1 00:00:01,251 --> 00:00:04,129 Hello, I am Dave Filoni, Executive Producer... 2 00:00:04,462 --> 00:00:06,089 of Star Wars Rebels. 3 00:00:06,173 --> 00:00:10,468 I am going to be talking about "Heroes of Mandalore: Part 1." 4 00:00:10,886 --> 00:00:12,553 I remember starting work on this episode, 5 00:00:12,637 --> 00:00:15,681 and I was actually in London at the time 6 00:00:15,765 --> 00:00:17,767 when I was working out this storyboard. 7 00:00:17,976 --> 00:00:21,771 I believe I was visiting the set of Episode 8... 8 00:00:22,314 --> 00:00:26,984 and in between takes and shoots, 9 00:00:27,068 --> 00:00:31,030 I was over in our Lucasfilm HQ 10 00:00:31,114 --> 00:00:36,119 doing these storyboards and sending them back to California. 11 00:00:36,703 --> 00:00:40,248 And I was actually talking, 12 00:00:40,332 --> 00:00:43,334 via Skype and whatnot, 13 00:00:43,418 --> 00:00:46,004 with the team back on Rebels. 14 00:00:47,047 --> 00:00:48,631 Uh, so that was kind of an interesting thing. 15 00:00:48,715 --> 00:00:52,510 It was very inspiring to be over there and watch Rian work. 16 00:00:54,596 --> 00:00:56,180 I thought it was really interesting to see. 17 00:00:56,264 --> 00:01:00,434 It's been very interesting to see these other directors working and then, 18 00:01:00,518 --> 00:01:03,813 you know, be inspired and challenged to do better. 19 00:01:04,231 --> 00:01:08,068 This episode arc really was about... 20 00:01:08,443 --> 00:01:12,906 resolving, uh, Sabine's family situation, 21 00:01:13,198 --> 00:01:14,658 saving her father... 22 00:01:15,075 --> 00:01:17,702 getting her family back together... 23 00:01:18,411 --> 00:01:21,247 so that she would have more stable ground 24 00:01:21,331 --> 00:01:25,126 to go back and be with her other family, the rebels. 25 00:01:25,919 --> 00:01:29,672 So, I never thought, when we began Rebels, 26 00:01:29,756 --> 00:01:31,256 that we would be on Mandalore. 27 00:01:31,466 --> 00:01:33,843 I thought we had left all of that behind... 28 00:01:34,427 --> 00:01:37,555 on The Clone Wars, but here we were. 29 00:01:39,474 --> 00:01:43,520 And, you know, it's a challenge because this battle... 30 00:01:44,187 --> 00:01:47,607 in the end, you always feel like it could be two, three times 31 00:01:47,691 --> 00:01:50,860 as big as it's represented in what we were able to shoot. 32 00:01:50,944 --> 00:01:52,028 As big as it's represented in what we were able to shoot. 33 00:01:52,112 --> 00:01:54,762 In Clone Wars, it would have been much bigger. Here... 34 00:01:55,448 --> 00:01:57,366 I have to be very economical 35 00:01:57,450 --> 00:02:00,411 with how many stormtroopers I have in a scene, 36 00:02:00,495 --> 00:02:03,080 how we spread the Mandalorians out 37 00:02:03,164 --> 00:02:06,209 to make this feel like a bigger combat. 38 00:02:07,502 --> 00:02:11,505 But it is a series of skirmishes that you feel is building towards something 39 00:02:11,589 --> 00:02:13,883 a lot bigger later on. 40 00:02:14,551 --> 00:02:19,513 Jetpack stormtroopers versus any type of Mandalorians or Jedis, 41 00:02:19,597 --> 00:02:21,807 not much of a competition. 42 00:02:21,891 --> 00:02:25,394 But it's interesting to see it happen, 43 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:28,356 showing Sabine and all of her action prowess. 44 00:02:29,858 --> 00:02:32,068 Again, that's something you see throughout Season 4, 45 00:02:32,152 --> 00:02:36,948 and something that we evolve her into being a character 46 00:02:37,032 --> 00:02:41,118 that isn't just of brawn and might and skill with action, 47 00:02:41,202 --> 00:02:43,580 but also of her mind throughout the season. 48 00:02:44,581 --> 00:02:46,624 And then you have to find different gags. 49 00:02:46,708 --> 00:02:52,004 After 12 years, I've done a lot of different gags in Star Wars, 50 00:02:52,088 --> 00:02:54,382 visual gags, 51 00:02:54,466 --> 00:02:57,343 you know, dialogue gags, 52 00:02:57,427 --> 00:02:59,762 to differing degrees of success. 