1 00:00:01,871 --> 00:00:02,761 Previously on "The Path"... 2 00:00:02,785 --> 00:00:05,851 - This is my resort property on Kuta Beach. 3 00:00:05,875 --> 00:00:07,113 I would like to convert it 4 00:00:07,137 --> 00:00:09,463 into the first Meyerist Center in Asia. 5 00:00:09,487 --> 00:00:11,857 To the Light in Bali. 6 00:00:11,881 --> 00:00:14,164 He wants me to take things over for a couple of days. 7 00:00:14,188 --> 00:00:16,427 - Okay, but you're still gonna make it to Washington, right? 8 00:00:16,451 --> 00:00:17,950 - No, actually no. No, I can't. 9 00:00:17,974 --> 00:00:19,473 What the fuck is wrong with you? 10 00:00:19,497 --> 00:00:21,171 A waitress from a women's rights dinner. 11 00:00:21,195 --> 00:00:22,694 - What are you doing here? - So nice to meet you. 12 00:00:22,718 --> 00:00:24,565 Thanks for supporting a woman's right to choose. 13 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:25,914 Let's get the vote out in November. 14 00:00:25,938 --> 00:00:27,612 - Something happened, Cal. 15 00:00:27,636 --> 00:00:29,527 - Happened? - To you. 16 00:00:29,551 --> 00:00:31,485 With Steve. 17 00:00:31,509 --> 00:00:34,010 - How did... - You don't have to tell me. 18 00:00:34,034 --> 00:00:36,229 - We are looking at the very first draft of Ladder, 19 00:00:36,253 --> 00:00:37,535 and I believe that 20 00:00:37,559 --> 00:00:39,189 there's a second author. - Lilith. 21 00:00:39,213 --> 00:00:40,973 - She believes that Eddie will die. 22 00:00:40,997 --> 00:00:42,888 - Why? - The Movement will crumble 23 00:00:42,912 --> 00:00:45,586 without Eddie, and the world will crumble 24 00:00:45,610 --> 00:00:47,327 without The Movement. - Where is she? 25 00:00:47,351 --> 00:00:49,329 I just knew you'd find me. 26 00:00:49,353 --> 00:00:51,766 - You never told me that Vera was your daughter. 27 00:00:51,790 --> 00:00:53,377 - Vera put me in here, 28 00:00:53,401 --> 00:00:55,466 and she's the only one who can get me out. 29 00:00:55,490 --> 00:00:57,294 - I think you're right where you need to be. 30 00:00:57,318 --> 00:00:58,773 - Sarah! 31 00:01:07,284 --> 00:01:14,384 ♪ 32 00:01:41,971 --> 00:01:43,688 - The Meyerist Movement, until recently, 33 00:01:43,712 --> 00:01:46,604 was a small fringe movement in upstate New York. 34 00:01:46,628 --> 00:01:48,910 In the past year, they've increased their membership 35 00:01:48,934 --> 00:01:51,087 70% and expanded to Europe. 36 00:01:51,111 --> 00:01:54,090 - You called it a "Second-generation phenomenon." 37 00:01:54,114 --> 00:01:56,962 - Uh, yeah, their... their founder, Dr. Steven Meyer, 38 00:01:56,986 --> 00:01:59,530 recently died. Now... 39 00:01:59,554 --> 00:02:00,966 It's very rare for a new religion 40 00:02:00,990 --> 00:02:02,663 not to die with its founder. 41 00:02:02,687 --> 00:02:05,101 In this case, their new leader, Eddie Lane, 42 00:02:05,125 --> 00:02:08,321 tripled the base. 43 00:02:08,345 --> 00:02:11,933 Now, he's a guy from a blue collar family in Brooklyn, 44 00:02:11,957 --> 00:02:14,806 with a history of mental illness and abuse. 45 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:20,116 He married a woman high up in the faith in 1999. 46 00:02:20,140 --> 00:02:24,424 Took over October of last year. 47 00:02:24,448 --> 00:02:27,993 And, uh, has a mystical experience 48 00:02:28,017 --> 00:02:31,039 in the first few weeks of his leadership. 49 00:02:31,063 --> 00:02:35,566 He walks a pregnant woman through fire 50 00:02:35,590 --> 00:02:38,395 a video which conveniently trends on YouTube. 51 00:02:38,419 --> 00:02:40,788 I've seen the video. Are you saying it was staged? 52 00:02:40,812 --> 00:02:42,399 I'm not saying anything 53 00:02:42,423 --> 00:02:44,140 I don't have the facts to back up. 54 00:02:45,817 --> 00:02:46,925 You called your article 55 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:49,580 "The Fastest Growing Faith." 56 00:02:49,604 --> 00:02:51,538 What do you think it is about Meyerism 57 00:02:51,562 --> 00:02:53,323 that appeals to this younger generation? 58 00:02:53,347 --> 00:02:55,890 - The future is more uncertain than ever. 59 00:02:55,914 --> 00:03:00,068 And young people are looking for something to believe in, 60 00:03:00,092 --> 00:03:02,245 and Lane has an "everyman" quality. 61 00:03:02,269 --> 00:03:03,985 He's a regular guy. 62 00:03:04,009 --> 00:03:06,031 That is until he asked you to sign your life away. 63 00:03:06,055 --> 00:03:08,773 He recently introduced a 25-page contract 64 00:03:08,797 --> 00:03:11,732 for all members for their "security," 65 00:03:11,756 --> 00:03:15,214 um, that essentially requires them 66 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:17,912 to waive basic human rights. 67 00:03:17,936 --> 00:03:19,914 - Have you ever seen this guy before? 68 00:03:19,938 --> 00:03:21,351 - No. 69 00:03:21,375 --> 00:03:24,180 - Somebody's talked to him, obviously. 70 00:03:24,204 --> 00:03:27,966 We'll check the log of Possibles and intake sessions. 71 00:03:27,990 --> 00:03:30,577 We can look at security footage outside the city center. 72 00:03:30,601 --> 00:03:32,275 I'm sure that's where he came in. 73 00:03:32,299 --> 00:03:35,234 - Yes, I was able to get my hands 74 00:03:35,258 --> 00:03:37,149 on early notebooks of Meyer's, 75 00:03:37,173 --> 00:03:39,369 notebooks that no one had seen before 76 00:03:39,393 --> 00:03:41,762 or rather they'd been hidden away. 77 00:03:41,786 --> 00:03:45,026 And these notebooks pointed to another writer. 78 00:03:45,050 --> 00:03:47,246 A darker voice. 79 00:03:47,270 --> 00:03:50,336 And my research showed her to have been a patient 80 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:51,816 of Steven Meyer's... - What notebook? 81 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:53,209 - When she was she was just 13. 82 00:03:53,233 --> 00:03:55,298 - Are they real? Is he making this up? 83 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:57,125 Meyerism is not a religion. 84 00:03:57,149 --> 00:03:59,127 It is not a "movement" as they like to call it. 85 00:03:59,151 --> 00:04:01,695 Lane is a dangerous man. 86 00:04:01,719 --> 00:04:03,219 And this is a cult. 87 00:04:03,243 --> 00:04:07,135 ♪ 88 00:04:12,643 --> 00:04:14,882 It's disgusting, and it's libel. 89 00:04:14,906 --> 00:04:17,798 It's a direct attack on Steve. - Yes, it is. 90 00:04:17,822 --> 00:04:19,322 - And what the hell was that bullshit 91 00:04:19,346 --> 00:04:21,280 about someone else writing The Ladder? 92 00:04:21,304 --> 00:04:23,239 - How did he even find out about the contract? 93 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,241 - We're looking into it. - What about the article? 94 00:04:25,265 --> 00:04:27,155 Can you get a retraction? 95 00:04:27,179 --> 00:04:30,724 - Um... No. 96 00:04:30,748 --> 00:04:34,119 No. But there is some good news. 97 00:04:34,143 --> 00:04:36,339 I've been in touch with Ruben's producers, 98 00:04:36,363 --> 00:04:38,993 and they got a great response to the segment 99 00:04:39,017 --> 00:04:40,299 and would like to bring Eddie 100 00:04:40,323 --> 00:04:42,083 on for a follow-up next Thursday. 101 00:04:42,107 --> 00:04:44,347 You'll be able to go head to head with Professor Neill. 102 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:48,089 - Eddie, we have plenty of time to prep, 103 00:04:48,113 --> 00:04:50,309 and they've promised us an unbiased forum 104 00:04:50,333 --> 00:04:53,399 for our response. - It will not be unbiased. 