real. |
1719 | 01:25:52,500 | 01:25:55,083 | It is a real threat to America, | It is a real threat to America, |
1720 | 01:25:55,083 | 01:25:57,250 | as I said earlier today. | as I said earlier today. |
1721 | 01:25:57,250 | 01:25:59,542 | It came into my house, | It came into my house, |
1722 | 01:25:59,542 | 01:26:02,792 | but it's at your doorstep, and we need to talk about it. | but it's at your doorstep, and we need to talk about it. |
1723 | 01:26:02,792 | 01:26:04,041 | This shouldn't happen to anyone-- | This shouldn't happen to anyone-- |
1724 | 01:26:04,041 | 01:26:06,834 | any child, any American citizen, | any child, any American citizen, |
1725 | 01:26:06,834 | 01:26:09,667 | any parent -- no one. | any parent -- no one. |
1726 | 01:26:11,542 | 01:26:13,959 | Hughes: I used to travel to Minneapolis | Hughes: I used to travel to Minneapolis |
1727 | 01:26:13,959 | 01:26:16,000 | to meet with mothers of kids who had joined al-Shabaab. | to meet with mothers of kids who had joined al-Shabaab. |
1728 | 01:26:16,000 | 01:26:18,458 | And they're saying, you know, | And they're saying, you know, |
1729 | 01:26:18,458 | 01:26:20,333 | "Seamus, can you help me save my kids? | "Seamus, can you help me save my kids? |
1730 | 01:26:20,333 | 01:26:22,500 | They're been brainwashed, they've been kidnapped. | They're been brainwashed, they've been kidnapped. |
1731 | 01:26:22,500 | 01:26:24,333 | Help me save them." | Help me save them." |
1732 | 01:26:24,333 | 01:26:26,959 | That actually frames the way I look at this issue. | That actually frames the way I look at this issue. |
1733 | 01:26:26,959 | 01:26:30,083 | I never want to have to sit in an apartment-building basement | I never want to have to sit in an apartment-building basement |
1734 | 01:26:30,083 | 01:26:32,667 | talking to grieving mothers. | talking to grieving mothers. |
1735 | 01:26:32,667 | 01:26:33,834 | I don't want to do it. | I don't want to do it. |
1736 | 01:26:36,333 | 01:26:38,917 | I think there's a way to do this, | I think there's a way to do this, |
1737 | 01:26:38,917 | 01:26:40,583 | because at some point, | because at some point, |
1738 | 01:26:40,583 | 01:26:43,000 | you don't want to have those conversations anymore. | you don't want to have those conversations anymore. |
1739 | 01:26:44,834 | 01:26:48,166 | We got to figure this out. | We got to figure this out. |
1740 | 01:26:48,166 | 01:26:51,500 | Soufan: We need to develop a strategy where people -- | Soufan: We need to develop a strategy where people -- |
1741 | 01:26:51,500 | 01:26:54,250 | regular people in communities around the world -- | regular people in communities around the world -- |
1742 | 01:26:54,250 | 01:26:58,291 | feel part of this fight against radicalism, | feel part of this fight against radicalism, |
1743 | 01:26:58,291 | 01:27:02,291 | part of this fight against evil. | part of this fight against evil. |
1744 | 01:27:02,291 | 01:27:06,083 | That's the only way we can win this war. | That's the only way we can win this war. |