53 00:02:59,846 --> 00:03:01,555 Sometimes it turns out, 54 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,017 sometimes, like, well, I liked it more in my head, 55 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:08,521 but, you know, you try to play some comedy against, uh, 56 00:03:08,605 --> 00:03:10,398 whatever else you got going on. 57 00:03:11,441 --> 00:03:15,569 I like these, I mean, despite them being no match for Mandalorians, 58 00:03:15,653 --> 00:03:18,239 the jetpack troopers certainly look cool. 59 00:03:18,323 --> 00:03:21,076 It's always good to have new troopers and... 60 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,454 Gar Saxon's brother Tiber here was interesting 61 00:03:25,538 --> 00:03:29,417 in that he's someone that's really adopted the Imperials' ways. 62 00:03:29,834 --> 00:03:32,586 He's kind of a, really, a massive traitor 63 00:03:32,670 --> 00:03:35,381 to everything Mandalore at the end of the day 64 00:03:35,465 --> 00:03:38,176 because he is given over to wanting his own power. 65 00:03:38,843 --> 00:03:42,805 He's not as interested in preserving his history, 66 00:03:42,889 --> 00:03:46,267 preserving his house, those things. 67 00:03:46,351 --> 00:03:48,519 He's more interested in absolute power. 68 00:03:48,603 --> 00:03:52,607 And again, it's another version of all power is corrupting... 69 00:03:54,484 --> 00:03:57,028 even for Mandalorians, who are these warriors. 70 00:03:57,112 --> 00:04:01,449 At least true Mandalorians have a degree of honor to them 71 00:04:01,533 --> 00:04:03,618 in the way they fight. 72 00:04:04,035 --> 00:04:07,455 They have a sense of family, obviously. 73 00:04:07,539 --> 00:04:11,167 And a bit of this season was 74 00:04:11,251 --> 00:04:14,587 showing more of Mandalore, and then also breaking it down a bit. 75 00:04:14,671 --> 00:04:19,633 And starting to build an explanation for why we don't see so many 76 00:04:19,717 --> 00:04:21,677 in the original trilogy, and what were they up to. 77 00:04:21,761 --> 00:04:24,764 There was a big space there that we could occupy, 78 00:04:24,848 --> 00:04:29,101 and we'll actually be able to tell some of that story 79 00:04:29,185 --> 00:04:31,521 on Star Wars Rebels, which is very unique. 80 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:37,526 'Cause you don't, the only Mandalorian armor that you see is worn by Boba Fett 81 00:04:37,610 --> 00:04:38,944 in the original trilogy. 82 00:04:39,028 --> 00:04:41,739 So here, we have a bunch more people running around in, 83 00:04:41,823 --> 00:04:44,868 you know, almost the same time period, which is a big deal. 84 00:04:46,327 --> 00:04:50,373 Katee Sackhoff came back playing Bo-Katan, which was really thrilling. 85 00:04:50,457 --> 00:04:52,876 I thought she was excellent here. 86 00:04:53,376 --> 00:04:55,294 We were able to give her a lot more to do, 87 00:04:55,378 --> 00:04:57,964 especially dialogue-wise than her Clone Wars days. 88 00:04:58,756 --> 00:05:00,216 And she was brilliant. 89 00:05:00,300 --> 00:05:04,387 It's something bizarre 90 00:05:04,471 --> 00:05:07,139 and also wonderful to see some of these characters 91 00:05:07,223 --> 00:05:09,934 that my team and I worked with on Clone Wars, 92 00:05:10,018 --> 00:05:12,228 now appearing in Rebels. 93 00:05:12,312 --> 00:05:16,524 You didn't know if we would ever see them again, 94 00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:17,983 have scenes with them again. 95 00:05:18,067 --> 00:05:22,613 And yet here we've been very fortunate to find ways to make it work, 96 00:05:22,697 --> 00:05:25,533 ways that made sense, 97 00:05:25,617 --> 00:05:28,828 and I think the audience has enjoyed it as well, 98 00:05:28,912 --> 00:05:32,540 having these characters included in Rebels. 