105 00:04:53,423 --> 00:04:55,271 Okay? He called us a cult. 106 00:04:55,295 --> 00:04:58,012 - Yeah, and you can explain why we're not. 107 00:04:58,036 --> 00:05:00,667 Eddie, it's a... it's a very good show. 108 00:05:00,691 --> 00:05:03,191 It's popular, and Ruben will moderate. 109 00:05:03,215 --> 00:05:07,283 I... I think it's a good move. 110 00:05:07,307 --> 00:05:10,177 - Eddie. You have to do this. 111 00:05:12,486 --> 00:05:14,176 - I agree. 112 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:17,771 You have to go on that show. 113 00:05:17,795 --> 00:05:20,034 Defend us. 114 00:05:20,058 --> 00:05:21,408 And Steve. 115 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:29,870 - I can't do this. 116 00:05:29,894 --> 00:05:31,481 Cal. 117 00:05:31,505 --> 00:05:33,787 I mean, I... 118 00:05:33,811 --> 00:05:37,031 Can go on and defend myself, but how can I defend him? 119 00:05:39,077 --> 00:05:41,077 - Um... 120 00:05:43,734 --> 00:05:46,409 I'll do it. 121 00:05:46,433 --> 00:05:48,106 He's taken enough from me. 122 00:05:48,130 --> 00:05:50,740 It's time. 123 00:05:52,917 --> 00:05:54,347 - Are you sure? 124 00:05:58,270 --> 00:06:00,360 - I'd really like to do this. 125 00:06:13,329 --> 00:06:15,769 - Mary? Buck needs to see you. 126 00:06:18,116 --> 00:06:19,442 I didn't read that article, 127 00:06:19,466 --> 00:06:21,879 the exposé in "The New Yorker." 128 00:06:21,903 --> 00:06:24,360 I mean, you spend your time reading magazines, 129 00:06:24,384 --> 00:06:26,057 you don't get shit else done in your day. 130 00:06:26,081 --> 00:06:27,537 But one of my interns, they have Google alerts 131 00:06:27,561 --> 00:06:29,800 for everything. - It's not true. 132 00:06:29,824 --> 00:06:31,105 - I did skim it. 133 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:32,846 Some other woman involved? 134 00:06:32,870 --> 00:06:34,960 Always a woman behind the man, huh? 135 00:06:36,961 --> 00:06:39,141 - So, that's it? 136 00:06:44,055 --> 00:06:46,251 - I called your husband because I have a problem. 137 00:06:46,275 --> 00:06:48,645 An impulse that I can't control. 138 00:06:48,669 --> 00:06:52,388 An impulse that I know could destroy me. 139 00:06:52,412 --> 00:06:55,434 And you are actually helping me. 140 00:06:55,458 --> 00:06:58,350 - Meyerism is effective. 141 00:06:58,374 --> 00:07:00,265 - You're effective. 142 00:07:00,289 --> 00:07:02,729 You're a force, you know that? 143 00:07:05,250 --> 00:07:09,274 What if you came to work for me? 144 00:07:09,298 --> 00:07:12,016 Be on my staff. 145 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:13,626 - As what? - Executive Assistant 146 00:07:13,650 --> 00:07:15,541 but you'd function as an advisor. 147 00:07:15,565 --> 00:07:17,238 I want you on the team when I run for governor. 148 00:07:17,262 --> 00:07:20,546 You'd get hands-on campaign experience, and... 149 00:07:20,570 --> 00:07:23,375 Then when we move to Albany, you can transition to be 150 00:07:23,399 --> 00:07:25,638 in my office there, if you wanted. 151 00:07:25,662 --> 00:07:28,192 - I'll admit it's enticing. 152 00:07:29,710 --> 00:07:31,427 - Health insurance for you and your family, 153 00:07:31,451 --> 00:07:34,212 travel stipend, full-time salary. 154 00:07:34,236 --> 00:07:35,648 I mean... 155 00:07:35,672 --> 00:07:38,346 It's government so you're not gonna be rich, 156 00:07:38,370 --> 00:07:42,030 but it'd be something like... 157 00:07:44,202 --> 00:07:46,529 - What about Cal? - What about him? 158 00:07:46,553 --> 00:07:50,707 - He's the... the one with the insight. 159 00:07:50,731 --> 00:07:53,144 - I don't know. 160 00:07:53,168 --> 00:07:54,537 He didn't charm the pants off 161 00:07:54,561 --> 00:07:55,755 the ladies for reproductive rights, 162 00:07:55,779 --> 00:07:57,670 and he didn't keep me 163 00:07:57,694 --> 00:07:59,324 from getting a hollow blow job 164 00:07:59,348 --> 00:08:01,500 from that waitress afterward. 165 00:08:01,524 --> 00:08:03,371 You did. 166 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:05,286 - And the fact that I'm a Meyerist? 167 00:08:05,310 --> 00:08:06,592 - Oh. 168 00:08:06,616 --> 00:08:07,767 I believe in the separation 169 00:08:07,791 --> 00:08:09,813 of Church and State. 170 00:08:09,837 --> 00:08:12,642 Of course, if it came out on the campaign trail, 171 00:08:12,666 --> 00:08:14,774 that would be annoying, but 172 00:08:14,798 --> 00:08:16,758 personally it doesn't bother me. 173 00:08:20,674 --> 00:08:22,504 - What the fuck, Sarah? 174 00:08:24,155 --> 00:08:26,699 - I know. I'm furious. 175 00:08:26,723 --> 00:08:29,441 - How could you trust someone like that? 176 00:08:29,465 --> 00:08:31,182 - I met him at a vulnerable time. 177 00:08:31,206 --> 00:08:32,705 I'm going to talk to him. 178 00:08:32,729 --> 00:08:34,446 - You're done with him, okay? 179 00:08:34,470 --> 00:08:36,579 I need you now. 180 00:08:36,603 --> 00:08:39,625 Everything that he knows I need to know and more. 181 00:08:39,649 --> 00:08:41,714 Okay? 182 00:08:41,738 --> 00:08:43,518 Let's go. 183 00:09:00,278 --> 00:09:02,605 So you were one of Steve's patients. 184 00:09:02,629 --> 00:09:04,824 Yes. 185 00:09:04,848 --> 00:09:08,132 - And The Ladder. You saw in your dreams? 186 00:09:08,156 --> 00:09:09,829 - Visions, yes. 187 00:09:09,853 --> 00:09:12,266 - So what happened on Huayna Picchu? 188 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:15,139 - I don't know. I wasn't there. 189 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:18,882 But Steve had a wonderful imagination. 190 00:09:18,906 --> 00:09:20,579 - All right, so what's the difference 191 00:09:20,603 --> 00:09:24,452 between Steve's imagination and your dreams? 192 00:09:24,476 --> 00:09:26,542 - My dreams come true. 193 00:09:26,566 --> 00:09:29,762 So Eddie has to die for your apocalypse to happen? 194 00:09:29,786 --> 00:09:32,460 Eddie doesn't have to die. 195 00:09:32,484 --> 00:09:34,506 Eddie gets to die. 196 00:09:34,530 --> 00:09:37,422 What if you're just a mentally ill person. 197 00:09:37,446 --> 00:09:39,576 I'm not. 198 00:09:43,321 --> 00:09:45,778 Why not ask the professor about all of this? 199 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:47,301 He seems to know more than anyone. 200 00:09:47,325 --> 00:09:48,781 - How do you know about that? 201 00:09:48,805 --> 00:09:49,782 - We get "The New Yorker" in the loony bin, dear. 202 00:09:49,806 --> 00:09:52,742 We're not savages. 203 00:09:52,766 --> 00:09:55,286 It was you, wasn't it, Sarah? 204 00:09:56,639 --> 00:09:58,399 I thought so. 205 00:09:58,423 --> 00:10:00,750 All that information about me had to come from you. 206 00:10:00,774 --> 00:10:05,798 Well... I wish I could change the future. 207 00:10:05,822 --> 00:10:08,975 But I can't. None of us can. 208 00:10:08,999 --> 00:10:12,089 You understand, Eddie. You've had visions too. 209 00:10:22,099 --> 00:10:25,629 All right, well, thank you, Lilith. 210 00:10:27,278 --> 00:10:31,824 Vera, I want you to get her out of here. 211 00:10:31,848 --> 00:10:33,957 - That's... that's not a good idea. 212 00:10:33,981 --> 00:10:36,263 - I don't care. 213 00:10:36,287 --> 00:10:38,004 - No, she's right. 