99 00:05:33,666 --> 00:05:37,461 It's just been an unexpected 100 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:40,715 kind of thing that happened, and this. 101 00:05:41,341 --> 00:05:42,800 What a bizarre moment. 102 00:05:42,884 --> 00:05:46,053 Again, I have Sabine looking at Bo-Katan, 103 00:05:46,137 --> 00:05:52,059 these two female Mandalorian warriors that, 104 00:05:52,143 --> 00:05:57,440 you know, I've helped put into the Star Wars universe, 105 00:05:57,524 --> 00:06:01,277 and, man, I don't think I ever thought that they would be 106 00:06:01,361 --> 00:06:04,611 talking to each other, let alone have this important role to play. 107 00:06:05,365 --> 00:06:09,493 This arc in some ways also is about 108 00:06:09,577 --> 00:06:14,790 this younger woman needing some support, 109 00:06:14,874 --> 00:06:18,085 and to have an older woman challenge her 110 00:06:18,169 --> 00:06:21,464 and stand up for her when it really mattered, 111 00:06:21,548 --> 00:06:26,010 to not have this combative attitude, 112 00:06:26,094 --> 00:06:27,720 but a supportive attitude. 113 00:06:28,096 --> 00:06:31,682 You know, I talk a lot, 114 00:06:31,766 --> 00:06:35,978 not just with my co-workers here, 115 00:06:36,062 --> 00:06:38,189 like Carrie Beck and Kiri Hart... 116 00:06:39,774 --> 00:06:43,444 I talk with my wife about female representation and roles and films. 117 00:06:43,528 --> 00:06:47,740 And it's... It's not something that's obvious to me at first, 118 00:06:47,824 --> 00:06:49,909 but I've come to understand 119 00:06:49,993 --> 00:06:52,411 that it's not something you see a lot in films, 120 00:06:52,495 --> 00:06:57,124 this role of, in an action movie, women supporting other women. 121 00:06:57,208 --> 00:07:03,214 You're lucky if you get one female character in a movie, 122 00:07:03,298 --> 00:07:05,598 and sometimes they're in the role of a warrior. 123 00:07:06,884 --> 00:07:09,584 But there's not a lot that makes them unique otherwise. 124 00:07:11,431 --> 00:07:14,808 And so to have multiple roles 125 00:07:14,892 --> 00:07:18,229 of female characters all portraying, 126 00:07:18,313 --> 00:07:20,648 not just their ability to wield the weapon 127 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:22,775 or to be involved in action, 128 00:07:22,859 --> 00:07:26,278 but to have a deeper sense or commitment to who they are as people, 129 00:07:26,362 --> 00:07:28,656 how they interact with other people, 130 00:07:28,740 --> 00:07:32,243 how they share screen time with other female characters. 131 00:07:32,327 --> 00:07:35,913 That you can have lengthy dialogue conversations 132 00:07:35,997 --> 00:07:40,000 and interaction between these characters 133 00:07:40,084 --> 00:07:43,087 and show growth and evolution of these characters. 134 00:07:44,589 --> 00:07:49,677 You know, I think it's becoming more the language, it's becoming more common, 135 00:07:49,761 --> 00:07:50,886 and it just needs to, 136 00:07:50,970 --> 00:07:53,180 because this is when we really start 137 00:07:53,264 --> 00:07:56,141 creating what's referred to, I think, as strong female characters, 138 00:07:56,225 --> 00:07:58,102 when they're dimensional female characters, 139 00:07:58,186 --> 00:07:59,562 when they're characters that have an arc, 140 00:07:59,646 --> 00:08:01,438 that have purpose and meaning, 141 00:08:01,522 --> 00:08:04,483 that aren't just there to be action orientated, 142 00:08:04,567 --> 00:08:07,861 they have a real story, real motivations. 143 00:08:07,945 --> 00:08:12,032 And here, a motivation to save your family, 144 00:08:12,116 --> 00:08:13,534 to bring your family back together, 145 00:08:13,618 --> 00:08:15,703 to save your father. 146 00:08:16,579 --> 00:08:20,500 You know, Sabine's mother is a very fun character to have. 147 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:24,420 She is definitely tough, 148 00:08:24,504 --> 00:08:27,047 and I wouldn't say she's independent, 149 00:08:27,131 --> 00:08:27,130 she's the matriarch of the family, she's the leader of the family. 