214 00:10:38,028 --> 00:10:40,877 Lilith has manipulated and lied. 215 00:10:40,901 --> 00:10:44,576 - Eddie. You don't know her. 216 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:46,186 If she's out in the world, she'll make sure 217 00:10:46,210 --> 00:10:47,840 that prophecy comes true. 218 00:10:47,864 --> 00:10:50,713 - Well, I don't want to lock up someone for 219 00:10:50,737 --> 00:10:52,802 her ideas. 220 00:10:52,826 --> 00:10:55,587 That's exactly what Steve did to her. 221 00:10:58,092 --> 00:11:00,244 Get her out. 222 00:11:00,268 --> 00:11:07,058 ♪ 223 00:11:24,335 --> 00:11:26,375 - I had to do it. 224 00:11:33,083 --> 00:11:39,022 - I think maybe my father wasn't my father. 225 00:11:39,046 --> 00:11:41,415 - What are you talking about? 226 00:11:41,439 --> 00:11:44,157 - There was this man named Rajeev. 227 00:11:44,181 --> 00:11:45,985 He went to college with my parents. 228 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:48,945 He was my dad's best friend. 229 00:11:48,969 --> 00:11:52,209 When I was a child, he would, you know, visit in the summers, 230 00:11:52,233 --> 00:11:55,299 holidays, that kind of thing. Always brought me something. 231 00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:59,259 One night I woke up to get some water. 232 00:11:59,283 --> 00:12:02,654 My mother and Rajeev were arguing in the kitchen, 233 00:12:02,678 --> 00:12:07,746 and I walked in, I saw tears 234 00:12:07,770 --> 00:12:11,663 in my mother's eyes, and I just knew... 235 00:12:11,687 --> 00:12:13,796 They must have been lovers. 236 00:12:13,820 --> 00:12:16,146 It made sense to me. 237 00:12:16,170 --> 00:12:20,106 My whole childhood I never felt like my parents. 238 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:23,762 They were scientists. I liked stories. 239 00:12:23,786 --> 00:12:27,356 I always felt like I had been born into the wrong family. 240 00:12:30,184 --> 00:12:32,640 - What happened to him? 241 00:12:32,664 --> 00:12:36,104 - He died of a brain tumor before he was 30. 242 00:12:39,541 --> 00:12:41,780 - Why are you telling me all of this now? 243 00:12:41,804 --> 00:12:45,175 - There are things I haven't told you. 244 00:12:45,199 --> 00:12:48,439 Things I need you to know. 245 00:12:48,463 --> 00:12:50,513 About me. 246 00:12:52,815 --> 00:12:54,375 - Why? 247 00:12:57,428 --> 00:12:59,232 Why now? 248 00:12:59,256 --> 00:13:02,366 - Because I saw it. The end. 249 00:13:02,390 --> 00:13:06,457 It's gonna be in Bali. 250 00:13:06,481 --> 00:13:10,374 - Wait. Who... who told you about Bali? 251 00:13:10,398 --> 00:13:13,681 - Who told me what about Bali? 252 00:13:13,705 --> 00:13:16,859 - That we're going there to set up a new site. 253 00:13:16,883 --> 00:13:19,644 - When? 254 00:13:19,668 --> 00:13:24,127 - Wait, wait. You're telling me no one told you about Bali, 255 00:13:24,151 --> 00:13:26,216 but somehow you just... you just know? 256 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:28,392 - I saw it. 257 00:13:28,416 --> 00:13:30,307 - You set this up. 258 00:13:30,331 --> 00:13:32,439 You set this whole thing up. 259 00:13:32,463 --> 00:13:35,399 - No, I didn't, and that is how I know it's real. 260 00:13:38,426 --> 00:13:41,144 - Okay. What did you see? 261 00:13:41,168 --> 00:13:43,059 - A palace. 262 00:13:43,083 --> 00:13:45,365 A pond. 263 00:13:45,389 --> 00:13:48,412 Surrounded by lotus flowers. 264 00:13:48,436 --> 00:13:50,893 Lit by the hunter's moon. 265 00:13:50,917 --> 00:13:57,638 ♪ 266 00:13:57,662 --> 00:14:00,250 - I... I need to unburden. 267 00:14:00,274 --> 00:14:02,426 I read some of Professor Neill's article. 268 00:14:02,450 --> 00:14:04,384 I did too. 269 00:14:04,408 --> 00:14:07,257 - Is it true? - Come on, guys. 270 00:14:07,281 --> 00:14:08,911 All that, you know it's bullshit. 271 00:14:08,935 --> 00:14:10,521 - But he says he was given access 272 00:14:10,545 --> 00:14:12,175 to Steve's early journals. 273 00:14:12,199 --> 00:14:14,568 - This guy is trying to sell a book 274 00:14:14,592 --> 00:14:16,832 by making up a bunch of stuff about us. 275 00:14:16,856 --> 00:14:18,572 - But who talked to him? 276 00:14:18,596 --> 00:14:20,357 I mean, we're supposed to be transparent, 277 00:14:20,381 --> 00:14:21,837 but nobody's come forward. 278 00:14:21,861 --> 00:14:23,316 - We are looking into it. 279 00:14:23,340 --> 00:14:24,840 It's most likely someone who left. 280 00:14:24,864 --> 00:14:26,624 - Yeah, but why would someone want to do that? 281 00:14:26,648 --> 00:14:28,626 - Yeah, seriously, what do they have against us? 282 00:14:28,650 --> 00:14:32,456 - Our mom asked if we were in a cult and I said I don't know. 283 00:14:32,480 --> 00:14:33,849 - Okay. 284 00:14:33,873 --> 00:14:36,403 Look, this is exactly what he wants. 285 00:14:39,226 --> 00:14:42,640 I need everyone to look at me. 286 00:14:42,664 --> 00:14:46,122 We're not a cult. 287 00:14:46,146 --> 00:14:51,301 We are not... A cult. 288 00:14:51,325 --> 00:14:53,405 Okay? 289 00:14:56,983 --> 00:14:59,483 Mr. Roberts, tell us a little bit 290 00:14:59,507 --> 00:15:03,487 about your history with The Movement. 291 00:15:03,511 --> 00:15:05,706 - Well, Mr. Wise, I came to Meyerism 292 00:15:05,730 --> 00:15:07,317 when I was a young child. 293 00:15:07,341 --> 00:15:09,493 My parents were, ah, 294 00:15:09,517 --> 00:15:11,930 unfit to care for me. - You said "ah." 295 00:15:11,954 --> 00:15:13,714 And you should call him Ruben. 296 00:15:13,738 --> 00:15:16,518 All the other guests do, I checked. 297 00:15:18,482 --> 00:15:20,721 - All right. Well, Ruben, 298 00:15:20,745 --> 00:15:22,854 I came to Meyerism when I was a young child. 299 00:15:22,878 --> 00:15:24,682 My parents were unfit to care for me, 300 00:15:24,706 --> 00:15:27,859 and the community embraced me in their absence. 301 00:15:27,883 --> 00:15:33,256 The compound became my home and still is to this day. 302 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:35,693 - Professor Neill describes Dr. Steven Meyer as 303 00:15:35,717 --> 00:15:38,826 "a master manipulator, who stole the tenet of the religion 304 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:42,918 from a very ill, young female patient." 305 00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:45,007 - Dr. Meyer did no such thing. 306 00:15:45,031 --> 00:15:47,705 His aim was to help people 307 00:15:47,729 --> 00:15:48,967 and, uh, - Sorry, I... 308 00:15:48,991 --> 00:15:50,664 I can't let you do this. - Hang on. 309 00:15:50,688 --> 00:15:53,624 Hang... let me figure out the right way to say it. 310 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,326 Hm. 311 00:16:00,350 --> 00:16:02,807 - You're defending him. 312 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:04,678 - Hmm? 313 00:16:04,702 --> 00:16:07,638 - I don't know the details. 314 00:16:07,662 --> 00:16:09,553 But I know. 315 00:16:09,577 --> 00:16:11,927 I know Steve abused you. 316 00:16:21,763 --> 00:16:23,306 - Yeah. 317 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:26,570 - Then why... how can you do this? 318 00:16:26,594 --> 00:16:28,398 - Because I want to own the narrative. 319 00:16:28,422 --> 00:16:29,660 - Going on a TV show and saying 320 00:16:29,684 --> 00:16:31,270 that Steve was a brilliant man 321 00:16:31,294 --> 00:16:32,968 isn't owning anything. - No, you're wrong. 322 00:16:32,992 --> 00:16:35,579 Because he's dead and now I get to speak for his Movement 323 00:16:35,603 --> 00:16:36,580 and have his followers. 324 00:16:36,604 --> 00:16:37,929 He couldn't destroy me, 325 00:16:37,953 --> 00:16:39,365 and now I'm the one with the power. 326 00:16:39,389 --> 00:16:40,453 - Are you listening to yourself? 327 00:16:40,477 --> 00:16:41,802 - What would you rather me do? 328 00:16:41,826 --> 00:16:43,674 Crawl into a hole and give it all away, 329 00:16:43,698 --> 00:16:45,868 everything I've earned? 330 00:16:48,572 --> 00:16:51,290 - Harbaugh offered me a full-time job. 331 00:16:51,314 --> 00:16:53,423 - Well, we... we can't do that. 332 00:16:53,447 --> 00:16:54,859 We have responsibilities to Meyerism. 333 00:16:54,883 --> 00:16:57,775 - Not... us. 334 00:16:57,799 --> 00:16:58,969 Me. 335 00:17:03,109 --> 00:17:04,695 - What did you tell him? 336 00:17:04,719 --> 00:17:08,525 - That I needed to think about it. 337 00:17:08,549 --> 00:17:10,614 This is what we want, right? 338 00:17:10,638 --> 00:17:13,399 - Selling your soul to protect a pervert's reputation? 339 00:17:13,423 --> 00:17:14,748 Not really. - Isn't that what you're doing? 340 00:17:14,772 --> 00:17:18,448 Going on that TV show? 341 00:17:18,472 --> 00:17:20,450 - Mary, I'm your husband. - You're not my husband. 342 00:17:20,474 --> 00:17:23,670 - I'm your partner. 343 00:17:23,694 --> 00:17:25,890 - And Harbaugh's not a pervert. 344 00:17:25,914 --> 00:17:28,284 He's a messed up person just like the rest of us 345 00:17:28,308 --> 00:17:31,852 except that he is really trying to do something about it. 346 00:17:31,876 --> 00:17:34,029 He wants to change. 347 00:17:36,098 --> 00:17:38,816 ♪ 348 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,500 - Please don't take that job. 349 00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,503 - Please don't go on that show. 350 00:17:48,110 --> 00:17:52,395 Okay, so Vera was born in 1981. 351 00:17:52,419 --> 00:17:55,702 So that puts Lilith on the compound 352 00:17:55,726 --> 00:17:58,488 the summer of 1980. 353 00:17:58,512 --> 00:18:00,838 Same year that Steve transcribed 354 00:18:00,862 --> 00:18:02,883 the ninth and tenth rungs. 355 00:18:02,907 --> 00:18:05,016 Actually, will you grab the ninth rung 356 00:18:05,040 --> 00:18:08,019 so we can see what the language looks like? 357 00:18:08,043 --> 00:18:10,804 Wow. 358 00:18:16,791 --> 00:18:18,899 I'm, um... I'm gonna take this really quick. 359 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:21,859 - Fine, I'll... I'll step out. You stay. 360 00:18:21,883 --> 00:18:24,063 - Oh. Thanks. 361 00:18:26,192 --> 00:18:27,995 Hey. - Are you in your office? 362 00:18:28,019 --> 00:18:30,520 - Uh. No. - I, uh... 363 00:18:30,544 --> 00:18:32,522 Okay, we need to... we need to meet up. 364 00:18:32,546 --> 00:18:34,785 I have something to tell you. 365 00:18:34,809 --> 00:18:37,527 - Look, I'm just kind of tied up at the moment, working. 366 00:18:37,551 --> 00:18:40,791 - Eddie, we have to cancel the trip to Bali. 367 00:18:40,815 --> 00:18:42,793 - Why? - My mom just had a vision, 368 00:18:42,817 --> 00:18:44,534 and she said that's where's it's all going to happen. 369 00:18:44,558 --> 00:18:48,364 - No. No, I am not living in fear of your mother. 370 00:18:48,388 --> 00:18:50,714 And neither should you. - No, I... Eddie. 371 00:18:50,738 --> 00:18:52,759 - Look, I have to go. - Eddie, please. 372 00:18:52,783 --> 00:18:55,066 - I'm just... I'm in the middle of something, okay? 373 00:18:55,090 --> 00:18:57,140 I will call you later. 374 00:19:08,756 --> 00:19:15,806 ♪ 375 00:19:36,479 --> 00:19:37,587 Hey. 376 00:19:43,007 --> 00:19:44,787 Vera? 377 00:19:46,924 --> 00:19:49,686 Did you tell her you were here? 378 00:19:49,710 --> 00:19:50,991 - No. 379 00:19:51,015 --> 00:19:52,993 - I don't want to be in the middle 380 00:19:53,017 --> 00:19:54,995 of your relationship. 381 00:19:55,019 --> 00:19:58,499 - You kind of are in the middle, Sarah. 382 00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:03,613 You done working for the night? 383 00:20:03,637 --> 00:20:06,727 - Does anyone know about me? About Jackson? 384 00:20:08,946 --> 00:20:11,011 - No. 385 00:20:11,035 --> 00:20:15,494 Cal is going head to head with him on Ruben Wise. 386 00:20:15,518 --> 00:20:18,802 - To defend Steve? 387 00:20:18,826 --> 00:20:20,630 He... 388 00:20:20,654 --> 00:20:23,981 He shouldn't do that. That is not a fair fight. 389 00:20:24,005 --> 00:20:26,636 - Yeah, well, he wants to. - Why? 390 00:20:26,660 --> 00:20:29,160 It's not like his book is going to destroy The Movement. 391 00:20:29,184 --> 00:20:32,816 You're opening up a center in Bali. 392 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:37,168 - Only Vera wants me to cancel. 393 00:20:37,192 --> 00:20:40,040 - Why? 394 00:20:40,064 --> 00:20:41,781 - Her mom thinks that's where 395 00:20:41,805 --> 00:20:45,176 the fucking prophecy's gonna happen. 396 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,135 - And, um... 397 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:50,529 What do you think about her prophecy? 398 00:20:50,553 --> 00:20:52,227 You both have visions, she said it. 399 00:20:52,251 --> 00:20:54,838 - I'll know when this is all over. 400 00:20:54,862 --> 00:20:58,233 - Maybe you shouldn't go. 401 00:20:58,257 --> 00:21:01,671 - You believe Lilith? - I don't. 402 00:21:01,695 --> 00:21:03,890 But maybe after you're done doing all this work, 403 00:21:03,914 --> 00:21:07,503 we're done doing this work, maybe... 404 00:21:07,527 --> 00:21:10,114 You'll feel like none of it's real. 405 00:21:10,138 --> 00:21:12,508 - That's not going to happen. 406 00:21:12,532 --> 00:21:13,987 - It happened to me. 407 00:21:14,011 --> 00:21:16,860 - No, what happened to you, Sarah, 408 00:21:16,884 --> 00:21:20,080 is that you started digging up the truth. 409 00:21:20,104 --> 00:21:25,695 And all of the contradictions made you lose your way. 410 00:21:25,719 --> 00:21:29,699 But we are going to finish this, and when we do, 411 00:21:29,723 --> 00:21:33,268 we will understand what we need to do. 412 00:21:33,292 --> 00:21:36,619 And then it will all be real again. 413 00:21:36,643 --> 00:21:38,953 I promise. 414 00:21:49,743 --> 00:21:56,323 ♪ 415 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,906 - Excuse me. 416 00:22:02,930 --> 00:22:05,256 Could I have a whiskey? 417 00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,630 - You 21? - I forgot my I.D. 418 00:22:10,677 --> 00:22:13,897 - What kind? - Anything. 419 00:22:25,561 --> 00:22:28,453 - Are you in my history of photo class? 420 00:22:28,477 --> 00:22:31,500 - Um, no... I don't... I don't think so. 421 00:22:31,524 --> 00:22:33,980 - I just said that so I could talk to you. 422 00:22:34,004 --> 00:22:35,895 - Oh. 423 00:22:35,919 --> 00:22:39,377 - So are you at Tisch? 424 00:22:39,401 --> 00:22:43,512 - No, actually, I don't go to school. 425 00:22:43,536 --> 00:22:45,406 - What do you do? 426 00:22:47,844 --> 00:22:54,436 I... I am on the... leadership team 427 00:22:54,460 --> 00:22:56,829 of a spiritual movement. 428 00:22:56,853 --> 00:22:58,918 - What do you mean? Like a start-up? 429 00:22:58,942 --> 00:23:01,660 - No, like a cult. 430 00:23:01,684 --> 00:23:04,228 - You're in a cult? - Some... 431 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:06,839 Some people like to think so, yeah. 432 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:10,582 That's awesome. 433 00:23:10,606 --> 00:23:13,977 I always wanted to meet somebody in a cult. 434 00:23:14,001 --> 00:23:19,417 Uh, so like... What do they make you do? 435 00:23:19,441 --> 00:23:23,290 - Nothing, really. My dad's in charge, so... 436 00:23:23,314 --> 00:23:26,032 - Your dad is the cult leader? 