150 00:08:27,214 --> 00:08:30,464 She's the matriarch of the family, she's the leader of the family. 151 00:08:31,052 --> 00:08:33,304 She's actually the harder edged one, 152 00:08:33,388 --> 00:08:36,432 where her father is the more artistic one. 153 00:08:36,766 --> 00:08:39,227 I don't think her father is very much the warrior. 154 00:08:40,853 --> 00:08:42,689 I think that's okay, you know. 155 00:08:43,564 --> 00:08:46,764 Again, you need a wide range of characters and character types... 156 00:08:47,235 --> 00:08:51,364 and you shouldn't have all one thing for one type of character... 157 00:08:51,864 --> 00:08:53,866 or one group of characters. 158 00:08:54,534 --> 00:08:58,329 This was an important scene because Hera and Kanan share 159 00:08:58,579 --> 00:09:03,167 such little screen time in the beginning two episodes, 160 00:09:03,251 --> 00:09:06,253 and they're very important characters, as we all know, 161 00:09:06,337 --> 00:09:08,213 later in the season to have together. 162 00:09:08,297 --> 00:09:12,927 So, we started building that here... 163 00:09:13,720 --> 00:09:16,055 where Kanan is, even now at the beginning, 164 00:09:16,139 --> 00:09:20,017 kind of alluding to a relationship between them 165 00:09:20,101 --> 00:09:23,646 more strongly than he has perhaps before. 166 00:09:23,730 --> 00:09:26,816 And Hera's still very on point, on mission. 167 00:09:27,275 --> 00:09:30,736 And only Chopper is the one that's really like, "Come on, guys, we have... 168 00:09:30,820 --> 00:09:31,987 "Is this really happening?" 169 00:09:32,071 --> 00:09:34,823 And that's just the insight to the fact that Chopper 170 00:09:34,907 --> 00:09:38,285 has seen this more than any of the other characters over the years, 171 00:09:38,369 --> 00:09:42,457 that he knows the depth of which these two have a relationship... 172 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:45,250 what the reality is between them. 173 00:09:45,334 --> 00:09:47,503 Chopper knows, he's on the in, 174 00:09:47,587 --> 00:09:49,756 but the rest of the crew not so much. 175 00:09:50,298 --> 00:09:51,841 They don't really know. 176 00:09:53,092 --> 00:09:58,097 Here we need a big action scene, action set piece, 177 00:09:58,181 --> 00:10:03,936 to really kind of kick this episode up a bit, to keep it moving. 178 00:10:04,604 --> 00:10:08,899 It was, of course, I think you're always influenced by films 179 00:10:08,983 --> 00:10:11,026 that you watch growing up, 180 00:10:11,110 --> 00:10:13,571 great sequences stick with you. 181 00:10:13,738 --> 00:10:16,865 There is an element, when I would talk to the group, I was saying, 182 00:10:16,949 --> 00:10:21,161 "Remember Indiana Jones when he's trying to steal the ark from the truck 183 00:10:21,245 --> 00:10:22,955 "and go look at that. 184 00:10:24,123 --> 00:10:28,669 "Pay attention to the way it's shot, pay attention to the timing of things." 185 00:10:29,086 --> 00:10:32,006 The editors even look at that stuff, 186 00:10:32,173 --> 00:10:33,716 and, you know, just use it as a touchstone, 187 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:39,013 as George would use many films to influence him over the years. 188 00:10:39,680 --> 00:10:43,434 And I'm lucky to have grown up, as my whole team was, 189 00:10:43,518 --> 00:10:45,769 with a bunch of great films, 190 00:10:45,853 --> 00:10:49,148 kind of a heyday of action adventure films 191 00:10:49,232 --> 00:10:51,191 done by Steven Spielberg and George Lucas, 192 00:10:51,275 --> 00:10:53,235 and Robert Zemeckis. 193 00:10:53,319 --> 00:10:58,032 And so, a lot of great references out there and influences. 194 00:10:58,574 --> 00:11:00,868 An important thing in this one is speed. 195 00:11:00,952 --> 00:11:05,497 To have the speeders constantly moving 196 00:11:05,581 --> 00:11:12,213 adds a sense of somewhat tension to the entire movement of the action sequence. 197 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:18,010 Introducing the father character here to make it very clear 198 00:11:18,094 --> 00:11:22,639 who he is and where he is in this little group of vehicles 199 00:11:22,723 --> 00:11:26,894 would be very important to keep the audience 200 00:11:26,978 --> 00:11:29,396 aware of what's going on, 201 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,232 and keep them right at the edge of... 202 00:11:32,316 --> 00:11:35,528 Are they going to make it out? Are they going to rescue him? 203 00:11:36,362 --> 00:11:39,782 So, again, a big moment for Sabine as we watch her dive into battle. 204 00:11:40,533 --> 00:11:44,244 These are some very big sets for us to do 205 00:11:44,328 --> 00:11:45,913 on Star Wars Rebels. 206 00:11:45,997 --> 00:11:48,540 A lot of real estate we're covering here. 207 00:11:48,624 --> 00:11:52,169 So we have to also at the same time be economical 208 00:11:52,253 --> 00:11:54,379 with how we're trying to technically achieve this. 209 00:11:54,463 --> 00:11:59,176 And, you know, Joel Aron, Keith Kellogg, Paul Zinnes, 210 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:02,679 these are people that have been with me for many years, 211 00:12:02,763 --> 00:12:04,599 dating back to Clone Wars. 212 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:07,768 We worked out so many sequences like this, 213 00:12:07,852 --> 00:12:10,312 but it doesn't mean they become any easier. 214 00:12:10,396 --> 00:12:12,940 Each one is challenging and different. 215 00:12:13,608 --> 00:12:16,068 You have to keep trying to do different things. 216 00:12:17,653 --> 00:12:22,491 The audience is always ever more sophisticated with what they've seen, 217 00:12:22,575 --> 00:12:23,825 what they've experienced. 218 00:12:25,202 --> 00:12:28,372 I think it's very fun to see Sabine steal this speeder bike 219 00:12:28,456 --> 00:12:29,623 and use it to shield herself. 220 00:12:29,707 --> 00:12:33,585 It's always a problem of why aren't people getting blasted? 221 00:12:33,669 --> 00:12:37,297 How do you suspend this belief that 222 00:12:37,381 --> 00:12:40,467 they should be taking her out at any moment? 223 00:12:40,551 --> 00:12:42,651 A lot of that's credited to the editors... 224 00:12:43,012 --> 00:12:47,266 keeping the cut very tight as everything is moving. 225 00:12:47,350 --> 00:12:49,142 A nice heroic moment for Kanan. 226 00:12:49,226 --> 00:12:53,647 Again, these, each moment then changes the rhythm 227 00:12:53,731 --> 00:12:56,149 and the tempo of the sequence. 228 00:12:56,233 --> 00:12:58,735 Now Kanan has entered it. 229 00:12:58,819 --> 00:13:01,739 It's a heroic moment and a turn in the battle. 230 00:13:02,949 --> 00:13:04,366 Things get a little bit better. 231 00:13:04,450 --> 00:13:06,201 There's a really intense moment 232 00:13:06,285 --> 00:13:10,080 where Chopper just knocks the heck out of a stormtrooper coming up. 233 00:13:10,164 --> 00:13:12,958 And, boy, I wasn't sure that one was going to go through, 234 00:13:13,042 --> 00:13:14,835 but yeah, I think so 'cause when it's a droid, 235 00:13:14,919 --> 00:13:17,254 people don't seem to worry so much. 236 00:13:18,673 --> 00:13:20,507 This here is fun. 237 00:13:20,591 --> 00:13:22,801 We had a lightsaber just take you right out the back. 238 00:13:22,885 --> 00:13:24,636 It would cut right through, 239 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,471 so it's a nice bit of editing there 240 00:13:26,555 --> 00:13:29,642 to have Ezra disappear up the side of the car. 241 00:13:30,226 --> 00:13:34,688 Again, everything's moving all the time. 242 00:13:34,772 --> 00:13:37,983 And cutting everything very tight, 243 00:13:38,067 --> 00:13:40,444 things being very reactive helps you out here. 244 00:13:40,861 --> 00:13:43,071 Trimming your footage down 245 00:13:43,155 --> 00:13:47,659 to keep the pace up, really, really helps. 