437 00:23:26,056 --> 00:23:29,906 That's amazing. I'm buying you a drink. 438 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:31,821 - Excuse me. 439 00:23:31,845 --> 00:23:36,826 Can we get two shots of tequila, please? 440 00:23:36,850 --> 00:23:39,263 Thanks. 441 00:23:39,287 --> 00:23:43,417 - So, what kind of cult is it? 442 00:23:45,467 --> 00:23:49,447 A nice cult? - Yeah. 443 00:23:49,471 --> 00:23:52,450 - Is that possible? - I think so. 444 00:23:52,474 --> 00:23:54,354 - Okay. 445 00:23:57,044 --> 00:23:59,394 - To nice cults. - Mm. 446 00:24:07,794 --> 00:24:09,641 I think that deserves another round. 447 00:24:09,665 --> 00:24:11,774 - Yes, please. 448 00:24:14,801 --> 00:24:21,901 ♪ 449 00:24:26,508 --> 00:24:29,487 So, you'll understand if we have to cut off ties 450 00:24:29,511 --> 00:24:31,750 and the trip to Bali. 451 00:24:33,341 --> 00:24:34,971 - We all make bad decisions. 452 00:24:34,995 --> 00:24:37,843 You're not a bad person. I know that. 453 00:24:37,867 --> 00:24:39,976 You have the resources to handle this. 454 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,934 - I don't know what you're talking about. 455 00:24:41,958 --> 00:24:44,981 - I'm gonna have to ask you to please not contact us again. 456 00:24:45,005 --> 00:24:47,070 - Please, help me. 457 00:24:47,094 --> 00:24:48,767 I'm extremely confused. 458 00:24:50,706 --> 00:24:52,771 - I'm guessing that's your lawyer. 459 00:24:52,795 --> 00:24:55,535 You're gonna want to take that. 460 00:24:57,452 --> 00:24:59,474 - How did you know? 461 00:24:59,498 --> 00:25:02,999 - I heard they found some nasty stuff in your hotels. 462 00:25:06,766 --> 00:25:09,396 You should try and be a little more discreet next time. 463 00:25:09,420 --> 00:25:14,793 ♪ 464 00:25:14,817 --> 00:25:16,517 - Hello? 465 00:25:20,693 --> 00:25:23,672 ♪ 466 00:25:23,696 --> 00:25:26,526 I don't know anything about that. 467 00:25:32,487 --> 00:25:34,465 - He was so thorough. 468 00:25:34,489 --> 00:25:36,598 - Mm. 469 00:25:36,622 --> 00:25:38,730 That's what happens when you consider yourself a god. 470 00:25:38,754 --> 00:25:43,082 You assume that you're leaving behind a legacy. 471 00:25:43,106 --> 00:25:47,016 Man, who knows what's from The Light and what's fiction. 472 00:25:49,025 --> 00:25:50,612 - Do you want to get something to eat? 473 00:25:50,636 --> 00:25:52,048 - No, I'm all right. 474 00:25:52,072 --> 00:25:53,602 - When was the last time you ate? 475 00:25:55,292 --> 00:25:57,432 What day is it? 476 00:25:59,296 --> 00:26:00,970 Here. 477 00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:02,654 - Thanks. 478 00:26:17,576 --> 00:26:20,056 - This has our wedding in it. 479 00:26:21,623 --> 00:26:23,645 - No, I don't want to hear what he has to say about us. 480 00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:26,996 - It's not what he said. It's what you said. 481 00:26:27,020 --> 00:26:29,110 - Mm. 482 00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,310 "Every moment of my life, my childhood, 483 00:26:37,334 --> 00:26:40,270 the pain has all been worth it." 484 00:26:40,294 --> 00:26:42,141 God, I was corny. 485 00:26:42,165 --> 00:26:43,752 - No. 486 00:26:43,776 --> 00:26:45,776 I love it. 487 00:26:48,215 --> 00:26:50,215 "Because it led me to you." 488 00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:54,589 - You are kind. 489 00:26:54,613 --> 00:26:57,200 You are beautiful. 490 00:26:57,224 --> 00:26:59,376 You are Light. 491 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:02,450 - You have shown me what love is. 492 00:27:05,536 --> 00:27:08,820 I wish I was still that person for you. 493 00:27:08,844 --> 00:27:11,064 - Hey. 494 00:27:13,283 --> 00:27:16,219 You still are. - No. 495 00:27:16,243 --> 00:27:18,700 - Yes. - I'm not. 496 00:27:18,724 --> 00:27:21,164 - Just in a different way. 497 00:27:27,602 --> 00:27:29,172 Hey, Vera. 498 00:27:30,344 --> 00:27:34,150 - Oh, so, this is what you're caught up with? 499 00:27:34,174 --> 00:27:37,094 - Vera. - I have nothing to say to you. 500 00:27:39,570 --> 00:27:42,419 There's an entire Movement out there depending on you. 501 00:27:42,443 --> 00:27:44,726 People who believe in you. 502 00:27:44,750 --> 00:27:48,077 Counting on you, and you're in here... 503 00:27:48,101 --> 00:27:51,341 Reading a bunch of Steve's shit! 504 00:27:51,365 --> 00:27:52,734 With a woman who sold you out 505 00:27:52,758 --> 00:27:54,387 to a safety school college professor. 506 00:27:54,411 --> 00:27:57,477 - That's enough. - No, it isn't. 507 00:27:57,501 --> 00:27:59,654 Eddie, I believe in you. 508 00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:01,394 I believe in this Movement. 509 00:28:01,418 --> 00:28:03,832 I would destroy my life for it. 510 00:28:03,856 --> 00:28:05,572 I would destroy everything I've worked 511 00:28:05,596 --> 00:28:06,748 so fucking hard to put behind me. 512 00:28:06,772 --> 00:28:08,271 - What are you talking about? 513 00:28:08,295 --> 00:28:10,186 - You should be out there fighting for us 514 00:28:10,210 --> 00:28:12,449 instead of hiding in here with... 515 00:28:12,473 --> 00:28:14,756 someone who doesn't believe in it, or you. 516 00:28:14,780 --> 00:28:17,106 - Hey. 517 00:28:20,133 --> 00:28:23,112 ♪ 518 00:28:26,139 --> 00:28:28,465 ♪ 519 00:28:28,489 --> 00:28:29,771 Should we head back to Forest? 520 00:28:29,795 --> 00:28:31,816 Yeah, in a minute. 521 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:36,190 It's so beautiful. - Yeah, it is. 522 00:28:46,159 --> 00:28:48,267 - I need to tell you something. 523 00:28:49,858 --> 00:28:52,707 It's just like I stole their music. 524 00:28:52,731 --> 00:28:54,731 - What do you need to tell me? - Uh... 525 00:28:57,213 --> 00:28:59,322 Ah, I, um... 526 00:28:59,346 --> 00:29:02,629 Maybe I'm not clear enough, um... 527 00:29:02,653 --> 00:29:04,327 I love you. - I know. 528 00:29:04,351 --> 00:29:07,460 - No, no, no. No. No, okay, Mary... 529 00:29:07,484 --> 00:29:10,812 I love you. 530 00:29:10,836 --> 00:29:13,510 And, um... 531 00:29:13,534 --> 00:29:18,471 I wanted to come out here today to the city because, uh... 532 00:29:18,495 --> 00:29:24,260 My parents and the compound and all the Steve stuff... 533 00:29:24,284 --> 00:29:27,176 It's the past. 534 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,395 You are my future. 535 00:29:29,419 --> 00:29:32,224 You and Forest. 536 00:29:36,252 --> 00:29:40,972 I... I thought of us as married for a long time, but... 537 00:29:40,996 --> 00:29:44,426 you deserve to have a ring on your finger. 538 00:29:45,827 --> 00:29:48,937 I mean, you deserve everything. 539 00:29:48,961 --> 00:29:52,723 I want to give it to you. 540 00:29:52,747 --> 00:29:56,553 I will try to give it to you. 541 00:29:56,577 --> 00:29:59,469 So, uh... 542 00:30:01,321 --> 00:30:05,736 Mary Cox, will you marry me? 543 00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,738 - Really? - Yeah. 544 00:30:07,762 --> 00:30:10,393 Well, um. 545 00:30:10,417 --> 00:30:12,395 I mean. 546 00:30:12,419 --> 00:30:13,657 Wow, um. 547 00:30:13,681 --> 00:30:15,528 Okay, so I'll take the job, 548 00:30:15,552 --> 00:30:16,573 and we'll figure out the next steps. 