246 00:13:47,743 --> 00:13:51,705 This fight used to be so long in its story form, 247 00:13:51,789 --> 00:13:54,666 and we just trimmed and trimmed and trimmed 248 00:13:54,750 --> 00:13:57,837 to make it hopefully as exciting as we could get it. 249 00:13:59,463 --> 00:14:02,758 And you try to put little gags in there, little verbal bits. 250 00:14:02,842 --> 00:14:04,051 Oh, here it is with Chopper. 251 00:14:04,135 --> 00:14:05,761 Watch, this is just something. 252 00:14:06,303 --> 00:14:07,804 I mean, that's... Wow. 253 00:14:07,888 --> 00:14:11,350 But it's funny 'cause it's Chopper, I guess. 254 00:14:11,434 --> 00:14:14,061 That guy's going to have a headache, though. 255 00:14:14,145 --> 00:14:15,228 But you know, there's something 256 00:14:15,312 --> 00:14:17,064 for everyone in a scene like this. 257 00:14:18,691 --> 00:14:19,858 That's always good. 258 00:14:19,942 --> 00:14:22,942 It reminds me of when Luke cuts off the front of the speeder. 259 00:14:23,946 --> 00:14:25,822 And I thought that was just a great idea. 260 00:14:25,906 --> 00:14:31,662 I think Sterling had boarding when Kanan lands on the front of the speeder bike, 261 00:14:31,746 --> 00:14:34,665 and they have a conversation. That's a nice little moment there. 262 00:14:34,749 --> 00:14:37,250 Again, we've done different speeder chases. 263 00:14:37,334 --> 00:14:40,212 What can we make to have this be different? 264 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:43,340 These guys should have opened fire. 265 00:14:43,591 --> 00:14:45,509 They're a bit foolish. I don't know why they're waiting, 266 00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:49,846 but we all know Kanan gets it later in the series, 267 00:14:49,930 --> 00:14:50,980 so I guess it's okay. 268 00:14:51,390 --> 00:14:53,016 I don't think many people could jump off 269 00:14:53,100 --> 00:14:55,350 a moving speeder like that and keep running, 270 00:14:55,644 --> 00:14:57,444 but he's a Jedi, so let's keep that. 271 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:01,317 That little shield device she has is something we put in Clone Wars. 272 00:15:03,069 --> 00:15:06,655 Just a little neat kind of gladiator kind of shield. 273 00:15:06,739 --> 00:15:07,989 It was kind of fun to do. 274 00:15:08,574 --> 00:15:11,952 This is one of my favorite little words, 275 00:15:12,119 --> 00:15:16,540 little dialogue, scenes here words, "I'm not with her, with her." 276 00:15:16,874 --> 00:15:18,125 That was a great moment. 277 00:15:19,168 --> 00:15:24,756 And I think definitely, you know, plays at Sabine and Ezra's relationship 278 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:29,428 is becoming more like a brother and sister instead of some kind of 279 00:15:29,512 --> 00:15:31,430 cliched notion that just 'cause they're two young people, 280 00:15:31,514 --> 00:15:32,431 cliched notion that just 'cause they're two young people, 281 00:15:32,515 --> 00:15:34,215 they should somehow be together... 282 00:15:34,558 --> 00:15:37,185 which was never really our intention in this show. 283 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:40,939 I think early on, it might have seemed like it was going that way, 284 00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:43,859 but we were able to steer them clear. 285 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:47,821 This sequence was something that reminded me, 286 00:15:47,905 --> 00:15:51,158 we did a similar gag actually with Mace Windu 287 00:15:51,242 --> 00:15:53,577 in Clone Wars when he's on Ryloth, 288 00:15:53,744 --> 00:15:55,787 and he does a trick somewhat like this. 289 00:15:55,871 --> 00:15:57,914 So we have some experience doing these kind of things, 290 00:15:57,998 --> 00:16:00,751 but this one really, 291 00:16:00,835 --> 00:16:03,045 you don't know if he's going to make it. 292 00:16:03,129 --> 00:16:05,923 That last jump looks like a heck of a jump. 293 00:16:06,590 --> 00:16:10,343 And I love that it's Ezra and Sabine. 294 00:16:10,427 --> 00:16:13,096 They kind of trade off saving each other 295 00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:16,349 throughout this season, which is quite a lot of fun. 296 00:16:16,433 --> 00:16:19,061 So, that turned out to be a nice moment. 297 00:16:19,145 --> 00:16:21,795 And there, I never thought I'd see that place again... 298 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,233 Sundari, the capital of Mandalore. 299 00:16:25,317 --> 00:16:28,695 That takes me back to the Satine Kryze days 300 00:16:28,779 --> 00:16:31,990 and the Darth Maul days and the Obi-Wan days of Mandalore, 301 00:16:32,074 --> 00:16:36,912 and all of this is built on top of what that continuity was, 302 00:16:36,996 --> 00:16:39,790 and you know, how this... 303 00:16:39,874 --> 00:16:41,792 How Mandalore has wound up in the situation. 304 00:16:41,876 --> 00:16:44,169 I actually did a large diagram 305 00:16:44,253 --> 00:16:46,505 that took me a bit, that mapped out the history of Mandalore, 306 00:16:46,589 --> 00:16:52,803 all the way from the Satine, young Satine, 307 00:16:52,887 --> 00:16:56,056 Obi-Wan days, all the way through now, 308 00:16:56,140 --> 00:16:57,516 just to figure out how it all worked. 309 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:00,477 But, this scene got extended. 310 00:17:00,561 --> 00:17:04,315 I thought this was originally not made a big enough deal... 311 00:17:05,191 --> 00:17:07,067 but, you know, this is one of your parents, 312 00:17:07,151 --> 00:17:08,444 this has to be a moment. 313 00:17:08,903 --> 00:17:13,490 They left under uncertain terms, 314 00:17:13,574 --> 00:17:16,243 and I wanted to feel this type of forgiveness. 315 00:17:16,327 --> 00:17:18,787 I think the surprising thing for Sabine here 316 00:17:18,871 --> 00:17:22,040 is really how accepting her father would be of her 317 00:17:22,124 --> 00:17:23,333 back into the family. 318 00:17:23,417 --> 00:17:25,836 Sometimes as a young person, you know, 319 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:30,257 you underestimate your parents' ability to forgive. 320 00:17:30,341 --> 00:17:33,802 You just see that they're angry at you, or disappointed, 321 00:17:33,886 --> 00:17:36,513 and you don't really understand that, 322 00:17:36,597 --> 00:17:39,850 you know, they are older and wiser, and that they forgive you 323 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:41,584 because ultimately they love you. 324 00:17:41,977 --> 00:17:44,604 And, you know, I know that's not everybody's experience, 325 00:17:44,688 --> 00:17:48,066 but it's what I wanted to show on this show. 326 00:17:48,150 --> 00:17:50,443 You know, I don't think that every Star Wars character 327 00:17:50,527 --> 00:17:54,740 has a bad childhood or comes from an odd orphaned place. 328 00:17:54,990 --> 00:17:57,742 Sometimes they just have misunderstandings, 329 00:17:57,826 --> 00:17:59,744 sometimes they build terrible weapons 330 00:17:59,828 --> 00:18:01,454 and almost get their people destroyed. 331 00:18:01,538 --> 00:18:03,999 But that's all part of the growing experience, 332 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:06,710 uh, as a young person in Star Wars, 333 00:18:06,794 --> 00:18:09,963 and your parents can forgive you of these things. 334 00:18:10,047 --> 00:18:13,676 So, fun to have them start talking about painting and armor. 335 00:18:15,469 --> 00:18:19,181 You know, again, to show that her father is a different kind of person 336 00:18:19,265 --> 00:18:22,415 than we've known in Star Wars, someone that's interested in art. 337 00:18:22,977 --> 00:18:25,813 And so I was kind of, it would fit well for Sabine. 