549 00:30:16,597 --> 00:30:17,966 And we'll start. - Yeah. 550 00:30:17,990 --> 00:30:19,794 Yeah, I mean I'll still be with Meyerism. 551 00:30:19,818 --> 00:30:21,839 - But you won't do the TV show? 552 00:30:21,863 --> 00:30:24,276 - Yeah, yeah, but with you at my side. 553 00:30:25,911 --> 00:30:27,889 - Is that why you're doing this? 554 00:30:27,913 --> 00:30:31,762 - No, no. No, that's not why. - Cal. 555 00:30:31,786 --> 00:30:34,025 I supported you, and I followed you 556 00:30:34,049 --> 00:30:37,420 wherever you needed to be, but... 557 00:30:37,444 --> 00:30:41,467 You won't get better unless you leave this place. 558 00:30:41,491 --> 00:30:46,603 And, um... If you don't get better, 559 00:30:46,627 --> 00:30:49,432 I can't love you. 560 00:30:51,980 --> 00:30:54,393 ♪ 561 00:30:54,417 --> 00:30:56,743 - You're wrong because I'm working on myself, 562 00:30:56,767 --> 00:30:59,007 and I'm in therapy. I'm in secular therapy. 563 00:30:59,031 --> 00:31:01,966 All right? And I'm making progress. 564 00:31:01,990 --> 00:31:04,795 - You'll never leave him. Or Meyerism, will you? 565 00:31:04,819 --> 00:31:06,449 And you know how fucked up that is? 566 00:31:06,473 --> 00:31:08,364 - No, no, but I don't need to leave Meyerism. 567 00:31:08,388 --> 00:31:09,669 I need to take it back from him, 568 00:31:09,693 --> 00:31:11,454 and that is what I'm doing. 569 00:31:11,478 --> 00:31:13,438 Okay? 570 00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:18,656 - I'm gonna take the job. 571 00:31:35,850 --> 00:31:37,200 - Empirical evidence. 572 00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:42,338 Who has read Professor Neill's article? 573 00:31:45,033 --> 00:31:46,473 Be honest. 574 00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:49,796 Great. 575 00:31:49,820 --> 00:31:52,930 We are going to unburden with any questions and concerns. 576 00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:54,627 - We don't have to do this, Hawk. 577 00:31:54,651 --> 00:31:56,521 - Yes, we do. 578 00:31:58,525 --> 00:32:01,721 Because in this Movement we do not oppose critical thinking. 579 00:32:01,745 --> 00:32:03,695 Could you hit the light, please? 580 00:32:06,011 --> 00:32:10,078 Which, by the way, is the first sign 581 00:32:10,102 --> 00:32:11,949 that you're in a cult 582 00:32:11,973 --> 00:32:14,983 according to the American Psychiatric Association. 583 00:32:16,586 --> 00:32:19,435 Monica. Do we "dishonor the family unit"? 584 00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:21,785 - Um, no. - No. 585 00:32:21,809 --> 00:32:24,614 If I recall correctly, my dad actually encouraged you 586 00:32:24,638 --> 00:32:27,548 to be loyal to your family instead of The Movement. 587 00:32:30,818 --> 00:32:33,014 Do we penalize members for leaving? 588 00:32:33,038 --> 00:32:36,321 - No. - No, Cal left, and he's back. 589 00:32:36,345 --> 00:32:40,412 My dad left, and now he's The Guardian of the Light. 590 00:32:40,436 --> 00:32:43,502 So, no. Cross that off. Not a cult. 591 00:32:43,526 --> 00:32:44,851 - Hawk. We get it. 592 00:32:44,875 --> 00:32:46,679 - No, we're doing this. 593 00:32:46,703 --> 00:32:50,074 Garth, do we put down other churches and groups? 594 00:32:50,098 --> 00:32:52,120 - No, not that I know of. - Right. 595 00:32:52,144 --> 00:32:53,773 I dated someone from another faith. 596 00:32:53,797 --> 00:32:56,646 I fucking loved someone from another faith. 597 00:32:56,670 --> 00:32:59,040 "Do you feel like something is being hidden from you?" 598 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:00,345 - No. - No. 599 00:33:00,369 --> 00:33:01,868 We are transparent. 600 00:33:01,892 --> 00:33:04,436 "Are you told not to question what is taught?" 601 00:33:04,460 --> 00:33:05,698 - No. - No, you can ask 602 00:33:05,722 --> 00:33:07,744 any question, any time. 603 00:33:07,768 --> 00:33:09,137 "Are you made to feel like a failure?" 604 00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:11,052 No. 605 00:33:11,076 --> 00:33:12,662 - "Do you feel like you have no home 606 00:33:12,686 --> 00:33:13,924 outside of The Movement?" 607 00:33:13,948 --> 00:33:15,926 - No. - Great, so you guys get it. 608 00:33:15,950 --> 00:33:19,799 Now, do you have any questions or concerns? 609 00:33:19,823 --> 00:33:21,671 No! 610 00:33:40,540 --> 00:33:44,410 - Right this way, Mr. Roberts. - Okay. All right, thank you. 611 00:33:49,940 --> 00:33:52,470 - You're right here. - Thank you. 612 00:34:11,875 --> 00:34:14,550 Look, I'm about to go on TV. I can't talk now. 613 00:34:14,574 --> 00:34:16,117 - I'm the mole. 614 00:34:16,141 --> 00:34:17,770 - What? 615 00:34:17,794 --> 00:34:19,772 - I'm the student who talked to Professor Neill. 616 00:34:19,796 --> 00:34:22,886 I took his class. I gave him information about The Movement. 617 00:34:25,106 --> 00:34:28,085 We learned about Lilith together. 618 00:34:28,109 --> 00:34:30,044 - You're telling me this now? 619 00:34:30,068 --> 00:34:32,848 - And I slept with him. - Fuck, Sarah. 620 00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:36,876 What do you want me to do with this? 621 00:34:36,900 --> 00:34:38,878 - I want you to use it. 622 00:34:38,902 --> 00:34:41,142 Do whatever you want. Use my name, I don't care. 623 00:34:41,166 --> 00:34:43,556 I want you to crush him. 624 00:34:53,221 --> 00:34:56,531 All right, everyone, we're going up in five. 625 00:35:00,620 --> 00:35:02,206 - Mr. Roberts, Professor Neill 626 00:35:02,230 --> 00:35:04,600 called Meyerism "controversial"... 627 00:35:04,624 --> 00:35:06,210 - And... and a cult. 628 00:35:06,234 --> 00:35:09,213 That's okay, Ruben, I'm not afraid of the "c" word. 629 00:35:09,237 --> 00:35:11,085 I've been a part of The Movement 630 00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:12,695 almost my whole life, 631 00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:14,218 and I've seen people come and go 632 00:35:14,242 --> 00:35:16,133 because contrary to what you might believe, 633 00:35:16,157 --> 00:35:17,656 our doors are open. 634 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,005 In fact, I myself left 635 00:35:19,029 --> 00:35:20,790 for a time, but I came back 636 00:35:20,814 --> 00:35:23,706 because I believe in Eddie Lane. 637 00:35:23,730 --> 00:35:26,839 And I can assure you, he's not the megalomaniacal monster 638 00:35:26,863 --> 00:35:28,102 you described in the article. 639 00:35:28,126 --> 00:35:29,842 He's a real person. A humble person. 640 00:35:29,866 --> 00:35:31,061 - He didn't seem like a real and humble person 641 00:35:31,085 --> 00:35:32,106 when he showed up at my house 642 00:35:32,130 --> 00:35:33,846 in the middle of the night 643 00:35:33,870 --> 00:35:35,544 and called me ignorant and physically threatened me. 644 00:35:35,568 --> 00:35:36,893 You threatened him? 645 00:35:36,917 --> 00:35:38,851 - I told him to stay away from my wife. 646 00:35:38,875 --> 00:35:40,592 - Maybe you should have said something to Cal. 647 00:35:40,616 --> 00:35:42,246 - No, he's okay. - Like I said, 648 00:35:42,270 --> 00:35:45,510 Eddie Lane is a real person with flaws and a temper. 649 00:35:45,534 --> 00:35:49,514 You must have done something to really piss him off. 650 00:35:49,538 --> 00:35:52,038 - I assure you this is not just about Eddie Lane. 651 00:35:52,062 --> 00:35:54,128 In my book, which will be out in the spring, 652 00:35:54,152 --> 00:35:55,564 I get into the history of violence 653 00:35:55,588 --> 00:35:57,043 in your movement. - Sorry, violence? 654 00:35:57,067 --> 00:35:58,828 - Yes, going all the way back to your founder. 655 00:35:58,852 --> 00:36:00,569 Something called The HC? 656 00:36:00,593 --> 00:36:02,527 As a type of autoerotic asphyxiation 657 00:36:02,551 --> 00:36:07,141 that you used to suppress dark urges... 658 00:36:07,165 --> 00:36:10,274 I don't know anything about that. 659 00:36:10,298 --> 00:36:13,277 Specifically, but it... - Here, sweetie. 660 00:36:13,301 --> 00:36:15,714 - It doesn't surprise me. 661 00:36:15,738 --> 00:36:18,543 Dr. Steven Meyer founded The Movement 662 00:36:18,567 --> 00:36:22,156 because he saw so much darkness in the world 663 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:23,896 and he wanted to find a community 664 00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:25,594 of people looking for Light. - How's he doing? 665 00:36:25,618 --> 00:36:27,726 - He's about to tear him apart. 666 00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:31,121 - Good. - So you're not doing it now? 667 00:36:31,145 --> 00:36:33,689 You've never tried it? - We're not tying each other up 668 00:36:33,713 --> 00:36:36,257 now any more than people at the church down the block 669 00:36:36,281 --> 00:36:38,868 are actually drinking the blood of their savior. 670 00:36:38,892 --> 00:36:40,043 Because... 671 00:36:42,765 --> 00:36:49,335 ♪ 672 00:36:51,731 --> 00:36:54,797 Like every great leader, Eddie has brought The Movement 673 00:36:54,821 --> 00:36:56,842 into a new generation, and we're bigger, 674 00:36:56,866 --> 00:36:59,105 more relevant than Steve ever imagined. 675 00:36:59,129 --> 00:37:01,020 Meyerism's changed as the world has changed. 676 00:37:01,044 --> 00:37:02,805 But... but... look, here's the point. 677 00:37:02,829 --> 00:37:05,373 - Eddie Lane gives me hope... - Because he's gonna 678 00:37:05,397 --> 00:37:07,375 lead you to "The Garden", just like he promised, right? 679 00:37:07,399 --> 00:37:09,203 - You are a professor of religion. 680 00:37:09,227 --> 00:37:10,682 - Mm-hmm. - So I'm sure you understand 681 00:37:10,706 --> 00:37:12,118 that most religions believe 682 00:37:12,142 --> 00:37:14,033 in some sort of afterlife. - Yes, they do, 683 00:37:14,057 --> 00:37:15,774 but they don't blindly follow some guy from Brooklyn 684 00:37:15,798 --> 00:37:17,298 into the afterlife. - Jesus wasn't 685 00:37:17,322 --> 00:37:18,995 from Brooklyn. That is true. 686 00:37:19,019 --> 00:37:21,127 Is it Brooklyn specifically that's the problem? 687 00:37:21,151 --> 00:37:22,868 Would it be easier if he were from Manhattan? 688 00:37:22,892 --> 00:37:26,959 No? What do you think happens when we die? 689 00:37:26,983 --> 00:37:28,787 - Oh, I honestly don't know. 690 00:37:28,811 --> 00:37:30,659 Nor do I think anyone should 691 00:37:30,683 --> 00:37:33,052 claim to know... - Well, I choose to believe 692 00:37:33,076 --> 00:37:34,880 in a Garden. 693 00:37:34,904 --> 00:37:38,797 That's what helps me get through my day. 694 00:37:38,821 --> 00:37:39,972 That and the belief that I'm helping 695 00:37:39,996 --> 00:37:41,713 others do the same thing. 696 00:37:41,737 --> 00:37:45,413 So if having deep faith 697 00:37:45,437 --> 00:37:47,763 in something greater than you 698 00:37:47,787 --> 00:37:50,244 makes you a cult then I guess we're a cult. 699 00:37:50,268 --> 00:37:52,681 - Yes. Yes. - We'll be back. 700 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:57,381 - Hey. 701 00:37:57,405 --> 00:37:58,817 - Hi. - Hey. 702 00:37:58,841 --> 00:38:00,166 Everything okay? 703 00:38:00,190 --> 00:38:02,125 - Yeah, yeah, just felt like being home. 704 00:38:02,149 --> 00:38:05,346 Since when do we have a TV? - Just to see Cal. 705 00:38:05,370 --> 00:38:08,131 - Here, sit down. - Are you staying the night? 706 00:38:08,155 --> 00:38:12,004 - Um, yeah, maybe. - Grandma lives in your room. 707 00:38:12,028 --> 00:38:14,288 - I will sleep on the couch. 708 00:38:16,424 --> 00:38:19,882 Welcome back. Cal, before the break, 709 00:38:19,906 --> 00:38:21,362 you called Meyerism 710 00:38:21,386 --> 00:38:23,015 a beacon of hope and light 711 00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:26,062 in today's confusing and dangerous world. 712 00:38:26,086 --> 00:38:27,846 Can you talk a little more 713 00:38:27,870 --> 00:38:31,023 about why Meyerism is more relevant now than ever? 714 00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:33,678 - Yeah, sure, sure, Ruben. 715 00:38:33,702 --> 00:38:35,463 Everybody's searching. 716 00:38:35,487 --> 00:38:38,944 It's not a comfortable notion, but I... I think we're all 717 00:38:38,968 --> 00:38:41,382 in some sort of cult. 718 00:38:41,406 --> 00:38:44,776 A job. Alcoholics Anonymous. SoulCycle. 719 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,996 A class... - So now I'm a cult leader. 720 00:38:47,020 --> 00:38:49,825 Yes, okay, of course. Education is about searching. 721 00:38:49,849 --> 00:38:53,829 But I assure you, we do not enlist students in some sort 722 00:38:53,853 --> 00:38:55,874 of, for people to sign away... - I read some of your reviews 723 00:38:55,898 --> 00:38:59,138 when I was prepping for... for this interview. 724 00:38:59,162 --> 00:39:01,880 Um, uh, bear with me. 725 00:39:01,904 --> 00:39:03,273 You're quite popular. - Thank you. 726 00:39:03,297 --> 00:39:04,492 - All your classes have waiting lists. 727 00:39:04,516 --> 00:39:06,276 - Okay, that's great. - Um... 728 00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:09,018 Right. Oh, "Professor Neill is brilliant, 729 00:39:09,042 --> 00:39:11,281 brilliant, and he knows it." 730 00:39:11,305 --> 00:39:14,458 "So smart, so hot." 731 00:39:14,482 --> 00:39:16,242 "His class will change your life." 732 00:39:16,266 --> 00:39:17,766 Oh, yeah, here's one. 733 00:39:17,790 --> 00:39:19,463 Um "Professor Neill has 734 00:39:19,487 --> 00:39:21,247 a 'cult following' on campus." - Wait, seriously, you keep 735 00:39:21,271 --> 00:39:22,901 trying to make this point. This is ridiculous. 736 00:39:22,925 --> 00:39:24,990 We do not ask students to sign 737 00:39:25,014 --> 00:39:26,427 away their basic human rights in order 738 00:39:26,451 --> 00:39:28,298 to take a class, so... - Okay, one more. 739 00:39:28,322 --> 00:39:29,952 Uh... 740 00:39:29,976 --> 00:39:32,824 "Professor Neill is super dreamy. He's a PILF." 741 00:39:32,848 --> 00:39:34,913 P-I-L-F. What's a PILF? - I honestly don't know. 742 00:39:34,937 --> 00:39:36,741 I don't read these comments. I don't care. 743 00:39:36,765 --> 00:39:39,527 - But you did "eff" a student, right? 744 00:39:42,205 --> 00:39:44,836 - Any chance you had a sexual relationship 745 00:39:44,860 --> 00:39:47,448 with the student you... you used 746 00:39:47,472 --> 00:39:51,321 for a source in your article? 747 00:39:51,345 --> 00:39:52,801 - Of course not. That would be unethical. 748 00:39:52,825 --> 00:39:54,411 - Right, right. 749 00:39:54,435 --> 00:39:58,197 Because that's, in fact, what cult leaders do, right? 750 00:39:58,221 --> 00:40:00,417 They exploit people who are vulnerable, 751 00:40:00,441 --> 00:40:05,379 maybe just lost a parent or are going through a divorce. 752 00:40:05,403 --> 00:40:07,772 You're writing a book, right? 