338 00:18:26,981 --> 00:18:30,276 Here she still has her old hair too, her Season 3 hair... 339 00:18:30,651 --> 00:18:34,404 which was a nice thing for the cosplayers for a little bit. 340 00:18:34,488 --> 00:18:37,992 But that soon changed as her hair changed later in the season. 341 00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:41,745 This sequence, again, 342 00:18:41,829 --> 00:18:43,330 I love that helmet her mother wears, 343 00:18:43,414 --> 00:18:45,916 it's one of the cooler helmets that we did. 344 00:18:46,000 --> 00:18:48,168 I like the patterns on it, too. 345 00:18:48,877 --> 00:18:52,964 But this sequence needed more added to it. 346 00:18:53,048 --> 00:18:57,510 We actually did some retakes to add more 347 00:18:57,594 --> 00:19:01,014 stormtrooper reinforcements attacking, 348 00:19:01,098 --> 00:19:05,728 just to make this again feel like, why isn't the Empire throwing more at them? 349 00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:10,982 You know, why isn't it a bigger battle coming up? 350 00:19:11,066 --> 00:19:14,320 So we tried to make it feel like it's a larger scale thing. 351 00:19:15,654 --> 00:19:18,531 A lot of the smoke and fire also cover that 352 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,702 and buy you that there was a bigger conflict than there was. 353 00:19:23,662 --> 00:19:27,415 This was a bit of a color timing that Sean Wells 354 00:19:27,499 --> 00:19:31,211 would have done with Joel to try and give you the feeling of this 355 00:19:31,295 --> 00:19:33,505 bizarre weapon that we had never seen before. 356 00:19:33,589 --> 00:19:38,385 And we set it up there, through sound, design, 357 00:19:38,469 --> 00:19:41,819 and lighting that something's happened that we're not familiar with. 358 00:19:43,557 --> 00:19:47,310 Again, now we just want a sense of dread and foreboding, 359 00:19:47,394 --> 00:19:49,437 and this was a pretty tricky scene. 360 00:19:49,521 --> 00:19:52,524 It's pretty heavy stuff, 361 00:19:52,608 --> 00:19:56,444 but we finally learn now in the final moments, 362 00:19:56,528 --> 00:19:59,990 what was it that Sabine had done, why was she not with her family, 363 00:20:00,074 --> 00:20:01,874 why was there this big disagreement? 364 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:08,207 What was at the root of her leaving the Academy, finding Ketsu? 365 00:20:08,624 --> 00:20:11,876 How... What caused all this? 366 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,462 And we find out that it's a weapon that she had developed. 367 00:20:14,546 --> 00:20:18,049 The weapon that takes the very thing the Mandalorians pride themselves on, 368 00:20:18,133 --> 00:20:22,179 this armor and, uh, destroys it... 369 00:20:23,055 --> 00:20:25,516 makes it a vulnerability instead of a strength. 370 00:20:26,433 --> 00:20:29,228 So it's a terrible thing when you think of it that way. 371 00:20:30,062 --> 00:20:31,187 And you can see there clearly 372 00:20:31,271 --> 00:20:33,982 kind of the silhouette of a person in the burned armor. 373 00:20:34,358 --> 00:20:36,192 So the armor becomes brittle, 374 00:20:36,276 --> 00:20:39,612 but it also becomes a conductor for this electrical pulse 375 00:20:39,696 --> 00:20:43,200 which super heats and disintegrates you. 376 00:20:43,575 --> 00:20:44,725 It's a terrible weapon. 377 00:20:46,912 --> 00:20:48,913 And now Sabine has to kind of face her past. 378 00:20:48,997 --> 00:20:51,166 Not just her family, but her whole past 379 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:52,917 and the person that she was 380 00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:56,338 in order to become the person that she may yet be. 381 00:20:57,131 --> 00:21:00,592 And that is the first part of "Heroes of Mandalore."