753 00:40:07,796 --> 00:40:09,470 To spread your gospel, hoping to publish it this spring 754 00:40:09,494 --> 00:40:10,993 I think you said. 755 00:40:11,017 --> 00:40:12,560 I don't know, it just sounds like 756 00:40:12,584 --> 00:40:15,284 you're a little bit of a cult leader yourself, no? 757 00:40:16,979 --> 00:40:18,827 - Very thought-provoking, Mr. Roberts. 758 00:40:18,851 --> 00:40:20,306 Thank you. 759 00:40:22,420 --> 00:40:24,485 - Yes. 760 00:40:24,509 --> 00:40:26,400 - Excuse me. 761 00:40:29,470 --> 00:40:32,971 ♪ 762 00:40:32,995 --> 00:40:34,495 There's a TV in our house. 763 00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:37,039 - Thanks again. - Oh, hey, thank you, Ruben. 764 00:40:39,175 --> 00:40:41,023 - I did care about her. 765 00:40:41,047 --> 00:40:42,677 I do. 766 00:40:42,701 --> 00:40:43,982 Tell her I miss her and hope she's okay. 767 00:40:44,006 --> 00:40:45,826 - Yeah, she's fine. 768 00:40:47,923 --> 00:40:50,143 - I can take that for you. - Oh, thank you very much. 769 00:41:30,879 --> 00:41:37,969 ♪ 770 00:41:43,588 --> 00:41:45,609 - Eddie. Eddie. 771 00:41:46,852 --> 00:41:49,613 - Eddie. Stop. 772 00:41:49,637 --> 00:41:51,247 - Fuck him! 773 00:41:54,860 --> 00:41:56,838 - It's okay. 774 00:41:56,862 --> 00:41:59,667 It's okay. Your dad just needs a minute, okay? 775 00:41:59,691 --> 00:42:06,741 ♪ 776 00:42:21,234 --> 00:42:23,544 We need to cleanse. 777 00:42:26,065 --> 00:42:28,130 Okay, we need to purge 778 00:42:28,154 --> 00:42:31,263 this Movement of darkness. 779 00:42:31,287 --> 00:42:34,547 Of Steve. - How? 780 00:42:40,601 --> 00:42:42,691 - We tell everyone. 781 00:44:42,418 --> 00:44:44,570 - Hey, uh, sorry to show up out of the blue like this. 782 00:44:44,594 --> 00:44:47,124 - No, no, it's okay. Come on in. 783 00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,249 Hey, uh, sit down, sit down. 784 00:44:58,260 --> 00:45:00,891 Can I get you some coffee? 785 00:45:00,915 --> 00:45:04,155 - Uh, no. - Where... are Mary and Forest? 786 00:45:04,179 --> 00:45:07,709 - Uh, she's, um... We separated. 787 00:45:09,707 --> 00:45:12,927 - I am so sorry, Cal. 788 00:45:17,062 --> 00:45:18,474 - Uh... 789 00:45:18,498 --> 00:45:21,718 Cal, if there's anything that I can do? 790 00:45:25,461 --> 00:45:29,006 Um, uh, Cal you were... 791 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:32,250 You were great last night. - Thank you. 792 00:45:34,470 --> 00:45:37,972 - We just wanted to come here to 793 00:45:37,996 --> 00:45:40,975 tell you that, uh... 794 00:45:40,999 --> 00:45:45,283 That I'm going to tell the truth. 795 00:45:45,307 --> 00:45:48,504 The history of The Movement needs to be rewritten. 796 00:45:48,528 --> 00:45:52,029 Steve needs to be written out. 797 00:45:52,053 --> 00:45:54,379 Revelation. - Revelation? 798 00:45:54,403 --> 00:45:56,599 - The new book that I will write. 799 00:45:56,623 --> 00:46:01,386 That tells the real truth. 800 00:46:01,410 --> 00:46:03,693 - Right, but I just went on that show... 801 00:46:03,717 --> 00:46:05,564 - No, no, look, I know... 802 00:46:05,588 --> 00:46:09,090 I know, and that's great for the IS, 803 00:46:09,114 --> 00:46:11,353 the non-believers, but... 804 00:46:11,377 --> 00:46:15,183 For those of us who believe, 805 00:46:15,207 --> 00:46:17,663 it's not good enough. - Sorry, what is this? 806 00:46:17,687 --> 00:46:21,363 - It's time for us to face all of it, Cal. 807 00:46:21,387 --> 00:46:24,018 We have to. 808 00:46:24,042 --> 00:46:25,671 The damage, the pain, 809 00:46:25,695 --> 00:46:29,545 the hurt inflicted by that man. 810 00:46:29,569 --> 00:46:33,331 It's destroying you. It made you destroy a life. 811 00:46:33,355 --> 00:46:35,681 - We'll lose everyone. 812 00:46:35,705 --> 00:46:39,076 You know we're not the Catholic fucking Church. 813 00:46:39,100 --> 00:46:43,298 - No, we're not, which is why we need to do this. 814 00:46:43,322 --> 00:46:45,691 There could be others like you. 815 00:46:45,715 --> 00:46:47,345 - No, there aren't. 816 00:46:47,369 --> 00:46:49,521 - We don't know that. - No, I can't. I can't. 817 00:46:49,545 --> 00:46:54,526 Um... I can't let you do that. 818 00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:56,224 It took me thirty years to be able to tell you. 819 00:46:56,248 --> 00:46:58,008 I'm not ready. The people aren't ready. 820 00:46:58,032 --> 00:47:00,706 - They deserve to know. - I will not use your name. 821 00:47:00,730 --> 00:47:03,753 I will just say that Steve betrayed the ones 822 00:47:03,777 --> 00:47:06,147 that considered him a father. 823 00:47:06,171 --> 00:47:09,411 Cal, he stole The Ladder from a patient... 824 00:47:09,435 --> 00:47:11,369 - I can't let you do that. I won't let you do that. 825 00:47:11,393 --> 00:47:13,502 - This is not about you, Cal. 826 00:47:13,526 --> 00:47:15,504 Okay? This is about people... - No. You owe me. 827 00:47:15,528 --> 00:47:17,288 Right? 'Cause I saved your fucking life. 828 00:47:17,312 --> 00:47:19,638 - This is something that you will never understand, 829 00:47:19,662 --> 00:47:21,510 this is why you could never lead. 830 00:47:21,534 --> 00:47:23,599 - Look, The Movement won't survive. 831 00:47:23,623 --> 00:47:25,557 - Yes, it will. 832 00:47:25,581 --> 00:47:28,517 They are not here for Steve. 833 00:47:28,541 --> 00:47:30,475 They are here for me. 834 00:47:30,499 --> 00:47:34,218 - Right. Right, but I've given up everything. 835 00:47:34,242 --> 00:47:36,394 Like my family. 836 00:47:36,418 --> 00:47:40,485 You know, I... I had my son Embraced. 837 00:47:40,509 --> 00:47:43,837 - And I have a duty 838 00:47:43,861 --> 00:47:48,102 to live up to that Embrace. 839 00:47:48,126 --> 00:47:53,629 To protect him and every other child. 840 00:47:53,653 --> 00:47:58,443 And the only way to do that is to be transparent. 841 00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:03,595 Look, Revelation 842 00:48:03,619 --> 00:48:07,773 next week, you can tell me how you want to do it, or... 843 00:48:07,797 --> 00:48:10,254 I will do it my way. 844 00:48:13,281 --> 00:48:21,281 ♪ Ooh 845 00:48:25,641 --> 00:48:33,625 ♪ My Adeline ♪ 846 00:48:33,649 --> 00:48:41,649 ♪ Ooh ♪ Ooh ♪ 847 00:48:46,836 --> 00:48:54,836 ♪ Down ♪ In Tasmania ♪ 848 00:48:57,847 --> 00:49:03,481 - I, um... I ended Bali. 849 00:49:03,505 --> 00:49:05,527 - Why would you do that? 850 00:49:05,551 --> 00:49:09,879 ♪ 851 00:49:09,903 --> 00:49:11,823 Did Eddie ask you to? - No. 852 00:49:14,821 --> 00:49:17,321 He didn't want me to. 853 00:49:17,345 --> 00:49:20,672 - Sweetheart, this... 854 00:49:22,524 --> 00:49:23,632 It's gonna be all right. 855 00:49:25,484 --> 00:49:27,418 It's not. - I saw it. 856 00:49:27,442 --> 00:49:31,422 It is beyond our power to stop at this point. 857 00:49:31,446 --> 00:49:33,381 Okay? 858 00:49:33,405 --> 00:49:36,558 - I just want it to be over. - And it will be. 859 00:49:36,582 --> 00:49:39,474 It will be soon. 860 00:49:39,498 --> 00:49:47,498 ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline ♪ 861 00:49:57,385 --> 00:50:03,628 ♪ I watch your morning swim again ♪ 862 00:50:03,652 --> 00:50:11,652 ♪ Ooh ♪ Cold from the blue sky ♪ 863 00:50:24,325 --> 00:50:29,306 ♪ Strokes from passing mopeds ♪ 864 00:50:29,330 --> 00:50:36,574 ♪ My sweet Adeline ♪ 865 00:50:36,598 --> 00:50:44,598 ♪ Ooh ♪ My Adeline, I wish you well ♪ 866 00:50:47,609 --> 00:50:55,609 ♪ My Adeline ♪ I wish you well ♪ 867 00:50:56,792 --> 00:51:03,601 ♪ I wish you well ♪ My Adeline 868 00:51:03,625 --> 00:51:08,852 ♪ I wish you well ♪ I wish you well